Friday, March 02, 2007
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Rudy: Live from the Room
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Posted by:
Patrick Ruffini at
2:04 PM
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Dean Barnett covers the Mayor's speech admirably (if a little misguidedly towards the end), so I won't belabor each point of the speech. But here are some initial impressions from the room. Rudy packed 'em in. The doors closed 20 minutes before he began speaking and I'm told the poor CPAC interns were locked arm to arm keeping more people from the capacity room. (Erick Erickson and Rob Bluey got the short stick in all this -- let's say that their 12:30 new media panel definitely didn't get the attendance it richly deserved.) This final snippet from George Will's introduction captures the Mayor's appeal perfectly:
Your next speaker's conservatism is the flavor of Margaret Thatcher's, of whom it was said she could not pass a government institution without swatting with her hand bag. Your next speaker grew up in Brooklyn when the Dodgets were still there, and nevertheless rooted for the Yankees. [This really got the crowd going.] Obviously your next speaker is someone who is spoiling for a fight. Ladies and gentlemen, I give you a man for whom pugnacity is a political philosophy, Rudy Giuliani. The initial reception to "New York, New York" was rousing and the speech thoughtful. The impression I was overwhelmingly left with was this was not a candidate with one-dimensional appeal. His lines on crime and education in New York got applause just his lines on terror did.
I should have more a bit later.
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Rudy was giving examples of people who make comments rather than make decisions. He cited Matthews as one of those. He was making the point that it is people like Matthews, et. al, who are paid to comment. Congress is paid to make decisions. Why is everyone seemingly intentionally missing that point? |
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Time for CPAC to pack it up. The gathering has proved itself an irritating, divisive, ideological nuisance, a cacaphony of voices of recent failure in the Executive and Legislative branches of government. And soon, perhaps, the Judicial. Led by ex-neoconservatives and grey eminences full of wish lists that won't come true. The next voice of conservative thought must debate ideas with the new liberal ascendancy. Good luck,
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Thank you so much for the heads up. Terrific speech. Republican voters still can decide this. We can nominate Hunter. Money only buys elections when people act like sheep. If 80% are indeed seeking a conservative, they can nominate one. The money players won't like it and are trying to convince us only the Rudy, Romney, or McCain can win. Hogwash. 49% of people will never vote for Hillary. Only 60% voted last time and turnout was the difference. My belief is Rudy would push turnout down. There might even be a third party, splitting the vote. Give Americans a chance to vote for a candidate who WILL secure the border and watch what happens to turnout. Americans want their government to fulfill it's most basic responsibility.
The primary responsibility of the U.S. government is to protect the territorial integrity and people of this country. They have completely abdicated this responsibility. Both parties have been complicit in this. We are being told it is not possible to control our borders, enforce our laws, and thereby control our destiny as a nation. Hogwash. We are being sold out by corporations intent on importing workers for jobs that can't be exported with the taxpayers paying the true costs, financial and human. If we act like sheep and don't stop the inundation across our borders, we will lose our country without a bleat.
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"Hillary running against Obama is not a good example. A better example would have been Hillary supporting Pataki over Cuomo. But that would never happen because liberals stick together...just as Rudy did with Mario Cuomo."
...Zell Miller supported the President.
...the President supported Joe Lieberman.
...as Rush pointed out this morning, the President kept Clinton appointees on the payroll.
Ted Olson and Rick Santorum were both interesting on this topic yesterday. If Rick cuts him some slack over the complexities of New York politics, I can also. BUT LIKE RICK I want to hear Rudy's answers -- absent those at this early stage I am not eager to rush to judgement on the man just yet. |
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I watched the CSPAN coverage. Rudy G had some people who will reject him because they are purists. But, it did seem that the delegates liked some of what he had to say. McCain did not show up. The rest of the crew did. Feb. '08 will be a national primary day. Which Pub will have the momentum, the money, the organization to do a many-state sweep? Mitt has some chance, Rudy has a better chance. McCain is gone and forget the lower tier unless Newt decides to go before the end of March,'07. So hold your fire people and remember that if we devour our own, we will get killed in '08. I want to know from the Rudy haters, if they will support Mitt if he wins??? Or will he not be pure enought either?
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Hillary running against Obama is not a good example. A better example would have been Hillary supporting Pataki over Cuomo. But that would never happen because liberals stick together...just as Rudy did with Mario Cuomo. |
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Pataki has the same views as Rudy except for his recent denunciation against the troop increase in Iraq. Maybe Rudy just wanted to take a rival down a peg. Happens all the time in politics. Just watch what the Clintons do to Obama. |
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Looks like you've just found the torpedo that will sink Giuliani's candidacy.
