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fluffy fuzzball in your clinical approach. I respect your giving the poisonous little bug a chance to dry-out and change. Me, I'm for bringing a Waterboard to Moab and finding the luv in under 40 seconds! |
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an intervention done and done quickly. A month just west of Moab, hopefully, will be a good start. No phones, no TV's, no internet, no Townhall, and no politics, ever again!! Could it be the price of oil, Anwar, Caribou, The Weekly Standard, or "E" all of the above? Who knows? After Moab, intense, sustained, even around the clock, PSYCHOANALYSIS will be needed. Call the man's family immediately. He was last seen at 12:47am. A man's life hangs in the balance. |
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Paranoia and corrosive anger. Oh, and Nuts. Any shrinks here that can give a little read to this true nutter? |
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TS_Missouri 10
Ok, you may be gone but maybe not.
If not, thanks for the spirited discussion. Whatever happens, I hope we can agree than any of our candidates (even Paul maybe) is better than the alternative.
Have a good night, I am out of here. |
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"Btw...you call yourself a Christian...then explain to me how you could support someone who supports on demand abortion and same sex marriage over someone who opposes both? Sounds rather strange to me."
This is why so many voted for Huck in Iowa. All it takes is one pastor to say this and the whole congregation feels guilty. This is the sly way that Huck's people have been bring up God.
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oh, and if you are opposed to drinking btw, "the Romney/Thompson kool-aid", what are you doing on Hugh's blog?
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"I would advise you to do some more research and stop drinking the Romney/Thompson kool-aid."
I would dare to venture that I do more research than the combined comment-ers on this posting tonight. But this is the internet and I could be totally fibbing, which is what kind of stinks about blogging...
and I quite like Kool-Aid. Nice in the summer.
"Hey KoolAid!!!!" ==Crash....==
---that term is used way too much---
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you dont read well do you?
"Btw...you call yourself a Christian...then explain to me how you could support someone who supports on demand abortion and same sex marriage over someone who opposes both? Sounds rather strange to me."
I said that Rudy is the only one that can beat the Dems. However, Rudy is my last choice, or was before Huckabee became a star. Rudy has only one of the three parts of the Republican coalition, that is security. Because of that, I will vote for him. (I would rather be safe so I can prepare for the next life than be dead under a Christian president). Huckabee also only has one part of the three, that is Social issues. However, Huck is very liberal on many things (liberal to me anyway). Thompson is a more complete package but I dont believe he has the guts to run as hard as he needs to, but maybe... Too many people dont like Romney so he wont make it past Feb 5.
So what is left? no one. lets hope the Dems fall apart.
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You said:
"I learned early on that many Christians are good people but have no brains."
I disagree. Nice bigot comment though.
Btw...you call yourself a Christian...then explain to me how you could support someone who supports on demand abortion and same sex marriage over someone who opposes both? Sounds rather strange to me.
btw, there are more then just Christians supporting Huckabee. I would advise you to do some more research and stop drinking the Romney/Thompson kool-aid. |
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TS_Missouri:
Rudy is the only one that could beat Obama or Clinton (and Rudy is my last choice, just above Huckabee before Dems). Our country may want change but Rudy was right tonight, change is not always good.
BTW, I am very Christian and will be at church bright and early (well maybe not so bright).
I learned early on that many Christians are good people but have no brains. I remember a very devout Christian friend say he basically gave a good deal to a guy solely because the other guy was 'Christian'. i looked at him and said that God is no respecter of persons and that he should treat everyone like that. he didn't know what to say.
Huckabee says he has Christian values and that has suckered in lots of good meaning Christians to ignore his politics. Please dont vote for him just because of his stated Christian values. There are a lot of liberals that are good meaning Christians. By their fruits ye shall know them... I dont like the fruits of Huck's labors. |
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You said:
"Fred Thompson is good, but the fact remains that he is the worst stump speaker in the race by far. Tonight in the debate he reminded me of the kid who always sat in the back of the class trying to be cool. He gives off the impression that he's better than everyone and when he rarely talks, it gives off the attitude "Hey man, this is the final word. Now, I'm done talking."
I couldn't agree more! That is exactly how he comes across. |
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If this becomes a Huckabee/Rudy showdown...Huckabee wins.
No way the social conservatives will allow the Republican Party to nominate a pro-choice candidate. Just isn't going to happen. |
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Wow, I'm surprised he hasn't blogged about how well Romney did in the debate tonight. lol I will guarantee you this though. Hugh will completely ignore the fact that Mitt was clearly exposed on national tv for flip flopping by every other candidate onstage. Instead he will post 3 or 4 blogs directed towards John McCain and how he was mean last night. hahah I just wonder when Hugh will finally realize Mitt is a bad candidate and people find his phonyness unattractive?
Oh and BTW, Rudy's strategy is looking better and better by the day. By the time Florida comes around, people will have seen and rejected all the other candidates and Rudy will roll right in.
