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Friday, January 04, 2008
Stop Lying About Huckabee and Evangelicals!
Posted by: Michael Medved at 10:59 AM

Predictably enough, most media commentators have totally misinterpreted the nature of Mike Huckabee’s big win in the Iowa GOP caucuses. Conventional wisdom says that he swept to victory based on overwhelming support from Evangelicals, but conventional wisdom is flat-out wrong. According to the exit polls used by major news networks, a majority of voters who described themselves as “evangelical” or “born again” Christians actually voted against Huckabee –with 54% splitting their support among Romney, McCain, Thompson and Ron Paul. Yes, Huckabee’s 46% of Evangelicals was a strong showing, but it was directly comparable to his commanding 40% of women, or 40% of all voters under the age of 30, or 41% of those earning less than $30,000 a year. His powerful appeal to females, the young and the poor make him a different kind of Republican, who connects with voting blocs the GOP needs to win back. He’s hardly the one-dimensional religious candidate of media caricature.

It’s also idiotic and dishonest for observers to keep harping on anti-Mormon bigotry as the basis for Mitt Romney’s disappointing showing. Yeah, it's true that 81% of Evangelicals voted against Romney--- but 75% of ALL Iowa Republicans voted against him, so where is the big evidence of "anti-Mormon bigotry"? In other words, there’s only a 6% difference between his general rejection and his Evangelical rejection. There’s no evidence, in other words, that those who described themselves as “born again” or “evangelical” faced an especially tough time voting for a Mormon. Romney, after all, finished second among this group—as he finished second among the electorate in general. Among Evangelicals, Mormon Mitt beat John McCain, Fred Thompson and Ron Paul by a ratio of nearly two-to-one…a bigger, not smaller margin of victory over these other non-Mormon candidates than he managed to achieve in the electorate in general. The message ought to be obvious: the core issue was phoniness, not faith-- and the religious and non-religious alike react badly to phoniness.

Meanwhile, 87% of non-Evangelicals voted against Huckabee.... compared to only 66% of all Iowa Republicans.... in other words a 21% gap! Think about this....  THERE'S MORE EVIDENCE IN THE EXIT POLLS OF ANTI-EVANGELICAL PREJUDICE than there is of anti-Mormon prejudice. Huckabee did well across the board with all groups in the exit polls except one: the 40% who said "no" to the question, "Are you a 'born-again' or 'evangelical' Christian?" He finished fourth among this group, behind Romney, Thompson and McCain.

The evidence is pretty clear, isn't it? The preferences of Evangelicals mirrored those of Iowans in general. But the preferences of the "non Evangelical" group were distorted by their religious beliefs (or non-beliefs) and led them (as the same prejudices leads angry members of the conservative establishment) to blast, resent and dismiss the Huck.

Massaging the numbers another way ---Huckabee got 46% of the Evangelical vote, only 14% of non-Evangelical--- a huge 32% difference based on the rejection by these people of a well-known religious identity.

Romney, on the other hand, got 19% of Evangelical vote, and 33% of non Evangelical voters--- a vastly less significant 14% difference...

In other words, Non-Evangelicals appear to have been much more influenced by the religious variable in their distaste for Huck, than Evangelicals were influenced by that variable in their distaste for Mitt.

Those who insist, over and over again, that the Iowa Caucuses reflected “Christian identity politics” or a “tidal wave of Evangelical support” are basing their analysis on feelings, not facts; on vapors, not voters. It’s dishonest to say that a guy who just won a crushing state-wide victory, without even winning the majority of his own religious group, displayed a one dimension appeal to Christian zealots only.

This endlessly repeated story line is not only tired, it’s a lie.  



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NYChris writes: Friday, January, 04, 2008 11:19 AM
Always on target, Medved!
Thanks for this refreshingly insightful analysis of the Iowa results. Where is our national media when we need facts? MEDVED FOR PRESIDENT!!!
béésh ná’oobalí writes: Friday, January, 04, 2008 11:28 AM
Rev. Huckabee's Revival Tent vs.Big Tent
Huckabee and Rollins have abused everyone except the Evangelicals in the Big Republican Tent.

The questions is "Will the Fiscal conservatives and Foreign Policy Republicans, Catholic Republicans and Republicans of other faiths want to get anywhere near Rev. Huckabee's Revival Tent?"

Hint: 87% of non-Evangelicals voted against Huckabee. -Source Huckabee apologist Michael Medved.

Hint:

Romney led among non-evangelical voters by 2-to-1 or more. - Source AP Report.

Why are you so sold on Huckabee and hate Romney so viscerally?
EmmaLee writes: Friday, January, 04, 2008 11:28 AM
Christians see through his mask
I am a Christian, and I see him as a "Democrat in sheeps clothing." Iowa is a Democratic state, so of course Huck would do well there. He has attack dogs just like Hillary. He says he is being attacked by Romney for the ads being put out on his record. How can talking about "YOUR OWN RECORD" be an attack, unless you have a bad record. I am so tired about hearing about how much money Romney is spending. Don't you realize that Huck-be-gone does not have to spend any, because the Leftist Media is promoting him 24/7. Go to CNN, MSNBC, NBC,ABC,CBS,...and see how many articles are posted on their sites. He has had months of advertising for months. He is a Democratic ploy.
cogito writes: Friday, January, 04, 2008 11:32 AM
Stop lying about lies Medved
The CBS polls stated that 6 out of 10 republican caucus goers were evangelicals. 87% of that is 34.8%. That means only 34.8% of the people voting voted AGAINST Huckabee.

Top that with the fact that Huckabee was as shameless in his back-handed comments about Romney's religion and disengenuous about his "taking the high road" press conference as any slimy used car salesman ever was.

There were a lot of Christians in the race. Huckabee surely didn't shine as one though. He showed himself to be the epitome of what every liberal says about the religious right. Smarmy and self-righteous with a corn-pone aw shucks attitude that anyone whose not a member of the chuch of the good ol' boy can see through in a New York second. Last time I read the New Testament, the one thing Christ decried above all was hypocrisy. Anyone who didn't spot Huckster's kicking under the table while whining about Romney's contrast ads as being negative as being the very epitome of hypocrisy is kidding themselves.
MD writes: Friday, January, 04, 2008 11:33 AM
Why do you say Rush is lying?
Why does Medved say Rush is a liar. Doesn't he owe Rush for providing him his opportunity in radio?

Drex Davis writes: Friday, January, 04, 2008 11:41 AM
Medved is right
in one sense, this sort of talk only distracts from the real message - that Huckabee is a big government, pro-illegal immigration, foreign policy ignoramus.

He LOVES that this is becoming about religion b/c it allows him to play that card while avoiding his record and policies.

However, where Medved is wrong is that the divergence and huge discrepancy among voters along Evangelical lines DOES show that this was about Evangelical identity politics. Who will deny Huck is running a campaign based on his Evangelism?

Huck won't even deny it.
sphatick writes: Friday, January, 04, 2008 11:45 AM
What constitutes overwhelming support?
So four candidates split 54% of the evangelical votes (let's call it 13.5% each) and one candidate took 46% (more than 3 times the average of the other four) of the evangelical vote. You're right Michael I wouldn't call that overwhelming evangelical support.

Refering to his support among other demographics that overlap the evangelical demographic (women, young, and low-income voters can also be evangelical voters) doesn't support your argument either.
cogito writes: Friday, January, 04, 2008 11:57 AM
Huckabee the martyr
I predict that Huckabee will continue to milk this evangelical thing all the while whining about every contrast ad as an attck on him while he continues to kick under the table and make smarmy comments about how he's taking the high road but..."here's what I was gonna say"

Pretty soon, it will be down to just him and Jesus and the Huckster will have to make a decision then because there really isn't enough room for two of them up on that cross.

amosjo writes: Friday, January, 04, 2008 12:08 PM
Thanks, Michael
I'm also annoyed at how the media keep comparing Huckabee to Pat Robertson. Huckabee is NOT like Pat Robertson, and it only serves the Democrats' purposes to marginalize Huck in that way.

Thanks for looking at the Republican campaigns objectively, Michael (moreso than the other bloggers, anyway). Hugh Hewitt used to be one of my favorite conservative bloggers, but with the Romney lovefest going on over there, he's not credible to me anymore. I strongly suspect most of these commenters here are strongly influenced by Hugh's less-than-objective, consistent, relentless slamming of Huck, which is an undisguised ploy to clear Huck out of the way for his favorite candidate, Romney. I enjoy your interesting and unique perspectives. They help bring some balance.

I personally believe that Huck's support has less to do with religion, money, or media -- it has more to do with charisma. Viewing him on TV, the man is charismatic. It probably won't help him in the tougher states, but it's easy to see why people in Iowa caucused for him. (And don't you think it's insulting to imply that Iowans are less intelligent than other Americans, unable to tell the difference between Huck and Romney, Republican and Democrat? Please.)

I most likely won't be voting for Huck myself (terrorism and immigration are my issues, leaning me towards Guiliani), but I do believe it's disingenuous of bloggers, media, and commenters alike to slam Huckabee's candidacy as somehow illegitimate because his "only" qualification is being Evangelical.
GB writes: Friday, January, 04, 2008 12:15 PM
MM is not lying, he is just wrong
Michael Medved was righ about MH in the Iowa caucus and I was wrong. In fact he was right on almost every point. However, I do take issue with MM defending MH on the Mormon thing. MH was a baptist teleminister, as a Jew, MM should be the last person to defend a person against inuendo and implication. I am going to give MM the benefit of the doubt though because I do agree with him on almost every point. Perhaps he is unaware of the day in and day out vitriol spewed by Baptist ministries about practicing Mormons. I like church goers of all congregations, but Baptists as a whole take it upon themselves to "expose" Mormons as a cult and/or un Christian. MM, I would expect a Jewish man to understand that there are people out there who feel it is okay to lie and give false implications because they think it is actually God's work.

I am in no way implying that all evangelicals or Baptists specifically are all bigots. Most are good people who don't buy into the garbage their paid pastors invent. MM, please consider when a religious denomination develops blatantly anti-Mormon films (you have heard of god makers) and advertise their sermons about the "truth about Mormons" on billboards outside their meeting houses that there is a common theme in that denomination.

I am not making this a religious issue. The point is that to give MH the benefit of the doubt having had the position he held is to blind yourself to the reality of the situation. All of the candidates, Mitt included are politicians and have and will smear. MH is no exception so quit trying to pass him off as clean as the driven snow. He knew exactly what he was doing when he aired his smear campaign, he knew exactly what he was doing when he hired Ed Rollins.