Or not. The article doesn't even mention Giuliani by name, only the mayor's office. Moreover, I don't see the problem here. Assuming that some small corners were cut in opening Manhattan (and there's nothing here to convince me they were cut), those corners were cut so that businesses could re-open, so that New York could get on its feet again commercially, financially, economically. I don't really see how that's a bad thing. |
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If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, its a liberal duck.
No doubt about the fact that many liberals on these blogs are having about a Rudy vs. Hillary race. Either way, the liberals win ! |
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Agree that George Will is on the precipice of RINO territory. Working with left-wing MSM for so long has rotted his mind.
re Rudy and Chris Matthews: it's not the only criticism people are throwing at him, it's just symptomatic of bigger problems.
on another note, you have to respect the left's internet propaganda machine. i don't think conservatives are going over to liberal blogs and trying to subvert the audiences. |
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Rudy Giuliani's one big political strength is that he was seen as a strong leader during the 9/11 attacks. Thats the only thing the majority of Americans know about him thus far. But what if the Clinton campaign were to tarnish Giuliani's perceived strength ? You might ask how ? Here's a potential problem the Giuliani campaign will be forced to address at some point.
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http://wcbstv.com/topstories/local_story_249164937.html
Marcia Kramer
Reporting
(CBS) NEW YORK tunning proof has been uncovered that the government knowingly put New Yorkers in harm's way after 9/11.
"CBS 2 News has obtained documents revealing that Lower Manhattan was reopened a few weeks following the attack even though the air was not safe."
"The two devastating memos, written by the U.S. and local governments, show they knew. They knew the toxic soup created at Ground Zero was a deadly health hazard. Yet they sent workers into the pit and people back into their homes."
"One of the memos, from the New York City health department, dated Oct. 6, 2001, noted: "The mayor's office is under pressure from building owners ... in the Red Zone to open more of the city." The memo said the Department of Environmental Protection was "uncomfortable" with opening the areas but, "The mayor's office was directing the Office of Emergency Management to open the target areas next week."
"Not only did they know it was unsafe, they didn't heed the words of more experienced people that worked for the city and E.P.A.," said Joel Kupferman, with the group Environmental Justice Project.
For the full story go to the link.
http://wcbstv.com/topstories/local_story_249164937.html
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Although I consider myself a conservative, I have no agenda except what is best for this country -- not for the Republican Party, not for conservatism. And I believe that Rudy Giuliani would lead this country well, as would John McCain. Frankly, I do not choose to be part of any "base" or party that would disqualify those two distinguished Americans from the presidency.
As far as Rudy's endorsement of Cuomo goes, I don't owe anybody an explanation for that. Perhaps Rudy does, perhaps he doesn't. But I sure don't, although I'm prepared to accept what I believe his rationale at the time was: he believed Cuomo would be better for New York City than Pataki. |
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Its obvious you have an agenda that is not sympathic to the values which the base of the republican party holds dear.
You still haven't given us an explanation as to why Giuliani supported Mario Cuomo ver George Pataki. Its wasn't that long ago, so your memory should still be fresh on that score. |
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If the only thing you have to criticize is Rudy's Chris Matthews comment, then obviously you don't like him in the first place. Talk about shallow !! Someone who says they won't vote for Rudy based on that needs to have their head examined. |
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Yeah, and Ronald Reagan voted for Franklin Roosevelt -- what's your point?
Also, do you care to define "neocon"? While neoconservatives have typically been more sympathetic to bigger government, the current "definition" (if you can call it that) centers on foreign policy. And on that account, George Will is most definitely not a neoconservative. |
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George Will is the prototypical neocon. Will likes big government programs that benefit the issues he cares about. The problem with Will is that he's worked at ABC too long and the ultra liberals there influenced him in a leftward direction. |
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George Will supporting Giuliani? How dissapointing...I thought George Will was smart. |
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Lets get real people..lets get real....
Giuliani supported Mario Cuomo for governor ! I wonder if George Will mentioned that during the CPAC speech ?
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Lauding Chris Matthews to a roomful of conservatives!... I mean, I like Rudy but this displays how out of touch he may be with the conservative base.
Imagine John Edwards praising the work of Rush Limbaugh to a audience of liberal activists.
This is really eye-opening. I think I may hold off on buying that Rudy '08 sticker.
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Gonna be trouble. First you dis Hugh by referring to him as "the blogfather" when everyone knows he prefers the more thunderblasty "Jack Bauer of the blogosphere" and now this. Maybe we need to reconsider Hugh's comprehensive "guest blogger" reform program. The only one you haven't dissed yet is Mary Katherine. This is gonna get ugly isn't it. |
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and i guess Hillary is a modern day Reagan? |
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