vladimir estragon writes: Friday, July, 10, 2009 9:28 AM
Big Sky
"Vlad
You follow the polls when they are showing a positive for your side,and discount them when they don't, like last week."
Totally false. If you're going to argue with me, at least stick to the truth.
Bob Munck: I'm slipping on the blood on the floor from your merciless skewering of these amateurs.
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Cheerleading are you Vlad?
Funny how I cannot yet prove Munck is a liar and fraud and I have destroyed you within a few weeks.
Munk has not skewered anyone here yet. He simply mentions the false virtues of socialism and you fawn adoration and praise upon him and reduce yourself to becoming his chattel.
Any one else notice? |
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Actually the figures I gave were the 2008 estimates from that CIA page. I actually gave the link to check, unlike you. But, whatever. Go back to Scandinavia if you think it's so wonderful there. |
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"According to the June 8, 2009, Economist "Daily chart",
Who are you going to trust, the Economist or the CIA? |
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"Speaking of Norway, if you do the arithmetic -- something I realize right-wingers have a great deal of trouble with -- you find that Norway spends MORE on their military per capita than we do."
According to the June 8, 2009, Economist "Daily chart", The world's biggest military spenders by population: (In USD)
Israel $2,300 per person (16.2 bn total)
U.S. $2,000 person (607.3 bn total)
Oman $1,700 (4.5 bn total)
Singapore $1,700 (7.5 bn total)
Kuwait $1,600 (4.7 bn total)
Saudi Arabia $1,500 (38.2 bn total)
Norway $1,300 (5.9 bn total)
Greece $1,200 (12.6 bn total)
Britain $1,100 (65.3 bn total)
France $1,100 (65.7 bn total)
China is the second largest spender at $85 billion but no per person figure is given in the Economist chart. |
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It's hard to Keynes seriously, he was wrong on so much. |
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"The population of Norway is what?"
Do you really not know how to look up things like that? You're connected to the Internet, you know.
Speaking of Norway, if you do the arithmetic -- something I realize right-wingers have a great deal of trouble with -- you find that Norway spends MORE on their military per capita than we do. |
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He will have his followers just like the Pied Piper blowing his flute the people that voted for him especially the independents are trying to figure out what happen to our hero lol He moves along changing his spots to what ever item will bring attention to him |
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"Vlad
You follow the polls when they are showing a positive for your side,and discount them when they don't, like last week."
Totally false. If you're going to argue with me, at least stick to the truth.
Bob Munck: I'm slipping on the blood on the floor from your merciless skewering of these amateurs. |
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when you put together an argument, let me know. unless you got something, sarcasm is an instrument of the weak--as my dear mother would say. |
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"Business Cycles," by Joseph Schumpter. Read it a couple times in the 1980s and it has influenced my thinking since. Kondratief cycles--or K-waves--protract over 50-80 years. the "seasons" are benign inflation, stagflation, benign deflation, severe deflation.
you're right: i'm a Keynesian. it is hard to be a serious person without being Keynesian.
call it the 2010 election if you want. another way of framing it is that there are difficult issues to work out that warrant proceeding carefully with taxpayer dollars. you don't just blow the wad to blow the wad--well, maybe that's the way nihilistic Reeps do it. you use this period of severe deflation to lay down the infra that will support and sustain the next round of private sector growth.
but again, i know you guys like to believe this stuff magically takes care of itself. it is the ultimate in childish thinking. like civilization is just given. doesn't take taxes. doesn't take public sector involvement. just occurs spontaneously. |
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to you and no I don't live in my parents basement. My friends are young at heart and by American standards they are poor.
What can I say, they want to live in the United States of America. |
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"My European friends think they live well and by European standards they do. But they don't have a clothes dryer or a dishwasher."
So you have poor friends. They're probably just kids, like you. |
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"Note that Scandinavian countries have no military to fund!"
Sure they do. In fact, all have compulsory military service of a year or more. Their military expenditures aren't as high as ours, but remember that ours are only 4% of GDP, compared to 2% or so for the Scandinavian countries. That doesn't make a big difference in per capita GDP. Having worked for both the US DoD and the Norwegian Ministry of Defense, I can tell you that they're MUCH less wasteful of defense money than we are.
I worked with a couple of Norwegians who'd been in the raid on the German heavy water plant at Telemark. Let's see you tell them about how the USA is the only country saving the world from tyranny. |
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because sooner or later you would be asking me for it.
My European friends think they live well and by European standards they do. But they don't have a clothes dryer or a dishwasher. Those are luxury items. If you lived in Europe you would know that.
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Bob Munck writes: Thursday, July, 09, 2009 11:58 PM
Andrea 11:31 PM
"That's why the GDP per capita there is $39,6000 and it is $47,000 in America. Of all the Scandinavian countries, only Norway (#7) is ahead of the U.S. (#10) on the CIA list."
Old data. Note the 2004 in your URL.
CIA World Factbook 2008:
4 Norway $103,586
11 Sweden $56,703
17 USA $47,103
World Bank 2008:
2 Norway $94,359
8 Sweden $52,057
12 USA $46,716
International Monetary Fund 2008:
2 Norway $95,062
9 Sweden $52,790
15 USA $46,859
Denmark and Finland are also significantly above the USA in all three charts.
