Saturday, June 09, 2007
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When Teddy Takes the Wheel
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Posted by:
Dean Barnett at
11:02 AM
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This morning’s New York Times publishes a moving tribute to Ted Kennedy’s efforts to save his sinking Oldsmobile of an immigration bill as it plunged to the ocean floor. If only liberalism’s last lion had shown such determination and interest in saving Mary Jo Kopechne.
The Grey Lady refers to Kennedy as “an immigration advocate since his first days in the Senate nearly 45 years ago.” Since this bill and the accompanying debate were about illegal immigration, I’m not sure what this non sequitur has to do with anything. I guess as far as the Grey Lady is concerned, there is never a bad time to remind its readership what a fine and noble public servant Ted Kennedy is.
The Times’ coverage of the immigration story is either amazingly dishonest or amazingly out of touch. Frankly, when it comes to the New York Times, I can’t tell the difference. To illuminate the unfairness of the ill-fate that befell the bill, the Times unearthed some academic egghead to make it plain:
“People on opposite sides of the political spectrum, in effect, banded together to defeat the middle,” said James G. Gimpel, a professor at the University of Maryland who has written a book on the politics of immigration. “Restrictionists on the right were always against the bill because they opposed any legalization for illegal immigrants.
“Business groups and their allies, including advocates for immigrant rights, lost much of their ardor for the bill because of changes made in the legislative process.”
With all due respect to Professor Gimpel (who knows so much about the politics of immigration he has written a book on the subject!), he doesn’t know what he’s talking about. As Rasmussen Reports reports:
The immigration bill failed because a broad cross-section of the American people are opposed to it. Republicans, Democrats, and unaffiliated voters are opposed. Men are opposed. So are women. The young don’t like it; neither do the no-longer-young. White Americans are opposed. Americans of color are opposed.
The last Rasmussen Reports national telephone poll found that just 23% of Americans supported the legislation. When a bill has less popular support than the War in Iraq, it deserves to be defeated.
There is no vast middle of the American body politic that liked this bill. This bill died because it stunk, and its stinkiness became a matter of public knowledge. It died because Senators Clinton and Obama didn’t want to defend it during the campaign. By the way, do you think John Edwards would have belatedly discovered the bill’s flaws after the two frontrunners helped it become law? Always a chance, I guess.
It died because when Republican congressmen went home over Memorial Day to meet their constituents, they got a solid message. For goodness sakes, angry “supporters” nearly ripped the plaid shirt from poor Lamar Alexander’s body. According to my sources on Capitol Hill, members of Congress never received so much constituency input on a particular matter. Letters and calls ran roughly 350-1 against the bill.
And as far as the Democrats go, I monitor the left wing blogs and I didn’t see a single one of them say a single word of support for this hideous bill. As Markos Moulitsas constantly reminds us, he goes to the “winnerism” school of politics. And this bill was a loser.
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It is just wounded, maybe dying, but not dead. The surest way to put it out of its misery is for Mitt or Fred to come right out and vow to make sure it is dead. Doesn't anyone of them have a killer instinct? Why do we always play just hard enough to lose? Kill the beast! Put it out of its misery! It is a sure path for a GOP victory with long coattails. The silence is deafening. |
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made a statement on the "Brooks and Shields" segment of PBS' Nightly Report that said essentially that the silent majority of people didn't have time to voice their support of the bill. David is the "conservative" half of what is supposed to be a balanced discussion with Mark Shields being the liberal. That Washington bubble must be made of some new composite polymer space-age material. |
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...Bill Clinton will ask Ted Kennedy to drive Hillary home. |
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to lose?"
I thought you were talking about Iraq.
Just like Bush and McCain, do not overestimate the opposition to this bill. David Brooks is spinning, but becareful you do not follow him. Yes roughly 75% were against it, but for very different reasons. The Dems did not think it was liberal enough.
I would suggest coming up with a simpler conservative plan. You should be able to write it out in outline form on one sheet of paper. It can be done. Not everything about that bill was bad, it was just seriously flawed. |
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Bravo to you. That is the best photoshop you have done yet. Bucko--nice one too. |
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All my PhotoShops are borrowed or stolen. I wish I had the talent to do these things. |
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Kennedy knows Amnesty2 will rip the Rep Party apart. McCain and Bush know it to and do not care.
Kyl (and others like him) must be dumber than a fence post as he does not seem to get it. He will never get re-elected if this passes.
A bad bill will fester. Illegal immigration will go up and the issue will become bigger than the Iraq War in the future. Try running in 2008 or 2010 on this bill as million of illegals keep pouring in and the Dems are reaping the Hispanic vote.
