Sunday, May 31, 2009
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Frank Rich on who is to blame for a possible future terrorist attack...
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Posted by:
John Hanlon at
11:20 PM
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Several weeks ago, on his program and his blog, Hugh Hewitt brought attention to a New York Times opinion piece by Maureen Dowd that seemed to blame Dick Cheney for future terrorist attacks in this country.
Not to be outdone by his colleague at the Times, Frank Rich penned a new opinion piece that was simply entitled "Who is to Blame for the Next Attack?" Rich bluntly wrote "If there’s another terrorist attack, it will be because the mess the Bush administration ignored in Pakistan and Afghanistan spun beyond anyone’s control well before Americans could throw the bums out."
Even after President Obama has been in office for over 100 days, some of the writers of the New York Times opinion page want to blame Bush and Cheney for possible future terrorist attacks. Neither writer seemed to specify what this window for blaming the former administration would expire in their minds. (Would Bush and Cheney be still responsible if a future attack happened in two years, five years, or a decade?) Even with a new Commander in Chief in the Oval Office, it seems that these writers are still looking to blame the Bush administration for possible attacks in the future.
If we are kept safe from attacks in the future though, I am sure that Dowd and Rich will be open to praising President Obama for keeping us safe...
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I'll debate this one last time. Mistakend you are, because the proof is in the pudding. Observant, objective, keen minds believe that had Obambi been Pres., after 9/ll, with his non patriot radical friendships, his naivete and security ignorance, we might have been history!
'O's wishful 'Words just words' aren't going to save us! Ex Democrat |
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"You get carried away but being detailed is a good thing. Begrudgingly, you half way admitted the reality and proved my point."
Uh, dear, I did nothing of the kind.
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You get carried away but being detailed is a good thing. Begrudgingly, you half way admitted the reality and proved my point. Indeed, because of Bush's careful watch, it did contribute to NO attack. Time will tell if the opposite approach, passive, is just as safe, I think not! |
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your argument is fallacious. Read the linked article about the fallacy, as well as the Scheuer article I linked.
The cause of Islamic terrorism is rooted principally in an errant American foreign policy, whether or not the policy has been crafted and carried about by Democrats or Republicans. And inasmuch as that policy proceeds apace in the Middle East, we are actually no safer than we were after 9/11. Scheurer goes into some of the reasons why Al-Qaeda is biding its time.
Moreover, even IF Bush's domestic terorism policy *were* the main cause of us not being hit again, it's at the cost of our civil liberties. The whole thing is just FUBAR.
It's time to stop listening to the neocons, whether they pitch their tent in the GOP or in the Dem Party.
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Hey Frank you A-hole, don't try to pin the act of one disturbed person on an entire philosophy.
The doctor killed was no saint, that being said no one I know condones it and they agree the crime should be prosecuted to full extent.
But, don't come off with this cra$ about how it is the fault of the right. This doctor and all who supported what he was doing are the ones with blood all over their collective hands.
As to crossing the line into murder, I think a man who murdered hundreds a week is a mass murderer. Deal with it! |
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Lonny tunes ha, picked on and slandered the wrong gal. Of course he'll be back, a true masochist. I'm surprised because he knows that obscenities will not be tolerated. Guess we checkmated him one time too many and he lost it! |
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for the fact there has not been another 9/11 attack on our soil. If there is, according to what the Lib/Dem Obamacan'ts are saying, now IF attacked, it will be Bush/Cheneys fault. Doublespeak and contradiction doesn't cut it ha! Give credit where credit is do. Bush doesn't get credit when he stopped attacks here and he is guilty if they do attack on the 'child in chiefs' watch! Bush can't win either way, according to your silly argument |
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what can I say except your lack of class never ceases to amaze me, Everybody step up to the curb, so lonny can float unobstructed down the gutter. |
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"While I may or may not agree with your opinion, I do believe our current foreign policy in the middle east (the past 50 years) has been crafted, adjusted and supported by members of our government across the entire political spectrum. To try and assign this to one person/party is just plain erroneous."