Arch says.
Munck. Note that Scandinavian countries have no military to fund! Do you ever explain that in your glorification of socialism? No. You conveniently dismiss that factor.If it were not for our might, they would be slaves to tyrants as the rest of socialist nations. Name one that has a funding comparable to ours as a factor in their GDP!!! |
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Andrea writes: Thursday, July, 09, 2009 11:10 PM
OncealwaysaMarine
Exactly! BTW, I always enjoy reading your posts.
Peace,
Andrea
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Andrea! Likewise! |
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"I got the information from my European friends and my summer vacation was spent in Europe in 2007."
Whereas I lived in Europe for most of a decade.
"I also have friends in Canada and the U.K."
You know Canada isn't in Europe, right?
"and I hosted a dinner party for a Cuban refugee and his mother in 2008."
OK, now you're just being silly. Sillier. |
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"That's why the GDP per capita there is $39,6000 and it is $47,000 in America. Of all the Scandinavian countries, only Norway (#7) is ahead of the U.S. (#10) on the CIA list."
Old data. Note the 2004 in your URL.
CIA World Factbook 2008:
4 Norway $103,586
11 Sweden $56,703
17 USA $47,103
World Bank 2008:
2 Norway $94,359
8 Sweden $52,057
12 USA $46,716
International Monetary Fund 2008:
2 Norway $95,062
9 Sweden $52,790
15 USA $46,859
Denmark and Finland are also significantly above the USA in all three charts. |
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from my European friends and my summer vacation was spent in Europe in 2007.
I also have friends in Canada and the U.K. and I hosted a dinner party for a Cuban refugee and his mother in 2008.
So if you want to know something about the Cuban healthcare system you have come to the right place. |
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They mean the pendulum is starting to swing the other way,it always does.I just didn't think it would happen so fast.Like Biden I miss read the left's total commitment to over reach. |
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"A clothes dryer is a luxury item and a dishwasher is the European standing at the sink."
That's utter nonsense. Where are you getting your information? |
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"[Sweden has the] highest rate of suicide in europe"
Not actually true, but it is about 20% higher than the USA. However, you try living that far north and see how happy you are. I spent two winters in Trondheim, and it's just DEPRESSING. Alaska's suicide rate is 46% higher than Sweden's. (Montana and Wyoming are even higher, but those people have to live in Montana or Wyoming, so it's understandable.) |
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Europeans think Americans are rich that's why they want to live in America. A clothes dryer is a luxury item and a dishwasher is the European standing at the sink.
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"Swedes are not rich."
The country as a whole is very well-to-do. Have you ever been there?
"The cost of living in the Scandanavians are about 1.4 to 1.5 the cost of living here."
Sorry, not true. I've lived and worked in Scandinavia. The people I worked with, at about my same level of seniority and education, lived better than I or any of my associates at home could live in the US. Their living conditions were about the same as ours, but they routinely took a three-week vacation in Spain or Italy, a couple of weeks at their ski cabins in the winter, and another week or two here and there, shopping in London, Paris, or NYC. That is, they not only had hugely more vacation time than we do, but they could afford expensive vacations.
Anyone who knows Scandinavia well is quite aware that they are noticeably more prosperous than the US. In terms of GDP per capita, all of the Scandinavian countries are well above the United States. Norway has over TWICE our GDP per capita. |
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...definitely patten leather (glowing in the Tuscan sun) not alligator.
$900 from an Italian boutique: $9.00 from Tar-zjay make in China.
Buy Chinese via Target, Michelle, like the rest of us. Conspicuous consumption in the midst of the worst economic crisis (made far worse by your hubbie's insane Keynsian folly) looks bad.
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Exactly! BTW, I always enjoy reading your posts.
Peace,
Andrea |
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Bob Munck writes: Thursday, July, 09, 2009 9:14 PM
stalkinghorse 7:53 PM
"a socialist you are"
Wouldn't his wife carrying an expensive purse and wearing expensive shoes make him a capitalist, not a socialist? It's money they earned by working.
"and if you hadn't noticed, socialism isn't working anywhere else on the freaking planet."
Sweden and the other Scandinavian countries are all very successful and very rich. I believe that wingnuts consider them socialist. Are you perhaps referring to some other planet?
Arch says
Munck. Now lets see! What kind of a military do these nations have? What would our nation be without our massive military budget? Do you even think clearly enough to consider how rich and successful those nations are without having to dominate the world by military might? Yep they are rich and successful alright, riding on the backs of our might! |
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Sweden and the other Scandinavian countries are all very successful and very rich. I believe that wingnuts consider them socialist. Are you perhaps referring to some other planet?
highest rate of suicide in europe.socialist paradise |
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Your fantasy stats are hilarious.
What have the Swedes and the Scandinavians done in the last century to change the world. Oh yeah they do pretty good chocolate.
Wow.
