Thursday, May 01, 2008
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The Real Question
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Posted by:
Hugh Hewitt at
10:18 AM
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The New York Times says this is the question:
The question is whether Mr. Wright keeps his peace, or raises his voice.
“Its easy to hurt his feelings,” said Richard Sewell, a Trinity deacon who has known both men for two decades. “He’s extremely sensitive.”
That's not the crucial question. The crucial question is whether Jeremiah Wright believes his own rhetoric. If he does, how can he silently endure being branded a whacko by the man he helped raise to some very high heights?
The ingratitude displayed by Obama this week is staggering to an outsider, and must be deeply hurtful to Wright and Wright's friends and associates at Trinity.
But even more hurtful is having your worldview dismissed by a close friend as a series of "rants" before an audience of millions around the globe. I don't think there is a parallel episode in American political history, and I am certain this drama is far from played out.
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dudley writes: Sunday, May, 04, 2008 3:26 PM
Archhole
Laughing at the "retarded" kid playing next door? Arch, you are not welcome here; be surprised if you are welcome anywhere.
arch writes: Tuesday, May, 06, 2008 12:54 AM
Dudley?
Hey nice to know you too. I grew up next door to a downs syndrome boy who was the most loveable neighbor kid I ever met. He played strange games in his backyard in his own world and I observed him almost daily as I grew up. He lived only till he was 17 years old and he was happy and loved every minute of his short life. As we are certain that you support the killing of his chance at living his happy and loved life when he was just a fetus, you are the one not welcome here. I never said a derogatory word about him yet you are less of a decent human being than he by your support of the abortion party that allows him to be murdered at the behest of evil. You are evil and don't even know it despicable Dudley! Watching your posting here is just like watching the retarded boy playing in his yard next door, only you have a sound mind without the handicap and you would advocate the murder of his life while a fetus, something he would never condone! (Laughter) and condemnation libtard!! |
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dudley writes: Sunday, May, 04, 2008 3:40 PM
Neo
The kid's a mean jerk: "retarded"? C'mon, he used it three times, once more than a jerk is entitled to.
Anytime you want to compare ontics, missy, let me know.
Arch reminds Dudley:
I never party with the devils of death like you Dudley. I never advocate the abortion of retarded children like my neighbor when they were in the womb. You support the party of evil and have the nerve to call me out? Scum baag extradordinare!! |
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Hey nice to know you too. I grew up next door to a downs syndrome boy who was the most loveable neighbor kid I ever met. He played strange games in his backyard in his own world and I observed him almost daily as I grew up. He lived only till he was 17 years old and he was happy and loved every minute of his short life. As we are certain that you support the killing of his chance at living his happy and loved life when he was just a fetus, you are the one not welcome here. I never said a derogatory word about him yet you are less of a decent human being than he by your support of the abortion party that allows him to be murdered at the behest of evil. You are evil and don't even know it despicable Dudley! Watching your posting here is just like watching the retarded boy playing in his yard next door, only you have a sound mind without the handicap and you would advocate the murder of his life while a fetus, something he would never condone! (Laughter) and condemnation libtard!! |
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Hildabubba kinda reminded me of you two 'Manning Up'. Ahkmaspitooey and the Mullahs are shaking and dripping from her Warrior-lite threat to "Obliterate Iran" AFTER they destroy Israel.
Jeepers, Hillary! That'll show those bad old Death Cultists. Getting their longed-for rewards in Heaven after achieving their dreams of destroying the Jews. Yessirree, Babycakes, Bad Girl!
25K Bunker Busters BEFORE they destroy Israel. See, that's what the FEAR! Only from Boooosh & McJuan. |
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If they throw an extra c-note at the desk clerk, maybe they can get the Ted Haggard suite. |
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You cuties all rooming together in Denver? At the Brown Palace? (I'll bet) Don't bring no cowboys back to the room, Neo, get more street action than you can handle. |
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As for me...My reservation for a DeLuxe Room at the Brown Palace Hotel has been confirmed. They've assured me that it has a dandy view of two streets...Perfect for riot & teargas gazing. They also said that the shreiks of the wounded Lefties will be sound baffled unless, as I expressed shock, I wish to open the large windows and listen.
Clarity, Cotten,'Hawk and me are eating some bloody cow at The Cattleman's, also close to the Street Action.
Teargas...It smells like...DENVER! |
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You love the smell of your own gas in the morning..sitting there reading the washington times. Denver's waaaay over your head. |
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NO concavities need apply. :-D
Hildabubba & Bazama...Mighty Warriors in America's Huge 9-11 Time of Danger...Oh, yeaaaah, Baybeeeeeee.
I love the smell of teargas in the morning...It smells like....DENVER!! |
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The kid's a mean jerk: "retarded"? C'mon, he used it three times, once more than a jerk is entitled to.
Anytime you want to compare ontics, missy, let me know. |
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ing you that you're not welcome here. How damnably ontic of him, Dude. |
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Laughing at the "retarded" kid playing next door? Arch, you are not welcome here; be surprised if you are welcome anywhere. |
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Now THERE is a word I invented. And 'cootscum, I'll just keep calling you "dummy." |
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Yep, and you'll get to read words no human has ever seen...like,"ontic"...
How cool is that?
And, please call me Neo. Welcome aboard. |
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Yep I see what you mean. This feeding of the leftist troll, patriotic liberal, bears no fruit, yet is strangely entertaining to watch it go though the motions of its masters. Kind of like watching the retarded kid play in his yard next door! (Laughter) |
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Yes. I've long thought nuclear power should have a big place in our energy mix. |
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Patriotic Liberal,
Don't you think it would be a good idea for our nation to pursue nuclear energy, as the Frogs have successfully done ?
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Cha-Ching!! Another $50 bucks in the Evil Cabal Fund. Sweety Pie is sooooooooooooo relentlessly predictable. Moral Cowards tend to be. |
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Who's the stalker again? If you're going to shun me, then show some frigging dignity and shun me--don't go bagging on me to the new guys.
As for Jimmah, we were talking about energy. You need to focus, lad.. |
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There. The more Miracle Grow you pour on The Bloviator, the more he will flood you with bloviations of mythical proportions.
