Friday, February 15, 2008
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Two Headlines And The Radical, Anti-National Security Democrats
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Posted by:
Hugh Hewitt at
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Both from the MSM's "paper of record," The New York Times:
U.S. to Produce Data on Iran’s Nuclear Program
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House Leaves Surveillance Law to Expire
The first story reminds those who need it that the threats arrayed against the U.S. are extreme and growing.
The second story is an account of the astonishing and outrageous conduct of the radical House Democrats. In a time of war and WMD, of jihad and regular attacks against targets across the globe, the House Democrats have intentionally blinded the U.S. to intelligence it could otherwise have gathered:
The House broke for a week’s recess Thursday without renewing terrorist surveillance authority demanded by President Bush, leading him to warn of risky intelligence gaps while Democrats accused him of reckless fear mongering.
The refusal of Speaker Nancy Pelosi, Democrat of California, to schedule a vote on a surveillance measure approved Tuesday by the Senate touched off an intense partisan conflict over the national security questions that have colored federal elections since 2002 and are likely to play a significant role again in November.
The Senate bill enjoyed broad biparitsan support, and it would easily pass the House if the radical Democrats led by San Francisco's Pelosi would allow the vote.
Even though many House Democrats would vote to pass the law, each one of them owns this recklessness because they put Pelosi in the Speaker's chair. They are each as responsible as she is for this unbelievable stunt that endangers American lives as well as the lives of innocents wherever terrorists are planning attacks. This is a defining moment for the anti-national security Democrats, one that should remain front and center of all the Sunday shows as well as the next nine months. Democrats are gambling with the country's safety, and their denials of this obvious fact as well as the reality of the strong majority support for the law conveys how dangerous it is to allow them to continue to lead in the Congress or to assume the presidency.
UPDATE: How radical have the Democrats become? Daniel Ortega is praising Senator Obama's campaign as "revolutionary":
MANAGUA, Nicaragua: President Daniel Ortega, who led the 1979 revolution in Nicaragua, says Barack Obama's presidential bid is a "revolutionary" phenomenon in the United States.
"It's not to say that there is already a revolution under way in the U.S. ... but yes, they are laying the foundations for a revolutionary change," the Sandinista leader said Wednesday night as he accepted an honorary doctorate from an engineering university.
Ortega led a Soviet-backed government that battled U.S.-supported Contra rebels before he lost power in a 1990 election. He returned to office last year via the ballot box....
Ortega also called Obama a spokesman for the millions of Central American and Mexican citizens who migrate to the U.S. in search of work, though polls indicate most Latino voters so far have favored Clinton over Obama.
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Where in the Constitution does it say that federal judges are more trustworthy and wise than the President or Congress? Judges can be venal in the same ways as politicians. FISA is no guarantee of anything. It's just a hindrance.
On the other hand, it's bizarre to not protect the telecommunications who cooperate with the legally constituted authorities to catch and thwart terrorists. These companies are agents and their acts in this regard should be viewed as the acts of the federal agencies who request them.
Maybe we need a statue of Pelosi with a plaque:
Send me your criminals, your terrorists,
Your depraved murderers pursuing martyrdom;
Send these, the faceless enemies of liberty and life to me.
I hamper all who seek to stop your nihilistic dreams" |
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Hard to believe that anyone could play games with our national security. You'd think they'd get it. I hardly know what to say anymore. |
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I have absolutely no trouble believing it. Radical Dems are traitors. To think that they would do this on the same day that Hezbollah is threatening Israel and the western world in retaliation for the death of that terrorist in Syria. Traitors, every one of them. |
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lula may writes: Thursday, February, 14, 2008 7:35 PM
Darkside
I mentioned before I sometimes go to the darkside (air america)just to hear what they are thinking. Today I got more than I bargained for. If the RNC could get a tape of this it would be very informative to the American people. This was between 3-4pm central standard time. Every voter should hear what the democrat left are saying.
Today being Valentine Day they had a comedy skit. Instead of giving your sweetheart chocolates give them a fear-o-gram. They had a tape of President Bush talking about the dangers of terrorism. Oh we are so scared. We can go home and hide under the covers with our loved ones. The world is coming to an end.
Well Randi Rhodes and her crew just thought this was the funniest thing they had ever heard. They are screaming and laughing the terrorist are coming to kill us.
Boy they must have been in stitches over 9-11. What a messed up, sick group of people.
I'm telling you this clip should be used by the Republicans.
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I asked a liberal friend one day what he thought the solution to stemming terrorism around the world should be.
The answer I recieved was: "we (U.S.) just may need to take a few hits for the sake of world peace".
Wake up America. |
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Do you think we could email the terrorists and suggest if they want to hit a corrupt, immoral place they could, hmmmmm, maybe, hmmmm, naci's country. They wouldn't run into any marines to spoil their assault. Gosh the pink ladies would be there welcoming them with a cup of coffee and pink signs. |
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"Hard to believe that anyone could play games with our national security. You'd think they'd get it. I hardly know what to say anymore."
Games like making passage contingent on immunity for the telecom companies? If this is so critical, put it in a bill BY ITSELF, and then the House and Senate would pass it. Debate the immunity on its own merits instead of insisting it be included so you can use the resitance to that specific part of the bill to claim the high ground on national security.
Which side is playing games? |
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Sad when a fellow Comrade doesn't want to kill off his nation's posterity and actually praises the Bush Administration for their effective financial aid package? You won't hear about that on MSM will ya, Bugs???? |
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Dems heads in with this outrage, then they are nuts. He needs to lay it at Nancy Pelosi's two colluding buddies' feet, Hillary and Bazama.
Briggs: I think you're truly losing it and need a nice long rest. Say, my favorite mountain redoubt in Central Switzerland, Murren. Please...Go! What the heck is 'Anti-Reproductive Choice' mean? Is that the newest morph of the real term: Anti-Abortion? I got'sta know, Briggsy!
It'll be interesting to see if the "former" Leninist-Stalinist, Commandante Ortega, is really reformed. He may just be. Nicaraguans believe him to be. I shall withold judgment...for now. Wonder what the relatives--if any survived--of the 10,000 Miskito Indians dipatched by those Progressive Land Reformers, the Sandinistas, think of Danny's reemergence. Oh well, it was for the greater good of The People. |
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Games...this the the games. The House had enough votes to pass the Senate bill and the Proleterate Hoyt and Pelosi would NOT ALLOW A VOTE!!!! What part of DEMOCRACY is that? If telecoms aren'r shielded they will not give the government access. Without access we cannot listen to Jihadists while they plot.
So you don't want the telecoms to help the government listen to Jihadists?
Please give you city and state....we want the Jihadists to know that....since it's a game to you. |
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Invited to the stoning pits to view the Pinkies & the Tolerate Everything Nancy take incoming rocks from Dark Age Islamist Butchers demonstrating their affection for Freedom.
Hey, I can have my fantasies! |
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Obama voted against the senate bill. Hillary was conveniently absent. Look out all you who want to sit out the election.
Hold your nose for Captian Queeg. |
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Nasticrats don't deal in fear mongering over the hype of global warming????now there's a really scary thought. The globe might warm up a degree in 50 or so years.....maybe Air America could make a spoof of hiding under the bed over a degree warm up...or... maybe they should wait until the -40 F winter is over....just a thought! |
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"Where in the Constitution does it say that federal judges are more trustworthy and wise than the President or Congress? Judges can be venal in the same ways as politicians. FISA is no guarantee of anything. It's just a hindrance."
Nowhere, but it does say the Judiciary is a separate branch of govt. that oversees the issuing of warrants. If a judge is guilty of misconduct that person can be impeached and removed as what happen to Alcee Hastings. You don't like FISA? Amend the Constitution and remove the Fourth amendment.
"On the other hand, it's bizarre to not protect the telecommunications who cooperate with the legally constituted authorities to catch and thwart terrorists. These companies are agents and their acts in this regard should be viewed as the acts of the federal agencies who request them."
It is even more bizarre to protect them when those "legally constituted authorities" ask them to break the law in the first place and then seek to give them immunity from lawsuits where individuals had their rights violated. There are a number of folks here who need to be punished not only in the private sector, but also in the govt.
Now which is it? Are you in favor of the Constitution and the BORs or not? Most comments here indicate a real failure to appreciate these documents if not a genuine hatred of freedom.
deadpan, I really hope you are deadpanning humor with your post.
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I really don't think the Left cares if we are attacked again. I hope and pray we are not. As Bill O'Reilly said on his radio program yesterday, if we are attacked the nation will turn sharply right. So in their self interest it seems Pelosi would have allowed the vote to be voted on.