Did you read my comment about the neocons' roots in the old Hawk Dems? If you had, you would have realized that I agree with you.
However, American foreign policy has been pretty much under the control of the neocons since the late 1980s, so that's why I singled them out.
"The term blowback is used by would be pacifists as an excuse to run away from the problems/issues of the middle east."
In light of the article I linked about Chalmers Johnson, such an assertion is patent nonsense. Johnson, Scheuer, Bacevich et al. aren't pacifists. Neither am I.
"And if you want to discuss withdrawing from the region in both physically and politically, please come to the table with a viable alternative actions by the USA, not just say we need to leave..."
The only viable solution is that we DO need to leave. Not that we should end our commercial ventures there, but merely that we need to stop messing around in their internal affairs and withdraw our imperial armed forces from their lands. |
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Your post to Vicky was to say the least discusting and shows just how illiterate you are. I can only hope the likes of you are banned for this kind of discusting behaviour. Fortuantely, most of us know that Vicky can run circles around you when it comes to intellegence. You are just another left wing loon with zero credibility. |
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"At least the nut killed for a reason.
Never an excuse to murder but..."
Another one for your list. "What he did was wrong, BUT..."
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"You're kidding, right? Bush has kept the enemy so busy/distracted off shore, our land has been spared and for other reasons. The terrorist have been denied easy access and their plans uncovered, the fighting enemy destroyed on a massive scale, need I say more? The proof is in the pudding, Ha!"
No, I'm not kidding. That's called the "post hoc ergo propter hoc" fallacy, Vicky. You can read up on that here:
http://www.skepdic.com/posthoc.html
And for an account regarding more likely reasons why we haven't been hit since 9/11, see:
http://www.antiwar.com/scheuer/?articleid=12911
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While I may or may not agree with your opinion, I do believe our current foreign policy in the middle east (the past 50 years) has been crafted, adjusted and supported by members of our government across the entire political spectrum. To try and assign this to one person/party is just plain erroneous.
The term blowback is used by would be pacifists as an excuse to run away from the problems/issues of the middle east. And if you want to discuss withdrawing from the region in both physically and politically, please come to the table with a viable alternative actions by the USA, not just say we need to leave...
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All you can do is label and call those who get the best of you obscene names. You have a tiger by the tail with me, so bring it on loser! |
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You're kidding, right? Bush has kept the enemy so busy/distracted off shore, our land has been spared and for other reasons. The terrorist have been denied easy access and their plans uncovered, the fighting enemy destroyed on a massive scale, need I say more? The proof is in the pudding, Ha! |
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Never an excuse to murder but his belief in the UNborns right to have a life drove him crazy evidently? The defense should pick me to be on the jury. I'm afraid I couldn't be objective, ha, because I'm pro life and understand why he could lose it! I'd give the anti-abortionist some slack but still if he is guilty, the murderer deserves his fate! |
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"Bush/Cheney kept us safe for over seven years."
Really? How do you know this? |
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Not only test Obambi, the peacenik pushover, but before it's over they will sock it to us. Why? One reason because the terriost realize mostly all the mouthpiece does is talk talk talk, words just words'Ha! Human nature being what it is, the Bullys look for the weaker more vulner-able folks and beat up on em. They don't want to take on the ones that will readily and adequately respond! We are spread too thin, with limited money and troops. Our 'amateur in Chief' prefers to spend crucial dollars on paybacks for his supporters, silly earmarks, pork and pet projects etc,. Bush/Cheney kept us safe for over seven years, I give the Dove, Obama, only months to make us 'less' safe, God help our Country! |
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Are you familiar at all with the origins of neoconservatism? Say, it's roots being found among the old Hawk Democrats who gravitated "right" when the Dems took a hard turn left? |
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After spending the previous three years eviscerating the military, Carter couldn't mount a response if he wanted to. Desert One, remember that? I do, someone I knew died there. |
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I'm not a leftist. I'm not even a liberal.
I'm a conservative. A real one. Unlike you.
