Tuesday, August 07, 2007
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When Does Movement 2.0 Get Started?
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Posted by:
Patrick Ruffini at
4:03 PM
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Coming on the heels of the YouTube debate fight, YearlyKos has sparked a lively conversation on the right about what needs to be done to reinvigorate our movement online. The leading lights on this are Mark Tapscott, Soren Dayton, Amanda Carpenter, and Robert Bluey.
A common thread is that the other shoe won’t likely drop until we have Hillary to unite against. I’d like to pick apart that assumption.
The basic assumption is sound. The online right was ascendant in the Clinton years, just as the online left was in the Bush years. Opposition galvanizes political movements, and not just online.
My question is when does this kick in? When Hillary becomes the nominee? Or if she becomes President? A lot of people are hoping many of these issues will work themselves out on February 6th when the Hillary menace will start to stare conservatives in the face. I’ve expressed that hope too.
But a lot of folks also hoped that we’d be at least partly there by now. With Hillary looking good on the Democratic side, and Republicans in the opposition (and on offense) in Congress, have things gotten any better? Is there any evidence that the Stop Her Now stuff that was so effective in 2000 is working this time around? I haven’t gotten as many direct mail letters or fundraising e-mails with Hillary front and center as I would have expected by now.
A lot of people are also arguing that we are weighed down by President Bush and Iraq. But why should that be? Rudy, Fred, and Mitt aren’t President Bush, and are strong in many areas where the President is weak. The nominee will likely have something different to say about Iraq. You would think that Republicans would view this field as a vehicle for moving beyond the current poisoned political environment, and feel some measure of optimism and relief. After all, Mitt Romney reinvigorated Massachusetts Republicans after taking over from a weak caretaker, Jane Swift. In France, Sarko wrote the playbook on pivoting against an unpopular leader of your own party and winning. It can be done. So why aren’t they doing it? What do they need to do to do it? Or is it just too soon?
Or is the truth that we need Hillary to take office before we reap the benefits of a fired-up base? That may be. Remember, that in the campaign, Hillary will present herself in only the most favorable light. She won’t be accountable for what happens in Congress, or deep in the bowels of HHS when someone starts funding condoms and needle exchange, or for the fact that she’ll be forced by the exigencies of being Commander-in-Chief into a more Bush-like position on Iraq. Campaigns are a clean business next to governing. Not many people hated George W. Bush during the 2000 campaign, or for the first two years he was President, and the left was slack enough to allow for a fatal third party schism in the form of Ralph Nader.
So when does it start to happen for us? 2008? 2009? 2010? 2012?
I think it ideally should have started in January 2007, with campaigns starting anew, George Bush starting to fade into the background, passions on immigration running high, and the Democrat majority in Congress. It’s still early yet, but does anyone see any signs of a new conservative coalition starting to take shape, or anyone trying to engage it?
Even if Movement 2.0 is two or more years away, there are things we should be doing now to prepare. At this point in the Clinton years, MoveOn had already started. Perhaps the analog to that is the immigration issue, where the right kicked ass. But, again, what did we create with the immigration issue? Where is the million person email list of people who got involved because of immigration, and can now be activated on other issues? It sounds like people were thinking of the right techniques for radio, but not for online.
I think it will also require a shift in thinking of how the movement relates to the Republican Party. We are very much in the position the Democrats were in at the end of the 20th century where “the groups” did not think of themselves as part of the party. The netroots revitalized liberal interest in the Democratic Party not by selling out, by positioning themselves as the authentic Democrats, where the Joe Liebermans and pro-Iraq War Dems were outside the party. What that the phrase, again? Oh, yes… The Democratic wing of the Democratic Party.
Do conservatives today really think of themselves as the “Republican wing of the Republican Party” or removed from the Republican Party entirely? That’s a key difference, and one that will have to be reconciled if we are going to finally quit being pundits and start being activists.
And, finally, is there any way this gets started without Hillary Clinton? I’ve read the same history books, and I don’t think the New Right was built on personal animus towards JFK and LBJ — and it thrived in power in the ’80s.
Ideally, we would figure out a formula for this stuff that wouldn’t require us to lose in 2008.
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14,000 words and really not one logical rufute of any of my claims. I think you summed it up best when you said "Peace to you all, my naive and foolish right-wing friends ;-)"
That basically sums up your position -everyone on the right is a fool and naive, and everyone on the left is wise and correct. That's the difference between the real political thinkers (me) and the left-wing nutters (you, Yankee).
Until you realize that there is right and wrong on both sides, you'll never get it. The funny thing is that both sides of the aisle have the good political thinkers, and the nutters. We have Buchannan and Paul. You have Moore, Sheehan, and the Kos people like yourself. Every one of your arguments above just reinforces what everyone can clearly see - you are a far, far left-wing Kos nutter . And when you've reached that status, well...every one of your arguments becomes marginalized and weak, at best. |
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I am a conservative, but must vote Republican because Conservatives do not put forth candidates in the presidential election. I think we are not yet motivated because:
Conservatives are thinking people, not reactionaries (see liberals). We want to know everything we can about all candidates. We want to see "meaningful" debates, not "duffus conferences" put on by the Democrat lefties. We want to choose carefully, not believing what the MSM tells us. We have time and we will take it. This is serious, not frivilous like the liberals think (question in debate: "will you invite Barry Bonds to the White House if you are president?) HUH? We have a great slate of candidates and I would vote for almost any one of them. Democrats have a bunch of unexperienced and silly people who promise everything and libs get all excited - out of Iraq, Osama caught, health care of all, end of racism, New Orleans cleaned up - the world will be wonderful, yes, elect Hillary!! In contrast conservatives will treat this election quietly, thoughtfully, studiously, listening, weighing options.
