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Two surges are taking place....Thompson is the newest and creating just as much excitement. 4 plus rallies a day does not compute to laziness. To all of the Fred believers....Go Fred!!! D. |
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Yes, you have made good points about Ron Paul. His tenacity about following the Constitution and ensuring America's sovereignty is admirable. I agree with him about many things, especially preserving American sovereignty in the face of globalism, abolishing the IRS, eliminating the Department of Education, etc. I also agree that we should never go to war without a declaration of war, which has not happened since WW II, despite the wars in Korea, Vietnam Iraq and Afghanistan.
However, unlike Paul, I think that after thoughtful debate, Congress should have declared war on Afghanistan and Iraq for fostering terrorism against us over the last two decades. Of course, I hope the people of those two dysfunctional nations will soon take responsibility for their own security so we can get most of our troops out of there.
In addition, like many other conservatives, I disagree with Ron Paul about marriage. He believes that DOMA will prevent same-sex marriage from having federal recognition. I think he is naive not to see the threat of the LGBT agenda as it is gradually overtaking the courts. I believe that a Federal Marriage Amendment is urgently needed because of the unchecked power of liberal judges legislating marriage law from the bench.
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I'm sad to see your post here giving up on Duncan Hunter before he has given up himself. As I have told you before, your posts early on got me to look into the Hunter campaign. I have been supporting his campaign and continue to do so financially as much as I can. I guess I'll be the only one on Townhall posting for Hunter anymore.
If the primary were held today in my state, I'd vote for Hunter. If he's no longer in the race by the time Marylanders have our say, I will vote for either Thompson or Romney. |
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Just a short while ago, Redstates.com endorsed Fred. Who needs Tancredo's endorsement!
Before anyone get's mad at my Tancredo remark let me say this. I like Tancredo alot, always have always will. He has been the one that has never strayed from the illegals issue and for that I am forever grateful.
The only reason for any sour grapes is, when he told Cavuto on todays program, that the final reason for backing Romney was because Romney had a chance of winning. That is how people become shaky in what they hold to be true. If Tancredo really wanted to back a man who has the right plan, and the spine to fix the illegals problem, he should have backed FRED.
Keep in mind........Roy Beck at Numbers USA said that Fred Thompson's Illegal Immigration plan "blew him away". He said it will work. But that message is being ignored. |
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He's a little bit older than the others, but he possesses what one used to recognize as "common sense," something that is no longer common. How refreshing would that be? Fred/Hunter, Fred/Romney, Fred/M. Steele(sp)? All are starting to sound pretty good. |
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I believe Fred has Huckananny pegged, he is a pro-life liberal.
You want some education on Huckleberry? Go visit this site.
http://www.pinnaclecascade.com/huckabee.html
plenty of good reading material on why the Shuckster is dead last in people I would vote for! (and that includes the democrats)
- unethical and corrupt
- zero foreign policy
- big government, tax & spender
- open borders amnesty guy
- his Bush bashing and terrorist appeasement talk are right out of the democrats talking points.
- close Guantanomo to appease the terrorists?
I will vote for a democrat if Huckananny wins the nomination. At least the dem's know they are liberal and don't pretend to be something they are not.
Fred is the right man for the job. The lazy propaganda stuff is B/S brought about by the liberal MSM. Fred's life resume is one of the most impressive of any candidate and doesn't support this mischaracterization the main stream media is trying to perpetuate. This isn't a beauty contest and substance matters! Fred has more of that than the rest of the field combined. Romney would be my second choice. |
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Agreed. But there is one small detail you overlooked. The part of the bill that Fred hates was slipped into the bill after he had read it and signed off on it. That can be directly blamed on McCain. |
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As an Obama supporter, I would be much happier with a Thompson win in IA than a Romney win. Seems to me a Romney/Obama battle would be much tougher. Thompson would be SPANKED by any of the Dem Big 3. Obviously. |
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I'm also in Tennessee, and if I do see a sticker our this early in the game, it's for Fred. I haven't seen any support for the others. You really do need to get out more.
"Grumpy Old Sleepy is not liked by a lot of people because of ... And there are many many other things that people don't like about him."
If you are going to listen to other people, you may as well vote for Hillary or Obama, because that's who we're told is going to win the race. I'm going to vote for who I want to win, who I think is the best candidate, who I believe is the most conservative.
That choice is clear. Go Fred!
