Thursday, October 09, 2008
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'Uncommitted' Townhall Questioner
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Posted by:
Amanda Carpenter at
4:40 PM
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Would you classify someone who said he would probably vote for Obama as an "uncommitted" voter?
No? Ah, well. Then you must not be the person who selected "uncommitted" voters for the presidential town hall on Tuesday.
Here is what Oliver Clark, the man who asked the first question about Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, posted on his Facebook page today:
CLARK: So the Sunday before last, I received a call from the Gallop Poll. They asked a few questions regarding my choice in the Presidential election. They asked who I would vote for. I said most likely I would be voting for Barack Obama. They followed with, “is there any chance that you would change your mind“? I said “Of course anything is possible.” They then asked me as an uncommitted voter would I like to participate in the Town hall debate. I said “Of course!” MSNBC's First Read found this, but they didn't highlight the part where Clark said he was essentially supporting Obama and then was picked. They decided to flag this part where Mr.Clark speculates McCain is racist because McCain suggested the American public may not be familiar with how exactly Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac worked.
CLARK: In defense of the Senator from Arizona I would say he is an older guy, and may have made an underestimation of my age. Honest mistake. However, it could be because I am a young African-American male. Whatever the case may be it was somewhat condescending regardless of my age to make an assumption regarding whether I was knowledgeable about Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.
MSNBC didn't go with the obvious story about bias, they're running away with the raaaaaaaaaacist charge. Sort of sums up the entire race so far, doesn't it?
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http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2008/1008082vote r2.html
A nutjob threatens to shoot and kill election workers if he can't vote. Check it out and read the ENTIRE police report, complete with his rant about wanting to vote to keep the [pardon the expression] n-word out of office.
This is what a Rightwing bigot looks like. Thank you McPalin for bringing them out in full force. |
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We do need to keep the rightwing nut jobs under control. Don't see any leftwing nut jobs anywhere do you? Nooooo, not you. |
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I know the conservatives would see it as buckling under the pressure of the mainstream media...but remember in 1980 when Reagan went to Harlem?
That's all that's needed to settle this racism stuff once and for all. McCain/Palin have an event in a predominately black community -- Hell, go on BET for 30 minutes. I know it would put a bad taste in the mouth of "the base"...but you COULD NOT LABEL THEM as racists after that.
It's really Sarah Palin more than McCain. McCain's been with us a long time and no one thinks he's a racist. I'm black and I didn't flinch at "that one" (well, just a little but I know he wasn't making a racial comment).
No one knows Sarah Palin and that means it's much easier to project things onto her.
He's a "maverick" right? Well, the maverick move would be to take this head-on. Put it to bed. |
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Nero you're an idiot. No sane thinking person, let alone a conservative espouses any of the crap you post. Get a life!
I'm tired of all this racist junk. Why isn't 95% of the black vote going to Obama considered racist? What an absolute gutless and cowardly news media organization we have. Everything is viewed through the uber sensitive prism of race. Screw them! I'm fed up with the microanalyzing of every darn comment to make it sound like it's racist.
The most demeaning comments in all of these two years of campaiging have come out of Obama (...clinging to guns and religion...though I consider that downright American) and Biden (commenting on Obama and his skin color as it relates to the campaign). What a joke! |
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No 'kissing gates,' no 'right to pass' in Mr. Brokaw's view of the public debate.
Not one question on social concerns, guns, abortion, civil unions, gays, bio-ethics, church-state, states rights, 10th amenedment, crime, Governmental Reform, animal rights, research and developement, etc.
Mr. Brokaw insured that the discussion would avoid anything that could differentiate Sen. Obama and Sen. McCain on issues that divide sections of the electorate.
It was a paltry throttle by a man that has no respect for the differences within our polity.
We know Sen. Obama is frightened of the open exchange and his second, Mr. Brokaw, made sure the path was restricted and the way obstructed.
The questions were pedestrian and the debate DOA.
Each time I hear of Mr. Brokaw's love of country as expressed by his work on "The Greatest Generation", I'll remember how he strangled debate in 2008 and what that says about his respect for the men and women that fought the battles of the W.W. II.
As to the 'uncommitted voters' we've been treated to on CNN and NBC and to some degree on FOX, what baloney.
