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Friday, February 08, 2008
The Fall of Romney, Inc.
Posted by: Patrick Ruffini at 12:19 AM

In fairness to Team Romney, they did more right than not. They rose from single digits in the national polls to receiving 32% of the primary votes cast to date. They became the conservative establishment’s choice. They leveraged mechanical and resource superiority into solid leads in Iowa and New Hampshire, giving Rudy Giuliani pause about competing in the early states and chasing John McCain from Iowa. They leveraged their candidate’s mastery of pat, 60-second answers into dominance (and rising poll numbers) out of the first debates. They met their goal of winning Ames, and got a bump. They met their goal of 30,000 votes in the Iowa Caucus.

Nearly all of the benchmarks set by Romney, Inc. were met — and often with flying colors. They checked every box they needed to become the nominee. Practically everything the Romney campaign could keep under control, they did. But for a few thousand votes in New Hampshire, the conversation today would be dramatically different.

Unfortunately for Mitt Romney, goals and benchmarks are not the same as real-world outcomes. John McCain missed nearly all of his campaign’s benchmarks and yet will become the nominee.

The X-factor in translating a campaign’s technical mastery into victory is the candidate himself. And here, there was something missing.

I am attending CPAC this week. This is the same CPAC Mitt Romney put a huge effort into last year, paying some 200 students to come vote for him and likely providing his margin of victory over Rudy Giuliani (I know! Rudy once finished second at CPAC. Wild…). His speech last year was packed with every conservative insider’s code word imaginable. McCain-Feingold, McCain-Kennedy — you name it.

Conservatives at CPAC care mostly about one thing: getting the policy right. Saying the right words is of paramount importance. And what you say today is more important than what you said yesterday (provided you didn’t make a sport of poking conservatives in the eye). And so while we all got a chuckle out of “Flip Romney,” CPAC rewards the candidate whose words (today at least) most closely match the clearly defined worldview of its audience. Much the same is true of the predominantly economic and national security conservatives in the blogosphere and on talk radio.

What Romney didn’t account for is that it would take more than being a CPAC, or Agenda Conservative to win the nomination. Country Music Conservatives — and frankly, most voters outside the Beltway swamp — don’t listen to your words; they listen to your tone of voice as you’re delivering those words. Do you get angry when you should? What’s your sense of humor like? For social conservatives, are you grounded in faith? And ultimately, are you the real deal?

This has nothing to do with being right on issues. It has everything to do with being authentic.

Any voter in the Agenda Conservative orbit got the Romney message: we need to stop McCain and Huck is a tax hiker, so vote Romney. This message actually affected a fairly large segment of the primary electorate: about 30%. As the kind of people who go to CPAC and think issues matter, bloggers like us are squarely in this orbit. Everyday, what we write has the opportunity to directly impact about 30% of the party — and more than that when we have other things in common with social conservatives or moderate hawks.

Romney’s capturing of this constituency is seen in the election returns. He was essentially the candidate of white collar salesmen driving around in the suburbs listening to talk radio. He got 46% in Oakland County, Michigan, 38% in Cobb County, Georgia, and 42% in Duval County (Jacksonville), Florida. Those were virtually his lone standout performances — and they came from the world most bloggers and radio hosts inhabit. Even those of us who are social conservatives rarely live in the rural South. And because of this cocooning, the conservative elite failed to understand how those voters could possibly have more in common with a Baptist minister with a Massachusetts millionaire. We can debate the LDS effect all we want, but even without it, Romney already had two strikes against him: that he was from the land of Kennedy and Kerry and acted like it, and that he was too white collar for a party that most of the bluebloods have left.

The idea that talk radio could paper over this basic demographic divide is almost comical. The leader/follower model of conservative support (get Rush, the talkers, the CPAC people, all the groups on your side, and in so doing win the hearts and minds of a decisive majority of conservatives) has been proven starkly and decisively wrong.

Despite these challenges, it was still a close call. As I said: a few thousand votes the other way in New Hampshire… But still: the ease with which John McCain won states like South Carolina and Florida has taken us all aback. It all boils down to Agenda Conservatives being nowhere near a majority of the party. Yes, John McCain was a weak frontrunner, but Mitt Romney was a weak challenger, and enough conservatives chose character and authenticity over issues to make the difference.

Let’s face it: in this primary, blogs and talk radio were an echo chamber. What was happening in the electorate (identity-minded Christian voters choosing Huck; loosely affiliated conservatives choosing McCain) was unthinkable to Agenda Conservatives. At a minimum, this challenges us to think differently about the movement, to junk the leader/follower model for a networked model that elevates real grassroots outside the Beltway over “grasstops” and to find new ways of bringing low-information conservative voters into the fold.



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THE POSITRON writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 12:25 AM
THIS WEB SITE LED TO ROMNEY'S FALL!
http://www.townhall.com/content/cf6a5c23-8be1-4dd7-8e95-a30 cf68d9d2a
Ernst_p writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 12:31 AM
What?
"And what you say today is more important than what you said yesterday (provided you didn’t make a sport of poking conservatives in the eye)."

That's a laughable attempt to explain the double standard. Saying you didn't want to return to Reagan-Bush wasn't poking conservatives in the eye? What about saying you weren't a continuation of Republican values? Please.
erich writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 12:35 AM
romney post-mortom
Excellent analysis. the bottom line is the non-political junkies in our party, like my wife, just didn't "feel good" about romney. He needed less wonkishness and more of a presence that those of us who aren't white collar folks could relate to. It's too bad. I believe he is a man of good character and philosophy who does mean what he says, but he just couldn't get folks to like him.
Jim Farley writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 12:40 AM
Character
What about the character of a man who, having been caught chiseling for illicit campaign funding, turns it outward and assumes that, because he is corrupt everyone else must be also. After being granted a clemency by his country and his peers, he then begins a single-minded crusade to force everyone else to accept blame and contrition for his failures.

What sort of character is that?
TrueHawk writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 12:44 AM
Why Romney Lost
1. He was seen as too recent a convert to social conservatism.

2. Massachusetts was not considered to be left in very good fiscal shape by him (fair or not).

3. His negative assaults in the ads in Iowa and New Hampshire made him seem divisive... and now, sure enough, the party is divided. Some blame him.

4. Conservatives have a gut feeling they must move to the middle to win this election cycle, and McCains hero status and patriotism trumps his mistakes.

5. He made enemies instead of forming alliances.

6. Many Huck voters in the south were so angry at Rush and Sean and Laura for their "overkill" bashing of Huck and Mac that they abandoned Romney who they saw as being in cahoots with the radio chatterati.
RobC writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 12:44 AM
Depressing
That is a very sad and depressing take on the party. I hope you are wrong, but I fear you are right the way Huckabee is actually getting any votes.
Daniel writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 12:48 AM
Is Real Conservatism Really So Dead?

We need a leader who can rally the masses.

A great orator who can motivate crowds.

A man who doesn't appeal to the mind, but to the heart and the blood.

A representative of the people who will right the wrongs done to them by the parasitical upper class.

Not ideas, but passion.

Not sterile economic analysis, but fruitful anger!

Ein Führer, der die Herrlichkeit unseres Volkes wiederherstellen kann!

Such leaders have arisen in the past. They can emerge in the future, too.

What a lovely thought.
AnimalFarm1984 writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 12:50 AM
Newsweek - Why Romney Failed
http://www.newsweek.com/id/108793


JacksonC writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 1:01 AM
Ruffini's correct
His point is true: in politics, in church, in life. Only committed book-reading ideologues are keenly interested in down-the-line doctrinal correctness. Such people are a small percentage of any population. Normal people want character, warmth, authenticity. If 'correctness' were the be-all and end-all, for example, the intellect-focused conservative Reformed churches would be huge, instead of the tiny splinters that they (we) are. Broad evangelical churches, which minister to the whole person, are huge. Barack Obama illustrates this: any normal person will be attracted to the man, even if repelled by the policies. But welcome to the real world.
thru and thru writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 1:03 AM
bottom line
He would have been a great president. Brilliant,great temperment, knows the economy and has the values that most Americans want for their own family.
Amazing that people that are successful are so looked down upon, resented. Those who actually got to know him on a personal level actually really liked him.
IF he has a fault it is that he has not adjusted to the "Washington way'of politics.
I think he left with grace and dignity....unlike some who are still in the race.
He is only 63 and has plenty of ammunition to live to fight another day. This is McCain's last hurrah.
Thanks Mr. Romney!!!
rushshambula writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 1:04 AM
how hewitt swam to America
This is the first time I have posted so I hope it fits the format. The 1st comment saif it all Hewitts' ancestry swam the Atlantic and were eventually rescued by mine in the north Atlantic. But this McCain thing is like them jumpimg back in trying to get here.
I never really liked Mitt for a nominee. I would not vote for McCain either I'm sorta a RudyMCromney guy. I too never really saw that lights my fire type conservatism on the campaign trail. Unless of course you want Law and Order. Can't we just put a quarter in and start over with the first bum in a ball cap? McCain has an 18yr record of political narcasism. Hillary cries its' over. Or better yet they got tape of McCain using the words GOOKS, or wetbacks or worse n**ger. Bottom line sister my money is on this. I have been saying it since Chirstmas Mitt VPs Hucks ticket and we get McCain to retire along with the Clintons
thru and thru writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 1:09 AM
lol
Romney would NEVER be Hucks VP
because:

1) Huck will never be the nominee of the party
and

2) Never HIS vp.

LOL!!!!
Mountain Rose writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 1:12 AM
What happened to Mitt in California?
I am trying to understand Mitt Romney's campaign in California. In the Los Angeles area on broadcast TV, Mitt ran one ad.

The ad criticized Hillary Clinton, and said that Mitt had spent his life running things. That was all.

The production values on the ad were very low, compared to that of the ads that all the others were running.

As a person who wanted Romney to run for president ever since I saw him interviewed on CSPAN almost 3 years ago, I am confused by his campaign.

The Romney we saw speaking at the convention was the Romney I saw on CSPAN that day, when I was inspired to write him and beg him to run for President. If he had shown that side of himself every day of the campaign, I think that the Super Tuesday story would have had a different ending.
brimstan writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 1:13 AM
A charismatic leader needed
Daniel,
Sieg Heil!
A lovely thought indeed.
Fructose writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 1:23 AM
Superb analysis. I echo Califronia Q..
Very lame California campaign. My friends and family would have participated more but there was no network. Few Events. Very few ads. McCain's ads were everywhere..
Fenderdeluxe writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 1:23 AM
Oh Patrick come on...
Now I realize that in writing a column like that you inevitably have to paint with some broad strokes. And yes there were "low information conservatives" who "don't listen to your words" and all of that. And listen, I don't mean to rub Mitt's nose in it at this point by bringing this up. But the fact of the matter is that those folks that you've described above were the LEAST of Mitt Romney's problems. Sure he said all the right words. We heard and understood them all. But the problem was, not enough of those words matched his record. And sixty+ percent of the party understood that. People didn't believe him. Now, the Agenda Conservatives - whatever the heck THAT is exactly (that's a new one!) - may have bought it, but we didn't. Issues matter to us too, but we've seen politicians like that for decades. And we've had it up to HERE with them. Come on, why don't you just admit it. It was a product marketing campaign posing as a political candidacy. Heck he might as well have been out there selling washing machines. Wake up, son. We're like three steps ahead of you guys on this type of thing.
Phil writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 1:28 AM
You left out the MSM effect
I believe I saw just about NO positive coverage of Romney in the MSM. The only positive takes on him were talk radio, some blogs and his own ads.