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Honest is a good thing.
It is also a good thing to read a bill before you go off supporting it when most conservatives are against it. |
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Well, you almost got it right. Thompson actually had his name on that bill at one time. Unfortunately, he found that there were loopholes in the bill after it passed. He was more than disappointed. He was mad. The first thing he did was to get his name off the bill, and the very next thing he did was to oppoligize to everyone for helping with this bad bill. He knows it sucks and will admit it openly.
When was the last time you heard a politician be that honest? |
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Next thing you know. You'll be saying that Thompson was never one of the few conservatives to support McCain-Feingold.
Which as you know could have restricted pro-life groups from broadcasting ads to educate the people on a certain cannidate's position. |
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I've been scammed.
Sorry my friend you have been scammed. You are not willing to face this.
You even have Fred in your screen name. You don't care what the facts are about Fred, your going to support him regardless.
BTW, Fred is the one that would lose to the democrats. Bad. I don't know who told you he would do good, but you probably don't care because your for Fred no matter what. |
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You have been scammed.
FACT: Fred never worked for abortion group/s.
FACT: Fred believes in States rights (which is a Conservative ideal). And he is very opposed to gay marriage.
If you vote for Huck, you will gaurantee that a Godless Democrat will win. It's really that simple. |
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That is ok, liberals have been calling us fascists for years. Now to see it coming from you is no suprise.
Most everything you listed are things that Huckabee fights for stronger than Fred does.
Fred was a lobbyest for abortion groups. You also mentioned one man and one woman marriage, which Fred has not supported.
I don't want a big headed hollywood actor, who is gonna do what hes gonna do, and he's not gonna dance to the tune of anybody.
I would have to consider voting for Plastic Man before I would vote for Grumpy Old Sleepy. Atleast then I might have someone who would atleast listen to someone else's concerns.
Thankful I'm going to be voting for Huckabee. |
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Huckabee is NOT a Conservative!!! |
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As a Conservative I try to stay away from credit.
I'm not interested in a peeing match with you, I'm just suggesting that you study what Conservative means. For starters, Conservatives want smaller government. We are for protecting the unborn. We are for protecting our country. We are for lower taxes. We are for law and order. We are for God and country. We are for one man, one woman equals marriage. I could go on and on, but hopefully you get the idea.
This is gonna get ugly, but here goes anyway. The philosophy you are espousing is closer to fascism than Conservatism.
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You've lost all credit as a conservative.
Very few Americans want to be part of your self-centered, and self-serving philosophy. Few conservatives want to be part of that.
These are the things that we true conservatives have been stero-typed as. We have no interest in forsaking true values for this. None.
If you want Fred, then fine. But don't try to say that the most pro-life, pro-family and pro-faith cannidate is not a conservative. When you do, you have lost all credit as a conservative. |
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With all the due respect I can muster up, did you ever graduate from middle school? |
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I hope one day you can find peace and happiness in your life.
As far as I go, I have told you what I think of conservative and you have said that is exactly the wrong. Sorry but that is what is important to me and a very large group of voters.
Personally I don't agree with Ron Paul people, because they are mostly anarchists and people who want to live in complete lawlessness where they are the king of their own isolated world and have to answer to no one. Their rebellion goes beyond the passions of most Americans.
To me it is part of the self-interests and self-serving philosophy that conservatives are stero-typed as. That is not what I am interested in. |
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Angrywhtman is correct, you have no understanding of what Conservatism is. Study up next time before you open your trap. |
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Even Plastic Man is doing better than Grumpy Old Sleepy in South Carolina.
People don't want this big headed hollywood actor. Iowa is his main chance. If he loses it then for sure his current position of losing in South Carolina will come to be. And that is where he hoped to do good.
I don't want to be given the supposed conservative that the MSM set up to allow for me. I'm voting for a real people's conservative, Mike Huckabee. |
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You couldn't have stated more clearly what so-called "evangelicals" believe make one conservative, and you couldn't be more backwards in your thinking.
I'd encourage you to pick up a book by Bill Buckley, Patrick J Buchanan, or maybe take a look at the Constitution rather than defining conservatism by one's desire to legislate your way of life, not just upon the American People, but the entire world. You're so far from conservatism that your kicking yourself in the #%s.
This primary will define the Republican party. We're going to find out if there are enough evangelical leftists out there to nominate a fraud like Huck, and if there are, it's not a party for me anymore, and I know there are millions like me. |
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The artificial labels are cute but meaningless.