At least Cornyn was smart enough to get the Dems to vote for crime in voting against his ammendments. He is one of the real hero's in this sordid suicide attempt by the Rep party. |
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Please don't confuse the neocons by bringing up such unpleasantries as Laura Bush's vehicular homicide. The poor girl was traumatized by the incident, and the family of the boy she killed owes her an apology -- just as Harry Whittington apologized for getting shot in the face by Dick "Five Deferments" Cheney. |
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What's the matter, things slow at Dem Underground today?
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George Melloan, a now-retired columnist for the Wall Street Journal Editorial page, wrote this in a 2004 column: "When you scratch the surface of those who propose more punitive measures for ridding the country of illegals, you might find a tad of racism." Jason Riley, who was the lone African-American present in the infamous WSJ video of a few weeks ago, wrote a column within the last few years using the word "racist"(the exact form of that word he used I don't remember) to describe those who favored immigration enforcement. Hope someone can track down the exact dates of these columns. It shows that their rhetoric has actually been more moderate of late. |
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With their "closed registration," your little minds won't be confronted with alternate perspectives to confuse you. :o) |
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Some people are just plain mean, and it has nothing to do with needing medication. You can't fix nasty, unfortunately. If you notice, jessicalange and soothsayer tend to have caustic posts every single time they post. It must take an awful lot of energy to be so hateful. Soothsayer is not quite as bad as jessicalange. She tends to have to get mean little digs in every chance she gets...even when she has to force it. |
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They plant their flag in the ground and loudly exclaim that this bill is stupid and corrupt and the American people don't want it! Make it a big part of their campaign speeches and do it forcefully without equivocation. Mitt waffling on the definition of amnesty last week does not inspire confidence. Fred says the right things but only in a sauntering, folksy, while-I-have-a-minute way. We feel outrage. Why don't they? Start leading already! That's how. |
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wear himself out to save these--
INS/FBI Statistical Report on Undocumented Immigrants
2006 (First Quarter) INS/FBI Statistical Report on Undocumented Immigrants
CRIME STATISTICS 95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens.
83% of warrants for murder in Phoenix are for illegal aliens.
86% of warrants for murder in Albuquerque are for illegal aliens.
75% of those on the most wanted list in Los Angeles, Phoenix and Albuquerque are illegal aliens.
24.9% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally
40.1% of all inmates in Arizona detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally
48.2% of all inmates in New Mexico detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally
29% (630,000) convicted illegal alien felons fill our state and federal prisons at a cost of $1.6 billion annually
53% plus of all investigated burglaries reported in California, New Mexico, Nevada, Arizona and Texas are perpetrated by illegal aliens.
50% plus of all gang members in Los Angeles are illegal aliens from south of the border.
71% plus of all apprehended cars stolen in 2005 in Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada and California were stolen by Illegal aliens or “transport coyotes".
47% of cited/stopped drivers in California have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 47%, 92% are illegal aliens.
63% of cited/stopped drivers in Arizona have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 63%, 97% are illegal aliens
66% of cited/stopped drivers in New Mexico have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 66% 98% are illegal aliens.
BIRTH STATISTICS 380,000 plus “anchor babies” were born in the U.S. in 2005 to illegal alien parents, making 380,000 babies automatically U.S.citizens.
97.2% of all costs incurred from those births were paid by the American taxpayers.
66% plus of all births in California are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal whose births were paid for by taxpayers
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..with some Texas sized nonsense. Btw, patently false assertions do not help the cause of preserving our civic life and national sovereignty. |
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All you have to do is visit my blog and see that I like Fred. But he doesn't get a free pass. Everyone is a "suspect". They are torn between voters and monied special interests. I read timidity and over-cautiousness as a sign of phoniness. The spiking of the amnesty was a huge opportunity for an astute campaigner who is committed to conservative issues. Only Hunter and Tancredo picked up on it. Now I am much more leery of the big three than I was. |
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The cheap labor express has too much to lose to allow it to be shut down. Most of the citizens want exactly that, but the power and money in both parties wants amnesty/regularization/guestworker, including Hugh Hewitt. He is concerned about jihadis. He does not care about illegal aliens flooding our country as long as they are not Islamic/Arabic. The Grand Bargainers will try to get enough people like Hugh who are OK with amnesty on board with additional security promises. If the GOP wasn't in the pockets of the cheap labor lobby and had 2 brain cells to rub together, they could clean up in November 2008. A platform of border security and law enforcement would create a landslide. Instead they will continue calling us racist, xenophobic, nativist, restrictionist, anti-immigrant, yahoos and try to shove another amnesty down our throats. I'll bet that isn't going to get them many votes. |
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You know just cuz something gets repeated over and over and over on the web don't mean it ain't so! If you don't like my post- then you go right ahead and challenge the figures. Oh Yeah and I only accept info from GUBMINT Sources. so don't bother with anything that doesn't have a .gov okay pardner! |
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In fairness, when I look more closely at your post, some of the stuff seems true, but other stuff is just jacked-around nonsense--which brings discredit, by the way.
