Monday, June 30, 2008
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Harry Reid: "Coal Makes Us Sick. Oil Makes Us Sick."
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Posted by:
Hugh Hewitt at
6:00 PM
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The Leader of the Don't Drill Democrats in the Senate declaims against two giant and productive industries that employ hundreds of thousands of Americans. His full statement:
"The one thing we fail to talk about is those costs that you don't see on the bottom line. That is coal makes us sick, oil makes us sick; it's global warming. It's ruining our country, it’s ruining our world. We’ve got to stop using fossil fuel.”
(HT: The Corner).
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So tell me Harry wacko Reid, what do you want us to do here in the US? Do you want us to go back to the 10th century? Hmmm i guess so and die by the time we hit 40. Idiot |
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At least they are being up front about it. Why shouldn't they, their candidate is a Marxist/Communist as well. |
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Well, Harry. I guess that this war on high fuel prices is also "lost" |
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As a resident of West Virginia, I can tell you that coal really does make a lot of people sick. Despite some inroads, anthracosis is still a scourge of miners here. There is still no cure.
Some communities downstream from moutaintop removal mining, the worst form of ecoterrrorism, that had been healthy now experience levels of 70 to 80 percent incidences of cancer.
Mercury from coal fired power plants taints the fish for all of us. |
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Anyone remember Hugh a few years ago claiming that he risked his life daily, directly confronting the Islamic threat, by broadcasting out of the Empire State Building? That because he courageously worked for a week out of that New York studio, he was, like the hundreds of thousands of soldiers before him, putting his health and life on the line for ole' glory? I guess, in keeping with Hugh's most recent pearl of wisdom, Hugh was at greater risk on the front lines in that New York radio studio than a coal miner in West Virginia. There is a commercial I hope the GOP runs during this election cycle! |
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Boy, Vegas is really going to be different without electricity. It'll be dark and it'll be hot.
But Dr. Reid knows best. |
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Brob, average life expectancy has gone from the 30-40 years in the early 20th century, to a current average of 78 years.
That life expectancy increase happened directly in the same time period that we increased our of usage of coal and oil.
So, on what facts do you base your conclusion that oil and coal are making us sick?
Or are you the kind of analyst that knows the price of everything and the value of nothing?
Perhaps you are like Harry Reid in that you only look at the costs of oil and coal, and don't look at the direct benefits - like electricity to power hospitals, drug manufacturing plants, medical research facilities, the CDC, etc.
Brob, I would have expected a more rigorous and accurate econ analysis from a U of Chicago grad.
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Of course, coal and oil exposure and burning can make one sick.
It's a hazard of use.
The question that should be asked is: do the costs/hazards of use outweigh the benefits of use?
Given its monetary costs, geopolitical costs, health costs, and possible environmental costs, we are fast approaching the point when more of us are saying, "Yes, and we need to start thinking of ways to decrease usage, eventually minimize it, and then eliminate it with better forms of energy." |
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is global warming nuts like you and "the bjob". This comment at 6:38pm today, ranks right up there with the "banger" comment, the one were she identified a suburban group that went to college and "banged" people of another race and as such would be offended if obambi's half whiteness would be exploited by the Republican Party. These 2 fools of the left not only should not be listened to, but they should be laughed off the continent. Bjob, do you work, and do you have even a modicum of wisdom. Do you know how the world works or is it all just theories, fantasies, and daily flights of fancy for you and Harry. You need not answer, for you already have at 6:38pm today.
Save us oh Lord from these fools of the left and please Lord do it quickly, for foolish grows each day on the left. |
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You just cannot argue with idiots. |
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I'm not surprised by his statement and some of the comments I have read here. Harry Reid and about half the senate and house need to go. We need to start a massive recall in this country and throw out about half these bums. It's time the people took this great country of ours back. You GREENS don't like it tough. |
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If Harry Reid can come up with a better alternative that is read to be widely used RIGHT NOW, Ibe happy to switch. But we haven't built nuclear plants, fuel cells are still a ways off (and may have their own problems) and it's become obvious that biodiesel isn't the answer.
