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Obama seemed very agitated at times. Frankly the best Presidential debate I have yet seen in watching debates for over 30 years. |
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into that good night.
But Obama is the future. |
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Only a moron thinks that Obama made any sense on many of his points tonight, particularly with regard to the war.
If we are a nation of morons, well, then Obama may well win the election.
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My father came from Kenya---that's where I get my name. he came here because America had a good standing in the world adn he wanted to come hear for an education and we do not enjoy that same standing in the world anymore..................Mr. Obama, your inference is that if your father was seeking an education today he would NOT want to come to America to ge it------YEAH, RIGHT.
What a powerful blunder of a commetn that was.
Mexicans are beating the doors down to get in our country.
Middle Easterners continue to clamor for a U.S. education.
I guess KENYA is the only country not wanting to achieve an education in the U.S.A.---at least according to Barack Obama. |
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he has zero experience. However, he said McCain is right so many times it made him look like a follower more than a leader. I do think people will remember that 'Obama is not just naive, he is dangerous!'. |
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right".....
I never thought I would find that I could agree so much with Senator Obama, but by golly he is on the spot:
"John is right" |
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You were obviously watching a rerun of a debate between Obama and Hillary.
You certainly were not watching tonight's live event.
You live up to yoru moniker, King-Ding-a-Ling-Liberal |
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Wow, McCain did it1 great job. I didn't watch, I listen on AM 590. I was cheering. How many times di Obama say he agreed with John. Its apparent John leads and Obama follows (waffles) |
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Notice how disrespectful Obama is of McCain? Obama calls him John ('now John. . .) where McCain always uses Obama's formal title Senator! Youth and arrogance versus age and courtesy! |
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Maybe I'm tired and cranky; Friday night; worried about the market meltdowns.... but both these men are incredibly mediocre and unprepared for the job. I don't think either one of them has thought much about any new approaches to foreign policy. I'm really disgusted and unimpressed with these guys; I'm still voting for my cranky, unprepared old codger dude.
Hopefully my guy McCain looked better to the electorate than he did to me. |
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100K Kenyan international students in the USA. And many more are trying to get visa's to come here. |
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a nation of morons.
But we disagree on which party's candidate best proves it. |
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1. WE THE PEOPLE made America #1
2. We are not broken!
3. Such arrogance to say we have lost status and he, Obama, will restore. |
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Hunterson, I don't know what you've been smoking, but McCain was pathological and emotional and entirely unPresidential. Barack was cool, focused, smart--what you want from a President.
We have had enough of this seat-of-the-pants hooey in the Oval Office. And the people know it. McCain's volatility, impulsiveness--his weird wildness--was on full display. Some idiots in the media--and certainly the guys in here--will love his performance, as they are emotional weaklings themselves. But middle-America, looking at that younger black man and that foaming and spittling old guy, is deciding--right at this very minute--that Barack is the adult of the two.. |
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John states, "Obama just doesn't understand"
Barrack states, " I agree with john on that one" |
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My. Can you imagine a world moment with this level of high school debate from a world leader? Senator Obama not only lacks knowledge, he lacks ability to think on his feet. Poor, poor display. Senator McCain moved from too slow at the beginning to brilliant. He proved his experience, his knowledge, his leadership. Senator Obama proved his lack of all.
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As a Democrat, I'm already waiting for 2012. Obama got hammered tonight, and he showed he's not ready to be the commander in chief. That wasn't a debate tonight we saw tonight. It was Professor McCain giving his pupil Barack Obama a lesson in foreign policy. What a joke Obama is. |
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I wasn't that impressed with McCain (although I rarely have been), he definetly shined on some of his answered, expecially when he pointed out the bad judgement of Obama with the Russian issue and the surge issue. But why didn't he point out the demonstrable point concerning our current finincial problems with this country that it was due to the Democrats pushing loans to people who couldn't aford to pay them back? his not saying anything about that made it look like he was accepting the blame that Obama was laying at the feet of the Bush administration. That stuff drives me nuts about McCain!
I think the format of this debate favored Obama too (purposley, I'm sure). It allowed him to espouse his theories ad nausium. At times I felt like I was listening to an Obama campaign commercial.
Lastly, McCain should look at Obama more. He seemed to be avoiding doing that throughout the debate. |
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Obama owned him, Hugh boy. Watch the news tomorrow. Whether or not Obama's win will be reflected in the polls, well, we will see. That's a more complicated issue. But I expect a jump in his favor. |
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Did you actually watch the deabte? |
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I know this is probbly McCain's strongest area -- but if I was going to vote based only on this debate I'd gladly vote for McCain. I'm surprised that he impressed me so much because I'm grudgingly voting for McCain. |
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Got Senator McCain's NAME wrong three/four times!(57 states comprise the USA; Georgia invasion by Russian Federation should be taken to the UN...where Russia has permanent seat on Security Council).CEO's of the shark companies should be held accountable (imprisoned?) FM/FM CEO's were among Obama's biggest campaign contributors(one vetted his VP's before he resigned under fire).
Did Obama do well? Even the Devil can quote scripture(he is the most liberal member (all 142 days of him)of the Senate~tied thigh to thigh with Dick Durban; Chuck Schumacher; and Congressman Barney Fwank.
Even the Devil can quote scripture...
Arthur McVarish, Houston
(No votes,IMO)were changed). MSM are creaming their jeans(wait til they edit the debate) over him (Mathews has another thrill up his leg)... |
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Republican troll pretending to be a disillusioned Democrat on a Republican board.
I see through your false flag crap.
McCain almost blew his top when he couldn't pronounce Ahmadinejad. |
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Obama, looked "aloof", stiff, little starchy, stoney, maybe mad!
In contrast, McCain, cool relaxed, smiled, was confident, firm with no apologies for his decisions.
McCain looked more like commander in chief, ready to lead, a great nation in time of war on terror.
YES... MCCAIN, WON!
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Laurie K here.
Dear Patriotic Liberal. You just don't get it. Emotion that is real is quite different from emotion that is fake. When someone has been through what Senator McCain has one has the right to be emotional about what our country needs to do. When someone has only been pretending, per Senator Obama, emotions are fake: foreign policy, economy, our future.
Real won over fake. Country first triumphed.
Experience does count.
PS it wasn't boring: it was funny. Um, um, um, but, but, but, John, John, John...First let me, first, first, first...
Please.
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is the right-wing noise machine and the corporate media proclaiming a McCain victory--notwithstanding that the man is obviously doddering and unstable. And after a day or two or three, the polls will show more widening towards Barack. This debate was not about how much spittle McCain could let loose. That intrigues the media and excites the base, but the genuinely undecided voter looked at the debate and saw a man who was Presidential and had a vision for a different, better way. That's what they saw. McCain's atmospherics will appeal to emotionally needy Reeps and drama hungry media. The public, tho, after all these years of juvenile nonsense, are ready for a grown-up--and Barack fit the bill. Enjoy your emotional upswing for the 36 hours. That's all you guys are these days any way--raw pathology. McCain is case in point.
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Did you vote in a primary? If so for whom? I ask because I'm wondering if you were an Obama supporter or got stuck with him? I know I got stuck with McCain.
I will never understand why the Dems went out of their way to take down Hillary -- I believe if she was the nominee McCain wouldn't have a chance at winning this year. And I'm not a Democrat. |
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Spare me. You punks wouldn't know authenticity if it rolled over you in a truck. America has had enough of your EQ and hasty certitudes. America is ready for the real deal--a man, rational and wise. |
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Obama didn't stumble enough, so we switched to taking drinks every time he that he agreed with McCain (and therefore, Bush).
I am soooo drunk. This otta be fun. |
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Is anybody really surprised that Hugh Hewitt is planting a big wet one on John McCain's backside? If McCain had come out on stage and slept for 90 minutes without saying a word, Hugh would still say he won.
McCain was nothing more than one of those old talking dolls with a pullcord in the back. Every time you pulled the cord, McCain said "My opponent just doesn't understand." A one-trick pony won't make it to the White House.
My evaluation: Essentially a draw. Obama more personable, McCain very calm and controlled. No big gains, no big damage. |
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and Obama would not lie, would he? |
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"America is ready for the real deal--a man,"
One of these days you lib will nominate one. Obama has less testosterone than Hillary. |
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Did he seriously end with that? Is that the 2008 version of Jimma Carter's "malaise" speech.
Perhaps he should visit an citizenship ceremony and see tears in people's eyes as they take a pledge, look at our flag, and when they finish, can claim that flag as their own.
This minute, people are climbing through pipes, trekking through some of the toughest desert, to get in here. People in Cuba have even turned 57 Chevy's into boats just to try and make it here...
You cannot lead my country if you are willing to malign my country...maybe the elites of the world don't want to come here...but ask the children in Africa, visit some of our universities and when you see a foreign student nearing graduation, ask him if he wants to stay. Ask the Indonesians who survived the tsunami about the armada of boats and choppers filled with our boys...and then ask them if they want to come live here.
I need a president to care about my opinion and not just see his country....but actually look at his country.
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Just stuck his head in here before he ultimately "scaling back" on posting on Hugh's threads.
Keep commenting, Pathologic Liberal. Two or three more posts from you and I'll win the over/under on your weekly posts.
Man, are you pathologic. |
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Funny that your analysis includes how mature Obama is -- one of my biggest pet peeves about him has long been that he seems immature (exceedingly so for a man close to 50). He often reminds me of a college student discussing politics not someone who graduated 25 years ago. |
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McCain get off this bipartisan crap now! Also do not mention Eighteen billion dollars worth of earmarks when you have a 700 billion dollar financial crisis entirely of the Democrat's making. He acts like he doesn't have the killer instinct to go for the jugular because they are his friends. To quote Roman Maroni this is Fargin War!
Obama said McCain things the market will fix everything. McCain needs to say that Obama thinks government is the end all.
I think McCain needs to hit this Marxist view Obama for the economy.
McCain needs to point out where Obama was when the war on terror started and hit his associations pointing out his consistent bad judgment.
McCain needs to stray more to the conservatives like at Saddleback and the convention on this financial business.