That this fellow was the lead-off in the second debate shows the dark heart of Brokaw and the selection process.
As Ronald Reagan said of the Soviets, "The only morality they recognize is what will further their cause, meaning they reserve unto themselves the right to commit any crime, to lie, to cheat."
Substitute Brokaw, NBC, Arthur Sulzberger, the Democratic Leadership, etc for Reagan and you've updated a truism.
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I would assume they would also allow a "leaning McCain" voter to attend the Townhall as well. If that's the case, what's the big problem? Maybe their definition of uncommitted is different from yours but that is not the same as bias. |
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All of us right wing nutjobs are watching you and out to get you. If you are not careful we will also steal your lunch money! |
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What in the world does ACK stand for? Never mind, it's bound to be dumb. |
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So did Oliver ever go on and say he actually knows how Fannie and Freddie work? |
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No one will challenge your claim of bullying - it's a prime RW character trait. Funny thing, though, according to a recent study I read, the bullies who people the Republican Party were also the weakest, whiniest pre-schoolers, and the one's most likely to scare easiest. Lizard brain meet Ape, what a combo. |
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Look, I'm definitely more left than right but I'll readily admit that we have our nutjobs too so I won't dare say that the right has the monopoly on crazy people.
The shotgun thing is a little disturbing and the "ni%%er" stuff hurts my feelings, but I won't dare say that all republicans are racists. Plenty of racist democrats too. Too many black people that think all white people want them to go to hell.
Unfortunately, it's all over the place.
I've been mentored by plenty of white conservatives and they have been good friends to me, even though I am much more socially liberal than them.
All I have been thinking over the past week is that America is better than this. |
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pinhead ... try living in my neighborhood as a white guy for a week and tell me about hate. You think you "know" conservatives but what you know is a lie that has been fed to you for your entire liberal life. You are living in a matrix like false reality that you can never actually examine because your "world" would come crashing down around you.
You tink you are good person because of your liberal beliefs but you never, ever examine the results of your ideas in the real world.
In the real world your taxes destroy jobs.
In the real world handouts aren't a hand up they are the gateway to dependency on government.
In the real world people fly airplanes into building because they HATE US, and not because we support the jewish state.
In the real world your health care is your responsibility, not mine, not the governments.
You are a sad example of liberal ignorance in America today and if Obama wins the socialist/marxist nightmare that follows will be indiscriminate in the victims it claims, you may easily be one of them.
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Are you too obtuse to understand humor? Relax I'm not really going to steal your lunch money.
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Where do you live, man?
I'm sorry if there are some jerkoff black people in your neighborhood, but I promise you we're not all like that.
*sigh*
Try to keep your mind open. In the end, you won't be disappointed.
B. |
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I thought the dig about lizard brains and apelike brutishness was pretty funny. Sorry if it struck a nerve. |
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Do you hear yourself? Really. It's disturbing. Sadly, I think that McPalin is bringing the very worst out in their base - and it really is mostly just their base. Those tools at the rallies are really highly selected indoctrinated 20-percenters, and they are buying into the veiled threats being laid out there by McPalin. Your candidates SHOULD be reining in these clowns, but instead seem bolstered by the hate - and this isn't disturbing to you?
I fear for Obama. I fear for anyone who dares to win against the bullies and the clowns who think they should own our government - and right now, that defines the GOP. What a nightmare - and you, ghost, only feed into it. Shame on you, casper. |
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"Why isn't 95% of the black vote going to Obama considered racist?"
Because a huge percentage of the black vote has always gone to the Democrats, no matter what color they were. Having the nominee be black has only increased that by a small amount, about as much as having a candidate of Italian extraction would increase the vote from the Italian-American community. It's not racism, it's pride. |
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in the Republican base - who is to be blamed for inciting the vast numbers of hate spewers routinely posting at the Daily Kos/Huffington Post and the DU?
Or are we to believe that the Democratic base is all down in the gutter? Perhaps there is no need to rein in those vitrolic supporters if that is considered the norm for Obama supporters. |
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Foe once we agree on something! I'm voting for McCain because he's white and i'm white. "It's not racism, it's pride"! |
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It's pride. That's what you write about Obama getting 95% of the black vote. But he also conveniently plays the race card when he's asked to give a reason for any wrongdoing or suspicious decision or association. Goodness, if the Democrats don't win the White House this go around that party better ask itself some serious questions. This is a very unlevel playing field.