Also unlike you, I've to come to grips with the principle of blowback. You simply must read about it some time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chalmers_Johnson
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Ummmm, again a left blames the Neocons for a "half centruy of American hegemony" in the Middle East.
Tell me my enlightened friend, have there been any lefty presidents or lefty controlled congresses in the past 50 years? |
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If Carter wouldnt have help overthrow the SHAH of Iran, Iran would still be cruising along not bothereing nobody. Iran is a good example of how LIBERALS would Handle a REAL CRISIS
444 days the Peanut Brain(CARTER) let them hold us Hostage and did nothing, ooops he did manage to get more Americans killed by his only attempt to help them by having Helicoptors flying around in a DUST STORM. and what is really sad is he DID WHAT LIBS SCREAM WE OUGHT TO BE DOING TODAY
TALK TO THEM
THEN 444 DAYS LATER WHEN rEAGAN WAS RAISING HIS HAND TO BECOME POTUS THE IRANIANS STARTED RELEASING THEM.
That ought to tell YOU IGNORANT AS4S4 LIBS WHO THE ENENMIES OF THIS COUNTRY REALLY FEAR(REP POTUS) NOT (dimbobs potus)
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Eric Margolis, referring to the principle of "Blowback" let forth by the ex-CIA analyst and author Chalmers Johnson, puts it this way: "The attacks of September 11, 2001, did not come out of the blue. They were a huge, overdue installment payment in the costs of empire." As Leon Hadar notes in parsing Margolis' comment,
"Washington's policy of propping up unpopular military regimes and monarchies in the Muslim world and its unyielding support for Israel's repression of the Palestinian people, along with the humanitarian catastrophe resulting from the embargo against Iraq, produced a massive backlash against America in the Muslim world."
"Backlash" = "blowback."
Deny it until you're blue in the face, benighted neocons. The plain truth is that there isn't a jihad against us because the jihadists "hate our freedoms." Rather, it's revenge for over half a century of American hegemony in the Middle East. Stop f#@&ing about in their countries in the name of big oil and Zionism, undo liberal immigation policy, and the threat of terror here in the US will likely dissipate.
OK, Cicero, duck: here come's the "They Always Blame America First" Brigade. |
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Keep it up my conservative brothers. Nice logical beat down of the Soros paid trolls...
Hey Frank, you keep beating Molly/scarlett/monkey girl to the punch by posting first in all threads. Did Soros institutre an incentive program for his employees who reply the quickest here on TH? Is it fair you are taking food out of Molly's mouth? |
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"If Jimmy Carter had come down on Iran like a ton of bricks we would not be having any of these problems."
How, exactly, should the U.S. have come down on Iran "like a ton of bricks" in 1979? Can you link us to a responsible commentator or officer who proposed military action that would have had a reasonable chance of getting the hostages released?
Iran is about three times the size of Iraq, and quite mountainous. Explain to us how military action against Iran in 1979 would have been more effective than our military action against Iraq in 2003. |
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Dowd and Rich were only responding to Cheney's own words, which made it very clear that if a terrorist attack were to occur now, he would lay the blame on Obama. Cheney is the one making the wild accusations: don't blame the people who call him on his vicious attacks. |
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Shocking, I know, to hold someone responsible for their actions. I mean, if we actually blame the terrorists, then we'll do really immoral things, like blowing their crap rag country to bits and water boarding their leaders. How bourgeoise! |
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I believe that's the word you folks are looking for. Now that the metrosexual Mao-bama is in office, the enemy is emboldened. |
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Every President and Congress since 1976 is responsible for the mess we are in, Carter more than most. If Jimmy Carter had come down on Iran like a ton of bricks we would not be having any of these problems. As far as the other presidents go they were guilty of the same things that Carter did just not to the same degree.
Terrorism is an act of war, regardless of what anyone will tell you. You do not negotiate with your enemies except when they surrender!