McCain needs to stop this talk of reaching across the aisle. It makes him look like Naive old fool because the Demorats may like meeting with him at Blacky's Steak House for a drink after their feverish work on the Senate floor. However, they have no regard for him in the political arena. They seek to defeat him and he still wants to be buddies with them, This is dangerous, stupid, and wrong. He needs to stop trying to get along with these people because they want to destroy him. You cannot make nice with them. They seek domination over you and you can succumb or dominate over them. |
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The financial crises hurt McCain at the start of the debate because nobody knows whats going on or whats going to happen. That left Obama a slight winner at the start because only general statements could be made.
Once the questions got into foreign policy, McCain was a slam dunk, and McCain's finished was fantastic compared to Obama's "my dad was from Kenya...and the U.S. isn't what it used to be."
So, if the whole debate would have been on foreign policy, McCain would have scored big time.
I think the independents go for McCain tonight.
Now, Palin needs a tie with Biden.
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Both candidates articulated their positions fairly well. Both had uncomfortable issues brought up. I thought McCain was practical, Obama idealistic.
I have college-aged children, and it was like a conversation around the dinner table. McCain was usually right, as I always am. |
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Patriotic Liberal writes: Thursday, August, 07, 2008 8:54 PM
CS
"...I've been gone, and the non-masochists in here will be delighted to learn that I am scaling back my posts here. Got better things to do with my time now."
PL is doing ANYTHING but keeping to his quoted declaration above.
How pathetic, this miserable little person is. |
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One strong signal about who won the debate: Obama had that "oh crap" look on his face after the debate. Obama knew McCain got his goat. he was on the defensive throughout.
Obama was not happy with his performance and it clearly showed. |
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They will need a real hook for the plagiarist blowhard from Scranton, Delaware.
I am confident when conservative principals are showcased against liberal principals conservatives win hands down.
McCain is going to screw this up unless somebody give him the word that he should have move right. If not it is over. |
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Obama was on the defensive all night. I don't know what debate those that think Obama won were watching. |
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...ratty-tat-tat manniquin regurgitating what he's programmed to spout.
McCain is a real person. |
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"I have college-aged children, and it was like a conversation around the dinner table. McCain was usually right, as I always am."
(I love quoting myself. Will do this more often.)
PS-all four of my children, and my son-in law, will be voting for McCain. Breeders Rule! |
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Not all of us Democrats are delusional like you. Ever hear of Reagan Democrats you ignoramus. We may be cultural liberals, but we're not bleeding hearts on defense and economic issues like the obvious hard left-winger you are. You wait till election night and you'll see how many Democrats vote against Obama. It'll be over 20%. Then you and the rest of your ilk will see that there is a major problem within our party. |
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but the first hour--though I was back & forth constantly with a Rays-Tigers Game--looked pretty much like a draw to me. I hate damned debates. They typically--tonight included--make my skin crawl. Jim Lehr was a much better moderator than we're accustomed to, for sure.
No knockout punch from McCain and no 'Win' from Barack. |
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I know what you are saying about McCain not looking at Obama. However, it is actually proper debate etiquette to debate your opponent through the moderator and not turn and face them. Jim was wrong in asking them to answer each other directly. Obama's staring at and talking directly to McCain made Obama look argumentative and like high school debate novice. I judge collegiate debate and can say on a competitive debate ballot Obama would receive very low points for style.
As far as their forensics were concerned they were both pretty bland and often times they were like ships passing in the night. |
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Rudy is fired up and kick Alan Colmes behind. Rudy is quick on his feet and I think McCain looks slow. Obama looks like Ali and McCain looks like Frazier. |
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Dick Morris said he thinks the most merciful won. |
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You aren't a Democrat. Quit pretending that you are. And Reagan Democrats--most of whom have died off--were cultural conservatives (and fiscal liberals).
YOU wait until election night. You and all the other phony baloneys who have taken our country to the brink are going down. |
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Obama performed better than I expected but he was still the clear loser. McCain let Obama up to fight another day. He needed to press his advantage when he had the opportunity |
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This clinched it. I am so ashamed of Obama. How could the Democrats have appointed him as the party's candidate? Where is Hillary when you need her??!! McCain 2008 and Hillary 2012. |
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Is Obama is so used to tailoring his speeches to whatever crowd of constituents he is speaking to, that he couldn't help but agree with McCain over and over again?
Personally, I felt that McCain pulled it off narrowly, but not by a big enough margin to really have impact.
After this debate, I have some policy questions for Obama: Is Obama for offshore drilling? Is he for nuclear energy? Is for for missile defense? I'm not clear on his positions. I guess it's time to do some research. |
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Learher asked how the current crisis would change their economic plans.
McCain could have gone for the jugular on the economy after Obama gave his list of "investments". Obama plans to spend his way out. What a dunce.
A freeze on spending? YES!!
"Not just naive, but dangerous. Just dangerous!"
EXCELLENT!!!
However, McCain has to keep his cool. It was pointed out earlier as well, McCain called Obama "Senator", while Obama called McCain "John". Subtle, but to many, respect is very important.
Let the 527's twist Obama's head off.
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McCain was right ad put out befor Obama got his legs back. Brigsy, you're right McCain will not go gently into that night. He stopped what ever bleeding tonight with idies, and if Palin can have no more you can see Russia from here moments, then McCain get the town hall to kick Obama around some more. If indies move back to undecided, then McCain has a change to win this with the third debate. |
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You're not "scaling back" as you promised to be.
"Quit pretending that you are."
You are the quintessential, "phoney baloney".
Obviously, you've got nothing better to do with your time either.
Pathetic liar. |
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superior to Briggsy, Pathetic Liberal and King Liberal, I'm going to have to weigh in with those reactionaries and say that The Metrosexual did well tonight.
He's still scary ignorant, lies like hell and remains a closet Marxist, but he didn't do all the "ums" and "ers" that Hugh predicted he would.
He delivered the solid, scripted performance that his handlers were hoping for.
As my spouse, a Yellow Dog Democrat, said, "Nobody who already knows who he's going to vote for was persuaded to change his mind."
I agree. The battleground is the undecideds, and we'll see what unfolds over the next debates. Anybody who's predicting a blowout victory either way is just blowing hot air (like the folks whose names I mentioned above). |
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I think the economy is the focal point of difference between the two candidates and should be driven at every opportunity.
Grow the economy out of this financial difficulty not at taxpayer expense. He needs to drive this corporate income tax business. The tax rate for most companies is not less than Ireland or other business friendly countries.
He needs to make the conservative Democrats (both of them) that when corporations pay low taxes they can expand their business. He cannot let Obama take that strong point from him. Another issue is capital gains tax. This is not a rich only tax that affects only 10 or 20 percent of the people. Three out of four people are investing money in the stock market. That money can be used to stimulate the economy in a variety of methods like small business startup, second home purchases, cars, boats, and other.
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McCain was more interesting to listen to. He is more direct. Obama talks and talks and says nothing. I kept yelling at the screen, "Hurry up or shut up!" How could anyone watch this tonight and not know who would you'd want for your "Commander and Chief." I think the main goal for Obama was to tie McCain with Bush. The main goal for McCain was to remind us of Obama's inexperience. McCain won hands down!!!! |
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Go to the McCain site. The ad is already there. "I agree with John"
Obama looked a little mad or irritated. Great job John.
Oh well Obama insisted on this debate. Now McCain goes back to DC to fix America's economy. I guess the old guy can do two things at a time. |
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Ditto...that's what I want to see too. I think Palin will bring it next week.
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He could have asked, "How many poor people do you know who are hiring?"
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Hey, it's late and I just had to listen to Obama pontificate for 50 minutes.... |
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After having pressed the issue several times, during the debate, Obama claimed that McCain's longtime friend, Henry Kissinger, "agreed that he would meet with Iran's leader with no preconditions (paraphrase)".
Obama referred to this cmment by Henry Kissinger more than once in attempt to combat John McCain's view that one should NEVER do this.
Well, well, well.....Henry Kissinger did not wait long to respond and has been quoted saying that he agrees fully with McCain and has NO IDEA where Obama came up with such a comment by Mr. Kissinger.
SO-----DID OBAMA LIE? |
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I don't know what it means to say this or that candidate "won" the debate. What the heck does that mean? McCain articulated his beliefs, while Obama struggled to appear presidential in his elegant dark blue suit and to distance himself from the left wing of his party. If Obama expresses his true beliefs in the debates, he knows he will lose the election. Americans don't want an ardent left-winger in the White House, and Obama knows it. He knew his mission tonight was to appear "palatable" to the average American voter, and he may have accomplished that. People are easily fooled by appearances.
McCain is a man of substance who may not appeal to the average, politically naive American voter. He is hard to pigeon-hole, hard to define. That he is experienced and ethical and passionately patriotic cannot be doubted. That he has been prophetic about many issues of real importance is also indisputable. Whether he wins this election or not depends a great deal on the sophistication of the American electorate.
We all know the left wing will vote for Obama because he is one of them; but will more moderate voters be fooled by Obama's affect of reasonableness? I certainly hope not.
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Even though I am one of those mere reactionaries you mention, I'm glad to see at least one reasonable person here besides myself.
Yes, the night was Obama's. There's no question about that. And yes, you are right: that doesn't matter to those who have concrete minds - all mixed up and permanently set.
As with every election these day, what matters is the swing vote. And if the swing vote was relying principally on tonight's debate (which of course it isn't) and the election were to be held tomorrow, Obama would be the next POTUS. |
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two differant debates. Some saw one and some saw another.
McCain was clear and to the point with issues such as cutting Government Spending, Ear Marks, on and on.
Obama was in a fog and did not really answer many of the questions, He talked around the issues.
The only issue Obama seemed clear on was that he was not going to cut his spending and increase Government Power on the private sector.
McCain was able to rattle Obama several times though out the 90 minutes.
McCain not being President yet and not having his own Presidential Seal was a good zing.
Obama seemed like he was looking for the teleprompter but did better then I thought he would.
The norm for Obama is Bumbling, stumbling, whoop whoop whoop type of comments with out written help.
Obama must have spent his time with his handlers as McCain was working on the peoples Biz. |
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After having pressed the issue several times, during the debate, Obama claimed that McCain's longtime friend, Henry Kissinger, "agreed that he would meet with Iran's leader with no preconditions (paraphrase)".
Obama referred to this cmment by Henry Kissinger more than once in attempt to combat John McCain's view that one should NEVER do this.
