Friday, October 26, 2007
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An Open Letter to Rep. Ron Paul
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Posted by:
Michael Medved at
6:30 PM
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Dear Congressman Paul:
Your Presidential campaign has drawn the enthusiastic support of an imposing collection of Neo-Nazis, White Supremacists, Holocaust Deniers, 9/11 “Truthers” and other paranoid and discredited conspiracists.
Do you welcome- or repudiate – the support of such factions?
More specifically, your columns have been featured for several years in the American Free Press –a publication of the nation’s leading Holocaust Denier and anti-Semitic agitator, Willis Carto. His book club even recommends works that glorify the Nazi SS, and glowingly describe the “comforts and amenities” provided for inmates of Auschwitz.
Have your columns appeared in the American Free Press with your knowledge and approval?
As a Presidential candidate, will you now disassociate yourself, clearly and publicly, from the poisonous propaganda promoted in such publications?
As a guest on my syndicated radio show, you answered my questions directly and fearlessly.
Will you now answer these pressing questions, and eliminate all associations between your campaign and some of the most loathsome fringe groups in American society?
Along with my listeners (and many of your own supporters), I eagerly await your response.
Respectfully, Michael Medved
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It's really up to Sen. McCain. If he wants our votes, he has to earn them.
He said he heard us after the last amnesty fight. He heard two things right. We want the border secured and we don't trust them. There apparently was alot he didn't hear.
He hired Juan Hernandez, who represents foreign nationals illegally in our country as his hispanic outreach, instead of reaching out to someone from "You Don't Speak For Me" a group of citizens of hispanic descent who oppose illegal aliens.
He said a couple of weeks ago he would sign McCain/Kennedy if it were put on his desk.
If he wants my vote, there are a couple of things he could do.
1. Publicly dismiss and disavow Juan Hernandez and the Reconquista for which he stands.
2. Apologize for conspiring in secret with La Raza and Ted Kennedy and trying to jam amnesty down our throats.
3. Pledge to veto ANY amnesty bill.
4. Pledge to enforce the laws, including deportation, which is the penalty for illegal aliens.
It's up to Sen. McCain, he can represent the interests of American citizens and uphold the rule of law or he can continue to court the favor of liberals and illegal aliens.
I will not vote for the latter.
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I can not believe anyone would try to smear Ron Paul(It can't be done anyways) when he is the most honest politician in existence. Just because some crazies decide to support him for his message does not mean he IS those crazies. The right thing to do would be to accept their donations and support because they are Americans too and they have what they believe to be Americans best interests in their hearts as well. Respect others. |
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Don't hold your breath waiting for an answer.
Thankfully, the GOP would never, ever, give RP the nomination. And if RP is a man of his word, he will not go independent 3rd party. But just between you and me, I think he is lying andf he will run 3rd party.
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"Get this guy off the air."
Nah, GV, leave him on. He's one of the best reasons why the neocons need to be tarred and feathered. Every time he opens his mout about Ron Paul, Paul picks up a few more votes. The only people who listen to this liar and believe him are a few Bush dead enders and dispensationalists. Those people are lost to all reason. No one with half a brain pays any attention to Medved. |
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I've listened to Michael for years. What a huge disappointment to see the way he absolutely refuses to mention Ron Paul, as if there is a religious edict preventing the name Ron Paul on his show unless it's a short, condescending joke.
The neo nazi association is such an outrageous, wildly paranoid, ridiculous, obvious smear. Recently the entire organization behind the $500 was caught red handed as agents of a foreign government, you must Google this: Ron Paul Megaphone. The evidence is clear, it was all a charade. The $500 issue was dropped by the media like a hot potato.
Michael Medved is a neocon first and foremost. If you don't support the invasion of Iraq, and continued presence of our military in derelict duties such as S Korea and Germany, and if you suggest that we should have a new attitude with Iran--regardless of domestic policy you're nothing but a joke in Medved's eyes. Get this guy off the air. |
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Mike: I remember you telling us Mel Gibson loved the Jews and that The Passion was a great work of art. How'd that work out? |
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Michael Medved Smears Ron Paul
Posted by Lew Rockwell at October 27, 2007 01:33 PM
A neocon libel. (Thanks to Frank Golubski)
Mr. Medved, will you repudiate belligerent nationalists, drooling torturers, scheming warmongers, redistributing pressure groups, foreign aid thieves, peeping spies, armageddonists, police statists, welfare-mongers, perpetual war promoters, big government conservatives, central bankers, imperialists, Bush, Cheney, Wolfowitz, Perle, and the other military-industrial rip-off artists? Oh, sorry, you can't: that's your Rosemary's baby, neoconservatism.
UPDATE Robert L. Stephens replies to Michael Medved: "Guilt by association is a collectivist fallacy. It was a despicable and cowardly tactic when the Clintons tried it against 'right wing hate radio' following the OKC bombing, and it hasn't gotten any better with age.