Fred Thompson is good, but the fact remains that he is the worst stump speaker in the race by far. Tonight in the debate he reminded me of the kid who always sat in the back of the class trying to be cool. He gives off the impression that he's better than everyone and when he rarely talks, it gives off the attitude "Hey man, this is the final word. Now, I'm done talking" lol
Huck - I wouldn't count him out yet, but he is way overhyped after his Iowa win. Wayyyyyy overhyped.
Mitt - Phony... Is there anything else I need to say about him? People see right through this guy the more he talks. From my perspective, tonight was his deathblow. All the other candidates made him look like a fool, by exposing his flip flops one after the other. They were practically laughing at him in front of millions of people at home. He was aweful and now he is done!
McCain - McCain has the immigration problem, but he also has a madman temper. I was enjoying McCain tonight, because I felt he was more interesting in spiting Romney than winning the debate. Once we get past NH, he's not a major player IMO.
Ron Paul - hahah.... righttttttttt
I see this becoming a Huck - Rudy showdown. |
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I am a Christian and I respect Huckabee's Christian values. My issue is with you attacking Huckabee's supporters because they are Christians. I don't see you attacking the Mormons supporting Romney in droves. Or the Christians supporting Thompson. Get off the religion kick.
The reason I am supporting Huckabee is because he reminds me of Republicans like Teddy Roosevelt. He is more like TR and I have always admired TR. McCain is also a Republican in the TR mold.
Also...Huckabee understands the country's mood. The country wants change. And they want authenticity. Huckabee can give them both without the radical change that Obama would bring. If we put a Thompson or a Romney up against Obama...we would get killed in November. Huckabee can neutralize Obama's change messege...and that is what we need in November.
Huckabee is a conservative. He is a Teddy Roosevelt conservative. And I think our country is ready for that type of conservative once again. |
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did you read it? i dont like george will at all, i agree with him very little, but he is smart and insightful. but you didnt see what he had to say...
must be the same with the huckmister. otherwise you wouldnt be supporting him.
like i said, the fingers must be touching now...
so what does the buckabee have that you like? really now....
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I have no doubt Romney will take Wyoming, Idaho, Utah, and even parts of my state, Oregon. I wonder why? :) |
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Now you send us to an article written by George Will. LOL. Really man. Will is the quintessential Washington insider. (Will, btw, has never been a fan of George W. Bush. Did you know that?) I don't think the guy has been outside Washington in 30 years.
I tell you what voicedude...I'll take Governor Huckabee who is actually LISTENING to the electorate over Will anyday. You go stand with the Washington elites during this election. See how far you get.
And I mean, read his last paragraph...he essentially endorses Obama. LOL. And that is who Republicans should listen too? |
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Now you send us to an article written by George Will. LOL. Really man. Will is the quintessential Washington insider. (Will, btw, has never been a fan of George W. Bush. Did you know that?) I don't think the guy has been outside Washington in 30 years.
I tell you what voicedude...I'll take Governor Huckabee who is actually LISTENING to the electorate over Will anyday. You go stand with the Washington elites during this election. See how far you get.
And I mean, read his last paragraph...he essentially endorses Obama. LOL. And that is who Republicans should listen too? |
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you may not be bringing up "God"... but you must be the 10% of the buckabee supporters that are not. so what is your angle... you a populist? what? what does buckabee, the giftmister have? |
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Why don't you drop the whole "God" thing. I never said Huckabee wasn't dirty because be believed in God. I simply said you have no proof for your smear...which you don't.
It amazes me that those who rail against the "bigots" supporting Huckabee seem to be the ones showing the most bigotry. |
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In order to prove your smear against Huckabee...you send us to a blog ran by a Thompson supporter? Are you serious?
I cannot even begin to address all of the lies and half truths listed in that article. Suffice to say...I would encourage everyone to go to http://www.mikehuckabee.com and read the response Huckabee has given to them all. Each one is either a lie, a half truth, or a comment from Huckabee that has been taken out of context.
Has Huckabee been perfect? By no means. But has Thompson? Has Rudy? No. But to claim Huckabee isn't a conservative or that he is corrupt is just crazy. Investigate and don't drink the kool-aid from the Republican elites. And check out some of the positions Thompson has changed his mind on.
btw voicedude...the thing with the Target Wedding Registry...what did he do wrong? Really? They were having a house warming party...people wanted to buy them gifts...there is no "Target House Warming Registry"...so they used only what they could. What is wrong with that? Nothing whatsoever. |
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I almost feel bad for Mitt now, this debate was a debacle. Mitt has never lost anything in his life and now he is getting crushed. I wonder how he will handle this and if he will stay in politics or move back into the private business world.