Upside, of course, is you'll be treated to, arguably, the only championing of Jimmah Cawtah on these threads. The always needy sleaze who just hugged, kissed and made nice with the head of Hamas, whilst flipping his tiny bird at Israel. Then, the same Hamas Chief said that Jimmah's smug announcement to the planet that he'd extracted a non-violent pledge from said Butchers, was NONSENSE...Thus, showing Cawtah as the world class clown and embarrassment that we know him to be.
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I know you wish to be not alone in your Liberal failed policies thus you try to blame the conservative ideology to lesson your shame. It won't fly this time as each and every American can plainly experience the pain caused by the socialist libtard policies. What is the liberal plan to get our energy back to affordable levels? Huh? I hear nothing but more failed repeats of the very policies that have brought this on from incoherent Pelosi and other tards. Just like you they try to blame it on the conservative philosophy or the big suppliers of oil which they moronically think need to be taxed more to lesson the cost at the pump! My God a waterbug has more common sense than these miserable wretches that run our congress. You should heed my advice and distance yourself as far as possible from the inept imbeciles leading your party. You seem to be a little reasonable in your mind and posts here, yet are still stuck with party loyalism. Clearly you are not aware of conservative philosophy besides your indoctrination by libtard elitists or you would not know so much that just isn't so!! (Laughter) while picking guitar. |
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When it comes to how we got where we are, it is not a conservative/liberal, Democrat/Republican problem. It is mainly a bipartisan failure to lead. It is still not too late but both parties insist on continuing to talk stupid until we go off of the cliff. Call off the lawyers and get the politicians out of the way of those "e-v-i-l-e" oil companies as they try to pour their profits into developing alternative energy. ALL politicians are idiots in this. We are eventually going to be a global powerhouse in exporting alternative energy services and products but politicians are doing everything they can to prolong the process. How are those wind farms going just off of Hyannis in Cape Cod? Isn't that one-world global warming cultist Ted Kennedy helping? |
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We don't want to conserve because there is no need to right now. Do you want us to go back to horse and buggy? |
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I'm glad you brought up the energy crunch, because it aptly shows the failure of conservatism vs. the prescience of Democrats.
In the early months of the Bush Admin, Cheney specifically rejected conservation as a meaningful thread in the national energy policy.
And it goes without saying that only one President, Jimmy Carter, recognized the threat posed by energy shortages. His forward-looking policies were rescinded by President Reagan's "market-based" policies, which yielded short-term dividends, but helped create our existing straits.
As for your whining about offshore drilling or Anwar or nuclear, it is just a matter of making the case. There are tons of people on the center-left who are not environmental nutjobs. Your team had the power, but chose to expend it chasing oil in the Middle East rather than making the case for an integrated energy policy.
Energy costs is not a problem that emerged overnight, or in the past year and a half. It is the function of failed and wrong-headed leadership, in part the Dems, but basically the Republicans.
Like I said, be a man about it. You guys share the responsibility and you need to go back to the drawing board. The market does not take care of everything. Neither do tax cuts. It also takes policy. |
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"Winners do not win by losing.
Winners win by winning and making things better."
What does winning have to do with the Stupid Party which gave EVERYTHING away. They had it, man, they had it. But they LOST IT. Time to change.
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this and Reverend Wright that, reverend means, deserving of reverence, there is only one that deserves that, and it is "that man, Christ Jesus", even the most spiritual among us, Pastor or no, can ever put Reverend in front of their name, Jesus Christ alone deserves reverence, none other under Heaven can make that claim, Praise his Holy name. |
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What have we won if we elect the liberals favorite Republican and he delivers even more of their agenda than he already has? I'd rather fight a President of the other party than one I helped elect.
He has a chance to come out for enforcement and against amnesty. Will he disappoint Juan Hernandez? |
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on an entire Party Scale is astonishing, isn't it?
When we Evil "Reeps" lose, we go home knowing they beat us and we'll fight(or, better, make $$ in the private sector..)another day. Might bleed a bit, but no finger wagging, superior disapproval of the way the other guy fought. Our lives and happiness don't depend on election outcomes. Our self-worth isn't on the line. With the other side, they lose and it's a nefarious plot by us evil ones, stolen this & that, terrorizing of folks of color from voting sites and subversive, conspiratorial THEFT. That way, they--like schoolyard girls--escape personal responsibility.
Simply put, Clarity Lad, they have come to a place in recent years of Massive Moral Cowardice. It's not just Sad & Pathetic, it's Infuriating & Disgusting. |
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send back the Elvis Kenevel jumpsuit that Jereimah Wright gave him?
Are there any happy dimocrats?
I'm happy.
See you in Denver. |
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You are right on Scarlot Pimpernel. YOU understand the libtard fantasy of socialism. Incredible wealth could be beheld by our nation and it's citizens all if the damn liberal government would just get out of the way and let people earn to their potential without the nanny schoolmarm libtard elitests trying to make things equal. Bobby Jihndal has the opportunity of becoming the next Reagan if he plays his hand right and McCain or the other dimwits don't ruin the nation first. (laughter) just plain laughter |
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Winners do not win by losing.
Winners win by winning and making things better.
The only lesson non-committed Conservatives will draw if committed conservatives stay home and give the election to Obama or Hillary is that conservatives are losers.
Frankly I wonder if Cubsfan is not some sort of dhimmie trying to talk down Conservatives.
The democrat controlled Congress is the most shiftless, least working, lamest excuse for a Congress in the lifetimes of nearly everyone reading this. Their '100 hours' never happened. They ahve not accomplished anything except to cover up criminal activity of democrats sitting on committees that direct business to their family owned companies, kept indicted dhimme Jefferson in power, prevented us from drilling oil to lower gas prices, and kowtowed to foreign tyrants.
Not voting against the feckless democrats because of some bizarre election strategy of winning by losing is to place partisanship before country.