I am big enough to say you were right and I was wrong and I will pay more attention in the future, but don't think that you are right about everything.
TrueHawk writes: Friday, January, 04, 2008 12:16 PM
Pajama Bloggers for Huck? I think.
It is, in reality, Huck the Democrats fear running against as any Democrat from Arkansas, (including the Clintons), can tell you. Huck has wide crossover appeal like Reagan did but Huck has even gotten up to 40% of the African American vote in heavily Democratically controlled Arkansas. We must move with Huck's message of positive populist conservatism. He will continue to broaden his coaliton to include pro-life Catholics, those desiring the Fair Tax, and former Limbaugh listeners, etc. Among those who consider themselves strong conservatives on all issues, Huck polls high. He takes in young and women voters as part of his strenghth. Not sure if many pajama bloggers support him, as being an underwear blogger myself, I could not speak for them. Sorry, too much information.
voiceguy writes: Friday, January, 04, 2008 12:23 PM
Anyone but Huck (unethical doughboy)
Huck is an ethical nightmare. We lost the congress in part because of the perceived bad ethics of Republicans in Congress. Now some of those same people who didn't vote for unethical Republicans just voted for the most unethical candidate on the Republican side. Mind blowing!!!

There is a reason Huck is no longer a preacher!

Huck will destroy our Party and the Conservative movement. The other candidates may not be the best conservatives but they all have their strong points and weak points. Some will be better than others. Huck will destroy, just as he did the Rep.Party in Arkansas.

Anyone but Huck!!!! (and yes, i have said this elsewhere for those who noticed)
Nick writes: Friday, January, 04, 2008 12:37 PM
Huckabee's Win
I agree with the original blog. People are voting for Huckabee because of who he isn't as much as for who he is.

He isn't part of the Washington elitests who are so arrogant that they think that they can spend their way to the presidency. The media has tracked who has the most money so fastidiously and established a direct correlation between money and electability. The voters don't like the thought that the presidency can be bought.

He is able to speak in normal terms that the average citizen can relate to. He is able to laugh and be deadly serious without being condescending.

His religious affiliation is probably more of a minus with everyone just because many can remember Jimmy Carter.

Huckabee is for real. The people are fed up with a do nothing government that has its self preservation as its primary mission.

WordBearer writes: Friday, January, 04, 2008 12:42 PM
Huck: Not ready for prime time
I can not believe that Medved would support Huck. He will be the death of the conservative movement. His answer to everything is "I'm a Christian."

I'm sure he is a nice guy and kind to children and animals, but he is also liberal in ways that this country can not afford.

This is the defining election of our times. The American people must choose between the road of freedom, free markets, and secure borders or start the long road to a European social democracy.

We know which road the Dims will pick, but I fear that Huck would choose the latter as well.

I also question why two states, Iowa and NH, with little significance in the grand scheme of things, get to impose their idiotic choices on the rest of America.
thru and thru writes: Friday, January, 04, 2008 12:49 PM
no way !!
a Huck ticket cannot win the whole thing.
We need to find a candidate who has the best opportunity for winning.
I agree with voiceboy above:
The last straw for me was the "news conference" when he said I am not going to call my opponenet a bunch of names but if I did here is the list...I just wanted you to know that there was a list.
I am looking for a commander in chief not a preacher in chief.
And someone who actually know where Pakistan is.
voiceguy writes: Friday, January, 04, 2008 12:51 PM
re: Huckabee's Win
Nick,

you may be right on why people are voting for him but he is not for real! the guy can be bought and paid for. he is completely unethical. but since he was once a preacher and still calls himself christian, there is a portion of the christian community who are ignoring this unethical, money grabbing, paid off, ex-preacher.

people just need to vote for Hunter or something because Huck is not the answer.
Shrinker writes: Friday, January, 04, 2008 1:17 PM
More Numbers
Total Voter Turnout (approximate): 356,0000

Percentage of total vote:

24.5% Obama
20.5% Edwards
19.8% Clinton
11.4% Huckabee

marklambach writes: Friday, January, 04, 2008 1:30 PM
Nice try but...
When you have prominent Evangelicals proclaiming from their talk shows and Sunday pulpits that a vote for Romney is a vote for Satan, and you have the LDS Church encouraging people to vote, but not for any one candidate, it's really hard to say with a straight face what you just said. By and large, Evangelicals are bigoted toward Mormons. The reason for this is that Mormons actively proselytize Evangelicals. This however, has nothing to do with the POTUS. Now there may be reasons to vote for Huckabee, and against Romney, but it's a sad day when a person's denomination is more important that his platform.
GB writes: Friday, January, 04, 2008 1:41 PM
Sure he's not very good, but
I think all conservatives need to be prepared to vote for Huckabee if he gets the nomination. The numbers in which democrats came out to the Iowa caucus is frightening. The Dems, misguided as there are, are energized and mobilized. The Republicans have to be willing to come out in numbers or we are going to get Clinton or Obama.

If the Huck gets the nod (and I don't believe he will, but I also thought when it came down to it people wouldn't vote for him in Iowa either)then we all need to vote for the guy. All of us. We need to get numbers to the voting booths because the Dems have our number this election I'm afraid.

Sure Huck wouldn't make a good president comparatively, but when looking at the Dems he looks really good. I don't think anyone who cares about issues would like Huckabee, but a Dem would be even more of a disaster.
Hookem writes: Friday, January, 04, 2008 1:47 PM
GB: MM is not lying, he is just wrong
Dude (gender neutral),

Baptists, technically, are Judeo-Christian (worship the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob/Yahweh, but believe that Jesus is Messiah).

Do cults exist? Or, do you have one of those co-exist bumper stickers (no moral or theological absolutes).

Have you looked into Mormonism and the founder? Does Mitt wear the heavenly underwear and abstain from caffeine as required to visit the “temple?”

Maybe there are no absolutes? Why bother posting, Dude?

So, Baptists “…feel it is okay to lie and give false implications…”

So, it’s okay for you to speak out against what you consider negative, but not okay for (some) Baptists to expose what they consider to be cultic or aberrant?

If a person or group thinks that Moronism (oops) has false truth-claims and is a cult (or cultic), wouldn’t it be okay for them to make a film or books to counter what they perceive as false truth-claims?

WOW, not “all evangelicals or Baptists specifically are all bigots.” (I think you used all too many times.) Very gracious of you GB! You must hang out with this bunch regularly to know them so well.

Thanks for an unbiased, non-bigoted post.

By-tha-way, I am not Baptist or Moron (oops), but know many fine, independent-thinking, non-bigoted people (actual living breathing persons) who are Baptist.

Are you Moron (oops)?
GB writes: Friday, January, 04, 2008 1:57 PM
Hookem
Looks like I hit a nerve there son. You are out of your league buddy-boy. Besides quoting me out of context which all posters will be able to see, you missed the point of the post. That's okay, you don't sound like an honest individual anyway.

Better a Moron(oops) that a bigot apologist.
jpj36 writes: Friday, January, 04, 2008 2:30 PM
medved the lukewarm conservative
once again we play "torture the numbers" to get them to fit a pre-conceived notion. granted not all evangelicals that voted in iowa voted for the huckster, but of those that DID vote for him the majority were evangelicals. don't insult my intelligence mm i can read a poll sheet as well as you can.
Satcomm writes: Friday, January, 04, 2008 2:31 PM
I've been saying this all along
It's the bigot-epithet throwers that are the bigots, not the actual voters.
Mrs. Professor writes: Friday, January, 04, 2008 2:33 PM
Stop Lying About Huckabee And Evangelica
It was the MEDIA who kept playing up the evangelical angle. In most of the debates he hardly got any questions on topics of substance, the economy, Iraq, etc. He only got the GOD questions. The same in interviews, mostly because journalists (like O'Reilly) wanted to be THE ONE THAT BROUGHT HIM DOWN, constantly drumming up the evolution issue or trying to get him to weigh in on Mormonism. Because he is a great communicator, he was able to start getting his message out with the little air time he had. That is when he started gaining traction.

Conservative media (Medved excluded) are caught in a logical fallacy. POPULISTM EQUALS LIBERAL SOLUTIONS. HUCKABEE HAS POPULIST APPEAL, THEREFORE HE IS A LIBERAL. Though the former is USUALLY true (Edwards, Kerry) it is NOT ALWAYS TRUE. Huck has populist appeal but WITHOUT the typical liberal answers.
Hookem writes: Friday, January, 04, 2008 2:33 PM
GB
Yes, maybe I am out-of-your (self-defined) league. I’m okay to be in or out.

You missed the point.

Your post "seemed" as bigoted as those you detracted for bigotry. I could be wrong.

Nothing was out-of-context.

You didn’t need to malign Baptists to agree with MM.


Yes, the "Moron" bit was probably offensive and inflammatory. That was wrong on my part. I apologize.
amosjo writes: Friday, January, 04, 2008 3:05 PM
Evangelicals vote for Mormons
First of all, I didn't get the idea that MM is supporting Huck -- just that he understands mainstream conservative psyche of why people would vote for Huck. Obviously, he knows more than Hugh Hewitt.

Secondly, I'd like to add to the debate by saying that as an Evangelical, I have no problem voting for Romney or any other Mormon. Yes, I've been in Sunday School classes that describe and refute Mormon doctrine. But anyone who actually knows a Mormon, knows that they are decent people. More importantly, I, and I believe many Evangelicals (Baptists included) like me, care less about his Mormanism than about his ability to lead the country.

I would vote for Huck for religious reasons no more than I would vote for Romney for religious reasons. They both are irrelevant to me. My problem with Romney is that he's just a little bit too smooth -- he's not "real" to me yet. Would he make a good president? Probably. But that doesn't make him my first choice. By the same token, I'm not convinced that Huck is the man, either. But MM is correct in saying that Huck is appealing (and yeah, I'm a woman). He absolutely IS appealing.

I think EVERYONE who talks about Evangelicalism vs. Mormonism is on the wrong track. It's a cop-out. Neither of these factors will decide the presidency. At the end of the day, it's about 1) electability and 2) whom do we trust? As to that, I'm still undecided.
amosjo writes: Friday, January, 04, 2008 3:32 PM
As a Jew...
P.S. I love when people say things like, "As a Jew, you should understand..."

I think, as a Jew, MM can think for himself.

Concept.
N/A writes: Friday, January, 04, 2008 4:24 PM
Truth be told
Huckabee is both a liberal and a Populist. Those two are not good for the Republican party.

Romney needed, and had, the money to spend in an area saturated with Evangelicals, of which Huckabee had been a part of for decades. Huckabee had a natural base in Iowa, enough so that his political record was hardly questioned --he ran on religion and personality. Hence, Romney's ad comparisons. As Huckabee's real positions and history come under scrutiny, the smoke and mirrors game will really go into play for he has a lot to hide for one who is campaigning as a conservative.

A populist tries to solve peoples problems,tries to say he is one with them, when in reality he is Big Government. And although the candidate cannot solve the problems he says he can, the people still like to hear it. Populists take away people's freedom and make them dependent. Edwards and Hillary are also Populists. The current Populist position has evolved from when it began, and it is not a positive approach to leading the American people.

