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For some reason, I don't think these numbers are legit. Hunter has never placed so high in any other poll in the country, yet gets 40% here? What? Just doesn't make sense to me.
Either Paul or Thompson should have won (Paul for me personally, but Texas has a lot of "FredHeads") |
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If it is legit, good for him. =) |
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This was taylor made for him to win with his surrogate Townhall sponsoring the Straw Poll. I guess he couldn't buy a win here like Iowa. Only 6%? This has gotta sting for Romneybots like Hugh & Medved. Hahahaha |
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Cong. Hunter has made himself available and those who have taken the chance to hear him speak like what he says.
When we Texans quit letting the candidates treat us like no more than an ATM machine, maybe they'll start showing up. |
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Hunter is a great guy. I'm happy that R.Paul didn't win otherwise every moron would take this as a sign from Allah that he would need to reference this one win. R.Paul would be ok if we weren't at war. |
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I hope this once and for all shuts the Ron Paul people up for good! |
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I could be mistaken, but I believe that Texas is Paul's stomping grounds. If so, I'd have to say this is, at minimum, a disappointment for the Paul campaign. Still having a hard time translating online support into on the ground support.
Congratulations are in order for Hunter, though the Texas straw poll isn't really an event of great significance. I can't imagine many of the candidates put a lot of time and effort into this thing. |
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but I'm glad to see Hunter did so well.
Funny, just this morning on one of the threads I said that I wasn't ready to write off Hunter.
Glad to see that Hunter and Thompson did so well. Keep in mind though, Thompson isn't YET a declared candidate, and hasn't been campaigning like the rest. Not bad, huh??
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The Texas Straw Poll is a vote of GOP precinct chairmen and their spouses. GOP precinct chairmen are automatic delegates to the GOP State Convention. I know, I was one.
Party functionaries are supporters of neo-cons like George Bush and Gov Rick Perry. Ron Paul did well considering that this was a closed vote.
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Let me see hunter places no where nationally anywhere, but pops up on top in texas. His one time showing here does not platform him to be a good candidate to support or to even have a chance at becoming president. I question whether the Republican GOP wants to actually try and win the presidental race. They will lose alot of support and in fact are only competive (at this point) because of Ron Paul and his injection of new life. We lost half of the Congress and are going to lose this presidential race if we dont step up and stop fighting each other. Ron Paul has won and placed in the top 3 in all kinds of straw polls around the country. He appeals to a broad variety of people from both parties which makes him prime to compete against the Democrates. Fred thompson getting the votes is so silly. Why would anyone vote for a man who was involved with Nixon stuff which could mean he very vulnerable. He hasnt even came out to declare himself an actual candidate. In fact he announced that he was not running anymore b/c of Iowa straw poll. Our people need better education and better information on the issues. I pray this country will wake up and see what kind of mess is around us and start researching the topics on the web(not our television sets and pandering candidates) God Bless America!
Again Im just so disappointed at the direction of this party and some peoples desire to lose the presidency for 2008 by not seeing a viable candidate to tackle the Democrates. Watch out Obama and Hillary are already taking Republican votes you better see why Ron Paul is your last Hope for America. Sorry but my passion is to win this 2008 election and to make sure its a Republican. We must all work together towards a common viable candidate. Ron Paul places third and shows he is a viable candidate and should get the GOP nomination. |
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pointless.
Nothing against Texas, but it just didn't matter. You know if a straw poll ho' like Romney (he's my guy) didn't show, it didn't matter.
Texas isn't a caucus state and its primary isn't until March (when it's all over but the shoutin), so you'll have to forgive the leaders for not making an appearance.
Regarding Paul not winning, despite his vociferous minions. Lol, seems his flag-wavers can never vote in these straw polls. Maybe that's because they are actually REGISTERED DEMOCRATS and just trying to much things up?
Lol, I'll score that a 10.0 on the Obvious Meter.
Anyway, congrats to Duncan (Who?). Mayb he can now ride this wave to a win under the new "No-Chance-In-Hell" Party.
P.S., My man Mitt is now leading polls in 4 of the 5 first Primary states (IOWA, NH, NEVADA and MICHIGAN). Unstoppable. |
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It's great to see such a high quality political leader as Duncan Hunter get a foothold somewhere. What a remarkable man of intelligence, character and courage he is.