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You cannot avoid the blame. Liberal policies have crippled our economy as our nation now pays over 3.50$ a gallon for gas and food prices have skyrocketed because of liberal green policies. Every time the republicans try to empower our energy suppliers, the libtards block it. Why cannot we drill off shore on the east and west coasts and in anbar province? Your hated Bush tried to get that passed and look who blocked it!! Who's policies have made it impossible for refineries to be built and expanded or nuclear power plants to be constructed? Who's candidates want to tax the oil companies? I submit it was the do gooder libtards!! I rest my case. (Laughter) with green teeth |
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The house GOP to rebuild must dump our leadership and start over again. These guys haven't gotten the job done. Time for a change. |
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it's a non-causative relationship BETWEEN the 2007-08 Congress and those deeper economic problems--the causation being the failed worldview of Boomer conservatism (of course).
Gotta run. Be good. Dig y'all later.. |
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Exactly. The Dems promised to tell us their secret plans for the '06 election for 2 years. They never did. The Stupid Party stood by and did not press them. Now Pelosi's Congress has gotten 1 thing done - minimum wage hike. Where is the hammer? Why is gas so high if Pelosi swore they would fix it? McCain won't bring it up and W speaks only every 4-5 months. It's as if the Repubs just assume that their ideas are so correct that everyone will naturally figure it out and agree. Communicate for Pete's sake! |
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Liberal congress has created the economic mess. That's a good one. Not even the Republicans can sell that one this time around. I think you are better off embracing responsibility for bad government and trying to come up with better ways to lead. It is the moral thing to do.
This time around, some three decades into the conservative ascendancy, the whole blame-Democrats-and-liberals approach might even generate backlash. Everyone knows the score. To argue otherwise shows a kind of contempt for the American people.
During the Boomer period, America became more conservative. Your team ran things. And you ran the country into the ground. That's the story, not some non-causative relation the 2007-08 Congress and the collapsed dollar, massive debt, an eroding middle class. Embrace the responsibility. You'll be a better man for it. |
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McDonnell looks good to me, Lt. Gov. has stepped aside, so he thinks so too. |
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..I just don't like people blaming Jesus for their own shortcomings. |
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The train of my thinking is not particularly elaborate, although I know it is not what you are used to. I am not especially conventional--but I do like to think the gate to salvation is narrow and found only by a few.
For the record, I kind of think you're okay..or at least, I have enjoyed our exchanges in the past. |
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Republicans should start braying the facts about the sad state the liberal congress has put us into. They should point out that since the libtards took power, the economy has turned sour as their hearts and only democrats are to blame as majority lawmakers. Energy policies enacted by the libs have ruined our economy and now we all suffer high fuel prices and food costs. Just another example of people voting for those who would again and again ream the red hot poker right where the sun doesn't shine and promise to fix their screw ups if we just vote for a liberal again. I am beginning to think people who vote democrat are either retarded or masochistic!!
(Laughter) while plucking nose hairs!! |
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I think Obama is another Carter period. Inflation is going to hurt him and the country. We can hammer him on that. Obama is stuck on Iraq. If he leaves and the nation falls apart we can hammer him. When he and the democratic congress raise taxes we can hammer them more. When he talks to awfull leaders with no preconditions with can hammer him more. We him as president we can play offense. Conservatives have been on defense for four years. With Mccain that would continue. |
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You cannot trust the Democrats on war on terrorism and world-wide war on jihadism.
Their ideology on war on Iraq is all flawed, all their calculations and partisan posturing has not been in the interest of the United States.
We have an on going global war on terror in Iraq, Afghanistan, parts of Africa, and Democrats and not prepared to confront and defend properly America.
McCain was right on Surge in Iraq, just his election will send the right message to the Islamic Jihadist, that we are serious in our leadership to defeat our foes. Iraq will not be a safe haven for the terrorists.
This is just one issue that we can say, Senator McCain is the best Presidential nominee, to keep America safe.
Next, will be the Judical Nominees, and the Courts and Second Amendment, and therefore, we can again conclude McCain is the best choice.
Cubsfan? now how could you suggest
if there is any comparison? I believe not, Conservative have to win the war on terror, we have no time left. |
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Here is the Dem/lib's failsafe plan - blame the Stupid Party. Doesn't matter who made the mess although it is usually Dem/libs enabled by weak Repubs. Mix a water carry by the Old Stream Media and a non-response by the Stupid Party and
Voila! instant blame on Repubs.
Good point Cubsfan. |
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What does everybody here think about Bobby Jindal? I love him! He has already won new tax cuts in Louisiana. He saved taxpayers millions when he managed their health system. He is only 36 the sky is limit for this guy. In 2012 will he run? I think the field will be John Thune, Tim Pawlenty, Mark Sanford, Mitt Romney, Sarah Palin and maybe Mike Huckabee. We conservatives need a candidate better this time. We need somebody other than Romney. We need to get behind somebody early so somebody like Mccain can't make it. |
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I've not had the pleasure of exchange with you much. You do conduct yourself better than I do:)
And Clarity. Sorry. You're great too! |
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Virginia Patroit,
I want to win the governor's office back in Virginia in 2009. I think Bob Mcdonnell can do it. What about you? The Democrats will pick either Deeds or Moran. I want to run against a left winger like Moran. He would lose everything outside of Northern Virginia, Norfolk,Richmond City and Newport News. George Allen started the comeback in 1993 in Virginia. Maybe we can do it again. |
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Winning by losing is losing. But that might be hard to explain to a Cubs fan. |
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LDS is obviously an issue for you (presumably a negative one). It is not for me. Vast swaths is a little too broad, but I recognize that some people do not feel comfortable or have suspicions about the LDS faith. I find Mormons to be (for the most part) nice people. I judge faiths by their deeds, not their creeds.
If the GOP had the Democratic proportional system, Mitt Romney might very well be the GOP nominee. If the Democratic party had the GOP winner take all system Hillary Clinton would be the Dem nominee. If this Wright story had broke a few months earlier, Hillary might have been the nominee. |
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I agree. There are no good options. Our best hope is the scenario you suggest, take back the House in 2010, the White House in 2012.
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What is fascinating is how many times the demorats cry, "Wolf".
They cried wolf in 2000 when Al Gore demanded the SCOTUS intervene to determine his worst fear---even worse than "global warming", And that fear?
Only that the republicans had stolen Florida. The SCOTUS did rule, The Miami Herald did conduct its independent recount of "hanging chads", and they both came to the same conclusion---No Foul.