The thing is, the dichotomy between developing alternatives and exploration is a false one. The solution is not just in drilling, nor is it just in alternative fuels. The solution has to be comprehensive: conserve now, explore for the near future and develop alternatives to be ready years from now. |
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also will make you sick .Ingredients needed for electric cars and fluorescent bulbs ,of course they arew okay because it supposedly saves energy,but what really gets me sick is the coolade this do nothing buffoon is serving. |
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Very perceptive, you're exactly right.
Brob, you're an idiot. Unless you have a reasonable alternative you need to shut the pie hole. |
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Give him another microphone, and then another, and then ANOTHER!! While he and the DDD chant "Hell no we won't drill!" they fail to notice they are getting pinned with the high cost of gas that creeps up everyday. They also chant about the need to develop alternative energy (as do some other sloganeers on this site) and end the use of fossil fuels.
Oh yeah? Like what? Point at it. What other viable sources of alternative energy - that actually work versus making great poetry (for example (R)nold's infamous Hindenburg, errr, Hydrogen Highway) - are out there other than hybrid cars and (gasp) nuclear power? Talk is cheap folks, gas ain't. |
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In the 20th century more men lost their lives in this county's coal mines than in all the wars this country fought during the same time.
World War I, World War II, the Korean Conflict, Vietnam, etc. |
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Please tell me where you got that statistic.
I'm sorry, but that sounds like you are totally insane. |
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Why are you and the other Democrat leaders holding out on us? You're in charge now, and have been for eighteen months. If you've got the solution - what are you waiting for? At least show the rest of us by your good example how YOU "stop using fossil fuel." Just do it - LEAD us! |
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I know the left loves to enhance body counts but this is a new high.What county was this.Rosie O would be proud of you,you are typical of the left. |
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..of a quote that was lifted out of context. I believe Senator Reid was speaking to FoxBusiness about the economics of alternative energy. Specifically, he was one of the dignitaries at the opening of a solar reflector production line in NV.
You guys are just a bundle of little emotions, aren't you?! One thing is for sure: the energy problem will take a combo of long term vision and short-term workarounds.. |
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You claim to point out the obvious. Let's have your source. We're all waiting... |
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Brob, nice try, but you're wrong.
Harry Reid, (and you by affirmation) made a conclusory statement that coal and oil are making us sick.
So I am merely asking you on what basis you make such a claim, starting with the obvious point that we are living longer than we ever have, so it can't be life span. (I'm not arguing causality. I'm circumscribing the bounds of your argument.)
So what measure are you using to establish your "making us sick" fact? Do you even have an argument? And please don’t argue “global warming”, because I would argue that warming may actually cause humans to have better health.
Let's stipulate that the amounts and benefits of our current use of electricity is optimal.
Now, I'd agree that generating that optimal amount of energy would be better if we did it with no fossil fuels. So, I'd propose using nuclear fuel to generate the optimal amount.
But which side of the political spectrum has been holding up nuclear plants? Is Obama supportive of nuclear power? How many nuclear plans will Obama start his first year in office?
Here’s the point: you argued only costs. “Oh, the costs! The costs!”
And even then you are pointing to contrived costs - i.e. incidents where the cost/space or cost per incident density is high. (Sitting in a garage with the car running! Putting your head in a smoke stack! As if those are actual and necessary events to using oil or coal. Please be real.)
Richard Epstein would hand you an “F” for your analysis on cost/benefits. I would urge you to go read and memorize Epstein’s economic analysis on the local, isolated potential harms of Vioxx, versus the widespread public benefits. His analysis model there applies quite well here to fossil fuels or to nuclear fuels also.
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Party, all they really want to do is tax more. they say their progressive but I do not hear any progressive new ideas on R&D on developing new energies from them. We need to use our own resources, we have the technology to get to it safer than before, like the shale desposits we have. Off shore drilling which is 50 miles or more off our coasts. We can use nucluaer energy like france has. we have so much natural re we need to use now whuile we are developing new technologies for energy comsuptionn. |
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Is another enviro talking point that hasn't gone very far since it's conception when?? 10 years ago? 20? Or was Earth Day 1 nearly 30 years ago? Other than heating swimming pools (for those who can afford them), how many people can afford installing solar collectors on their rooftops? My pool is still ice cold until about May-ish after I barfed up a lung seeing a quote for a roof-top solar heater and I'm what you would call upper class salary-wise. Can't wait to see the quote for a solar collector. Solar may happen, but not tomorrow and certainly won't do ANYTHING to resolve how much of my wallet is being eaten at the gas pump. We could have avoided this mess a decade or two ago if politicos who weren't bundles "of little emotions" about the environment had engaged in some grown-up talk about energy recovery other than the DDD mode we still see today.
