Wednesday, December 27, 2006
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Trevino: The Commentariat at War
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Posted by:
Hugh Hewitt at
8:22 PM
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Guest post from Josh Trevino:
Simone Weil once asked, “Who were the fools who spread the story that brute force cannot kill ideas? Nothing is easier. And once they are dead they are no more than corpses.” She would have known, living as she did in the first decades of the 20th century: the era that saw the triumph of brute force over ideas of good and evil. Weil is invoked today, if at all, as a harbinger of modern leftist Christianity. But this is unjust on two levels: she respected the Church, and she grasped great moral contests with a clarity that the modern left does not. In this past week, nowhere is that failure of the left -- and its incomprehension of Weil's dictum -- more evident than in its reaction, as expressed in blogs and media, to the Ethiopian invasion of Somalia.
As I have explained, this invasion began half a year ago, and is only now entering its latest phase, as the Ethiopians transitioned several days ago from a static defense of Baidoa to an active campaign of conquest. But because this transition has taken the pundit class by surprise -- they don't pay much attention, it seems, to things that are not shiny and loud -- one gets a lot of comment that is the distilled essence of glib ignorance. Take, for example, The American Prospect's own Matthew Yglesias, who has, in the course of three days, managed to write a great many foolish things about this war. Yglesias doesn't care overmuch about defeating Islamism per se; but he is very interested in attacking his partisan opponents. That he appears to conflate these opponents with the United States of America in toto is as untroubling to him as it is to, say, John Kerry. Yglesias demands to know what specific terrorists the Somali Islamists are harboring, and whether the United States has exhausted all diplomatic options before endorsing Ethiopia's war. He then proceeds to spin a theory that the Ethiopian invasion was meant to forestall the deployment of a Ugandan-led UN force that would have supposedly prevented the elimination of the Islamists.
The absurdity of Yglesias' statements ought to be self-evident. Among his false assumptions:
Matthew Yglesias deserves specific intelligence information. (He doesn't.)
The intelligence information that Matthew Yglesias deserves is the sine qua non of rational American support for this war. (It's not.)
The Somali Islamists have not invited in non-Somali jihadists. (They have.)
Non-Somali jihadists have not entered Somalia in significant numbers. (They have.)
There is a meaningful chance of peaceful coexistence with the Somali Islamists. (Given their endorsement of "Greater Somalia," the concurrent re-appearance of "Greater Somalia" insurgents, the experience with every other Islamist polity ever, and the fact that the Somali Islamists declared jihad on Ethiopia some time ago, there probably isn't.)
The Ethiopians only entered Somalia after the UN peacekeeping force was approved. (They entered long before.)
The present campaign was initiated by the Ethiopians. (It wasn't -- the Islamists attacked Baidoa first, following a declaration of anti-Ethiopian jihad weeks ago, prompting the Ethiopian decision to go on the offensive.)
The United States bears the primary moral responsibility for events in the Horn. (It doesn't -- Ethiopia has its own reasons for war, and has a long record of making war as it pleases. Yglesias compatriot and source Spencer Ackerman, who also appears to subscribe to the theory of wholesale African non-volition, outright blames America, in the tradition of Islamist apologist Salim Lone, of having "instigate[d] a regional war.")
Once Yglesias has his answers, it is implied that he will support what he assumes is his country's support for Ethiopia's support for the Transitional Federal Government in Somalia. Or something like that. (Update: Yglesias got his answers, and now concedes that the "Somali terror nexus isn't something invented out of whole cloth." The reality-based community in action! Still, darned if he's going to support this anyhow.)