Well, well, well.....Henry Kissinger did not wait long to respond and has just tonight weighed in, saying that he agrees fully with McCain and has NO IDEA where Obama came up with such a comment by Mr. Kissinger.
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is i'm not a McCain fan, but I felt he won handily. But what I'm seeing in the news polls etc. is that the majority thought Obama won. I wonder if it is because he is younger and better looking. |
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McCain could have also said, "Well, when times are tight, we tighten up our belts. Just like all responsible people do. If the car breaks down and we have an added expense, we have to eliminate frivolous expenditures for a while."
Even better, he could have told Lerher, "Hey! I'm a fiscal conservative, ask the man with taxpayer's money burning a hole in his pocket." |
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This wasnt a debate. Pick up a history book and read what real debate consisted of when our fore fathers had them. This was an excercise to pickup votes from stupid people that dont know when their being led to the slater. Until you have the sense to compare everything youve heard to the Constistution and see if it is in good standing with this document, refrain from thinking to much!! Both of these men are full of horse ****. Until they start talking about how they are going to return power to "we the people" they are leading you around buy the nose. |
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That is big smoke! Where did you see it? It will be currious if the Propaganda Ministry reports on this. Please advise.
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Don't worry about polls until Nov. 4
One of the most memorable lines in a modern debate was Benson's "...and you're no Jack Kennedy".
Benson lost. |
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Which candidate do you think will adhere to the Constitution more closely? Can you imagine two more Ruth Buzzy type candidates for the Supreme Court? |
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"But what I'm seeing in the news polls etc. is that the majority thought Obama won. I wonder if it is because he is younger and better looking."
That's part of it. The other part of it is that Obama clearly bested the old man in terms of substance. |
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looking at the polls and the immediate response to the debate -- for the first time I'm starting to think Obama is going to win. |
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McCain will at least make an attempt to nominate judges to the Supreme Court who are strict constructionists. There is no hope for that with Obama. Say good-bye to your beloved constitution if you sit this one out. |
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We said goodbye to the Constitution in 1865, if not before. |
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I think he learned a few things from McCain tonight. McCain was clearly more knowledgeable on all subjects and Obambi was reciting memorized talking points. My wife who is relatively new to politics says McCain mopped the floor with Bambi. Yet he missed several cahances at a knockout blow:1)When McCain was hammering Bambi on spending and how he would cut spending, Bambi came back with a reply that how could McCain say that when he voted with the Prez on most of it. McCain should have said again that he was a proven cutter while Obambi was standing right there proposing trillions in new programs on top of the ones already in place. He should have said, "We know that you will not cut but only increase spending."
2) when talking about Iraq, McCain should have poited out 1 Obambi was not in the Senate when the vote came down, and 2. under his vision Saddam would still be in power, thumbing his nose at the U.S. |
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..although we apparently have the same political viewpoint.
While the polls have been dissected at this site and others, you gotta wonder about the FOX viewer and AOL insta-polls (see above) coming up with 82%-18% and 63%-13% respectively for McCain over Obama.
My opinion was not changed (i.e., I will not be voting for Obama) and I dare say the Pathological Liberal, Queen Liberal, Alice66, the bag lady will not be switching over to McCain/Palin so..
..that does say something troubling about the potential for voter turnout, perhaps? I mean, maybe there is a silent majority out there waiting to give The Magnificent One a trip back to the slums of Chicago?
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Drudge voters say:
McCain 68 percent
Obama 30 percent
Neither: 2 percent
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I am in the middle of it now (thank you DVR). I think Obama looked better at the beginning. McCain was slow to warm up. On the other hand, Obama keeps interrupting McCain, which looks petty to me, but probably looks aggressive to the Looney Left.
McCain blew a lot of answers at the beginning. Easy comments. When BO mentioned that he voted with Bush 90% of the time, McCain should have said that Obama voted with Bush 78% of the time (or whatever it was). More importantly, Obama voted with Nancy Pelosi 97% of the time. When Obama mentioned tax cuts for 95% of Americans, McCain should have asked how do people that pay no taxes get a tax cut, because if you are saying what I think you are saying, that is welfare at best or socialism with wealth distribution at worst. Instead, McCain sounded like a Democrat lite.
I am glad he turned it on a bit in the second half. Unfortunately, Fox News might have said that McCain won, but I would bet my hat that NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, and the papers will say that McCain got killed by the One.
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Mcain kicked his a##, wore him around the stage like an oversized bunny slipper . with all the libs are calling it a tie it's proof that it was an a@# kicking and they know it . mcain came across relaxed and loose, obama on the defensive and agitated. what more can you say? a#% kicking |
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I am really weary of McCain's refusal or inability to state the impossibility of Obama's claim that he will give "95% of the people a tax cut" when 40% of the people do not even PAY any taxes. The top 50% of all income earners pay 97% of all income taxes! (2006 figures)
Why won't McCain properly point out the fallacy of Obama's position?
If Obama gets his way, over half of all American adults will no longer have a financial stake in the way the federal government operates - other than being a recipient, of course. |
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"Drudge voters say:"
Yeah. So?
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What more can I say? You're delusional.
How's that? |
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Obama wants you to love America!
PLEASE.
WHAT exactly Obama will do, so the rest of the world will love us?
What are our mistakes? Or sins?
Not nice to be the only Superpower?
Are we going have to have another "global test"?
To win the hearts and minds of the Citizens of the World.
So, this is Obama's first presidential agenda?
The Chief Community Harmony Organizer of the World, Kum ....ba.....ya....
Oooops, fact checking.....
Henry the K. says Obama is lying(misquoted his statement.)
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Even though he's a shameless political whore - and I'm ashamed to say I will vote for him because of Supreme Court appointments- I wonder how we, as Republicans, wound up with this guy as our nominee for president. I listened to him ( streaming audio- no video ) and frankly, he sounded OLD and TIRED, and won't win over anyone who is on the fence, who, after 9+ months of primaries means "really stoopid people" or "independents"and "undecideds" who have apparently been in the bathroom since 2007, but these are the schlubs who will decide this election.
From just listening( not seeing ) to both contenders, Obama seemed more in control of the issues( even though he probably learned them in the last 48 hours ) and much more relaxed than McCain who didn't capitalize on obvious points by his opponent - Obama's statement that " worst of all" to America was the "cost" to the country rather than the 4K service personnel dead and probably 3 or 4 times that many wounded. I just couldn't believe he let that go.
I'm 50 yrs. old and haven't voted FOR someone to be my president since '83 and 87.
That's too damn long to wait for another one.
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To those that think you have accept this crap!! MY friends I love any American who refuses to accept this standard. This nation needs to review its Constitution and recall what the 2nd Amendment was intended for. Please quite reading the commentators explinations ( propiganda) and read what our fore fathers expected of us. We have the right, the obligation to keep our constitution as the end all to any question of the roll of government and its intervention in any and all situations. When the politicans no longer uphold that standard we must force change. that change may require the use of force; for those of you that dont get what that means see the 2nd Amendment and the founders reasons behind it. When "they" realize what lengths we'll go to to see "real change" they will start to change. Look to history if you think I'm full of it. As to the question of whos the better evil to elect, simpil, elect the worste. Why, because that is what causes change. People will finally feel the pain of socialism and become compeled to act. Those of you who worry that great tragedy will befall you take note. People like me, men of war, wont let them get to far with their agenda. People like me ae true patriots, we know that when peacefull resolution is not going to work, I must strap on my guns and take the wood to those that are enemies of the constitution. We are often branded as war mongers, traitors, and murderors but so were the patroits of the 1770's. I dont care what I labeled as so long has my children have liberty and freedom. |
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Apparently you missed the Obama victory you obviously don't understand. It's not your fault; you're from an older generation that thought and read more deeply and widely (just look at Time Magazine three decades ago compared to today's editions). Most people today get their news and info from TV and its reliance on polished presentation. Obama was more polished; he therefore will win according to the polls. Just wait and see.
I can't believe you're missing this...and you claim so much media experience and understanding. It just goes to show. |
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Not two different debates, just one that was close enough that it was decided on points. Close enough each candidate’s supporters are going to see a win, and few undecided voters will be completely moved. One of the commenters used a boxing analogy earlier this evening, and I think it fits. This was like watching an eight round mid card fight, no knockout, no TKO, but judged on points. That is the most positive things I can the event this evening.
Yes, I will give the call to Senator McCain on points, through my filters, his answers just made more sense than Senator Obama’s. Senator Obama obviously was well coached and had his lines down pat, but in the delivery, I was left wondering how well he understood what he was saying. Senator McCain on the other hand showed that he has a working understanding of the world conditions. Lots of touches but little solid body contact.
Oh well just my two cents.
Cheers
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McCain: "You don't do that. You don't say that out loud."
BO: "I've got a bracelet too."
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From an independent thinker. Truth is this. It was a good debate. Not great - just good. McCain seemed nervous in the beginning - and he couldn't look Obama directly in the eyes all night. Obama seem a little angry. Obama also seemed to have a grasp of the foreign policy issues in hand and took the debate to McCain several times - perhaps as a balance for a lack of experience. McCain shined with countless talks of experience. In the end - it was McCain by a small margin - but Obama will claim victory because of the small margin in an area that he was not supposed to do well. For the future debates I believe it will help McCain because I think he held his own during the first 40 minutes of the "economy" portion of the debate. |
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Someone, anyone, please help alleviate my apparent ignorance ... when did the American Taxayer become responsible for financial aid to "investors abroad"? i.e., foreign investors and/or governments in our "free markets"? It is clear that our "free markets" are more open than our borders! This supposed bailout is not only aimed at American homeowners and/or American businesses, nor the idiocy of some American financial institutions, it is aimed at saving the asses of entities from around the globe that are not even Americans! - these are parties that for whatever reason, decided to invest in our "financial markets". How or why on God's green earth are we to be responsible for the forced "global economy" that we have now been quietly thrown into? I have never seen a referendum or opinion poll for which I have had an opportunity to vote on for any of the issues in our now globalized economy - this is yet another matter being thrust upon the American Taxpayer without any input from those who are paying the taxes - the last time I read the Constitution, which hasn't changed much, the federal government is not to be involved in the private sector of financial matters which are not related to the federal government! The hard working, law abiding, tax paying, community active legal citizens of America, are now responsible for saving the globe from the obvious corruption and manipulation of our financial markets? NO BAILOUT - LET ALL ENTITIES INVOLVED CRASH AND BURN, LET IT ALL FALL, ADDRESS THOSE RESPONSIBLE AND START ANEW - REBUILD SO EVERYTHING IS SET UP TO PREVENT THIS FROM EVER HAPPENING IN THE FUTURE!!!!!! |
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McCain's performance exceeded expectations. Calm, cool, collected, a wealth of experience and knowledge on many levels. Obama handled himself farily well, but clearly he was the political junior at this debate. We were struck by the disrespectful use of "John" by Sen Obama when addressing Sen McCain. Presidential Debates Scoreboard: McCain 1, Obama 0. |
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What are you waiting for? If you believe that strongly in freedom, you should have taken up arms already.