Hapless Harry and his enviro sound-bites on alternative energy is cheap talk that he, the Sierra Club, and the Dems et.al. can ill afford but don't seem to get it. You'd think the Mitch-slappings he's been taking for the past 18 months would have caused him to consider his words more carefully, but then he'd have to let go of those little emotions, wouldn't he? |
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4-STAR Gen. Wesley Clark is RIGHT to point out that despite John McCains former P.O.W. status, it is more important to have good judgment and to be level and cool-headed in order to lead a country.
4-Star General Wesley Clark was awarded a Rhodes Scholarship to Oxford University, where he earned a Masters Degree in Politics, Philosophy and Economics. During 34 years of service in the United States Army, Wesley Clark rose to the rank of FOUR-STAR General as NATO's Supreme Allied Commander, Europe.
In his final military command, General Clark commanded Operation Allied Force, NATO's first major combat action, which saved 1.5 million Albanians from ethnic cleansing in Kosovo, and he was responsible for the peacekeeping operation in Bosnia.
In previous duty, General Clark was the Commander-in-Chief, US Southern Command, where he was responsible for all US military activities in Latin America and the Caribbean. And from April 1994 through June 1996, he was the Director of Strategic Plans and Policy, J-5, in the Joint Staff, where he helped negotiate the end to the war in Bosnia. His previous assignments include a wide variety of command and staff positions, including Command of the 1st Cavalry Division.
General Clark's awards and honors include the Presidential Medal of Freedom, The State Department Distinguished Service Award; the US Department of Defense Distinguished Service Medal;(five awards), The US Army Distinguished Service Medal(two awards), The Silver Star, the Bronze Star (two awards), the Purple Heart, and Honorary Knighthoods from the British and Dutch governments.
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Harry Reid says that poisons make us sick. Hugh Hewitt denies that is the case.
Film at 11. |
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Do not listen to Bizzaro Joe who is spreading nonsense that Weasley Clark is someone to emulate. Weasley Clark should have been formally relieved in the Balkans. |
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That there is not one liberal commenting here as to the actual economics of transitioning from fossil fuels to an alternative. They just see the brass ring and want it.
What is the actual plan for moving from fossil fuels to alternatives? How will actual KwH be allocated in this utopian wish? Explain the draw down in refinery output and the uptake in.....WHAT? Who will pay and when? What form of energy production will fill the gap from fossil to WHAT? Solar can't. Wind can't. Bio can't. To borrow a crutch from the anti "drill here drill now" crowd, nuclear is twenty years away at best.
Truth is, the libs have no plan...they never have. They just covet CHANGE! And power. |
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why are we and NATO still in the Balkans? Why do they recommend we cut loose our ties to the Iraqis and leave them to chaos while we continue to support stability in the Balkans?
John ("Sam Damon" I didn't make Flag Officer but I had one hell of a distinguished career) McCain is right and Gen "Courtenay Massengale" Clark and the Rookie Obama are wrong. We cannot leave Iraq for the same reason we have been in Kosovo for over a decade - if we leave _________, Europe/the Middle East, will descend into chaos, and US and world security would be threatened.
What a Bravo Foxtrot Clark is - I am embarrassed to be from the same institution that produced that slimy weasel.
I would draw comfort from the fact that our Commander in Chief had served in any capacity during a war and had sons(or daughters) currently serving. I would feel secure knowing he would not send our forces out capriciously nor would he hesitate to send them if we were threatened. Obama lacks judgement - he does not have the wisdom to see that the Surge would result in fewer American and Iraqi deaths. Had we followed his judgment, the enemy would be succeeding in Iraq and preparing the killing fields of Middle East and millions of people would be at risk. No, we cannot give this job to a rookie, even if he picks a political opportunist, back stabbing General as his Veep. |
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What we need to do is drill out all the oil and mine all the coal and burn it all up till it is gone from the earth. Then when the energy resources of the world are equal to all nations, we will subsist on alternative energy. So long as oil and coal and nuclear are cheaper than the alternatives, we must lead the world in acquiring the cheapest energy fuels to maintain our super power status. Who ever maintains the cheapest energy costs will remain the super power of the world. The more we keep costs down on energy, the more we have to spend on our military to keep the freedoms we enjoy. Cheap energy equals freedom and liberty for our nation in the real world. The libtards would have us reduced to a third world nation should they enact their demented policies. Harry Reid is a stupid man's idiot to believe as he does and so are all who support him and his party. |
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"Boy, Vegas is really going to be different without electricity. It'll be dark and it'll be hot."