Those countries will be non existent in about 50 years or so because of cradle to grave socialist pampering. They aren't making babies because they're a bunch of babies. No babies no tribe.
Kapish.
Would you call on Sweden to save planet erf? I thought not.
As for the handbag and shoes, tyrants always have the best stuff.
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Swedes are not rich. Europeans have very small everything.In fact, there is alot of disdain for the rich people among the ordinary. The cost of living in the Scandanavians are about 1.4 to 1.5 the cost of living here. If you want that lifestyle, cram you family into a small apartment, maybe you'll have two cars, and be okay with 20% of your fellow Swedes to be on permanent disability.
But hey, at least the women are very hot! |
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we are dealing with a protracted and structural workout, and all your wide-eyed innocence in the capacity of capitalism to fix itself is wasting everyone's time. we are trying to save capitalism.
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Actually, as in the past, government interference will destroy capitalism. Only Marxist Socialists will claim that only the government can provide the safety net to save the Untied States. Nonsense. This country has always been able to right the ship through it's own ingenuity. The only thing that Marxist Socialism has accomplished is to make believe that a dependent nation will be better off by having the government reward those people who were unwilling to participate in the endevours of hard work and success. |
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You are a Kenyesian.
In order for govt to step in and "kick start" the economy with a stimulus properly, it should be frontloaded. All this emergency stimulus that we needed so quickly has barely been spent.
Your adults in charge do not care about so much about the economy as they do about getting re-elected. Otherwise, they wouldn't have staged all the spending to happen during the 2010 election cycle. Clever? Perhaps. Intelligent? no, it shows how little they really "get it" or care for the people.
secular credit cycle...is there a book with these funny phrases you come up with? |
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And if you think the Obama's are paying for those expensive purses and shoes, I have a gold brick I'd like to sell you. Special low price, just for you. I think Vlad is accusing the Obama's of stealing the purse and shoes,ummmm is that a good idea Vlad? Oh maybe they didn't steal them maybe they are a bribe. Vlad I think you are making the Obama's look worse, go back to they paid for the stuff it sounds better. |
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"a socialist you are"
Wouldn't his wife carrying an expensive purse and wearing expensive shoes make him a capitalist, not a socialist? It's money they earned by working.
"and if you hadn't noticed, socialism isn't working anywhere else on the freaking planet."
Sweden and the other Scandinavian countries are all very successful and very rich. I believe that wingnuts consider them socialist. Are you perhaps referring to some other planet? |
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Thursday, July, 09, 2009 7:40 PM
Really, Vlad?
Only $900 for that purse? Well, since that is more than my husband takes home in a week, I would like to have such a "knockoff." Most of us wouldn't care if her husband was not telling us WE need to make sacrifices so that he can remake America into his collectivist utopia."
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Andrea, you need to understand...
WE need to make the sacrifices so that HE can remake America by collecting OUR money, and creating a "collectivist" utopia for himself, his own family, and the politically-connected elitist class who know what's best for the rest of us--their servants.
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Were going to run you out of town before you destroy this country. We didn't hire a socialist but a socialist you are and if you hadn't noticed, socialism isn't working anywhere else on the freaking planet.
You wont leave office with your reputation either. We'll make sure of it. Just returning the favor dude.
Stunts like you pulled today indicating you want to tax the US into oblivion for some fantasy global warming charade is one more nail in the coffin. Politically speaking of course.
You're a lame duck and you haven't celebrated you're first anniversary.
Na na na na, na na na na, hey hey, good by. |
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Only $900 for that purse? Well, since that is more than my husband takes home in a week, I would like to have such a "knockoff." Most of us wouldn't care if her husband was not telling us WE need to make sacrifices so that he can remake America into his collectivist utopia. |
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BOTTOM LINE:
Barack Obama was very definitive about claiming that unemployment would top out at 8%.
If he needed more breathing room than this, you can be certain he would have built it in. He did not.
He pushed that stimulus through with the convictions, the certainty, of everything else he does. Call it arrogance. Call it ignorance in economics.
He could have framed the narrative any way he wanted.
8% unemployment by June is how he did it.
By the logic of teh Liberals, he's a "LIAR".
Similar to the way in which the Left reconciled that G W Bush was a liar. They claimed that, "Bush lied, people died".
no matter that Bush used the same intelligence that all other countries used. No matter that the United Nations derived the same conclusion that Bush did in proceeding forth wih resolution 1441. Bush Lied.
Yep----using that logic, well then, Obummer "LIED". Unemployment is at 9.5% and climbing.
Obummer Lied. He established a ceiling of 8%.
Now his wife galavants around with $6,000.00 handbags and $500.00 sneakers, rubbing it in the face of regular Americans who struggle through their daily existence.
OBUMMER is a LIAR. It's the only conclusion utilizing Liberal-logic. |
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Thursday, July, 09, 2009 6:47 PM
oncealways
when businesses and households retrench at the end of a secular credit cycle, the public sector has to lever up. period. without it, the economy can implode into a decades-long deflation. it has nada to do with incompetence. it has everything to do with the sharp (and destabilizing) teeth of severe deflationary downturns."