If reporters, columnists and radio talk show hosts would let the public know about the gutsy California congressman, I think the moderates and conservatives would love him. Liberals wouldn't love him, but they would at least respect his integrity.
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Of Thompson you wrote: "Why would anyone vote for a man who was involved with Nixon stuff which could mean he very vulnerable."
Are you still in high school? |
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Thompson was appointed minority counsel for the hearings surrounding the Watergate scandal.[16] He was responsible for Sen. Baker asking one of the questions that is said to have led directly to the downfall of President Richard Nixon—"What did the President know, and when did he know it?"[17] Also, Thompson himself asked former White House aide Alexander Butterfield, at the public committee hearing, about listening devices in the White House, although the committee already knew the answer to that question because Butterfield had earlier been interviewed by Senate investigators in closed session.[16][14]
Nixon was reportedly angry that Thompson had been selected as minority counsel to the Senate Watergate committee; Nixon believed the young Thompson was not skilled enough to interrogate unfriendly witnesses, and was apt to be outfoxed by committee Democrats.[18] According to historian Stanley Kutler, Fred Thompson and Howard Baker "carried water for the White House, but I have to give them credit — they were watching out for their interests, too....They weren't going to mindlessly go down the tubes" for Nixon.[18]
In response to renewed interest in this matter, Thompson says "I'm glad all of this has finally caused someone to read my Watergate book, even though it's taken them over thirty years."[19]
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Once we go broke in the business of world policing Iraq, Afganistan, and soon Iran you war hawks will wish you had listened to Ron Paul.
There is a specific reason the .7 dollar equalled 1 Euro in 2000 and currently 1.4 dollar equals 1 Euro.
We are spending ourselves into foreign ownership (China, Japan, Saudi Arabia are our favorite lenders to the Fed), and if Duncan Hunter (and supporters of war hawking) understood this in respect to dollar hegemony YOU'D WISE UP TO THE TRUTH ABOUT THIS WAR ON TERROR.
We will be no-pot-to-pee-in broke and those who own us will be able to subjugate (kill if they want to) us, unless we make some massive economic reforms.
Ron Paul is willing, is America? |
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http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2007/07/04/not_all_would_put_a_heroic_sheen_on_thompsons_watergate_role/
The choice of Thompson irked Samuel Dash , the Democratic chief counsel on the committee, who preferred that a Democrat be allowed to ask the question. "I personally resented it and felt cheated," Dash wrote in his memoirs. But he said he felt he had "no choice but to let Fred Thompson develop the Butterfield material" because the question initially had been posed by Sanders, a Republican staffer.
When Dash told Thompson on the day of the hearing that he had agreed to let Thompson ask the question that would change US history, Thompson replied: "That's right generous of you, Sam."
So it was, at the hearing, that Thompson leapt into the national spotlight:
"Are you aware of the installation of any listening devices in the Oval Office of the president?" he asked Butterfield during the national televised hearings.
"I was aware of listening devices, yes, sir," Butterfield responded.
Even as he quizzed Butterfield during the hearing, Thompson said later, he believed the tapes would exonerate Nixon, so he saw no problem in pressing for their release. It was after Thompson heard Nixon incriminate himself on the tapes that Thompson finally decided that Nixon was a crook -- and stopped be ing a Nixon apologist.
"Looking back, I wonder how I could have failed to realize at once . . . the significance of the tapes," Thompson wrote. "I realized that I would probably be thinking about the implications of Watergate for the rest of my life."
Brian read a little because I dont think your realize even thompson is aware of how Watergate would effect him. |
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Dont take it personally. Read his book or some articles. Look I was only trying to make the point he is going to get blitz from the democrates. He has a very colorful past and its not a good idea to support someone who is so vulnerable. Im not against you or any other but Im trying to show people if we want to win it we have to support strong viable candidates who can be torn down so easily. In addition they have to draw alot of support from NoN-Republicans to stand a chance at beating Democrates like Hillary. Lets work together and not against each other. |
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Ron Paul is not a typical Texas Republican. The Party faithful who vote elected Bush in the last two Presidential elections and Ron Paul did not garner much support from the party.