Read the transcripts from Rush Limbaugh's show for today, he speaks about much of this.


supernovia writes: Friday, January, 04, 2008 4:31 PM
Disappointed
Mr Medved, I've long considered you one of the more honest talk radio supporters out there. So how can you use a single statistic from an exit poll to prove your point, when that one statistic is against what all the others say?

The same poll gives this figures as well. Of those who backed Mike Huckabee:

80% identified themselves as as born-again or evangelical Christians
60% said it was very important to share their candidate’s religious beliefs
4% said they wanted a contender with experience
2% said they were looking for a Republican who can win the White House in November

And one more thing, you're constantly defending his innocence about his affiliation with the anti-LDS. He said he didn't know much about mormons - and to qualify that he said he didn't know much about being a baptist either. If he doesn't know anything about Mormons, what was he doing in SLC in 1998 bashing them? Can you please tell me why he would bash a belief he doesn't know much about?
supernovia writes: Friday, January, 04, 2008 4:37 PM
Huckabee vs Obama
For the record, if the national election were today and it was a matter of Huckabee against Obama, I'd take Obama. Their views are similiar, and Obama doesn't seem like a two-face.
Sara writes: Friday, January, 04, 2008 4:49 PM
Denomination vs. Issues
Two very salient points in the comments section:

"it's a sad day when a person's denomination is more important that his platform."

"this is becoming about religion b/c it allows him to play that card while avoiding his record and policies."

It IS a sad day when a person's denomination is more important than his/her platform - and it's sad that politicians pander into this - distracting constituents from real issues by talking religion.

There is a film coming out that examines faith and politics and religion - I wonder if it will shed enough light on all of us to get our heads out from the sand and focus on issues rather than specific religious beliefs.

http://www.articlevithemovie.com/trailer.php#
The Patryn writes: Friday, January, 04, 2008 4:50 PM
Conservative talk show host conspiracy..
I have come to believe there is a vast right wing talk show host conspiracy against Huckabee, not because they dislike him but because they want to support Gulianni. Gulianni has not been held to the criticism about his pro-gay right/pro-choice position the way Huckabee/Romney/Thompson have been criticised for their various semi-conservative views. I think they believe Romney will not be accepted in the end due to his mormonism, Thompson will eventually drop out, McCain is too old and explosive and Rudy will fall into place as the nominee. Then they can say we must support the candidate without having to defend the pro-choice/pro-gay positions. These pro-life talk show hosts are cowards because they do not want to have to defend Rudy socially liberal positions. Huckabee poses a real threat to Rudy, who many thought would walk away with the nomination. No host has been severly critical of Rudy.
supernovia writes: Friday, January, 04, 2008 4:56 PM
Proselytizing vs bashing vs lying
Hookem, yes, the Mormons proselytize. Yes, mormons will openly disagree with some Traditional doctrines. And yes, other faiths have every right to disagree with them.

But when is the last time you found mormons standing in front of an evangelical church on a sunday morning, shouting obscenities at the people going in, and telling them they were all bound for hell?

When is the last time a mormon sent people christmas cards bashing traditional christianity but lied and said they were actually from Huckabee, paid for by his congregation?

When was the last a mormon made fun of other people's religious clothing, and when was the last time a mormon asked YOU about YOUR underwear?

I could go on, but the point is that there's a big difference between sharing your own faith and bashing. And lying, lying like Huckabee did when he said he really wasn't familiar with the mormon faith. Lying like the senders of those cards did when they said they were the Romneys. Bashing is wrong, lying is evil. Lies are tools of Satan. God doesn't borrow Satan's tools.

And all of this is MOOT when it comes to who would do the best job as president.
Sara writes: Friday, January, 04, 2008 5:12 PM
Amen!
Supernovia - all I can say is AMEN to this:
"And all of this is MOOT when it comes to who would do the best job as president."

I'm so tired of everyone focusing on religion instead of experience, issues, etc. It gets so lost in all the "his religion does this" crap.
Hookem writes: Friday, January, 04, 2008 5:25 PM
supernovia
I don’t dislike Mormons (even though I think that Mormonism is a cult). I have done business with them and have enjoyed their company.

Most of life, for me, is not based on theological or party affiliation.

I don’t condone people who engage in “shouting obscenities” at other (whether at “church” or elsewhere).

The “holy underwear” reference served as a point to a cultic aspect of Mormonism (you are free to disagree).

I am not a Huck supporter; I was just curious, followed a thread (and made a post).

I don’t think that Romney’s problem is due to bigotry. Even though I don’t believe that Mormonism is orthodox, I would vote for him if he was the nominee. His problem is that he is running against someone who has a more mainline religious affiliation.

I find that often, groups (“evangelicals” “Mormons” “born-again Christians”) are not so homogenous.

Attempt to put me into a “box” if you must, but it’s not productive.
Gracie writes: Friday, January, 04, 2008 6:06 PM
Very good point
Thank you, Mr. Medved, keep more of the like coming!
Guys, Huckabee may have won because of evangelicals, he may not have. The point is, it wasn't a total set-up. The numbers just don't add up to suggest such.
Mitt Romney will have to deal with the religion thing, he really kinda skirted the blunt topic in his Faith-speech, that people really don't know Mormons, nor will most of them agree, nor will some feel comfortable with the way it may impact the candidate. Like it or not, it's completely reasonable for a voter to take a man's faith/source-of-moral-compass into consideration. It's not bigotry, it's plain intellect.
Do the research, if you want, about the LDS church. Make your call. But there is no denying that faith (or lack thereof) plays an intrinsic role in the character and persuasions of a man, and we have a right to consider what it's based on.
And if Huckabee is just leaning on an Iowa-based evangelical crutch, why is he polling so high nationally?
supernovia writes: Friday, January, 04, 2008 6:40 PM
They still lie
> The “holy underwear” reference served as a point to a cultic aspect of Mormonism

So are priests, nuns, bishops, and the pope himself cult members too? How about those who practice orthadox judaism? All of these and many more wear holy clothing to remind themselves - and others - of their commitments to God. Our vestments remind US of our commitment to God; others can see our commitments in the way we live our lives. Or by squinting :)

> I don’t think that Romney’s problem is due to bigotry. -- His problem is that he is running against someone who has a more mainline religious affiliation.

Come again? The point here, is that we shouldn't be voting based on religious affiliation, but on a persons actions and ability to help america. If a good man can't get votes because of his faith, a faith that teaches the same values as Mr Mainline, isn't that a bigotry issue?

> Attempt to put me into a “box” if you must, but it’s not productive.

Not trying to put you personally in a box. You still didn't address my concerns though, about these mainline guys lying for God. What's up with that?
Mrs. Professor writes: Friday, January, 04, 2008 6:40 PM
Truth be told
Instead of going to Limbaugh's show transcript to find out what Huckabee thinks, why not try going to http://www.mikehuckabee.com and listen to what the man himself says? When you hear his speeches and interviews, he does NOT offer government as the answer to all of man's woes. He appeals to everyone's desire to improve their lot in life by GETTING RID OF THE SHACKLES IMPOSED BY GOVERNMENT. That was what he laid out on the Leno show the other night. Pretty sad he was given more opportunity to lay out his fiscal policy on an entertainment show than a typical Fox interview.

I've been a fan of Rush's since he started but he couldn't be more wrong about Huckabee. I don't know why (bad blood with Rollins maybe?) but he is trying to cram Huckabee into a Ross Perot box. It doesn't fit, never will fit.
ABA writes: Friday, January, 04, 2008 7:02 PM
Medveds Pom-Poms
Medved has been wearing Huckabee Pom-Poms for weeks now. The sad thing is he won't admit it, and likes to say " I'm not endorsing Mike Huckabee". Whatever.

The only candidate that even comes close to being a Conservative is Thompson and he doesn't seem to want it. McCain is a disaster on immigration and taxes, Romney is a flip-flopper, Rudy is a train wreck on social issues, and Mike Huckabbe, Mike Huckabee? Are you people serious? We're doomed.
supernovia writes: Friday, January, 04, 2008 7:10 PM
re: Pom Poms
Agreed, and he continues despite protests from his loyal callers. More loyal than me, I haven't listened for weeks.

Gotta disagree with the tired flip-flop routine though. Huckabee flip-flopped in a single day and people don't attach the name to him.
N/A writes: Friday, January, 04, 2008 7:52 PM
Eyes open, no blinking
béésh ná’oobalí :

I agree with you totally. I'm sure that the American people will open their eyes, many already have.
Sandy writes: Friday, January, 04, 2008 9:02 PM
Thanks for the facts !!
Many surveys show that illegal immigration was the biggest issue for Iowans. I think Mike's new immigration plan appealed to many voters, Christian and non Christian. Thanks for sharing your insights on what really happened last night in the caucus voting. Mike is my candidate because he does not walk the party line. I am disgusted with the Rep. elites and their poor leadership and accountability in Washington. If Mike was an independent candidate, I would be an avid supporter. He is the best hope for the uniting our country and government so we can remain a strong, independent nation. Sandra
Winghunter writes: Friday, January, 04, 2008 9:14 PM
What A Load of Crap!
Yes, The Huckster is a very different kind of republican, it's called a liberal.

Once you do your homework, you'll know it also;

Candidate Research - Know Who You're Voting For

http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/entry/candidate_research _know_who_youre_voting_for/
AnimalFarm1984 writes: Friday, January, 04, 2008 10:47 PM
Rush is Trying to Save the GOP
If you really pay attention to Rush, I think there are a lot of clues to what he is doing. At the heart of it is the fact that Huckabee has the same label as Bush did; that of the dreaded "Born Again Christian" only this time it is worse. Not only was Huckabee a pastor 14 years ago, he dares to proudly list this on his resume. This is what scares Rush the most, that Huckabee doesn't keep his Christianity in its proper place! This is the same bigotry behind much of the Bush hatred.

I think Rush has decided the GOP can't survive the religious bigotry and he's pissed off at Huckabee for making it worse by not keeping his religion private. The only thing left to do then is to sacrifice Huckabee for the cause by labeling him as a liberal even though this is a ludicrous position. Somewhere in Rushes twisted logic, I’m sure he thinks he is doing the right thing for the party, but he is dead wrong. Instead of fighting the religious bigotry toward evangelicals, Rush is only helping to support it by trashing a true conservative who refuses to be a good Evangelical and keep his faith at the back of the bus.
unspun writes: Friday, January, 04, 2008 11:18 PM
You're right, he's right!
The attempt at pidgeon-holing and marginalizing Mike Huckabee is only exceeded by the attempts to do the same to Bible believing Christians overall.