And dry, though in fact it's not all that dark during the day. Las Vegas wouldn't exist if there weren't millions of people bringing large amounts of money to it by car, plane, and bus, and leaving it there. Now that there are casinos pretty much everywhere and the water's running out in Nevada, I wouldn't be surprised if it's a ghost town in 25 years. Have you seen recent pictures of Lake Mead?
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Glad to see someone quoting "Once an Eagle" here...but you should explain it. Not many here understand it.
Myrer wrote the civilian version in "The Last Convertible". |
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How do all you liberals propose to grow the food necessary to feed all of our people - mules and oxen? Then how will we gert it to the markets with no trucking?
What a bunch of dopes. |
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Regulations have been the cause of the high cost of our energy.
Nuclear energy was going to pollute the planet so the government regulated them right out of the picture.
Gas and oil are now being regulated to the point that they too will become so expensive we will need to find other sources.
If ethanol or any other bio-fuel is the way to go, why not just provide tax breaks instead of paying some businessman to open a company that cannot support itself.
What are the "energy costs" to create all the alternatives? How will we get that energy?
Why not offer accelerated depreciation (less taxes) for investment in more efficient energy use and research?
But, then the government would loose revenues. The Senators would have less influence on our daily lives. They would become less important.
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hack, if he and his sons can take their minds away from crooked land deals for just a sec, that gambling makes us sick as well. So let's shut down Vegas right now.
And Hoover dam, by enviro standards, is an ecological catastrophe, and the Colorado river system should be opened up post haste to natural flow. Of course that means a bit of a problem in SW US, since Nevada, Arizona and So. Cal dry up and blow away without Hoover, but hey, why should enviros start thinking now?
Oil and Coal have saved billions of lives. Oil and Coal powers our technologies, provides feedstocks for polymers and plastics and drugs and roads and construction material, and clothing and fuel for cars and power plants and fertilizers and food containers and just about everything else.
But why should Harry Reid start thinking now?
His thoughtless corruption fits in just fine with our democrat friends.
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drying up, check Lake Powell and the other lakes. They are just fine.
Water is being held in Powell at record levels. |
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Looks like people are ignoring your very logical and to-the-point points. Welcome to Townhall.com. |
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[And even then you are pointing to contrived costs - i.e. incidents where the cost/space or cost per incident density is high. (Sitting in a garage with the car running! Putting your head in a smoke stack! As if those are actual and necessary events to using oil or coal. Please be real.)]
We have very real air quality health advisories where I live. The air is unhealthful and could be harmful to those sensitive to it. |
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Harry Reid, Shut Down Las Vegas.
Las Vegas, is using too much energy,
Harry Reid, must urgently act to cut down on pollution. Las Vegas is poluting the nation, and the planet, and by using tons of energy, is extreemly damaging the enviornment, thus help the Global Warming effect on the planet.
Harry Reid, Close down Las Vegas as soon as possible.
The health of the children of this planet is in danger because of Harry Reid's Las Vegas.
Harry Reid is uncaring, onerous politicion, who precisely has failed to protect the health of our most weak, our children.
Harry Reid, you are in charge of this Crisis. Take Charge, Now. Do Something. Las Vegas, has to Go.
Civilization is suffering, because of Harry Reid.
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....are out in force today, I see.
:) |
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The economics of this issue are not hard to understand. Nothing motivates behavior like high prices and thick margins. And there is no doubt that fossil fuels have improved mankind's standard of living.
There is an element of nihilism to the Reep critique of alternative energy, and their advocacy of fossil fuels. It is almost as if the future doesn't matter, as Jesus is coming and that will be that.
But for those of us who live on this planet, who have children and grandchildren and would like to see them live long and affluent lives, there is a recognition that the problem requires larger thinking than that microeconomic class we took back in college.