If this election were held by who could rally one third of who sits on the fence of the right and left and take two thirds of the independents, libertarians and others; he would win in a landslide.
Today Ron is getting his message through to the people of the United States. Who in the past have voted for the Red and replaced the Blue and then the Blue gets in and are like the Republican they replaced, and sadly nothing changes. And doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results is a definition of insanity.
Our Constitution is being stripped bare! Reid said "we can go around that." Referring to a remark about the illegal immigration reform bill. George Bush said "That archaic piece of paper" Referring to the Constitution.
Most people feel that it is the end time of the Republic and are the architects of the taking of our liberties.(Col House of Texas)* Thank God an honest man like our Dr. Paul could drive more than two hundred of these types of people to vote for him. The MSN black balling his candidacy and taking cheap shots at him, while the patriotic citizens of the Republic want their ineilienable rights back! Madam!
Ron Paul means what he says and says what he means, not like the word of Art players that write laws you need a lawyer to understand most of their Public Policy. Elitists pundits in the House and Senate ladden bills with earmarks which are put in the dead of night and behind closed doors so the public cannot know of their underhanded treachery, before a vote on something that may not be in the same contention as the earmark.
Dr. Paul is contagious who knows who might show up at the Republican convention? "Maybe Real Conservatives!"
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Ok, I think Thomsposn is a nice guy. He speaks and writes well and he is fine as far as b-list actors go, but is he QUALIFIED to be President?
Let's ask:
1. Has he ever governed a major city or a state?
No.
2. Has he ever overseen a multi-billion dollar budget?
No.
3. Has he ever authored any major legislation that passed into law?
No.
4. Has he been a leader in business? A CEO? A CFO? A National Sales Manager even?
No.
5. Has he ever had a job where the "buck stops here"?
No.
6. Has he ever vetoed a law created by a hostile legislature?
No.
7. Has he ever chosen a cabinet?
No.
But he is a nice guy and he does speak well.
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was nothing more than a get together for Texas good old boys.
Real conservatives need not attend. A bunch of globalist warmongers, who like to grow government as big as possible and who like to practice continual war to feed the corporate coffers.
Ron Paul need not apply or attend these kinds of snow jobs.
Take your party back, people, for true and actual conservatism. Do it for your country, and your country will be forever grateful. |
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Sam writes:
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"...Mary K. Ham might be Bill Clinton's type of girl if you know what I mean."
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Dude, that's uncalled for. She's a woman, and should be treated with respect, no matter how much you disagree with her.
I disagree with her, too, because I don't believe she and TH are true conservatives. They're neocons who back the idiot liberal BushCo.
But try to be kind to women of all political stripes, Sam, it's only the stand up type of thing to do.
Take your party back, people. From the neocons and CINOs and globalists that run it (and this website) today.
Paul or Hunter are the only ways to go. If you nominate a CINO (Rudy, Mitt and Fred), then you're dooming the Republican Party forever in this country.
This is our last shot from the public to get conservative values instilled in this country's governance. Due to changing demographics, if we elect a CINO, then the party will never again be a beacon and a hammer for conservatism. It will be liberal-lite, with these kinds of people running things from the neighborhood and precinct level on up to Congress.
Do it for your country. Don't let TH'ers sway you to vote for a globalist liberal warmonger, because that's not how conservatives roll. |
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http://www.townhall.com/blog/g/ffdb813f-dbc4-43f1-aa31-60c8988cced4?comments=true#comments
TX Straw Poll Analysis
Posted by: Matt Lewis at 5:46 PM
crescen7 writes: Saturday, September, 01, 2007 8:46 PM
Paul Bots.... Listen up
"......Truth is, much of Pauls newly found support cares not about his strict Constitutionalism, limited Government, pro gun rights, positions - but from a pack of idiotic conspiracy nuts who love to hear him call for immediate withdrawl from Iraq....."
I would STRONGLY urge everyone to read the ENTIRE post!!!
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Boomshak, the question is, do we prefer a mainstream conservative like Fred with marginal executive experience (Thompson did run his own law firm) or a moderate like Mitt with quite a bit of executive leadership? Or maybe a liberal like Rudy with a little more executive experience than Fred?