Thank you, our Jewish bro.
Andy Rowell writes: Friday, January, 04, 2008 11:33 PM
Poll didn't ask Dem Voters' Religion!
How many evangelicals voted for Democrats in Iowa? We'll never know. And if things don't change, we won't know in future primaries either. Iowa has many evangelicals. Many more Democrats (239,000) voted than Republicans (112,000). But the press is making a big deal about how most evangelicals picked Mike Huckabee. This is based on polling of only Republicans. If there are many evangelicals in Iowa and twice as many Iowans voted for a Democrat, then probably many evangelicals voted for Democrats. (In an informal poll at Christianity Today, Obama only trails Huckabee). But we'll never know how many evangelicals voted for Democrats because all of the media organizations use the same polling data and the pollsters didn't ask Democratic voters anything about their religion.

It seems that Edison Media Research and Mitofsky Interational is doing the entrance/exit polls for all of the primaries for all of the major news organizations. No wonder all of the headlines today sound the same. They are all relying on the same very limited data. Edison/Mitofsky asked very different questions to the Republican and Democratic voters. No questions about religious preferences were asked of Democratic voters while two questions were asked of Republican voters. Worse, if things don't change in the polling, we won't know for any information about the religious preferences of voters for the other primaries either because Edison/Mitofsky is the only one doing polling for all of those primaries as well. The media organizations should demand better from the Edison/Mitofsky.

Michael, I enjoy watching you on Reliable Sources on CNN (the podcast). This townhall.com website has more popups and gave me more trouble commenting than any site I have seen in a long time. Do you need to get people's address? Good grief. That's not a great impression.

All the best.

Andy Rowell
Th.D. Student
Duke Divinity School
Blog: http://www.andyrowell.net/
GrannyDJT writes: Saturday, January, 05, 2008 12:21 AM
Searched hard for the BEST conservative
I am a former Romney supporter. My choice not to vote for Romney had nothing to do with his religion. I am a conservative. I believe in strong moral family values. States should decide how to spend their money and it’s the states responsibility to improve schools, roads, parks, etc. Lower taxes on productivity rewards those willing to work toward excellence. Good workers deserve decent wages. For years Republicans have courted the religious right to win elections. I was excited at the thought of Fred jumping in the race. I started watching debates and actually listened to some guy I never heard of. WOW! That guy explains where he stands and why. I “Googled” Huckabee and read as much as I could about him. Before Fred showed up, I’d decided. Compared to Huckabee, Fred is dead!

Huckabee and Romney both fought to win elections in Democrat states. They both had to work across aisles with Democrat controlled congresses. From everything I've read, Huckabee left Arkansas better than he found it. Romney didn't do a very good job of leaving things better. He might not even win his home state in the PRIMARIES.

From the last poll I saw, Huckabee does better against the Dems than the other candidates. Many of my conservative Independent and Democrat friends are considering voting for Huckabee. (So, much for not being electable.)

I couldn't stand Kerry's flip-flop or what ever the polls say views. Romney is a Republican version of Kerry. Romney has never been asked the types of hard questions Huckabee has. When given a chance, Huckabee is able to explain. Huckabee is strong on the illegal immigration issue. Read his plan. Huckabee realizes the danger of Islamic extremist. Who better to understand a religious war than a preacher?

There will never be another Reagan. But, Republicans need to take a better look at what could be the best thing to happen to America since Reagan.
Granny T
Bernard writes: Saturday, January, 05, 2008 12:41 AM
Math
With out the the evangelical vote, Romney beats Huck 66% to 13%.

If you bought MM's completely unsupportable (statistically speaking) conclusion that the evangelical (and either their love for the preacher or their hatred of the cultist) didn't influence the results in Iowa you need help, and perhaps a simple math class.

I love this... MM states, "81% of Evangelicals voted against Romney--- but 75% of ALL Iowa Republicans voted against him, so where is the big evidence of "anti-Mormon bigotry."

Answer: He just stated it.

Let me illustrate...

Assume:
100 voters
90 evangelical, with only 1 in 10 voting for Romney
10 others, overwhelmingly supporting Romney 7 to 3.

Under this obviously anti-mormon example, MM could spin it the exact same way as he did above. Here's the same sentence but updated with the these numbers: "90% of Evangelicals voted against Romney--- but 84% of ALL [voters] voted against him, so where is the big evidence of "anti-Mormon bigotry"

He also could (should, if he had moral compass or wasn't preaching to idiots) have stated it this way: "81% of Evangelicals voted against Romney--- but 33% of OTHER (not ALL) Iowa Republicans voted against him, so where is the big evidence of "anti-Mormon bigotry" but of course he was trying to lie about Huckabee and the evangelicals.


Piinky writes: Saturday, January, 05, 2008 12:49 AM
Republicans and religion
Michael is basing all of his comparison on religious orientation. I believe that the majority of the evangelicals voted for Huckabee because of religion. I also believe that a large number of people did not vote for him because of other reasons. I am not (or am) an Evangelical but do not support either Romney or Huckabee for their religion. I base my support on fiscal and national security positions and perceived leadership. I do not see the validity of Michael's analysis.
doctorfixit writes: Saturday, January, 05, 2008 12:53 AM
Medved Drank the Kool-Aid
There is no question that anti-Mormon bigotry drove the evangelicals to the Iowa caucuses. Huckabumpkin has been sending out thinkly disguised coded messages to his faithful flock for weeks. I have been listening to Medved on the radio and his unquestioning support for the Arkansas cornpone con artist is positively nauseating. The man is a socialist fraud and a blasphemer who uses religion for personal ambition (I mean Huckleberry Huckster, not Medved, although I'm starting to wonder.)

Fortunately for America, the evangelicals are going nowhere, although they may wreck the Republican party on their way down. America is not ready for state-imposed religion, as has been made very clear by our reaction to Pres. Big-Government-for-Christ Bush. I swear sometimes I think Hucka-Up-Chucka is a Clinton plant.
Piinky writes: Saturday, January, 05, 2008 12:58 AM
Money and the nomination
There is a misconception about having a lot of money to finance your campaign for staff, advertising, travel, etc. and buying an election. The mere mention brings thoughts of ballot stuffing, payola, etc. to everyone's mind. (so we have a subtle negative personal attack by Huckabee against Romney almost every time I've heard Huckabee talk).

If a candidate collects a lot of money for their campaign, it means there are people willing to give them money to help them get elected. If a candidate is willing to spend their own money in their campaign, it indicates they are sincere about their desire to be elected.

Our decision is to determine if the candidates motives are good. When Huckabee says that "if Romney wins, we should just put the nomination on eBay" it show me that Mr. Huckabee is the dishonest politician that he has been accusing Mitt of being.

If you believe the Huckster, I'm sure he has some beach front property in Hope that he would be willing to part with for the right price. May even have a "triple-wide" on it.
Mrs. Professor writes: Saturday, January, 05, 2008 2:31 AM
Rush Is Trying To Save The GOP
Interesting point above by AnimalFarm1984. I think bigotry toward evangelicals is a bigger part of the bash-Huckabee-bandwagon than many are willing to admit. Either they are bigots themselves (as DoctorFixit so aptly illustrated) or they understand that bigotry is out there and they fear for the party, ergo Operation Eliminate Huckabee. How often has Fox News referred to him as 'Former Baptist Minister'? That was BEFORE he was a two term governor and lieut. governor. Have they ever referred to Romney as Former Mormon Bishop (which he was.) How often has Fox tried to write him off as another Pat Robertson? What an insult! Huckabee is NOTHING like Robertson, who never held an elected office. How often have they tried to shut him out in interviews and debates? Notice all the major GOP candidates and their wives had the fireside chat with Hannity EXCEPT Huckabee.

What is ironic is that Huckabee has proven he is not a 'scary evangelical'. He is not of the generation of Fallwell and Robertson, not 'mad at everybody', he is of the next generation and while he has strong convictions (as did Reagan) he is not at complete war with pop culture. He plays bass guitar and pardoned Keith Richards, for heaven's sake! If conservative media had half a brain they would realize Huckabee is our best chance to not only inspire our base but to attract independents which are CRUCIAL for 08.

Susan Stilley
http://www.politicsandchristianity.com
N/A writes: Saturday, January, 05, 2008 3:10 AM
Truth be told

Huckabee is both a liberal and a Populist. Those two are not good for the Republican party.

Romney needed, and had, the money to spend in an area saturated with Evangelicals, of which Huckabee had been a part of for decades. Huckabee had a natural base in Iowa, enough so that his political record was hardly questioned --he ran on religion and personality. Hence, Romney's ad comparisons. As Huckabee's real positions and history come under scrutiny, the smoke and mirrors game will really go into play for he has a lot to hide for one who is campaigning as a conservative.

A populist tries to solve peoples problems,tries to say he is one with them, when in reality he is Big Government. And although the candidate cannot solve the problems he says he can, the people still like to hear it. Populists take away people's freedom and make them dependent. Edwards and Hillary are also Populists. The current Populist position has evolved from when it began, and it is not a positive approach to leading the American people.

Read the transcripts from Rush Limbaugh's show for today, he speaks about much of this.

Mrs. Professor writes: Saturday, January, 05, 2008 4:06 AM
Truth be told
N/A, if you are going to repeat your earlier post I guess I have to repeat mine. To find out what Huckabee believes, GO TO THE MAN HIMSELF. http://www.mikehuckabee.com. Watch his interviews, listen to his speeches. Is that so difficult? Why the need to run to mama's apron strings via a Rush Limbaugh transcript? THINK FOR YOURSELF!! Listen, I am a Rush fan too and I have always been offended by the media depiction that Rush fans are mind numbed robots. Don't prove them right! Study Huckabee for yourself because Rush is off the mark on this one.

Huckabee does NOT offer government as the answer to all of man's woes. He appeals to everyone's desire to improve their lot in life by GETTING RID OF THE SHACKLES IMPOSED BY GOVERNMENT. That was what he laid out on the Leno show the other night. Pretty sad he was given more opportunity to lay out his fiscal policy on an entertainment show than a typical Fox interview.

AnimalFarm1984 offered a plausible reason for Rush's wrath. Maybe it is bad blood with Rollins, I don't know but Rush is trying to cram Huckabee into a Ross Perot box. It doesn't fit, never will fit. Similarly, George Will is trying to cram him into a John Edwards box. That doesn't fit either.

Susan Stilley
http://www.politicsandchristianity.com
N/A writes: Saturday, January, 05, 2008 4:27 AM
Truth will still be told

Huckabee is both a liberal and a Populist. Those two are not good for the Republican party.

Romney needed, and had, the money to spend in an area saturated with Evangelicals, of which Huckabee had been a part of for decades. Huckabee had a natural base in Iowa, enough so that his political record was hardly questioned --he ran on religion and personality. Hence, Romney's ad comparisons. As Huckabee's real positions and history come under scrutiny, the smoke and mirrors game will really go into play for he has a lot to hide for one who is campaigning as a conservative.