Many Democrats cried wolf in '04 when they complained about the vote results in Ohio. It was all very typical Liberal bluster.
Now, we find ourselves 3 months from an internal squabble within the Democrat Party itself, the likes of which has NEVER been seen. The scene is being set for another "Wolf" cry as part of the party prepares for "stolen" votes.
Is there a trend here? Even more significant, has the childish behavior within that feckless organization been ever increasing?
Final Question:
What has Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid been doing these past two years----particulary during this dramatic increase in OIL prices, WHEAT prices, URANIUM prices, etc., etc? |
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I want people to answer this? I believe conservatives need Mccain to lose this election. I believe this because of economic problems are so deep they could doom the next president. I would rather a democrat be hurt. I want Dick Durbin and Queen Nancy to pay. If Mccain wins they can't happend. Plus Mccain wants amnesty for Illegals. That would be a disaster! Obama is a liar and very dangerous man. He is a Mcgovernite period. I believe conservatives will unite in the midterms in 2010 with a democratic white house. When america sees the real democratic party they will not like it. |
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Are maladroit Kissing-Cousins, pretenses
Follow-up to Scarlet's gracious poetry,
No hard feeling for being left out!
Story of my life! |
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Wafting on the breeze, the shrieks, followed by the coughing, gasping, choking.
Gonna miss all the fun, darn.
Hope they have enough for everybody! |
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Colorado folks, ALL...Ain't it going to be fun watching the Demo-Pygmies shred each other and their candidates and Party in the Teargas Laden Streets of Denver?!
We can eat Venison and bloody cow at The Cattleman's and hear the shreiks of clubbed Lefties...Ahhhh...Chicago...errr...DENVER!
Can't wait to be there and smell teargas from my suite at the Brown Palace. |
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Quite intelligent and pleasant.
Same goes for BrianR, Neo, Paddy, VaPat, Joe, KG, Dustoff, the Colonel, Dread, and Richard.
I find these people intelligent:
LL - nice guy except when he drinks tequila. makes some sense some times.
Patriotic Liberal - smart but terribly wrong. Unbelievably interprets history wrong every time. Good at elaborate theories made from cobbling his misinterpretations together.
I find these people hilarious and loveable:
Briggsy - has a unique grasp of the issues.
Kimberlie - fast off the mark. Does not slow herself down with thinking. Automatic reply button. |
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Oprah, has anyone seen, Oprah, Mr. Soetoro needs you, just a few short months ago, you remember don't cha', girls passing out, "we are the one", "hope and change", the Messiah, darling of the Kennedy's, hey, by the way, where the heck are the Kennedy's, have all the rats left the ship, already, come on buck up, people, you got to get this guy over the finish line, sugar in his shoes or not, just get this guy over that finish line, Kimba, Kimba, are you out there, Kimba, Hussein needs ya' girl, give him some estro-blaster, give him something but get him over that line...inexorably, on to Denver....BREATHE DEEP... |
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complete, Kiddo! The smallest mind at HH has given you his contempt in that tiny fecal way he has. What a microbe on the as*end of this site.
Not worth a micro-second of your time.
God Bless America and Protect Her From Gutless Wimps like 'Hawk's stalker. |
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to invite you to our fair city, the table is being set just for you, Mr. Spagnola has left nothing to chance, you can bunk in our City Park, and then walk to the convention site, your travel arrangements can be made through, RECREATE 68', please come, you can experience those glory days of the 60's, when screwballs just like you were running wild, bombing the ROTC, smoking "hemp", ingesting mushrooms, dropping acid, you know all those things that solid citizens of that era used to do, it's sure to be a gas, blueinred, teargas that is, bring your best hippy gear, free love and mayhem, just your cup a tea, right, oh, and when you get here, remember, BREATHE DEEP.....and it looks as if you guys are going to have a lot to riot about, have you seen those numbers from NC, Barry Soetoro's in free fall, the girl's more of a man than the man, poor Barry, he's got sugar in his shoes.
Inexorably onward to Denver and you liberals just desserts.........BREATHE DEEP... |
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An important one, as you're willing to admit in the case of a mohammedan or a satanist.
You feel that mormonism isn't in the list of disqualifying religions. Vast swaths of America feel otherwise.
What you can't do is say that "Faith doesn't matter unless the person is a mohammedan or a satanist".
Faith not something we should move along from onto "issues". It's a core issue. A huge one to many. To deny this is to want to deny from the most important GOP consituency a thing they cherish most.
While that plays well among the blogerati, it won't play in the GOP at large.
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Cottoneyed is one of those guys who blatts and brags and gets in your face. One thing is for sure: when he is proven wrong on November 4th, on November 5th he'll be blatting and bragging and getting in your face. |
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Don't blame Jesus for the fact that you are contemptible. The world generally, and this country specifically, does not begrudge a conservative. Self-satisfied jerks--that's another thing.. |
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Your comments suggest a freakish preoccupation with reenacting the riots during the 1968 Dem convention.
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Don't read much do you b/rcity? A group called Re-cerate 68 is wanting another dem 1968. Not the Rep.
Were talking about it because this group and Rev Sharpton is saying it.
And yes Sharpton is calling for it if Obama isn't picked. Ahhhh what the dem's have created. |
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So you are totally unaware that they are planning to recreate 68'...a guy here in Denver is promising it will happen....uh...this is left looneys dream come true. Good luck to your sister worried about a little traffic....I'm heading for the mts.to safety. |
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Duh, you cannot agree with me even when i agree with you.
Give your woman my deepest sympathy....because you are a pain.Nevermind,she already knows that. |
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Frankly, I like Obama. But he has obviously not yet found out who he is, and has some rather extreme issues with his father figure Rev. Wright. All this 'disrespect' stuff is very adolescent and unbecoming.