It is a crying shame that you Reeps took down Carter's national energy policy. We would be in a much better situation if you hadn't. The Bush/Cheney policy review in 2001 was a joke, a tabernacle to Boomer conservatism's capacity for whistling past the graveyard. |
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Mike said: "John McCain I didn't make Flag Officer"
There is a reason for that. In 1981, McCain was told that because of poor annual physicals and lack of major sea command he could make Rear Admiral, but not full Admiral.
Let's see, that five years in the Hanoi Hilton and subsequent recovery stood between him that the kind of experience Gen. Weasely Clark was able to have. McCain decided to serve his country in Congress.
Weasely was clearly comparing his own experience with McCain. Pretty low Weasely... Schadenfreude anyone? |
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You're wrong, wrong, wrong!! The number of deaths from Pneumocosis, even with a projected casualty rate of 3000 per year since 1968-1999, is less than 100,000. The total number of US war dead is around 700,000. Sorry, but the numbers keep declining because of safety commissions and the like. You are either deranged or lumping in alot of other people.
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Patriotic Liberal writes: "The economics of this issue are not hard to understand. Nothing motivates behavior like high prices..."
PL like Obama and Reid, want high gas prices here and now! They want a humbler and poorer America!
Well, guys we can't tax our way out of this one!
Here is a better economic prescription:
Drill Here! Drill Now! Pay Less!
Build nuclear plants Here!(Starting in Nevada where Harry doesn't want them) Build Now!
Build more windmills Here!(starting in Nantucket Sound where Sen. Kennedy doesn't want them) Build Now! Pay a little more
Build more refineries! Build them Here (starting with Kansas where Governor Kathleen Sebelius doesn't want them) Build now! Pay less!
Build more solar. Build Here! Build Now! Pay a ot more!
Build more energy efficient cars and trucks. Build them here! Build them now! Pay More!
Mine oil shale! Mine it here! (beginning in Colorado where Sen. Salazar doesn't want it) Mine now! Pay a little more!
Build Hydroelectric Dams! Build them Here (starting in Washington where Sen. Patty Murray doesn't want them) Build them now! Pay Less!
Put in florescent bulbs! Put them in now! Pay a little less!
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It's not that we are anti science we are pro survival and realists in the sky theories don't buy the groceries need a bridge to get to energy Independence solution we all desire.Please don't mention Carter in any political discussion if you wish to have any appearance of credibility. |
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"How do all you liberals propose to grow the food necessary to feed all of our people - mules and oxen? Then how will we gert it to the markets with no trucking?"
Nice bit of knocking down a straw man.
Not very many people I know are proposing going immediately to no internal combustion engines.
Let me put this in terms that conservatives might be able to understand. Imagine you have all of your investments in one company whose future is questionable.
Your investment advisor tells you "you may not want to dump all of your stock in COMPANY OIL, but if you're smart you'll diversify."
For thirty-five years it's been clear that we need to diversify our energy portfolio. Jimmy Carter actually got us started on that path, but Ronald Reagan IMMEDIATELY changed course--one of his first acts was to remove the solar panels from the White House.
Solar Power is not THE answer--there is no one answer, but it can be a key component to getting off of our oil dependency.
About ten years ago I spent a week in the Phoenix area, and was shocked that there are fewer houses with solar panels than here in rainy Portland, Oregon. |
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Okay, Dr. Reid. Do you even know the words that come out of you close-minded mouth. You have no concern about coal and oil producers. They are the ones that area at risk.
Blah Blah Blah.... To Harry, Even Republicans want to find alternative sources of energy. But unlike democrats, Republicans want to be wise about it and not just try anything that is not oil based. See, we don't want to ride around on corn if it is actually worse for the environment and drives the cost of corn through the roof.
Harry, You make me sick. The stupid, treasonous, and partisan words that come out of your mouth make my heart beat faster and send pains from my stomach to my neck. So if you want to use this logic then bring it on. Too much sun makes people sick. Sugar makes people sick. Milk makes people sick. Beer make people sick. Bacteria makes people sick. Too much water makes people sick. For God's Sake, everything can make you sick.
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Carter tried to take us to hell. Fortunately, he's the kind of leader than almost no one will follow.
Coal and oil provided the energy necessary to create the modern world. They are the only practical, portable, stable, high energy density, primary power sources currently known to man.