A populist tries to solve peoples problems,tries to say he is one with them, when in reality he is Big Government. And although the candidate cannot solve the problems he says he can, the people still like to hear it. Populists take away people's freedom and make them dependent. Edwards and Hillary are also Populists. The current Populist position has evolved from when it began, and it is not a positive approach to leading the American people.

Read the transcripts from Rush Limbaugh's show for today, he speaks about much of this.

N/A writes: Saturday, January, 05, 2008 4:29 AM
Beck: Enlightening and Honest!
Glenn Beck's comments on Huckabee in Iowa: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KdJ0D_aiVA
N/A writes: Saturday, January, 05, 2008 4:36 AM
Beck: Enlightening and Honest!

Glenn Beck's comments on Huckabee in Iowa: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KdJ0D_aiVA

Mrs. Professor writes: Saturday, January, 05, 2008 5:07 AM
Truth still be told
Wow N/A, those apron strings are even tighter than I thought! :)

Okay, you can't bring yourself to actually listen to what Huckabee himself says. I understand. Actually, I don't but whatever. Perhaps a baby step is in order. Maybe you could bring yourself to read an excerpt of an article by Dick Morris, "Mike Huckabee Is A Fiscal Conservative." ...

"A recent column by Bob Novak excoriated Huckabee for a “47 percent increase in state tax burden.” But during Huckabee’s years in office, total state tax burden — all 50 states combined — rose by twice as much: 98 percent, increasing from $743 billion in 1993 to $1.47 trillion in 2005.

In Arkansas, the income tax when he took office was 1 percent for the poorest taxpayers and 7 percent for the richest, exactly where it stood when he left the statehouse 11 years later. But, in the interim, he doubled the standard deduction and the child care credit, repealed capital gains taxes for home sales, lowered the capital gains rate, expanded the homestead exemption and set up tax-free savings accounts for medical care and college tuition.

Most impressively, when he had to pass an income tax surcharge amid the drop in revenues after Sept. 11, 2001, he repealed it three years later when he didn’t need it any longer.

He raised the sales tax one cent in 11 years and did that only after the courts ordered him to do so. (He also got voter approval for a one-eighth-of-one-cent hike for parks and recreation.)

He wants to repeal the income tax, abolish the IRS and institute a “fair tax” based on consumption, and opposes any tax increase for Social Security.

And he can win in Iowa."
http://www.dickmorris.com/blog/?p=203

Yes, he certainly can!

Susan Stilley
http://www.politicsandchristianity.com
grassboots writes: Saturday, January, 05, 2008 5:19 AM
He Took a Muckin' and Kept on Huckin'
"With out the the evangelical vote, Romney beats Huck 66% to 13%."

Without the evangelical vote, Republicans lose. They make up about 38% of the Republican base.
sdfsdf writes: Saturday, January, 05, 2008 9:04 AM
He Took a Muckin' and Kept on Huckin'
"With out the evangelical's ANTI-MORMOM BIGOTRY, Romney beats Huck 66% to 13%."

Is that better grassboots?



poppy writes: Saturday, January, 05, 2008 9:23 AM
Christianity
I went to politicsandchristianity.com to find that many of the topics have a couple of blogger coments. Mitt Romney has a bunch and Mormonism has a bunch as well. This is a pack of wolves misunderstanding the teachings of the church and passing their understandings off as truth. If you so-called Christians are really as you say, then why do you print lies? For example, Mormons do not believe that Jesus was merely the spirit son of God. This is a distortion of every teaching the church has. Naturally, the author is ignorant of the true doctrine, but passes it off as if he were an expert. All this does is get those who are too ignorant to read anything published by the LDS church. You know this is wrongful in the eyes of the Christ that you confess--to bear false witness. A little research on your parts would go a long way...but your minds are set and that works for you. You do yourselves a discredit to the name you claim to bear.
Joe writes: Saturday, January, 05, 2008 9:47 AM
I agree with you Michael, but
you might want to send a memo to Hugh Hewitt. To his credit Hugh has not railed about anti Mormon bigotry but many of his readers have (and I suspect that is what Hugh thinks). Hugh is still despondent over Mitt's loss and is railing against McCain and Huckabee in general.

Hugh needs to face up to the fact that Obama is a heck of a candidate and probably the only GOP candidate who has a chance of beating him is John McCain. Perhaps it is time for Hugh to break bread and make peace with McCain.
Thotman writes: Saturday, January, 05, 2008 9:55 AM
bigotry and votes
I find it amazing...no amusing that someone who believes a Christ rose from the dead, can criticize the beliefs of others with a straight face.

If half the number of evengelicals who caucused had stayed home.. what would the outcome have been?.

Ed writes: Saturday, January, 05, 2008 10:02 AM
Evangelicals were 3.24 times MORE likely
to vote for Huckabee than non-Evangelicals.

Let me repeat, Evangelicals were 3.24 times MORE likely to vote for Huckabee than non-Evangelicals.

Spin it however you like but that's an incredible difference when they comprised 60% of the Republican caucus.

Here's a breakdown from the Iowa Republican vote:

According to news reports, 60% of Republican voters in the Iowa Caucus were Evangelicals.

Of these, 47% of them voted for Huckabee.

X = 60% x 47%

X = 28.2%

So, Evangelicals who voted for Huckabee comprised 28.2% of the total Republican voters.

Huckabee received 34% of the total Republican vote.

34.0 - 28.2 = 5.8%

Non-Evangelicals who voted for Huckabee comprised 5.8% of the total Republican voters.

28.2 / 34.0 = 82.94%

Evangelicals comprise 82.94% of Huckabee's vote despite being 60% of the caucus while non-Evangelicals only comprised 17.06% of those who voted for Huckabee despite being 40% of the voters.

82.94 / 60.0 = 1.38

40.0 / 17.06 = 2.34

1.38 x 2.34 = 3.24

Thus,
Evangelicals were 3.24 times more likely to vote for Huckabee than non-Evangelicals.

Michael, I've ALWAYS respected you and think you're a great guy, but numbers don't lie. It's pretty obvious religious bias was the PRIMARY factor in the Evangelical vote for Huckabee.

How else can one explain why a huge block of conservative people voted for a person with a liberal record as governor like Huckabee when the only common ground is he's an Evangelical like themselves?
IndependentAZ writes: Saturday, January, 05, 2008 10:05 AM
Christians vs. Mormon Christians
The only people who think Huckabee is even a Republican are fellow Evangelicals and then only the most easily led among them. So this article tells us more about Medved's religous presuasion than anything about the election. Yeah we know Evangelicals like each other and hate Mormons. Big surprize.
CO Conservative writes: Saturday, January, 05, 2008 10:10 AM
Cogito is on to something
Medved seemingly appropriately focuses on the "numbers" in making his point, but fails to focus on all the number. Sure only 46% of evangelicals voted for the Huckmeister, however, fails to acknowledge that Evangelicals were out in record numbers, even above the high 2000 turnout...dispropportionately high. This combined with the higher that historical influence on a candidates religion as being a factor in making their decision (I believe this was also revealed in the entrance polling), could lead to an entirely different reading of the numbers.

Mobilization is a part of winning elections, however, Huck isn't running for Governor of Iowa, if we was, his approach would be fine, but as many others point out, Republicans NEED a candidate with a broad appeal, there are reasons Mitt is the ONLY candidate who is competetive in nearly ever state (without relying on name recognition only circa. Fred/McCain/Guliani... who are faltering anyway). It's nice for Iowa to give a long shot a chance, but it is up to the rest of the country to use their heads to vet him now and figure out who can best compete and LEAD the country and FIX our problems.

Can someone please explain the Chuck Norris thing too!!! I mean seriously. I saw a video of Huckster after his change of heart news conference where he decided to go positive standing beside Huck (Huck with his head bowed in reverence) while Chuck when on a Mitt tirade slandering him up and down...excuse me, how is that positive...thats what we refer to in the rest of the world as "attack dogs" and Chuck is as much the mouth piece of Huck as Ed Rollins! Hypocrisy at its finest. Be that as it may, Huck doesn't stand a chance, so I am not too worried.
Danbar writes: Saturday, January, 05, 2008 10:14 AM
Only Time Will Tell
if a handful of narrow minded bigots can catapult Jimmy Carter Jr. (I speak of the Huckabigot of course) into the republican nomination. Some how I doubt it seriously. If somehow Heaven forbid Huck gets the nomination he will be fried by any and all of the dems.

The most likely scenario is that if Romney can't pick up the nomination, it will be a liberal Rudy or McCain. Heaven help the conservative cause if Huck, Rudy, or McCain come to represent what will have been the conservative Republican party.

It will definately be time for a third party.
TrueHawk writes: Saturday, January, 05, 2008 10:31 AM
Anti Average American Bigotry by Rush
Medved is saying what Juan Williams was tring to get through the thick skull of Bill O'Reiley on FOX, that just because one identified themselves as "evangelical" or "born again" did not mean they voted robotically. He challenged O'Reiley for having a bias of analysis against evangelicals and it was a bit tense.

The real statistic about Huckabee that irks George Will (and interrupts his insufferable searching through a dictionary in his attempt to impress us each day) is that unlike Will, Mike Huckabee speaks to the lower income voter, to the woman voter, and in Arkansas once had 40% of the African American vote. Surely the chattering class of the GOP establishment media elite must find Huckabee suspect if he has an appeal to the same folks who cut their lawns (except in Mitt's case when they are illegal immigrants who cannot vote.)

This is what is driving the bigotry that is now evident in National Review who knows the income base of it's subscribers and only plays to it's constituents who are embarassed by all of this talk of Huckabee about ending abortion on demand and promoting an amendment about traditional marriage. "Surely," they sniff, "this average man chatter must stop. James, go fetch Rush another cup of coffee."
They fear James their servant may vote for someone in their party.

When Rush leaves their well appointed mansion they say, "Dear, dear. I still don't like that man. Wasn't he once one of those average americans?"
Bernard writes: Saturday, January, 05, 2008 10:31 AM
What?
Joe,

MM is basically saying 2+2=9, how can you agree with that?

I guess you'd also believe your kid's claim that he's doing well in math because he has a B average in ALL his classes--even though he gets Fs in math (and As in the rest of his classes).
CO Conservative writes: Saturday, January, 05, 2008 10:49 AM
Shout out for Ed too...
I failed to give proper credit to the nice analysis pulled together by Ed, an apparent numbers guy. Very good analysis. Also, Glenn Beck did recognize all this irony as well (as someone pointed out earlier) See http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/198/3442 /

I am not saying in all this that Evangelicals are voting bigots, they may have just been rushed to make a decision because of the calendar and didn't have time to fully explore Huckabee as a candidate (I hope that is the reason).

I am also beginning to agree with the analysis that perhaps IA is not best suited to lead the nation anymore. Time to take a serious look at this. Perhaps Missouri or Ohio or something like that.