"The wicked dig a pit and fall into it themselves." |
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The President already has the Constitutional authority to conduct this surveillance, as you pointed out in your extensive coverage of FISA a while back. The expiring law was passed in the wake of one corrupt federal judge (a Carter appointee as I recall) who ignored the law and the Constitution to interfere with the President's legitimate excercise of his powers. Rather than wait through a protracted court battle, with the telephone companies reluctant to cooperate until it was settled, the President got the FISA statute amended to explicitly authorize the activity. (A bad precedent in my mind, since it implies the activity was illegal before the new law.) The problem is, that without the new statute the President will probably not get the cooperation he is entitled to for fear of more specious lawsuits. |
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Ryan has us pegged. Damn. Thought we'd kept it hidden. |
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From IPerceive.net
Congressional Dems Fiddle While Rome Burns: Steroidal Theater of the Absurd
by Kurt Schulzke
Henry Waxman and Nancy Pelosi are a national disgrace. If the Republicans can’t take back the House from the likes of these incompetent clowns, we are emphatically a nation in decline. In the video below, you’ll see Rep. Henry Waxman pick a fight with pitcher Roger Clemens and his attorneys over why Clemens didn’t invite Waxman’s goons to talk with Clemens’ former nanny before she talked with Clemens. Topping off the intense drama, Waxman — who clearly took considerable pains to set the trap for Clemens — pompously reads Clemens a scolding from a script.
Speaking intelligently about such ludicrous trivia is apparently above Waxman’s pay grade. This congressional soap opera takes place against the backdrop of an expiring FISA, a major piece of federal law-enforcement legislation on which arguably hangs our national security against future 9-11s. Pelosi, Waxman and friends should be ashamed of themselves to be squandering — by one analysis — $1 million on baseball’s Steroidgate in the middle of a war. Shame, however, is in woefully short supply in the current Congress.
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In your case I think you wish to deny it to others while maintaining it for yourself to show to the world what a complete fool you are by demonstrating your total ignorance. |
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1. We are not 'blind'. We can continue to pursue intelligence on targets for up to 1 year after the law's expiration. The administration can also use the 2001 FISA law that the Bush administration pushed for and sung praises about to continue to identify new targets for surveillance.
2. President Bush and the Republicans share as much blame for this as the Democrats for refusing to consider additional extensions. They played chicken expecting the Democrats to blink (and frankly, given how often the Democrats have, it was not a bad assumption).
"Where in the Constitution does it say that federal judges are more trustworthy and wise than the President or Congress? Judges can be venal in the same ways as politicians. FISA is no guarantee of anything. It's just a hindrance."
Separation of powers is the key. The whole 'checks and balances' thing.
Yes, judges are not holy men, but they are in a separate branch of government that is supposed to provide a break on the excesses of the Executive or Legislative branch.
If they are adequately doing their job, they should be a hindrance. It's what separates a functioning Republic from a Banana Republic with an Executive branch running wild and trampling citizens underfoot.
"The House had enough votes to pass the Senate bill and the Proleterate Hoyt and Pelosi would NOT ALLOW A VOTE!!!!"
Legislative procedures, same as the filibuster, which I don't recall anyone complaining about the Republicans using this in the Senate to scrap several amendments to their version of the Protect America Act which had majority support. |
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I know it!!!Brother!!!
I absolutely hate freedom....it is just better to stay here in my ducktaped protected house..oh except for flying acros several oceans, being on both coasts and visiting the continent BOOOsh likes except for that,I've been cloistered here in the house all year, scared, scared,scared and...reading..HAHAHAHA Still can't get ONE BOOK name out of BUGSY......ZIP,ZERO,NADA,ONE!!!
Remembered,I had read but have now forgotten the names of the two books, I read last year by Robert Baer,the CIA agent who chased Mugniyah all over M.E. through the 80-90's. Makes it even richer that we got him....to have read the BOOKS!!! |
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You are simply wrong. The Parlimentarian of the House checked and the handling of this vote HAS NEVER been done in our nation's history. That's why Repubs walked out. If you think the agencies can go ahead after the law expires or that the telecoms will let them have access after todnight....you live in fairyland.Or you just believe the Leftists, which you seem to fall in line with most.
The Judiciary has been ruling over us in un-representative ways, and it doesn't seem to bother you in the least. That is the main reason most Conservative ideas have not been enacted. Judicial fiat.
You are most certainly entitled to your beliefs brother,as wrong as they are, but as I said some time ago, who is attracted to your negativity?
How many do you influence for the positive?
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Please submit your current book list to the ignorant professor Neo and the foolish housewife (myself) Or join you fellow Comrades in the "Illiterate Hall of Shame!"
FREEDOM!!!!! |
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...your continued use of the word "should" is a serious flaw in your writing. During the Romney period, you kept trying to tell primary voters what they "should" think and do. It's grating. Here, telling the Sunday shows they "should" focus on this story has a similar pushy, presumptuous feeling about it.
Besides, a bunch of chit-chat on a Sunday show means nothing. Whatever happened to the discharge petition? If this majority exists, hopefully, they can exercise their power in that way. And, of course, anyone who doesn't agree to the discharge petition can be counted as a no, and that can be addressed in a campaign. So instead of one media person telling another media person what they "should" do, focus on the leaders of the GOP side of the House.
This is not a political issue yet. There'll be plenty of time for the yahoos to shout "traitors!" But frankly, I'd rather see the policy change -- and not have to wait til '09 for that to happen. |
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"If you think the agencies can go ahead after the law expires or that the telecoms will let them have access after todnight....you live in fairyland.Or you just believe the Leftists, which you seem to fall in line with most."
I've READ the relevant provisions of the law in question, I've seen numerous quotes from experts in various media reports that attest to the same, and, to allay your concern, telecoms are REQUIRED to cooperate with legal requests from the government.
So all this means, is that the G-men have to go and get a warrant from a court that approves 95-98% of the requests submitted to it. Oh no! They have to fill out an extra piece of paper! The Terrorists have won!
All this immunity debate is about is whether or not you think telecoms should be encouraged or discouraged to cooperate with illegal government demands in the future.
And yes, yes, I know. My concern for checks and balances on government power and a desire to make sure that private industry doesn't cooperate with illegal orders from government agencies, obviously makes me a dangerous librul fascist. |
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11 billion phone calls/day
Good luck with those warrants,you're a dreamer.
And the answer to my question.....nobody. |
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I was to be accruate, Ryan01 is highly appreciative of your views. Of course he spat on my testimony some months back.
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I'd suggest you try reading the Constitution and the Federalist papers for starters.
Ironic to see you use the word "freedom" at the end of your post, considering you haven't a clue of the documents I reference. |
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OH,yes, Brother Reyes, did he ever figure out that AQ was Sunni or Shia? Do you think he ever read a book yet about Jihadism? |
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"From time to time, the tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots."
--Thomas Jefferson-- |
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Read it, taught to my homeschooled son, who is a currently 4.0.
Go change you pants, Jr.
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Really?
So the government has absolutely no idea or suspicion regarding who might be involved and they need to cover 11 billion calls?
If that were the case, even without a warrant provision, we'd be in a heap of trouble.
Frankly, that's nonsense and unworthy of you. They have ideas about who is dangerous, and who they think needs to be monitored. When they get new names, they can get the FISA court to approve surveillance.
I can't imagine you would approve the blanket surveillance approach in other areas of law enforcement. Say putting up cameras and microphones in every house to watch for child or spousal abuse.
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This will be my last post to you:
The only real freedom in this life is through faith in Jesus Christ who died for your freedom from your sins and your seperation from God for eternity.
You can choose to repent (turn from your sins) and accept His free gift or choose not to.
Today is the day of salvation to every who chooses life and liberty in Christ.Simply pray,ask forgiveness, and accept His gift.
The founders of this nation studied, read, and believed their Bibles. 96% of all they wrote and said was Biblically based. I live, believe and strive to give everyone I meet that freedom. How about you, Ryan01? |
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That part about "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed," what does that mean exactly?
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Maybe you did, but you certainly didn't understand it as shown here and elsewhere.
If you really are a home schooler (something I support) I feel for your children. People like you give home schoolers a bad name by promoting ignorance.
Yes, Reyes is like the simian in the White House. When someone was talking to him about Iraq and the Sunnis and Shias Bush responded with "I thought they were all Muslims." But that's okay, he's a "conservative, a Republican" and that makes it alright with you people whether that person knows anything or not.