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Oh...NOW I see! So all that blaming Bush was just a charade, now that it's Obama's turn to show his stuff and he's falling flat on his face.
It doesn't (according to you) have ANYTHING to do with his spending us into the Stone Age without having a DAMN thing to show for his wasting all our money and raising all our taxes: from cigarettes to soda pop.
I gotcha...genius.
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Thursday, July, 09, 2009 6:13 PM
More right wing myths
I'm sure it's going to live forever in the fever swamps, but the alligator purse story is phony:
"Italian luxury goods manufacturer VBH boasted yesterday that First Lady Michelle Obama had toted their $5,950 alligator manila clutch earlier this week while on a trip to Russia.
No way, said the White House, which countered that the First Lady was carrying an $875 VBH patent leather clutch.
After sticking to their initial claim, the high-end leather manufacturer is now backing off. "If that's what the White House is saying, then it's a patent bag," {admitted-FLAG AS FRAUD}[You changed the wording of your cut and paste from "said" to "admitted" to suit your phony claim. ADMITTED is a word you inserted] VBH rep Kelly Vitko.
You changed the wording because any objective person upon reading the ACTUAL quote, would necessarily recognize the cynicism which with it was made by the VBH official. It is apparent for obvious reasons that the White House would have more reason to lie about it, than would the Italian manufacturer would.
Your cut-and-paste was altered by you to try to change the evidence in order to make a case for your heroes: The Obama's.
You ought to apply for a job with one of the network "news" organizations. You'd make a good puppy. Nice try.
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when businesses and households retrench at the end of a secular credit cycle, the public sector has to lever up. period. without it, the economy can implode into a decades-long deflation. it has nada to do with incompetence. it has everything to do with the sharp (and destabilizing) teeth of severe deflationary downturns.
you folks on the right are like innocent little naifs, with your bushy-tailed faith in humanity, and civilization, and the markets. it used to be that conservatives recognized the limits of human nature. but you good people act as though order just bursts spontaneously out of the markets; that there is no need for taxes, as though civilization just creates itself. it is touching, really. but although big government and the big bank--in Minsky's words--has buffered this generation from cyclic downturns, we have now achieved a secular moment. this is our 1930s, or 1870s, or 1830s. we are dealing with a protracted and structural workout, and all your wide-eyed innocence in the capacity of capitalism to fix itself is wasting everyone's time. we are trying to save capitalism. at this point, right now, with the economic facts on the ground as they are right now, your "libertarian" nonsense will destroy it. |
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"Maybe she'll break out in a Polar Bear full-length fur coat this winter."
Probably not going to happen because PETA will have a fit and Greenpeace will unfurl a banner from an iceberg on the Kenai fjords. More likely is that she will wear a faux fur made from an organic soybean substitute grown in the lead contaminated White House garden by a food activist collective. |
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...the nurse. Mommy call the lady in the alligator purse.
All my life I've been wondering about that lady with the purse. Now we know.
It wasn't a $6000 clutch but a $900 knock-off?
I'm rolling on the floor laughing my head off.
Well, it has to match the $500 tennies and the $600 earrings. |
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"Hillary Clinton was EXCORIATED after it was learned that she had gotten a $200 hair-styling."
Well, some folks excoriated Hillary every day that ended in a "y." |
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I'm sure it's going to live forever in the fever swamps, but the alligator purse story is phony:
"Italian luxury goods manufacturer VBH boasted yesterday that First Lady Michelle Obama had toted their $5,950 alligator manila clutch earlier this week while on a trip to Russia.
No way, said the White House, which countered that the First Lady was carrying an $875 VBH patent leather clutch.
After sticking to their initial claim, the high-end leather manufacturer is now backing off. "If that's what the White House is saying, then it's a patent bag," admitted VBH rep Kelly Vitko.
http://www.nydailynews.com/lifestyle/fashion/2009/07/09/200 9-07-09_michelle_obama_flashes_expensive_taste_carries_5950 _black_bag_alligator_russia_.html#ixzz0KnpqenU4&D
And if you think the Obama's are paying for those expensive purses and shoes, I have a gold brick I'd like to sell you. Special low price, just for you. |
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funny. ungallant. but funny. |
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Alligator hide accessories were being condemned in the 1960s! way before Animal Rights activists starting turning their attentions to mink coats and other furs being used!
Where are they now? Where is their outrage at the first lady's exploitation of alligators?
The MSM has been playing up this thing about Michelle Obama's "supposed" trend-setting fashion sense, and how American women when they see how wonderful and glamorous their First Lady looks, will be inclined to follow her "fashion" lead.
Does that mean that "fashion-conscious" women will now start a resurgence in the demand market for alligator hide purses of their own? Will Katie Couric, Oprah Winfrey, the women on "The View" and others trot out the gay male women's fashion experts to advise women on how to accessorize with their "new" alligator purses?
Alligator purses will, once again, become all the rage in America!
I wonder what her next "fashion statement" will be...