'Government is a necessary evil' and not the solution to our problems. Fred is the best representative of that philosophy. I don't need governement to solve my problems. I need it to get out of my way and provide only those constitutionally mandated obligations (common defense, promote general welfare and ensure the blessings of liberty bestowed upon me by my creator). Federalism works and it should be the pillar of the Republican Party that it once was. Fred is the staunch supporter of Federalism and believes in the notion that the American people can better solve their problems that the federal government.
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Agree with you 100% on Fred Thompson. I plan to vote for him in the primary.
As for Ron Paul, I agree with libertarians on many issues, and it is great that Ron Paul is pro-life considering most libertarians are pro-abortion. However, foreign policy is where I disagree. I support the war in Iraq and believe the Bush Doctrine of attacking radical Islam before they attack us.
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That's why I will be voting for Fred.
We have 4 RINO's running for POTUS.
We have 2 Conservatives that have no money and no organization.
We have 1 kook.
We have 1 true Conservative that has money, organization, momentum, and it just so happens to be Fred Thompson. |
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I can definitely see Fred Thompson gaining traction. For those who cannot buy into Ron Paul's foreign policy, Fred is showing up as the only real option for true conservatives.
Huckabee is a known liberal (big government), and Romney is a liberal that has had a recent conversion that is still untested (will it stick, or is it just politically convenient). Giuliani has way too much baggage and is already falling off, and McCain has tried and failed many times. Now, he just looks old and tired, and he too has too much political baggage to overcome. Hunter and Tancredo never really gained traction, unfortunately. They both had a lot of interesting ideas to offer.
Really, for true conservative Republicans, it comes down to Fred Thompson and Ron Paul. Ron Paul has a lot of momentum right now, and his domestic policies are second to none. It is just a question of either agreeing with or coming to terms with his foreign policy. |
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Looks like Huck peaked a little too early. Look for Fred to come on strong in Iowa towards the caucus date. |
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To Hunter and get him as named VP pick. That would have an impact.
Give me substance over style anyday. |
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TNboy writes: "Don't ever say the most pro-life, pro-family values, and pro-faith cannidate is not conservative. Those are the issues that decide rather or not someone is conservative."
Really? Then by your definition, Ronald Reagan was not a conservative, because he did NOT run on those issues in 1980. He ran on an economic program of free market supply-side economics and free trade with other nations.
Here is a transcript of an actual campaign brochure from the Reagan campaign of 1980. Read it and see how much Huck's rhetoric has diverged from Reagan's policies:
http://tinyurl.com/3xy5em
You will notice that he didn't mention family values and faith even ONCE.
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"Don't ever say the most pro-life, pro-family values, and pro-faith candidate is not conservative.
Those are the issues that decide rather or not someone is conservative."
Says who? I always that that conservatism meant you believed in limited government (think conservative government spending).
You are correct. No one can say that Ron Paul, the most pro-life, pro-family values and pro-faith candidate is not conservative. What? Oh, you meant Huckabee? Consider this:
* Ron Paul introduced legislation that would have overturned Roe v. Wade and allowed states around the country to immediately ban abortions. No other presidential candidate has been their money where their mouth is on this issue like Ron Paul.
* Ron Paul wants to get rid of the department of Education so that parents will have more control over what their children are taught.
* Ron Paul believes strongly is the right of people to practice their religion without the interference of government laws or policies. He is also a strong Christian with a solid testimony and lifestyle (married 50+ years, characterized by honesty).
* His economic policies are very conservative: limited government, the goal of an eventual end of the income tax, and adherence to Constitutional law. |
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The latest IA poll has Romney 28, Huck 25, Fred 11, Rudy 5, McCain 7 and Paul 6.
If Fred can take points away from Huck I am all for it. |
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what "movement"??? I hope he doesnt lose too much wt with that "movement". :)
Serioulsy I may be wrong, but i really dont think endorsements mean jack doodly squat in Iowa. So I wouldnt call that a "movement" on Fred's part or McCain's part.
I like Fred Thompson but I think he entered too late, and did too little.
I am voting Huckabee,because of his pro family agenda, his pro lofe postion, his stance against gay marriage, his pro second ammendment stance, and also his strong Christian values, and candor to speak out even if it offends a sitting president.