What's a matter? You can't refute what dread and I wrote? Of course not, for neocon talk radio doesn't address these finer points leaving you helpless with informed people.
My suggestion to you is to turn off the radio and do some reading. |
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It's the time it takes to get the warrants for each call which slows and takes away needed manpower, who could be listening and follwing the bad guys....I'm not going to argue this with you anymore. You don't have the wisdom to be concerned about the rise of the spirit of anti-Christ in this world.......
You are are the Leftists side in this...so just enjoy the company you keep. |
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Exactly what it says. I, as a citizen, have the right to own firearms as a God given right, not one from the govt. |
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Ironic, is it not, that if you failed to mention you were quoting Jefferson, you'd be accused of saying something quite revolutionary..... |
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And I feel for your mother........Proverbs 10:10
Goodbye. |
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There is hope for you yet.....although the thought of you having one scares me some.. :-) |
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"Read it, taught to my homeschooled son, who is a currently 4.0"
Homeschooled - 4.0, so you give hime the grades right?
"96% of all they wrote and said was Biblically based"
Where do you get the number 96%? Could you please send me a reference to where I can validate that fact, or do you just make stuff up and pass it off as fact? (if so, I'm very leery of your child's education).
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"I'm not going to argue this with you anymore."
As we are not going to change one another's minds, and the facts are available for folks to read, I concur that further discussion is unnecessary.
"You don't have the wisdom to be concerned about the rise of the spirit of anti-Christ in this world......."
The church, moving in the power and Spirit of God, is the organization appointed to go forth and transform the world, not the United States government. |
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You want to know about reproduction Bugsy, it is NEVER ever FREE!!!!!
What book are you reading????? |
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Now he is is in public HighS
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The University of Houston study....don't know the year. |
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I give and I go all over the world, in the name of the Lord....
If your a believer, you are not very nice. |
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Neo, Seehawk;
Our friend Ryan01 is one of Ron Paul's most ardent supporters.
He doesn't believe that the Jihadists have an objective of establishing a caliphate, and he doesn't believe that the Jihadists are an evil threat to us and our allies.
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LOL. Okay, I'll accept that in good grace. I do own weapons.
On a more serious note (and your question allows me to go into more detail here) the problem I have with some "Liberals" and "Conservatives" is the view that the Constitution and the BORs are to be treated as cafeteria food. That is to say you get to pick and choose what you like. I don't believe that for a minute. These documents are for me an all or nothing matter. People that say, have a problem with the Second amendment but not with the Fourth amendment, for example, I tell them "I like the Fourth amendment too, but you don't like the Second amendment? Use Article Five and try to amend it, but I will oppose you all the way."
Bottom line is this. I don't want anyone messing with the Constitution and the BORs and I don't care who they are. |
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I've tried to be respectful to you even when we disagree vehemently on issues, and if I failed in that, I apologize. |
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Home schoolers are taught from books and lesson plans, just like you public school misanthropes (sorry if you need your dictionary).
They are given tests based on the text, and the answers are available to the teacher/parent for the grading process. It is not subjective, unlike the "facts" a lot of people are trying to pass off around here..... |
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"If your a believer, you are not very nice."
That's the pot calling the kettle black!
Quotes from your previous posts:
"Go change you pants, Jr."
"Stinker"
"Or join you fellow Comrades in the "Illiterate Hall of Shame!"
Is hypocrisy encouraged in the Bible?
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It is amazing the acromony the Leftists and Anarchists see when they observe God and His people!
"We must do whatever is necessary to end gun violence..."Obama said that this a.m.
Unfortunately the farthest of the Right and their deep professing love of the Constitution, will not in any way help us stop the unhappy future if Obama gets in.
The friends of our enemies....don't vote.
I am very depressed |
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No, I am the realistic one. You may call me misanthropic, but are you telling me that there has never been an instance where a home schooled child did not receive favorable grading from a parent. |
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Unfortunately,you wouldn't know would you?(about what the Bible does say)Imagine the Creator of the whole world, distilled His thoughts and put them in a book and gave it to ALL mankind and you don't bother to read it! 2 Peter 3:9-10 is my favorite verse for you.
My conscience is clear and the humor I use is well founded in previous posts with the people I use it with.
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As usual you are being dishonest and you damn well know that, as I have explained this to you before. I know that OBL and his 5000 rag tag bunch would like a caliphate, but I don't believe he can pull it off against intelligent strategy. Likewise, I have told you on numerous occasions that I thought the US lost strategic focus with the idiotic Iraq invasion. That took away forces that should have been used against al-Qaida in Afghanistan. Now, we have one hell of a mess over there.
I see a much bigger threat right here in the US and that is demogogues attempting to subvert those documents I referred to above and replace what is left of the old republic with something repulsive with the help of ill-informed people, such as some of the people here.
The only thing you got right in your post was my support for Cong. Paul. He is the only person running who understands and respects the Constitution, unlike Bush who called it a "g.d. piece of paper." |
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Check out this really scary stuff over at http://powerline.blog
Look under the headline: "Not Serious About Foreign Policy Either." Combine this with Obama's total opposition to FISA and Hillary's opposition unless the trial lawyers get a shot at the telcos for cooperating with the government, and you get a taste of the national security stakes this November.
Remarkably, Obama has sent a delegation, including former Jimmie Carter foreign policy aide Zbignew Brzezinski, to Damascus, Syria, to discuss future foreign policy. (No doubt this is part of Obama's theory that all difficult issues can be solved with friendly discussion and cordial negotiations --- he wants to sit down with Ahmadinejad in Iran as well. I'm sure Hugo Chavez is on the dance card as well.) The Damascus meeting concluded with a Brzezinski declaration that "both Syria and the United States have a common desire to achieve stability in the region." (!!!!)
Yes, friends, this is the same Syria that got stopped last year by the Israeli Air Force while building a nuke. The same Syria that is operations HQ for the terror group Hezbollah. The same Syria that has invaded Israel several times. The same Syria that sends weapons and jihadists into Iraq to help kill our troops. The same Syria that's assassinating Lebanese leaders and trying to destabilize that country. The same Syria where one of the world's biggest terrorists (Mugniyeh) was finally eliminated on the streets of Damascus just two days ago, likely by Israeli intelligence, even as this bunch of American "useful idiots" were meeting with Assad the terror master.
This is a foretaste of what we get with Obama - hard to believe but he is probably even more naive than Jimmie Carter. But this stuff --- ignoring the terrorist threat ---- or pretending it isn't real --- or that there aren't bad people who want to hurt us --- will get thousands of our people killed. |
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Again, pretty subjective with your "facts."
You are attributing to me words which I never uttered. You care about winning an argument more than you care about truth. |
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How do you know I have not read the Bible? I may not believe it as wholeheartedly as you, but as probably the most influential written work, I have read it!
"humor I use is well founded in previous posts with the people I use it with"...and where was that previous post to me before you called me Stinker? |
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I would put my homeschooled grandchildren up against any gov't schooled child, and I work in a jr high school. They are more aware of and know more about the gov't and the constitution than anyone their age. They also don't use foul language, are polite to adults and can carry on a conversation with anyone of any age. Their musical ability is phenominal. Every morning they read from scriptures before they start their day. Please don't tell me that these children are in any way not getting everything that the students in school are plus much, much more. They love this country know about our history and the history of our presidents.
Thank heavens we have parents who are willing and able to put their children above everything else, because I know it takes dedication and committment and lots and lots of love and time. Glad to hear you do it Seehawk and know about it paddy.
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Unfortunately for Ryan, he is a useful idiot of the people most likely to destroy the Republic he claims to love so much. The two quotes of President Bush's he used this a.m. are Leftist's myths and he might want to invest some time in snoopes.com or stay off the far Left sights. |
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Don't waste your time with her. She is using religiosity as a shield in which to cover an ugly personality. |
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Now that's not fair, I know you've seen my poor typing and spelling abilities(from not wearing my glasses) Of course I coould have typed it by mistake with Freuidan tendencies........but having never been near you???How would I know about odorous maladies????
So glad you DO read the Bible, keep it up....who knows you might get RIGHT, here after all !!!! |
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Thank you as I'm sure your grandchildren are delightful. Too bad,(in more ways than I like to think about) for those who are against God and His people. |
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Agreed. My three nieces in two families are all home schooled, and I would stack them against anybody in their respective age groups. They are far ahead of where I was at their age.