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ABC did the nation a favor by putting on the Pubs first. The Dem debate so far is gentler and pushed so the pacifist socialist Dems get to talk about national defense. They all gave snoozer answers. The Pubs ,except for Paul-who actually made 2 points on the economy and welfare, sound more adult and experienced. According to the Huck, Laura Ingraham on Fox, the tsunami of Obama dealing with Change is the way to go. Rudy mentioned, change can be for good or evil. The Pubs showed some fight tonight and Fred, Rudy, even Mitt did well. Huck won the rhetorical flourishes award and Paul was Paul. John sort of floundered over immigration once more and showed his tartness as did Huck with his jabs at Mitt. Only Rudy did not attack other Pubs;he attacked the liberal Dems as did Fred. |
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Last one we had pardoned terrorists - based on Huck's track record, he'll do the same.
Dump Huck! |
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lets see, registering at Target Wedding Registry because it then doesn't quality as a gift...
let me get the real links... back in 5 min. (you could easily find them as well but fingers are in your ears). |
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"What's this garbage about Mike Huckabee not being electible? You mean because he's a Baptist?"
I couldn't care less what religion Huckabee is. What I do care about is that he's a populist panderer with a liberal history, shaky ethics, laughable foreign policy views, and he's willing to turn the presidential election into a sectarian war (and then play the "Who, me?" lovable idiot role). At least Iowans ate it up.
Huckabee is a clown. |
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There is nothing there when it comes to the gifts. Nothing.
All of that was brought up by the Dems and the media in Arkansas...and none of it flies because Huckabee didn't do anything wrong. That is why he was reelected in Arkansas. The people looked at the evidence...and saw it for what it was...a smear campaign.
Huckabee is not corrupt...and you have no proof whatsoever to back up your claim.
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Giuiliani was terrific tonight. I enjoyed when he showed some pride in his past moderation on immigration.
On the other side I don't think Romney was as bad as some claim. He was the only one with a realistic health care proposal. But he as also, as usual, stiff and had a hard time defending his flip-flops.
McCain was okay, except when he was trying to be snide. He's the only one who mentioned global climate change.
Huckabee was pretty non-existent. Ron Paul is a nutcase. Thompson was an Ambien.
Now, the Dems. |
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TS_Missouri,
you clearly haven't seen Huckabee's position on 'gifts' and 'payoffs'. he is as corrupt as they come. there is a reason his is no longer a preacher... he likes the world too much.
we lost the congress in part because conservatives didnt want to vote for corrupt congressmen. now they all want to vote for the Buckabee (ask in buck=$$$). corrupt corrupt corrupt. oh, but he is pro life so i dont care if he takes money under the table... |
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You are dreaming if you think Huck supporters actually check or care about source material. They like Huck because they have decided he is the most like them. God help us all if that is true. Hmm, nero played his violin as Rome burned, I guess it's the bass for America. |
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B.Messenger,
Maybe you should go to electionprojection.com and look at the delegate count. After Wyoming, Romney now has 20 delegates, Huckabee has 17, and Thompson has 6. I don't know where you got your numbers from, but the Huckster does not have 30 delegates (Iowa was not winner take all). |
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I am a Huckabee supporter and I know his record and it is a fine record. Huckabee balanced the budget EVERY year as Governor of Arkansas. Over the span of his ten years as Governor of Arkansas...the over-all tax rate decreased. The economy of Arkansas was in great condition when he left office. (Sure...there were a few tax raises. But these were tax raises that either the people of Arkansas voted for or that the courts ordered to improve education.)
Yes, Huckabee pardoned...but that just tells me he took his job seriously and wasn't looking ahead, like Romney. (Are you going to claim that a Governor should NEVER pardon?) Huckabee also oversaw 10 executions. Has Romney/Thompson/Rudy ever done that?
I've read his position on illegal immigration. Have you? Go to http://www.mikehuckabee.com and read what he wants to do. What is your problem with it?
Let me ask you...did Huckabee ever support abortion? No. Romney did. Rudy still does. And you can support that? Does Huckabee support same sex marriage? No. Rudy does. Has Huckabee ever proposed campaign finance reform to limit free speech? Nope. But McCain has.
Huckabee has been a consistent conservative in a democrat state. Why in the world you wouldn't vote for him over a guy like Obama is beyond me? You really want President Obama or President Clinton over President Huckabee?
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I can support Romney, Thompson, Rudy, or even McCain. If the Huckster wins the nomination, I won't vote. I don't believe a lot of his supporters really know his record. Check out his pardons, soft on illegal alien views, the fact that he was listed by Judicial Watch as one of the top 10 most corrupt ploiticians in the US. There is more. The Huckster is a disgrace. |
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I like Fred, but his campaign does not seem to be going anywhere, unless he pulls a 'Huck' in SC. Other than than, he's got nothing. He started too late and never made up the lost ground. Veep maybe?
With his abortion and gun stance, I think Rudy will cause too many GOPers to sit home.
And Huck, like Obama, has caught the mood of the times.
Mitt can't keep his story straight. |
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Fred Thompson picked up 3 delegates in Wyoming today, not the 1 that Hugh is reporting.
This election is going to cost Hugh a lot of fans. |
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I think what NR is hoping is that they can unite around Thompson and have him become the fiscal conservative alternative to Huckabee/McCain.