"25 years ago, when I worked on an 'underground' conservative student newspaper, the assorted campus Marxists and lefties were forever making sanctimonious demands that we 'prove we weren't Nazis' as a false precondition to avoid debate. Your resort to similar fallacious and libelous non-argument is yet another example of the intellectual decline that is becoming distressingly common among modern neo- (should be 'pseudo-') conservatives. It's really sad to see how far standards have fallen."
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“He knows that liberty is the antidote for racism, anti-Semitism, and other small minded ideologies.”
Yep, that’s why those types are often the loudest among his supporters. Makes sense. (maybe its some conspiracy -- anti-Paul)
“Neither he nor his staff is going to waste time screening donors.”
Probably not. Like when Paul authors say a shrimp study earmark etc, he can say ‘but I might not vote for it’ though some of his colleagues probably will.
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"4. Dr. Paul is a modest man with a sparkling record and unimpeachable personal integrity. I understand why you need to attack him by linking him to less-than-savory individuals (there is simply nothing else to use), but it is just not going to work. Some of your charges are silly. Dr. Paul’s “Texas Straight Talk Column,” for example, is public record and anyone, from the American Free Press to Cat Fancy, has the right to reprint it.
"Yes, Ron appears on the Alex Jones radio program. But you know who else talks to Alex Jones? People like Judge Anthony Napolitano. Guess who hosts Alex Jones? FOX’s John Gibson and National Public Radio. Dr. Paul has said time and again that he does not believe 9/11 was an inside job. He does, however, think we should always question authority. When, by the way, were conservatives supposed to become trusting of big government?
"Dr. Paul stands for freedom, peace, prosperity, and the protection of inalienable individual rights. He knows that liberty is the antidote for racism, anti-Semitism, and other small minded ideologies. Dr. Paul has focused all of his energy on winning the presidency so he can cut the size of government and protect the freedom of every American. Neither he nor his staff is going to waste time screening donors. If a handful of individuals with views anathema to Dr. Paul’s send in checks, then they have wasted their money. I cannot profess to understand the motivations of Don Black as neither Dr. Paul nor I know who he is, but a simple Google search shows that his $500 contribution has netted him at least 88 news hits, including Charen’s column. Perhaps a better explanation for his “contribution” is not support for Ron, but the attention he knew he would receive."
http://ronpaul2008.typepad.com/ron_paul_2008/2007/11/many-o f-you-hav.html
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Wow, that's practically a direct quote from the Marxist organization known as the Southern Poverty Law Center!!
I guess the Neocon Cabal is really getting worried about Mr. Paul's chances of winning!
Mr. Paul is the only honest guy running, and he is the only one who has a consistent pro-US Constitution voting record. Wake up Medved, the SPLC can't really do anything to you. |
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I had been a supporter of Ron Paul and was planning to vote for him in the Primary. I still think his domestic agenda is great. But after all of this, I cannot vote for him in the Primary. He has a great voting record, and hope he stays in Congress to continue to be Dr. No. But all his racist supporters were just too much for me.
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Just to Clarify Nazi's were monsters. Anyone that can kill another person or help that process is a monster. But why do people become truthers white supremacists neo nazi's and holocaust deniers?
These people are obviously outcasts, and they think everyone looks at them strange and they are defensive (the majority, theres always 1-2 hard core evil people) Dont you think that it would be a good thing for them to get involved in something they can believe in that isnt racist or anti social? Maybe that would change something If a Jewish person a Neo Nazi a Muslim a Democrat and a Evangelical Christian met at a Ron Paul group and actually discussed why they liked him and found out maybe their not all that different. Why push these people out again. All the lobbyist in the world couldnt change Ron Paul. Maybe Ron Paul can change them? Why fight a defensive war when you can fight an offensive. |
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Who here knew who these people were before someone tried to make a big story of it. I dont think Ron Paul has any idea of 99.999% of the people who donated to him. I gave $100.00 to him and Im positive he knows nothing more then my employer and my name assuming he had the time in his busy schedule to look that up. Look at Hillery Clinton, the lady consorts with known felon fund raisers who package hundred of thousands. 1 person is easy to miss.
Secondly Extremist? How about Pat Robertson calling for Chavez to be assassinated. An Elected leader of a Christian country that has not attacked us and has abortion illegal. And subsidizes gas for lower income communities. Dont get me wrong the mans a bully and a jerk. But last I checked neither made you the target of an assassination by to "good guys".
Ok 911 Truthers Nazis Neo-Nazis, people who see aliens, people who want to bomb Mecca, are all delusional. I think when he gets the chance and if he appears on your show, he will state as he has before that hes against racism, he doesnt think 911 was an inside job, he know the holocaust happened. If he says that then why should he give the money back. If those people when they learn (and dont pretend for one second that they havent studied his positions quite well) what he stands for and they want a refund then they can ask for one.