Even more important, though, is what they are NOT learning. There is no "indoctrination" at a home school. The homosexual agenda, and liberal revisionist history are not present....thank God. |
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Wonder if we had a personality contest here how many votes Ryan01 would get??????
Do you think his mother would cast a ballot for him? Proverbs 10:10 |
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Great post. Thanks for the information. It's about time we got some useful information on this blog. Instead of petty personality conflicts.
Wake up people the democrats do not believe the terrorist are a threat. That includes Obama. |
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We are definately awake and have been fighting the Kosroid attacks for months......
No lack of understanding among regulars here, I assure you. |
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...the American people in order to feed the world's poor....currently held up in committee by a courageous Republican. Joe Biden attemplted to sneak it through, but was foiled.
Do not trust this man.... |
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The ox who loves his yoke.
The old serpent who cannot shed his skin and calls others naked and shameless. |
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Ryan01 wrote;
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"...I know that OBL and his 5000 rag tag bunch would like a caliphate, but I don't believe he can pull it off against intelligent strategy..."
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The extent of those in the Muslim world who have an objective of establishing a caliphate is not merely limited to Osama Bin Laden and 'his 5000 rag tag bunch.'
That almost sounds like the way John F. Kerry characterized the Jihadist movement as just a "nuisance" and a "law enforcement problem."
Truth is, you don't believe that the Jihadists are much of a threat to us or our allies.
And you don't believe the Jihadists are evil.
You believe the larger threat is...Americans who want to fight against Jihad !
You admit so when you write;
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"I see a much bigger threat right here in the US and that is demogogues attempting to subvert those documents I referred to above..."
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As far as your call for "intelligent strategy," one would think that using FISA to intercept foreign terrorists B-E-F-O-R-E they strike would qualify as an intelligent strategy, but obviously you side with the Democrats on that one. |
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sound;
like the ox who loves his yoke and consider the deer in the forest, stray and vagrant
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the old serpent who cannot shed his skin, and calls all others naked and shameless.
As if it is a care you would cast off, that care has been chosen by, rather than imposed upon you.
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Is there no substance to your arguments Hugh? Must you always resort to lies in order to demonize the Democrats and fear your readers/listeners into a frenzy. Here is the truth which, as usual, you fail to mention:
ichard Clarke, the former Chief National Security Council Counter-Terrorism Advisor to Presidents Clinton and George W. Bush, has stated: ‘Our ability to track and monitor terrorists overseas would not cease should the Protect America Act expire. If this were true, the president would not threaten to terminate any temporary extension with his veto pen. All surveillance currently occurring would continue even after legislative provisions lapsed because authorizations issued under the act are in effect up to a full year.’
“And, Kenneth Wainstein, the Assistant Attorney General for National Security recently said in an interview – according to the New York Times – that if the PAA expires, intelligence officials would still be able to continue eavesdropping on already approved targets for another year under the law.
“We must not fall prey to fear-mongers who claim that our intelligence community could ‘go dark.’ That is simply not true."
That is the truth. Moreover, Bush could simply choose to extend the current FISA law, but isn't. Those are the facts. |
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With this law expiring, the intelligence in this country has to fall back on the 1978 FISA law...which requires a warrent, but given only under "probable cause."
Sometimes it takes 24-48 hours to obtain a warrant. Thats too long for anyone to act on intelligence that is happening in real-time.
Since this law will expire tonight, the feds can no longer listen to FORIGN to FORIGN calls being made, as the the fiber-optic lines run in the US.
These calls arent even being made by US Citizens..so how does that exactly infringe on our civil liberties?
I'm confued.
I really hate it when politics playes with national security. I hate to think of all the intelligence we will miss because this law expired.
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They have blinded us. Now we have to go get warrants to spy on people. Boo Hoo.
Better to depend on the Bush Administration to decide who to spy on. The decider and his ilk have made such stellar decisions in the past.
Why don't you guys just push for Bush to be our dictator and cut to the chase. |
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Feds: Youh honor, we need a warrant to tap the phones of some Saudis we suspect of plotting terrorism.
Clinton appointed judge: Now what have you boys got against these law-abiding immigrants?
Feds: Nothing, Your Honor, but we spotted them crossing the border with surveillance equipment, bomb making material and maps of New York with circles on various high population targets.
Clinton appointed judge: Targets?! Boys, don't you know a tourist when you see one. Get outta my court before I tan your hide.....!
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"Sometimes it takes 24-48 hours to obtain a warrant. Thats too long for anyone to act on intelligence that is happening in real-time."
Then it's great that the law allows agents to start surveillance on a target immediately and provides a 72 hour window for them to file after they start.
If you're so worried about it, why not push it up the post-facto filing deadline up to a week and make everyone reasonably happy? |
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Except the FISA court has a 95-99% approval rating for warrants last time I looked.
If you get turned down for a FISA warrant, you've really got nothing. |
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"First, NSA can use its authority under Executive Order 12333 to conduct surveillance abroad of any known or suspected terrorist. There is no requirement for a warrant. There is no requirement for probable cause. Most of NSA's collection occurs under this authority."
"Second, NSA can use its authority under the Protect America Act, enacted last August, to conduct surveillance here in the U.S of any foreign target. This authority does not "expire" on Saturday, as you have stated. Under the PAA, orders authorizing surveillance may last for one year – until at least August 2008. These orders may cover every terrorist group without limitation. If a new member of the group is identified, or if a new phone number or email address is identified, the NSA may add it to the existing orders, and surveillance can begin immediately. We will not "go dark.""
"Third, in the remote possibility that a new terrorist organization emerges that we have never previously identified, the NSA could use existing authority under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) to monitor those communications. Since its establishment nearly 30 years ago, the FISA Court has approved nearly every application for a warrant from the Department of Justice. In an emergency, NSA or the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) may begin surveillance immediately, and a FISA Court order does not have to be obtained for three days. The former head of FISA operations for the Department of Justice has testified publicly that emergency authorization may be granted in a matter of minutes."
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Right-wing conservatives are now reaaaal tiresome. Cynical, filled with hate, boring. Surveillance, torture, fences, etc. No wonder the "movement" has collapsed. Young people are embarrassed to tears by it. Rightwingers should be required to go to Texas and construct the border wall, brick by brick. |
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parked up Ryan's Tail Section since the day he landed at HH. He and his fellow Paulbot, Peaky, just weren't a swell chemical mix for the T-Rex, Neo. So, I can't blame him for being such a nasty little squid. Once in a while somebody crosses one's path that you just dislike right outta the shute. Most of what I "know" about Ron Paul, I've judged through their utterances. Oh, and watching him act clinically insane in one of the debates. And, every time he(or the Peakster)appears, he goes right on proving me right.(*I actually had a slip a couple of weeks ago and answered a challenge on the "Podhoretz on Iran" thread in a reasoned civil fashion, but I think he'd moved outta the area by then.
Yeah, 'Hawk, Peakums never-ever-ever responded to my queries as to his last 5-10 books read. Might have taken him back to Gov't School. I think the ever pesky Briggs nailed me on a legal terminology detail here about Reproductive somethingorother...But, so far, no evidence that he reads anything but the internet either. Despite their goofy politics, I rather like Briggs & LL.
"Simian" Boosh, eh, 01? Gadzooks, where do these little 7th Grade Hall Monitor types come from? Just bound to find the granual of flys**t in the bottom of that sugar bowl! Not that this poor little Doofus of a Paulbot would have a clue who the Great Dr.Bernard Lewis is...But, he is a frequent--and quiet--visitor to the White House. Yep, that durned idiot in the Oval Office just a sittin' thar talkin' and discussin' and questionin' Dr.Lewis, the preiminent scholar of the Middle East/Arabs on the planet. Imagine that. |
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Townhall, and Hugh's blog if you read carefully, by now should have noticed is not Daily Kos site, if you find it boring filled with hate, you are in the wrong place mate.
About the Wall
Ivy and wall, both stand together, and together they fall. Next election, we will all come down together (Democrats will win in the next election - no matter who wins - yes Dems. win).
Then, all you libs. start popping the champagne.
I am a rightwinger, but I will have the illegals build the wall, brick by brick, and send them to your place to feed them! Good news, Dudley, I will not vote next election, so you will be paying for all my expenses, your candidates are promising and I am rejoicing. (my taste, MOET & CHANDON) Brut Imperial. |
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Can't you bring a bill for vote if you file a discharge motion with 218 signees? I wish Bush would have postponed his trip to Africa until Sunday and kept congress in session. Besides the P.R bonus, I believe the Senate bill would have ultimately been passed by the House.