Thank you and good night...
Bryan writes: Saturday, January, 05, 2008 10:53 AM
Left out one number
The entrance (not exit, first mistake) polls, reported 60% said they were evangelical or born-again christians. That is double from 2000. Huckabee only had to get a percentage on the enlarged evangelical electorate to get the percentage points to win. No other state, maybe SC, will have a 60% evangelical participation.
Thotman writes: Saturday, January, 05, 2008 11:17 AM
Liars don't figure and Figures done lie
Nice job ED, how can someone as thotful as MM be so blindered that he reasons as he did in this article. I have listened to his show for a long time and have never noticed him depending on such logical fallacies. Must be his desire to support that Huck & McCain.
Thotman writes: Saturday, January, 05, 2008 11:18 AM
Liars don't figure and Figures done lie
Nice job ED, how can someone as thotful as MM be so blindered that he reasons as he did in this article. I have listened to his show for a long time and have never noticed him depending on such logical fallacies. Must be his desire to support that Huck & McCain.
dinaz writes: Saturday, January, 05, 2008 11:25 AM
Michael, Michael, Michael
You are an insanely, unbelievably BRILLIANT person and I remain a big fan.

But your to-the-death defense of Mike Edwards Huckabee and then you final coming out of your support for McCain (which sounds just like that Brooks guy from NYT, whom Hewitt rips) is evidence that your "Right Turn" is incomplete to say the least.

For America's sake I hope and pray you're wrong.
mrjimbo writes: Saturday, January, 05, 2008 11:25 AM
Huck a Conservative????
YAAA RIGHT.....

I am totaly dismayed with the Iowa Republicans, and if McCain wins NH, I will surender my affiliation with the Republican party. Huckabee WAS the dirty candidate in Iowa, and it WAS obvious.
While Romney is not a "Reagan" Conservative, he IS the only real choice of the party. I'm tired of hearing the "Flip Flop" line, especially from the republican candidates. Can one not evolve and change his mind? I have, but I have become prochoice instead of prolife (still prolife at the personal level)

Danbar is right, IT IS TIME for a strong Third Party, but to whom do I look at? Huckster will NEVER get my vote now, and I won't vote the Socialist Obama either.....
Hookem writes: Saturday, January, 05, 2008 11:53 AM
Voting as Anthropology!
supernovia says:

“The point here, is that we shouldn't be voting based on religious affiliation, but on a persons actions and ability to help america.”

NOTE: I do not advocate voting “based on religious affiliation.” It is something to be taken into account (I doubt an avowed satanic cult leader would poll very well).

Forget “right” and “wrong,” people vote for a candidate (some) the following reasons:
? Party affiliation
? Issues
? Personal affiliation with a candidate including:
o Race
o Gender
o Socio-economic standing
o Religion
? Physical appearance
o Stature (how tall a candidate is)
o Appearance of vigor
? Candidate age and health
? To counter a vote for another less attractive (appearance or issues) candidate
? You fill in the bullets…

Yes, well-educated people MIGHT be more prone to exercise their right to vote based on a candidates “actions and ability to help america,” but well-educated people (as well as posters to this site) have their own biases and blind spots (subjective, existential reasons for voting or belief systems).

Voting is an aspect of anthropology or biology (animals vote too, especially with regard to reproduction). The reason behind one’s decision can be more complicated with humans, but it is what it is.

Speaking of anthropology, I have observed that it is relatively commonplace for individuals (or groups) to look down on, demean or mischaracterize the reasoning for another individual or groups voting decisions!

I do believe (faith statement) in “right” and “wrong” by-tha-way.
pilgrim writes: Saturday, January, 05, 2008 11:55 AM
Huckabee's win
I hope he enjoys his moment in the Sun. By Super Tuesday Huckabee will be finished. His record in Arkansas shows him to be tax-happy and a pro-illegal immigrant politician.
n/a writes: Saturday, January, 05, 2008 12:06 PM
You are so correct in your observation..
Thank you for saying it, Mike!

I heard a conservative "pundent" (Bill Crystal - I believe) trying to explain the same thing during the post-caucus discussion. It was the "pundent" from the left (Susan Etheridge - I believe) who kept harping on this anti-Mormon sentiment.

Crystal, who has not been a big Huckabee fan, told Etherige that it wasn't anti-Mormonism, but concern over his past with abortion and other issues that made people doubt him. It was a trust issue.

I think it pleases some people on the left (and some on the right) to paint fundamentalist Christians as intolerant. It makes them seem foolish, in the eyes of the elite.

However, I for one, have not heard a single person mention faith as a reason to NOT vote for Romney, however the media has harped and harped on Huckabee's religious roots and if he is "too religous for the White House".

To me, Mitt Romney just seems like he is under the assumption that he can buy the office of President. Even his reaction to the Iowa loss reaked of an "I have more money than God" attitude..... "..one inning of a 50 inning game".

If you only win because you out spend everyone with misleading ads until they have to drop out, one by one, and NOT because the people chose you, what kind of President IS that?

Jungle John writes: Saturday, January, 05, 2008 12:09 PM
A steaming pile - freshly laid editorial
For over six months we've watched the media bestow Huckabee with hours and hours of air-time appearances and news coverage ABSOLUTELY FREE OF CHARGE! Now that the precious little media darling actually won, that isn't enough. This article is a feeble, unsuccessful attempt at giving Huckabee some OTHER reason for winning than evangelical bigotry and flat out media bias.

Let's see now. The media in NH is giving all the free gifts to McCain instead of Huckabee. IF the evangelicals didn't give him the win in IA, just watch how they DON'T EVEN give him a third of the vote in NH.
Todd writes: Saturday, January, 05, 2008 12:56 PM
All in th numbers
Medved, you are incorrect. It is about the evangelical support, not anti-mormonism, phoniness or anything else. In the last republican Iowa caucus, there was a turnout of 86,000 voters of which around 40%-45% were evangelical christians. This time 115,000 voted with 60% being evangelicals. It is obvious that most all those extra votes were evangelicals. Those extra voters picked Huckabee at over twice the rate of the nearest competitor (Romney) 46 to 19. It would also seem obvious that a former Baptist minister would appeal to the hearts and minds of these voters more than anyone else. The higher the evangelical turnout, the more obvious and more lopsided Huckabee's victory would be. This was not unknown to the Romney campaign. Romney's Iowa chairman stated before the election, that if turnout was over 80,000, the could be in trouble.

Quoting Medved: "The message ought to be obvious: the core issue was phoniness, not faith-- and the religious and non-religious alike react badly to phoniness." If that were true, it would not explain how Romney easily won the vote of the non-religious and Huckabee easily won the vote of the religious.

Phil writes: Saturday, January, 05, 2008 1:00 PM
Huckabee won because of Evangelicals
Bottom line:

Huckabee beat Romney among evangelicals more than 2:1
Romney beat Huckabee among non-evangelicals by 2:1

The difference in the election: Evangelicals beat non-evangelicals in turnout by a 60%-40% margin.

You manipulate stats to say whatever you want. I like what Ed put in a previous post (Evangelicals 3.24 times more likely). That sums it up. I don't think that it was so much anti-Mormon bias so much as it was a pro-Huckabee bias. This was clearly identity politics. They voted for Huckabee because he was "one of them". I believe Romney led in Iowa among evangelicals until Huckabee came along. So again, I don't think it was anti-Romney so much as it was pro-Huckabee.
Myrean writes: Saturday, January, 05, 2008 1:05 PM
Will not vote for Huckabee
Medved can spin it anyway he wants but here's the bottom line for me.

I've spent years supporting George Bush, making excuses for his lack of conservative values, counseling others to stay with him.

I'm not doing it for Huckabee. No way, no how. I'm done. Finished.

I will work for Thompson, Romney, even Rudy, but socialism is neither a Christian value or a family value and I will not support Huckabee's socialism.

So you go right ahead and push him and get ready to welcome Obama to the White House.

I'll concentrate on Congress instead.
kf writes: Saturday, January, 05, 2008 1:08 PM
Your analysis is wrong
I'm hoping your analysis is done tongue in cheek, because I just don't think it's supportable. The bias in voting comes in when people vote differently than they would if, in this case, the religious differences didn't exist. The question is not only "How many evangelicals voted for Huckabee vs Romney?", but "How many more voted for Huckabee than they would have, because he's an evangelical, in spite of his mostly liberal record?" and "How many voted against Romney, because he's a Mormon, in spite of his more conservative record?"

ANyway, I agree that Romney does come across as phoney, and Huckabee comes across as genuine. That just means that Huckabee is a more effective speaker. Romney's flipflopping has hurt him, too. But when you compare their records with their words, Huckabee comes across as much more phoney, and anything but conservative, except for being pro-life (which I am too). But do you think if he got voted into office, he would appoint conservative judges to further the pro-life agenda? Certainly not! He's too liberal on most issues to do that. So, in my opinion, voting for Huckabee because of his pro-life stance would be counter-productive.
N/A writes: Saturday, January, 05, 2008 1:13 PM
Debrar
Huckabee is slipping in New Hampshire. Guess without the well-groomed Evangelical foundation of his homestate of Arkansas he is forced to display more of his real campaign and platform. No more smoke and mirrors for Huckabee. He is a liberal running as a conservative. Do the research.
nwking writes: Saturday, January, 05, 2008 1:23 PM
Anti-Mormon Comments on Huckabee Website
The Salt Lake Tribune on 1/2/08 noted: "Despite apology, Huckabee's Web site hosts comments critical of Romney's Mormonism"
http://www.sltrib.com//ci_7861166?IADID=Search-www.sltrib.c om-www.sltrib.com

Huckabee's campaign has an established pattern of encouraging anti-Mormon discussion in an effort to win more votes. Medved correctly points out Romney has other problems besides anti-Mormonism. But I think Medved underestimates the religious fervor behind Huckabee's Iowa surge.

How is that people can get on an airplane and never think to ask the pilot about his faith, nor question the religion of their heart surgeon, or worry about the "righteousness" the fireman or the policeman, etc. and yet get all worked up over a Presidential candidate's theology? Why has religion suddenly overshadowed experience, integrity, talent, and new ideas? This is the USA, not Iran.
Jacob K writes: Saturday, January, 05, 2008 1:28 PM
Are you kidding me?
Michael Medved, whoever you are, your article is based upon a completely illogical premise.

Saying that someone "voted against" another candidate is a serious misnomer. The only valid statement is that someone "voted for" a candidate; you cannot assume that a vote for one candidate displays bias against another candidate.

The only valid assumptions that can be made from your numbers is that evangelicals prefer Huckabee to all other candidates, NOT that there is an "anti-Huckabee bias" amongst non-evangelicals. By your numbers, Huckabee received 14% of non-evangelical votes, and 48% of evangelical votes.

Nice try, but the numbers don't work the way you want them to.
Ex-tex writes: Saturday, January, 05, 2008 1:28 PM
More Romney dirty tricks...