The problem is...I don't see where Thompson wins. He isn't going to win in NH. I think either Huckabee or McCain will win Michigan and then Huckabee will win SC. By that point...what does Thompson have to stand on?
Like I said...this thing is going to come down to McCain and Huckabee. Rudy though is the wild card. |
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Missouri and Thalle, yep, looks the NR folks are seeing the handwriting on the wall. To be fair, after the Mitt endorsement, a few of them came out and said they were not on the Mittwagon, but tonight seems to have soured them on Mitt.
Iowa is going to leave a mark.
What I saw in the debate is the contempt the rest of the field has for Mitt, which is saying something, as they are seeing him face to face, not even filtered thru Hugh Hewitt.com |
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You are exactly right.
Romney really hurt himself tonight and he isn't going to win NH. Once he loses NH...he is over.
I just find it amazing that the guys at NR are running to Thompson. Sorry...but Thompson doesn't have a snowball chance in ****. He doesn't come across good on T.V. (he looks old and grumpy) and he doesn't have the passion to win.
With that said, I understand it. The people at NR are scared to death of a McCain or Huckabee nomination. However, they are not going to be able to stop it. One of these two men will be representing the Republicans in November. |
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Joe, Think they are having some buyer's remorse at the National Review for endorsing Mitt so early?
Hey, where's Hugh debate post? Others are deciding the debate winners and losers. Hmm... |
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The one that counts - where people put their money into the mix after they saw or heard about the debate.
JM - steady
RG - up substantially
MR - down
Mh - steady
Rasmussen shows same result.
RG was not pitching NH but the rest of the country.
NH odds are now overwhleming for JM.
10:12pm Easterm Saturday
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There seems to be a post-debate realignment towards Fred going on. Jon Adler was already on board, but now Mark Levin, Mark Steyn, Andy McCarthy, Peter Robinson, Rich Lowry, and even Kathryn Jean Lopez are praising his performance and talking him up as the conservative alternative to Huck and McCain. |
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The Change Candidate [Byron York]
I got an email today from the Romney campaign highlighting an AP article headlined "Romney Grabs 'Change' Theme As He Tries to Rebound Against McCain in New Hampshire Primary." The campaign added that Romney's "message of bringing real change to Washington is reaching New Hampshire voters."
Is it just me, or does this seem a bit transparent? It's not as if Romney has never talked about changing things in Washington before, but you get the impression that the biggest change he has brought about recently is the one he made in his campaign pitch on the flight from Iowa to New Hampshire. Did the voters say they want change? Sure, I'll give 'em change.
Romney will be in debates tonight and tomorrow with a number of clever, determined opponents. Should the man who has had to fight off charges that he is a flip-flopper, who said many times that he would preserve and protect a women's right to choose and that he most definitely was not a follower of Ronald Reagan, now portray himself as the agent of change? And then there's the fact that not all that long ago – 2002 – Romney said that his main opponent in New Hampshire, John McCain, "has always stood for reform and change." Don't the zingers write themselves? We'll see tonight.
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=Y2NjZDY5OThlZTVhMD k0ZGZlMDFiZjlhZDlhYjkwNWE
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You really believe that?
Every candidate up there showed Romney to be the flip flopper that he is. From Huckabee asking him "which position" to McCain saying he sure was the candidate of "change". LOL
Romney weakness is that the vast majority of Republicans see him as fake and an a flip flopper. He did nothing tonight to stop that thinking...indeed, he actually looked like he was going to cry a couple of times.
Romney is about done. With his loss Tuesday, you can say goodbye to Mitt Romney. |
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Way to go Mitt, you put one over the wall. Sorry, I meant heck of a "sporting event." |
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You really believe that?
Every candidate up there showed Romney to be the flip flopper that he is. From Huckabee asking him "which position" to McCain saying he sure was the candidate of "change". LOL
Romney weakness is that the vast majority of Republicans see him as fake and an a flip flopper. He did nothing tonight to stop that thinking...indeed, he actually looked like he was going to cry a couple of times.
Romney is about done. With his loss Tuesday, you can say goodbye to Mitt Romney. |
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I thought Mormons were Christians. And yet I see comment after comment of Mormons lying about Mike Huckabee. Then again, I can't blame them. They're all getting their imformation from Hugh Hewitt.
What's this garbage about Mike Huckabee not being electible? You mean because he's a Baptist?. No anti-Baptist bigotry here, is there? |
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I thought Mormons were Christians? Yet I read comment after comment by supposedly Christian Mormons lying about Mike Huckabee. But then how could I blame you. You're simply getting your imformation from Hugh Hewitt, who is obviously an anti-Baptist bigot.
What's this garbage about Mike Huckabee not being electible. Why? Because he's a Baptist? Yeah, no bigotry here. |
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Yes, I'm a Romney supporter. But, even trying to be as objective as possible, I can't see how he was "owned" by anybody or "suckered."
I thought he did quite well. |
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this is why Bush had Cheney on the ticket, so he could make sure he could carry Wyoming. HA! |
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ROMNEY: "Don't mischaracterize my position."