We should note two things: First, Yglesias' softness on the Somali Islamists is not a new phenomenon for him. He's a lukewarm advocate of accommodation with the Taliban as well, apparently on the theses that jihadist fanatics are susceptible to ivory-tower rational-actor behaviors, and that some really smart people think it's worth a shot. Second, he's of the same class that rather loudly complained of America's failure to "do something" about the Taliban prior to 9/11. Weirdly, that "something" in Yglesias' book was apparently negotiation -- although that doesn't stop him from from taking partisan potshots from the high ground of anti-Taliban purity when it's convenient. Still more oddly, when Yglesias does the latter, it is in a resigned tone: once the Taliban, he writes, "have substantially re-entrenched themselves ... there won't be very much we can do about it except just kind of hope they don't once again start playing host to terrorists plotting to attack America." This is here, to Yglesias, a bad and foolish thing -- and he's right, as it's a bad and foolish thing objectively. The question, then, is why it's terrible in Yglesias' eyes to allow Islamists a statelet in Waziristan, but it may be perfectly fine to allow them one in Somalia.
The answer, of course, is that it's not about Islamism, less about patriotism, and still less about America: it's about the relentless advancement of his political party -- the opposition to which is, it seems, inseparable from the whole of his nation abroad.
It's easy to pick on Yglesias, but we should be fair and note two other things: First, we do so because he is, unlikely the bulk of his fellows in the leftosphere, neither intrinsically ignorant nor obscene. Hence critiques of his arguments are critiques of things that matter and have meaningful currency beyond him. Second, we do so only inasmuch as he's a representative of the broader journalistic and pundit class, which has been doing quite badly in this war to date. On that count, regrettable examples abound:
Der Spiegel cites German print media as joining Ackerman in the belief that Africans do not possess independent volition: "German media commentators ... see the conflict as opening up a new battlefield in the American-led global war against Islamic extremists." (On the same note, the IHT prints a letter from an irate reader denouncing Bush's "illegal proxy war of aggression to topple the Islamic leadership in Somalia.") Süddeutsche Zeitung in particular is quoted as setting itself against Simone Weil's dictum: "[E]ven if [Ethiopia] beats the Islamists on the battlefield -- it will fail to destroy the political base of the Union of Islamic Courts."
The Associated Press pays homage to Ethiopian propaganda with the bizarre headline, "Somali government advances on capital." Earlier in the day, it featured a passage warning Ethiopia of a replay of the "Black Hawk Down" scenario, but that is thankfully redacted.
Reuters, by contrast, exploits the Black Hawk Down memory to maximum effect, informing its readers, "More than a decade ago, U.S. forces backed by Black Hawk helicopters suffered a humiliating defeat at the hands of militiamen attacking from the city's maze of back alleys. Mindful of the historical precedent, Ethiopia will want to avoid getting embroiled in street-by-street fighting." Suffice it to say that the American combat elements in the 1993 Battle of Mogadishu have no real parallel in the Ethiopian order of battle now. Nor do Ethiopian objectives and ethics now have any resemblance to American objectives and ethics then. (For starters, the Ethiopians have no problem razing inhabited areas -- and their inhabitants.) Here again we see journalists grasping for the only past reference they know -- and thereby misreporting the present. Reuters also avers that Ethiopian battlefield success is "heightening fears its next step would be to use air strikes and ground troops to seize the capital." Whose fears? Reuters' man does not say -- but it's safe to assume the fear is mostly the Islamists'.
David Shinn, whom we previously met gracing the pages of the LAT, today appears in the Washington Post, recycling his predictions of a "quagmire" for Ethiopia in Somalia -- and citing the Black Hawk Down incident in his support!
South Africa's News24 joins the Black Hawk Down bandwagon, stating: "Any attempt by the government or Ethiopia to enter Mogadishu would likely end in a disaster similar to the US intervention to create a Somali government in 1992. That UN-sponsored mission ended in 1993, when militiamen shot down a US Army Black Hawk helicopter and 18 servicemen were killed in a subsequent battle."
Meanwhile, news sources from inside Islamist-controlled Mogadishu focus upon reports of atrocity and insecurity in non-Islamist Somalia. But at least they have an excuse: the Western media, free to do its homework and tell the truth, has no Islamist minders to enforce the propaganda line.