Modern agriculture productivity depends on anhydrous ammonia fertilizer, which is made from natural gas. It's not oil, but it takes drilling, too, so I bet Harry and his sympathizers here about hate it, too.
Nobody forces anyone to work in coal mines; if folks think working in the mines is bad for them, then they should find different work. The oil industry is starving for engineers, shipwrights, roughnecks, sailors, deck apes, you name it. Make the switch.
If you don't like mountaintop removal mining, then buy the mountain and don't mine it. You don't get to control what you don't own.
You want cleaner burning coal? Reverse the trillion-ton mining ban Clinton installed on Utah et al's coal. (OK, maybe you can control what you don't own...)
You want misery? Throw away the power sources that your ancestors have spent centuries developing, refining, and improving and bet the farm on a gaggle of unproven sources that each requires multiple accessory developments to even have a chance of becoming practical.
Or you could have some patience and maybe even just a little humility about the people and systems that have made your apparently too-comfortable lives possible. |
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fbear said: "Solar Power is not THE answer--there is no one answer, but it can be a key component to getting off of our oil dependency."
I am glad to see you acknowledge the need for a diverse approach to energy independence.
Solar and other alternative energy sources have inherent limitations. The wind does not always blow and the sun does always shine where we want it to shine. Even in Phoenix the sun shines less that 50% of the time. There is an opportunity risk in putting only Sierra Club and Green Party approved eggs in the energy basket.
Consider California's Potemkin Environmentalism.
http://www.city-journal.org/2008/18_2_californias_environme ntalism.html
"Rancho Seco was once a nuclear plant generating over 900 megawatts of electricity enough to power upward of 900,000 homes; today, its solar panels produce just 4."
Rancho Seco was closed in the midst of an environmentalist frenzy. Today...
"Rancho Seco possesses one of the largest photovoltaic arrays in the world. Yet it provides less than 4 MW of electricity, or less than half of 1 percent of what the closed nuclear plant optimally offered. Total solar capacity for the Sacramento region is less than 50 MW, or about 6 percent of the nuclear plant’s output. In fact, after millions of dollars in subsidies and other support for solar power, the entire state of California has less than 250 MW of solar capacity."
How about a sane energy policy:
Solar yes! Wind yes! Nuclear yes! Conservation Yes! By all means and Drill Here. Drill Now. Pay Less.
Harry's energy policy is insanity... |
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question, that is "wonder if your wrong". Wonder if YOUR wrong about Ahmadinanutter, wonder if he really does want to produce nuclear weapons and does want to use them on "the great Satan". Wonder if he real cannot be "talked" out of it by the smooth talking feminine obambi. Wonder if man really can't be perfected as you on the enlightened side believe he can. Wonder if your wrong about the hereafter, and that salvation through Christ and him only is true. Wonder if, wonder if, fact is is that, wonder if can be applied to almost anything. Recently 31,000 scientists of varying scientific persuasions signed a petition stating that this so called man made global warming is a hoax, thats 31,000 eminent men and women of science signed of on this statement. If man made global warming is absolute then how can this be, so many saying it just ain't so. I would suggest that Iran becoming nuclear and then using it is far, far, far more likely than this silly notion of man made global warming. And certainly in the short term, Ahmadinutter is far, far more problematic, and that cannot be disputed.
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I, for one, would love to give up fossil fuels. So if you'd please unveil your Democrat-designed car that runs on sunshine and happy thoughts, I would be much obliged. My wallet awaits your announcement.
I can't wait to see it... |
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I honestly wonder how many Republicans are against alternative sources of energy just because Democrats are for some of them.
I don't think anyone is suggesting that we ban oil and coal now, save perhaps radical eco-groups.
But we do need to plan ahead for the future. Oil and coal prices will continue to rise, and we need to be wise in looking at what we can do to reduce our own demand (without negatively impacting our economy) while we continue to search for a better source.
If that includes solar and wind and nuclear power, great. Let's get it done. |
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What in the world gave you the idea that we conservatives are not for "diversifying"? We need to explore any and every available energy option, including wind, solar, coal, nuclear. The problem is that we are far from developing much of these to meanfully reduce our dependency on fossil fuel for years. Eliminating the fossil fuel exploration - new drilling, building refineries, etc., as liberals want us to do is extremely short-sighted.