To fix this problem we need to take really decisive action. I’ll give you an example. When the USS Cole was bombed we should have leveled Yemen. When our embassies were bombed we should have leveled the cities they were in. Face it if we can’t muster the nerve to protect our own, then why would anyone else do it for us?
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Frank Rich is a pansy theater critic who decided the world needed to hear his opinions on everything else. He's little more than one of our own Townhall Trolls but with a bang-up vocabulary and a better spell checker. He throws bombs, is filled with hate, and would defend raping 3 year old girls with cattle prods if a well-placed Democrat were the perp.
Ignore the worthless bïtch. Both of them come to think of it. (Dowd) |
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don't obama and holder just send the black panthers that were at the polling places to guard the abortion clinics. |
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I would say that Frank Rich and Maureen Dowd are firing a preeminent strike should we sustain another terrorist attack. They are already absolving Obama of responsibility and we have not even been attacked. Their faith, or lack of, in Obama's ability to defend this nation is scary. |
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Will have the same shelf life as affirmative action.
When the Left finds something they like, baby, they hang on to it. |
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...to set the stage for their typical blame-game routine SINCE they KNOW very well that we (Americans) are going to get whacked in the near distant future. The LAME attempt is soooo idiotic since President Bush kept us very safe for 7.5 years.
It is apparent that they are both "girding their loins" because they are very aware the BO & Mr. TOTUS are naive, inexperienced weaklings. Their hysteria via these absurd, irrational articles is conspicuously off-the-wall. But, obsessive love and devotion to their frail, ineffectual, and irresolute Messiah tends to provoke a huge blind-spot as to reality.
These ridiculous ideologues better get a grip. BO and Mr. TOTUS are at the healm NOW, sooo anything that occurs UNDER THEIR WATCH is their...responsibility, blunder, failing, thus, FAULT.
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So now you wacked out lefties finally admit that Mao-bama can't do all the things he promised?
Little late isn't it, dimwitt? |
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History teaches us, it's that: WEAKNESS IS PROVOCATIVE."
Baa-Daa-Bing. Like dat.
The left, of course, doesn't care a spit about history. Just their grubby little Ends. |
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Why does anyone respond to Frank Rich's B.S |
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With half(more?)the world's tyrants kicking sand(and nuke tests & missiles)in Weak Sister Bamma's sensitive, apologetic face...Oh, yeah BaayBeeeeeee, it's the Evil Boooosh causing further attacks. Frank Rich wouldn't pass the first day of Frosh Logic-101.
Can't wait for Cairo's Big Bamster speech to the 'Muslim World' on Thursday. He'll huggg'um, he'll squeeze'um...He'll make'um put away all those pesky IADs, machine guns, stoning pits, Jew hatred...Cuz'ya know, he'll wuv'um till they can wuz their wittle murderous selves. Yep, giving the butchers more in Palestine will teach'um wuv fo'dem Jews, Baby. |
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They should have never fought those terrorists...it makes them mad at us.
If we would have had a president like Barack Hussein "Goddamn America" Obama (a Muslim-lover) in office, he could have apologized to the Jihadis like he's doing now, and we wouldn't be having these problems...
...rather than trying to kill us...they'd just be loving us to death. |
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Our new president has already shown that he is weak. These terrorists know it and they will take full advantage. This show of weakness is exactly what these guys have been waiting for. We can only hope that Obama starts to get what is really going on before it is too late. These are not people to be reasoned with. For Frank and Molly and the others who think that pandering to these guys is the answer you had better educate yourselves on what the real goals of these people are. Ignorance is not an option right now. We are fighting to save our country and our freedom. |
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Good argument Frank, WOW, you blew us away with your superior thinking and conversation skill's.
Some 2nd grade teacher should be recognized for your achievements. |
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I seem to believe my own brain, which seems to say its getting worse everywhere, iraq, pakistan afghanistan, north korea, iran, seems once bush left the whitehouse all his good work was flushed away by OBAMA, AND NOW YOU ALL WANT TO blame HIM, everything HAS DOVE OFF THE CLIFF SINCE oBAMA TOOK OVER, AND THERES NO SILVER LINING ON THE HORIZON , so dry up frank, try to talk to Obama and stop your propaganda and lies here, we dont buy the nut junk you try to sell. |
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Doug writes: Monday, June, 01, 2009 12:40 AM
Good Point
Good point Arch, thanks,Doug.