So where is the good reporting on the Ethiopian war in Somalia? Amazingly, today it comes from the New York Times, whose man in Nairobi, Jeffrey Gettleman, manages (with the help of Mogadishu-based stringers Mohammed Ibrahim and Yuusuf Maxamuud) to get right in a few sentences what Matthew Yglesias, Spencer Ackerman, the AP, the Washington Post, Reuters, News24, David Shinn, and Süddeutsche Zeitung all manage to miss:
The [Somali] Islamists came to power earlier this year as a grassroots movement that drove out Mogadishu’s warlords and restored a semblance of order to a city that was once one of the most violent on the planet. But the goodwill they earned is being sapped away by their decision to attack the transitional government and declare a holy war against Christian-led Ethiopia. That provoked a crushing counterattack by the Ethiopians, who have the strongest military in East Africa and have sided with the transitional government because Ethiopia views the Islamists as a threat to its own security.
That is the core story in Somalia, and its war, today. If Gettleman is the only one getting it right, it's not because Gettleman is a genius or possessed of unique insight. Rather, it is because Gettleman is neither lazy nor dishonest. Sadly, those two qualities are in surplus among the journalists, pundits, and left-wing bloggers who are commenting on this war now. It's unfortunate, and foolish: but then, it's long past time for us to give up expecting them to view the world through the lens of American -- or even self -- interest.
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"Non-Somali jihadists have not entered Somalia in significant numbers. (They have.)"
Most of them are Eritrean. According to Wikipedia, the ICU has also allegedly recieved material support and training from Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Egypt and even Hezbollah. (Wow, all the usual suspects) I guess when a war happens in a strategic location like that, it draws in all the major players. |
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.....the right cannot offer a critique of progressives without questioning their patriotism. Isn't it possible that people can simply disagree with you, Mr. Trevino, and still be patriots? I note from your biography that you wrote speeches for President Bush; the next time you wonder why your former boss has lost the support of two-thirds of the country, try looking in the mirror. No true leader ever rallied a country by calling his political opponents traitors. |
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laborlawyer,
Perhaps in your over-eagerness to type a dismissive remark, you hurried through the above piece by Trevino much too fast.
You knocked down a straw man by criticizing Trevino for questioning the patriotism of Yglesias. Trevino is clearly not questioning Yglesias' patriotism, rather, he is questioning Yglesias' specific arguments regarding the Somalia-Ethiopia question---arguments which Trevino believes emanates from Yglesias' devout partisan loyalty to the Democrat party.
Trevino was very explicit when he wrote;
"The answer, of course, is that it's not about Islamism, less about patriotism, and still less about America: it's about the relentless advancement of his political party -- the opposition to which is, it seems, inseparable from the whole of his nation abroad."
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Way to go Ethiopia!
Way to go, islamist apologists. Sunk again! |
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Another accurate and detailed report from Josh Trevino. In addition to the traditional print media either not covering the Ethiopia/Somalia story at all or covering it inaccuractly, the story also seems to be over the heads of ABC, CBS, and NBC as well - and largely ignored. I guess when you don't have reporters on the ground it is better to just ignore it all together - at least it seems that way. |
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The US is evil. Therefore, all the evil in the world can be attributed to its actions, or inactions, and ipso facto none of the good. What could be more logical? |
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.....the very sentence you quote is an attack on Yglesias' patriotism. Trevino is saying that Yglesias is more interested in the advancement of his "party" than he is about patriotism. This is so obvious that I have to wonder if you are intentionally ignoring it.
I read Trevino's piece very carefully and agree with his basic underlying point of view concerning the conflict between Ethiopia and Somalia. The point I was making- hardly dismissive- is that attacks on the motives of your opponents is no way to rally people to your point of view. This is the same point Lanny Davis is making so persuasively in his new book.