HUCKABEE: "Which one?"
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suckered Mitt in the debate nonight. But there is always Wyoming. |
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Maybe Senator Harkin would not be allowed to inspect the urinals in WY, but in the neighboring red state of ID, Republican Senators are known to gravitate towards the Men's Room. Presumably, the good Republicans of Idaho would be most welcoming of Senator Harkin, even if the snooty citizens from the nation's smallest state (WY) are not... |
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Count the delegates indeed.
Huck at 30 is still more than Romney's 7 in IA and 9 in WY combined. |
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Huck actually got 30 delegates, Romeny got 7. |
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"Wyoming only has about 50,000 Mormons. And the delegates are chosen by party leaders. Are you saying the party leaders are all Mormon?"
What?
There's only 493K people in the whole state.
Even if the state has a Republican base as high as 60% Republican your still talking about a starting population that is 300K, and with 50K Mormons being what, about 95% Republican you are looking at an about a 15% voting base that is Mormon within the Republican party in Wyoming...that's huge. The Mormon influence cannot be played down via deception. |
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And your point?
He lost Iowa. He is going to lose NH. He is going to lose Michigan. He is going to lose South Carolina.
But hey....you guys will always have the county execs in Wyoming! |
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If you look through the smoke screen and look at the facts, Mitt Romney already has more delegates committed to him than Huckabee or McCain. Follow the numbers:Iowa has 40 Delegates, Wyoming 12 Delegates, New Hampshire 12 Delegates. RESULTS OF IOWA AND WYOMING: Huckabee: 34% Iowa (14 delegates); 0% Wyoming (0 delegates): Total 14 delegates. Romney: 25% Iowa (10 delegates); 73% Wyoming (8 delegates): Total 18 delegates. McCain: 13% Iowa (5 delegates); 0% Wyoming (0 delegates): Total 5 delegates. PROJECTION OF NEW HAMPSHIRE (CNN POLL) New Hampshire 12 Delegates. Lets now look at the current projections for New Hampshire. Total delegates 12. If one uses a recent pole McCain is 33%, Romney 27%, Huckabee 11%. Lets add these to the above and see what emerges:Huckabee 11% New Hampshire (1 delegate). GRAND TOTAL: 15 delegates, McCain 33% New Hampshire (4 delegates). GRAND TOTALL 4 delegates. ROMNEY 27% New Hampshire (3 delegates) GRAND TOTAL: 23 delegates, IT SEEMS THAT ROMNEY IS LEADING IN THE DELEGATE COUNT! Doctor D From La Canada, CA |
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For the past month in Iowa...he has been running T.V. ads misrepresenting Huckabee's record...and talking about Huckabee's views.
Then tonight...when Huckabee challenges him...Romney tells Huckabee to talk about his own policies and let him (Romney) talk about his. He then said...stop attacking me personally!!!!!
The guy is a dope. Why in the world is anyone supporting Mitt Romney? Really? |
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First, on Wyoming. Isn't it pretty sad that a campaign that claimed it was going to win Iowa and NH...and thus be on a roll...is now having to celebrate a win in Wyoming? Think about it.
But hey...Wyoming is a state, so congrats to Romney for winning. Come the Republican Convention this year...he will be able to say he won somewhere. (Wyoming being the lone place).
Second...the debate. Man, Romney just got destroyed didn't he? Huckabee went after him...McCain went after him...Rudy went after him...Fred Thompson went after him. Should it not tell ALL Republicans something that all these guys don't like Romney. They know he is a fake. Like I said...rough night for Romney.
IMO...McCain kinda came across as a mean old man, but I think that will play in NH. I think he had a better performance then did Romney.
The winners for me? Rudy and Huckabee. Both of these men seemed presidential. They rose above the bickering. And Huckabee got a great line in on Romney.... "Which one". Classic. |
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Hugh's favorite commentator, 'Mitt Romney: At first I was going to say, ‘hit and miss,’ but I think his answers were hit and miss. (I thought his answers on health care were the most understandable of the evening.) I think he came out of tonight a little wounded; everybody else in the race smells blood.
'I think the dynamics of the evening were tough for him. He must have felt like a piñata – one moment he’s getting whacked by Huckabee, then McCain, then Thompson. Romney never quite got completely thrown off, but I think the assessment in the Corner is accurate, he doesn’t defend himself well enough. He whines about personal attacks, or says candidates shouldn’t talk about others’ views, which is pretty nonsensical.
If you went into tonight hearing he was a flip-flopper, you heard several other candidates say it tonight, and you saw Romney say it was a personal attack… and then move on to policy points. Whoever’s left undecided might conclude, based on the lack of effective refutation, that the charge is accurate.'
A whiner, not a uniter! |
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Even Stephenopolous said, "Mitt Romney did not have a good night tonight." Wow. Romney must be wishing he wouldn't have spent so many of his own millions on his failed campaign right now. Unless he wins first place in NH...he's crickets.