You can't win if you NEVER get any fair coverage from MSM. Romney was virtually never shown on the stump, being himself. He WAS shown in debates, where he didn't loosen up quite enough. In contrast, Huckabee and McCain got quite a bit of positive (or at least not overwhelming negative) coverage in MSM.

To top it off, the "Romney is trying to buy the election" meme was propagated on all sides... when of course that was his only chance of getting any positive coverage OUTSIDE the Agenda Conservative bubble.

The lesson I learn from this: you can go from unknown to recognizable IN A SHORT TIME with some positive name ID only with the help of the MSM, like Huckabee did. Alternative media just isn't enough to do the job. And you can't get it from running ads, if the MSM doesn't like you. Early debates aren't watched by enough people, and they are the most artificial of contexts, anyway.

Stay tuned. Romney is better known now. He'll be even better known by the time future elections roll around. It will be harder for MSM to choke his visibility down to their disapproving comments.

The real meat behind Patrick's comments is that the majority of Republicans still don't listen to talk radio and read blogs, or if they do, they are even more influenced by other factors.
Fenderdeluxe writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 1:35 AM
Good post Topcat
That about covers it.
Kafka writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 1:36 AM
Wonderful analysis
Your analysis is based on very clear thinking and is honest and right on track. The only things I have to add or emphasize is that Romney seemed to lack gravitas. I realize that he probably has 20 IQ points on McCain but Romney did seem like a bit of a light weight (maybe the authenticity thing) when he spoke. Having said that, Romney was the candidate I preferred after Rudy dropped out.

A lot of smart people (who would have preferred Romney) have left the Republican party. I don't have much in common with the religious right. I do believe in separation of church and state, limited government, a strong defense, low taxes, less goverment intrusion into our lives, strict constitutionalist judges, school voucher, and no affirmative action or other racial politics.

I think the religious right has really dumbed down the Republican party. The marriage amendment to the constitution is offensive. What true conservative wants to amend the constitution in such a way? Let the individual states decide what they want to do about gay marriage. About the only bones I am willing to throw to the religious right are strict constitutionalist judges and school vouchers (and, of course, gun rights).

I think Bush broke the Republican party and that brilliant guys like you need to start figuring out how to fix it or build a new coalition. I would gladly trade the religious right for the libertarians who are not totally crazy (i.e. the Instapundit crew).

McCain has always seemed like a nut case to me. The guy has so much anger inside him that I cannot believe that we are proposing that he be the commander in chief. The great thing about him as president it should be quite amusing to watch him go apoplectic.

CDubber writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 1:37 AM
Topcat
"Privately Democratic strategists were rooting for Romney to run against."

That's funny, because every Democratic strategist I ever saw interviewed on *national TV* said McCain was the one they feared.

Now *why* would they broadcast that for everyone to hear if it were actually true?

Answer: they wouldn't.

Attention conservatives, you were played by the DNC and the liberal MSM - handing them the GOP nominee they had hoped for. Well done. My party has become a party of gullible fools.

The MSM shredding of John McCain begins now.
CK MacLeod writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 1:40 AM
The Massachusetts Non-Miracle
First I want to say that the above post is in my opinion one of Patrick's best of the campaign, and that's saying something.

My main disagreements may seem like quibbles - chiefly that the shorthand counter-posing "Agenda Conservatives" against everyone else neglects the possibility that a strong case for a McCain candidacy can be made without resting solely on nebulous ideas about character - not that McCain supporters would devalue the role of character, or perceptions of character, simply that at this time in the history of the world, the country, the party, and the movement, a center-right approach might have much to be said for it apart from specific candidates. It's not anti-intellectual or fascistic to suggest that having a dynamic figure to lead such a movement is helpful - a Schwarzenegger, a Sharon, a Sarkozy, a McCain...

But not a Romney, it seems. One commenter above pointed out that "Massachusetts was not considered to be left in very good fiscal shape by him (fair or not)." It's more than that. It sometimes seemed that Romney skipped over Massachusetts like a flat stone across a pond, having left hardly a ripple behind other than a health care plan that conservatives are less than sure about, and some technocratic adjustments and some economic "sales" that we're even less sure of. For a candidate running on executive experience and results, he seemed to have little to say about the primary episode of governance under his watch, other than vague allusions and a few points of social conservative pride. He was the anti-Giuliani in this respect, but it was no more helpful. It may seem unfair to Romney supporters, but a man of character strong enough to transform the US of A in the way he projected should have been able to at least to leave an imprint on Massachusetts.
eli writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 1:44 AM
Good Opening Act
For just appearing on the national scene, I think he did rather well looking and sounding the part. I think he will take a bit to see where he made mistakes and correct them. I think he is a personal and authentic guy, I've seen him in person, but during debates I was always wishing he would relax more and take some chances by acting more human. I would scream at the TV when I thought he should have taken McCain more to task on his horrid record. He needed to show some anger or disgust like we all feel when someone has disparraged us.

He also needed to tell us about the lessons he learned being in business 25 years, there are so many cool stories that he could have touted that would have endeared him more to people.

I think that his opening act will be a learning experience for him and that he will be back in 2012.

He needs Laura Ingrahm to be a part of that team.
MikeS writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 1:45 AM
There's a lot of reasons
Romney's lack of charisma, his inability to connect, but if I had to come up with the main reason, it's:

George W. Bush

Conservative talk radio and bloggers note Bush's unpopularity but don't realize how much it has come to reflect the Republican party. The time was perfect for someone who is seen as independent from the Republican establishment. That's why McCain won.

If I were McCain, I'd do my best to keep Bush away from the convention. Is that possible?
stacatto writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 1:48 AM
Gasbag
Patrick , you are a gasbag. Another navel gazer . What matters now has nothing to bo with Romney . It's over . It's time to evaluate the new challenge. It won't take 4 paragraphs . 1. the press will start a whisper campaign , health age etc. 2. Clinton / Obama. Work these out in your big brain....
Junkyard Dog writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 1:55 AM
McCain vs. Romney
This time the negative ads didn't work. McCain responded well against the attack machine of the right. He was out of money a half a year ago. Yet the far right kept attacking him. They brought him back from the "dead"
It was just like when the left attacked Lieberman in favor of Lamont.
Lamont is Romney now.
The establishment has spoken.
Griff writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 2:02 AM
The Real Mitt Romney
The real Mitt Romney is the man who took time out of a campaign to go help out a neighbor of his son in San Diego after the fires. The neighbor posted pictures of Mitt in jeans and an old tee shirt, shovel in hand, in the mud, digging out a huge tree root after the tree was destroyed by the fire.

I wrote to the Romney campaign and told them that Mitt needed to do less "well organized" campaign stops in the South and start doing community BBQs or something similar. He needed to let them see him having fun in a social setting they felt relaxed in themselves. Those old enough to remember, will remember how Lyndon Johnson was famous for some of his Texas downhome BBQ parties.

Heck with all Mitt's money, he should have sponsored a NASCAR car for the season. Mitt for President plastered on the hood.

The Kennedys had their perfect photo ops of their weekend touch football games, Bush has his ranch and his love for baseball, his Dad had golf and fishing, but what did we ever learn about what Mitt does to have fun?
Raja writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 2:02 AM
terrible analysis
i find it hilarious that a guy who was supporting Rudy Giuliani claims to be a "high information conservative." here's some analysis: being a true conservative requires a high degree of intellect - Americans, and especially Beltway-Boston insiders, are extremely stupid.
CDubber writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 2:03 AM
ProfessorX - seek psychiatric help
"THIS WEB SITE LED TO ROMNEY'S FALL!"

Wow, does your blog come with a free tinfoil hat? Masonic conspiracies? Really???

What a complete nutjob. And here I thought the Left had a monopoly on nutters.
Original Bigfoot writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 2:13 AM
Name recognition is all..
McCain had to stomp away from one failed Presidential bid already before he finally got his half-hearted nod this year..Romney went from absolutely nowhere to a close second on his first try.

The more I study the situation, and the more people I talk to, the more I am realizing that more people picked McCain out of the fear of Hillary Clinton than out of any real allegiance to McCain himself. Folks are simply putting electability over substance, which has lead to a year of choosing the lesser of two evils.

One person I know, who told me she voted for McCain in Florida, also said that she really wished Romney would have won Florida.

I wonder how many people somehow robotically pulled the lever for McCain simply because he's "been around", rather than voting for the less "comfortable" name of Romney, who hardly anyone nationally knew until last year?

The only consolation I have in this is that I happen to know the same woman voted for Bill Clinton twice, now is a registered Republican, and is vehemently opposed to Hillary.

For folks to be lambasting Romney simply because they view him as some "upstart" is disingenuous. By one count, so far in the primaries, McCain has recieved 4,700,000 votes to Mitt Romney's 4,000,000, with Huckabee lagging behind. A much closer spread than the delegate count would bely, and nearly half the nation hasn't even gotten to vote.

The fact that Romney went from being the little-known former Governor of a relatively small liberal eastern state, to the percieved Conservative standard bearer, in only a year, is quite a feat indeed.

McCain has had a 20 year head start, and has the advantage of being well known nationally.

Never mind that McCain's recognition is predicated upon the fact that he's often given Conservatives the proverbial "finger."

Strange days indeed.
Brett writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 2:14 AM
Stop the McCain/Hillary/Obama Amnesty
Vote for Huckabee.

Huckabee has signed the NumbersUSA NO Amnesty Pledge.

McCain refuses to rule out Amnesty after he "seals" the border and builds the "Damn Fence". So what if the Democratic Congress doesn't give him money for the fence, what will poor Johnny do then?

At least Huckabee has a plan to require ALL illegal invaders to go home and get in line like the other 20 million immigrants that are waiting legally.

If Amnesty is passed by McCain/Hillary/Obama in 2009 and rewards 12 to 20 million POOR illegal invaders, say GOODBYE to ANY future Conservative Presidents or Conservative Congress for the rest of your lives.

Remember Democrats pander to the POOR with your Tax Dollars and are rewarded with the votes of the POOR.

No thanks John McCain, if Amnesty is going to be passed let the blame fall solely on the Democrats.
Crispian writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 2:22 AM
Patrick Ruffini
You are completely on the mark. I've been a faithful McCain supporter, but I felt Romney ran a flawless campaign. Even the negative ads helped him more than they hurt him I think.