What a sad state of affairs we live in with dems running congress. Attacking the Bus administration through partisan contempt citations is more important than the protection of our country. I hope those 21 blue-dog dems and other dems elected in 2006 in Republican districts understand the attack they will be under this fall for letting the FISA bill expire.
Botox shot in S.F. to get to Nancy?
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That was beautiful poetry and not from the Bible,so was it Persian! You are such a gem!
Neo, all these know it all's missed the C-span segment on how difficult and time consuming the warrant process is for FISA,by the spokesman from Justice. These guys really hate Booosh more than they love their own children. Yeah we can trust that Richard Clark, boy what a job reference, he was the one in charge of getting Bin Laden in the 90's,(?)NYT and Clark,ummhuh,what was it Bojinko? Oh that was what Dick Morris said was on the brief that Sandy Burglar stole, or was it the Kobar Towers, Cole or the 1st Trade Center Bombing....oh my. those 90's were special, huh??? |
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As usual you admire the left-wing propagandist.
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"Neo, all these know it all's missed the C-span segment on how difficult and time consuming the warrant process is for FISA,by the spokesman from Justice."
Ignoring the fact that they can hire more people, ignoring the fact that President Bush seemed to really like this FISA law back when it modified in response to Sept. 11th, ignoring the fact that the DHS can start spying on a target and apply for one retroactively, why stop there?
I mean, if warrants are pretty time consuming and probably cause can take time to prove, how's about we just ditch all that across the board and let the police everywhere do whatever the blazes they want to do to people?
I mean, their time is even more valuable since crime claims more lives per year than terrorism in the US. Every moment spent trying to establish probable cause or get a warrant is time a criminal could be killing you and your family.
The cops should really just be able to listen in and walk into any room of your house 24-7. Heck, if a cop has a gut feeling about you, he should be able to arrest you without reason, because I'm sure some plucky DA could probably peruse the law books to find something you're in violation of, given how many laws there are on the books. |
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...as always, cloud the real issue. We have ample evidence that there are people who want to kill Americans....ALL Americans. The peace sign and the houka will not save you...
We know that they have plotted against us on a massive scale, that there are cells in this country, some operative, some still sleepers.
We also know that the Democratic Congress continues to make it easier for them to pull off these dastardly deeds.
Well...as Sean Connery said in the Untouchables, "What are you prepared to do about it...?!"
That is why I am in favor of responsible citizens owning firearms and learning how to use them properly. It may be that one day you will be face to face with someone who is seeking your life. What are you prepared to do about it? Will you stand meekly and let him kill you? As for me, I intend to put him in the ground before he harms me or my loved ones. I'll get my "warrant" later... |
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"As for me, I intend to put him in the ground before he harms me or my loved ones. I'll get my "warrant" later..."
And you and I would still have our actions scrutinized by independent oversight (in this case, the police and the DA's office) to determine if we acted in accordance with the law, or if we committed a felony.
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today, heard it on the radio, can someone please tell me if she had a Brown Shirt on? This was right out of 1933, only difference, it was not in German. Liberal Fascism, on display, for all to see. Were right arms raised, too? Heil, O'Sama!!! |
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"Were right arms raised, too?"
Only during the pledge of allegiance to the State.
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You talking about Obama or John Kerry? I could swear I remember John Kerry talking about unidentified foriegn leaders secretly wishing he would beat the "shrub." Of course when pinned to the mat, he couldn't identify them.
If I was Obama, I sure wouldn't want a nod from a communist, but I'm not him. |
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allegiance "to the state", do you Dread, truly, your fascist roots are showing, spoken like a most sincere, fascist liberal. Jonah saw you coming well down the block and so do, I. |
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I thought Clarity had shamed Broberta enough to stay out of here....lands sake, quoting the Communists again....
Quote of the year (so far) "this rightwing brain washing has got to be reigned in for the good of the nation." Briggsy 02/14/08
You too can submit you looney Leftist quote anytime and maybe we can get Hugh to pick the winner (or won of his underlings!;-) |
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it's one not won,,;-)
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our dear Dread, along with Michelle O' pledge their allegiance "to the State", having heard her speech today, well, me thinks, that it won't be long until the "Brown Shirts" come out of their closets. To borrow a phrase "what say you"? |
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Oh, for Pete's sake. Wow. Do you spend more time reading or reading your own personal bias into posts?
For the record, sweetheart, I don't say the pledge, and I just thought some might appreciate learning the proto-fascist roots of something that many right-wingers venerate.
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How much you all love unlimited Executive power and all. |
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On a funny note. There was an episode of Seinfeld
where Krammer was trying to save the pigman. I always thought Henry Waxman played the part of pigman. Someone said the other day after watching Waxman on TV they were sorry they had HD. |
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here from Lefties and Paulbots. Tiring, Feely, Reactive, Silly, Shallow...
Cotton, I heard parts of Mrs.Bazama's speech--some college audience/UCLA(?)--and had a similar reaction, except uniform color and the Little Red Book! Pure silly New Left Twaddle circa 1968. With a new sheen to it, but same steaming fecal matter. A-Mazing. Had Hugh not played it, we undoubtedly would not have been informed of the contents by the the colluders of the MSM. As Hugh read my thoughts and broke in to ask: "What America is she talking about??" And..."WHO is she talking about? I KNOW my neighbors. Don't most of you? So, WHO is she talking about?" Keep the Girl out there Barack, spouting Weatherman Crap from the 60's! We warmongers will be happy to beat you senseless with wifey's pseudo-Red Guard blabber.
Ryan, Dread, Brob: Books read in the past..oh... say 6-months?? No, not websites. Not Blogs. Not text messages. BOOKS. Just the last 5 or 10 from each of you. Us drooling Conservatives("Cons" per Brobby, or "Reeps", per PatLib.)need to know. Most of us drooling knuckle draggers read history, fiction, biography, philosophy, politics, war, poetry, memoirs...Ya know, stuff like that. C'mon, share...C'mon, you can do it.
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This is Brob. I have a question....
Does the cover of a magazine at the liquor store count as a book...? |
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as they're large print editions of Maxim & Penthouse. People & Us get xtra credit scores. |
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...they are anti-American and anti-Western Civilization. Moreover, at the root, the deep down Liberal is anti-human.
Watch this video by Evan Sayet called "How Modern Liberals Think".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaE98w1KZ-c
It explains EVERYTHING about these people. I've watched parts of it many times. I can't recommend it enough. |
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was Clarity or Paddy who put me on to it a few months ago(and credited you...).
Wish the Lib-Left contingent here would pull the logs outta their eyes for 30 or 40 minutes to watch it.
PL+LP, Briggs, Brob, Dread, LL...View It. Pleassssse! |
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The poem, was Arabic!!!!
The reply to the low life Moghniyah, he was living for a long time in Iran, for some reason, he was shipped to Syria? then blasted to the netherworld, where he belongs. I think, the ugly face, Shiekh Nasrallah, wanted to rally the base, as the Sheite in Lebenan were not into serious anti-Israeli mood.
As far as we are concerned, why cares, let us celebrate, pass the sweets. this is their custom. |
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I can't wait to see the comments on this blog once there's a democrat in the white house. I'm sure we'll hear screams of "nanny state" and calls for protecting our civil liberties just as strongly as we have the passionate willingness to trample on our Constitution displayed here.
I don't know where so many of you lost your way, but I pray for you. |
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Well, we have learned that if you want to disperse the red menace....ask them what books they've read lately.
I guess it's easier to parrot a commie college professor than to think for yourself....
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Credit Evan Sayet with figuring these people out and finding a way to explain it.
From what I can see, almost every conservative thinker has been dancing around trying to figure out why Modern Liberals are like they are. Many people have identified the symptoms over the years, but Evan answers "why."
And Hugh, I think you need to suck some of Evan's ideas in yourself. Your idea to beat them with logic and evidence is probably inadequate: the deep down Modern Liberal doesn't care about logic and evidence. Maybe you can educate the the people who don't subscribe to the core beliefs of a Modern Liberal, but the people who really think the US is evil, that somehow Western Civilization is to blame for very ill, and that the people who aren't doing as well are really victims of Western ideas and the US, need a lot of rehab to bing them back to reality. Hugh, the deep down Modern Liberal is like a witness on the stand who doesn't subscribe to much of our moral foundations and thus has little trouble telling lies.
I'll put the link in again:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaE98w1KZ-c
As I said, find some quiet time and watch the Q&A at the end too.
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Tinkell I accept your prayers on all our behalf, as long as they are to the one true God through Jesus Christ who did for ou sins, and thank you very much!