I actually also liked his previous moderation on the current immigration hysteria. Its just too bad he flipped into the immigration extremist camp with the other nativists seeking to demagogue the issue for cheap votes-I guess it's contagious. Something in the drinking water...Oh well, other than that, he's pretty good-imo
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Don't ever say the most pro-life, pro-family values, and pro-faith cannidate is not conservative.
Those are the issues that decide rather or not someone is conservative.
BTW-Fred is pretty grumpy. Just watch what he does when someone trys to say he might be wrong about something. Fred has an old stubborn, I'm gonna do what I'm gonna do, I'm not going to dance to anyone's tune, type attitude. Someone with that type of attitude that is running for president loses interest with me. |
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Yeah, let's go with a real conservative like Huck! Oh, wait a minute, he's a liberal- I forgot.
BTW - Fred is not grumpy. |
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Grumpy Old Sleepy is not liked by a lot of people because of his lobbying. The anti-globalist people really hate him too. Some people don't want a hollywood actor with a wife half his age. Some people don't like that he refused to support a marriage amendment, just like McCain and Giuliani. Some people don't like his stubborn grumpy ways. Some people feel let down after he stubbornly came into the race late. And there are many many other things that people don't like about him.
With all of this considered, is Grumpy Old Sleepy going to have the motivation and the strenght to overcome all this? No. The answer is no. And you know it.
Grumpy Old Sleepy's running for president is best forgotten about.
Just think of how poor Grumpy Old Sleepy would do in the general election if by some means he did win the primary.
Pretty scarey. Lets go with a real conservative insted of a big headed hollywood actor. |
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I'll grant you that Grumpy Old Sleepy is a bit conservative but as I said in my critque of him, he just is not the conservative superman that the Thompson supporters try to make him out to be.
Nor is Grumpy Old Sleepy consistant all the time on his conservative issues. For example it seems that he can't decide if he is for a marriage amendment or not. Sometimes he says he is against it, but on atleast one time, he has said he is for it. And as far as him getting the endorsement from the National Right to Life, many pro-lifers were very disappointed by this and felt that a stronger pro-life cannidate should have received it. Also some people think that being married to a women half his age is less than conservative.
After all this is the fact that the main idea behind the promotion of Grumpy Old Sleepy was that he was a conservative who was well known and wealthy because he is a hollywood actor. Well, I just don't think someone has to be a hollywood actor to win. I think that sounds like a less than conservative idea. Oh yea, and the anti-globalist people don't like him, neither do many people because of his lobbying. On top of all of this, a lot of people feel he let them down by coming in late, but when told about that or any of these other things he just gets grumpy.
Besides all of that, he just isn't getting a lot of support, and people just aren't as excited about him. I live in TN, and plan to vote for Huckabee. You see a few people every once and a while with Grumpy Old Sleepy bumper stickers or signs, but still it is very rare. People are not looking to him as a cannidate.
Well, if your not going to vote for Huckabee in the primary and your not going to vote for Tancredo or Hunter then I will atleast say you probably got yourself a distant fourth in Grumpy Old Sleepy. The two I would suggest against voting for the most is Giuliani first, then Romney. |
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Con4Fred, it's great you think that about Fred but it's not going to inspire to want to vote for him if he's not inspiring himself. And he's not, and it must disappoint many of you. I think he's a good guy, he does have good policy ideas, but how would he perform as President if he can't even get the energy to campaign for half a year? How would he fight for those policies? Would he even want to fly to meet with different countries and leaders?
Almost any of these men could go back to their lives and live fine. Romney could be one of the richest men in the world (ok he really is rich...) but he gave up that world to serve like his dad before him. He didn't accept a salary as a Governor. When they called him in to rescue the Olympics from a $400 million dollar debt he did it for free and worked his tail off. He will not accept a salary or will donate it to charity if elected president and that's honorable as well. But with Mitt, I know he's going to go and work his tail off to get results and action. With Fred...I get good ideas with evidence of action. |
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As Fred wins back evangelicals from Huck, it just throws the win to Romney.
Thanks Fred! |
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Unfortunately, his poll numbers there just keep going down.
You know, I am getting really sick of hearing how "McCain is coming on strong in NH!" when his poll numbers are going nowhere.
Now I hear about Thompson blowin the doors off in Iowa, and yet, the latest polling shows him 17 down to Romney when he was just 11 down a few days ago.