Arch says.
Give them jive. That is all they are worth! |
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Frank writes: Monday, June, 01, 2009 12:39 AM
warning doug
arch thinks liberals paid the shooter; I guess that's the kind of well thought out analysis you prefer?
Of course. now the nutters have to stick together closer than ever.
Arch says
Frank. You know they did! You are part of the collective. Quit lying! |
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Good point Arch, thanks,Doug. |
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Doug writes: Monday, June, 01, 2009 12:29 AM
Frank and Molly
Frank , gun sales are up according to national retail applications numbers due to the positions taken by the current administration's position on the 2nd amendment. Nice try.
Molly, that report referenced the hightened activity with Iraq, not internationally, as those incidents were reduced by the interrogation methods of the Bush administration, recently validated by President Obama's Security Advisor.The elevated level withn Irag was subdued by the Surge.
Arch says
Doug. Don't waste too much time on these two. They are hopeless little trolls with a need for attention. Their points cannot be backed up by reason. |
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Frank , gun sales are up according to national retail applications numbers due to the positions taken by the current administration's position on the 2nd amendment. Nice try.
Molly, that report referenced the hightened activity with Iraq, not internationally, as those incidents were reduced by the interrogation methods of the Bush administration, recently validated by President Obama's Security Advisor.The elevated level withn Irag was subdued by the Surge. |
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Frank writes: Monday, June, 01, 2009 12:22 AM
marty and arch
Endless well of A-H***S those two. But funny to watch them scurry like rats from one ill advised talking point to the next.
I wonder if they wil ever find the cheese?
Doubful.
Arch says
Frank. Did you know that it is the second mouse that gets the cheese? I didn't think so! |
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To say, Roeder is a right-winger is tantamount to saying the Black Panthers are Democrats. |
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Beginning in 1979, the US has been under attack. |
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Marty writes: Monday, June, 01, 2009 12:11 AM
Frank: Roeder is not far-right
The shooter, Scott P. Roeder, 51, is a left-wing nut, Frank. He's a liberal, Frank!
Arch says
Yep I knew it! Libtards have dirty hands all over this. |
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Frank writes: Sunday, May, 31, 2009 11:48 PM
just had a terrorist attack
a far right religious nutter just ASSASINATED somebody. Perhaps we should be taking a closer look at the terrorist already within our bossom,eh? Seems the homegronw terrorist are all worked up for some mystertious reason...maybe because the right wing has decided that it best effort to win the culture war is simply to be be jerks while overreacting to everylittle thing.
Now it would appear that the far right relgious nutters teaparty people have finally lost it crossing the line into the territory of murder.
Arch says
Nope Frank. WE conservatives will condemn the insane murderer and send him to prison or death row. Notice how that differs with the Islamo scum. They give theirs a martyrs award and cheer others on to do more. You have not a clue to reality in your arguments. They are illogical and baseless. |
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The shooter, Scott P. Roeder, 51, is a left-wing nut, Frank. He's a liberal, Frank! |
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The administration's own National Intelligence Estimate on "Trends in Global Terrorism: implications for the United States," circulated within the government in April 2006 and partially declassified in October, states that "the Iraq War has become the 'cause celebre' for jihadists ... and is shaping a new generation of terrorist leaders and operatives." |
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why are you so worked up the guy who was killed was a WHITE abortion Dr. |
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Molly, please get together with Frank and educate yourself on the topic. You sound even more angry then Frank. |
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Frank,
Please read George Weigel or Mary Habreks books on the truth of the war against Jihadism. Or read the Looming Tower. Just read anything on the topic. Your blaming is baseless and angry my friend. |
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are ALREADY making "pre-excuses" for their King.........
Sad bunch of Kool-Aid drinking sheep........
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