Thanks, Al! I will make time in the mornin....I meant to watch it last time it came round and only had 10 minutes or so into when one of the kids called their cab driver.;-)
Mary, can't wait to meet you someday!Pass the tea, too!!!
I know now the root of Dread's problem....
Neo,Paddy,Cotton......
They will never give us a book list, you'd think they'd have a little shame to ignore the question day in and day out... |
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Has Fidel written any books lately? How about Comrad Chavez? Maybe not be translated yet; to see Rosa Run under the fence, mira Juanito build the wall!, and la vache jump over the moon.
In sweetness of friendship let there be laughter, and sharing of pleasures.
For in the dew of little things the heart finds its morning and is refreshed.
Dear NEO, CLARITY, PADDY, awesome Qweenmum7+1, all have a Blessed weekend. |
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Peakster, FOCUS like a Laser Beam: Last 5 to 10 books you've read, Lil'Squid? No,c'mon, no cheating...Maxim only counts for half a book. |
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SeeHawk wrote:
"You are simply wrong. The Parlimentarian of the house checked and the handling of the vote has never been done in our nation's history."
What is your source for this comment? Were any house rules violated? If not so what? This is how president is established. I didn't hear complaints while Republicans were using the rules of the House and Senate in ways they had never been used before. What is that old saying what goes around comes around.
SeeHawk also wrote: "The Judiciary has been ruling over us in un-representative way,"
Here it appears you have a lack of understanding of the Judiciary and it's function. The Judiciary was never designed to be representive. There decisions are suppose to be devoid of politics that is the reason for life time tenure. Legislation is passed by the representive bodies and signed by the President an elected official. The purpose of the Judiciary is to settle disputes and clearify the law.
"it' the time it takes to get the warrents for each call which slows and takes away needed manpower," A warrent is not and never has been required for each call place by a target. Read the law. |
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appellate prosecutor wrote:
"this is the same Syria that got stopped last year by the Israeli Air Fource while building a nuke." This is a misstatement of fact period. You are implying that they were building a bomb. The target that was hit was a suspected reactor. by what the heck. It is not very dramatic saying that the Isreali's engaged in an unprevoked attack on a soverien nation distroying what the suspected to believe was a reactor under construction. Only Isreal is allowed to have reactors. I don't know but if the situation was reversed we would be calling it an act of terrorism and war.
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Tina writes:
"with the law expiring,the intelligence in this country has to fall back on the 1978 FISA law...which requires a warrent,but given only under "probable cause." Dam that constitution. I really hate to inform you of this simple fact but a warrent is a constitional requirement and probable cause is the basic constitutional standard that must be met. Further no statute can eleminate a constitutional standard dipite what President Bush would have you believe.
Tina also writes:
"Sometimes it takes 24-48 hours to obtain a warrent. Thats to long for anyone to act on intelligence tht is happening in real-time." This statement ignores that fact that survaillance can start in an emergancy without the warrent. The paper work must be submitted within 72 hours after the survaillance has begun. Doesn't anyone read these laws before commenting on them. Or do you all just listen to talk radio with it's distortion of the facts. Perhaps you should turn on c-span. Not that there is not spin on the floor of the House and Senate because there is along with distortion of the facts on both sides but at least you get both sides.
Tina went on to say:"These calls aren't even being made by U.S. citizens" again a distortion of the facts. There has in fact been spying on U.S. citizens and the FISA act and other laws prior to FISA authorized such survaillance with a warrent. The problem is President Bush feels that the constition and laws do not apply to him. |
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Tina writes:
"with the law expiring,the intelligence in this country has to fall back on the 1978 FISA law...which requires a warrent,but given only under "probable cause." Dam that constitution. I really hate to inform you of this simple fact but a warrent is a constitional requirement and probable cause is the basic constitutional standard that must be met. Further no statute can eleminate a constitutional standard dipite what President Bush would have you believe.
Tina also writes:
"Sometimes it takes 24-48 hours to obtain a warrent. Thats to long for anyone to act on intelligence tht is happening in real-time." This statement ignores that fact that survaillance can start in an emergancy without the warrent. The paper work must be submitted within 72 hours after the survaillance has begun. Doesn't anyone read these laws before commenting on them. Or do you all just listen to talk radio with it's distortion of the facts. Perhaps you should turn on c-span. Not that there is not spin on the floor of the House and Senate because there is along with distortion of the facts on both sides but at least you get both sides.
Tina went on to say:"These calls aren't even being made by U.S. citizens" again a distortion of the facts. There has in fact been spying on U.S. citizens and the FISA act and other laws prior to FISA authorized such survaillance with a warrent. The problem is President Bush feels that the constition and laws do not apply to him. |
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Tina writes:
"with the law expiring,the intelligence in this country has to fall back on the 1978 FISA law...which requires a warrent,but given only under "probable cause." Dam that constitution. I really hate to inform you of this simple fact but a warrent is a constitional requirement and probable cause is the basic constitutional standard that must be met. Further no statute can eleminate a constitutional standard dipite what President Bush would have you believe.
Tina also writes:
"Sometimes it takes 24-48 hours to obtain a warrent. Thats to long for anyone to act on intelligence tht is happening in real-time." This statement ignores that fact that survaillance can start in an emergancy without the warrent. The paper work must be submitted within 72 hours after the survaillance has begun. Doesn't anyone read these laws before commenting on them. Or do you all just listen to talk radio with it's distortion of the facts. Perhaps you should turn on c-span. Not that there is not spin on the floor of the House and Senate because there is along with distortion of the facts on both sides but at least you get both sides.
Tina went on to say:"These calls aren't even being made by U.S. citizens" again a distortion of the facts. There has in fact been spying on U.S. citizens and the FISA act and other laws prior to FISA authorized such survaillance with a warrent. The problem is President Bush feels that the constition and laws do not apply to him. |
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cottoneyed wrote:
"Liberal Fascism on display."
Librialism cannot be Fascism by definition. Fascism is a right-wing phiosopy get a dictionary.
Cottoneyed also wrote:
"that it won't be long until the "Brown shirts" come out of their closets." I hate to tell you they are all ready out of their closets and their leader is setting in the Whitehouse. shall I name some of them for you? Lets start with Orrin Hatch, Roy Blunt, Mich McConnell,Arlin Spector, Charly Dent, shall I go on?
Realy people get your facts togeather. Try reading The law, the committy reports, the court cases. |
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the newest vapid trollie from kosland as I do? Jeepers, just like taking a civics course in Havana.
bmcandy: Focus all 73 of your IQ numbers for a sec...Gooood. Don't pollute in the amounts you're treating us to, lil'squid. By 2-thirds. Bloviating editorials on conservative posts here ain't gonna work, Bubba. The Endlessly Needy Appetites are a familiar phenoms from visiting pseudo-Leneinists here. Oh, and one mo'thing, Brutha bmcandy...Ask your Missus for a loan and go buy Jonah Goldberg's new bestseller: "Liberal Fascism". Ba-da-bing, like dat. Now, scat.
**'Hawk, Cotton, Lads: Isn't it morbidly fascinating how the Lefty Polluters seem to come in swarms?**
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Top of the day to you, sir.
I know, I know, you've no curtain-climbers to negotiate with at this stage. It's a 4-day weekend for all of these two-legged legacy leapsters.
I have not that luxury.
Been "skidding" (skiing with kids); powder's great. Weather incredible.
I have scrolled the threads. The assault from the toothless Libs is indeed endless, exhausting. But you and others trudge forward, devouring these Libs and Lefties as one would consume gastroliths.
A hearty hat tip to, Paddy, Dusty, Seehawk, OHM, Mary Stella, Hawkeye (welcome back), Col Bat Guano, and others.
I see "Al" stepped in to recommend that Evan Sayet video. Al, I watched the whole thing months ago on your first attempt to get others to watch. I did that "copy-paste" thingy and each time, gave you the nod of appreciation.
I think I'll watch it again (3rd time).
Neo---ignorance by the Left is worn like proudful plumage of NBC's peacock. There really is no hope for them. The only thing one can do is keep them at bay.
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Here you go. You and the some of these other commentators don't like the Constitution and the BORs. Article Five is your ticket. Amend it out of existance. If anyone is putting a yoke around their necks and forging their own chains it is people like you.
Lew Rockwell wrote a column awhile back that at the time I thought was over the top. His column was entitled "Red State Fascists". After reading some of this crap I hate to admit it, but he does have a point.