Huckabee was the only candidate that spoke of uniting the country. He certainly looked and sounded presidential.
"Hello, Fred Thompson, are you awake?" This NH debate must have been way past Fred's bedtime. He looked and sounded like he was still recovering from Iowa. Oh, man. Talk about health care issues, Fred has some! |
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Frigging hilarious--and just a matter of time. "Mitt takes a swing, he belted it, that baby is going...going...GONE!!!" |
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Mitt lost the debate fare and square. The winners were McCain, Giuliani & Huckabee. |
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Wow, bringing all the candidates, both GOP and Dem on stage at the end was great, made me proud to be an American. |
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I've never been to Wyoming so what you say may well be true. But, um, isn't Wyoming's Governor a Democrat? Dave Freudenthal, correct? How does that fit with your image of the average resident of the state? Maybe the folks stuck out on I-80 are looking for a state-funded snowplow after all. |
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Hey, a baseball just came crashing thru my window. Mitt must have knocked it out of the park again on tonight's debate!
Best thing about this debate is what was NOT said, they did not mention Hillary, I think they know none of them will be competing against her in November. |
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This win gets 1/100th the publicity of Iowa or New Hampshire - less, really - which is ridiculous.
By 2012, something has to change. |
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won't fly.
Because Romney led Iowa big among projected caucus voters until the Hucksurge - so if the evangelicals of Iowa vote on Mormonism alone, those polls would have reflected that these many months. Romney never would have had that big lead that he managed to throw away by pandering in "the speach" and going negative on ads.
You show me the exit/entrance polls where the Huck voters said they would not vote for the Mormon under any circumstance. That this was the sole reason for their vote - as you claim.
Don't tell me about the "shares your religion" - because a lot of those evangelicals are Pentecostals, charismatics and other groups that have little in common (except great animosity) with a Southern Baptist.
And as to your claim that the same charge won't be made in NH - Wyomingate just posted that the eastern folks are bigots too against Mormons.
If you watched the focus groups leading up to Iowa, you saw a lot of undecided voters went Huck at the last moment because Romney went negative and did not appear authentic
Your candidate has problems - but sleep easier with the persecution complex. |
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Wow, Mitt sounds like the number one supporter of the war tonight.
But he used to say: The Politico writes, "Confronted by an unhappy questioner, Mitt Romney said [last night] at a town hall meeting in New Hampshire that the situation in Iraq 'is a mess.'" |
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Fred just exposed him as the phony he is. Endgame Romney |
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Unlike the frightened rubes of the Butternut states and bigoted East Coast liberals, we're not skeered of the Mormons. We know they don't have pointy ears and tails
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same tired old meme..and insults to all the non-Romney folks. Yep, we are all rubes and bigots.
We're very used to being ignored during election season. We don't care
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Obviously you DID care since you were willing to throw half the delegates away in this attempt to be noticed early.
We know what his core beliefs are, we know what is in his heart,
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You may be the only ones - and you might tell him that the rest of the electorate is not as omniscient in reading a guy's heart. |
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Romney: “[What] Irritates Many People In The World Is The Condescending, Patronizing Attitude Of America, That We Have All The Answers And Everyone Should Do What We Want Them To.” (Mary Ann Ostrom, “Romney: Former Venture Capitalist Outlines New Approach To Immigration,” San Jose Mercury News, 5/2/07)
That, folks, is what Mitt thinks of America. |
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Yes, I think the Iowa voters were duped by Huckabee. They were not interested in his record or character, but his religion - even admitted it at entrance polls. They voted straight religion/anti-Mormon. Hence the brain-dead comment.
They don't seem to care that they put the GOP in danger of being taken over by a man who hasn't been true to conservative values, and who used deception and division to gain votes.
You won't see anyone voting against Romney and for McCain in NH called a bigot.
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I think Wyoming has a very good representation of many of the western States. They vote highly Republican as a State. They have only 10% Mormon and border Utah. If anyone knows the Mormons, it's Wyoming.
Most important, this election, and all elections are NOT about what religion each candidate belongs to. This election is about issues and how a candidate stands on each issue. I am personally looking for someone that is a Reagan conservative and will enforce the border. I think my choices are slim with the current candidates. |
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Wyoming only has about 50,000 Mormons. And the delegates are chosen by party leaders. Are you saying the party leaders are all Mormon?
BTW - see Big G's excellent post above.
Wyomingite is sopt on as well. |
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Best line from the debate so far:
ROMNEY: "Don't mischaracterize my position."
HUCK: "Which one?" |
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Mitt DID support an Iraq troop withdrawal:
Appearing on ABC News' "Good Morning America," Romney voiced support for a private timetable and benchmarks for U.S. troops to get out of Iraq. He emphasized, however, that this timetable should not be for "public pronouncement."
Tonight he is saying he did not!
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2007/04/romney_stil l_op.html |
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Anyone watching the debate - both draft dodgers, Mitt and Rudy are calling for 100,000 more in the military, a military they both chose not to be involved with. |
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Wyoming = Mormon.