But Do Not pigeon hole people into groups of monsters. All those groups listed are not monsters, they people who for some reason or another have latched onto a very anti social idea. They have every right to hold multiple positions and support a candidate for any of their positions. Guiliani and Tancredo are the only real racists. |
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Any one of the troops in Iraq will say Ron Paul is a joke? Yet they keep posting support videos on youtube. By the way, what incentive would people have to claim they were in the military when reporting to the FEC? Is there a vast conspiracy to defraud the FEC among thousands of people who donated $25 each? Yet, not enough to show up on your poll. Haha. Denial, denial.
I don't know about you Anne, but I actually served in the military unlike Mr. Medved. I also helped homeless veterans get off the streets for three years. I'd like to get Romney to have a chat with some of those old boys. No Secret Service allowed.
I love how people think they can support the troops from a Lay-Z-Boy.
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I would be happy to discuss these matters or any others. Just put me on the show or give me a spot to write articles on this web page. All my information is registered. |
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I wonder if Medved would like to tell that to the troops face to face. No security guards, no nothing. Medved doesn't want to surrender because he's never picked up a weapon.
Medved, you can find me at the Univesity of Washington School of Law. My name is registered. I would be happy to be on your show, but I'm not as sweet as Paul.
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Dear Mr. Medved,
Your audience draws from an imposing collection of Neo-Nazis, White Supremacists, Holocaust Deniers, 9/11 “Truthers” and other paranoid and discredited conspiracists.
Will you please diassociate yourself with these listeners who help to write your paychecks? Also, please be on hand to deny affiliation with them any time some radio jockey gets a wild hair to smear you.
Michael, I used to listen to you.
Don't worry everyone. They have tried this before. Ron Paul is the rock that the wicked and cruel break themselves against. There is no smearing of complete and uncompromising honesty. Watch this blow up on Medved. |
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I support Ron Paul's presidential bid.
I don't believe the 6 million myth.
I do believe that the shadow government controlling America firmly since 1913 orchestrated 9/11.
I know Jews enjoy disproportionate numbers in gov't, media, wealth distribution, positions of influence and affluence, seats in our most prestigious institutions of higher learning.
I believe Michael Medved and the majority of Neo-cons are Jewish supremacists.
I think that the people most vocal about having an open mind tend to possess the adamently fixed ones.
I don't believe holding these opinions makes me a bigot.
I know by definition it doesn't make me a supremacist.
All this being said I have a propostion to any Ron Paul supporter or defamer here. Read these three articles with an open mind. Verify the facts within and possibly Medved's smear campaign will have backfired enormously. These three articles are: "It's the Jews, Stupid" by Edgar J. Steele at ConspiracyPenPal, "Holy Holocaust" by Edgar J. Steele at ConspiracyPenPal, and "The Creature from Jekyll Island" by G. Edward Griffin at APFN. This last article is an overview of Dr. Paul's suggested reading of the book by the same name.
Hate crimes, Thought crimes, are not crimes. Whether or not you disdain the persons sentiments held you should not contribute to the snare that only snags individuals of a certain race or gender. If you uphold or further these miscarriages of justice you are a hypocrite for denouncing racism. |
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According to someone who knows him personally, Medved has a deep-seated hatred for blacks and Christians and is a hardcore Jewish supremacist. And he's worried that "neonazis" want to vote for Ron Paul? Personally, I'm a little more concerned that this Medved freak has so many avenues to spread his poisonous lies than I am that "neonazis" want to support a political candidate. |
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--Now that both you and I have had a chance to step out of our armour, it is a pleasure talking to you. But truly, you initially came off as defensive and I felt I was on trial for having a difference of opinion on Paul.
Likewise! I'll review my postings - perhaps I was a bit too combative, initially. Maybe I'll to tone it down to facilitate more intelligent discourse in the future.
--Nope. From other googles and posts from other Th'ers. They had the same quotes during different times. I couldn't tell you how to find them, but I found it interesting.
Unfortunately, it was one of his former staffers who used the racist language. Paul's error was he didn't pre-read his news letter before it went out. He’s taken responsibility for failing to edit a letter with his name on it, as he should have. His personal views on race are best summarized here:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul68.html
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--"this is a bad batch."
I haven't found it to be. I actually find Paul supporters to be on average much more learned about history and currents than just about any other bloc of posters. Just look in this thread between Paul supporters vs. Anne/one hot minute/Sa86.
--I thought Prager's article deserved merit on explaining it. I appreciated his thought.
Ok - you convinced me to read Prager's column. Here's what I found most interesting about it:
"Conservatives are described over and over as mean-spirited, war-loving, greedy, bigoted, racist, xenophobic, Islamophobic, homophobic, sexist, intolerant and oblivious to human suffering.
Such ad hominem labels are the left's primary rhetorical weapons."
REACT: isn't Prager just engaging in the same level of debate by throwing around labels like "Islamo-Fascism"? And he says that specific groups over the past 50 years have been labeled Fascist. That's fine, but the term "Islamo-Fascism" is a clear attempt to pigeon-hole all Muslims and justify all interventions in Muslim nations. That's how I see it.