This will be the choice ahead for GOP voters. Personally, I prefer the conservative over the moderate and certainly over the liberal regardless of experience.
If Fred gets the GOP nomination and Hillary get the Dem nod then it will be the battle of the marginally experienced Senators (both two termers if you count Hillary's current term as anything).
This, to me, is the dream match. Both Hillary and Fred were part of the Watergate hearings, both are lawyers, both from the south, both Senators. Historically, Senators rarely move from the Senate directly to the White House so that is a strike against Hillary. Also, Hillary is notoriously corrupt while Fred made his name as a corruption fighting prosecutor in Tennessee.
The two have some things in common but also are a study in contrasts.
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I can only spot two:
1) Liberals want to handHOLD a large segment of our population while neocons want to handCUFF that same segment.
2) Liberals want to 'waste time with diplomacy' as their main foreign policy tool while neocons want to use the barrels of guns (guns ironically held by the children of the aforementioned segment) as their primary forign policy tool.
3) Liberals want to tax rich Americans to pay for their programs NOW while neocons want to debt-burden their grandchildren to pay for their programs LATER.
I'm still looking for other differences, but they're hard to spot.
The fact that a Reagan Conservative and his supporters get ridiculed for participating in Texas politics now just goes to show how far we've fallen. |
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think it means auminer.
Neoconservatism is simply a branch of conservatism that distinguishes itself from paleoconservatism by it desire to export democracy followed by nation-building.
The rest of your analysis needs some supporting arguments in order to be worth discussing. For example, you seem to be claiming that our military are the children of liberals. Care to elaborate? |
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Hunter hasn't a prayer of winning anything, much less the Republican nomination.
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Liberals are constantly coining new terms and inventing conspiracies and boogeymen.
As a lifelong conservative, I have never met a "neocon" nor do I know what one is.
It is yet another political unicorn. |
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Hunter is a great guy. I'm happy that R.Paul didn't win otherwise every moron would take this as a sign from Allah that he would need to reference this one win. R.Paul would be ok if we weren't at war. |
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We aren't hearing much from our Socialist-run media and press about Hunter because they don't want his message to get out! They know Duncan is the only viable candidate to beat Hillary and Obama: he's the only one whose values are consistent with the historical Republican Party of Abraham Lincoln and the only candidate for the Silent Majority whose silence and apathy these past several elections has helped divide the Republican Party. They stood by and let it be integrated by Socialists who know the only way they can gain control over our Government is by integrating our party also, to gain a majority vote! Since my Mormon US Senator has time after time voted on behalf of the political agenda of his Socialist buddies, I'd never vote for another Mormon! Republicans are falling by the wayside because of the integration of our political party by Socialists and others. The only way to get our party back is investigate all candidates thoroughly, and not give them a cent unless their voting record and moral values matches what comes out of their mouths! Duncan is the only one running who is who he says he is! His voting record proves his stance and he's the only one with ideas to change things instead of just spewing rhetoric! |
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Having formerly lived in Ron Paul's district in TX, and having met him in person about 15 yrs. ago in his office, and talking to him there, I would not vote for him to be dog catcher! |
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Having had a Mormon (Gordon Smith) for my US Senator these past 6 yrs., here in OR, and having seen how he repeatedly votes in favor of the political agenda of the Socialist Democrats, there's no way I'd ever again vote for another Mormom!
For the uneducated who've bought into the lie that "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints" supposedly is a "christian" faith; it's not: it's a religious cult! If you don't believe me, then go inside any Christian book store--in the "religious cult" section--and you'll find books "How to witness to Mormons" sitting right next to the books "How to witness to Jehovah Witnesses", next to the "How to witness" books for the other religious cults.
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Congratulations Duncan Hunter!!
He is the only truew conservative in the race. He is a man of integrity and wisdom. He understands the threats to our nation (Illegal immigration, Iraq, Iran, China, N. Korea) and will do what is needed to keep America great. He is fiscally and socially very conservative and you can find where he stands on all major and controversial issues in detail on his web site http://www.gohunter08.com
Unlike Ron Paul, Hunter understands what defeat in Iraq would mean to America. |
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WHO has lead the Conservative life?