His intellect is impressive. I just had a hard time accepting what he said as his genuine beliefs. This credibility issue combined with representing a narrow segment of the party led to his demise. My respect of him has risen, despite his more irksome qualities.

Excellent post, Patrick.
Griff writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 2:27 AM
Re: Huckabee
According to Karl Rove's analysis tonight, Huckabee would have to take 83% of all remaining outstanding delegates to win over McCain, Romney would have needed 60%. Both impossible to achieve. Romney looked at the numbers and knew there was no chance, so he suspended his campaign and kept his control over his 294 delegates until the Convention. What Huck thinks he can accomplish by staying in, I can't fathom, but like Rove said, he can stay as long as he and supporters want to, its his right.
Adair writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 2:30 AM
Regarding low information conservatives
I enjoyed your analysis!

You got me thinking about bringing these "low-information conservative voters into the fold."

I would posit that they are already in the fold. These are the voters that have such little information that they don't know about McCain-Feingold, Kennedy-McCain, the Gang of Fourteen, the "maverick," opposition to Bush tax cuts, etc.

They're here.
Original Bigfoot writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 2:34 AM
McCain a "Nut Case"?
"Kafka writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 1:36 AM

McCain has always seemed like a nut case to me. The guy has so much anger inside him that I cannot believe that we are proposing that he be the commander in chief. The great thing about him as president it should be quite amusing to watch him go apoplectic."

During those times, let's just hope Secretary of State Lieberman is able to successfully hide from McCain that briefcase President Bush is going to leave behind, the one with the big red button inside that Dubya had re-labeled "Nucular Bombs" back in 2001.

Eh?


Mormons4Huckabee writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 2:59 AM
TrueHawk nailed it-Talk radio bias
I wanted to echo what TrueHawk stated as the reasons for Romney's loss. I am a Huckabee voter and was so furious at the extreme bias of Hugh, Laura, Rush, Sean, and all other media in bed with Romney. THEY played the religion card by making any vote for Huckabee or McCain as a vote "against Romney." The biggest lie in this campaign is the claims of anti Mormon bigotry causing Romney's loss. EVs voted more for OTHER candidates than for Huckabee. Romney did very well with EVs. Now compare that to Huckabee in Utah. He scored a 2% vote and Romney 90%. Hmmmm, who are the bigots????
There is such hateful Huckabee rhetoric coming out of LDS forums that it's disturbing. I have seen Mormons claim that God sent the tornadoes to the States that Huckabee won. It's sick.
Huckabee is called an Anti Mormon bigot by every LDS I know. It's frustrating that the media will not report on this. It has hurt our party because now LDS say they will vote Obama or sit out.

Talk radio is to blame for the Mormon outrage.
They let Mormons believe any vote for Huckabee or McCain was "anti Mormon." LDS already have a persecution complex so further inflaming it 12 hours a day didn't help.
They won't be able to repair the damage.
Will88 writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 3:05 AM
I agree with most of Patrick's analysis.
I think another major factor, one that might have lessened some of the problems Pat identified, is the absurd amount of time and money the candidates spend in Iowa and NH. That needs to end, and a move to several voting days with a mix of states, red and blue, different regions, etc., each voting day.

Had Romney (and others) not had to spend so much time in those two states, he'd have made more appearances in the south, and run more ads, and become known to more people. The same for the Midwest and other regions. He is an outstanding candidate, and his few shortcomings are not serious, and the more one sees him, the more comfortable people in other regions would have become.

With more time in other regions, he would have won more votes, and maybe enough to win. Being in the South, I think the Iowa/NH overkill deprives many in other parts of the country the opportunity to get to know the candidates better.

And, I agree completely that Romney won most of us agenda wonks, but most voters form their judgments based on much less exposure to the candidates. Ending the Iowa/NH circuses would be a benefit to typical voters not in those states.
laborlawyer writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 3:08 AM
Junkyard dog
Romney = Lamont. I've been thinking that too. Our side's idiot bloggers tried to call the tune last year and got slapped down hard. Same thing happened on the right this year. Americans, it seems, have a good track record of rejecting the extremes on either side.
Will88 writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 3:16 AM
Another point
I think Patrick's analysis also helps explain another aspect of the campaign: what happened to immigration as a hot issue. I expect many voters didn't follow that debate, and many didn't have any clear idea of how each candidate stood on illegal immigration, or what bills they had supported in the past.

Many open borders types won't to say the voters didn't really care about illegal immigration. More likely, many of them just didn't know where the candidates stood, and might be very unhappy next year when the issue reappears.
just me writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 3:21 AM
Kudos, Mitt, "not-so-bad" a job done!
And best of luck to him next time, since presidential politics sometimes rewards those who have paid their dues through having tested the waters previously.

So, sure, by all means, Mitt, do keep at...well, public service, political advocacy and also considering another run for our nation's highest office: as, ya can't win if ya don't play!

Of course, you will not only have to have a good product (good ideas and abilities at their execution), you will have to have spectaculary salemanship (the political "X factor"!)

Hey, the REAL difference between lonely crusader Barry Goldwater and "big tent conservative revivalist" Ronald Reagan was Reagan's greater mastery of "the people stuff"--namely such things (among many others) as the "magnanimousnous" exhibited by means of Reagan's eleventh commandment.

That is, if somebody is going to run as a movement conservative, they would be best to simply talk about their positions in an upbeat way without so much negatively characterizing others' records.

Still, Mitt's achievement of first runner-up is not such a bad showing. With what Mitt had (itty bitty name recognition; sometimes-brilliant, sometimes-lame political skills), he did pretty good.


bryce3 writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 3:25 AM
Sorry JUST ME but I have to disagree.
Romney spent over a million dollars a delegate and got half as many votes NATIONWIDE as either Obama or Clinton is California alone. I would say that in the parlance of Mitt 'Offshore Tax Haven' Romney, that was a dismal return on his investment.
Mormons4Huckabee writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 3:29 AM
Michael Medved-fair & balanced
I was a loyal Hugh, Laura, and Sean fan until the hateful rhetoric against Huckabee and McCain. They have all lost me as a listener because their behavior was IRRESPONSIBLE and childish. I don't respect any of them now. I heard Laura Ingraham yelling hatred when a Huckabee supporter called in. That was the final straw for me.
Thankfully Michael Medved remained honest and fair throughout this Primary. His show has been so flooded with callers who are furious at talk radio right now that they wouldn't take my call.

The bias is what encouraged me to get involved and volunteer with the Huckabee camp. It was so miraculous that McCain and Huckabee survived the impossible odds and with little money.

I did not understand the smear campaign against Huckabee who is a CONSISTENT conservative on family values and supports the Fair Tax. Romney was given a free pass on his liberal record and extreme conservative makeover. The brain washing against McCain everyday was disturbing. I am not one for conspiracy theories but I do believe something $ had to be going on behind the scenes.

There are Romniacs saying the "flip flopping" issue was a cover up for anti Mormon bigotry.
It's insanity! The answer can't possibly be that we chose the candidate who best represents our values and political views.




Topcat writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 4:40 AM
CDubber Just do the Math
"CDubber writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 1:37 AM
Topcat
"Privately Democratic strategists were rooting for Romney to run against."

That's funny, because every Democratic strategist I ever saw interviewed on *national TV* said McCain was the one they feared.

Now *why* would they broadcast that for everyone to hear if it were actually true?"

Forget about conspiracy theories and getting your information or misinformation from TV. We can agree that Romney had an initial money advantage. However, if you just divide the votes Romney got per his dollar spent on his campaign you can get an impact value or lift number. It is essentially an efficiency metric in campaigns, you can be sure Romney has run the numbers. Compare to other candidates. By running these numbers you are able to equalize the measurement of campaigns. Bottom line is Romney's lift was/is extremely poor, possibly the worst of any candidate (I haven't run them all). This was not a one state phenomena but an ongoing problem. Regardless of the amount of money a low lift as a result of an inauthentic message gets you a losing campaign. It was the same when Coca Cola changed the formula on Coke and came out with New Coke. Despite millions of advertising telling consumers it was a better Coke their taste buds told them otherwise and they discontinued the product. Just as Coke felt they had to adjust their formula to mirror the sweeter taste of Pepsi, Romney adjusted his formula to seem more conservative-same problem people weren’t buying. It was wise of Romney to pull out when he did, he would have burned through another $15 to $30 million of his own money and got zip. Better to save it for another day.
Evergreen State Guy writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 4:43 AM
Romney's Farewell Speech
Like him or not, you have to read or hear this speech if you haven't yet.

http://mittromney.com/News/Press-Releases/CPAC_Address

I found it to be one of the greatest speeches I have heard in quite a while. If you are a real Romney supporter, you should print a copy to save.

After reading it, I just am astounded that McCain was always elevated so much higher. So many sad and misguided people in our country.
Patriotic Liberal writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 5:05 AM
Thanks, Pat, for making my case..
..today's "conservatives" are like Oprah Winfrey, and probably moral relativists to boot. Pat writes: "Country Music Conservatives — and frankly, most voters outside the Beltway swamp — don’t listen to your words; they listen to your tone of voice as you’re delivering those words. Do you get angry when you should? What’s your sense of humor like? For social conservatives, are you grounded in faith? And ultimately, are you the real deal? This has nothing to do with being right on issues. It has everything to do with being authentic."

The underlying assumption is that you can tell if a guy is the "real deal" by his "tone of voice" pretty much sizes up this generation of conservatives. All flimflam, no content--unless substance is defined as "authenticity" like: "ooooo, he believes in Jesus," or "oooooo, he told Leahy to go f--k himself." It is idiotic, and it is why Boomer conservatism is the other half of this deeply disgraceful generation. At least when the Boomer left was making mistakes, they were kids, for crying out loud.
Will88 writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 5:11 AM
Evergreen State Guy
"After reading it, I just am astounded that McCain was always elevated so much higher. So many sad and misguided people in our country."

I think this topic really hits on a key factor, and many voters might be "agenda conservatives", and "low information conservatives" Hypoinformed, the normal informed and the hyperinformed might also fit.

I'd bet serious money that McCain got many votes from people seriously opposed to illegal immigration, but who don't know what part he played in last summer's debate, or what views he holds now. And Romney made great strides, but many still just didn't know enough about him. (I think he would do much better in, say, 2012.)

Many people are voting based on party, and then a few impressions of the leading candidates.

I doubt there is any way to change that to any significant degree.




kyle writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 5:25 AM
Romney will be back!
All of the serious gripes about Romney are untrue, inconsequential or at least surmountable. The man is a capable intelligent leader with true character. He should have ended his CPAC with "I'll be back!". Of course without the Schwarzeniger accent.
alittlechild writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 5:36 AM
Generalities are your downfall
When you think in the generalities you've outlined here, no wonder you will end up with "leadership" that hands the keys of the kingdom over to your enemies and claim that its in your best interest.