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"Granted, I only read TH on a semi-regular basis, but if racism from Paul supporters is as prevalent as you claim, I should have come across one by now."
--I read TH everyday and each night. I am one not to allow a few bad apples to spoil a bunch, but sometimes one has to weigh it all out and think, "this is a bad batch."
"Islamo-fascism is a blatant propaganda term. So is this Medved hit piece. No, I didn’t read Prager’s column. Anything groundbreaking in it or more of the same?"
--I thought Prager's article deserved merit on explaining it. I appreciated his thought.
"Ok, so what is it that I have written that’s so deplorable? What have I written that’s inflamed your sensibilities and put me in the fringe category?"
--Now that both you and I have had a chance to step out of our armour, it is a pleasure talking to you. But truly, you initially came off as defensive and I felt I was on trial for having a difference of opinion on Paul.
"You’re reading propaganda from people like Medved, and Dr. Paul himself never said or supported any of it."
--Nope. From other googles and posts from other Th'ers. They had the same quotes during different times. I couldn't tell you how to find them, but I found it interesting.
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I just got done donating more to the Paul campaign. Seeing Dr. Paul on Leno last night only reaffirms my belief that this man will be the next president of the United States.
He had a great point, when asked why there is such a buzz surrounding his campaign, he let us know that he may have his short comings...but the message of liberty is very powerful. It has been a long time since people actually feel like they have a choice and it is picking up steam. Thanks again Mike for keeping Dr. Paul on the radar. |
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--Because of fans like you, Al. Sure there are fringe supporters everywhere, but not like this. If there were, we'd be talking about those people now.
Ok, so what is it that I have written that’s so deplorable? What have I written that’s inflamed your sensibilities and put me in the fringe category? If believing in the Constitution (the supreme law of the land) is now “fringe,” then guilty as charged. But it’s a sad commentary on the state of the nation that constitutionalists are the “fringe kooks.”
--I feel bad for you in a way, because of your stoicism of this guy and your undying loyalty, how will it feel when he places second to last during the primaries? Or third to last?
No need for your sympathy, shells. I’m proud of my principles and I’ll hold them, win or lose, and I refuse to sell out. I’ll certainly be disappointed if Paul performs poorly, but I think he’ll make a strong showing. At the very least, he’s forcing other candidates to take a look at the Constitution, so that’s a step in the right direction.
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--I don't know, Al, but when we're both rooting for guys standing on the same stage during the debates, I try to think we are on the same side. With your attitude, no wonder most people who are unsure of Paul don't want to be a member of your exclusive team. Perhaps he should have run as an indepedent, because really, he's as far removed as it gets.
I don’t know about you, but I support principles before parties. I’m a Republican, but when the Rs start sounding an awful lot like power-hungry Ds, I consider withdrawing my support. And I don’t want to be a member of an exclusive team. I want to see my team revert back to the principles that won the 1994 Congressional Revolution and the 2 Reagan landslides rather than voting “lesser of 2 evils.”
--To my understanding, Paul has said some doozies regarding blacks and Jews. Pretty off-colored stuff, something I'd expect from Jesse Jackson. Since you know everything about Paul, you should already know what I am referring to. If not, you take the time out to scroll through all the posts about him and find his quotes.
You’re reading propaganda from people like Medved, and Dr. Paul himself never said or supported any of it. But then again, you disagree with Paul on foreign policy, and have already written him off... and like Medved, I suspect you want this story to continue to cast doubt on a very honorable Republican because of his foreign policy stance.
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--Hmm, I'm not so sure. On TH, there are supporters for Hunter, Romney, and Thompson too, however, they really don't try to shove their beliefs down my throat.
Well, I’m not entirely sure where you draw the line between supporting a candidate and shoving beliefs down someone else’s throat. I’m fairly passionate about Dr. Paul, so I opine on Dr. Paul’s behalf. I’ve noticed that you also have some strong convictions that might turn others off. So what? Isn’t that why blogs are here?
---It requires me to do nothing. I don't have the time or the patience to scroll through months and months of hundreds of posts to copy and paste for your review. I gave you a few notorious names out of 20, most have been kicked out of TH, and that's not good enough for you.
I’ve yet to read one anti-Semitic comment from any Paul supporter, and I’ve read many from posters you listed. Granted, I only read TH on a semi-regular basis, but if racism from Paul supporters is as prevalent as you claim, I should have come across one by now.
--Why is it that Paul supporters enjoy splitting hairs to death? Most people don't even use the term neo-con properly. Have you read Prager's article on Islamo-facism? Or does anything come out of Prager's mouth automatically become tripe in your eyes without you checking it out 1st?
Paul supporters on this site recognize propaganda when we see it. Islamo-fascism is a blatant propaganda term. So is this Medved hit piece. No, I didn’t read Prager’s column. Anything groundbreaking in it or more of the same?
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"that's a chilling piece of legislation... particularly the part about the internet."