Here is the comparison I am seeing between Fred and Mitt:
Fred has almost NO experience necessary to be the nation's chief executive, but he always been anti-abortion.
Mitt has ALL of the experience necessary to be the nation's chief executive, but he used to be pro-choice.
"So I'm voting for Fred!"
Do you see how silly that sounds? We have had pro-life conservative Presidents for the vast majority of the last 30 years, but is abortion illegal? Has Roe v. Wade been overturned?
No.
Yet you base your entire vote on something that hasn't made ANY difference at all in the last 30 years - but you ignore (executive leadership experience) what has made a huge difference every day?
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BTW Hunter is a former Vietnam vet with the Army Rangers and his son is currently serving his 2nd tour in Iraq in the Marine Corps (while running for the congressional seat his father is vacating).
Hunter is a LEADER not a poll watcher, finger in the wind, politician. |
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still alive and well in America.
Do you also think the Jews deserved what they got in WWII?
Your Mormon Congressman is a liberal. Romey is a Mormon, therefore Romney is a liberal.
Sorry, look up "post hoc" arguments and see what it says, because you just made one bigtime. |
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Texans understand that our Republic is on the line, the actions of the next president will decide if we remain a sovereign nation. They have been on the front line of the illegal alien inundation and know we must build a fence and enforce our laws. Duncan Hunter is the man to do just that.
Conservatives can nominate a conservative. All it takes is not acting like sheep and getting herded into nominating a northeast liberal. 49% will never vote for Hillary, only 60% voted last time. Turnout was the difference. Give Americans a chance to vote for someone who WILL secure the border and watch turnout soar. Americans want their government to fulfill its most basic responsibility.
The primary responsibility of the U.S. government is to protect the territorial integrity and people of this country. They have completely abdicated this responsibility. Both parties have been complicit in this. We are being told it is not possible to control our borders, enforce our laws, and thereby control our destiny as a nation. Hogwash. We are being sold out by corporations intent on importing workers for jobs that can't be exported with the taxpayers paying the true costs, financial and human. If we act like sheep and don't stop the inundation across our borders, we will lose our country without a bleat.
http://www.gohunter08.com
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Having browsed through those same "Christian" bookstores, I have also seen books on "How to witness to Catholics"...does that make the Catholic Church (the ORIGINAL Christian Church) a "cult" as well? A weak argument, at best, and truly offensive, twisted logic at worst.
Barbie, don't look now, but your bigotry's showing.
RC
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I'm sure this has got to pizz neocon RINO Medved off to the CORE!
Yeah, that Medved. Duncan Hunter is the face of the opposite end of the Republican party that Medved calls home.
Wasn't it Medved that said he'd be afraid to go have a beer with Hunter because of the embarassment he'd endure when Duncan asked to see the busboy's greencard? I may have him confused.... so many neocon Bush-Mecha shills out there.
Go suck on some Pyramid Ale, Mike. That Seattle crud has got NOTHING on any brew that comes out of Oregon.... Deschutes, Rogue, and Bridgeport, on their worst days, do better. |
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I would like to know how you could come up with such an illogical, bigoted assumption that you think I supposedly think "the Jews got what they deserved" during WW II!
I'm an Evangelical Christian Conservative who embraces my Judeo-Christan heritage, so I find your attack against me and God's chosen people to be highly offensive! The Mormon cult has absolutely nothing to do with Judaism, so your attempt at a parallel is totally ludicrous!
The fact is The Republican Party has foolishly allowed Socialists to integrate our party, and their voting record reflects it. |
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I would like to know how you could come up with such an illogical, bigoted assumption that you think I supposedly think "the Jews got what they deserved" during WW II!
I'm an Evangelical Christian Conservative who embraces my Judeo-Christan heritage, so I find your attack against me and God's chosen people to be highly offensive! The Mormon cult has absolutely nothing to do with Judaism, so your attempt at a parallel is totally ludicrous!