This country is so far down the left fork of the road now it can't even think straight, with McCain't and Huckleberry driving even further leftward, and moderates are jubilantly crowing about how they are sooo glad that they aren't extreme! How ridiculous is that? When the main political chip to play is, "I'm a middle of the road compromiser, everyone can get along with me"?

Truly a study in the useful idiot department.
John Konop writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 6:23 AM
Glenn Beck to Vote for Hillary

Glenn Beck to Vote for Hillary if McCain is GOP Nominee

WATCH VIDEO

http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/glenn-beck-to-vote -for-hillary-if-mccain-is-gop-nominee
DP1617 writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 6:25 AM
Romney approached election like a CEO
Romney's approach was like a corporate takeover. He won the Board of Directors (the talking heads) and expected the employees to follow. Unfortunately for him, the employees here get to vote on the CEO. They voted on trustworthiness, likability, values. Teddy-land mattered to some - enough. LDS mattered to some - enough. Changed stances mattered to some - enough.
Boomshak writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 6:37 AM
Romney for VP: Pluses and Minuses
I have been sitting here pondering the possibility that John McCain could tap Romney to be his VP. There are obvious pluses and minuses to each man in this. Let's discuss them:

PLUSES:
1. Gravitas - McCain is strong on Defense, International Relations and How Washington Works. Romney is strong on Economics and understanding How Business Works.
2. Experience - McCain/Romney's Experience - Together, these men make Hillary or Obama look like the neophytes they are. Considering that America has not elected anyone but a Governor or Former VP for 40 years, EXPERIENCE does count in the end.
3. Money - Romney can raise money and McCain needs it badly.
4. The Base - Many within the Conservative base that will NEVER vote for McCain (myself included) would vote for a McCain/Romney ticket.
5. Winning Ticket - With McCain appealing to Indepedents and Romney appealing to Conservatives, this ticket might actually stand a chance.
6. Age Argument - Having Romney onboard helps to calm the MSM frenzy on the "McCain is too old" meme.
7. Temperment - Having Romney onboard also helps to balance McCain's temperment.

MINUSES:
1. Bad Blood - Oh well, Reagan/Bush weren't lovers either. That's politics.
2. Who Delivers the South? - This may be the biggest problem of all. Without the South, a Republican ticket cannot win. Will Southerners ever vote en masse for a Mormon? Well, maybe with the combination of McCain and Romney, they would. Huck won the South, but he didn't win with a majority anywhere.
3. Ticket on the Titanic - By allying himself with McCain would Romney be buying himself a ticket on a doomed ship and thus hurt his chances for 2012?
charlie writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 6:48 AM
Given MCVain's famous temper
and his paranoid delusions, coupled with unbriddled vindictiveness, stubborn arrogance beyond anything we've seen to date out of GWB, and "I know more than anyone about (fill in the blank)" can you imagine the lack of self-esteem his Veep would need to survive in a McVain administration (or perhaps the greatest ambition ever seen in a man/woman).
Boomshak writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 6:49 AM
$1,000,000 a Delegate?
Huh?

Where did you learn math? I keep hearing this BS about how "Romney spent over $1 Million a Delegate".

So let's see, that's 286 Delegates x $1,000,000 = $286,000,000???

Um, no, Romney spent nowhere near that.
MrBushmills writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 7:19 AM
Ruffini
Romney came in second when, for conservatives, there isn't a first. Not bad. It's impossible to know the heart of a man, but I believe he was sincere, so his cosmetic failings, wooden, uncharismatic, or his professional success (I though we wanted someone like that?)were all human. were It is better to try to be conservative than to Clinton-ize the term by redefining it.
We left the GOP on Wednesday (vbushmills.townhall.com)so only care whither the Constitution and true conservatism goeth, but we applaude Mitt Romney, for in losing, he did expose the dishonest rot that dwells within the GOP. Watching Tweedles Dee and Dum vie for control of a sinking ship, we do know of a sturdy skiff that is still seaworthy.
See you on the shore.
dantana writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 7:23 AM
Rush exposed
Talk radio has been exposed as not having the influence they thought they had.

I guess Republicans do think for themselves, unlike Democrats who seem to be hypnotized by the cult of Obama.

roho writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 8:20 AM
STILL IN DENIAL?
Just accept the reality that the GOP is NO LONGER a conservative movement!....Watch the migration to the Constitution Party.
AmericanWoman writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 8:33 AM
Grow up, dantana.
You are parroting other people who are dishonestly trying to steer an election and you think nobody notices, get real or get lost. This is the real world out here and we don't owe it to you to spoil you rotten like your parents did. You kids who have piled all over the internet under some pretense of campaigning are helping no one, if you can't think for yourselves and talk something besides cheese. Talk radio does not INFLUENCE us, they are REFLECTING us. Go get a dictionary or something and learn how to read.
Janeway writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 8:35 AM
Romney 2012
You make good points. Perhaps Republican just have too many good old boys & girls to get a really good President. Reagan was the only one that could do it because he was an actor and had the Cowboy thing down. All this about not being authentic or phony is silly. No Mitt cannot be an authentic "good ol' boy", or the Ol' war hero, that guy you want to have a beer with. Using that logic we have elected us a lot of less than perfect in the White House. Bill Clinton is a prime example. He did get the votes of educated informed voters but between the media hit jobs and the "Good ol' boys" in the Washington Establishment it may have been impossible but when the Good ol' boys have lost their jobs, taxes have gone up, and the Middle East is a nightmare, they will overlook the fact that he is not one of them. If Mitt had been a liberal and a Democrat, he would be the nominee. JFK all over. Look at Obama. The media knew all this and hammered over and over. You got you a crazy old guy that doesn't represent you except under duress but he is authentic! The press is happy, the Democrats are really happy, and you have been proven right. Welcome to the Wilderness.
Super bowl writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 8:43 AM
Mitt Romney
It sickens me to listen to Rush, Sean, Laura, and Mark Levin try to tell us conservatives how great Mitt Romney is. I do not believe for a second that Ronald Reagan would have supported Romney. Mitt Romney is a PHONEY and always will be. I'll go with Mccain and take my chances.
MaineConservative writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 8:46 AM
Wow, such intellegence here!
This morning I have read through some of these posts and I am astounded with the number of experts we have here. What Romney did wrong, what he should have done, what did him in. HeHe was doomed from the start.

The man has dropped out. He was gracious and courageous to the end. He gave a great speech. Can't we leave it at that? What is the point now of you anti-Romney people continuing to try and dissect him and pound him into the ground, unles maybe you are afraid you haven't seen the last of him.

Believe me, if he is as bad a candidate as you guys portray him as, you should have no fear of him in the future, so bashing him now seems pointless to me.

If, however, you are wrong about him, which I firmly believe, he will reemerge as the man who will eventually restore the conservative values to the GOP. This is a man with impeccable credentials - intellectually superior to anyone still running, experience in the private sector proving he understands the economy and the ability to get things done, turning around failing companies, creating jobs, turning around a failing Olympics. Furturemore, he is a man of integrity and honesty.

My prediction is you have not seen the last of this great man, which is my hope.

Just my humble opinion.
AmericanWoman writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 8:49 AM
They don't want Washington cleaned up.
They don't want Washington cleaned up, they just proved it on both sides.

That CPAC convention yesterday was peppered with young McCain supporters who were cheering him on, no matter what he said. That's the kind of tricks the Clintons pull. I was real impressed with the applause for McCain's stance on immigration, too. Those weren't conservatives, who are you kidding?
bigkam writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 8:53 AM
Re: American Woman
Yes, there were McCain supporters there cheering him on. But if you actually saw any of the actual crowd footage, there were quite a few moments where MANY in the crowd were cheering loudly. Those who didn't, probably wouldn't cheer McCain if God himself had appeared on stage with him to give an endorsement. Such is the childishness of some in the conservative movement.
AmericanWoman writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 8:56 AM
What do the lynch mobs do now?
You are so right, MaineConservative, and now that Romney is out of the picture, their campaign of deceit and abuse has no decent person to kick around. That's all they had going for them and these sheeple don't know what else to do, because they weren't thinking for themselves to begin with. They act like those lynch mobs in the Wild West.
PC writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 9:07 AM
Most comments here are dead wrong
There are some major factors most are ignoring here. Romney could not overcome 3 things, although his efforts to do so were extraordinary.

1. The MSM/DNC, the GOP amnesty elite, and anti-Mormonism. All 3 combined were enough to take out the best candidate in many years.

The MSM sowed the first doubts about religion, and then the failing Huck saw his only chance at the limelight. He exploited anti-Mormon sentiment among some evangelicals. It was enough, along with making himself God's candidate with the floating cross, Christian leader crap. (How stupid are those voters, anyway?) Like Coulter say, DO SOME RESEARCH!

The MSM knew from day one that Romney was the most formidable candidate. They hit Romney harder than anyone, but gave an enormous amount of positive free press (millions) to both McCain and Huck. Anyone who believes the left fear McCain (or Huck, LOL) are drinking some mighty strong koolaid. How do you explain the 100 DNC press releases on Romney as opposed to a handful for McCain and Huck? Please - someone tell me? There's only one logical conclusion, folks. On paper, in appearances, in debates, Romney shone brighter than anyone but Rudy. The two won EVERY debate. The rest were roadkill.

McCain had the GOP elites and amnesty crowd on his side and always has. Fighting the establishment on this one was impossible. Romney was too much of an outsider and threatened business as usual. Power is ALL they care about, not what is best for the country. So, say hello to more of the same old, same old, where our values and priorities mean squat.

Yep, my party is the stupid party. The man who was the ringleader of Shamnesty is now our faithful leader!
AmericanWoman writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 9:09 AM
To bigkam... true to a point.
Yes, they did cheer *a few* of the things he said, you are correct, but the rest of the time it was just applause from plants brought there by the McCain campaign. It was obvious and verified by conservatives who were there and pretty disgusted when they came out.
Jacob the Syrian Hamster writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 9:15 AM
Low-information conservatives?
A synopsis of this post: "Romney lost because you're all stupid and ignorant."

Patrick, you have linked to my blog from time to time on your site and I really appreciate that. I've been very snarky here when commenting on your posts and I will now try to stop that.

It wasn't low-information conservatives what did him in. It was Mitt Romney. We don't like Mitt. The more money he spent and the more we got to know him, the less we liked him. His net favorable rating declined as time went on. That's a mathematical fact.

His conversion to conservative principles at age 55 or so was completely implausible and his sliming of his opponents was repulsive. And for me, this blog had a lot to do with my rabid opposition to Romney. Hugh acted as Mitt's attack dog. There was no way Mitt didn't know what was going on.

Hugh's endless knifings of the other candidates sickened me to the point of railing against Hugh and Mitt every chance I got.