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Uh Oh, there you go, engaging one known as "bumcandy". A truly fitting name, AKA, "dingleberries" which are known to cause moderate form of irritation in certain cracks.
Neo---don't get too close. |
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First I would like to thank you for recognizing that I have at least 72 more IQ point than yourself. But then attempts at ridicule to inflate my ego are not necissary. Instead of reading self promoting dribble you should spend some time reading:
1.The constitution
2.Leguslation
3.Committee Reports
4.Legal Opinions
As to the number of posts that is due to the limitations of the system. But then I do not need to confine My reading to just those things that support and reenfource my beliefs.
Have a nice day.
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And you, sir, rely (R-el-yan) on judicail branch to do your bidding for you.
DUDE, read Amity Shlaes book of FDR and his most "creative" molding of the SCOTUS--frightening. His power through the Supreme Court exhibited clearly that circumventing the Constituton was child's play.
It is the lesson learned by Patrick Leahy (and his cadre) while heading up the Judiciary Committee for so long.
Yeah, I know, you care not to busy yourself with such historical detail. Because it is part of the Liberal practice, method (M.O.), it's not worthy of critical query.
One will never hear chameleon, PL+LP+LiP+iLP, postulate on "Boomer"-Judiciary excess. Nope, "Boomer", to this chameleon is only a conservative manifestation.
Nor will you ever hear such judiciary opinings from LaboriousLawyer---hers too are one-dimensional.
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are a Constitutional Scholar of Deeply Deep Depth and experience: BUT, Focus...Focus....All us Red State Fascists wanta know what you read in those out-of-fashion-with-Paulbots BOOKS. C'mon...C'mon.
CLARITY: Dammit, Lad, I thought we were clear that there will be no travel with the family unless FIRST approved by me, 'Hawk, OHM, Paddy, MaryS, Cotton...OH, and...Patriotic Liberal( :-))! |
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History, Biography, Memoirs, Fiction by Mark Helprin...Now, scat. |
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Is your spelling really that challenged, or, is it that you hail from foreign borders where different rules apply?
"Reenfource"?
I do not think that is even acceptable spelling in Canada or England.
Leguslation? if you are going to recommend to others the reading of same, one needs to properly identify it.
If anything is "necissary", it is some common form of understanding. Please, share with me your dictionary so that I may know of what you speak. |
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I don't participate in a thread, and ClaritySeeker still feels called upon to invoke me.
Judiciary excess? I am opposed to it, and I think Roe v. Wade is case in point. Democracy is impossible without judicial restraint. Period.
The liberal Warren court was way excessive in their intervention--to the point they were essentially crafting legislation and policy. Now, we see the same from the right-wing, who spent decades arguing for "restraint," but cannot resist the power, now that is is close.
So, if I'm not mistaken, CS is wrong yet again about my POV. He calls it "chameleon," but that's only because my thinking is so comprehensive and far-reaching, it seems "slippery" to narrow and provincial souls. That makes him, and not me, the "pathetic" one.
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Patriotic Liberal wrote;
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"I don't participate in a thread, and ClaritySeeker still feels called upon to invoke me."
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Patriotic Liberal,
Clarityseeker invoking "PL" despite your absence from the thread is similar to invoking Elvis, Oprah, Madonna, Hillary, or Shaq; the name and the 'product' are so ubiquitous, that everyone automatically knows who/what it is.
In your case, your reputation at the Townhall boards for spurious assertions, Orwellian logic, dishonesty, name-calling, and self-aggrandizing declarations precedes you.
"PL," just think of it this way, pal.
We're like "Cheers" where everyone knows YOUR name !
Ha, ha, ha.
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You give me for too much credit----AND, even more hillary-ous, is PL+LP+iLP+PiL's ego, arrogance, ignorance in thinking that he has a "legacy of legitimacy" which precludes the necessity of his "presence" to be "invoked", referenced, quoted.
Okay, here it is, PL+LP+iLP+PiL-Bozo-brain:
Simply,
1.) You are chameleon 'cuz you change your name, and,
2.) It suits your style of arguing, which is one of "convenient truths" (very elastic in nature), and-----here's the real laugher,
are you ready?,
here comes the incredibly entertaining part----the part which so often keeps me coming back here----okay----STAND BACK---For the revelation of:
3.) The Law of "Unintended Consequences". The PL-meister can drag that "law" out any time it fits his chameleon-catterwaul.
***Entitlement programs brought about by LBJ (welfare, food stamps, etc), and other pathetic liberalistas?Yeah, the crutch created by them, the incredible narrative they have brought to our, "Boomer" corrupted society?
Unintended circumstances----yep, it's as easy as that.
Examples abound on the huge failures from the Left--but it's all "washed away", "forgiven" by-----"UNINTENDED CIRCUMSTANCES".
Jimmy Carter's economic travesties/tragedies?
"UNINTENDED CIRCUMSTANCES"
Jimme Cawtah sole responsibility for bringing down the Shah of Iran---and all which has followed----"UNINTENDED CIRCUMSTANCES".
UNINTENDED CIRCUMSTANCES
I cannot stop laughing now.............my "Booooooooomer-infested", conspiratorial, conflated, confused, corrupted, constipated conservatism is ALL discombubulated as a result.
OH......wait a minute....it's a simple case of me being impacted by unintended circumstance.
Wipe clean the slate.
Tip the Etch-a-Sketch upside down, shake it up---and, voila, new screen, wiped clean----ready for the next WACKO Lefty idea. |
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Remember the Liberal mantra:
"Tip the Etch-a-Sketch upside down, shake it up---and, voila, new screen, wiped clean----ready for the next WACKO Lefty idea."
How can this be? Where is rational reconciliation?
No need, 'cuz you got:
The law of unintended consequences.
(this has been a paid advertisement by liberal operatives and other Lefty operatives who visit this site with their Lefty clap-trap)
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....uses phrases like "distortion of the facts."
Translated, this means that yes, these are the facts but they don't mean what they mean, they mean what I SAY they mean....
Those are the ones you need to watch out for. This is Hillary, Barack, Biden, Kennedy, Boxer, Feinstein, etc.
New bumper sticker: Up Barack |
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Kind of like amnesty/banana?
It's not amnesty because angry John says so. ;) |
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I've read something even better. The autobiogarphy of Burton K. Wheeler, (D, MT) He was the one who led the fight against FDR's (a "conservative" hero today) court packing plan. That's right he was a "Librul" and he had more apprecation of the Constitution than most of you do. Instead for you it is something akin to toilet paper as long as a Republican is in office. It will be fun next year to see you hollering about the Constitution when you have done so much to undermind it.
I love you people who call yourselves "conservative" What exactly are you "conserving"? It sure as hell isn't the old republic and its Constitution and BORs.
I won't call you fascists, as you are not intelligent enough to be one. "Useful idiots" will serve.
If there wasn't so much at stake it would be funny. |
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scathing term for the Western Left. But, the ever intellectually sophisticated/clueless, Ryan, has decided to pin us Fascists with it. Sooooooooooo, tiresome, isn't he?
RYAN: Focus...Focus...Gooood. Are you working on that vast list of B O O K S that us warmongering cabal members have requested repeatedly? C'mon, Ry. 'Member, Maxim, People, US & Penthouse all count as half-a-Paulbot book. How cool is that! |
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embodiment of Fascism, for too long you lefties have got away with saying Fascism is a "right wing" thing, no more dmcanady, the gigs up, your exposed for what ya' are, a liberal Fascist. Your wet dream is a Totalitarian utopia, where all, walk, and talk the lefty mantra, and those that don't, well, the Scorn Police descend on them, and call them racist, homophobic, intolerant, and stupid for not having your world view. Gee, come to think of it, thats darn near what we got now, with that liberal invention, "political correctness". You lefties own Fascism, get use to the description, cause' it fits.
My new bumper sticker "Jonah was right".
Stings, don't it "dm". |
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worse speller than the "candyman"? Also, Candy, who's Charly Dent? Also, question: Is your ignorance, purposeful, or can you not help it? |
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Hey-----it's your buddy 'ol pal, Mr. Chameleon that I was hoping to hear from you about. You're choosing to comment on some Cryin'01 dude.
Your pal, pathetic liberal is a hoot---a holler.
Seriously.
As he opines to McTex (really, a present favorite of mine), there is no apropos "label" to identify his belief system---paleoliberalism simply does not cut it---perhaps because it's not a word-----but moreso, 'cuz it allows him to "change-up" his pitches at the drop of a hat:
1.) "I don't agree with what the Warren Court was about".
2.) "I don't subscribe to, 'Fairness Docrine' dogma".