The fact is The Republican Party has foolishly allowed Socialists to integrate our party, and their voting record reflects it. |
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Having gone through instruction in the both the Lutheran Church (2 yrs.), as well as in the Catholic Church, and after having briefly joined the Catholic Church, I fortunately came to my senses when I realized Catholicism is indeed a religious cult. That's why Martin Luther, also a Catholic left the Church and posted his theses on the door of Wittenberg Cathedral! I can see you've been totally brainwashed to believe the blatant Catholic lie that it supposedly was the "original" Christian Church. Your Catholic cult never taught the history of the persecution of Jews--God's Chosen People--by the Catholic Church! The original Christians were Jews who were converted to faith in Jesus Christ! God chose our Savior to be born of the people HE chose: the Jews: Jesus was born of a Jewish virgin, Mary; he was not born of a Catholic virgin by the name of Mary. During His 3 yr. ministry on Earth, Jesus was a Jewish rabbi; not a Catholic priest! His Disciples were Jews; not Catholic priests. It was the Roman Catholics who nailed Jesus to the cross and crucified Him and later destroyed Jerusalem. When Jesus returns, He will still be a Jew, whether you Catholics want to accept that fact or not! Incidently, your Cult did nothing to intervene to stop Hitler from killing millions of innocent Jews! I have much more to say, so bring it on! |
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Ron Paul's showing at this straw poll was extremely strong considering only past delegates participated, meaning no new Republicans this year supporting Ron Paul are represented.
His 3rd place 16% showing was astounding and has energized all of us. |
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This kind of throws the idea out the window that Ron Paul's support is only coming from a handful of Libertarians. Especially considering the vote (1/6 of the total) actually comes from party delegates of the Bush years.
Also, for those of us that prefer smaller gov't, its nice to see the combination of Hunter-Paul-Tancredo take more then half the vote. |
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I attended the Texas Republican Straw Poll as a delegate from Jones County. I have yet to here anything regarding the lessor known candidates at the convention. During the two day event, I kept my mouth shut and listened to all of the candidates that attended. Mr. Duncan did impress me with his positions, Mr. Paul had my eyebrow raising on several occasions, but the one person who really made sense with his conservative views was the middle-class, non-politician, and still had a job candidate. Damn if I could remember his name.....Alzheimer kicking in. By the way, he was the first candidate to speak. His views on immigration, taxes, and the Iraq war has common sense written all over it. Even though he did not have a snowballs chance in hell, everyone after his 15 minute speech stood and applaud his position. |
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at least the voting ones. A lot of these blogosphere nutroots are not US voters. R.Paul's refusal to confront Islamists, i.e. spend any money or effort, explains why his and Democrat nutroot support is so high.
Rudy IS the man for the top job. Rudy's extreme successes:
- reducing welfare handouts
- improving economy
- fighting crime
- fiscal conservatism
- great security
- reduced abortions
- reduced bloated government agencies
He did all this while working with hostile city councils; right now there are 3 Republicans out of 50 on NYC council: http://www.nyccouncil.info/constituent/member_list.cfm
What will Fred T. and Romney accomplish while not having 60 votes in the Senate? Not as much as Rudy, that's for sure. Romney's socialist Massachusetts health care bill sealed his candidacy. Fred T. is no match for Rudy's experience.
What will Huckabee's anti-abortion views do when he gets into the office? Nothing. He won't even get Alaska drilling past congress let alone overturn Roe_V_Wade.
What about all these supposed liberal issues of Rudy such as pro-abortion, anti-gun, pro-gay? Well even if any of it is remotely true, none of that will be on the agenda. None. It's not even on the agenda of Democrat lead congress committees. Rudy WILL nominate Alito and Roberts alike because Rudy actually kept his election promises. So there is really no practical difference between him and Huckabee on social issues.
Rudy's mob destroying experience is unmatched compared to all candidates combined. And yes, he can invoke Regan more than the others, he was in that administration.
Rudy's anti-Parastinian state declarations sent me to donate to his campaign. My dream ticket: Rudy for president, Hunter for VP. The website was upgraded today: http://www.joinRudy2008.com
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RICK PERRY IS ADVERTISING ON THAT LIBRUL SITE - KOS. SAW AD WHEN CHECKING THAT GODLESS PLACE. PERRY IS ABANDONING US FOR THE INFIDELS AND TERRORIST-LOVERS. |
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