As far as people rising up against socialism, maybe, maybe not. I'd rather not risk it. People in Europe have learned to tolerate socialism. |
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Youre kiding?? Who will pick the judges you like? What in the character and past history of McCain makes you think he'll pick a judge that doesnt want to murder unborn children. The guy that Proclaims his record of reaching across the aisle. This is why we are in the shape we are in. You trust when that trust hasnt been earned. I know whats at stake, having said that, republicans nominated a man whos biggest proclimation latly is his ability to reach across the aisle. Watch what he does!
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You take food out of the mouths of my children, you take away my right to self determination, you force me to live a life style that I did not choose and cant live with. Finally, I have no options left but kill ( lets be real, aking up arms means killing someone, I dont hind behind sumantics) |
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I admit, there is the element of surprise. But it's a certainty who Obama will nominate. If you want to save unborn babies, you can't in good conscience vote for Obama or even refuse to vote. |
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"We said goodbye to the Constitution in 1865, if not before."
You did, did you? What are you, a freakin vampire? |
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My piont exactly, yould rather not risk it. |
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All your juvenile ranting and raving after tonight's debate can mean only one thing: desperation.
Pass the popcorn! |
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I know your trepidation, but with Szarkozy, Berlosonci and Merkle and basically the whole of Central and Eastern Europe going wholly against socialism, I would say that is an emphatic repudiation of socialism.
The Nordic states and Switzerland without the protection both economically and militarily couldn't hope to stand against anything--and their own socialism, to quote that dope Marx is doomed to fail. |
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I hate the thought, but in certain situations to save more lives some will perish. I know this very well as I've buried few of my friends already in the name of God and Country. |
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Folks, I would not pay any mind to the polls on the internet no matter where they are from. This happened during the Bush/Kerry race. The dem have a very active online army of poll trolls. Tens of thousands from KOS and Huffpo and the like. They pad the online polls. "WE WILL NOT FAULTER AND WE WILL NOT FAIL" Do not let this nonsense discourage you. This campaign of Obamassiah is about your will. They will crush your spirit first. It's all a mind campaign.... Just stay steady, keep fighting and working and talking to everyone. Oorah!! |
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...from the cry baby 'bama crib...
Are just The Mother Of All Ingrates taking Barry's backside out of his hands as he staggers home and giving it a piece or two of her own mind.
No baby! Please Michelle!
Thump! Smack! |
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That's an oddly utilitarian approach for someone as idealistic as you are...sacrifice babies now to save more in the future. It's isn't about the numbers. |
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The truth hurts, my friend. Mac is unstable. Barack is Presidential. We are spotting you 5-10% on the idiot racist vote, and we're still gonna win in a walk. |
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...plain and simple. Dense, organ injuring body blows like wa6tching "Raging Bull" in slow mothion.
Obama is lucky that there wasn't time for McCain to bring up that he would hope the democrats will not take to the microphone again and lie about what took place in Thursday's WH meeting.
Obama is Dorian Gray....and he is about to break the painting. That would be fitting as he is an empty siut.
Steve C Conlon
Dorain Gray at:
http://www.stevecconlon.com
P.S. The democrats worst day will be when the republicans stop playing by Marquess of Queensberry rules. |
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You are surely sure that Hugh didn't even watch the debate?
He barely watched the screen but listened while he took notes and blogged. I know....I spoke to him during it.
"I'm pretty sure"...what, based on the same type of criteria Obama uses to come to his decisions?
Call Hugh and ask. He has fun on-air with people like you and we find you amusing also...LOL
Steve C Conlon
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I think you are "special." |
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after months of sound bites and attack ads. This was an honest debate, and I thought Lehrer was extremely fair.
Obama sounded intelligent, and mostly avoided the uhs and stammering. In the end, though, he came across as wonkish and either idealistic or naive, depending on your point of view. As others have noted, his repeated agreement with McCain made him look like the student and McCain the teacher.
McCain outperformed expectations, in my opinion. His command of the facts on foreign policy was stellar. BTW, no one in the US can pronounce Acmawhathacllits name and no one cares! More importantly, he took the fight to Obama, producing visible frustration.
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Someone close to the McCain campaign:
RE: the democrat trope: "We must restore our standing in the world..."
Republicans could pick up a million votes if they would just stomp this old trope into the ground once and for all.
Restore America in whose eyes? This crusty moldy old trope is at least as old as Zbignew Bresensky...
First off America is the strongest military and monetary power in the world today. Hands down. Do democrats dispute this? Who's got all the active nuclear subs?
Next, common people from all over the world are dying to get into America. Mexicans pour into America by the MILLIONS. Does that mean anything to democrats? Not to mention my south Seattle neighborhood which hosts hundreds, perhaps thousands, of Muslim immigrants - they are starting businesses, they buy houses and send their kids to public school; and this is repeated in every sizeable city in America.
Any young person with guts and ambition - no matter what nationality - wants to get to America. Check the logs of American embassies world-wide; the wiating list is long, to say the least.
McCain should ask Obama point blank: in whose eyes has America fallen? Obama would be hard pressed to answer other than - Cairo's & Syria's editorial writers, French intellectuals, BBC jouranlists, African dictators, Italian Marxists snot-nosed German university students, foreign diplomats...in other words...who gives a fock about this bogus "issue?" |
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...saw a clear Obama win. Frank Lunz' focus group saw it 17-10, Obama. Cicero posted the links to the CBS and WSJ polls. You can read the CNN poll here:
http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/09/ini tial_polls_show_obama_winni.php
Why is this debate a clear win for Obama? Two key results in the CNN poll explain it:
Was more likeable: Obama 61%, McCain 26%
Based on what _______ said and did in tonight's debate, do you think he would be able to handle the job of president if he is elected?
Obama 69%-29%
McCain 68%-30%
The issues are all with the Democrats this year. It's shaping up as a wipeout in the Senate races: Both Udalls have moved out to decent leads, Merkeley is ahead of Gordon Smith, Kay Hagen is now slightly ahead of Dole. If Jean Shaheen and Al Franken win (both rces are within the margin of error), that's a 59-41 Senate.
So the only way McCain can bea Obama is by painting him as a bizzare leftist unable to handle the job. But guess what? The undecideds liked Obama and think he's capable. As these impressions firm up over the next few days, Obama will start building an unshakable lead.
PL and I both said months ao that this would be close until the debates eased the fears Independents had about Obama. We're looking at a repeat of 1980, with Obama as Reagan. McCain's monumental mistake in picking Palin will only make the margin wider.
Gonna be a long election night for the Republicans. And with Specter and Collins providing the filibuster-breaking votes, fundamental labor law reform is just around the corner. I can't wait! |
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Out west in Oakland, the pergressives went and elected the charismatic Ron Dellums to be mayor.
Dellums was an old Marxist pol who served in the Congress for years---a tediously anti-military, Casto-loving dullard who mirrored his constituents' left-wing vanities perfectly.
Two years after the town's Enlightened Ones voted him in, the murder rate in Oakland is skyrocketing and the town is near bankruptcy.
Not a peep is heard from ol' Ron, and the ultraleft San Francisco Daily Worker Chronicle reports that his wife is running things.
Here's my prediction: If The Metrosexual gets elected, he will disappear from view within a couple of months, frozen in indecision and hapless when it turns out that Marx doesn't have the answer to anything.
Michelle takes over.
Oy, oy, oy! OY! |
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Stailmate ensures more children die. Go ahead, vote every four years for the same people that keep it all hanging on the edge. They give you just enough hope keep you coming back and believing they are honest. How long have has that been going on? How many babies have perished while we voted, hoping for a judge of satisfactory disposition? Youre hasnt worked yet has it? By the way the overturning of a standing government requires a population not one person. |
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Obama is a STUDENT.
He STUDIES.
He LISTENS.
McCain is a VETERAN.
He FIGHTS
He UNDERSTANDS.
Obama is a TEACHER.
He LECTURES.
He SPEAKS.
McCain is a REFORMER.
He ACTS.
He PERSUADES.
Obama talks about what he WANTS TO DO.
BUT we have no evidence he can DO ANY OF IT!
McCain acts on what he says he WANTS TO DO
AND his voting record IS EVIDENCE...HE DOES IT!
I BELIEVE HE'LL FIGHT FOR ME.
I BELIEVE HE'LL TAKE A HIT FOR ME.
HIS ACTIONS, WOUNDS, AND VOTING RECORD PROVES IT.
OBAMA is nuanced and unproven.
MCCAIN is clear and proven.
I DON'T EXPECT PERFECTION, I SEEK AUTHENTICITY THAT I CAN DEPEND ON.
On another point, one commenter called McCain an "old rump".
I agree, he is older than Obama. But then that begged the question:
Does "old rump" TRUMP "kindergartner"?
The OLD RUMP has been around the block and few times and knows his way around. The KINDERGARTNER (if we're comparing "age") is not allowed to leave his yard because he might get lost.
I think old age has its advantages.
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Did you catch the McCain line "...I don't have a presidential seal yet. That Obama created his own seal (and quickly removed) is telling of the changes he is about. His presidential plane had a beautiful American flag on its tail which I am sure any patriotic person would have left in place.
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If this were a boxing match they would have called in after McCain nailed Obama on talks without no pre-conditions. |
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I am a Republican, but I am definitely not a McCain fan and I don't think that he should have chosen Palin as a "Running Mate"... Too "Gimicky" and not enough real experience...
However, Johnny Mac did when the Debate tonight, but by a "split decision"...