Maybe she'll break out in a Polar Bear full-length fur coat this winter. |
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With her $500.00 sneakers,her $6000.00 purse, her make-up artist, hair stylist, why does she still look like she does. |
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do you really think folks are going to look at that unemployment rate--or any of these unfavorable stats--as though they are just suspended in air, without source or origin? people are not dumb. they understand that President Obama inherited a mess, that the downturn is secular and longstanding, and that without the actions of the Obama administration--and tho too late, the Bush Admin as well--we would be in significantly worse shape.
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Can anybody imagine the fallout that would have occurred if, as first lady, Laura Bush would have been outed as carrying a $6000 alligator (of all things!) handbag? (Even though the Bush's were INDEPENDENTLY WEALTHY before coming to the White House)
Can anybody imagine what would be the fallout had this been John McCain's wife? (Even though she is a millionaire in her OWN right)
Hillary Clinton was EXCORIATED after it was learned that she had gotten a $200 hair-styling.
The degree of hubris of the Obamas and the sycophancy and hypocrisy being displayed by their supporters is mind-boggling. |
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Barry and Michelle are "stickin' it to the man" and, due to the very effective politics of guilt and pity, the white liberal media will not criticize their extravagance. More likely, they will praise Michelle's fashion sense and say, as PL does, that they deserve it. |
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You wrote:
"The GOP doesn't get it. It is time to renounce your membership in the GOP and affiliate with Independents or Conservatives instead. Michael Steele does not show a seriousness of purpose appropriate to the times and events. You can most effectively show your distrust in the GOP "leadership" by voting with your feet."
I agree with you the GOP is in total disarray. This is why I thank God, that I believe Sarah Palin is going to assume and take the leadership role in the GOP and remake the GOP back into the party of Traditional Conservatism. Andrea Tantaros was discussing the same thing on Fox News, you can watch it here:
http://www.andreatantaros.com/
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Obama is undoubtedly a one-term president..a la Carter. Massive inflation will strike and Americans will spend even less. There won't be enough "rich" people to tax and it will spill over into the pocket books of ALL citizens, rich and poor alike. Obama's international policies are deplorable and he now has his own war in Afghanistan. All one can do is hope that he doesn't do permanent damage to this country. |
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Obama's trickle down effect in his popularity is HIS trickle down economy. And this fiasco of the manufactured economic collapse is also HIS economy.
BTW it is true that this economic collapse really started with Jimmy Carter: Community Reinvestment Act... and pushed with Bill Clinton. Even though Bush (yes Bush) tried a number of times to warn about the housing bubble; he never was taken seriously. Then news media (MSM) was so busy with its Hate Bush campaign it never listened. MSM is obviously far left wing Social Democrats.
Japan has tried & FDR has tried this overspending SCHEME and that all failed... go figure... |
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Your post to PL is spot on. We all know that Bush made plenty of mistakes and we know that this economy was in the tank. Obama knew it too but he wanted the job. He has thus far done nothing but spend, spend and spend some more. We all know it is not going to work. He cannot blame Bush forever. I am affraid you are right we are in for a disaster |
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Thursday, July, 09, 2009 3:42 PM
Diane and others
not to be impolite, but your analysis is silly. no wonder Republicans are in such a bad way these days--they think people are fools.
do you really think folks are going to look at that unemployment rate--or any of these unfavorable stats--as though they are just suspended in air, without source or origin? people are not dumb. they understand that President Obama inherited a mess"...inherited a mess...inherited a mess...inherited a mess...inherited a mess...inherited a mess...
"Hey, can somebody turn off that broken record!"
Idiotic Liberal...it is people like you who think people are fools that, even when we concede that Obama "inherited" a mess, his policies aren't doing anything to straighten out the "mess" but are turning a mess into a DISASTER!
Let me pose a question to you:
If one mechanic is incompetent and the result of his work is that my car is damaged by his lack of skill, do I take my car to another mechanic who, after claiming to know how to fix it, charges me 4 times as much IN ADVANCE as the first mechanic and is even MORE incompetent and himself causes my car to stop running altogether?
The reason Obama's popularity is nose-diving is not because he "inherited" a mess...it's because he is turning a "mess" into a disaster.
The only people I think are stupid are the ones like you who continue to ignore this fact.
Obama, obviously doesn't have a workable plan to fix "the mess" that Bush made. If Obama "inherited a mess," Obama is turning the "mess" he "inherited" into a DISASTER!
It is the Independents he's losing.
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Even those who will not be paying taxes will be paying much higher prices for everything, Even one living on welfare and foodstamps will feel the pinch, perhaps more than others. I do believe that the repubs had better run someone that has more conservative values when it comes to spending and is far more in touch with the ideals that the constitution really means something. If they come up with another McCain Obama will get an extra 4 years. |
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You follow the polls when they are showing a positive for your side,and discount them when they don't, like last week. |
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Forget those polls. The Libs and media pulled another fast one on you.
Michelle's got a brand new handbag, and Sarah Palin does not. and Michelle gets a free pass on it, you GOPer fools.
Palin was castigated last fall about her "wardrobe",and her accessories, how expensive, etc., etc.
The media and Liberals loved critiqueing her new "threads".
They made asanine comments about the symbolism of it all.