The attacks on Yglesias' character totally undermine the ability of people like Trevino to make allies out of people like me. This should be of concern to anyone who actually wants to bring the country together in the battle against radical Islamists. Of course, if all you want to do is pat yourself on the back about how much more of a patriot you are than those "soft-headed lefties", go right ahead, but you're not serving the national interest. |
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The concept of "patriotism" is so elastic as to be meaningless in this, and most, settings. Here is what Trevino is saying -- left-leaning pundits tend generally, and specifically in this case, to see virtually all global events through the very narrow keyhole of domestic political considerations. This produces a "if a Republican is behind this, it is ipso fact bad" sort of mentality, which can, and generally does, result in the conceptual subordination of the larger national interest to the interests of the domestic political horse the leftist happens to back. It constitutes a form of analytical blindness, rooted in narcissism, and is endemic to our political culture. That is the upshot of Trevino's argument on Yglesias. Is that to question Yglesias' "patriotism"? Well, not really, though I'm not sure I really know what "patriotism" is. It certainly does constitute a critique of the way he and others on the left go about analyzing our modern geopolitical predicament, and it is entirely valid. |
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laborlawyer,
Sir, you are mistakenly conflating "national interest" with our "patriotism," and they are NOT the same.
I read your attack on Hugh Hewitt a couple days ago regarding his interview with Joe Rago. You accused Hewitt of making assertions which he clearly did not make. You are doing so again, here, with Trevino.
Please, my good man, read carefully what Trevino wrote about Yglesias; ************************************************* "The answer, of course, is that it's not about Islamism, LESS ABOUT PATRIOTISM, and still less about America: it's about the relentless ADVANCEMENT OF HIS POLITICAL PARTY---the opposition to which is, it seems, INSEPERABLE from the whole of his nation abroad." *************************************************
laborlawyer, Trevino makes the clear point above that Yglesias fails to delineate between the fortunes of his Democrat political party vs. the fortunes of his nation in its foreign policy forays---and you are making the mistake of CONFLATING THE TWO. You have also conflated "national interest," with "patriotism."
I'll also remind you that the execution of foreign policy is the Constitutional authority of the Executive branch---which is currently occupied by Yglesias' political opponents. And because foreign policy is being dictated by a Republican administration, Trevino asserts that Yglesias sees our foreign policy forays as a partisan interest, rather than a national interest.
But that simply does not mean that Trevino is questioning Yglesias' love for country.
laborlawyer, your initial complaint was that Trevino attacked Yglesias' patriotism---but now that I've proven that Trevino explicitly wrote that he isn't questioning Yglesias' patriotism, you're changing your criticism to a more general assertion that Trevino is bizarrely not allowed to speculate about Yglesias' "motives." You also moved the goalposts yet in another direction by claiming Trevino attacked Yglesias' character, which Trevino clearly did not do. Ironically, laborlawyer, are you equating "patriotism" with "character" ?
It's a clever, albeit transparent bit of sophistry which ultimately fails because Trevino just spent MOST of a column re-butting Yglesias' specific arguments, point-by-point-by-point---none of which we've seen you challenge.
It's funny that a lefty such as yourself claims that people's motives cannot be questioned. After all, Karl Marx, Daily Kos, Jon Stewart, George Soros, Michael Moore, Howard Dean, Jesse Jackson, European intellectuals, the U.N., et al, have all made careers out of questioning the motives of their adversaries. And most anti-war activists cannot make their case against the war without resorting to assigning nefarious motives which include oil, money, Israel, Halliburton, Wal-Mart, or The Easter Bunny.
You also claim that by questioning Yglesias' motives, it hurts the ability to make allies out of "people like you."
Mr. laborlawyer, if you're truly animated by the threat by Islamo-fascism, then the existential threat to your own life and to your country alone would probably make an ally out of you. But if your fear of Islamo-fascism, Sharia law, and beheadings is dependent upon an abstract debate about "patriotism," then I would conclude that you might make a better dhimmi than some of the rest of us.
