Thursday, October 22, 2009
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Cheney: Obama Needs to Stop "Dithering" and "Waffling" on Afghanistan
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Go Dick, go!
Update: Politico is reporting the White House's response to former Vice President Cheney's criticism of the Obama administration's Afghanistan policy (or lack thereof):
"What Vice President Cheney calls dithering, President Obama calls his solemn responsibility to the men and women in uniform," Gibbs said Thursday. "I think we've all seen what happens when somebody doesn't take that responsibility seriously."
Calling Cheney's comment "curious," Gibbs attacked the Bush administration for allegedly taking years to provide the support necessary for the war effort in Afghanistan.
"I think it's pretty safe to say that the vice president was for seven years not focused on Afghanistan," Gibbs said. "Even more curious given the fact that an increase in troops sat on desks in this White House, including the vice president's, for more than eight months." ...
The former vice president also addressed comments made last Sunday by Obama’s chief of staff, Rahm Emanuel, blaming the Bush administration for taking an inadequately active approach to shaping war strategy.
Cheney retorted that Bush administration officials were digging into "every aspect of Afghanistan policy" last fall and briefed the Obama transition team on their findings and recommendations.
"The new strategy they embraced in March, with a focus on counterinsurgency and an increase in the numbers of troops, bears a striking resemblance to the strategy we passed to them," Cheney said.
HT: Drudge
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arch
"I say it is you libs who don't give a sh1t about human liberty. WE conservatives have proven we do time and again."
Ryan - Sure you do, the "patriot act" is one of the crowning glories of neoconservatism. The only thing you have proven is that the bs the neocons spoon feds you works with weak minds.
Me- "These are not the droids you are looking for."
Arch - "These are not the droids we are looking for."
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Auschwitz Axie and the vivacious Rachel-Jordy-Raelei-Libby-Kimber-Sponty-'Ho are what'cha'call LuvMuffins.
Ry-Ry, the middle of their sandwich, is continuing proof that Paulite-Buchanista Paleos are the flip side same as the Left Haters.
Take a peek at the 'Biden..NATO..' thread for Auschwitz Axie's Eichmann Lunacy. Too, toooooo pluperfect. |
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...is telling Obama how continue the Bush/Cheney clusterf*&k. Imagine the hubris that it takes to be THIS reviled, rightfully so, and STILL think that his marginalized, irrelevant delusions matter.
The Republican Party can't be shamed enough with the honoring of this criminal, hateful asshat. What a relief it is to know that this group is so marginalized that they may NEVER be in the majority again. |
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...is telling Obama how continue the Bush/Cheney clusterf*&k. Imagine the hubris that it takes to be THIS reviled, rightfully so, and STILL think that believe his marginalized, irrelevant delusions matter.
The Republican Party can't be shamed enough with the honoring of this criminal, hateful asshat. What a relief it is to know that this group is so marginalized that they may NEVER be in the majority again. |
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"I say it is you libs who don't give a sh1t about human liberty. WE conservatives have proven we do time and again."
Sure you do, the "patriot act" is one of the crowning glories of neoconservatism. The only thing you have proven is that the bs the neocons spoon feds you works with weak minds. |
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Ryan writes: Sunday, October, 25, 2009 1:12 AM
Arch
"Saddam was a vicious dictator and we have no business dealing with anyone like him for oil."
Gee, this is definitive.
"It was always over control of oil and liberating 26 million human beings to boot! Nothing wrong with that eh Ryan?"
Which is it, Arch? Either we dealt with him over oil or we didn't. You remember when Reagan had the Kuwaiti tankers reflagged? Guess whose oil was being shipped.
"Three hours a day, that's all we ask" didn't do anything for you.
"Liberating 26 million" is a throwaway neocon talking point when the WMD BS didn't play out. I don't believe that you care a wit for them.
Arch says
I say it is you libs who don't give a sh1t about human liberty. WE conservatives have proven we do time and again. You libs are anti human liberty and freedom to the core and prove it daily. Even Obama tries to fake it! |
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"Saddam was a vicious dictator and we have no business dealing with anyone like him for oil."
Gee, this is definitive.
"It was always over control of oil and liberating 26 million human beings to boot! Nothing wrong with that eh Ryan?"
Which is it, Arch? Either we dealt with him over oil or we didn't. You remember when Reagan had the Kuwaiti tankers reflagged? Guess whose oil was being shipped.