Fred has one major stumbling block and its the same one Obama has...NO EXPERIENCE.
Neither of them has ever managed anything and now they want to mange the world. |
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I'm a Romney guy, but Fred has earned my respect. He is my second choice. He has shown alot of class, he is right on the issues and he is not a Hater! |
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It looks like all the momentum is swinging toward Huck and Fred. |
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Fred Thompson is the best conservatives can hope for at this juncture. I have been supporting Duncan Hunter since he announced. If conservatives splinter their votes among Tancredo, Thompson, Hunter, Paul and Romney, we will likely end up with Mikey Huckster or Regularization Rudy. It's time for conservatives to consolidate behind Fred Thompson if we want to have any chance to secure our country. He has the best plan to deal with the illegal aliens. Fred Thompson is the best of the top tier, I hope he chooses Hunter for VP, it would be a dynamite ticket. |
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I don't know about that. I think Fred thought it would be an easy ride on his personality. He knew going in that he had a reputation of laziness to overcome, but did nothing to dispel it - practically every thing he did just confirmed it.
I think Fred wants to be pres for the same reasons as anyone else - he just doesn't want to work as hard for it.
Even so, Fred is still an acceptable choice for me. |
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I am just a Fred supporter, not a campaign official. I have helped by contributing to Mr. Thompson's campaign, if you believe in him, he could use your support no matter how small.
Fred Thompson in '08 |
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This sort of reminds me of the old guys at the Country Club giving each other high fives in the bathroom because the Viagra helped make things work for the first time in twenty years the night before... you sort of want to be excited for them, but pause and start to laugh out loud because just the thought of it is ridiculous. We love you Grandpa Fred, but time to move along... |
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With all this talk of Fred not campaigning the way most do it, I thought I would shead some light on the subject.
Fred does not want the POTUS position because it's something he has desired or coveted in the past. All other candidates want to be POTUS because THEY want to be POTUS, and it has nothing to do with serving the people. Fred on the other hand has said repeatedly, "if the people want me, I'll accept the position". That's such a huge break from why the others are in it. If we choose him he will do his best for us. If he loses, he goes back to his normal life and be quite happy and content to watch his kids grow. Anotherwords.... he's not running out of vanity! |
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I think he said to himself, "well, if Huck can rise to the top in only 2 weeks and he stinks, maybe I can do the same."
All I can say is, it's about time and where have you been? Maybe too little, too late, but you never know.
The only thing I DO KNOW is that he's a far cry better than the old Huckster!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWpU8sX10_4 |
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in the 2006 elections and trying to get republicans to keep their majority in the house....aaaaahhhhh. Maybe he did prefer to work with democrats once he got elected (in his imagination). |
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Hugh is not behind Fred. How dare Fred go against Hugh's decree. If Fred wants to be successful, he needs the blessed hand of Hugh. Ask Romney the wonders of that blessing... |
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You also have some 60% of voters in Iowa as un-decided.
Mike... phoooey!
Mitt... phoooey!
Rudy... phoooey!
John... phoooey!
Fred... heck yeah! Cause he ain't no RINO!
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Actually, she worked as a strategist for Reagan and Bush 41. She also worked for Dole. Not sure if she was part of the GW campaign the first time around. She wasn't the second as she was working for Fox News. |
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I see that alot of other camps (that wanted King's endorsement and didn't get it) are now poo-pooing his endorsement of Thompson. The one thing that you must remember that >20% of the caucus voters come from his district where he is very popular. Fred with 20%+ could easily win Iowa |
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Fred had a much-hyped campaign stop in Dubuque yesterday and only 80 people turned out, which is a fraction of the crowd the other republican candidates have been getting. |
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How about just some movement period?
"Alright America...I'm really, no...really gonna start campaigning hard now....so ya'll just pay attention to me."
I really can't believe Steve King endorsed this guy...I like his policy...but he has no punch with it. In other words...I like what he has to say...but don't believe he'd actually do anything he says. With Romney...who works tirelessly and actually has a history of action...I believe him. That's a big difference. |
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I will be in IA 27-30 and I will be campaigning against Romney so here we go! |
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Fred is about to surprise a lot of people in Iowa.
Vote for Fred cause he ain't no RINO! |
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And people wonder why his campaign is a flop. Has that woman been successful ANYWHERE... I mean, successful for a REPUBLICAN candidate? |
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