All this is fine, and I hope Obama finds himself, but he is not going to do it in the heat of a Presidential campaign. I don't think he has the maturity required for the job. He ran on judgement, not experience, and his associations with Wright, Ayers and Rezco, plus his recent behavior, show he has neither experience nor judgement. |
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Some people say John McCain isn't conservative enough. But there's more to conservatism than low taxes, Jesus, and waterboarding at Gitmo. Conservatism is also a matter of honor, duty, valor, patriotism, self-discipline, responsibility, good order, respect for our national institutions, reverence for the traditions of civilization, and adherence to the political honesty upon which all principles of democracy are based. Given what screw-ups we humans are in these respects, conservatism is also a matter of sense of humor. Heard any good quips lately from Hillary or Barack?
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/0 00/015/006dgrlw.asp?pg=2
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The bitter wind, came blowin in - from the Keystone state
It lingered there, so cold and bare - to seal my fate
All spring long, Hillary sang a song - and my pastor sinned
The nomination at stake, and the bitter wind
Like damaged kites, those days and nights - went crashing by
The world was cruel, I felt blue, and Michelle too
Then more cynical than, Bill Clinton's plan, to explain way that goo
And I lost you, to the bitter wind
The autumn wind, hasn't even come
And still the days, those Operation Chaos days - go on and on
And guess who sighs his lullabies - through nights that never end
My fickle friend, the bitter wind |
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A better signal would be dumping Juan Hernandez and his "Mexico First", Mexican without borders, Reconquista agenda.
He could have picked someone else as his hispanic outreach director, someone interested in assimilation. He intentionally chose Hernandez to give us sovereignty types a giant middle finger. |
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McCain could signal his intentions by his VP pick. Obviously a anti illegal immigration guy might calm the nerves of some out there.
Gereghty the Indispensable gives his two cents on likely VP picks (newbies and Bushies are cut leaving...):
South Carolina Governor Mark Sanford, Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty... and former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney.
Allow me to offer a dark horse candidate way below the radar: Rhode Island Governor Don Carcieri. Two term governor, pro-life Catholic, tough on illegal immigration and corruption in his home state. Good biography, as a former high school teacher, former director of Catholic Relief Services in Jamaica in the early 80s, and CEO of Cookson America, a manufacturing company.
http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ZDM3MzFjMjU0 ZjdmNWI3YTdiYjE2M2JiMDE5YjU4NjQ= |
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you seem so quick to invoke the name of Christ, yet, you and your ilk, are the first to scream bloody murder, "church and state", "church and state", when his name is used anywhere else, you have total disdain for him, yet, you are quick to use his name to make some stupid left wing looney point, your hypocrisy is only surpassed by your disdain for him,
onward to Denver, muirgeo, will you be here, a teargas cannister awaits you.....Mr. Spagnola says come....RECREATE 68'...if ya' missed it the first time, geo, nows your chance.....and remember, geo, ......BREATHE DEEP....... |
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Pick your poison.
Joe, did you find ANYTHING that McCain has said even remotely like what TR said?
I thought not. |
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Look, I find the guy as reprehensible as you all do and I really, really don't want a liberal in the whitehouse but "We" can't beat Obama or Hillary until November. As it stands now, it was Hillary and the MSM that have brought this Wright scandal to the forefront. While there's no denying the conservative bloggers and talk show host have had their fun with it too, it's still no more more than what the Hillary crowd as done. Let's drop it now.
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those who hate us in the world are all left wing looney's like you, who cares about left wing looney's like you, Kimba, also, go to sacornerstone.com if you dare, there, educate yourself on EXACTLY what, Pastor Hagee had to say, NOT, what those left wing looney websites you frequent, say, also Kimba, have you seen the poll numbers from NC, today, did you notice that one that revealed that 51% of democrats now believe Hussein Soetoro will actually be your nominee, compared to 69% just 1 month ago, my only concern now, Kimba, is will the wimp be able to hold on and beat the girl, at the rate he's falling it looks doubtful.
onward to Denver, Kimba, ....it's inevitable....teargas filling the lungs of liberal fascist anarchists, rioting in the streets, Kimba come, come and be part of history, and remember Kimba, BREATHE DEEP..... |
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"So who gets to decide which church is the right one for tax emempt status, Bernie Sanders,The Socialist Party Representative ???
It's always dangerous for the state to try to get control of the church. Isn't "seperation of church and state!" the made up mantra of you folks?"
Which is why separation is a good idea, Seehawk.
I don't worry about the church influencing the State. I'm worried about the State influencing the church.
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If the NYT had it right the other day, Obama and Wright knew this falling out was coming a year ago. Why did Obama wait till now? Was this an orchestrated Sista Souljah moment that got a little too out of hand. Maybe Obama is just a coward and waited till he had to. Perhaps he was hoping it would slide by that his spiritual mentor of 20 years would not be an issue. (Hagee and McCain do not share in any way the same relationship -- sorry, trolls.)Obama is either weak-spined, delusional, naive, dumb, or a combination of each. In any case, I don't want that man anywhere near the Whitehouse. |
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Last week McCain wanted to distribute earnmarks based on need.
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/24/mccain-earmark-bend/
McCain Bends His Pledge To Eliminate All Earmarks Again: "I Will Judge Spending Cuts ‘On The Basis Of Need’»"
This week he's given up all together and now supports earnmarks! |
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McCain now supports earnmarks!
"McCain Says He No Longer Objects To Earmarks, Just The ‘Process’»"
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/01/mccain-earmark-hospi/
Don't want earnmarks? Vote for Ron Paul not the Democrat John McCain. |
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If "Barry" continues to head to the mat, you'll have to start spelling his name with a "u." |
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Obama looks like a fighter who knows he's lost control of the fight and is now flailing trying score a hit, any hit, on the opponent. This primary race is like that Olympic boxing match about 20 years ago or so Howard Cosell christened the "slugfest!" I forgot the fighters and who won - doesn't matter. Probably like the outcome of this primary race.
So Senator Obama, it took you how many years to determine your pastor's views and words were "divisive," "destructive," "ridiculous," "outrageous" and "wrong?" Kinda a slow learner aren't cha? Great POTUS material - NOT! |
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I think Wright's house is about $1.2 million, not $10 million. But Wright did get a very nice house and retirement package from Trinity Church.