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Why is it necessary to start with the premise that progressive commentators analyze global events through a domestic political lens? Why isn't it just as likely that the reverse is true, i.e., that they support who they do domestically because their global analysis leads them to do so? And wouldn't it be just as valid for progressives to charge conservatives with supporting failed Bush policies merely due to domestic political considerations?
The point I'm making is that such accusations do nothing to further dialogue over the issues themselves. Rather they just get people angry at each other for questioning each other's motives. Perhaps you believe that scoring such "points" is more important than bringing the country back together on a workable strategy to combat islamic radicalism. I'm just pointing out that this is just the kind of thing that drives us apart (and yes, I feel the same way about the "Bush lied" crowd). |
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You and I read Trevino quite differently. Accusing someone of favoring political interests over the national interest IS accusing them of lack of patriotism.
I didn't rebut Trevino's critique of Yglesias' arguments because I agree with the critique. Just not with the attack. It is unnecessary, indeed counterproductive.
Your paragraph that starts with Karl Marx and ends with the Easter Bunny is pretty silly, but if your point is that people like Michael Moore are counterproductive to rational debate because of their personal attacks on conservatives, then I absolutely agree with you. My own opposition to the war in Iraq is because I felt from the beginning it was a horrible mistake that would serve to destabalize the region and strengthen Iran; you cannot impose western-style democracies at the point of a gun on people who harbor centuries-old ethnic hatreds of one another. (I also don't think Haliburton had anything to do with the decision to go to war, though the no-bid contracts and lack of oversight of the billions wasted in Iraq should disturb conservatives and liberals alike.) |
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laborlawyer,
Words and definitions have meaning, my friend. If you and I have different definitions about what a "chair" is, it's likely one of us will sit on the wrong piece of furniture.
In your criticism of Trevino, you are asserting that "national interest" and "patriotism" are the same---but they are NOT. They are different. I don't think you "get" that.
Thus, Trevino did not "ATTACK" Yglesias' patriotism, as you keep claiming that he did. laborlawyer, Trevino makes the clear point above that Yglesias fails to delineate between the fortunes of his Democrat political party vs. the fortunes of his nation in its foreign policy forays---and you are making the mistake of CONFLATING THE TWO, in addition to conflating "national interest," with "patriotism."
I'll also remind you that the execution of foreign policy is the Constitutional authority of the Executive branch---which is currently occupied by Yglesias' political opponents. And because foreign policy is being dictated by a Republican administration, Trevino asserts that Yglesias sees our foreign policy forays as a partisan interest, rather than a national interest.
But that simply does not mean that Trevino is questioning Yglesias' love for country.
"National interest" and "patriotism" are simply not the same, Sir, and I think it's dishonest of you to assert that they are. It's also dishonest of you to also claim that Trevino attacked Yglesias' "character," when indeed, Trevino merely attacked Yglesias' arguments.
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....to Trevino here:
http://www.matthewyglesias.com/archives/2006/12/yes_its_policy/#more
I thought it fair to link to Yglesias since Yglesias links to Trevino.
one hot minute, I think you and I are simply going to have to agree to disagree, as we read Trevino very differently. I leave it to others to decide for themselves. If I've gotten people to think a bit more about civility in debate, then my purpose has been served. |
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laborlawyer,
We are all entitled to form our own opinions, but we're not entitled to form our own facts. Facts exist independent of us, Sir.
What has happened, is you're confused by the meaning within the following statement by Trevino:
"The answer, of course, is that it's not about Islamism, LESS ABOUT PATRIOTISM, and still less about America: it's about the relentless ADVANCEMENT OF HIS POLITICAL PARTY---the opposition to which is, it seems, INSEPERABLE from the whole of his nation abroad."
I'll say it again, it is not an attack on Yglesias' patriotism, and Trevino even goes out of his way to be clear about that.