But Iowa are bigots because they voted for a Christian, while Wyoming residents are smart.
You people use less logic than liberals, and are just as inconsistent.
Not to mention Wyoming is not even a caucus.
This party is going to laid out, and runover by a know nothing idoit first term senator from no where. And we have no one to blame but ourself.
Great Romney will be our best loser GREAT JOB HUGH.
Change your name to Hugh Blewit. |
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in my prior post about Romney..
But one comment to Richard - good point about the "brain-dead" comments by Mitt supporters.
Romney fans, Hewitt included, are making a huge mistake in insulting the voters of Iowa - assuming that Iowa is done now.
Jesse Jackson never personally called me a racist, but he sure has insulted me personally due to his comments about others.
I am not a Huck supporter, but I am less and less inclined to vote for Romney the more I see his camp insult anyone who is too dumb to know that Romney is apparently the only suitable candidate
Since I am an evangelical, I especially am insulted by the remarks addressed against evangelicals here.
Romney fans - you are doing your guy no favors. |
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Fox News: Romney immigration mailer “not true”
WATCH VIDEO
http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/romney-ad
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Huck did not visit Wyoming one time.
Romney practically lived there the last year and spent millions.
There is a difference, and a reason nobody cares about what is a minimal delegate win in a state that does NOTHING for momentum.
But I am glad your guy won at least one state. Even Wesley Clark got Oklahoma in 2004. |
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To see people falling all over themselves to downplay Mitt's win in Wy. Where were these people donplaying Huck's win in Iowa based on the fact he won with the evangelicals? Mitt has won overwhelmingly so far where the religious base isn't a factor.So what's McCain's pitch to win over a majority of GOP voters?? That he supported the surge and hates Rummy? Neither McCain or Huck has the fundraising ability to go up against the dem candidates.Both are attacking Mitt's wealth which is a liberal's attack line. Everybody thinks they can when an election by being the biggest wealth basher. Have they forgotten that poor people don't create jobs (unless you're a social worker)
Huck's out there with a class warfare line "I'm the guy you work with not the guy who laid you off". Have conservatives become that pathetic to buy into such a pitch? Hard to belive that republicans in general have their tin cup out for government redistribution schemes that never happen. Are republicans really sitting around wringing their hands waiting for the gov't to rescue their lives?? |
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Romney has visited twice, 3 of his sons have visited, one owns a ranch. A couple of other candidates only made 1 visit. Most of the rest skipped the state. So if nobody but Romney basically visited the state, he should have won in a landslide. So it shouldn't even be a surprise about the results. |
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President Obama.
+12 ARG
+10 Rasmussen
Tidal wave is coming. |
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Wow, when Mitt spent a year in Iowa, he was full of praise for their hard work ethic and interest in the issues and thanked them for coming out and being to keen to his Ask Mitt gatherings.
Today they are brain dead!
Does this make Iowans flip floppers? |
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Delegate Race
Romney 26 (45%)
Huckabee 20 (34%)
Thompson 5 (9%)
McCain 3 (5%)
Paul 2 (3%)
Giuliani 1 (2%)
Hunter 1 (2%)
To Date
Iowa Huckabee
Wyoming Romney |
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Just put up on the corner:
Huck and Chuck [Rich Lowry]
"I only could stay for Huckabee's 15-minute opening remarks at a packed—I mean packed—event at a gym in a Londonberry middle school this morning, but it was brilliant, absolutely brilliant. It was one of the most stirring and persuasive defenses of self-government and limited government—including the doctrine of subsidiarity—that I have heard in a long time. This guy is very good, and very shrewd—after playing the evangelical card in Iowa, today he was saying how America is all about "live free or die." If McCain beats Romney here, you have to favor McCain for the nomination, but you can't totally discount the possibility that Huckabee wins it, if it turns out that McCain still has limited appeal to bedrock Republicans despite a win here (and perhaps Michigan too) and if Huckabee can broaden out from evangelicals."
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And probably care a lot more about the issues than the brain-dead voters in Iowa. |
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Rich Lowry from the Corner:
I only could stay for Huckabee's 15-minute opening remarks at a packed—I mean packed—event at a gym in a Londonberry middle school this morning, but it was brilliant, absolutely brilliant. It was one of the most stirring and persuasive defenses of self-government and limited government—including the doctrine of subsidiarity—that I have heard in a long time. This guy is very good, and very shrewd—after playing the evangelical card in Iowa, today he was saying how America is all about "live free or die." If McCain beats Romney here, you have to favor McCain for the nomination, but you can't totally discount the possibility that Huckabee wins it, if it turns out that McCain still has limited appeal to bedrock Republicans despite a win here (and perhaps Michigan too) and if Huckabee can broaden out from evangelicals. |
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Where did Wyoming come from, never heard of a 'primary' there until yesterday. As I said, RCP did not even track it, I guess because there were no 'voters' to track? |
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Other states were penalized as well. The RNC penalizes any state for having their election before a particular date. I think that date is Feb. 5, but I might not have that right. Anyhow, the only reason Iowa and Nevada did not lose delegates for the same reason is because their caucuses have no bearing on their delegates. |
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But right now, Romney's win makes him the leader in delegates. And he's sure to get more in NH. Thats all. |
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some positives...