I am sure Obama is happy he tithed all that money to Trinity and Wright over the years. The dividend is about equal to a swift kick to the...shins. |
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I've been a political junkie since JFK vs Nixon. I can't remember a more entertaining presidential nomination process than the current one. And we still have the conventions and the actual campaign yet to come! The recent festivities don't influence my voting preference as I have already selected my candidate based on policy, character and party. Once the Democrats pick a nominee, things will probably get boring, but it's been a great ride. |
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McCain was not a parishioner in Hagee's congregation. Endorsements can come from all over, they don't mean that the endorsee accepts all of what the endorser believes. If Obama had received an endorsement from Wright without the 20 year history, then there would have been little to no controversy.
And a note to Scott: the problem isn't controversial issues in a church, it is his choice of a spiritual mentor that spends a lot of time complaining about (and equating with Imperial Japan and Al Qaeda) the country that has allowed him to retire in a $10,000,000 mansion. |
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To some extent a candidate's faith is fair game. For example, I would have difficulty voting for a Muslim for any national office unless that person unequivacally denounced jihad. I doubt I would ever vote for a Scientologist (I guess I am a Tom Cruise bigot). I would never vote for a Santanist. I doubt I would feel comfortable voting for a Wiccan (yeah I know its just the old Druid Anglo-Saxon belief system), just like a follower of Zeus would seem a tad out of step to me.
But while the LDS thing had an effect on Mitt Romney (and I do think the impact was small), I wish it did not. But you are right, subjective feelings about a candidate play a role and their religious affiliation (as well as age, race, gender, looks, etc.) is part of that subconcious winnowing we do in picking a candidate. It is still important to get past that and focus on the issues. |
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Muirgeo wrote:
"Barak Obama is attempting in words and action to unite this country."
No, he's not trying to unite the country. He's trying to unite all the grievance-mongers, the welfare-worshippers, the parasites -- in short, he's trying to unite all those who want government to further initiate the use of force against taxpayers and businesses to so they can have ever-more unearned economic benefits.
He's telling them that if they will all unite behind one candidate, they'll be such an enormous mob the nation's taxpayers and businesses won't stand a chance against them.
That's his idea of unity. |
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re: revoking tax exempt status.
So who gets to decide which church is the right one for tax emempt status, Bernie Sanders,The Socialist Party Representative ???
It's always dangerous for the state to try to get control of the church. Isn't "seperation of church and state!" the made up mantra of you folks?
(not found in the Constitution but in a letter from Thomas Jefferson to the Danbury Baptist Church in reference to setting up a particular denomination to be "the church" of the state,Connecticut) |
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McCain and Republicans should pull the rug out from underneath Democrats with some kind of a sweeping education program for depressed areas.
Colin Powell, his wife, and Mort Kondracke's wife head a foundation that recently released a report (or study) revealing that in the country's 50 largest cities the drop-out rate is something like 50%. And yet the per-student expenditures in many of those cities are very high.
It's time to stop pouring money down black holes that are administered by a lot of left-wing losers nationwide who squander the resources they're given. I say declare it national emergency, preempt the area, and implement whatever Powell might suggest. Whatever it takes, find a way to circumvent these ineffective people and follow through on a promise to educate and save a generation. Just pull the plug on the existing bureaucracies of poverty merchants. |
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If Obama is wounded, and the delegates still, still give this incompetent Messiah the nomination, then what? Do the Hil feminists still support him without any rancor? Is Hil really out of this or will she and Bubba still steal the nomination? If so, well Rush thinks blacks will still go down the line to vote for the very Party that has dissed them since LBJ. If it is true that ole John picks up some Indies and maybe, maybe some Reagan Dems, how does this affect down ticket races? Sorry but the Pubs have 29 unfilled seats just to defend. In NJ there is always a trend that the resident Dem is in trouble until Nov. when the zombies always elect any Dem who is a warm body. So, when will the RNC and ole John actually start to campaign for a united Pub Party stance against these socialist pacifists? That is the real political question for anti-Dem voters. |
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And to our great blessing, we have as a candiate John McCain, who, for every one pouting monomaniac throwing a tantrum, will bring over dozens of independents and Regan democrats.
GOP in a landslide with long down-ticket coattails.
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Of course. It's part of his belief system and very indicative of what will inform his decisions.
Romney's Mormonism was one of the many reasons he was rejected by the people. So is Caanan Banana Obama's church of black supremacism. So would an atheist's. It's all part of the package.
We can lie to ourselves and pretend that these things don't matter, but they do matter, in varying degrees to different groups of people, but they matter.
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The "Now and Then" post almost made me lose bladder control.
As for the disappearance of supporters, the Wall Street Journal has an article asking just that today:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120959982358857837.html?mod =todays_columnists
There was a comment about Hagee and Parsons. I say have the IRS look into the churches of Wright and both of those guys and get the tax-exempt status for each church revoked. Then, we'll see how all three churches like paying income tax at the highest corporate tax rate on all their contributions from congregants.
But regarding any analogy between Obama-Wright and McCain-Hagee/Parson, there's no comparison. If there were, the "in-the-tank" media would be making a huge stink about it. It's been raised several times, and it goes nowhere because, as a practical matter, it's like Hamas endorsing Obama. I have heard that McCain supposedly sought Hagee's endorsement, but I think (I may be wrong) that it was explained away as the inquiry of some surrogate. The relationship still isn't there. Keep bringing it up. There are not shortage of media personnel who'd love to dump on McCain for it, but it never goes anywhere. |
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I had a Democrat for a Sunday School teacher once and had to leave his class when he began to bring in his Marixist good/bad,bad Republicans bulloney.....you cannot be in a church that spews that rhetoric unless you believe it too. |
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...if saying things that politicians find incovenient or contrary to their interests in a political campaign is something a person should aplogize for, let the members of America's media start lining up behind the good reverend for the world's longest and loudest mea culpa chorus. |
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I agree with nearly NONE of what I've heard Wright say --particularly that black children have genetically different learning capabilities relative to white children-- and I scratch my head over the wisdom and polity of some of his flourishes --mocking JFK's accent, by referring to the most inspiring line of the speech you note below.
Nonetheless, I think he's certainly on more solid ground defending himself and his views than Obama is trying to finesse his way out of acknowledging what has probably been a positive and nourishing relationship for him and his family over the years.