But laborlawyer, your tactic of redefining the definitions of words in order to misrepresent what Trevino has written is a little Orwellian. Your claim that the "national interest" has the SAME meaning as "patriotism" is not merely a difference of opinion, rather, it is your failure to understand the definition of particular words. You might as well assert that what I call a "microwave oven," you refer to as a "telephone,"---or that Santa Claus is the same thing as the Easter Bunny.
You employed a similar tactic in another recent thread when you slammed Hugh Hewitt a couple days ago regarding his interview with Joe Rago, by stating that Hewitt made assertions about journalism which Hugh simply did not even make.
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ONLY ANGER AND HATE CAN SAVE AMERICA
By: Charles Jines, December 28, 2006 http://www.globalconservative.com
The title alone is enough to send Liberals ablaze. This is why we are doomed to fail in Iraq. Liberals can’t take the title, let alone the reality it represents. In this world we do not have the luxury of making up our own reality, our own little land of make believe. We live in the real world that operates from certain truths we cannot escape.
When I was growing up I learned many things about life on the playground. I learned that some people are animals, nothing more than vicious animals that cannot be reasoned with. Toward the end of each school day, I began to chart the safest route to get home. Like the real world, my playground had many bullies. I spent most of my elementary years running away and living in fear.
Then I began to get angry. Then I learned how to hate, and one day I had enough. I was not going to run away any more. When that bully came at me, I stood my ground for the first time. I beat his face to a pulp in front of a large crowd. I beat his face without mercy. I held no quarter. My hands were swollen and his face looked like it had been put through a meat grinder.
I spent the rest of my school days in peace. No one wanted to mess with me and chose weaker people to pick on.
In the world of reality animals smell weakness a mile away. These Muslim animals smelled weakness when Clinton pulled out of Somalia. They smelled weakness when nothing was done after the first Trade Center bombing. They smell weakness when they read our newspapers. They smell weakness when we elected Liberals to the majority position. They smell weakness when we ask Sandra Day O’Conner what she thinks we should do in Iraq. They smell weakness when we charge our boys with murder for doing what needs to be done.
In war you have to hate the enemy. You have to view them as nothing more than a piece of human waste. You have to strike without mercy, without remorse, and without fear. Anything less than that will bring the wolves to the table. This idea of a softer, gentler, kinder war will not bring victory. What this will bring are the American people one day getting up out of bed to go to work, only to discover that New York City is no more. |
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Perhaps we could eventually remove the "guest post" bit? Great post.
Laborlawyer doesn't get it because he/she doesn't want to. Saying that someone would put party over national interest doesn't mean they don't think they're patriotic, it just means they think that supporting the party at home is more patriotic than supporting the national interest abroad. Sure, it ends up appearing unpatriotic, but we can all admit it isn't in Yglesias mind. I'm fairly certain laborlayer thinks they're a patriot as well. |
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Charles, You are correct that; "This idea of a softer, gentler, kinder war will not bring victory." However, hating your enemy will not win a war. Respecting your enemy is probably the only way to know them well enough to defeat them, especially while you are financing them. That being said, I'll admit that I hate our enemies. Good thing I'm not a General. "These Muslim animals" also smell weakness when our two parties attack each other. There are more than enough one party governments in this world. If you want to win this war, then know your enemy well enough to know where to strike without mercy. And respect your allies enough to know who they are, and stop calling them the enemy. This war will not be won on the ground in Iraq. We have the worlds best military, and they have done a magnificent job. But the only way to win a shooting war is to take and hold ground. We have always known we had no intention of holding the ground. We will actually do the "softer, gentler, kinder war". We'll beat the crap out of them, then we'll dust them off, bandage them up, give them a bunch of money, and go home. And in no time at all the Islamist will take over and kill all of the good people we leave behind. They are after all a one party system. They'll then take all the wealth that we left them, and use it against us. |
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