Obama scored first on the Economy... Mac accepted (through silence)Obama's lieing assertion that McCain supports a $300B Tax Break....NOT TRUE... He also accepted (through silence) BHO's assertion that 95% of Americans will receive Tax Breaks if Obama is elected... AGAIN NOT TRUE (as 40% currently don't pay taxes, O times a 20% or 30% reduction is still 0).
When Mac explained that American Companies/Businesses pay the second highest taxes in the world... which is TRUE... he allowed Obama to say that with tax loop holes and credits that these entities rank much further down the scale of countries with high business taxes... Mac was silent, but again, NOT TRUE....U.S. Businesses pay less as a percent to GNP than many other countries, but not as a percent to Profit... The reason that our companies do so well on the GNP comparison is because our businesses are more efficient and more productive...
McCain killed Obama on every aspect of Foreign Affairs... Be it Russia, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc.... Mac rang Obamas bell... But Mac did not score a knock out and thus, Obamanians can argue the point as to whether their guy won or not... |
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say something like "labor law reform," I reach for my gun, my wallet and my lovingly preserved copy of the Bill of Rights.
Just what are we talking about here? |
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..hands down. Oh wait, that was the Hugh drum beat 7 mos. ago.
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On the contrary, with Bush's nominees to the Supreme Court, we are quite a bit closer to seeing "Roe v. Wade" overturned. |
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McCain is a sorry soldier in the conservative movement. To the elites and evangelicals who brought us Mr. McCain. Thanks for supporting someone who does not understand that the real war is economic warfare and someone who cannot be elected President which will bring us Pres. Obama or put another way -
the Carter '70s for the next 4 yrs -
My friends - I reach across the isle to you tonight, because the primary process and republican elite and evangelicals supported such a poor candidate as Mr. McCain and brought the conservative movement to the precipice.
Can you say adios to freemarket principles? Horatio Alger and freedom loving individualism.
McCain, like Obama, have no clue about main street and how to start or run a business. They both know bureaucracies and commissions!!
If I hear about greed on wall street or regulatory reform from Gramps or his populist B.S. one more time, Johnny can kiss this vote goodbye.
It's Johnny's and his friends in Congress, and those ignorant people who borrowed too much money to buy things they could not afford who are the Greedy ones!
How much did Johnny get in contributions from Freddie and Fannie? On the dole just like the rest. Why don't you call out some people on the other side such as Dodd, Reid, and others who are the idiots who got us in this mess?
Oh that's right, Johnny's to da$$ busy blaming Republicans!!
You haven't got a clue about economics Johnny! And the Republicans who brought you as our choice will get what they voted for in the primaries - Pres Obama.
O.k. knowing that and that we are headed for a Jimmy Carter era rerun, I just have to figure out how to make money in a failing and ruined economy.
Thanks all you elite Republicans who brought us to this point - my friends.
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spotting us 10% on the "Racist Issue"???
Shouldn't that be the other way around??
Will McCain get 95% of the White Vote? I don't think so...
Will Mac get 95% of the Evangelical or Eligious Vote?? Don't think so.
Will McCain even gt 95% of the Armed Services Vote?? An honor, but again, I doubt it.
Let me see, will any candidate get 90% to 95% of a selected race or group vote?? Yes there his one who will probably get that.... and that is Mr. Barak Obama... He is projected to get 95% of the Black Vote...
NOW TELL ME, WHICH CANDIDATE ATTRACTS THE RACISTS...
I am soooo tired of stupid comments like the one that you wrote... Are you really that stupid? |
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Didnt Ron Paul have have the right anwsers to this debate? Wait, or was that Jefferson? Maybe Adams, or Washington? |
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to winning the debate is delusion. About the fourth or fifth time he said, "John is right" (and I agree with Linda P, who said that Sen. Obama was disrespectful by calling Sen. McCain by his first name), I cracked up. Then, McCain would describe how Obama doesn't understand this or that-- and proceed to easily refute Obama's point.
Honestly, had this been a high school debate, Obama would have lost.
Although I do not agree with McCain on every issue, he has the maturity, wisdom, experience and backbone to stand up to our adversaries and co-operate with our allies. And Obama looked absolutely peevish when McCain quoted his (O's) own words back to him, in making a point.
I came to the debate holding my breath. But McCain trounced Obama completely. |
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Ron Paul? I think you need to get some sleep. |
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to a labor lawyer every nail is a broken contract...or something like that...
my dear, McCain does not have to do any painting at all..it's been Obama's constant travail to unpaint or disguise the leftist kook colors he has adorned himself with since age, oh, say 21.
He has the mind of dimly bright socialist grad student who has never had to ply his ideas outside a grad school seminar room. Mainstream America is mildly curious about everything (contrary to the democrats view of them as stupid) so they are giving grad school bull session socialism a listen to.
They'll reject it of course.
(Back to the gallows of labor law reform with you!)
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My point exactly, again. You are "closer" but you arent there. The definition of insanity would apply here. The first thing that one must realize is that these two parties are now the same. Talk and fact are very different. The more one listens to the "talk' the less one sees the fact. Who is presiding over the biggest expansion of government? Both parties!!! No matter who has a majority or sits in the oval office government gets more and more powerful. They love the fact that Americans are so easily distracted with their theatrics. While they entertain they steal your freedom. |
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Go to school, your missed your history class |
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Acorn socialist--you don't get a job in Acorn without being one or sympathetic to same: Obama.
Change, nope, revolution, yes: Obama. If you despise the American Revolution, the experiment with Liberty and Freedom then you are lib pat and lab law, but if you despise feudalism, plantationism, and the reactionary response that is Marx and every dead end street of socialisms thereafter then you will not only vote against Obama but throw the Dems out of office. |
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has already been "socialized" in the sense of nodding their heads to what Obama says.
The majority of blacks are a lost cause. Even though Demo policies have destroyed the black family (almost 70% bastardy,30-plus% abortion rate and leftist-run public schools that are sh**holes), blacks will walk lock-step into the polls and vote for a an upper middle-class twit whose biggest qualification is his skin color.
Upper middle-class whites will vote for Obama because he agrees that all of us are too helpless to fend for ourselves with basic life issues and need Enlightened Ones to rescue us, courtesy of confiscatory tax rates on people who create wealth.
Put those two groups together and you've got a large voting bloc---possibly large enough to deliver us into the enlightened hands of a man whose best friends are racists, America haters and Chicago thugs.
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McCain did get a cute line off about Presidential seals. Then again, he referred to an earmark to study the DNA of bears in Montana. An intruiging reference, since a certain Alaska Governor supported an earmark to study the DNA of- you got it- seals.
I wonder if that Governor will get a chance to explain her obvious disagreement with McCain over earmarks for animal studies? Like, maybe next Thursday? When she actually has to get out from the cocoon whe's been hiding in? Maybe a seal will end up being a memorable part of this campaign after all.:) |
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a cocoon where a candidate for high public office who is supposedly one of the smartest, ablest men in the country, declares that a famous president was seen on TV a.) four years before he was president and b.) 10 years before TV became widely available?
Really, I'm interested in how you would describe it. |
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Trite--but why don't you explain your animosity to freedom, why exactly do you support plantationism? |
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Someone get out the paddles.
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Lib law doesnt like freedom for the same reasons liberals dont like freedom. Personal responsibility, self control, morality, sacrifice, self reliance. Hell the list can go on, to put it in simple terms think of all the issues that children dont have the cognitive ability to grasp and youve outline the liberal character. |
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I thought the debate was a draw (neither side screwed up badly, which is all that matters right now), though am pleasantly surprised that McCain is winning by a 2 to 1 margin on Drudge regarding who they thought won the debate. McCain missed a couple of obvious points to hit Obama hard--on Iran: I would've liked to have seen McCain ask Obama what he thinks of Ahmadinajed's endorsement of his candidacy, for starters...McCain says the word bi-partisan and I cringe. I don't give a rats backside about bi-partisanship. The Democrats have shown they can be trusted with nothing and are incompetent with everything. More conservatism Mr McCain, and less bi-partisanship please.
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because he heard white girls from Kansas were easy. obambi's, proof of that.
This was a take the kid to the woodshed, and spank his bottom, till it bled, debate. I listened to most of this on the radio, and it sounded like obambi was "Ned and the first reader", it was a rout!! You could hear, obambi getting rattled, over the radio. What i want to know is how did this doofus get into Harvard. This guy's got NO gravitas, NONE!! |
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To envelop in or as if in a cocoon, as for protection from a harsh or unfriendly environment.
v.intr.
To retreat as if into a cocoon, as for security from a harsh or unfriendly environment
Does that sound like the Democratic candidate who's out there every day, taking questions from all comers, including hostile sources to Democrats such as Fox?
Or does it sound like the Republican candidate for Vice-President, whsoe handlers are so terrified of her putting her foot in her mouth that they keep her away from all but a select handful of sources- and even on those few occasions, she's proved so inept that conservative columnists such as Kathleen Parker are begging her to step aside?
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=MDZiMDhjYTU1NmI5Y2MwZj g2MWNiMWMyYTUxZDkwNTE=
That's what I thought.
But what do I know, I hate freedom:) |
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I come back here for he first time in a month and immediately am presented with another of your racist rants.
Yeah, dose nigras sho' nuff love de white women.
Good to see some things don't change.:) |
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Think about it folks...
This debate was supposed to be McCain's strongest suit (foreign policy). McCain should've swept Obama. He didn't. Obama definitely held his own throughout. Some people are saying it was a draw or a slight win for McCain. Most are saying that Obama won. A very few are saying that McCain won. That said, Obama wins, because he stood strong against McCain in "his own" foreign policy debate.
Poor McCain sounded old and shot himself in the foot (again) by continuously mentioning his 26-odd years in office. What happened to his "Change" mantra of two weeks ago? He sounds like the same "good 'old boys" that he's trying to buck. Inconsistent. "Straight Talk", yeah about as "straight" as Clay Aiken.
Obama won. Next debate.
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Jess writes:
"Obama won either way...
"This debate was supposed to be McCain's strongest suit (foreign policy). McCain should've swept Obama. He didn't. Obama definitely held his own throughout."
When TV broadcasting switches over to HD next February, treat yourself to a better television. You obviously did not clearly see the debate.
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The story Townhall wants to ignore is how McCain couldn't even look Obama in the eye, but kept his side to him. Obama looked directly at McCain.