That's why we are not excited "yet". |
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... Patrick asked "So when does it start to happen for us?"
I say we move now. That is why I invite everyone to come to Right-toberfest at the Conservative Leadership Conference in Reno, Nev. on October 12,13,14, 2007.
Check us out. A lot of conservatives will be there. It is a place where we can organize, get to know each other, and stop just sitting around and waiting for some enemy to attack.
This is why the Libs win so easily. They don't just sit and wait... they ACT!
Go and register now!
http://www.clc07.com/index.html
We have invited Hugh, it is co-sponsored by the Heritage Foundation and Townhall.com. |
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Step One: GW needs to hold a retirement party for Senator Stevens.
Step Two: Democrats handed our clueless Republican congresscritters a golden opportunity when they passed the sham ethics reform that Senator Feinstein called "the most sweeping reform bill since Watergate."
It is a truly sad piece of legislation compared to the ethics reform package that left conference. Veto the legislation and Republicans have a great compare and contrast moment to show voters both the sizzle of the proposed legislation and the sad, end product that was served up as "sweeping reform" by Dirty Diana herself.
Perini anyone?
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"It’s still early yet, but does anyone see any signs of a new conservative coalition starting to take shape, or anyone trying to engage it?"
It would help if Republicans would stop calling us conservatives hot-heads, bigots, extremists, knuckle-draggers, absolutists and so on. We have been consistent on issues and support those who are with us on the issues. There will not be a cohesive conservative "coalition" until the GOP leadership stops pushing a liberal agenda with liberal candidates. This isn't complicated. We already have a Democratic party and don't need another one. The GOP used to win elections when it stuck to conservative principles. It looks like 2008 will be campaigning again on the slogan "If you think we're bad, look at the other guy!"
You are right Patrick but no one is listening. The GOP doesn't stand for anything anymoe. |
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good stuff, right on the money my friend. - Young GOP, seems you just don't get it. Still. And that's the problem with conservatives these days. Full of hate and anger and foaming at the mouth over this and that and the other, instead of putting forth ideas that appeal to all Americans, not just to those 18%ers (wingnutters) who make up the active GOP constituency. Foaming at the mouth, drool flying in the air as you screech in anger and throw hissy fit after hissy fit, whining and moaning about everything under the sun...yeah, that's really an attractive political party... - Your party is history for a good long while in American politics. And until you learn to put the country ahead of your own extremophile views, you'll remain on the outside of governance in America. - Peace to you all, my naive and foolish right-wing friends ;-) |
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Funny stuff. I'm not sure if you are being serious though. My favorite of all of your inane comments being "Hatred of a person is a pretty weak reed on which to build a lasting poliotical movement" That is absolutely ALL the Democrat candidates have had to offer, be it in '06 or even looking ahead to '08 -hatred for one man, George Bush. Look at the Democrat debates, they are a joke, basically just a CNN-fed anti-Bush seminar. We have workable ideas --immigration reform, SS reform, FISA reform (nice vote Hillary), tax cuts which work-- etc, etc etc. You and your buddies have "I hate Bush".
The next one I love is how the US loved your buddy Bill so much as to result in an "Electoral College Landslide". What a joke - we knew what Dole was, no one expected him to win. How did your buddy Bill do in helping Congress D's win in '94? Or for that matter, how did America feel about basically continuing on with one of the most popular administrations in history (see Gore v Bush).??
Ruffini is right, the R's need to get together, sooner rather than later. And it really comes down to issues, we are far closer to the average hard working American than Brob would like to think. And this next election will probably shape our SCOTUS for the next 30 years. Elect Clinton and be prepared for more absolutely pathetic justices like Ginsburg. I don't care if it means electing McCain, just get off your a**es and don't let HER get elected. |
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I agree. Conservatives are disaffected because of a failure of the republican brand in immigration and clean government. We won't be re-attached to the party until senate and congressional leadership becomes staunchly anti-earmark, tosses Stevens from the party, and/or until a presidential candidate starts running aggressively against congressional pork and naming names. And not someone as compromised as McCain on that issue.
Leadership of the movement is waiting, Rudy, Mitt or Fred. |
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Here in the Democratic Peoples Republic of Maryland, the Firsts Congressional District is rising up against the RINO Wayne Gilchrest. We intend to replace him with a true Conservative, Andy Harris. Gilchrest's anti-Iraq votes among others are too much for us Republicans. |
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We could be experiencing the total animas that starts to manifest itself when a group of people have felt totally betrayed by their "leaders", as were the Republicans during the immigration battle recently in congress. It becomes difficult for many to sort out who they have faith in and who they would like to see depart the party leadership and levers of power. Being betrayed is something that does take some getting over; however, the party will coalesce around the few trusted individuals at the top, as they are identified.
Another problem is the lack of a totally take charge type of candidate for POTUS. Many still yearn for a Reagan type candidate with a strong will and personality, which is something sorely lacking in the current batch of candidates with a R behind their name.
The damage done to the Republican Party by the spendthrift bunch in the last congress coupled with the "compassionate conservatism" of our President is now becoming visible for the masses who had poor eyesight in the past.
The inability of our President and RNC leaders to unmask the cold, hard, irrefutable facts of the liberal left, which they have been "selling" for these many years is another reason we find ourselves in the untenable situation we are experiencing, including our current collection of freaks in congressional leadership.
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