Indeed, I further agree with Rev. Wright that he is doing what he does as a preacher, and hasn't wavered, while Obama has done what politicians think they need to do, including a bit of hemming, hawing and harrumphing --things a person should be far less proud of. Wright is obviously a man of learning and accomplishment, who speaks his mind and stands his ground, and in that I see nothing for him to apologize for. |
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"Now and Then
March - Obama says he cannot disown Wright.
April - Yes, I can!"
Leaving aside the fact that after Obama defended the good work he did, Wright decided to repay the favor by taking the podium and firing off another over the top conspiracy-minded rant topping it off with racialist nonsense and allusions that Obama was a liar. |
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Still waiting for Oprah to stand by her Obama man. Where is she?
Where is Teddy Kennedy? Or Carolyn, who gave Obama public support?
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What's equally scary is Hillary believes her own lies too. |
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March - Obama says he cannot disown Wright.
April - Yes, I can! |
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Thank you for your graciousness to others in the faith. Many teachers of end times such as Pastor Hagee speculate on what will the world system that tries to wipe out all believers of Christ and the decendants of Jacob......some have held that could be part of organized religion such as the Catholic Church. As the end of time approaches I see it as the global worship of the earth, that is deceiving the whole world and will cause the world to worship the Anti-Christ or "the beast"and the "false prophet" could well be Al Gore. |
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Scott:
Perhaps you missed the fun here at Hugh Hewitt during the GOP nomination process, but various persons challenged Mitt Romney over his faith all the time. It was frankly disgusting and bigotted (and I say that as someone who was no fan of Romney for the nomination).
But make no mistake about Rev. Jeremiah Wright. When someone says Hiroshima is the equivalent of 9/11, I have a problem with that (of course the correct analogy is Pearl Harbor was the equivalent of 9/11). I disagree profoundly with Wright.
Now you can say LDS Church and the Catholic Church have made grave mistakes in the past, but so what? The LDS Church is quite different than it was in the 1800s. Mitt Romney does embrace those past controversial views of his faith or in any way supports nutjobs like Warren Jeffs. Similarly, no Catholic politician I know endorses child abuse.
But I do know that Rudy Giuliani was attacked for associating with a Priest who was accused of abuse and you know something--that was fair game. Just like Rev. Wright is fair game now. |
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Dear girl,you state "you "My Frinds" are the reason so many in the world hate us."
No dear lost one. Jesus is the reason you and the so many in the world hate "us". As Jesus said "If the world hates you, know that it has hated Me before it hated you. If you were of the world, the world would love its own, but because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you."
Today is the National Day of Prayer and you little, Kimberlost,are being prayed for. |
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As a Catholic I am not concerned that Hagee endorses McCain, McCain accepts his endorsement, and Hagee calls the Catholic Church the Whore of Babylon.
This is a theological position and not an expression of personal animosity towards Catholics, nor is he demonizing Catholics by holding this position.
Of course he is wrong and so was Martin Luther and John Calvin.
Now I am not familiar with everything this guy has said about the Catholic Church and Catholics but for someone to say that the Catholic Church is not an authentic Christian church doesn't bother me a bit.
Nor do I see this kind of theological anti-Catholicism as posing any sort of threat to us. It is the secularists whose anti-Catholicism threatens me directly because they are willing to employ the power of the state against the Church and against all Christians whose faith is more than a private matter between them and God. |
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Would be...
If Mitt Romney had become the nominee, would all
the controversial issues (real or irrelevant) of
the Mormon Church be heaped on him, and would he
have to repudiate all the perceived angst against
the Church by those it touches a nerve against?
And would he be answering questions every day now
about the Texas Mormon-spinoff polygamy saga?
Even though he gave a great speech on religion,
and disavowed the churches sins of the past,
would that ever be enough to satisfy?
Would a Catholic candidate have to assume the
responsibility for the actions of his parish even
if there had been revelations of priest child
abuse, which has been such a black eye for the
Catholic church?
Would these guys have to rebuke and repudiate them? Or bear there guilt for being associated
with them through the past even if their own
personal belief systems are generally exclusive.
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Find me ONE instance of McCain saying something similar.
I admire TR as well, but McCain does not embrace that quote.
Juan Hernandez wouldn't like it. |
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talk radio caller yesterday posited that no doubt Wright had experienced bitter racism in the Marines, which was the norm back in Wright's day. Such an experience would make anybody pretty bitter.
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Now I have to wonder about that one. If we were so racist back then. Why did they show a picture of Wright standing next to Prez LBJ when he was in the hospital? I guess it wasn't that bitter.
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"Is whether the McCain-endorsing Rev. Hagee believes HIS rhetoric. I mean, seriously, aren't there any catholic rightwingers out there who are enraged that Hagee pronounced your church as "The Great Wh*re"?? Is there not one single rightwinger who finds Hagee's claim that NO deserved what it got with Hurricane Katrina, or that the 9/11 attacks were justified for America's sins?
It really is breathtaking just how selectively "outraged" the rightwing is. It's disturbing that you will back bitter, white evangelical bigots while condemning all others. You "my friends" are the reason why so many in the world hate us."
Hagee, enraged, 9/11 attacks were justified, Katrina, America's sins, breathtaking, outraged, disturbing, bitter, white evangelical bigots, the world hates us.
i have Hagee, enraged, 9/11 attacks were justified and America's sins on my leftist bingo card for today.
but i need "right wing fascist" to complete a 5 across for a bingo on today's card.
has anybody seen a "fascist" comment by a leftist poster today at hugh's place?
if so, please let me know so i can get my bingo.
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"The ingratitude displayed by Obama this week is staggering to an outsider, and must be deeply hurtful to Wright and Wright's friends and associates at Trinity."
Wow. You really are something. For weeks on end, you've been crowing and harping on Obama to denounce the guy's rhetoric sharply despite the obvious personal attachments, and when Wright escalates the nonsense and Obama responds with clear denounciation, you slam him for being ungrateful.
Amazing. Though, I guess I shouldn't be surprised at your ability to always find something to denounce about someone outside of your party. |
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'In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American...There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag.... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people.'