Granted, new refineries and new drilling will not have an immediate impact on the supply or price of oil, but the argument 10 years ago was that if we opened up ANWR 10 years ago to drilling that it would take 10 years to get that oil on the market. Well, 10 years later we certainly could use that production. What are you doing in 10 years from now?
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How much time do I have before we are ruined? Mr. Reid do you have a time table? I would like to be prepared.
My neighbors just got solar panels. As I was speaking to my neighbor, he told me they were very expensive, BUT he is hoping they pay off in the future. Hmm...about 5-10 years. Wow! Planning ahead.
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Well, ole Harry is sick, huh? WVA, Montana, Kentucky, the Dakotas, Pa., Idaho, all those voters are being told that their energy industries make the leftist socialist pacifists in the Senate with ole Harry whining, are horrid for Americans. So, solar, wind, wave power, not in any type of real production and will not be for generations, will help all those NE states in the winter when they are freezing. And 60 million cars will run on the hot air of the Messiah. And oh, nuclear power will give cancer to Harry and San Fran Nan. And, meanwhile OPEC and the Muslim energy producers laugh at the naifs in the Dem Party as they undermine our entire capitalistic system. The lefties above are so foolish and so naive that they cannot see how their own taxes will be raised so high, that they might have to move to their beloved socialist Europe just to get some WHINE AND BRIE. What dolts! Oh today, two polls came out, Pew, telling the Left that voters actually want drilling, building cracking plants OVER AND AGAINST CONSERVATION, AND SAVING THE SNAIL DARTER. The other poll says that our economy must not be allowed to slip because of endangered species. Now if only those voters would understand that the Dems would just multiply all these energy problems if the Messiah and more lefty Dems were elected. |
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"And for those who think Lake Mead is
drying up, check Lake Powell and the other lakes. They are just fine.
Water is being held in Powell at record levels."
From the official DoI water management site:
"In the summer of 1999, Lake Powell was essentially full with reservoir storage at 23.5 million acre-feet, or 97 percent of capacity. ... Current reservoir storage in Lake Powell is 53 percent of capacity. Storage in Lake Mead is 49 percent of capacity.
Updated: June 12, 2008"
Unless you meant record LOW levels. |
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"The anti-science righties are out in force today, I see."
It's like a reunion of everyone who ever failed 9th grade general science.
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Bob Munck writes: "It's like a reunion of everyone who ever failed 9th grade general science."
Let's start with this well know statistical principle: Correlation is not causation. Causation can only be verified by observation of and replication of events.
"Correlation does not imply causation is a phrase used in the sciences and statistics to emphasize that correlation between two variables does not imply that one causes the other. Its negation, correlation proves causation, is a logical fallacy by which two events that occur together are claimed to have a cause-and-effect relationship. “
Edward Tufte said: Empirically observed covariation is a necessary but not sufficient condition for causality. or Correlation is not causation but it sure is a hint.
Some consider science as some kind of divine calling, completed with its own priesthood and hallowed halls. Demystifying Science is a good exercise: Ever heard of these scientific blunders:
- Piltdown Man , Y2K, Alar, THE DEBENDOX DEBACLE, PILTDOWN CHICKEN, COLD FUSION?
How about these:
-The link between electromagnetic fields and cancer
- Mars meteorite discovered in Antarctica
- Brazilian geneticists crossbred mild-mannered European honeybees with their more aggressive, territorial cousins from Africa
- New York Times, a headline read: "Asteroid Is Expected to Make a Pass Close to Earth in 2028."
- Challenger disaster
Bad Science:
http://www.ems.psu.edu/~fraser/BadScience.html
Blunders and Mistakes of Science and Engineering
http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/whoops.htm
Twenty Blunders of Science in the last 20 years:
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1511/is_10_21/ai_653 68923/pg_5?tag=artBody;col1
Global Warming as Mass Neurosis
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121486841811817591
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"What in the world gave you the idea that we conservatives are not for "diversifying"?"
For starters, there's the fact that one of Ronald Reagan's first acts as President was to remove the solar panels from the White House, and he then gutted the alternative energy programs started in the Carter administration. I have yet to hear a conservative criticize him for that.