"Three hours a day, that's all we ask" didn't do anything for you.
"Liberating 26 million" is a throwaway neocon talking point when the WMD BS didn't play out. I don't believe that you care a wit for them. |
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Careful with that axe, Eugene writes: Sunday, October, 25, 2009 12:36 AM
Tardboy
Also Axe. You sure want the government to be in control of a lot of things when they are abject failures in virtually everything they run. See this!
Me- Well, if you are too lazy to form a thought and have to start cutting and pasting, you can stop wasting my time.
I don't expect those agencies to MAKE A PROFIT. I expect them to provide services the private market can't. And they all do that pretty well, for the most part. I watched my 401K crash and burn last year and I'm damned glad that I've got social security.
Arch says
Idiot! Those programs are going bankrupt let alone make any profit! Who is gonna pay for them when they are bankrupt?
Social Security will be broke before you draw a dime. As well for the rest I pasted! How's that for Government run programs?
I tire of you Axe. Next time bring your logical mind to make it interesting! |
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Ryan writes: Sunday, October, 25, 2009 12:34 AM
Arch
"Saddam was a vicious dictator and we have no business dealing with anyone like him for oil."
You need to tell that to Rumsfeld (and Reagan if you could).
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/
Of course, people like you never allow an inconvenient fact get it the way of a good emote.
Ryan
It was always over control of oil and liberating 26 million human beings to boot! Nothing wrong with that eh Ryan? |
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Also Axe. You sure want the government to be in control of a lot of things when they are abject failures in virtually everything they run. See this!
Me- Well, if you are too lazy to form a thought and have to start cutting and pasting, you can stop wasting my time.
I don't expect those agencies to MAKE A PROFIT. I expect them to provide services the private market can't. And they all do that pretty well, for the most part. I watched my 401K crash and burn last year and I'm damned glad that I've got social security. |
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"Saddam was a vicious dictator and we have no business dealing with anyone like him for oil."
You need to tell that to Rumsfeld (and Reagan if you could).
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/
Of course, people like you never allow an inconvenient fact get it the way of a good emote. |
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You are not facing reality Axe. It is your supported party that keeps us from being independent on foreign oil and there is nothing on the face of the earth that is cheaper than burning coal and oil for energy. Nothing!
Saddam was a vicious dictator and we have no business dealing with anyone like him for oil.
Me- Except it pollutes the environment. I remember Chicago Summers in the 1970's when everyone drove big cars and we burned coal for power. There were days you couldn't see the sky. Just a gray haze that hung over the city for weeks.
And please, you can despoil the whole country, and you'd still be a slave to OPEC. Why drill in Anwar when they can pull it out of the desert for much cheaper? Heck, half the oil from Alaska ends up in Japan anyway. |
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Also Axe. You sure want the government to be in control of a lot of things when they are abject failures in virtually everything they run. See this!
It is now official~you are ALL corrupt morons:
> >>
> >> * The U.S. Post Service was established in 1775~you have had 234
> >> years to get it right~and it is broke.
> >> * Social Security was established in 1935~you have had 74 years to
> >> get it right~and it is broke.
> >> * Fannie Mae was established in 1938~you have had 71 years to get it
> >> right~and it is broke.
> >> * War on Poverty started in 1964~you have had 45 years to get it
> >> right; $1 trillion of our money is confiscated each year and transferred
> >> to
> >> "the poor"~and they only want more.
> >> * Medicare and Medicaid were established in 1965~you have had 44
> >> years to get it right~and they are broke.
> >> * Freddie Mac was established in 1970~you have had 39 years to get it
> >> right~and it is broke.
> >> * The Department of Energy was created in 1977 to lessen our
> >> dependence on foreign oil, it has ballooned to 16,000 employees with a
> >> budget of $24 billion a year and we import more oil than ever before~you
> >> had 32 years to get it right~and it is an abysmal failure.
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> >>
> >> You have FAILED in every "government service" you have shoved down our
> >> throats while overspending our tax dollars~AND YOU WANT AMERICANS TO
> >> BELIEVE
> >> YOU CAN BE TRUSTED WITH A GOVERNMENT-RUN HEALTH CARE SYSTEM??
> >> Are you crazy, or do you just believe all Americans are morons too??? |
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The only thing that you don't seem to think necessary for human liberty to prevail is the right to choose your leaders and throw them out if they do not serve the interests of the people.