Yeah, the implications of this would fly over the heads of some of the folks here. They would undoubtly like this legislation as long as the person using it had a "R" after his name. They won't like it if that person has a "D" instead and I bet they they would rediscover a healty respect for the Bill of Rights like they probably had when Clinton was president and Rush was complaining about this.
Funny how none of the pundits writing here care about this. What is really bad was that there was no debate on this dangerous piece of legislation.
For the benefits who haven't seen this bill:
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Question for Medved:
If you want to question Ron Paul's support (which he has absolutely NO control over), why does Ron Paul garner the MOST SUPPORT from the military?
Viva la r3VOLution!
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Is that it is actually Medved who is opposed to Israel by supporting the current admninistration. I say this because of the Executive Orders and passage of laws since Clinton, that continued into this administration,are actually a mirror image of what Germany did in the '30's that lead to WWII.
See for yourself..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjALf12PAWc
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Not only should Guiliani not be in the party, but neither should the neocons. They have ruined the Republican party from what it was in 1980.
From reading S/A86's post I would have thought he would be high in Tora-Bora hunting down Bin Laden. He's playing with something, alright. |
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"But, you better be a little nicer to us kooks if you want us to help defeat Hillary Clinton in the general election."
---Here we agree. I do not want Hillary in office. As I said earlier, I will vote for Ron Paul if he wins the primaries. I vote for my party. I would rather deal with 4-8 years of any conservative who may be imperfect (and I'm not just speaking of Ron Paul) than deal with 8 years of Hillary. This country cannot afford it. I can't afford it, and most of the damage cannot be undone. This is why it is extremely important we all ban together during election day to defeat her, regardless of stoic principles.
"I know that Ron Paul doesn't stand a snowball's chance of winning the nomination. I just hope that a strong showing helps some of his ideas make it to the GOP platform"
---I enjoyed your post to me. I think you made very good points and you came across very well. I hope we both get what we hope from the next 8 years.
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alopekos teumesios writes: Wednesday, October, 31, 2007 12:11 AM
"I support Ron Paul because I'm a libertarian or what was once called a classical liberal. In my opinion, Dr. Paul is the only classical liberal in the bunch. There, I said it. You got a problem with that?"
--I don't have a problem who anyone supports. The only problem I have, which is a different but very serious subject all together, is that if Ron Paul doesn't win the primaries, most of his supporters will not go out and vote for the GoP candidate against Hillary. If Ron Paul won the primaries, I would swallow my pride and vote for him.
"I want my guns. I want to home school my kids in peace. I don't like to pay exorbitant taxes. I believe in small government."
--I absolutely agree on all points. No argument there. I may have share a difference of what is more important out of those examples you gave, but nonetheless, I agree with them.
"I am suspicious of any "War on (fill in the blank)" that may infringe upon our liberty. I want a strong America that is prepared to stomp her enemies, but not hang around to pick up the pieces afterward."
--I am not suspicious regarding this war on terror, except the groups that they belong to. Call me kooky, but as a small insignificant example of my feelings, I would feel more at ease if airlines profiled and targeted people who fit the description of the actual persons trying to kill us en masse, rather than pull a blonde haired pigtailed 4 year old with a Barbie backpack over for more extensive screening. This feel good society will live in stinks. Profiling, security checks and wire taps to the actual persons who fit the description of who is indeed a threat to us is a way to pre-emptively stomp our enemies with less use of our military and loss of life.
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... that is why I stopped listening to his radio show some time ago. The neocons wind him up and send out to do their hit work.
Bottom Line: We all have the freedom to support anyone we want. Why should anyone have to apologize or explain those who support him? Why should Paul have to explain something he did not do?
The vast majority of Ron Paul supporters are mainstream Americans who want to see this country return to the Constitution and true conservative values. Neocons and their proxies, like Medved, do not because they are 'globalists.'
Ron Paul supporters are active duty duty and retired military, doctors, lawyers and machinists - average Americans - and that scares them. It should. That is why they need to keep up the attacks.
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Medved has already admitted in this very column
of his that Ron Paul answered hs questions "directly and fearlessly" on his nationally syndicated radio show.
So why keep up this serial flailing of this stupid issue?
Answer:
Medved just wants people to keep hearing Paul
repudiate these "supporters" over and over until the public begins to think it must actually be and "issue"- since Paul keeps answering the same charge over and over, presumably because he is actually guilty of something or other.
Nice try, Michael, but we can see right through
you. That tactic is devious and disingenuous and hence, beneath you.
I am voting for Huckabee.
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"Podhoretz, Ledeen and Perle are not running for president, none of the candidates they support have years long associations with publications owned by them. If those columnists ever run for higher office, they will be called to answer for everything they’ve written".
Give me a break! We're not talking about simple "columnists" or some random internet bloggers, friend. Perle was on the Defense Policy Advisory Board, Ledeen is a "senior scholar" at AEI (perhaps you've heard of them? ) and Podhoretz is the called the Father of the Neoconservative movement. They are just a small sampling of the nutcase, dual loyalty extemists who have pretty much unfettered access to the two Yalie frat boys who are ostensibly calling the shots.