That's how McCain will run the country. His way. And without looking people in the eyes.
And tell me how crazy this sentence is:
"When I am President I will decide where and to whom I will talk if I think it will further the safety of the American people."
That was Obama's truth to McCain's silly Iran policy. |
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uh uh eh eh uh
One thing that got under Hussein's skin was when McCain said that he didn't have his own presidential seal like Hussein. BHO was visibly rattled. If there was ever an "Empty Suit" it is
Barack Hussein Obama. |
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"His presidential plane had a beautiful American flag on its tail which I am sure any patriotic person would have left in place." - The problem is that flag graphic on the tail is copyrighted by the previous owners of the plane. Unlike McCain, Obama seems to respect other people's intellectual property. Keep spreading the lies...
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Now that wasn't nice or a big boo boo on your part, One of the things Obammi is running on is his support of Gay people. Did you just slam one of Obammi's Agenda's?
I finally have the definition of C H A N G E
Come Help A NoBo Get Elected!
Poor McCain sounded old and shot himself in the foot (again) by continuously mentioning his 26-odd years in office. What happened to his "Change" mantra of two weeks ago? He sounds like the same "good 'old boys" that he's trying to buck. Inconsistent. "Straight Talk", yeah about as "straight" as Clay Aiken.
Obama won. Next debate.
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It is evident that Obama needs a few more days if not weeks in a hotel going over foreign policy.
Howeve,maybe they should back up first and do a quick lesson on how many states there are in the US before they delve into the rest of the world. |
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This is what I have learned about Obama these last few months. He is all about one person- HIMSELF!!!!!
Sorry I do not want a president who is more intersted in protecting his arse than the people he is suppose to serve. |
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McCain won this debate by far,
I dont know what you people watched last night, Obama sounded like a young school kid,
he said your right John,
which he should of said Senator McCain,
Obama has a problem with calling people by first names,
like he's been around for a while,
get over yourself Obama,
eight times he said, your right John,
because McCain is right,
a true American. |
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Yes, McCain came out of the gates a little shaky no doubt. But after that initial round McCain mopped up Obama on the economy and on foreign affairs for the rest of the night! No contest, McCain won this bigtime! The only thing missing was a major Obama gaffe sound bite (although not remembering the name of the soldier on his bracelet was pretty bad; misrepresenting Kissinger pretty bad; and he obviously was getting flustered through the night - McCain under his skin) McCain showed a mastery of the foreign affairs subject matter, Obama looked like he studied his debate notes well.
I think McCain drove home the message that Obama "doesn't understand", he's "naive" and "dangerous." |
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McCain Afraid?
I am pasting a post from someone who judges debates.
white_salamander writes: Friday, September, 26, 2008 11:26 PM
To The Architect
I know what you are saying about McCain not looking at Obama. However, it is actually proper debate etiquette to debate your opponent through the moderator and not turn and face them. Jim was wrong in asking them to answer each other directly. Obama's staring at and talking directly to McCain made Obama look argumentative and like high school debate novice. I judge collegiate debate and can say on a competitive debate ballot Obama would receive very low points for style.
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with my brief verdict posted last night...With a few side note observations.**
1.)After my first good, thorough night's sleep in a few weeks, McCain's dominance of the last 35-40 minutes of the debate seems clearer. The reason is substance, toughness, clarity about our mission & duty, what's at stake and the Absolute Necessity to remain on the Offense with our enemies. 2.)Barack stuck pretty much to his 'post-patriotic' and 'post-responsible' loyalty to his Left Base (and, his own core views of shrinking America's influence & presence in the world..), but managed to deliver on this weakness in a fairly non-weak way. But, it's tepid stuff, dressed up in a shiny, slick presentable package. There is NO passionate Love of Country from this Guy. In fact, there's NO Passion of any kind. John, whether underspoken(as in this appearance)or more outwardly obvious, radiates Love of Country, Duty & Honor. Obama seems uncomfortable with such concepts and doesn't give off ANY impression of feeling them. IMPORTANT. (Con't Later..)
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**Kingy & JimBob...Please, Guys, you'll ruin my rep around here. This stuff is mere pamphleteering and a nice diversion with some, generally, nice folks. Maybe once in 5 or 6 weeks I'll get serious.** |
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do some *VIGFM with my Homie Moms & kiddies. BEST thing last night was our Rays clinching the AL East. Little, low-payroll Rascals are wonderful!!
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...most of us have known for some time.
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You asked me a question (12:07 AM; "big smoke") about Kissinger, which I commented about last night.
Indeed, he has repudiated Obama's thrice mentioning of Mr. K's supposedly saying to Mr. Obama that he was in support of meeting with Ackmadwackjob under no-conditions scenario.
Magua, here is Henry Kissingers response:
Henry Kissinger believes Barack Obama misstated his views on diplomacy with US adversaries and is not happy about being mischaracterized. He says: “Senator McCain is right. I would not recommend the next President of the United States engage in talks with Iran at the Presidential level. My views on this issue are entirely compatible with the views of my friend Senator John McCain. We do not agree on everything, but we do agree that any negotiations with Iran must be geared to reality.”
One source
http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2008/09/tws_exc lusive_kissinger_unhapp.asp
Obama lying about this should not be ignored
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I found the debate fascinating from start to finish. I tried to watch it with as open a mind as I could muster. Objectivity is impossible for anyone, and that's an understatement, but I made an eensy-weensy stab at it, at least.
I thought Obama did pretty well; he's obviously a quick study, like a very bright college kid who can cram for an exam and then spit out the answers on cue. I thought he was an excellent speaker, and I was not at all distracted by the "ums" and "ahs" (which were not that numerous anyway). I also thought McCain should have been stronger on the financial crisis (but more on that later).
However, I also thought that McCain dominated the entire segment on foreign policy. My observations, for what they're worth:
** On foreign policy, again, Obama came across like the college kid who has crammed for the exam -- he had the superficial acquaintance with the data that you'd expect from someone who'd just crash-memorized a textbook. McCain, OTOH, exhibited the easy, relaxed familiarity with the facts, the command of the subject, that you associate with someone who has actually **lived** this stuff for years upon years. Obama would mention some geopolitical hotspot, and McCain would come back with, "When I visited there and met with so-and-so..." It made Obama look like a raw rookie in comparison.
** As others have noted, McCain made mincemeat of Obama on the meeting-with-bad-guys issue, the surge, and other topics where he not only *knows* more than the Lightworker; he also has the facts and history on his side.
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** Face Language: McCain smiled throughout the debate, even when Obama was saying something stupid or lying through his teeth. Obama frequently scowled, looked mean, smirked sarcastically, and shifted around uncomfortably (maybe he needed a cigarette? ;-)). The best word I can find to describe Obama's demeanor is "irritable." He seemed *extremely* irritable. He kept trying to interrupt, even when McCain had barely started to speak; often he did succeed in rudely interrupting, like a petulant schoolboy who hasn't learned yet how to handle himself in an adult conversation. Even when Obama did not succeed in interrupting, he used body language (finger raised, scowls and smirks, nervous jerky movements) that betrayed his irritability and petulance. In short, he came across as very unpresidential. We keep hearing about McCain's infamous temper, but I saw none of that last night. Rather, McCain kept his cool, and Obama didn't. I am not saying that as a partisan, but as a woman who picks up on body langauge. Obama's irritability was actually making me uncomfortable!
** Obama also came across as rehearsed and artificial. Yes, he is an excellent orator, but he lacks warmth, spontaneity, and genuineness. This is the first time I've ever watched him speak at this length in public, and I was impressed yet put off. There was lots of glibness there, but there was very little *there* there. You could tell that he was spouting carefully rehearsed talking points. McCain, OTOH, exuded authenticity. Even his more slowly paced delivery seemed more genuine and sincere. He also came across as humble, while the Obamessiah displayed arrogance.
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** Obama really slipped up when he dissed America at the end. Here he is supposedly playing to the Great American Middle...does he think he's gonna win their hearts and minds by telling them that America stinks? That doesn't play very well among swing voters, even in Peoria. ;-) It was a huge miscalculation. Throughout the rest of the debate, Obama managed to mask or at least mute his leftist radicalism; he was obviously trying to convince the indies that he's waaaay more moderate than he actually is. But, right there at the end, he slipped up and showed his Blame-America-First true colors. Big, big mistake. It's gonna cost him. The 527s should have a field day, LOL.
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P.S. OK, why wasn't McCain more aggressive, at the beginning of the debate, re the financial crisis and the Democrats' role therein? Here's my take, courtesy of my husband: I think McCain has to be careful not to diss his Democrat allies right now. It seems the Dem-supported bailout plan is a pork-stuffed mess; McCain is taking the lead in brokering a much better deal, but he needs to get like-minded Dems on board with the House GOP to get it through. He's in the middle of very delicate negotiations, and he can't jeopardizing them by playing the blame game right now. Soooo...he went easy on the Dems, he pulled his punches, and that seems disappointing to his supporters in the short run. But, if McCain can succeed in helping to push through a strong bipartisan bailout plan, then that's a HUGE plus for McCain (and for us taxpayers). Those are the stakes, and McCain knows exactly what he's doing. John McBrilliant strikes again.
BTW...I hear Obama made an absolute mess of *his* attempts to get a bailout deal through. Unfit to lead: That's the Obamessiah.
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Look - we all watch H&C. We all know what Morris and Gingrich think. His first words should have been, 'I disagree with the plan.' He blew it big time.
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McCain ate Barry's lunch. All these many months to prepare and he still just recites talking points? |
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I have a powerful dislike for Obama - but he didn't get his lunch eaten. McCain delivered a B performance while holding A+ material in his pocket. |
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It may be worth exactly what you have paid for it.
McCain needs to get off this bipartisan crap now and not bring it up again! As a conservative I don’t give rat’s a$$ about reaching across the aisle. It is about winning and imposing your will on the losers…just like the Democrats. Also do not mention Eighteen billion dollars worth of earmarks when you have a 700 billion dollar financial crisis entirely of the Democrat's making. He acts like he doesn't have the killer instinct to go for the jugular because they are his friends. To quote Roman Maroni this is Fargin War!
Obama said McCain things the market will fix everything. McCain needs to say that Obama thinks government is the end all. He needs to point out how the government has the Midas touch in reverse on everything it touches with the exception of the military.