You would have rather had a goon like Saddam prevail rather than freedom to vote for the Iraqi people. That is despicable Axe! That is not American or anything close. You are as bad as an enemy to human freedom and liberty. How do you justify that truth!
Me- Very simply. If the Iraqis WANTED Saddam gone, he would have been gone with NO HELP from us. A lot of Iraqis wanted him in power. A lot more probably didn't like him, but considered him preferable to the alternative of a foreign army (Us or Iran) in their country.
People in Iraq had no problem getting rid of dictators and tyrannts when those guys were unpopular. They overthrew the Monarchy in 1958. They overthrew unwanted governments in 1963 and 1968. They could have overthrown Saddam in 1991, and chose not to. We might not LIKE how he treats his people, but at a certain point, it isn't our problem.
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Careful with that axe, Eugene writes: Sunday, October, 25, 2009 12:10 AM
Archtard
Me- I am. I'm 47 years old. We knew our dependence on oil was a liability during the first oil shock of 1973, when the Arabs decided to cut off our supply for supporting Israel. Why have we NOT spent the last 36 years developing an alternative? Because a lot of people are making MONEY off that oil.
Also, how is Saddam "Threatening" us when he demands a FAIR PRICE for a resource that's under his country? Isn't this your complaint as a conservative, that people are demanding to take what is yours because THEY need it. (You know, like why you are against universal health care because YOU might pay more in taxes?)
Imagine if we took ALL THE MONEY we've spent fighting the Lebanon War, the Gulf War, the GWOT, and instead spent it on a Manhatten project to produce an alternative to oil? Nuclear plants, electric cars, etc. So we could tell OPEC to put that oil in their backsides, we don't care.
In WWII, the Japanese cut off our supply of Rubber in South-east asia. We developed artificial rubber! Why haven't we done the same with oil? Because we are happy to have OPEC continue to provide us our "fix" like any good pusher. That is not "freedom", my friend.
Arch says
You are not facing reality Axe. It is your supported party that keeps us from being independent on foreign oil and there is nothing on the face of the earth that is cheaper than burning coal and oil for energy. Nothing!
Saddam was a vicious dictator and we have no business dealing with anyone like him for oil. |
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Careful with that axe, Eugene writes: Sunday, October, 25, 2009 12:05 AM
Archtard
Perhaps the 600,000 of your innocents were Saddam sympathizers? Remember that the word perhaps has no fact implied. At least the Iraqi people had a chance to choose their leaders instead of remaining slaves to the one you seem to support. You have no heart for human liberty, do you?
Me- Human liberty can't be bestowed by outsiders. Either the Iraqis have to DEMAND it on their own, or it's meaningless. No government can endure without the tacit consent of the governed. Yeah, Saddam was a monster, but the lights were on, food got delivered, and he kept the Iranians out. Yes, the Iraqis have acquiesed to a new dictator, because that dictator is the most likely to bestow the pre-war status, which includes US the hell out of their country.
Arch says
The only thing that you don't seem to think necessary for human liberty to prevail is the right to choose your leaders and throw them out if they do not serve the interests of the people.
You would have rather had a goon like Saddam prevail rather than freedom to vote for the Iraqi people. That is despicable Axe! That is not American or anything close. You are as bad as an enemy to human freedom and liberty. How do you justify that truth! |
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Axe you seem to have no problem understanding my articulate points of view! I just happen to be correct in the matter and you are dead wrong!
I also have three buddies whom I went to school with that are marines. One of them reenlisted when the Iraqi war was in shambles before the surge. He was too old to be in combat but was accepted as a communications administrator out of Kuwait. Why didn't you do anything to help our soldiers win that war?
Me- Don't take credit for what your "buddies" did. What did you do? I did my part. I served. I also looked into re-enlisting after 9/11 and was told I was too old and wouldn't pass the physical.
Honestly, you are NOT correct. We don't know how Iraq is going to turn out, but it's probably not going to be a good thing. We've taken the country away from the Sunnis and gave it to the Shi'ites, who are a LOT more fanatical about the screwing virgins in the afterlife thing...
Nothing good will come of this. When we pull out, Maliki will turn to Amhajihidad for support. |
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You nit wit axe. The oil that is the lifeblood of our liberty. Without which we would not be the super power of the world and the last bastion of hope for human liberty and freedom.