Published reports that Fred Thompson soon will withdraw from the Republican presidential contest and endorse Sen. John McCain have been traced in part to Mitt Romney's campaign, trying to stir up strife between McCain and Thompson.

January 05, 2008
Mitt's Divided Strategy
By Robert Novak
margot writes: Saturday, January, 05, 2008 1:31 PM
Let's Get Honest about Bigotry
Let's get honest, Michael. Your column is anything but.
As noted above,Romney led among non-evangelical voters by 2-to-1 or more. If you have ANY doubts about anti-Mormon bigotry playing a role, analyze that and tell us what YOU think it means.
Explain Huckabee's not-too-carefully coded request that Baptist ministers provide buses to get their members to the polls. Explain the hate mail that is currently circulating in Florida and South Carolina from an alleged "PhD", full of ridiculous falsehoods about Mormon beliefs.
Then explain why the ad for which Huck staged a withdrawal from publication remained on the air for the next two days after he claimed he was not going to use it. THAT is phony. You might even say Holy Huck was being dishonest.
While those who are unfamiliar with good manners might not know the difference between that and being phony -- if anyone is a phony here, it is not Mitt Romney. MS

Con4fred writes: Saturday, January, 05, 2008 1:46 PM
Ex-Tex
Not surprising. As soon as it becomes apparent that Fred is for real, and the only adult in the race, I expect the longknives to come out from every direction.

The great thing about Fred though, he has very few negatives to attack. And the one that people will attack are easily defendable.
GB writes: Saturday, January, 05, 2008 1:52 PM
As a Mormon I do not believe
that the Mormon thing was an overriding issue. It would be ignorant to say it was a non-issue, but evangelicals relate to evangerlicals better. Who knew? I think the numbers as to Huckabee's evangelical support are irrefutable, and you know what? I'm okay with that.

I do not like Huckabee as a candidate for the facts that he is a phony. Fine, make the same case for Romney, but the latter is at least a proven and competent leader. The Club for Growth defines Huckabee as a fiscal liberal. In order to gain any endorsement whatsoever for illegal immigration Huckabee wrote a Gestapo-like bill that I have read. His economic policy is a disaster. You wanna see a flip flop, wait until Huckabee accepts (as he will) big money from Wall Street that he and John Edwards so eloquently besmirch.

Ed Rollins was hired by Huckabee to do dirty work and Huckabee knew exactly what he was doing. Really, how is Ann Romney's MS fair game, even in an Ed Rollins "private conversation with his wife that was not meant to be overheard."

Huckabee won amongst demographics who are notorious for their oblivion to actual issues. "He is likeable," is not an issue. "He seems genuine," is not an issue. "He is funny," is not an issue. That is why Huckabee won, not many voted on issues.
GB writes: Saturday, January, 05, 2008 1:58 PM
More Romney dirty tricks
There is no evidence for Novak's premise. He talks about sources he cannot name. Convenient. Everyone wants to paint Romney as this guy who is playing dirty politics. I've got news for you, no one is immune to these tactics. They all play them, it is just more newsworthy when a viable candidate does it.

It's like saying Bill Belichick is the only coach who steals signs in football. Let's have a real debate here over policy against policy.
Hyatt writes: Saturday, January, 05, 2008 2:01 PM
MM ignores the real question
Whether Huckabee's success is primarily due to his Evangelical support is secondary to Medved's implication that he is of superior ethical behavior when it comes to his politics, an opinion which I take exception to.

My impression is that the good governor plays the Baptist minister morality play while being less than honest about the "Christian" card he has finessed so well against Romney. His latest rescission of his negative attack ad on the eve of the Iowa caucus, knowing full well the MSM would play it for him for free over and over again, is a prime example.

To me, this is the lowest kind of politics, irrespective of his policies. Add in that it seems Mr. Huckabee seems a lukewarm version of Barack Obama [we need to talk more with our enemies, we need more help from the government to deal with God's inequities] or a softer Huey Long, I don't think he's much of a Republican let alone someone who has the answers to our presseing national and foreign problems.

What I really don't get is how supposedly conservative MM so shamelessly continues to shill for this guy.

Hey Michael, why not talk about something relevant right now? How our current President is selling Israel down the river and trying to repeat Clinton's failed Oslo legacy and appeasing Iran at the worst possible time! He and Condoleeza Rice are beginning to act like good old Neville, ya' think?
skitherockies writes: Saturday, January, 05, 2008 2:25 PM
The facts still remain....
While Huckabee puts on a good show the facts around him AND Romney still remain and no one including Huckabee wants to talk about the facts. First of all, I see nothing dishonest about Romney, hard nosed but not dishonest. Huckabee on the otherhand thinks that by staying silent on his liberal record will carry the day if you throw in a homey smile and a popular side kick. But I am not going to regurgitate Huckabee's record. Instead lets talk about delegates (and this applies to Hillary as well). After New Hampshire, even if Romney comes in second again, Romney will lead in delegates and he is riding high in Nevada and Michigan polls as well. Everyone wants to headge their bets on one good showing when in fact Iowa was just the beginning and it will take more than an Evangelical miracle to help Huckabee so let's see if you are right that more then Evangelicals are helping the poor dude out.
skitherockies writes: Saturday, January, 05, 2008 2:27 PM
The facts still remain....
While Huckabee puts on a good show the facts around him AND Romney still remain and no one including Huckabee wants to talk about the facts. First of all, I see nothing dishonest about Romney, hard nosed but not dishonest. Huckabee on the otherhand thinks that by staying silent on his liberal record will carry the day if you throw in a homey smile and a popular side kick. But I am not going to regurgitate Huckabee's record. Instead lets talk about delegates (and this applies to Hillary as well). After New Hampshire, even if Romney comes in second again, Romney will lead in delegates and he is riding high in Nevada and Michigan polls as well. Everyone wants to headge their bets on one good showing when in fact Iowa was just the beginning and it will take more than an Evangelical miracle to help Huckabee so let's see if you are right that more then Evangelicals are helping the poor dude out.
Rob writes: Saturday, January, 05, 2008 3:01 PM
Bigoted Christians will rule
All ministers that use their churches property, money, and influence to support any candidate or policital party ought to have their Churches charitable statuses revoked or be fined severly by the government.

SoldierOfTruth1 writes: Saturday, January, 05, 2008 4:14 PM
Why Would Anyone Vote Huckabee
Huckabee is one of the most dishonest politicians in the country, according to Judicial Watch. On the list of the most corrupt politicians the Huckster places #6. Rudy Giulliani comes in at #5, Hillar at #1 and Obama at #8. Do we really want a corrupt president. Appears to me sliom pickings in this election cycle. We should at least cast our votes for honesty and integrity which Huckabee clearly does not have.

See a complete rundown on Huckleberry Fudd's deceit at http://www.logicalsanity.com
Breck writes: Saturday, January, 05, 2008 4:30 PM
Michael Medved's case for Romney's loss
I'm not sure where Medved is coming from. I have yet to hear any coverage attributing Huckabee's win to anti-Mormonism. I have however seen most attribute it to the high Evangelical turnout including Romney himself. This is different, it's only natural that people tend to vote for those they relate to, I'm sure the percentage of Mormons that voted for Romney was higher than the rest of the field. Consider these numbers Medved. The total turnout for Republican caucus goers was about 114,000. Huckabee got 34% (about 38,800). Romney got 25% (about 28,500). That's a difference of about 10,300. The last competitive Republican caucus had a turnout of about 88,000 of which 44% were Evangelicals (about 38,700). This time they had a turnout of 60% (about 68,400), a difference of about 29,700. You have to figure that the extra 16% were likely motivated Huckabee supporters, but even if you take the extra 29,700 Evangelicals and have them voting for Huckabee at a rate of 46%, that's an additional 13,000 plus votes for Huckabee, when he only won by 10,000 plus votes. This proves that Huckabee's win was due to high Evangelical turnout. I agree that Medved's numbers probably show a prejudice toward Evangelicals, but his numbers don't prove that Romney lost due to phoniness, since it's very likely he would have won if it weren't for the high Evangelical turnout.
jeffchandler1 writes: Saturday, January, 05, 2008 5:01 PM
Bigotry as Only A Mormon Would Know.
It surprises me that Michael doesn't recognize, or acknowledged, bigotry in its nastiest form. Certainly a Jew can spot anti-Sematism. Accordingly, a Mormon can spot anti-Mormonism.

Just a bit of history...Across the Mississipi river from Iowa, in what was then the largest city in Illinois (yes, bigger than Chicago) the Mormons build a city as a refuge from bigotry and persecution. The Mormons were previously driven from their homes in Missouri, and fled to the far west to build a new home. Inevitable, Western hospitality established another "extermination order" for all Mormons in that part of the county. Mormons were ordered to be "shot on sight". This was only 150 years ago, and there has never been an outrage. But we Mormons remember. And the Iowans remember. And Mitt the Mormon never had a chance against the bigots in Iowa.

And while Michael Medved may not understand Mormonism enough to recognize the underlying bigotry from Mike Huckabee, we Mormons do, and resent it. Mitt doesn't wear his religion on his shirt sleeve, unlike Huck. And he has never disparaged anyone else for their beliefs. But somehow, it's okay for Huck to take cheap Mormon shots on CNN, or send out anti-Mormon Christmas cards on behalf of Mr. Romney.

Mike Huckabee, you should be ashamed of yourself.
Scorpion writes: Saturday, January, 05, 2008 7:40 PM
Phoneyism & Insincerity
Any occasion on which a person with no great name recognition and little money beats a multi-millionaire who spends a year sowing political seeds and spending as much as possible to garner votes, it is a great story. And if despite, various polls and pointers the press get it so wrong as it did on this occasion, it is nothing more than a reflection of the press's lack of analytical skills and incompetence. Furthermore, the candidate who loses needs to look at himself rather than any other factor.
Medved is correct. Romney is a model of phonyism and insincerity.
N/A writes: Saturday, January, 05, 2008 9:59 PM
Hate in the name of Christ
jeffchandler1 - You're right, Huckabee is an anti-Mormon, just like McCain's Mom (and probably McCain himself). Huckabee also has problems with Catholics.
Math_Mage writes: Saturday, January, 05, 2008 10:46 PM
COMPLETELY WRONG
Mr. Medved, you may not realize it, but the numbers you provide actually prove that the evangelical support base pushed Huckabee over the top. Your evidence that this is not the case is skewed by the huge proportion of evangelicals voting in Iowa, as is your allegation that non-evangelicals are out of step with Iowa as a whole. And in a state more representative of national religious preferences (i.e. one that has only 15% evangelicals rather than 40%) Huckabee gets only 19% of the vote, and Romney 29%. Finally, your allegation that 46% of the evangelical vote in a six-way race is not a huge advantage is frankly absurd. The statistics here show that the conventional wisdom is correct, and your interpretation has nothing to support it.
Mark writes: Saturday, January, 05, 2008 11:08 PM
Huckabee more conservative than Reagan?
Was Ronald Reagan a liberal because he raised taxes numerous times as Governor and President and granted amnesty to illegal immigrants?