Again, the more I got to know them, the less I liked them. That does not bode well for Mitt's future.
PC writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 9:17 AM
Another thing about Romney
He is not a life-long politician, like those he's running against - and to my mind this is to his credit. But he was never entirely comfortable in the role. He's a leader, a statesman, but not a politician. What some saw as stiff, inauthentic, plastic or whatever was just the fact that he is better at making the right things happen (leadership), rather than giving rote stump speeches (politician).

However, I personally thought his speeches and debate performances were better than the pap coming out of McCain or Huck. McCain has about 3 phrases that he repeats over and over, no matter what the questions were, and Huck gives simpleton one-liners that are meaningless and silly. Romney has more IQ than the both of them combined, and people who are serious about selecting the best man could easily see that. About the only thing I agree with Patrick on was the "low-information" voter. We have far, far too many of them.

Romney was the most substantial, conservative and talented man running. What a terrible loss for the party and the country.
Thaale writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 9:22 AM
Good post, Patrick
I can only add a few things to it. One is the military factor. Time and again we saw McCain outperform expectations in places such as South Carolina and certain areas of Florida (Tampa, the panhandle) with high concentrations of veterans. This factor was never properly taken into account in the “urban conservative” analyses and projections, as veterans are underrepresented in that group compared to their presence in the party as whole.

• The experts forgot the conservatism of conservative voters. Meaning, with the average voter it isn’t, as it is with CPAC, about who is mouthing the right platitudes right now, but who has the longest and most consistent record of conservatism. That loyalty factor gave Huckabee, Thompson, and McCain advantages over Romney with the social conservatives.

• Becoming the “GOP establishment candidate” was a mixed blessing at best. Many of us see the GOP brain trust as being a good counter-indicator of the best candidate. The party insiders have an awful record of wrongly preferring Ford to Reagan, Bush 41 to Reagan, Bush 43 to McCain, and, yes, Dole to Forbes.

• Finally all of what Patrick NOW sees was always obvious to many typical citizens down here at ground level. Many even said it. The idea could never percolate upwards to the main “center right” opinion makers precisely because they themselves are the atypical urban conservatives. This calls into question the whole idea of the new media.

And it suggests that an unfortunate parallel to the MSM exists in the center-right blogosphere. Just as many MSM opinion makers might actually not be acquainted with anyone who voted for George W Bush and thus have a distorted view of what the everyday American actually believes, I get the feeling that many of the most well-known center right voices don’t actually know anyone who could have voted for Mike Huckabee.
PC writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 9:22 AM
Oh yeah, one more thing
The flip-flop charge the MSM started, stuck to Romney. It was the perfect example of repeating a lie enough to make it believable. The truth is that McCain HAS FAR MORE FLIP-FLOPS than Romney, and so does the Huckster - not that he's relevant now. My gosh, Huck changed his immigration stand AFTER his rise in the polls - less than 2 months ago! Nobody said a word.

In all my research I learned that Romney was a straight-up conservative governor. I challenged folks to find one thing he did that was NOT conservative. Granted, his rhetoric when he ran for the senate (1994) and for governor was not conservative. But his actions as governor were.

(As opposed to the actions of both McCain and Huck. Sheesh!)
PokerGuy writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 9:25 AM
40 years
...of poor liberal education are paying off. It's all about how you *feel*. Intellect, accomplishment, logic, analytics - unimportant remnants of a white male patriarchy.

Little Kevin and little Britney want to feel included, part of the herd, self-important. Romney doesn't appeal to this type and is thus criticized for being cold, unfeeling, etc. Huckey and Obama do so naturally, or at least have built their appeal around feel-good with the occasional snippet of issues. Clinton works at it; tears, you know. McCain connects through his underlying anger (and 30 years of acquiring political favors and media gloss doesn't hurt either).

Logical, objective problem solving that was considered indicative of adult behavior 50 years ago is out of style, is in fact actively discouraged from an early age by a key institution (public education) that has moved to the left and is inhabited by mostly liberal/feminist types. Dems want to keep it this way and will fight any attempts to change.

Little wonder then that this societal shift is reflected in voting behavior of all but the "true" conservatives (read old-fashioned values and classic approach to issues). Welcome to a world where one is rewarded for simply existing, and allowing Nanny to control your life, extinguish your natural inclinations and dole out unearned benefits is called "belonging".
MrBushmills writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 9:37 AM
TO PC and American Woman
I like what you said, AM, good insights. Keep pluggin'.
As for PC, we note that the MSM has finally completed their long sought-after third leg of the Triple Crown, after having elected a president by keeping hidden his dangerous private sexual predelictions, then removing another by making the getaway driver in a third rate burglary out to be the real felon, and now, by having actual selected the losing candidate for a political party they despise.
(A fourth leg will be added to the Triple Crown... Quadraplegic Crown?...when the same MSM totally erases the nice picture of that naminee between now and November.)
PC writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 9:38 AM
I rest my case
Just read over at politico all about McCain's flip-flops. How come we didn't hear about them before today? Hmmm . . .

We haven't heard ANYTHING truthful about McCain at all, yet. But . . . wait for it . . . it's coming any second.

Those who said the MSM was propping McCain are going to be proven right in a matter of a few more hours, because they sure ain't gonna keep doing it!
Doug Santo writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 9:57 AM
The Fall of Romney, Inc.
That was a rambling, poorly organized, tribute to Romney. It described Romney's great success in all aspects of his campaign. It gave reasons why Romney is not the nominee.

I think it was Mark Twain who said:

"There are reasons and there are results"

McCain is the nominee and republican candidate for President of the United States.

Get over Romney and start supporting McCain!

To the cry baby conservatives I say:

Suck it up and get back in the game. We need you. The country needs you. Support the republican candidate for President.

Doug Santo
Pasadena, CA
MaineConservative writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 10:01 AM
Thaale and Jacob
I respect your opinions, but I have to say I think you are wrong. Romney brought, and will continue to bring, significant strengths to the party. No candidate will every receive 100% of the support. You guys don't like Mitt, but I believe there are more, especially after yesterday's speech, who do like him and see the potential of great leadership that he possesses.

He will be back, and you guys will not like him then either, but I think next time, as Americans see his qualities, he will be a future leader of this country.

I have become weary of the constant comparison of each candidate to Ronald Reagan. Reagan was, in my opinion, the best president of my lifetime, but that was 30 years ago and the country and the world has changed. Romney may not be Ronald Reagan but I think he has was we need at this point in our history. Superior intellect, a proven record of success both in the private sector and in government, and integrity and honesty.

I don't see what's not to like, and I think America will see they missed an opportunity this time around and will not miss it next time.
CDubber writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 10:02 AM
laborlawyer
"CDubber, OTOH, is the kind of talk show listener Patrick is talking about here- liberals are all a bunch of liars, the MSM is hiding behind every rock, etc. ad nauseum."

This isn't a nutty conspiracy theory, it's politics and common sense. In a competition, do you *ever* want your competitors to know what you're really thinking? Of course not. Any idiot should know that if DNC strategists are openly telling everyone on the news channels, shouting it from the rooftops as it were, that they would *hate* to have to run against McCain, that it's a feint. This isn't anti-liberal paranoia; Republican strategists would do the same thing. Surely a lawyer, if indeed you are one, would understand this simple concept.

Then again, apparently many GOP voters aren't quite as smart as "any idiot," so all went according to plan.
get real writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 10:05 AM
Just had to get one more jab?
I agree with the poster who asked what the point is to try and attack Romney one more time now that he is out of the race. By the way, he was liked more and more as people got to know him. In many states, he started with single digit numbers and finished in the 30s or 40s in each state he competed in. Take Minnesota for example, he won with something like 40+% of the vote but in a survey done just last September he was in the low teens. And one factor which was not discussed is non-republicans voting in republican primaries. Even in Florida, a closed race, 17% of the voters identified themselves as Independent and 3% as Democrats. Not much different from the open race in South Carolina where 18% identified themselves as Independent and 2% as Democrats. Since, in Florida one could register to vote in the primary as late as Dec. 31, it is no wonder that it was not really a "closed" race. The party elite have proven they are more interested in getting independents and moderates than conservatives. They figure conservatives have no where else to go so we will just fall in line and obey. Maybe if we all became independents they would be try to win our vote again.
AnimalFarm1984 writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 10:10 AM
RE: Griff
It's not about the 83% number, it's about the 51% number that it would take for Huckabee to force a battle at the convention. McCain will lock him in as VP long before it gets to that.

Add in the Dobson endorsement from yesterday and you see the Huckabee end game is shaping up. If you want support from Evangelicals and Dobson's to stop vowing not to vote for McCain, you'll have to take Huckabee.

Expect McCain to announce his VP plans long before the convention. He'll be able to get the ball rolling while the Democrats fight it out. Huckabee can get out their on the stump, fund raise, and push the McCain/Huckabee ticket.

Whatever you think about Huckabee, you'll have to admit he has run an amazing campaign. Running with almost no money, he'll have a spot on the ticket. If McCain wins in November, he'll be in perfect position for a run in 4 to 8 years.
lo writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 10:11 AM
SELF INDULGENT MIKE HUCKABEE SHOULD
PUT HIS EGO ON A DIET! He has no sense of reality & that's another reason not to vote for him. Last night on Hannity & Colmes, Karl Rove showed on an erasable board how it's impossible for Huckabee to win. IMPOSSIBLE!

Mitt Romney was farther ahead & had a realistic chance to win...the math/statistics prove it!

Huckabee obviously doesn't have the nations well being at hand like Mitt Romney does. As Romney addressed the issues of libralism & global jihad he stated in his speech to CPAC...
"...If this were only about me, I would go on. But I entered this race because I love America, and because I love America, I feel I must now stand aside, for our party and for our country."

Instead of self indulgent Huckabee "waking up to reality" I understand the bafoon hit the late night talk show circit again. He loves the limelight.

HUCKABEE'S speech should be,..."THIS IS ONLY ABOUT ME, I'M GOING ON. SINCE I ENTERED THIS RACE BECAUSE I LOVE MYSELF AND BECAUSE I LOVE MYSELF,I FEEL I MUST KEEP GOING ON FOR MYSELF."

SELF INDULGENT MIKE HUCKABEE NEEDS TO PUT HIS EGO ON A DIET

SELF INDULGENT MIKE HUCKABEE IS IN THIS FOR HIMSELF...NOT AMERICA!!!

MaineConservative writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 10:12 AM
Doug
May I suggest that calling those conservatives who have serious reservations and anger about McCain, and rightly so I might add, cry bady conservatives may not be the best way to approach them (us) if you really are serious about needing them.
Goldwater writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 10:15 AM
Fred Thompson did his Job for McCain
Fred Thompson got in the race to keep people from going to Romney and they did.

Fred Thompson got in the race to see McCain nominated and he completed his task brilliantly.
PC writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 10:16 AM
Sorry Doug
We cry babies aren't going to eat the crap sandwich offered. We'd rather go hungry until we're offered something better.