I have also not heard conservatives championing sustainable forms of energy. Oh, they love nuclear, but given that the waste problem hasn't been solved, it's not sustainable.
Conservatives want BIG energy projects. They hate solar because it allows people to actually produce their own electricity.
As for those who say "but the sun only shines during the day", well, duh! And when is peak energy usage? It's DURING THE DAY! The off-the-gridders that I know use batteries to store energy for times when the sun isn't shining. |
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The war dead of this country for the 20th century was around 350,000.
From 1900 to the mid fifties there were more than 1000 deaths per year in the coal mines of this country.
For every direct death, there were five others to die of anthracosis.
1000 deaths x 55 years (approx) = 55,000
55,000 X 5 = 275,000
275,000 + 55,000 = 330,000
From about 1955 to 1975 there were about 500 deaths per year in the coal mines.
500 x 20 years = 10,000
330,000 + 10,000 = 340,000
There were additional deaths after 1975, but at a much reduced rate. So I'm afraid my arithmetic was off.
Nonetheless, you must admit that the loss of life in coal mining is horrendous, rivaling what we lost to our wars. Just because my numbers were wrong doesn't mean that it is not a tragedy. |
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aren't we privileged, the self righteous "monk" has decided to weigh in, and give us a dose of his lefty looniness. It's my understanding that the "monk" is the major of liberalville and he's every bit as effective as Harry has been in the Senate. Certainly a record to be proud of. Give us a full dose of your self righteousness as only a loony lefty can. This fool probably had his hand over his heart during the singing of the black national anthem, which was sung at the state of the city speech yesterday here in Denver. Viva obambi, the black national anthem, and to H....e....l....l with the Star Spangle Banner, because surely, that was written by a white slave owner, and we are now beyond that. While were at it to H....e.....l......l with American history too, and while were at it to H....e....l.....l with America. Hang your head low on the 4th America, Michelle will be. Viva obambi..a "proud American". |
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Hewitt is certainly one of the dimmest of the dim. Just this Sunday on This Week he claimed Afghanistan was stable. How stupid - or dishonest - can one be. I guess it is to be expected since the same dishonesty was proclaimed about Iraq for years as it went down hill. Chock that one up to creating their own reality.
But to the issue at hand, how stupid and irresponsible can you be to defend the coal industry? How about defending the illegal drug industry too? After all, look at the jobs provided for law enforcement. |
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Yes they do have hidden costs. But coal fired plants are much cleaner than they were in 1980. Remember the acid rain scare back then?
Not using American coal and oil also has its costs Harry. It means dependance on our government and OPEC. Socialists like dependance!
They lie about ANWR - the area to be drilled is coastal tundra not the beautiful places they show in pictures. It looks like a Saudi desert!
They tell us it will take 10 years to get new oil. Seriously? It took less than 10 to build the panama canal with steam shovels.
They tell us 'conservation energy, solar, wind'. I can't put any of them in my tank or make a plastic bag out of it.
Seriously Harry what are you trying to do? Make us a third world marxist nation?
The democrats have become the 'can't do party'. They are good a claiming crisis and offering a fix which usually includes some hidden tax.
They wanted to tax gas another dollar but they knew it wouldn't be palatable so they are now happy that they can blame the problem on the oil companies and get the $ on the back side.
Supply and demand applies to socialists also! There is little excess supply of oil and I'll bet you Harry that Exxon can get NEW oil out of ANWR or the Gulf within 5 years! How about nuclear energy Harry? You like the socialist French model for everything else ... they use nukes also? Hell of an economy the French have! Maybe we can depend on tourism, perfume, and wine sales. Wait just a minute HARRY, they take oil also!
One of the other costs of your no energy policy is an ultimate collapse of our economy. What am I missing? |
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I love solar, have you priced solar panels to provide a 3000 ft2 house with electric. Lets say approximately $90,000. It currently makes no sense not even for a fool like Gore. If I even account for the value it might add to the house and the maintenance I still never get a payback. See, real people run the numbers our poiticians talk BS. Long term I beleive that American Capitalists or Japanese Capitalists will solve the problems and make it affordable but not this year and not before we could get oil or natural gas out of the Gulf.
Furthermore a deeper investigation of global warming needs to be done before we destroy our economy. Who will we hurt the most? Probably the poor. What is the ultimate goal of the progressive/socialist? Power? |
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