For instance, the assertion is made that that 63% of all "stopped" drivers in AZ (after all, "cited" is a subset of "stopped") have no license. I can accept that a good portion of the non-licensed, non-insured drivers are illegal, but your post argues that 61.1% (.63*.97) of every stopped driver in Arizona is illegal. Seems to me your source are mixing and matching categories to create a big number and leave an impression.
Or the argument that 66% of all births in California are to illegal aliens on Medi-Cal. I can believe that a good percentage of the Medi-cal births (which are financed by Calif. taxpayers) are illegal aliens, but that 66% of ALL births are to illegal aliens? That's ridiculous.
Incidently, your subsequent link to that GAO data concerned a study of 55K illegals who were incarcerated--i.e. had a demonstrated propensity for crime.
Like I said, Mr. Ten Gallon Hat, I agree that illegals constitute an enormous threat to this country, its civic life, and the great American middle-class. But statistical manipulation serves no person. It makes our side ignorant and gives ammo to the other side.
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There is nationalism and there is patriotism. They are different. The former is a type of civic egoism, common as dirt, and a kind of culpable self-deception. The latter is informed, respectful, and without illusion.
There are true patriots on your side of the aisle, of course, but you have lots of nationalists as well. And from Jefferson to Lincoln to FDR to MLK, American liberalism represents the best part of our country's moral and cultural heritage. The nationalists have their leaders--always have and always will--but mankind is not grateful for their service and while they are famous for a year or for a generation, they are forgotten by history. |
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Like I said Pardner PROVE em wrong! "seems to me" and "I can beleive" and "that's ridiculous" don't prove nuthin about my "jacked around nonsense." Come on now- who's all hat and no cattle? I'm waitin to be schooled here. But don't come back with nothin that don't say .gov!
** by the way it's Mrs. Ten Gallon Hat to you.
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waivered on how disgusting this bill was. They were in the trenches last year fighting it under the S-2611 Bush/Kennedy/McCain "Amnesty Bill"......While McCain, Brownback, and Frist were destroying their political careers, Duncan Hunter and Tom Tancredo knew that if passed, it would do more damage than any piece of legislation in the last 100 years! It is the difference in a STATESMAN and a POLITICIAN............For Statesmen, "Principle comes before Ambitions". Both have had a clear record of "AMERICA FIRST", and refused to allow a sitting President of their own party make "Mexico First"! |
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Pardon, Ma'am. I had no idea. Most of the folks in these parts ain't ladies.
I was quite specific in identifying how the list intimates a statistical "reality" that in fact does not exist. Your response simply extracts a few phrases out of context. My aversion to your post was not subjective belief. Rather, I dislike people using statistics, which are invaluable for discerning both intuitive and counterintuitive truth, to distort the picture.
You know, I read that men have more gray matter in the brain, which is used for math, and women have more white matter, which is used for linguistic processing. I mean, I'm not wedded to women being X and men being Y--my approach is more Cheyenne: if a guy wants to hang around with the girls and talk about clothes, have at it. But I sorely wish you had bothered to think rigorously. Like I said, its a critical issue, and in the end, in matters of opinion as well as knowledge, the truth prevails. |
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Say, Kennedy never did answer for Kopechne's death, did he?
He drove drunk. He lost control of the car. It dived into the pond. He saved himself. Kopechne drowned. No law enforcement. No judicial action.
It's a fine example of how Libs softly handle and plan to handle their own guilty. [Notice how they're handling Congressman Jefferson's case]
It also squares with their warm-fuzzy handling of terrorists.
This is why we must correct the mistake of November,'06, in'08. |
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To Dean, Douglass Bartley writes: »»... you show a complete lack of sympathy for the Kopechne family.««
The first disrespect for the Kopechne family was when the drunken slob Kennedy jumped behind the wheel of the car and drove.
The second disrespect of the Kopechne family was when the drunken slob Kennedy, after losing control of the car which, then, plunged into the water, swam to his own safety without ever looking back at the sinking car in which Kopechne drowned.
The third disrespect of the Kopechne family was and is the failure of law enforcement and the courts to treat Kennedy, the fat, drunken slob, the way they would treat you and me.
The picture is no disrespect to the Kopechne family. In fact, it is a reminder to us of the kind of "justice" celebrities get, compared to the kind of "justice" the rest of us get.