No amount of shouting, cajoling, pleading or browbeating is going to change the fact that conservatives who care about THE COUNTRY, (as opposed to the party) will not vote for the backstabbing, liberal policy-loving, cross-the-aisle-for-100th time conservative hating, nasty and vindictive little man who was once a POW.

Ain't. Gonna. Happen. Good luck in Nov.
inchdeep writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 10:18 AM
TrueHawk
"6. Many Huck voters in the south were so angry at Rush and Sean and Laura for their "overkill" bashing of Huck and Mac that they abandoned Romney who they saw as being in cahoots with the radio chatterati."

Huck needed, and still needs, what you call "bashing." I call it telling the truth about him. He is, was, and will always be a phony. His religious bigotry precludes him from any high office. And as for the "radio chatterati" you should thank God for them. With out talk radio the conservative movement would be dead, and you would have no message boards to post you stupid postmortem.
sugar writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 10:18 AM
The Huckabee mystery
The only thing of interest left in this election to me may be the Huckabee candidacy. The whole run strikes me as very odd. Why does the MSM hardly lay a glove on him? If the Governor is the real deal regarding his faith, why does he get a pass? GW makes the odd reference to his faith, and the left screams that Christian totalitarianism is days away. Did the question of gay marriage appear in any debate? Why not? I try to keep my tin foil hat on all the time, but this whole thing is weird. Did anyone notice the sequence on Medved? At first he trumpeted and defended Huck keeping his endorsement of McCain out of sight. When he finally went public on his support of McCain, he continued to trumpet Huck. One factional threat to McCain were the possible value voters. People who have a problem with stem cell research and abortion (Wisconsin Right to Life), might not line up behind McCain. So how do you keep a critical mass forming in opposition to McCain? You draw off some of the values voters with a diversion candidate. Realistically, Huck is unlikely to pull many votes outside of the Bible belt, but he'll surely pull the South well, and he's done that. It's hard to believe this was all choreographed from the beginning, but if it was, it was brilliant. Watch where Huck goes now. Will he push values issues? Will he ever be villified by the press as a Christian fundamentalist? Will he ever have a real dispute with McCain? Watch it.
Justamere10 writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 10:18 AM
Jabbing the conservatives...
I was astonished when Steve Forbes, who is affiliated with the conservative Heritage Foundation, endorsed McCain.

I made some inquiries and was told that Forbes was supporting Giuliani and when Giuliani dropped out he insisted that his supporters back McCain.

Just another example of how to jab grassroots conservatives. Forbes must have known the heart of the GOP was pulsing for Romney.

I personally think that if McCain would quickly announce that Romney's his running mate it would solidify the party and give us a chance in the national election.

Paul and Huckabee need to drop out right away so we can get to work defeating the Dems. It was noble of Romney to suspend his campaign for his party and America.
PC writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 10:20 AM
Goldwater
I hope that is not true, but I think it probably is. Same for Rudy. Look at the way neither never put up any kind of a fight. Rudy could have challenged McCain in NY, NJ, and CA - only staying in one more week! But he walked away without a wimper.

Justamere10 writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 10:21 AM
We can still win...
Mitt Romney did the noble thing by suspending his campaign for his party and for America.

Here is what he said at CPAC:

"If I fight on in my campaign all the way to the convention I would forestall the launch of a national campaign and make it more likely that Senator Clinton or Obama would win. And in this time of war, I simply cannot let my campaign be a part of aiding a surrender to terror.

"This is not an easy decision for me. I hate to lose. My family, my friends and our supporters – many of you right here in this room – have given a great deal to get me where I have a shot at becoming President. If this were only about me, I would go on. But I entered this race because I love America, and because I love America, I feel I must now stand aside, for our party and for our country."

Now if there was only some nobility in Huckabee and Paul we'd lick our wounds and get to work right away to make sure the next President is a Republican.
Rush Conservative for Huck/2012 writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 10:26 AM
Settle down Lo
Not more than 4 days ago, it was theorized and virtually trumpeted from every voice on this blog that Huckabee was a blocker and a stooge for McCain. Here is a little bit of logic for you guys.

If there was a deal between McCain and Huckabee, Mike would have dropped out also, since his so-called mission, stopping Romney, is acomplished.

However, Mike has not dropped out, hence, there is no deal between McCain and Huckabee. Huckabee is his own man. I think he is staying in for legitimate reasons. His followers, a group of which I am proud to be a member, are enthusiastic and devoted to him. I would be disappointed if he got out now.

The mischaracterizations of Mike as McCain's stooge, a religious bigot, hillbilly, and numerous other iterations have only galvanized those who have studied the man, his record, and his platform. Huckabee and his supporters believe him to be the most conservative candidate for the republicans . (I would give props to Fred though for being a solid conservative.)

Please, abstain from the character assassinations and distortions that claim that Huckabee is a liberal. He governed with conservative principles. He was not perfect. He is not Reagan. (The truth is Reagan was not the mythical Reagan we hope for now.) Mike is for smaller government, lower taxes, 2nd Amendment freedoms, Life, Traditional Marriage. He clearly understands the war we are in and would be strong on Illegal immigration.

Mike can keep McCain from getting the 1191 delegates he needs, A difficult task, but not impossible. I propose that Romney supporters vote for Huck and get us to a brokered convention where Huck and Romney pool their delegates and run on the same ticket.
cjb56 writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 10:40 AM
Romney
It's absurd he is being lionized as a champion of conservatism, a la Ronald Reagan in 1976.

"What have you done for Conservatism, lately?" -- Laura Ingraham's lame slap at McCain.

Ummmm, Laura...What did Mitt Romney ever do for Conservatism before he decided to run for POTUS and flipped on all of his liberal views?

The same talking heads and pundits who tried to sell Rudy as a conservative...only to see that not resonate among voters, lamely glommed onto Mitt in a last minute attempt to derail McCain.

A legitimate conservative candidate will emerge sometime in the next four to eight years...but it will never be charlatan Mitt Romney.
lo writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 10:41 AM
HUCKABEE'S POOR RECORD BELOW
Huckabee released > criminals than the combined total of every AR border state(TX,OK,MO,TN,MS,& LA)
When the AR Supreme Court ruled that AR’s public school funding was “inequitable,” Huck took the ruling as a mandate to raise taxes in order to increase school funding.
During his 10 yrs as gov, state $ more than doubled($6.6 bill-$16.1 bill),higher education & public schools got big >, as did social services. The state added about 8,000 full-time workers to its payroll, a 19%> (Bureau of Legislative Research).
He was a disaster on immigration . Every time there was any enforcement in his state, he took the side of the illegal aliens.” Roy Beck, pres of NumbersUSA, a grp that played a major role in rallying the phone calls that helped defeat this yrs Senate immigration bill.
During his tenure,Huck accepted 314 gifts valued at > $150,000, according to documents filed with the ARs’ Secretary of State Office.
The Huckabees set up wedding registries at local department stores as he was leaving office(eventhogh married for 30 years). State ethics laws prohibited Huck from receiving gifts of > $10,but there was an exception for wedding gifts.
Judicial Watch, a non-partisan group dedicated to fighting government corruption, listed Huck among their 10 Most Wanted Corrupt Politicians of ‘07. He was 1 of only 3 Republican politicians to make the list
“I would hope he could be trusted to secure the borders, but given his track record in AR, I don’t see the conservative he has portrayed himself to be in Iowa.”Jake Files, former AR state rep & current chairman of the Sebastian County Republican Party
The Walmart Corp paid for hwy71 improvements that he's taking self accolades for
CONTINUES....
lo writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 10:43 AM
HUCKABEE'S POOR RECORD CONTINUED...
“He destroyed the conservative movement in AR, & left the Republican Party in shambles.” Phyllis Schlafly, pres of the national Eagle Forum
“His support for taxes split the Republican Party, and damaged our name brand.” Former AR State Rep Randy Minton (R)
“I think if they knew [his record] it would totally de-energize them his policies are just wrong.” Former AR State Sen Jim Holt’s (R) warning for conservatives around the country who think they have found their candidate in Huckabee

ROMNEY SUPPORTERS WOULD NEVER SUPPORT A SELF INDULGENT BIGOT LIKE HUCKABEE. HE'S THE ONLY CANDIDATE THAT BROUGHT RELIGION INTO THE FOREFRONT!
HUCKABEE IS IN IT FOR HIMSELF - HE NEEDS TO PUT HIS EGO ON A DIET!
AnimalFarm1984 writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 10:47 AM
lo
You can't really believe Romney dropped out for the good of the country and war effort can you? He dropped out because he got his butt kicked and he knew McCain and Huckabee had him cornered. If he continued, the combined delegates of McCain and Huckabee would be against him. He had no hope of any fight at the convention.

You should also be glad Huckabee stayed in as long as he did. Without him being in, Huckabee voters would have gone for McCain and Romney's loss would have been even more one sided then it already was. Huckabee was not stealing votes from Romney, he was taking them from McCain. All the numbers and polls have shown this.
Hemrick writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 10:48 AM
Hey Gang!!! If you want to catch Dad's
next appearance keep a look out for next month's Lands End catalogue. He'll be sporting a pair of wrinkle free khaki chinos on page 46!!!

And you can catch me on p. 36 looking super sharp and extra white wearing a beautiful pima polo!!

Spring is in the air, and the Romneys are on the up and up!!! Don't count us out yet!!! We are CPAC's choice, and we intent to lead the way in 2012!!!
lo writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 10:51 AM
Don Arndt Jr.,
Above is just a sample of Huckabee's liberal record...facts are facts! If that's not a liberal record to you & you agree with his legislation...bully for you...you must not be Conservative as well.
All of the information I've shown on Huckabigots governing is PUBLIC RECORD!
lo writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 10:52 AM
The fake TaggRomney!!
has a man crush on Mitt. Sorry, Mitt wouldn't be interested!
lo writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 10:54 AM
AnimalFarm1984
Name the #'s & the polls. Facts are Facts & Huckabee has NO CHANCE!
seabisquit writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 10:55 AM
Romney's lack of realness
Notice that his best speeches and best outreach came when he prepared them himself and not when the paid political advisors and managers had input.

I saw that with several senate nominees. They always do better when they go against the conventional wisdom and the high price Washington managers.
AnimalFarm1984 writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 10:56 AM
lo
Why all the irrational hate-speak? You're sounding like a cult member who is fallen for some guru the way you worship Romney and talk down those he lost to. Really, you shouldn't take politics so seriously, it's not healthy.

For those interested, here are some facts about how Huckabee served the GOP in AR:

http://www.mikehuckabee.com/?FuseAction=Newsroom.Article&ID =154

Rush Conservative for Huck/2012 writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 10:56 AM
Lo, you ok? did you forget your valium?
As far as government getting bigger, EVERY STATE government gets bigger every year. I don't know if you noticed, but our country's population increases every year. With more citizens, advancing technology, etc. government is always going to inflate. The real question to ask, is the government increasing in influence in people's lives or growing. The truth is Huckabees record is that he limited AR government growth very effectively.