It will be a cold day in Hell when Mr Medved and the rest of the GOP repudiate them.
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"goose stepping chimp" and "un American" just like his ideological brothers Frum and Goldberg. Now there's a cute couple. The former is not even an American citizen and the other is a 30 something ( Be all you can be in the Army, Jonah ) unapologetic chickenhawk. When called on his BS he responds with grade school insults to deflect criticism.
Hey S/A86, one more thing, the two times I ever heard my uncle speak of what went on in Aachen, he did not characterize it as a "good thing", quite the contrary, he spoke of it with remorse. That is yet another tip off that you are a phony. Show me a soldier that says he enjoys killing or that is is a "good thing" and I'll show you he's either a liar or a complete psychopath.
"Malingerer"...yet another crock.
"What a cruel thing is war: to separate and destroy families and friends, and mar the purest joys and happiness God has granted us in this world; to fill our hearts with hatred instead of love for our neighbors, and to devastate the fair face of this beautiful world." Robert E Lee
"War is always a defeat for humanity" Pope John Paul II
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I support Ron Paul because I'm a libertarian or what was once called a classical liberal. In my opinion, Dr. Paul is the only classical liberal in the bunch. There, I said it. You got a problem with that?
I want my guns. I want to home school my kids in peace. I don't like to pay exorbitant taxes. I believe in small government. I carry a Cato copy of the Constitution with me everywhere. I am suspicious of any "War on (fill in the blank)" that may infringe upon our liberty. I want a strong America that is prepared to stomp her enemies, but not hang around to pick up the pieces afterward. So I'm a kook. But, you better be a little nicer to us kooks if you want us to help defeat Hillary Clinton in the general election.
Ronald Reagan knew enough to sweet talk the libertarians and form a strong coalition. There are a lot more of us than the polls might indicate. A lot of people can't even classify themselves. They just know that the first tier candidates aren't speaking to them.
I know that Ron Paul doesn't stand a snowball's chance of winning the nomination. I just hope that a strong showing helps some of his ideas make it to the GOP platform. |
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Sorry Mike... You have your opinion and you have freedom of speech, but I dont have to give you a platform... You are out of line with your comments about Ron Paul.. Thanks for the publicity.. keep attacking him. :o)
I will be sure to attack each of the advertisers that are on your site and the radio station.. oh yeah.. Your not on in my area HAHAHHAHHAHAAAA
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"And I don't think we're necessarily supposed to be on the same side. I fancy myself a principled conservative. I refuse to support phony "conservative" candidates with liberal track records. Furthermore, I refuse to side with any group that advocates elective, unnecessary wars or interventionist foreign policy"
I don't know, Al, but when we're both rooting for guys standing on the same stage during the debates, I try to think we are on the same side. With your attitude, no wonder most people who are unsure of Paul don't want to be a member of your exclusive team. Perhaps he should have run as an indepedent, because really, he's as far removed as it gets.
"Paul himself has admonished racism publicly, so whatever these alleged fringe types like about Paul has nothing to do with racism."
--To my understanding, Paul has said some doozies regarding blacks and Jews. Pretty off-colored stuff, something I'd expect from Jesse Jackson. Since you know everything about Paul, you should already know what I am referring to. If not, you take the time out to scroll through all the posts about him and find his quotes.
"I'm positive you can find fringe supporters for *every* candidate. I guarantee you Bush had some and Rudy has some. Why is it that only Dr. Paul has to continue to answer these cheap shots?"
--Because of fans like you, Al. Sure there are fringe supporters everywhere, but not like this. If there were, we'd be talking about those people now.
I feel bad for you in a way, because of your stoicism of this guy and your undying loyalty, how will it feel when he places second to last during the primaries? Or third to last?
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"well, the reason why no other candidate has Paul's supporters' passion is because no other candidate possesses Paul's integrity and adherence to principles. Every last one of the others can be bought, both R and D. Paul is different. Hence, the loyalty."
--Hmm, I'm not so sure. On TH, there are supporters for Hunter, Romney, and Thompson too, however, they really don't try to shove their beliefs down my throat.
"So you write that Paul's supporters are anti-Semitic and racist. I've yet to read *any* anti-Semitic or racist comments from self-professed Paul supporters. If I see anti-Semitism or racism, I'll surely call someone down for it. Just naming a few specific posters doesn't do it for me - I'd like to see specific examples. Please point some of these posts out for me. If they're so prevalent, it should require you to scroll through too many posts to find one."
---It requires me to do nothing. I don't have the time or the patience to scroll through months and months of hundreds of posts to copy and paste for your review. I gave you a few notorious names out of 20, most have been kicked out of TH, and that's not good enough for you.