In 1986 Ronald Reagan granted amnesty to 2.7 million illegal immigrants...


http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=50 359


Ronald Reagan also raised taxes multiple times during his Presidency including a hike in the gasoline tax...

"Faced with looming deficits, Reagan raised taxes again in 1983 with a gasoline tax and once more in 1984, this time by $50 billion over three years, mainly through closing tax loopholes for business. Despite the fact that such increases were anathema to conservatives..."

"Reagan raised taxes a grand total of four times just between 1982-84."


http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2001/0301.green.h tml


Using the logic of the secular conservatives, Ronald Reagan was a liberal.

Using the logic of secular conservatives, Mike Huckabee is more conservative than Ronald Reagan and George Bush.

Mark writes: Saturday, January, 05, 2008 11:10 PM
Huckabee More Conservative than Reagan?
Was Ronald Reagan a liberal because he raised taxes numerous times as Governor and President and granted amnesty to illegal immigrants?

In 1986 Ronald Reagan granted amnesty to 2.7 million illegal immigrants...


http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=50 359


Ronald Reagan also raised taxes several times during his Presidency including a hike in the gasoline tax...

"Faced with looming deficits, Reagan raised taxes again in 1983 with a gasoline tax and once more in 1984, this time by $50 billion over three years, mainly through closing tax loopholes for business. Despite the fact that such increases were anathema to conservatives..."

"Reagan raised taxes a grand total of four times just between 1982-84."


http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2001/0301.green.h tml


Using the logic of secular conservatives, Ronald Reagan was a liberal.

Using the logic of secular conservatives, Mike Huckabee is more conservative than Ronald Reagan and George Bush.

Mark writes: Saturday, January, 05, 2008 11:18 PM
Mike Huckabee: True Conservative
As a state Governor for 10 years, a Christian pastor for 12 years, and the author of several books, Mike Huckabee is more than qualified to be the next President of the United States.

Michael Medved is right!

The fact is, Mike Huckabee's overwhelming conservative Christian credentials speak for themselves.

Among Mike Huckabee's conservative credentials are...

Mike Huckabee is Pro-life.
Mike Huckabee is Pro-military.
Mike Huckabee is Pro-defense spending.
Mike Huckabee is Pro-death penalty.
Mike Huckabee is Pro-second ammendment.
Mike Huckabee is Pro-veterans.
Mike Huckabee is Pro-family.
Mike Huckabee is Pro-prayer in school.
Mike Huckabee is Pro-school vouchers.
Mike Huckabee is Pro-home schooling.
Mike Huckabee is Pro-Israel.
Mike Huckabee is Pro-biblical creation.
Mike Huckabee is Pro-marriage being defined as one man and one woman.

Mike Huckabee is Anti-darwinian evolution.
Mike Huckabee is Anti-gays in the military.
Mike Huckabee is Anti-gay marriage.
Mike Huckabee is Anti-abortion.
Mike Huckabee is Anti-embryonic stem cell research.
Mike Huckabee is Anti-illegal immigration
(but doesn't hold it against the children who were born here).
Mike Huckabee is Anti-IRS.
Mike Huckabee is Anti-amnesty.
(yes, he opposed the amnesty bill).
Mike Huckabee is Anti-socialized medicine.
Mike Huckabee is Anti-euthanasia.

That's a conservative.

Don't let the secular conservative piranhas fool you into thinking otherwise.

Mike Huckabee is a true conservative.

Math_Mage writes: Saturday, January, 05, 2008 11:52 PM
Yes, yes, we get it, Mark
We know Huck's a social conservative. He just happens to be a fiscal liberal who knows nothing about foreign policy. Save him for some time when we aren't fighting two wars and trying to salvage Pakistan as well. You say he's more liberal than Reagan because Reagan raised taxes a grand total of four times? Count how many times Huckabee raised taxes and the total increases in his time as Arkansas governor. As for Bush, we know he was a big-government Republican (NOT a big-government conservative, that's an oxymoron), and that doesn't mean we should want Huckabee.

Also, apropos to my earlier post, I have a post analyzing the numbers Mr. Medved presents, here:
http://magesplane.blogspot.com/
Mark writes: Sunday, January, 06, 2008 4:13 AM
Reagan was a bigger taxer...
As Governor of California, Ronald Reagan's tax increases were at a much higher rate. In fact, "adjusted for inflation and population growth," Reagan's tax hikes were 20 times higher than what took place in Arkansas under Huckabee.

Imagine, Ronald Reagan's $1 billion tax hike ($10 billion in today's dollars) was 20% of the state's budget!

"Reagan's $1 billion tax hike, at a time when the total state budget was only about $5 billion, would amount to more than $10 billion today, adjusted for inflation and population growth."

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1282/is_17_55/ai_10 7223556

Using the logic of fiscal conservatives, Ronald Reagan was a big government liberal, not a conservative.



supernovia writes: Sunday, January, 06, 2008 5:34 AM
yeah, Scorpion
Down with the Rich! Up with the bigots!
lo writes: Sunday, January, 06, 2008 9:50 AM
don't be schmoozed!
Romney's the man! As far as Wannabee, Hickabee...look at his foul liberal Clintonesque record as governor (Arkansas is still at the bottom on every statistic nationwide since his reign...raised taxes, very weak). After Bhutto’s assassination, he did not even know that there had been a cease-fire 2 weeks prior, plus he NEVER answers a question directly, he is sarcastic & EXTREMELY unpresidential. Who cares if he can play the bass guitar, I'm not looking for a jazz playing president from Arkansas, we've done that already!
eworthi writes: Sunday, January, 06, 2008 3:18 PM
A Mitt hit from 2005
Ever wonder how Mitt might have done in a Gubernatorial election? Read on: http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/2005/10/mitt_rom ney_trailing_in_massachusetts_poll/
He would have lost to both Dem's and Repub's after his innefectual term as Gov.
I especially like this quote "...the prospect of a guy who can’t win re-election in his own state moving on to the presidency is quite bizarre"
Huckabee gets labled as a fiscal liberal for actually governing as governor while Mitt gets a pass for buying his governors seat while dreaming of the oval office.
cornpone harry writes: Sunday, January, 06, 2008 8:53 PM
evangelicals are sleazy bigots!
Thanks to all you sophisticated, open minded, kind, tolerant, patient, long suffering, kind hearted, enlightened intellectuals for your keen insights: You exposed us evangelicals for who (or what) we are with irrefutable logic, kind hearted but loving candor, and overwhelming evidence.

Yes, we are sleazy, dishonest, ignorant, mean spirited Christian bigots-and whatever else you onmisciently discern us to be !

And since that's exactly what we are, we are naturally going to vote for our sleazy, sneaky, immoral, bigoted, ignorant, unqualified, manipulative, unprincipled, religious Christian "Rino" nut job candidate-in spite of all the irrefutable evidence you kindly supply us with-because that's the way we are!


End of.

Happy New Year!
Hookem writes: Sunday, January, 06, 2008 10:23 PM
"H" and "B" BOMBS
N/A’a post reads:

“Hate in the name of Christ” and agrees with jeffchandler1 that “Huckabee is an anti-Mormon.”

N/A, it is easy to equate logical disagreement with a religious sect regarding doctrine as “hate.” Newsflash, being anti-Mormon is not “hate in the name of Christ!”

Unfortunately, it is intellectually and philosophically dishonest to reduce valid disagreements, over the validity of theological truth-claims, to hate or even worse, “hate in the name of Christ”.

I’m not certain that you understand hate, and quite certain that you should leave Jesus, The Christ, out of partisan discussions.

Do you “hate” Huckabee “in the name of Christ” because you perceive him to be “anti-Mormon?” Maybe in your rush to label, libel and indict, you do so to your very self.

The same goes with the “B” bomb being tossed about so cavalierly. WOW, how easy it is to call someone a bigot.

Disagreement over doctrine or stance, “hate” is not!

I DO NOT believe (faith statement based on theological interpretation) that the grace of God (Judeo Christian) is dispensed through transubstantiated bread (as promulgated in Catholic doctrine). Will you label, libel, and indict me of “hate?”

A little less love, a little more logic PLEASE!
CLF writes: Monday, January, 07, 2008 7:53 AM
You're Full of It Michael!
I've been a fan of yours Michael but now I must say concerning your discounting anti-Mormon bigotry -- you're full of it! I know you're in love with Huck and want to see him elected, but it should not color your analysis.
Math_Mage writes: Tuesday, January, 08, 2008 2:03 AM
Mark, why Reagan's stint as CA Governor
instead of his stint as, er, President???

Do you want PROOF that Huckabee is an economic liberal? Here's some evidence from the Cato Institute:
http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=8838

Huckabee received a D from them in economic conservatism, after spending increased by more than 65% and taxes increased by 47%.
cpulfer writes: Tuesday, January, 08, 2008 10:01 AM
Huck won Iowa on Religion. WAKE UP!
The very first poll on MSNBC following the Iowa caucus said that of all the people that voted for Huck, 86% said that it was "very/pretty important that the candidate shared the SAME RELIGIOUS beliefs as they did". Remove that 86% and Huck got 5th place. There is no contest with Huckabee. He is a ploy the democrats are using to defeat all hopes that the Republicans have in the Generals.

Don't let the leftest media destroy the republican race. Watch the debates and learn for yourselves. The clear leader stands out every time.
lo writes: Tuesday, January, 08, 2008 10:35 AM
huckabee
Huckabee released > criminals than the combined total of every AR border state(TX,OK,MO,TN,MS,& LA)
When the AR Supreme Court ruled that AR’s public school funding was “inequitable,” Huck took the ruling as a mandate to raise taxes in order to increase school funding.
During his 10 yrs as gov, state $ more than doubled($6.6 bill-$16.1 bill),higher education & public schools got big >, as did social services. The state added about 8,000 full-time workers to its payroll, a 19%> (Bureau of Legislative Research).
He was a disaster on immigration . Every time there was any enforcement in his state, he took the side of the illegal aliens.” Roy Beck, pres of NumbersUSA, a grp that played a major role in rallying the phone calls that helped defeat this yrs Senate immigration bill.
During his tenure,Huck accepted 314 gifts valued at > $150,000, according to documents filed with the ARs’ Secretary of State Office.
The Huckabees set up wedding registries at local department stores as he was leaving office(eventhogh married for 30 years). State ethics laws prohibited Huck from receiving gifts of > $10,but there was an exception for wedding gifts.
Judicial Watch, a non-partisan group dedicated to fighting government corruption, listed Huck on their 10 Most Wanted Corrupt Politicians of ‘07. He was 1 of only 3 Republican politicians to make the list
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