What tripe though. If race relations are to really improve then you just can't vote for someone because they're black. That's not simply pride to me. That "pride" can potentially give us the most harmful regime this country has ever had. That "pride" is really not taken to task and we are not having a legitimate discourse on debate because the media is in the tank for Obama and too many in this country are just scared of the outcome (with and without reason). |
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...discourse on race...
My post should read. Mea culpa. |
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"I'm voting for McCain because he's white and i'm white."
That's probably the best reason anyone's come up with to vote for McCain. |
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"If race relations are to really improve then you just can't vote for someone because they're black."
In my example of a candidate of Italian descent, did you think that I was saying that the SOLE criterion those Italian-Americans were using was that the candidate was a paisano? As always, you right-wingers tend to assume that everything is entirely (excuse me) black and white.
It's really more of the good old wingnut condescension. If normally 90% of blacks vote Democratic and this year it's 95%, you're quite willing to believe that the extra 5% are switching their votes solely because the candidate is black, that they're stupid enough to vote entirely on that basis. So basically you're assuming that they're stupid. Racism. |
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I have ben called a racist&bigot all my life for my conservative belief let us look at it racist is racialism a doctrine or feeling of racial antagonisms prejudice haterd or discrimination dam thats a lot now bigot man with a mustache hence man of spirit obstinate person a narrow-minded person who holds blindly and intolerantly to a particular creed opinion well I guess that covers all of us except the poor liberals they will just have to be communist but no matter who you are get out and VOTE THIS THE ONE RIGHT WE HAVE LEFT SO USE IT |
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Punctuation. Learn it, use it, believe it. |
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"Shame on you, casper."
That's nice. Real nice. You racist piece of trash. |
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Obama was in a church for 20 years,
20 years, with Rev Wright, thats right,
and didnt know what was going on,
Rezko his neighbor a convicted felon,
said he just worked for him for 5 hours,
he lied,
he knows Rezko for 20 years and raised millons for Rezko thru the Senate,
Bill Ayers another neighbor of Obama,
Ayers is a terrorist,
and Obama worked with Ayers helped Ayers with over 100 million dollars for schools,
Farrakhan another neighbor went to the millon man march with Farrakhan,
and was endorsed by him,
and so many others,
that I cant pronounce their names,
character is the question,
Your judged by the company that you keep |
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Do you use the same scrutiny for McCain and Palin?
Do you question:
Palin's religious views, considering that she has "sat in" on sermons by the likes of Pastor Bricker, who promotes the notion of "Jews for Jesus" an anti-semitic view of how Jews should accept Christ or be doomed?
Palin's Witch Doctor who conducted a "laying of hands" on her to help rid her of demons so that she might be elected as governor? Does it bother you much to see what might equate to voodoo or some kind of outre religious zealotry there?
Palin's vindictive abuse of power as Governor? TrooperGate is a REAL concern for anyone who is fed up with the current occupants of the WH, who happen to also be Republicans who enjoy the powers of their office a bit TOO much.
Palin's alleged and McCain's admitted adultery? Have you scrutinized their sins in that regard? Apologizing for past indiscretions is one thing, but mind you - Obama has denounced Rezko, Wright and Ayres for their views and misdeeds, so where's the famous RW selective Christian forgiveness that seems to have embraced the McCain/Palin sins?
McCain's been tied to Domestic terrorism by knowingly attending their fundraisers.
McCain was famously involved as a corrupted member of the Keating Five - he's since been "absolved" of guilt by the GOP based merely on his admission of guilt and promise of "reform". I might add that he is currently surrounded by over a hundred special interest lobbyists - 84 of whom were directly involved in helping perpetuate the financial crisis with their promotion of de-regulation.
So, Sal - have you given your OWN side some serious scrutiny yet or are you going to be typically blinded by the "repeat lies enough and it becomes true" mentality? |
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Nero Davola,
Thats not the same,
Fannie,Freddie,ACORN,Pelsoi,Dodd,Reid,Franks,
Franklin Rains,Jim Johson,Obama, then you have Obamas anti American associates, Like Ayers,Rezko Farrakhan,Wright,Pfleger,
who live in the same neighborhood,
just a coincidence? |
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