3.) "Don't pigeon-hole me, I'm no mere Liberal, I'm Super-Liberal, of the paleo-tribe."
4.) LBJ's entitlement programs?---"I would not have done it the way he did." That was a simplistic-Liberalized program. I would have fashioned it in such a way that it would have worked correctly---Remember, we Super-Liberals reserve the right to invoke the, 'Law of unintended consequences'".
5.) Jimme Cawtah's economic debacle? "Nope, I neither lay claim to that----'member, SUPER-LIBERAL!"
6.) "All of you----you are all, every last one of you, you're, "Boomer-Cons".
7.) "I know, I know, my 'flavor-of-the-month' teachings of 2007 was to enlighten the world on, "Post-Modernism" and how conservatives have behaved, screwed-up, deviated, in the post-modernistic era". But this is, 2008. I am now all about castigating, "Boomer-Cons".
Neo, you got nuthin for your pal?
Not even a appreciative nod for the entertainment value he provides with regard to, "paleo-liberalism" and his reserved uncertainty as to whether even this attempts to address/identify the pathos he suffers from?
Dude, it's you who has to "lunch" with a paleo, not us. |
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beautiful family for a few days of skiing in that magical Colorado Rockies country(WITHOUT first clearing it with The Cabal)and now you're back here banging away at the always innocent and brief, PL+LP. Have you no shame? Have you--after all, Sir--no shame. ;-)
You know the drill: Put the pistol down...Goooood.
Now, step away from that piece...There. Goooood. |
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Sheesh, you're lame. I don't know why I waste time with you. I have dealt with each of those objections (in the 6:42 post) a hundred times, but what do you care about reality if it interferes with the stupid storyline cascading through your brain. Enough of this. Lord knows, I've tried.
Neo, when you get around to paying off the bet, I don't want this nut tagging along. |
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..for everyone who has not included "clarity" in their moniker:
I just came up with paleo-liberal as a sort of derivation from paleo-conservatives. "Paleo" is a way to distinguish from the "business oriented" neoliberals, on the one side, and multi-cultural contemporary liberalism, on the other. It has its roots in the success story that was America in the mid 20th century.
The "liberal" element comes from its dependence of rationality and our humanity.
Again, Clarityseeker is a foamer who is culpably self-deceptive. The rest of you, I trust, will see how there might be a liberalism that is, in a sense, conservative, and in any case, has roots in this country, going back to the Whigs and beyond. |
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PELOSI SHOULD BE IN JAIL
REP. NANCY PELOSI, (D) SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES: "The president and the House Republicans refuse to support the extension, and therefore I think should bear the responsibility of any adverse national security consequences."
Her admission that the law is important enough that, if not in effect, will cause "adverse national security consequences" means that she is intentionally allowing her perverse partisan attitudes to put this Nation at risk in direct violation of her oath of office. She is intentionally allowing this country to be exposed to terrorist threat when, with the death of a prominent Hezbollah leader, an imminent attack has been threatened. She placed her party above the United States, so she is unfit for office. Every democrat, including Obama & Clinton, should be questioned as to where they stand, so we all know where the democrats true allegiance lies. Is their quest and retention of power more important than the safety and security of this country?
As far as I am concerned, she should be found wherever she is vacationing, and then put in jail for treason.
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"Clarity..."Useful Idiots" Was Lenin's
scathing term for the Western Left. But, the ever intellectually sophisticated/clueless, Ryan, has decided to pin us Fascists with it. Sooooooooooo, tiresome, isn't he?
RYAN: Focus...Focus...Gooood. Are you working on that vast list of B O O K S that us warmongering cabal members have requested repeatedly? C'mon, Ry. 'Member, Maxim, People, US & Penthouse all count as half-a-Paulbot book. How cool is that!"
Been drinking again, I see. This post shows it.
Lenin had a worst term fot "useful idiot" that the software won't allow me to post. It applies to you.
By the way, has the lunatic Norman Podhoretz signed up for the Straight Jacket Express as an advisor?
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Boys...Boys...Boys...Boys...Calm yourselves.
PL+LP..The response to your 9:40pm 'announcement' has been thunderous, as expected. Well done. No, really. Very well done.
Clarity: The very minute that a Sleazy Hollywood Studio summons(PLEASE, God!!)me to save their undeserving project, I shall send you the air-ticket/round trip/Denver-Burbank-Denver so that, per PL+LP's request, you can attend the bet loss lunch. Paddy will be there to work out anger management Ish-Shoes 'twixt you boys. As a counterweight to the peaceable Paddy, I, Humble Neo, shall bring a can of gas to throw on the fires. We'll put your sinjed self back on a plane at Bob Hope Int'l Airport that afternoon. PL+LP's remains will be retrieved by Mrs.PL+LP..She and I have corressponded and, as expected, she's fully aboard. She assured me that the Large Life Insurance Policy has been signed by Mr.Unexpected Demise. As agreed, she'll send us a handsome fee as soon as the $3Mil is released. I think that's about it. Cool.
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1.)Not since 7-29-1987...But, still CRAZZZZZY after all these years.
2.)Clarity...Finally Ryan listed his "Book" reading for us at 10:45am. No surprises. Maxim, Us, People, Penthouse...Then he ran out of titles.
3.)Yes, Ry, as you suspected Pappy Podhoretz, Irving Kristol and Nefarious Neo added the pepper to Johnny Little's stew last weekend. He's on board with the Cabal. Olmert was tied in by phone from Tel Aviv.
4.)Be assured that this old Soviet History nut forgot more in his sleep last night about Ilyich than you have ever learned.
This is well known. |
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Can't figure out who would be against FISA??????
Do I hear Code Pink, the Move Along Bunch, alot of our elected; Oh, what are they?,and Lib's. You know them, ther're the "We're for the troops BUT against the war (mission, or what-ever) guys.
Ya, you know them by the beat of their drums.
All they play is RETREAT.
Signing Off
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Neo,
I like Clarity---he makes me laugh.
He works hard, both in his work and here at the Townhall boards, and is thus very deserving of a family ski trip to Colorado before it is invaded by statists, appeasers, tax & spenders, and various 'patriotic' liberals this forthcoming summer when Denver plays host to the Dhimmicrat Convention.
Besides, if we should lose and President Obama gets his way with our income taxes, it may be 2013 before any of us can afford to take another vacation.
However, allowing Clarity to take off for a few days without first clearing it with the Townhall Cabal does set a precedent which could be taken advantage of in the future by other Cabal members.
Besides, I was under the impression that a few of us even wield 'veto' power in such a situation.
At the very least, shouldn't we ask him to contribute a couple of postings each day from the toasty Aspen ski lodge ?
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Now about Daniel Ortega and all that business. Wasn't Congress on the WRONG SIDE of that one too!
Wasn't that realy about the Dim's (oop's, I mean Dem's,) bashing our President, and didn't Ollie ride to the rescue.
Well the Dem's are still at it: still wrong, still hateful, still attacking America, still bashing Republican Presidents'.
And Olli's still rubbing their noses in it.
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about Clarity's act of defiance, as well. But, let's give him a 'pass' this time. I have, after all, sent a very stern-disapproving cyber scowl.
In the future this rebellious action must not be repeated unless prior Group Approval is acquired. It is ALL about The Cabal, never about the individual...Ooops, sorry, OHM, I was having a Lefty Flashback moment! |
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OHM, Neo:
You two are way too good to me. Bending the rules in overlooking the need for me to properly submit requisitions (in triplicate form), get my passport checked out and stamped, and, awaiting your approval.
I am glad to hear that SanFranNan did the proper thing on that FISA ruling. It provides me a window-of-comfort "feeling" in calling all of my family members to tell them how much I "feel" about them; love 'em, without the government gettin' their "jollies" in surveilling my "heartfelt" blather. I love that I don't "feel" compelled to hold back now. What a great "feeling" this is---to really communicate my unbridled "feelings" without government interference.
Man, our government is like a big 'ol, nasty, Peeping Tom. Gotta go, now.
I'm skiing with all of my best friends from "Code-Pink". Our descent-call of today is, "Don't eat any yellow snow.......unless its pink."
I love these guys--they are so, so, very smart.
PowderHound
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Clarity. We less sensitive little fuzzballs in The Cabal appreciate your leadership at the campfires and group hugs. Just clear the trips with us ahead of time or we'll have you killed.
This is well known. |
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This probably shouldn't apply to Seehawk either...
I'm in enough trouble...I don't want to get kicked out of the Cabal.... |
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