And, finally, the Kopechne family and we must be reminded of this from time to time. Dean does us a favor by posting that picture. Not that I need reminding; rather it looks as though YOU need reminding. |
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»»If you notice, jessicalange and soothsayer tend to have caustic posts every single time they post.««
Their coarse, crude conduct has its roots in the early 90s when the Dems started it.
Remember Gephardt, Bonior, Begala and Carville?
They trash-mouthed their way through the mid-90s. |
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Teddy Kennedy is disgusting and should be in jail! |
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»»Why don't you like Edward M. Kennedy? And why does he keep getting re-elected? ««
Because he hasn't been prosecuted for his crime.
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I wanna know why Mothers Against Drunk Driving hasn't demanded justice for Kennedy and the Kopechne family. |
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»»You go swampthing!! Teddy Kennedy is disgusting and should be in jail! ««
He did not pay for his crime. He paid to avoid paying for his crime. There is no telling how many people suddenly got richer in the days following the accident.
The only thing is that society became poorer for lack of prosecution of a person responsible for the death of that poor girl.
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I think Ted Kennedy weaseled his way out of trouble. I also think he thought only about himself when he was swam to safety, just as he thought only about himself when he was taking Mary Jo to God-knows-where to do God-knows-what. We are not defined by the worst thing we do, but the events of that night are awfully hard to live down. He should have been punished for it beyond the glaring stain on his career and reputation.
I also think Jefferson should resign and as a matter of fact, regardless of your assertions, I don't know of many Democrats who are defending him.
So there you go. What I would like to know is are you capable of standards higher than the immorality of your opponents. Is America allowed to torture prisoners like our terrorist enemies do? or are we of a higher standard? Is Republican corruption to be defended on grounds the Democrats do it too? or is it not to be tolerated, regardless of what the Democrats do?! I honestly don't think you stand for anything other than how perfectly awful and evil your enemies are. Sorry, bub, that's not good enough. |
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Liberal Patriot, could you please define torture. I have noticed that many on the left have a pretty skewed definition of torture.
I have never seen a post where Swampthing tries to justify what "his side" has done. "I honestly don't think you stand for anything other than how perfectly awful and evil your enemies are." Is this an assumption on your part or do you have something with which to back this up?
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"Ted Kennedy’s efforts to save his sinking Oldsmobile of an immigration bill as it plunged to the ocean floor."
If the Oldsmobile in the picture is the immigration bill, then John McCain and his campaign should be staring out the back window. |
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... to Give up Their Lives!": Anti-War/Anti-Bush Libs
»»...are you capable of standards higher than the immorality of your opponents.««
Yes.
»» Is America allowed to torture prisoners like our terrorist enemies do?««
We don't do to terrorist prisoners what the terrorists do to those they capture.
They are trying to kill as many as possible in order to terrorize people to give in. They are not interested in saving lives. They are interested only in getting their way. It is an evil way.
We, on the other hand, are not evil and are not doing evil. We are trying to help people.
»» or are we of a higher standard?««
Yes, we want to save American lives.
I'm certain that we want to use the least amount of force in interrogation to get the intel in order to save as many American lives as possible.
»» Is Republican corruption to be defended on grounds the Democrats do it too?««
Is Democrat corruption to be defended on grounds the Republicans do it, too?
»»or is it not to be tolerated, regardless of what the Democrats do?!««
Or is it not to be tolerated, regardless of what the Republicans do?!
»» I honestly don't think you stand for anything other than how perfectly awful and evil your enemies are.««
The enemy we face today and we are not engaged in just some little disagreement. It's not some foolish argument about whose toy truck that is.
This enemy is intent on seeing us dead.
When my enemy is focused only on how to kill me, there's only one way to think about him.
When my enemy is focused only on how to kill those I love, there's only one way to think about him.
When my enemy is focused only on how to kill my fellow Americans, there is only one way to think about him.
»» Sorry, bub, that's not good enough.««
We get it; there is a certain number of American lives you are willing to sacrifice. You believe that those Americans should do so willingly. You're disturbed that you can't find any Americans to do so. You're disturbed, also, that I am encouraging them not to sacrifice their lives for your "principle." |
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»» Like Laura's tragic victim, this one didn't survive the recklessness of a Bush.««
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»»Please don't confuse the neocons by bringing up such unpleasantries as Laura Bush's vehicular homicide. ««
Mrs. Bush was 17. She was not a public figure. She was not married to George Bush. She was a private citizen.
No charges were filed, and the record was expunged.
On the other hand, the drunken, fat slob, Kennedy, was a senator at the time of his accident. He had a lot more to lose than Laura Bush. His crime and the lack of prosecution smell much more fishy. |
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