I think McCain needs to hit this Marxist view Obama for the economy.
McCain needs to point out where Obama was when the war on terror started and hit his associations pointing out his consistent bad judgment.
McCain needs to move more toward the conservatives like at Saddleback and the convention on this financial business.
McCain needs to stop this talk of reaching across the aisle. It makes him look like Naive old fool because the Demorats may like meeting with him at Blacky's Steak House for a drink after their feverish work on the Senate floor. However, they have no regard for him in the political arena. They seek to defeat him and he still wants to be buddies with them and that is dangerous and wrong. He needs to stop trying to get along with these people because they want to destroy him. You cannot make nice with them. They seek domination over you and you can succumb or dominate over them. |
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I don't dislike him as much as I distrust him and his policies. He is a Marxist pure and simple and would ruin the economy for at least a generation.
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McCain won but he needs to hit Obama hard and keep hitting.
Iraq: Why doesn't McCain say that Obama was wrong for not wanting to go into Iraq? Obama went on a site seeing tour a few weeks ago to Iraq, right? He goes to Iraq and meets with the democratically elected Prime Minister of Iraq. He shakes hands with the man while the cameras are shooting away. If it wasn't for the decision to liberate the place, Obama could never have gone to Iraq to meet the duly elected Prime Minister. In fact, if Obama had his way, there would be no democratically elected leader in Iraq? McCain needs to hit him and keep hitting him. |
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to Patriotic Liberal:
You're mouthing the mantra of the liberal MSM, but ordinary Americans watching only saw spittle on Obama's lips. A drop was there for 3/4 of the debate, and it was very distracting.
McCain was reserved when he needed to be and passionate when that was called for. Despite Obama's needling, McCain remained gentlemanly. Obama put on the mask of politeness, but I agree with Linda P. that he disrespectfully called Senator McCain "John." He disrespected the American people with his lies and with his closing comment about how America has lost its greatness due to the past 8 years. Come on, Barack, do you think this country is so fragile that one president's administration can undo it?
The liberal mindset that the Presidency is all-powerful (which is what they really wish) comes through every time they blame President Bush for a hurricane (he's God, you know, and can change the weather), a natural disaster, a 9-11 attack, a war in Iraq (which Congress voted for, including most Dems), not finding WMDs (but we did find caches of other massively destructive weapons, including chemical, though they are classified by the Dems as WMDS), and even a bad hair day! |
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..appeared to have a severe anger tick when trying to pronounce Ahmadinejad's name. No big deal. But revealing. An angry guy with a temper, even at his age, 72. I believe I want an even-tempered leader in office. Barack will do just fine.. |
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....what's new.
The whole "My father is from Kenya...came to America for Education...now America is so terrible...foreigners don't want to come here" statement was telling and not true.
I am so tired of Obama running down America. First, he father was a less than impressive man, and we have plenty of allure for foreigners being educated here. (1.2M)
Second, It exposed Obama again as non-patriotic and rhetoric driven for his own opportunity. Third, Obama came off again as thinking he is the Messiah. Obama has no track record as being able to pull off change.(Jesus had a track record)
Just because he can fill a stadium for a speech, does not convert to someone accomplished. He has no track record of taking on a project from beginning to end. He jumps on and off the train at his convenience, so he can say he was there.
The Chicago neighborhood his is so proud to have been a community organizer in is a slum. I went back and look at the crime rates, forclosures, birthrates per family, and poverty level during his time there and 5 years past. I also looked at last year.
Obama did not do enough to make an impact. The crime rates highest in all of Chicago then and now, foreclosures; not very many homes, mostly public housing 45%, birthrates with families on welfare, 4.5 children; families on wellfare 89%.
Many of the public housing was built by Tony Rezko and most have been boarded up, from lack of up keep.
Now, even I do not blame Obama for all Chicago southside doom, but I do blame him for claiming accomplishment.
Now he claims he warned about the economic crisis, PLEASE. I do not believe he wrote a letter, but if he did and did nothing more, that's no leader. McCain sponsored a bill 2005, the dems said no. Bush has tried to pass 7 bills to avert crisis, dems said no. While encouraging Fannie and Freddie to give more money to unqualified buyers.
HE IS ALL FLUFF AND LIES, sad so many people are desparate to hear it.
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Kuddos to your comments.. well observed, well said! |
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Never heard that about the flag on Obama's airplane before. But, if true, what he did is still indication of a BIG "Me First!" ego. Otherwise, why didn't he simply have another American Flag painted on the tail. Lots of hungry artists running loose as are a number of old sailors well versed in painting such things as flags.
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is like one of those time bombs they discover just in time. Cut the red or the blue wire? Cut the wrong one, BOOM. Cut the right one, nothing happens.
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Both candidates were solid last night. McCain was certainly stronger on foreign policy. But with the economy, I keep waiting for McCain to pull the legs out from Obama's "tax cuts for 95%". The middle class wants, and I want to hear this from McCain:
"Now, Barack Obama's tax cuts may save you $1,000. It's true. But how far will $1,000 go when you don't have a job. How for will $1,000 go when the business you worked for downsizes; the company you worked for moves overseas; the factory you worked for shuts down. All because of the tax burdens they face. $1,000 is great, but it's no annual salary.
Barack Obama wants to give you a handout, I want to give you a hand, to a better way of life. When businesses flourish because of lower taxes, no longer are you competing for the few jobs available, but the jobs are now competing for you; because you are hardworking, innovative, and valuable. And, you'll be rewarded for your labor.
$1,000 a year is okay, but how much better are opportunities for $1,000 more a month."
I think this would cut the legs out from Obama's tax cuts for the 95% and would show McCain does care for the middle class. Right now, I think that Obama's tax cuts for most Americans is what is most appealing. People feel Obama understands them. Let them see that Obama understands them, and wants them to stay right where they are, so they have to keep coming back to him for more.
For me, and I think for my parents (26 and late 40's respectively) and all like us, if we heard that McCain would see the undecided won to him.
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I think McCain won the debate by a small margin. Obama looked angry most of the time. I think he was trying to get McCain angry and was upset that he couldn't get McCain to react. I do worry about the election. Obama is so far to the left (which is so close if not socialism). |
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were pretty well memorized and delivered. Good thing they went ahead with the debate so he didn't have to do that all over again.
And he got in a couple of good lines between his teenage snitfaced desire to interrupt.
It matters not what most of us here think- nothing happened (or is likely) to change most of our minds. I wonder what the people who have only just now engaged and started to pay attention thought?
Obama did a good job of hiding his real stances, as well as his real lacks and shortcomings so they might be fooled.
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Dudley,
This one if for you. In my opinion, Senator McCain was not angry that he had a brief problem pronouncing the name. He appeared to be more frustrated than anything else. I get frustrated too when it happens to me. |
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again when he was talking about his opposition to the war in Iraq (when he was still in the state legislature and therefore not having to cast a vote).
I don't doubt that he was against the war, but did he REALLY say at the time that it was because he questioned the intelligence? Did he REALLY ask about an exit strategy? Did he really question WMD's? Did he really say it would dilute the war in afghanistan??
Did he really voice all those things at the time? Or is he just now using those things to prop up his anti-war stance at the time?
One of his fans: prove he said all those things AT THE TIME.
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Magua –
(1) Republicans like Phil Gramm eliminated adequate oversight and caused the subprime mortgage mess. It doesn’t matter how much Dems supported low income loans: those aren’t necessarily subprime! (Do a little homework.)
(2) If private enterprise is so competent, how’d those private, no-bid contractors in Iraq – Halliburton, KBR, etc – cross connect sewage and electrical lines, so light fixtures filled with s**t and soldiers were electrocuted in showers?
(3) When has Obama mentioned dialectic materialism, proletariat, wasting of the state, … ? You may think it’s effective to call liberals Marxists, but you merely reveal your ignorance.
Jeff –
(1) Who promoted the “unitary executive” so feverishly for eight years? That’s Cheney’s grand illusion and David Addington’s; but you’d have to pay attention to facts to know that. Then you’d miss Rush.
(2) No one blamed Bush for 9-11 or Katrina, just for failing to anticipate and deal with them. He spent the first ten minutes of 9-11 sitting in an elementary school, then cowered in Airforce One the rest of the day. While people died in New Orleans, he celebrated McCain’s birthday at an Arizona airstrip. The scary part is that McCain might be worse, if possible!
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(1) You’ve clearly never run a business or you’d know the biggest expense is personnel. Companies move overseas to find poor people who’ll work for slave wages. Stop parroting right wing propaganda and think for yourself. You might like it. Here’s a challenge: find a documented case of a thriving business that failed just because of taxes.
(2) McCain hasn’t held a real job in his life. After ‘Nam, he dumped his wife (disfigured in a car accident) and kids, found a rich heiress with a politically connected dad, then lived on Easy Street: million dollar homes, a dozen cars, private jet, $500 Italian shoes … Think he gives a damn about you and the rest of the proles? You’ve lost your mind! With Phil Gramm and other Washington fat cats, he’s done nothing but pull the ladder up after himself: check out the bankruptcy bill! He wants to privatize Social Security (good for him, bad for you), health care (ditto), education (ditto) and that little speech he gave last night about vets was the most sickening bunch of lies I’ve ever heard. Do the research.
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Of course you saw a McCain victory. I'm sure at Allan Colmes' blog he saw it the other way.
I said last night the winner was obvious, though I'll be voting for McCain. We live in a different world that judges things differently than before. All the style points went to Obama, which trumped ALL of McCain's experience and real accomplishments.
It does not bode well for the US that style so thoroughly trumps substance. But we'll get what we deserve...and live with the consequences. |
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where ya been for that month, representing some union thugs, in their attempted, intimidation. How are you payed, through the extraction of dues, from the unsuspecting. Oh, how do you feel about the right to vote in private, or do you as well as the goons that you so gladly represent, believe that the vote should be in front of the head goon. Notice, NO question mark, after that last sentence, of course you believe that the goons have every right to intimidate.
Lest there be any doubt, i consider unions, the most vile of all groups or organizations. I have a very personal story, and is the reason for my utter contempt and revulsion of them, and i find your advocacy particularly revolting and disgusting.