Romney needs a good weekend, and some help from independent liberals, who are eager to give Obama a break, and not destroy the conservative Romney. |
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elects Tom Harkin, proves that they are several ear's short of a bushel. I do a lot of business in Wyoming, and i find them to be some of the greatest people in the country. Down to earth, no bull, no liberals. In other words, "heaven on earth". They wouldn't let Harkin inspect the "urinals", much less represent them in Senate. |
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The fact is, I'm not really a Romney supporter - a little short on lofty rhetoric.
At the same time, data from the Iowa GOP Caucuses displays an alarming adolescent nature. I'm glad WY is apparently a bit more level headed - Mitt simply rates much, much higher in Experience and Electability
http://christianbass.blogspot.com/2008/01/iowas-homecoming- queen.html
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So now that Mitt secured less than a dozen delegates in Wyoming I find out he has been running a NATIONAL CAMPAIGN??
For months the plan was pour all the time and resources into Iowa - while keeping involved in NH - then once Iowa is a big win, use that momentum to win NH, win your "home state" of Michigan etc.
If Mitt has been running a national campaign all along, he sure has been doing a lousy job of it by spending so much time and money in a small state he lost badly.
And are Romney supporters REALLY going to make an argument that Wyoming has as many delegates as NH - as if to try and give ANY sort of equivalency in importance to the two states?
Even Hugh hasn't been that ridiculous. |
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Wyoming got penalized 14 delegate votes by the GOP for holding this so early. |
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Romney: no more "my way or the highway" diplomacy
By Rick Pearson
BEDFORD, N.H.—Republican Mitt Romney, who had previously criticized rival Mike Huckabee for labeling the Bush White House foreign strategy as an "arrogant bunker mentality," told guests at a house party today that U.S. diplomacy has been dominated by a "our way or the highway" approach.
I guess Mitt nows agree with Huck in the wake of his "outrage" over Mike's comments about Bush's "arrogant bunker mentality"
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From the link:
Romney visited Wyoming in August and November and three of his five sons campaigned in the state. One son, Josh Romney, owns a ranch in southwest Wyoming.
I wish I had a ranch in Wyoming!
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Sarah writes:
"Why is this not bigotry?"
1.Because Romney doesnt tell Mormons he's the Mormon's candidate. He knows darn well you
dont tell people of faith how to vote.
2.Because there is no such thing as Wyoming Bishop's Coalition handing out voter information and sending out emails at church.
3.Because Mormons have voted for many people not of their denomination, and continue to vote for people who arent of their denomination, and dont vote against someone just because they arent Mormon.
4.Because the The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints doesnt tell anyone how to vote, they let a man vote on his own accord.
By the way Hunter and Thompson had high numbers too.
Apparently their are alot of conservatives in Wyomning that are voting for a POTUS and not a PIC.
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We are going to take the GOLD all the way to the finish line! Yahoo! |
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So, this means that Romney has more delgates total and even if he finishes second in New Hampshire, he will likely have a strong showing and will add to his delegates. He is, so far, the only non regional candidate, but he is finished.
As far as Wyoming even being a state. It has as many delegates as New Hampshire.
BMessenger, I think there would be something to your post if there were exit polling that backed it up in spades. |
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They are better analysts than Iowans. They don't think with their heart but they use their minds instead. So back off anti-Romney supporters. |
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as NH delegates...why is that? Part of it is that this is the first year that WYO has gone ealry. That's fair. But let's hope the MSM gives this its due! A win is a win. |
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It's still a state?
Not exactly a top tier win and I wonder if Hugh will talk about all those "religous bigots" voting against an evangelical just because Romney is a Mormon.
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News of the Huckaboom hasn't found it's way out west yet. Or maybe a guitar playing, Henny Youngman wannabee don't impress people as presidential creds? Huck's best hope there was for a Pakistani with a shoulder fired missle showing up. |
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I misunderstood your post. |
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...stop spreading rumors about Fred Thompson dropping out, as reported by Robert Novak, now that Romney's got a state caucus win? |
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Are out looking for Mormon bigots today. How pathetic. Just check out the other Romney/Wyoming blog post. |
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...And Huckabee and McCain were shutout.
With this win and 2nd place in Iowa, Romney now leads in GOP delagates.
And with, at minimum, a 2nd place finish in NH, Romney will add to lead -- with more in Michigan and SC to come.
This is the payoff of running a national campaign.
Go Mitt!
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Watch out Hugh, if you keep reporting the facts you'll keep on getting called "stupid" and tons of other fun names. Better to deny that Romney won WY than to report it to the Paulistinians and the Hucka-bees. |
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