Now------reports are out that Michelle Obama was sportin' a new handbag in Russia a few days ago. The Italian designer identified it as their own, VBH "manila bag".
The cost? $6,000.00.
Except now the white house is saying its NOT the 6 grand version but the $900.00 one.
Yeah----right.
As if the manufacturer of the bag does not know their own product.
http://www.nydailynews.com/lifestyle/fashion/2009/07/09/200 9-07-09_michelle_obama_flashes_expensive_taste_carries_5950 _black_bag_alligator_russia_.html
SIX THOUSAND DOLLAR HANDBAG for Michelle----but no media comments. Not a peep from the Liberal-losers who made such a big deal of Palin's "accessories".
Oh yeah---Michelle was seen a couple of weeks ago wearing some French sneakers. Only $500.00 a pair for those puppies. Still no comment from the press, from the loser-Liberals.
AND-----the symbolism of it all.
I mean, the country is at 9.5% unemployment.
People are having their homes foreclosed in huge numbers.
People are starving.
People can't pay their electric bills.
People can't pay to fill their cars with gasoline.
BUT----Michelle Obama can go around, showing off her 6,000.00 handbag.
And she can protect those massive feet with $500.00 sneakers.
Man----it's good to be the king---and queen.
Shhhhhhh....listen......that silence is the sound of the Liberal media reporting on her wardrobe.
So, screw those polls. Michelle's got a $6,000.00 bag----and Sarah Palin? She can stay home and wear sweatpants.
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You are delusional. First of all as these unemployment numbers rise and people remember that the rushed through stimulus will have no affect they will surly watch the Obama date nights at their expense. People who are hungry quickly resent those who are eating steak right in front of them. Get real you really think a year from now people will blame Bush. I do not think so. Your guy is going to totally own this very shortly, in fact some feel that way already. |
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Diane, I hope you are right, but I don't have much faith in my fellow citizens. Remember, FDR got re-elected in the midst of the Great Depression even though his policies delayed the recovery. Even more frightening is the prediction that soon at least 50% of the population will not be paying any federal tax; so why would they care if he continues to push through expensive programs that will be paid for by the "rich"?
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not to be impolite, but your analysis is silly. no wonder Republicans are in such a bad way these days--they think people are fools.
do you really think folks are going to look at that unemployment rate--or any of these unfavorable stats--as though they are just suspended in air, without source or origin? people are not dumb. they understand that President Obama inherited a mess, that the downturn is secular and longstanding, and that without the actions of the Obama administration--and tho too late, the Bush Admin as well--we would be in significantly worse shape.
moreover, people don't care that the President has a date night that costs a million or whatever. it is the modern Presidency. every time a President--any President--takes a step, it costs a thousand bucks. rabble-rousing on that point is just going to lead to rolled eyes. in the first place, everybody knows the Reeps are bought and paid for. and in the second, people realize the guy is one of us--heck, he was still paying off the college loan five or six years ago. he is not living large. you want living large? how about the Reep patrons in our country's business leadership who drove our country into the ground?!
your argument is based on the assumption Americans are fools. American's aren't fools. And after three decades of Republican/Conservative ascendancy, people have decided to believe their lying eyes rather than Reep agitators.
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As with most libertarians, I have a general disdain for all politicians. At least most of the GOP ones stay out of my business. That sentiment will become the divide in the next election. Those, mostly younger, that want a nanny state to take care of them vs those that say enough already!
Don't forget that the "clever" idea behind the stimulus was not to help immediately but the help when the election cycle starts next year to make the Dems look good. If only the intentions were altruistic... |
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are now claiming to be Conservatives!
I suspect that before the year is out they'll be embarrassed enough to start scraping those silly rainbow Obama stickers off their bumpers...and pretending they never bought into the stupidity of Obamamania in the first place.
Already the people in my local church (who, of course being black people, got all caught up in "the first black president" thing, are starting to look funny...having allowed themselves as professed Christians...to vote for this man who seems to be antithetical to all the things of God and Christianity, as it turns out.
I guess sitting in a church on Sundays knowing you join in with a mob of other nincompoops who set aside every pre-warning that this man was more akin to a disciple of Baal than he is of Jesus Christ...doesn't feel very good...now that you see that there won't be any scraps falling from his gluttonous and self-serving table of greed and self-importantance.
They can still, perhaps, take some modicum of vicarious pleasure in knowing that their "black Saul" and his goony wife are enjoying themselves traipsing around the country and the world in $3000 dollar suits and carrying $6000 dollar alligator handbags... |
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"The masses are too ignorant as a result of government schooling and too distracted by entertainment to see what is happening to our republic. Moreover, I don't think the majority of the populace even cares."
Absolutely, and this bodes ill for the long term. And maybe even the short term.
Which is why it will be important to do two things: 1) plan ahead personally (he says, cryptically); 2) learn to think outside the conventional political box. Because it could very well get real nasty.