"About neocon vs. Islamofascism - neocon is a legit word used by... well, neocons like Irving Kristol. Islamofascism is the propagandist attempt to link 2 mutually exclusive entities to incite fear and hatred"
--Why is it that Paul supporters enjoy splitting hairs to death? Most people don't even use the term neo-con properly. Have you read Prager's article on Islamo-facism? Or does anything come out of Prager's mouth automatically become tripe in your eyes without you checking it out 1st? |
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and yes, this article is about some of Paul's alleged supporters, but it's a blatant cheap shot. Many Republicans who support other candidates acknowledge this.
Paul himself has admonished racism publicly, so whatever these alleged fringe types like about Paul has nothing to do with racism.
Dr. Paul has been in office for 20 years, and not one single person can find one racist or anti-Semitic thing he has ever said or done. Not one. Furthermore, he's on record as unequivocally castigating any racist ideology. And he's even answered this on Medved's show, no less. Why does Medved insist on continuing to bring this up?
I'm positive you can find fringe supporters for *every* candidate. I guarantee you Bush had some and Rudy has some. Why is it that only Dr. Paul has to continue to answer these cheap shots?
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well, the reason why no other candidate has Paul's supporters' passion is because no other candidate possesses Paul's integrity and adherence to principles. Every last one of the others can be bought, both R and D. Paul is different. Hence, the loyalty.
So you write that Paul's supporters are anti-Semitic and racist. I've yet to read *any* anti-Semitic or racist comments from self-professed Paul supporters. If I see anti-Semitism or racism, I'll surely call someone down for it. Just naming a few specific posters doesn't do it for me - I'd like to see specific examples. Please point some of these posts out for me. If they're so prevalent, it should require you to scroll through too many posts to find one.
About neocon vs. Islamofascism - neocon is a legit word used by... well, neocons like Irving Kristol. Islamofascism is the propagandist attempt to link 2 mutually exclusive entities to incite fear and hatred.
And I don't think we're necessarily supposed to be on the same side. I fancy myself a principled conservative. I refuse to support phony "conservative" candidates with liberal track records. Furthermore, I refuse to side with any group that advocates elective, unnecessary wars or interventionist foreign policy.
Sorry - those are just a few principles I have, and I'm not eager to compromise them. |
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Sam wrote: "Ron Paul is not polling 1% if he is going to be on the Tonight Show with Jay Leno. That does not hold water."
-- From Rasmussen Peports: "For the seven days ending October 28, 2007 show that Rudy Giuliani earns 21% of the vote while Fred Thompson attracts 18%. John McCain is the favorite for 14% while Mitt Romney and Mike Huckabee are tied at 12%. Ron Paul is at 2%, Tom Tancredo at 2% and Duncan Hunter’s support rounds up to 1%. Seventeen percent (17%) are undecided."
-- Dennis Kucinich (currently at 2% for the Dems) and Tom Vilsack (remember him?) have also appeared on the Tonight Show. Something here doesn't hold water all right, but it isn't the poll numbers. |
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that's a chilling piece of legislation... particularly the part about the internet.
I'm sure the not-so-brights on TH would support this legislation. What they'd fail to realize is if Hillary is president with a Dem Congress, she could take this bill to the next step and start regulating "hate speech" on the internet. And believe me, sites like this would be the first ones targeted.
Maybe I'm coming off as paranoid but in lieu of recent events, it's entirely possible. Bush has set a very dangerous precident with his loosy-goosy interpretation of the Constitution. |
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I stand corrected on some of this. You're better informed on these biblical issues than I am, and it's good to hear this point of view from a truly devout Christian. I was assuming most devout Christians were of the Robertson or late Fallwell mold, as their ilk has sadly become the face of fundamentalist Christianity.
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Thanks for lumping me in the group as a neo-nazi because I didn't condemn neo-nazi's; I really appreciate that.
If you must know I believe that there is one race, THE HUMAN RACE. God created everyone equally, and as a result every person is created in God's image and deserves equal respect.
Please, stop attacking people that you don't agree with it's just immature. |
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Ron Paul answered this question on a Gibson interview.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-28-_tv1qg
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Michael sure knows how to bring the Paul supporters out of the woodwork. After reading some of the posts from Paul's legions, it becomes more compelling that Paul answer the questions. |
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Check out this bill.
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h110-1955
It's interesting on what isn't reported or talked about. |
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Based on how little I know about the American Free Press, at least from wikipedia, it appears Willis Carto is only occaisionally published by the American Free Press....even distanceing Ron Paul even more. I mistakenly assumed that Willis Carto published Ron Paul.
So why does the American Free Press pubish Paul.
According to Wikipedia here are some of the policy positions it holds
1) Opposed to *all* Military interventions...basically anti-war.
Ron Paul opposes the Iraq war.
2) Abolition of the Federal Reserve
Ron Paul wants to abolish the federal reserve.
3) Against the federal income tax
Ron Paul wants to do away with the federal income tax.
What other candidate shares this common ground? This is another reason why this is a hit piece on Ron Paul...and nothing but a hit piece. |
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Is Ron Paul Willis Carto? No.