I could careless, what you may find as, "racist", does a day go by, that you don't accuse someone of it? Your sanctimonious attitude and your feigned disgust is only surpassed by your extreme, self-righteousness, which is the hallmark of you and the left. |
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seems your rather fond of polls, well here is one for ya'. NO candidate for POTUS has EVER won, without securing a majority of the white male vote, NEVER. As we speak, double b obambi, is down, 19% in that demographic. Certainly, i tread lightly, because just the mention of this, I'm sure, will invoke the charge of racism from you. But, unless obambi can turn this around, he has, NO CHANCE!!
Carter and Clinton were able to achieve that majority, but, there is NO way for double b, to do it. To be honest, i believe that this will be a landslide, a "Gipper" type, landslide at that! |
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Kudos to you, too! And thanks so much. Your comments are great, and the facts you marshal are very powerful.
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Opposing the war as an IL state senator is really the hallmark of BO's credentials as one with great foresight and knowledge about what should be done in this world. Did he give a great speech on the floor of the IL state senate opposing the war. How about an opinion piece in the Chicago Tribune listing all his reasons for opposing the war? He didn't do either otherwise we would hear about the same night and day! His Monday morning quarterbacking is nothing but BS from the great BO!
Why doesn't McCain call BO on his incessant calls for investment in education? BO thinks investment in education consists of a 50% pay raise for members of teacher's unions who make up the biggest special interest group in the country.
The DC schools serve as the poster child for the Dems investment in education. The highest per capita spending in the country with the worst results. This in BO's judgement is what investment in education can bring. BO and the Dems are shills for teacher's unions. McCain and the Repubs need to be shouting this at every turn.
BO seems to think the line McCain-Bush is a winner. Just a couple of retorts. How about BO-Pelosi the woman who is going to save the planet by stopping any offshore oil drilling. BO-mentor Wright the blacks answer to the KKK. BO-Ayers who did blow up enough stuff in the 70's. McCain has a clear record of opposing Bush much more than BO opposed any of these people in fact has BO ever said in clear English where he thinks these @holes are wrong, wrong, wrong or did he just leave it at any mention of these people is a "distraction." |
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Obama is a liar and we all know it,even you left wing fools , you just dont care.First ,IF ANY repub was really responsible for the subprime crap, we would hear dems demanding his head, so please just stop, we know it was dems that created this problem and then blocked every attempt by repubs to stop it so again PLEASE , you just show your lack of ant sense at all when you speak.As for unions, I belonged to one for 31 years, and they are crap. They let jobs in california be taken by non union workers and illegal aliens so PLEASE sell this crap on the kos.My father was a business agent and when he left he was so tired of the lies and false promises and politics of it all.They dont protect jobs the cost them by ruining companies and cheating members, and are just crooks. |
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And how did you all respond to McCain's statement, "I will take care of veterans".
Uh, John, they don't need taking care of, least of all by you. This is basically what happens everytime socialism creeps into something...the preoccupation for taking care of helpless people can't be resisted. And eventually those people actually become dependent on "being taken care of".
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Do you money grabbing think only of youselves repubs actually believe McStain can stay awake long enough to be the president. Pull your lips over your head and swallow. Bush, Chaney, McStain and friends have all but bankrupted the country by allowing large companies to go about screwing the people unregulated, unchecked and without reprisal. Get ready several of the guilty repubs will go to jail and not collect $200. |
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I can't believe McCain didn't attach Obama on the $700 Billion Bailout. McCain had a chance to completely break free of any further ties with President Bush by not supporting the president and the Democratic bailout plan and forcing the them to accept the Conservative Republican loan proposal, causing the companies to be responsible for their bad loans. By the way, How many Illegal aliens were going to get bailed out?
Why did McCain ask Barak about Jim Johnson or Raines who are on his Economic Team?
Why didn't McCain press the issue that in 1977 former President Carter signed into law, loosening the restrictions for lower income families to get affordable housing, later in 1995 Clinton enforced that law by using Janet Reno to come down hard on the Loaning Institutions?
Why didn't McCain press ask Barak to join him in calling for criminal investigations into Senator Chris Dodd, who was Number One on the list of contributions from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac while Barak was Number Two. Barney Frank and Senator Schumer were also on the list to be investigated.
McCain had such a Great Opportunity to show the world the Real Barak Obama and the Democratic Party. Once again McCain grabs Defeat from the Jaws of Victory.
Senator McCain, does that mean you didn't bring these items up because you are going to support the Bush, Democratic Party Bailout? If yes you deserve to lose because your aren't the Maverick you proclaim, simply an Establishment Republican who don't give a Damn about us little guys. |
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McCain showed that he is what you want in a president....someone you might not necessarily like all that much, but who can clearly get the job done and be counted on to jump in the foxhole with you and share his ammo.
Obama had a great debate too. He showed exactly who he is. He is a liar, a coeard, an American hater, and trying to fill a suit that remains stained and empty.
The choice is clear. As HH said, "If you vote for Obama you are a dummy."
I'll go further in the choices. If you vote for Obama you have the following to fit under:
1- you are a dummy (as HH stated)
2- you are mentally unsound
3- you would read Karl Marx and think his ideas are great (which is how Obama feels)
4- you are greedy and think you'll get something from someone else.
5 - (open for suggestions)
Steve C Conlon
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That they are saying to everyone, I am 17, I have a bad case of acne, nobody will be my friend, I barely know how to convey a thought and have no clue about what went on to cause the Financial Fiasco we now face...
This is probably hard for you, but do a little research... It won't take much effort (I Promise) and you will see that the Clinton Administration pushed the legislation through that REQUIRED financial institutions to give loans to people that simply could not afford to pay them back.... In fact Clinton's Admin gave birth to Fannie May and Freddie Mac and Clinton appointed their CEOs (who were people that worked for him on Budgets in the White House)... In addition, Clinton's AG threatened prosecution against Lenders who failed to comply with the Requirements to loan to "Sub-Prime Applicants"....
Next time you get on here, try not to sound so stupid and do a little homework. |
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I know we all want to tow the party line but no one could actually believe McCain prevailed in this debate. Having just returned to my Florida home, I was excited to watch the debate. I often travel for my work and had made certain the debate would be recorded. I had been on Townhall and other favorite sites that unfortunately gave me an obsurd view on the debate. I had heard that Gov. Palin had declined to speak after the debate but didn't think much of it until I watched it. To be completely honest I have lost faith in McCain. It would help if Palin would forfeit her opportunity for the sake of the party but at this point I can't say that would completely change my mind. Not feeling very confident about my party these days. |
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just now on meet the press, axlerod, obamas head guysaid when talking about tax cuts that obama wrote the earned income legislation, wow,doesnt any one realise that that isnt a tax cut its welfare.My son paid in about $3,000 last year and got back nearly $9,000, how is that possible, its possible because obama and the dems dont understand "what is really is".A tax cut should go to those who actually pay taxes.This is not a tax cut, its taking from one to give to another, and if the government doesnt need what you pay in withholdings they should return it to you, not to my son.When will we wake up and end this crap, dems need to be out of congress and obama needs to go back to community organizing, well all be better off. |
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What is true is no matter what obama wants to say, dems and repubs BOTH voted to give bush authority,period. and there is a war,you cant erase that and its EASY to day I wouldnt have done it,the only question is how to handle it now, and obama is WRONG,alquida was in iraq, and they have lost there, so now their back fighting in afganistan, what he doesnt seem to GET is its a whole lot better fighting them there then in IRAQ, and a whole lot better then fighting them here,maybe if he went there or held a meeting on it in his commity, and saw pictures of the area that they have to live in and fight in as opposed to either bagdad or ny, maybe he would think we are better fighting them there, but them reality doesnt seem to enter into his mind so I doubt it. |
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maybe hed rather we fight them in the slums of chicago which he totally failed to help in his YEARS as an organizer,they have alot of guns,he didnt get rid of them there at all, just wants to get rid of them in rural america, where we cling to them, maybe we cling to them for protection from the overflow of his failure in the "hood".mccain is absolutely right OBAMA DOESNT GET IT AT ALL. |
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...from Diane just north of Winston-Salem: Kudos!!
How is the Charlotte area looking? Our neck of the woods is wall-to-wall McCain/Palin signs. The only Obama signs are the ones stuck up at intersections by the Dim Party. If that's "NC in play," then I'd hate to see NC in da Tank. LOL!!! |
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We agree entirely. You made my point about Obama's so-called reasons for opposing the war.
And since you brought up education, you might be interested to know that while serving on that (Annenburg) board with Ayers, they managed to fund special charter schools of some kind.
In one school, the pledge of allegiance was changed by one teacher to pledge allegiance to the WORLD.
One of the schools cancelled all of the traditional American holidays, and observe those that the UN observes.
Ayers is big on grabbing hold of the education system. He knows that is the way to grab hold of the country.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122212856075765367.html?mod =djemEditorialPage |
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The link you sent is a wonderful speech, but I have my doubts about whether he really gave it. It doesn't appear on any reputable source.
I'm sorry, but it smacks of something someone wrote recently and posted. You can do that on the internet, you know.
Sorry, not buyin'.
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Obama sounded like much of what I have heard, seen, and read on the "financial bailout": glowing generalities and no clear facts, plans, specifics. etc. Simple trust me I will do the right things right! I am retired now, but spent virtually all of my career as an auditor (CPA & CIA). I dealt in supportable facts, not descriptive hyperbole! You can take if from me, that is all Obama provided! This scares the heck out of me - and you too - I hope! |
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During the debate Obama was still trying to stick it to the small or little man , He wants Gov. in every aspect of your life , He is a socialist and thats all there is to it . |
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"Never heard that about the flag on Obama's airplane before." - Why not? It's pretty common knowledge out in the real world.
"But, if true, what he did is still indication of a BIG "Me First!" ego. - Really? Avioding a potential lawsuit is egotistical?
"Otherwise, why didn't he simply have another American Flag painted on the tail." Because there's already an American flag on each side of the fuselage, right beside the registration numbers. How many flags does it take for you guys?
"But, then, who would design his OWN presidential seal but an egoist." - Well, it's not a presidential seal, it's just his logo. Everybody has one. Kinda like McCain's big yellow star. A really big yellow star, BTW. The presidential seal is well, the presidential seal. I believe the only thing Obama's logo and the seal have in common is that they're round. And by the way, have you seen the size of McCain's name on his jet? Must have a pretty big ego, himself. |
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