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My point is that I do believe that unemployment will continue to go up. I believe that this will be a double dip recession sorry to say. People who have been very happy to just enjoy the simple things like dinner and a movie will start to resent that the Obama's are living large on the tax payer money. It will not take much to feel angry about when you are suffering. |
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doesn't necessarity translate to an increase of support for the GOP: "Furthermore, he noted, despite some signs of Democratic weak spots, the opposition is even less popular on key issues."
The main issue likely being that idiotic war in Iraq. But it's not just the issues, it's the people too. G.W. Bush will probably go down as one of the worst presidents in American history, and the electorate sure wasn't going to buy MOTS with the doddering, warmongering senator from Arizona. And I'm telling you, GOPers - don't put your hope in Sarah Palin. She may be popular among the so-called "base", but she's not so popular with independents.
A recent Gallup poll indicates that the electorate is actually tending more *libertarian* in some respects. That could be good news for the GOP, if it could ever reclaim the Goldwater legacy. |
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That's right let these polls continue to nosedive! Dumbo who is literally the worst president we ever had, he is literally a Herbert Hoover, L.B.J, and a Jimmy Carter all rolled into one. I love Rasmussen's Poll which is a better polling form than Gallup, they put those who strongly disapprove of Dumbo at 8 points higher than those who approve and guess what those numbers will be higher tomorrow! That's right Dumbo keep being a radical marxist and drag the whole Demoncratic Party with ya! DOWN BABY DOWN!!!! |
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The favorable poll numbers are trending downward, the unfavorable are trending upward faster. People that spoke out loudly about the "need" to elect this change from bush (mostly for the war and military policies that have continued unabated, and in some cases increased) no longer speak out.
The strength of conviction is not there for the supporters. More people are asking questions. The real world supports the poll numbers. |
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"You got too much
"estrogen", runnin' through you, "boy"!!"
Well, I certainly hope that whatever's running through you isn't running through me. |
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I think the opposite. If the dems continue on this path people will be very disillusioned. Most people vote their pocketbook, just as they did this time. In 4 years if this massive spending has put us into another recession and I believe we are in for a double dip this time I do not think Obama can survive. People are already starting to be concerned about the spending. Even though the American public has been seriously dumbed downed, I do believe that most want to live a certain lifestyle. When they cannot do that they will rebel. |
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When I owned my business, I would always tell my employees not to sweat the little things. Some of that stuff indicates their naive nature but I and I'm sure you are more concerned about the legislation that has and will be devastating to this country.
I really don't think people so much care that Mr & Mrs BO go out on a date but they will care as unemployment goes up and the market goes down. Those will be the things that will do him in. |
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Your cottoneyed says it all... BHO thinks he can just walk into a room and it will all work itself out.
Meanwhile, we all have to suffer his on the job training and delegating of responsibilities to Pelosi and Reid. Congress has passed 3 huge bills that had over 3000 pages of legislation which no one read. (Thats because he lied about the 5 day waiting period).
A little lesson learned from my early years of running a business; If you try to do it all at once, nothing will get done properly.
btw; the bumpersticker polling of Northern Cal vs Southern Cal. I was in Santa Barbara all day yesterday. I saw more Obama stickers in the parking garage around me than I saw all week in the OC ( I have only seen one in OC this week). Funny, most of those stickers were likely on County employee cars. I suppose next time I wont see as many because of the huge layoffs they started this week. |
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I think you are right...we are going to be stuck with Chairman Obama until at least 2016. I also predict there will be a serious push to repeal the presidential term limit after he is re-elected by a landslide in 2012. The masses are too ignorant as a result of government schooling and too distracted by entertainment to see what is happening to our republic. Moreover, I don't think the majority of the populace even cares.
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Don't you think that those 9.5% unemployed will start to get a little upset as they think about Michelle Obama and her pricey sneakers dishing out meals for the homeless and $6,000 handbags. Date night in New York. A steak that costs more than their entire weekly food budget to feed the Obama friends. Don't you think that pretty soon the polls will start to reflect their anger that they are tightening their belts to the point that they can't breath and the Obama's are living the high life. I suspect another month or two of this and Obama will tank for sure. |
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can keep setting your watches to the newscycles and the polls. it is genuinely funny watching your hopes ebb and flow with the daily news.
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and so goes the country. All of our hopes ebb and flow with the continuing bad news.
....9.5% unemployment
....market tanking
....debt rising
....bad legislation being considered
As one Junior senator from Illinois once said:
Hope & Change is all we got! |
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"Yeah right, this effeminate *half white*, non natural born citizen is not commander in chief material, not by a long shot."
What do you say, Jillian? Is a public whipping and some re-education in order here? |
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So, we'll hope for gridlock. There seem to be indications that 2010 will look much like 1994. |
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some angst in our resident girls, -8 and droppin' will do it, that and the first ho', carryin' around $6000 handbags!! You got ever right to be "angst"!! |
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"estrogen", runnin' through you, "boy"!! |
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..can keep setting your watches to the newscycles and the polls. it is genuinely funny watching your hopes ebb and flow with the daily news. |
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Took a nose dive this week on Rasmussen (go ahead lefties, dismiss the relevance the that place).