Does Ron Paul hold many policy positions that Willis Carto would agree on? Yes.
Does this influence Willis Carto to publish Ron Paul? Yes.
Does this mean that Ron Paul advocates everything Willis Carto does? ABSOLUTELY NOT.
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Mr. Medved's "open" letter is a SMEAR.
It's equivalent to asking in an "open" letter, "Have you stopped beating your wife?"
I understand why Paul supporters are upset.
The letter was a cheap shot, to help narrow the field. |
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Screw all these loons who think Osama is on the Bush payroll. Ron Paul is off his rocker. |
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Thanks for the complement. Sadly, the Rapture is not a Christian belief that has any historical substance. It is not in the bible (the word is nowhere found or inferred), and it is almost completely non-existent before the 1830's when it was created. the "rapture texts" that are interpretted as such by what you refer as "fundamentalists" were historically interpretted as the big finale' when Christ comes for final judgement.
And you are both right and wrong about what I think should be the bible's influence on foreign policy. I think we don't follow it close enough, is the problem...if we did, we would have minimial government and would be prosperous, and be at peace with our neighbors.
I also view the rapture as a bad interpretation, which should NOT be used for foreign policy decisions....just like liberals have a "bad interpretation" of our constitution in many instances. BTW, fundamentalists believe that Jews are NOT raptured, but Christians and the church is. According to fundamentalists, they get to endure 3.5 years of living hell leading up to the battle of Armageddon, in which 2/3rds of the Jewish population is wiped out. Messiah manages to save 1/3rd. I must add, I believe that these events have already occurred in AD70, when the Roman empire set Judea ablaze, in judgement of the Jews rejecting their Messiah, and left not one temple stone left on another, where bodies were strewn throughout what was left in the temple piled high on one another, and famine and starvation forced mothers to even cook their own children....gruesome, God's judgement is to whom much is given. |
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Does Ron Paul have a years long association with Willis Carto? Yes. Has Ron Paul written for Willis Carto? Yes. Is Willis Carto a anti-Semite and holocaust denier? Yes. Should Ron Paul distance himself from Willis Carto as far as he possibly can? Yes. Does it make good sense (both politically and otherwise)? Yes.
Burden of proof met. Now I have to get back to work. Good-bye. |
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reading due to the idiocy. So according to Anne and others of her ilk, if I support Ron Paul I am an Islamofacist, leftist from Kos? Not one of you guys is talking policy, only the supporters. who's the "kook" now?
As for the "paulbot" name that you are calling Paul supporters, it is a clear case of pot calling kettle black. You are not addressing our very real concerns with the foreign policy of the Bush Adminstration. You are repeating exactly what you hear on O'Reily, Hannity and Rush. Who is the "bot?" I have seen many arguments and some good some bad, but to paint me in the light of a Neo Nazi because I truly believe in limited government and Non-interventionalism is a weak argument. Seriously, you guys have gone off the deep end.
Debate policy for a change Anne, Phil and s/a86. Seriously, none of you have once addressed what the CIA and 9/11 commission report concluded as "Blowback." For once, address this issue and stop the childish attacks. |
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Like I said, it's all part of the campaign – and yes I think it is a disgusting part. As far as controlling the debate, Mr. Paul need merely say, "I hate what he says but he has the right to say it. Don't you think it is important that people like this continue to speak so we'll know who they are, rather than have them lurking in the shadows to attack unexpected?" Romney did it with abortion, he said he grew and matured then asked the questioner if he still held the same beliefs he did when he was younger. Thompson a well. Giuliani has been all thumbs and Paul has remained silent. |
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LOL! You have very reasoned, intelligent posts. In no way do I associate *all* Christians (or anyone else with strong spiritual convictions) as idiots. I do, however, believe (as I think you do) that religion has no place in dictating our nation's foreign policy... particularly when the intention is as nefarious as to cause the Rapture... upon which Jews would cease to exist. This is what many fundamentalist Christians strive for... and, of course, anyone who actively pushes for this is no true friend of the Jews, and gives *all* Christians a bad name.
I know Dr. Paul is a devout Christian, as were many of our Founders. I certainly don't see that as a bad thing - my own family is pretty religious. The problem, however, is when one starts imposing their views on others forcefully. And if one's intention is to push for the Rapture through interventionist foreign policy, that's just pure evil in my view.
I also agree that Dr. Paul's view of government is much more Christian, and certainly more constitutional than the Huckster's.
And once again, as you alluded to, not one single poster has been able to point to one single incident where Dr. Paul has demonstrated convictions of racism or anti-Semitism. Not a single one.
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Paul's supporters certainly are upset about this Medved article. Here is the bottom line about Ron Paul: what you think about him won't really matter in the end either way. The guy does not have a chance of winning the GOP nomination, let alone the presidency.
You can lament that this is because the GOP has been taken over by Zionists and Neocons.... | | | |