The Huckabees did not set up the wedding registry. I repeat Lo, the Huckabees did not set up the wedding registry. Friends of Mrs. Huckabee wanted to give her a housewarming after they left the governors mansion, a certainly devious plan. The do not have housewarming registries, so they set it up as a wedding registry. Please get a grip, this was friends of the Huckabees wanting to do a good thing for them.

All of these ethical inquiries were instituted by democrats, typical AR Politics, wanting to sully his reputation and defeat him for reelection. The truth is the people of AR elected him, reelected him, and again because they knew he was a good, ethical man. It is shameful for someone who claims to be a republican and a conservative to play the same political games and use the drive by tactics of the MSM to attack a rock-solid conservative and fine man like Mike Huckabee. Yes, I am talking to you Lo.
AnimalFarm1984 writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 10:58 AM
lo
Goto Gallup and CNN sites. Look at there exit polls on Super Tuesday.

And of course Huckabee has no chance at the nomination. That's not the goal now. He's in it for VP. A smart move on his part. You see he lives in the real world where he understands how the political process works. Not in some fantasy world where money and a makeover can buy you what you don't really have.
Hemrick writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 11:03 AM
Lo, I don't know what you're
talking about. Romneys DON'T lie, Romneys aren't gay, and Romneys do not engage in father/son sex. Therefore I am Mitt's son, I do not have a crush on him, and we are not having carnal relations!!!

Come on people! Pull your minds out of the gutter! We have a nation to save!
lo writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 11:04 AM
Don Arndt Jr., you say Huckabigot lied!
So, they lied! I've NEVER heard of a House Warming Registry! That's hysterical. So, that's how they're trying to spin it. REGARDLESS, THEY LIED THEN.

LOOK @ HUCKABIGOTS RECORD. It speaks for itself.
If that's a record you approve of, then like I said, "bully for you...you must not be a Conservative as well."

You have a right to like who you want. So, do the rest of us.

ClaireSolt writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 11:07 AM
Malignant Narcissm
I think that conservative pundits, bloggers, and intellectuals have been wallowing in a self indulgent stew of negativity since the 2006 election. Opinion leaders from Limbaugh to Dobson abdicated their leadership roles and pretended to assume Olympian perches of indifferance, So people followed a preacher. That's not so surprising. Surely, now, many should recognize that you cannot protect your interests by waiting until th flock wanders into the street and gets run over by a truck. It is too late then, as a frantic sto McCain was too late this week.
If these people cannot get off the pity pot, they will be replacd by others who have a positive vision, say universal heath care.
lo writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 11:07 AM
All of the personal attacks
only prove that you have nothing substantive to say! It's just vapor!
SteveL writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 11:08 AM
Romney, 9-11 and YouTube
Romney would have been a great candidate for the 1990s.

But this year Romney's candidacy failed due to two aspects of the 21st century: 9-11 and YouTube.

9-11 made national security a paramount consideration for many Republicans. After having spent the two terms of the Bush Administration harping on how important the War on Terror was, Republicans couldn't just do a 180 and choose Romney whose national security credentials were weaker than McCain's.

And YouTube made every one of Romney's flip-flops accessible as video clips, to anyone with access to the Internet:

http://tinyurl.com/2ph7pv

In the old days, a candidate could shift positions and depend on his staff of spinmeisters to handle any criticisms from the media about that. They could claim that the media was biased against them or something. But thanks to YouTube, all the candidates' statements and speeches are there verbatim, for you to view yourself. Romney's flip-flops on abortion, the Reagan legacy, etc., were all there to see. Verbatim.


Hemrick writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 11:09 AM
Sugar, ha ha ha.
I won't be appearing in Cabelas anytime soon, maybe "Golf" if I'm lucky - but hunting just isn't my sport.

Now dad on the other hand is another story! I can fondly remember him coming in from hunting trips with his pockets full of "varmints." We would always worry about him going out into the wilderness of our large yard, but we knew in our hearts that our Guatemalan landscapers would be keeping a watchful eye over him, making sure that he didn't hurt himself!
sis writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 11:09 AM
thanks
for dropping the campaign, now we can get on with the campaigning without you saying on thing doing another and vise versa. i live in utah i know what it is lkie to live under mormon rule, i have lived it my whole life. all we need is the mommon church to take over the world, we be begging for g.w. to come bakc to the white house. i personally would swim to cuba if you were the president.
Rush Conservative for Huck/2012 writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 11:13 AM
I should have followed age old advice
"don't wrestle with a pig, you both get dirty, and he likes it."

Lo, If you want to get into a whose more conservative thing. Be prepared, Romeny, McCain, Fred, Rudy, all of them have records than can be made to look unconservative. An intelligent person looks at the man, his record, and his platform and gets a big picture perspective. You do not want to hone in on Romney's record. It is not a pretty picture.
lo writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 11:14 AM
sis
you better start building a raft...Romney will be back!
lo writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 11:17 AM
Don Arndt Jr, I repeat
LOOK @ HUCKABIGOTS RECORD. It speaks for itself.
If that's a record you approve of, then like I said, "bully for you...you must not be a Conservative as well."

You have a right to like who you want. So, do the rest of us.

All of the personal attacks only prove that you have nothing substantive to say! It's just vapor!


Rush Conservative for Huck/2012 writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 11:17 AM
Lo, learn to read man
I did not say Huckabee lied. Mrs. Huckabee's friends wanted to have a housewarming for her. They wanted to coordinate so that everyone did not bring a toaster, etc.. Their friends set up the registry, NOT the Huckabees. I know this may be hard for you to understand, but if you look at this and suggest something malevolent was going on, you are as kooky as the 911 truthers.
SteveL writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 11:18 AM
for Phil Shackleton
Phil Shackleton writes: "The lesson I learn from this: you can go from unknown to recognizable IN A SHORT TIME with some positive name ID only with the help of the MSM, like Huckabee did."

Huckabee was getting NO HELP from the MSM--he was totally unknown--until he distinguished himself with some excellent performances in the debates. Huckabee also went on some talk shows like Jay Leno's Tonight Show and wowed the audience. Things like that gave him more favorable coverage. Huckabee's clever campaign videos (like the Christian cross ad) got everybody talking too.

Romney just isn't spontaneous enough in such forums. He actually was campaigning with PowerPoint slides at one point. He's used to addressing businesslike, intelligent yuppies, not rousing a crowd of average working-class Americans. Like Adlai Stevenson, he's not a rabble rouser.

lo writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 11:20 AM
Don Arndt Jr.
Justify it all you want...THEY LIED TO RECEIVE GIFTS! How Admirable!
sugar writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 11:24 AM
Tagg
I guess Dad brought you back in one of his pockets then?
Rush Conservative for Huck/2012 writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 11:25 AM
I'll tell you what Lo
You stop calling Mr. Huckabee a bigot and apologize for your incessantly negative posts and I will apologize for the Valium poke, the reading poke, and the pig quote.
lo writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 11:28 AM
Huckabigot
is just that a BIGOT! He is the ONLY candidate to attack another candidates religion. Follow your own conscience. I follow mine!
johnstodder writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 11:29 AM
Excellent analysis
Patrick Ruffini is a superbly clear thinker and writer. This piece makes eminent sense. Like a few commenters above, I agree he should have accounted for the extreme spending. Romney bought his way into being within a few thousand votes in NH. A more typically funded candidate identical to Romney would have been far back in the pack.

Which brings me to another point. There is a rich bipartisan tradition in California politics of multi-zillionaires deciding to run for high office. They almost always lose. Who wins? The consultants. The candidate is naive but eager. The consultants want to get rich. How much of Romney Inc. was comprised of people looking for a payday?

The strategy seemed to be: "Let's move the polls, fast, so our candidate will keep writing us checks." Hence the barrages of negative ads. They work, but they don't work for long. But they worked long enough for consultants to be able to go back to Romney with a line from Billy Idol: "More! More! More!"

This is just a hypothesis, for your consideration.
Rush Conservative for Huck/2012 writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 11:32 AM
Lo, do you?
even know what the word bigot means. I don't think it means what you think it does.
dmac writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 11:37 AM
still in echo chamber
Patrick is almost out of the chamber, but not quite-- "identity-minded Christian voters choosing Huck".

As one of those white collar, evangelical, Cobb County voters who pulled the lever for Romney, I must say that the echo chamber analysis of evangelicals has been maddening. Actually, there has been little analysis, just assumption that an evangelical vote for Huck was merely identity. Social conservatives, including evangelicals, are largely foreign policy conservatives and fiscal conservatives. However, their implicit priority among the social, fiscal and foreign policy priorities is the life issue.

Evangelicals were perfectly willing to consider both Romney (who had significant authenticity problems on the life issue) and McCain (whose bad record on judges and speech made him suspect) and indeed voted for them nearly as much as they did Huckabee. Evangelicals had to make a calculation on those three. If you look at exit polls, those who had the strongest views on abortion went in larger numbers, though not overwhelmingly, to Huckabee. Those who were still strongly opposed to abortion split more evenly between the three. To the extent that identity had anything to do with the Huckabee vote, it was the tipping point on who was more trustworthy on the life issue. They knew that Huckabee's long, consistent stand on abortion was immutable because it was based in faith, as was theirs.

If you want to play the identity voting card, look at the LDS vote in Utah and AZ -- 90% and more for Mitt. Given the (unreasonable) distaste of LDS for Huckabee, I can understand (somewhat) not voting for him at all. But I would expect a more even split between Romney and McCain among LDS (especially in AZ).
AnimalFarm1984 writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 11:45 AM
Don Arndt Jr.
On the topic of religious bigotry and using religion as a weapon, the following video sums up well what's really been going on in this race:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apZu1SZtDKs

This is yet another reason Romney won't be back. People who are in politics for a living know what went on. It's why all the other campaigns hate Romney and it's also why he burnt all his political bridges. He won't be back. And even the idiots in talk-radio are not going to touch him after they stuck their necks out for him and got burnt.
Angel writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 11:48 AM
My Two Cents
At first I supported Thompson. After he dropped out, I planned to vote for Giuliani, but he dropped out before the California primary. Then I became a Romney supporter, which I probably should have been all along. I went to two of Romney's campaign appearances, and I saw spontaneity and warmth that probably did not come across on TV (I don't own one). Although I'm an evangelical, I have too many disagreements with the smarmy Huckabee to support him. In fact, I doubt that I will vote for McCain if Huckabee is his choice for VP.

I returned to listening to Hugh on the radio in the days before the California primary, and unfortunately he hasn't stopped the bragging and name-dropping that drove me away long ago. I wish that he hadn't started telling his listeners/readers to support the nominee (i.e., McCain) so soon, but he seems to try to position himself as a leader all the time.