He is at -8 today. |
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President Obama has more courage and dignity in his "effeminate" pinky than you and yours will ever know. you clowns have become such spewers that you can't even recognize the manly virtue of courage when it hits you in the face. |
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droppin' like a lead balloon. 5 points just this week! Hows all that "hope and change" workin' out for ya'!! |
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Yeah right, this effeminate half white, non natural born citizen is not commander in chief material, not by a long shot. He's playing a part, an actor, a charlatan, who "commands" no respect, neither as Commander in Chief, or as a man. When juxtaposed with other true Commanders in Chief's, obama comes up small in the shorts, and "puny in chief" best describes this interloper. After he's through, there won't be another democrat in the White House for 30 years. And it might very well take that long to undue, what this puny little "man" has done. Why is it that this "puny in chief" has to date, spent close to a million dollars, all to avoid disclosure of his so-called vault birth certificate? Someone please tell me why he would spend that kind of money, and who is paying those attorney fees, anyway? If it were Boooosh, there would be 24/7 coverage, with every single anchor out front of the White House, talking about our "Constitutional Crisis", and ACORN, marching down 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. demanding that that birth certificate be shown, and NOW!! "NO birth certificate, NO peace". "Hey, hey, ho ho, George Bush has got to go, hey, hey, ho ho, George Bush has got to go"...........you leftists ain't nothin' if ya' ain't the biggest hypocrites in the history of mankind. Your hypocrisy stinks to high heaven......... |
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I don't give polls much credence, I do however know that it is against nature, God and common sense to try to borrow your way out of debt. That is true regardless of the party in power. I also know people in the words of Bill Clinton 'it's the economy stupid' vote their wallets. So this time next year after the second stimulus and 11 or 12% unemployment you will not need a poll to tell you what people think! You are just getting a preview of what is coming. |
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Next year at this time Obama may be down to a 10% approval rating all the way around and Vlad will tell you that you do not understand the polls. |
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"People now see the mistake they made with their vote."
Huh? His approval rating is HIGHER than his vote margin. Sounds like precisely the opposite of what you're saying. |
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Obama has now proved himself. He has proven that although they claimed that he had escaped the Chicago machine of crooked politics is not true. He has proven that he has not got a clue how to govern but he knows how to be a self serving thug. He has proven that at this rate he will probably go down as one of the worste presidents ever. |
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"Bush would have sold his daughters to the Taliban for a 60% approval rating." Bush didn't govern with his finger in the air to see which way the wind was blowing. People now see the mistake they made with their vote. |
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Obama has no policies, all he knows is spend spend and the money will take care of evvery thingWhere did he go to school at, the professors should be fired. Obama is a south side Chicago radical organizor, he wasn't worth a crap as a stste senator he wasn't worth a crap as a US Senator and now you can judge what he is like as President. A typical Chicago street con man,double talking as he goes. My brither up in Chicago tells me stories that I would rather not print, hre is part of the Daley machine,I knew old man Daley and for sure he wuldn't be part of that machine
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Don't Tread On Me writes: Thursday, July, 09, 2009 1:19 PM
The GOP doesn't get it.
It is time to renounce your membership in the GOP and affiliate with Independents or Conservatives instead.
(I AGREE WHOLEHEARTEDLY!) Conservatism is dead within the Republican ranks.
Michael Steele does not show a seriousness of purpose appropriate to the times and events.
(HE SAID WHAT HE NEEDED TO TO GARNER, THAT POSITION FOR HIMSELF BUT NOW THE REAL STEEL WILL EMERGE.)
I believe the Repubs are in bed with the dems and they both need to be vanquished with a new era of leadership, ie Independants and Conservatives.
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"Barack Obama entered victory in his column owing to a rent in the space, time, and social continuum."
Well, that's a new excuse. |
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"My ears burned with the sound of Bush critics blaming his administration for the failure of the economy, Iraq war, and their kitchen plumbing, but it seems that the Democrats aren’t really miracle workers, either."
And my ears burned with the sound of conservatives asserting public opinion polls only demonstrate how stupid people are. When did polls become a measure of political success? Bush would have sold his daughters to the Taliban for a 60% approval rating. |
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It is time to renounce your membership in the GOP and affiliate with Independents or Conservatives instead.
Michael Steele does not show a seriousness of purpose appropriate to the times and events.
You can most effectively show your distrust in the GOP "leadership" by voting with your feet.
(Dems could leave the DNC for Independents too in the interest of bettering America, but hey- we know they love the far-left DNC just the way it is...) |
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The Obama Presidential election was a fluke.
Barack Obama entered victory in his column owing to a rent in the space, time, and social continuum.
Without a war that bled, an October financial surprise and a society unable to place accurate responsibility on politicians and their perfidy, Mr. Obama would never have gotten past Iowa much less Chicago.
Mr. Obama and Mr. Axelrod are flukes. Americans are revolted by their inner values and their eyewash, won't wash as citizens see the folly of these collectivists and slide away from them as easily as they themselves slid up to victory.
You can sense it in the streets and the mini markets, the auto dealerships and the hospital cafeterias, it is now beyond the frenzy that allowed swayed voters to vote for the Administration in November.
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