Theodore Roosevelt 1907
A lot better than the rest of the May Day crap going around. McCain is a big fan of Teddy.
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Jesus taught his followers to love and forgive their enemies.
If Wright feels whites are his enemies, the Christ-like thing to do would be to love them, not hurl profanities at them.
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Yeah old McCain has been hanging around Rev. Hagee for 20+ years... LOL
Yeah you keep using that one and see where it get's yeah! |
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Interesting picture, but I am not sure what it has to do with this topic. Unless of course you see the deer as Obama and the cougar as Wright. ;) |
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I find it hard to buy Obama's line that Wright is "just his Pastor". That does not wash for us regular church attendees. If you are a sincere Christian, your Pastor should be your number one spiritual mentor.
It is true that you don't have to agree with everything your Pastor espouses. But a strong personality like Wright's will set the overall tone of the community. For Obama to stick around the church for twenty years, has to mean he bought into the general drift of Wright's politics.
This whole matter raises the question of the sincerity and mainline nature of Obama's faith. Points he keeps peddling. I am forming the opinion that Trinity Church is held together by radical social activism not the Gospel. And Obama buys into it all. |
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Barak Obama is attempting in words and action to unite this country. Pundits of so-called Christian values push the message of division at all cost.
I know the teachings of Christ and I see the actions of men like Barak Obama and Mr Hewitt. Whatever Rev Wright taught Mr Obama whatever he has learned of Christianity to this point in his life he (Mr. Obama) seems to be a true Christian, a uniter not a diveder... as opposed to some who claim to have a corner on the market but fail both in word and in action.
Mr. Hewitt if you think it's OK for yourself to judge Rev Wright and Barak Obama's Christian credentials then I think it's fair for me to judge yours. Let's just say I'm not impressed Christ would support your outright divisiveness. |
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..talk radio caller yesterday posited that no doubt Wright had experienced bitter racism in the Marines, which was the norm back in Wright's day. Such an experience would make anybody pretty bitter.
He turned his bitterness and showmanship into a multi-million dollar business because there were enough bitter parishioners to relate and donate. He's been playing the bitter race card for a long, long time and is pretty darn good at it.
It appears Michelle is more Wight's protege than Barack. But black bitterness is not a winning hand in the general election. It will be interesting to see how this all plays out in November. |
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I was wondering why both Reverend Wright and Obama made it a point to say Wright wasn't his Mentor, he was his pastor. Obama even went as far as to say it was made up by the Media.
http://777denny.wordpress.com/2008/04/25/obamas-mentor-raci st-reverend-wright-is-back/
“For 20 years, Rev. Wright has been a ‘friend, mentor and pastor.’ This is how Sen. Obama described him in a letter dated February 5, 2007.
http://bobmccarty.com/2008/04/24/obama-i-seek-daily-to-imit ate-his-faith/
The two paragraphs below account for only 114 of the nearly 1,000 words Rev. Barbara Reynolds stitched together and published a month ago in a Louisiana Weekly column, America Needs Jeremiah Wrights. Together, they speak volumes about true relationship between Barack Obama and his pastor for more than two decades at Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago:
For 20 years, Rev. Wright has been a “friend, mentor and pastor.” This is how Sen. Obama described him in a letter dated February 5, 2007.
In that letter, the senator wrote “I constantly remember Rev. Wright as the shepherd who guided me to my commitment to Christ one Sunday morning at Trinity. I often consider, as I work in the Senate how he lives his life-a life of service to Trinity, Chicago and the nation; his activism on behalf of causes that few would champion and his dogged commitment to the first principles of love for God and fellow man. And in my personal walk, I seek daily to imitate his faith.”
http://www.louisianaweekly.com/weekly/news/articlegate.pl?2 0080324g
Here it is again, go about half way down to "Pastor Jeremiah Wright"
By Rev. Dr. Barbara A. Reynolds
Reynolds News Service
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Like a fourth period in the NBA, Obama's once insurmountable lead in North Carolina has shrunk to single digits. Survey USA, 4/28, Obama +5; Insider Advantage, 4/29, Clinton +2; Real Clear Politics composite, Obama +7. |
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As I read the Bible, God says that He is color blind, there is no difference in race to Him, it also says that as Christians we are to "put away all anger, bitterness and wrath". By my reading in Eph 5 the Bible equates anger and bitterness with the ways of the world not followers of God, it also says the "fruit of the spirit is love". One cannot be loving and bitter or angry at the same time. Rev Wright it is time to repent and change from anger and bitterness to the love of God flowing from your life and mouth. |
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Let's be clear. Obama chose Wright and his congregants as his springboard. He got in bed with him, so he's stuck with the consequences.
He's still a candidate with little more than a couple of slogans, and a position that he's not Bush.
Obama doesn't know a think about foreign relations and military affairs, his short-term committee assignment notwithstanding. He doesn't have the most basic grasp of the economics of tax policy (see the ABC debate). What's his appeal? Why don't we hear about a list of accomplishments from his "community-activist" days in Chicago? My years may be off, but that's roughly 1981 to 1995 excluding three years for law school. It sounds to me as if he accomplished nothing during that time. Anyone? Anyone?
The big problem with me is that Obama stood silent when he could have stood firm and confronted Wright on his objectionable views. I don't discount the reachout ministry that Wright performed, and I don't consider his church a cult. But do you see the insular focus of the church? What I've seen from Wright is a lot of blame on white society. Hardly unifying.
Obama will see this in the general election. And if Wright has the goods, he could torpedo Obama this summer. If, as I suspect, he wants some revenge, he may sit for a couple of months until Obama's nomination is eminent, and then he'll release the bombshells that will leave Democrats with their pants and skirts down.
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Wright is a showman, he understand showmanship. He's no more upset or offended than my dog. He just sees yet another opportunity to stick it to whitey. And Obama did what everyone knew he had to, throw him under the bus. And Wright knew it too. Don't kid yourself. |
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Well, we would have been silent had we known that. |
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Bitter that his parishioner is not embracing the nonsense he has been spewing for twenty years to him. Wright is a true believer of the leftist nonsense he spews. That is why he is pissed off.
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Is this Wright (or Hillary) trailing Obama? |
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