PS This blog needs someone to moderate comments. Please.
PC writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 11:49 AM
Huck's bigotry is undisputable
If you can read and think there is only one conclusion. Huckabee played the religion card. He did speak at an anti-Mormon convention (1998 in SLC) as the key note speaker, he did plant the bigoted question to the NYT reporter, and he is far and away the most likely person responsible for the anti-Mormon push polls and the fake Romney Christmas card. Open your eyes, Don.

You guy is a fake, deceiving, holier-than-thou liberal. He believes in destroying hard drives so no one can see his record, stealing furniture, raising enormous taxes, commuting murderers sentences who go on to rape and kill, giving illegals everything because we did them wrong, closing Gitmo to make the world like us, and big gov. solutions.

Face it - he's worse than McCain, if that's even possible.
Daniel writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 11:52 AM
sis, on the Terror of Mormon Utah

"thanks for dropping the campaign, now we can get on with the campaigning without you saying on thing doing another and vise versa. i live in utah i know what it is lkie to live under mormon rule, i have lived it my whole life. all we need is the mommon church to take over the world, we be begging for g.w. to come bakc to the white house. i personally would swim to cuba if you were the president."

You should probably not have written that post, sis.

Our jackbooted Mormon military police are out looking for you at this very moment, kicking doors in and driving suspects from their homes with tear gas, and the gates of Utah's vast Donnie Osmond Concentration Camp for Non-Mormons are open wide, just waiting for your arrival.

Your secret trial has already concluded. You are guilty.

Nobody will hear your screams. Loudspeakers blaring out the latest CD from the Mormon Tabernacle Choir will guarantee that.
lo writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 11:55 AM
All of the personal attacks
only prove that you have nothing substantive to say! As I said above, it's just vapor!

My support is based on Facts & Substance. I'm proud that I'm in the same company as the nations most respected,WELL ACCOMPLISHED CONSERVATIVES like talk-radio's Rush Limbaugh,Laura Ingraham, Sean Hannity, etc...& Hugh Hewitt! I appreciate the compliment!

And by the way, I strongly believe in & am proud of, our Constitution...which includes Freedom of Religion! Those who attack religion obviously don't...a blatant reason everyone saw for themselves not to consider HUCKABIGOT...

DEFINITION OF BIGOT...
a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance.



PC writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 11:55 AM
dmac
LDS people voted for Romney and not McCain because they vote more conservatively than any other group. They also voted for Bush in the 90+% range. Compared to Romney, McCain is not conservative, period. You notice that in exit polls Romney easily won the conservative vote everywhere. Why should the most conservative state be any different?

You would never see numbers like that in Utah if Harry Reid were running. No way. I think that proves my point quite nicely.
ElMaughan writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 11:56 AM
sis, swim away now!
i live in utah i know what it is lkie to live under mormon rule,

If "Mormon rule" is so horrible in Utah, move! What is it about "Mormon rule" that upsets your tender sensitivities? It is harder to get a drink in Utah, so if you are a lush I could see this as being a downer. I believe that gambling is still not allowed, but hey Vegas is right next door! Having lived in Utah for a few years, I wonder what trials you must be refering to?

Plus, when Carter was president, should we blame that to being under "Bapitist rule".

I'm still amazed that there are folks that deny that religious intollerance had role in this campaign.
PC writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 11:57 AM
sis is new here
Or is she? Maybe Sarah can't stop even now that Romney is out. She's got a new identity, but the bile is the same old, same old.
LeeLee writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 12:03 PM
Evangelical Support NEVER Cuts Both Ways
Mormons have supported Evangelical candidates for years. Never once have they said "So-and-So is not a true Christian because they are X Protestant religion, therefore I refuse to vote for them."

Sadly, a significant portion of Evangelicals will NEVER support a Mormon candidate for President or any other national office.
aurorawatcher writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 12:04 PM
Being honest about Romney
I always check out the politics of candidates and frankly, I liked Romney's platform (though I prefer Duncan Hunter's). It would be hard for an Alaskan to vote against a candidate who says he wants to explore and drill in ANWR. However, there's something to be said for going with your gut and there was always a gut-level feeling that we were being lied to about something I couldn't quite identify. That might come from the state of Mormon politics in my state where Mormon politicians are almost always caught with their hand in the cookie jar or in bed with a woman who isn't their wife. I think we're 0-5 on that regard, so I might instinctively (and from experience) feel that Mormons talk a good talk, but don't walk very straight. I know that for me his Stepford wife was a turn-off. A man who has a wife who looks that plastic and has absolutely nothing to say other than her husband's talking points -- well, a lot of Alaskan women I know said they couldn't vote for him because of her. Alaskan Christian women are all for the submission thing, but we don't have our personalities surgically removed on our wedding day. Still, Mitt did win in Alaska.
ElMaughan writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 12:06 PM
Charisma is it!
I'll agree with Daniel - love your quote:

"Ein Führer, der die Herrlichkeit unseres Volkes wiederherstellen kann!"

We need a charismatic leader of the people. Forget logic, accomplishment, morals, and intelligence! The people want someone to follow who makes them feel good and diverts their attention away from the problems we face. Facing problems only means that we have work to solve them. Ignoring them means saving the hardship for another day; for today we celebrate.

Huckabee is charismatic, Obama is charismatic - I believe either would be a suitable reward for those who choose style over substance.

Joe writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 12:07 PM
You will now he is a "real Christian"
...by his stupid snub of the Mormon guy:

Focus on the Family’s James Dobson has decided to endorse Mike Huckabee in a truly senseless gesture, the timing of which can only be compared to the Battle of New Orleans. (Didn’t he hear the war is over?) Just to be clear: Huckabee has 196 delegates of a required 1191. There are approximately 1165 delegates (actually fewer since California and Illinois delegates are not yet fully allocated) still outstanding. (Huckabee is not likely to get more than 85% of the remaining delegates, you think?) Coming after McCain’s remarkably successful CPAC speech and just before President Bush’s expected nod to the new nominee, the decision to endorse a man perhaps even less beloved than McCain among the conservative base will, I think, be largely ignored, if not mocked. (The anti-Coulter chorus is growing so he will have stiff competition in the voting for “least sensible conservative in a comedy” category.)

As with the anti-McCain talk show hatred-fest, the decision reveals far more about the intentions and priorities of the aggrieved McCain opponent than of the relative merits of either Huckabee or McCain. A Dobson-Coulter ticket is the next logical step. (I will leave for others to explain why Dobson, who played footsie with Romney for months on a possible endorsement, did not give support months ago to the one candidate who could have beaten McCain. On this score Romney has every right to be peeved.)

http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/rubin/238 2

If Romney supporters are upset, Dobson might be on the top of their list of people to dislike.
AnimalFarm1984 writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 12:08 PM
PC
It's obvious you are a Mormon and that you hate Baptist. The fact that you label a Baptist convention as an "anti-Mormon" convention shows you are speaking out of your own insecurity and bigotry. Everyone knows Baptist and Mormons tend to go at each other with theological differences and debates. That's relgious differences and is just the way it is when people disagree strongly on religion.

To keep dragging religion into politics to attack your opponent is what is true bigotry. To put push-polling out against your own faith and setup your opponents to take the fall, is true bigotry. You can keep pullng out the bigot card all you want, but most conservatives won't buy it because they're used to such tactics by the left with their race card tactics.

Honestly, you are upset that Baptists came to Salt Lake to witness to Mormons, but Mormons go all over the world to witness to Baptists and other denominations. That doesn't make Mormon's bigot because they disagree with other denominations and want to convert them any more then it does Baptists who reject your views.
lo writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 12:10 PM
LeeLee
You're exactly right!
I don't know much about the Mormon religion. Yet,I do know that Baptists believe that one has to be "saved" to go to heaven. That leaves a lot of Americans (Christian included) out. I also know many Evangelicals that are very impressed with Mitt & were going to vote for him. Those slander his religion are an embarrassment for Christians & Americans alike.
Rush Conservative for Huck/2012 writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 12:13 PM
Lo and PC
According to your definition of bigotry.

Mormons should quit sending out missionaries to try to convert people. Because if they do they are bigoted and are trying to force their religion on others. I certainly believe mormons have every right to do this, but I don't agree with them and I am going to try and convert mormons, because I think they are mistaken and deceived. That doesn't make me or Huckabee a bigot, it makes us devoted followers of our religion

This election is not and has not ever been about religious bigotry. It is about conservatism.

In the interest of dialogue and detente, I apologize to you Lo, for implying you can't read, that you are a pig, and implying you forgot your valium. However, your definition of bigotry does not help your case, it specifically involves ethnic or racial groups, mormonism is a religion, and therfore falls outside of your definition. Further, the words obstinate and intolerant can hardly be used to describe Huckabee. In fact, He is almost universally regarded as a nice guy and a good man

PC

again, you have a way of looking at facts which intrigues me. Huckabee asked, I admit, a poorly phrased question to a NY Times Reporter. Do you think Southern Baptists are anti-mormon? Please, we do think that mormons need to be converted, but unless something has changed mormons feel the same way about baptists. That convention was not anti-mormon, it was pro-Baptist and to call it bigoted is to not understand the meaning of the word and to distort what freedom of religion is all about.

I would still vote for Romney against any democrat, despite what I view as a less than stellar conservative background. You obviously would not vote for Huckabee. Who is the narrowminded one in this conversation?
Brett writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 12:13 PM
Stop the McCain/Hillary/Obama Amnesty

Vote for Huckabee.

Huckabee has signed the NumbersUSA NO Amnesty Pledge.

McCain refuses to rule out Amnesty after he "seals" the border and builds the "Damn Fence". So what if the Democratic Congress doesn't give him money for the fence, what will poor Johnny do then?

At least Huckabee has a plan to require ALL illegal invaders to go home and get in line like the other 20 million immigrants that are waiting legally.

If Amnesty is passed by McCain/Hillary/Obama in 2009 and rewards 12 to 20 million POOR illegal invaders, say GOODBYE to ANY future Conservative Presidents or Conservative Congress for the rest of your lives.

Remember Democrats pander to the POOR with your Tax Dollars and are rewarded with the votes of the POOR.

No thanks John McCain, if Amnesty is going to be passed let the blame fall solely on the Democrats.
Rush Conservative for Huck/2012 writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 12:15 PM
Animal Farm
good post, I agree completely
lo writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 12:18 PM
You don't live in the US
brianakira. Why do you care? Oh Canada!
Rush Conservative for Huck/2012 writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 12:18 PM
For the record
I do not agree with the toe and intent of Brianakira and Sarah posts on this blog. They are below the belt and have no place in a political discussion.
AnimalFarm1984 writes: Friday, February, 08, 2008 12:22 PM
Help for the Logically Challenged
Whoever thinks conservatives don't have problems with providing sound, logical arguments for there positions need look no further then sites like this or listen to the current rantings on talk-radio to know this is not true.

Conservatives, especially the far right Rombot, talk-radio sheeple type, need to get back to critical thinking and the promotion of reason over emotions or we'll be no better then the liberals.

If you are tired of being a sheeple, go here for help in identifying all the BS:

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/

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