Our nation would die without the free market flow of oil. Saddam threatened that and we took him out just like any fool that would threaten our supply of oil, the life blood of freedom and liberty as it exists today. Reality Axe. Face reality!
Me- I am. I'm 47 years old. We knew our dependence on oil was a liability during the first oil shock of 1973, when the Arabs decided to cut off our supply for supporting Israel. Why have we NOT spent the last 36 years developing an alternative? Because a lot of people are making MONEY off that oil.
Also, how is Saddam "Threatening" us when he demands a FAIR PRICE for a resource that's under his country? Isn't this your complaint as a conservative, that people are demanding to take what is yours because THEY need it. (You know, like why you are against universal health care because YOU might pay more in taxes?)
Imagine if we took ALL THE MONEY we've spent fighting the Lebanon War, the Gulf War, the GWOT, and instead spent it on a Manhatten project to produce an alternative to oil? Nuclear plants, electric cars, etc. So we could tell OPEC to put that oil in their backsides, we don't care.
In WWII, the Japanese cut off our supply of Rubber in South-east asia. We developed artificial rubber! Why haven't we done the same with oil? Because we are happy to have OPEC continue to provide us our "fix" like any good pusher. That is not "freedom", my friend. |
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Careful with that axe, Eugene writes: Saturday, October, 24, 2009 11:36 PM
Arch says
CA- What the hell is wrong with you anyway? You side with the libs that hate our military and everything it stands for. Even if you had served, they hate you for it. That is why I disbelieve that you ever served. You side with those that would hate you!
Me- First, you fall into the fallacy of believing that my politics in 1992 were the same as they are in 2009. They aren't. I was probably as right wing as you are back then. I could just express my point of view articulately, an ability that seems to elude you.
One of my best buddies at work is an ex-Marine. He's just glad that a back injury prevented him from being sent over for another tour. The military does what it is told, even when they know what the politicians won't admit, the effort is pointless.
arch says
Axe you seem to have no problem understanding my articulate points of view! I just happen to be correct in the matter and you are dead wrong!
I also have three buddies whom I went to school with that are marines. One of them reenlisted when the Iraqi war was in shambles before the surge. He was too old to be in combat but was accepted as a communications administrator out of Kuwait. Why didn't you do anything to help our soldiers win that war? |
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Perhaps the 600,000 of your innocents were Saddam sympathizers? Remember that the word perhaps has no fact implied. At least the Iraqi people had a chance to choose their leaders instead of remaining slaves to the one you seem to support. You have no heart for human liberty, do you?
Me- Human liberty can't be bestowed by outsiders. Either the Iraqis have to DEMAND it on their own, or it's meaningless. No government can endure without the tacit consent of the governed. Yeah, Saddam was a monster, but the lights were on, food got delivered, and he kept the Iranians out. Yes, the Iraqis have acquiesed to a new dictator, because that dictator is the most likely to bestow the pre-war status, which includes US the hell out of their country.
Some accomplishment.
Arch- Bush volunteered to fly sorties in VietNam. Where is the dishonor in that? Also I believe many Natl.Guardsmen would take offense to your view of them.
Me- I was a national guardsman for part of my career, too. Doesn't take away from the fact that in the Vietnam era, the Guard was a great place to hide from the draft. You only got in when you had political influence. So you had units full of guys like Dan Quayle and Dubya that were in NO DANGER of going to Vietnam. So, yeah, Bush could "volunteer", but he knew that there was little danger of his being taken.
Hell, the guard was still trying to undo the stigma of the abuses of the sixties when i was in during the 1980's, where they were given such nicknames as "No-Gos", "Weekend Warriors" and "Wannabees".
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"Laugh all you want. Everyone knows Neo's character here and likewise yours which seems to be sadly lacking! You have made a spectacle of your inhuman views here and everyone notices how indecent they are."
Yes, and those of us who are sane recognize a nut when we see or read one, in this case. Bob Munck is right on one point. You are only a notch or two above him.
When it comes to inhumane views it is folks like yourself who are hell bent on killing people that had nothing to do with the problems we have today. Most of "everyone here" really doesn't count in the real world.
Well, one thing is for sure, Arch, You too, have never darken the doorway of a barracks. Otherwise, you wouldn't have a comic book idea of what military folks are like. They are a mix lot, much like society as a whole.
I'm still laughing at your self serving, sanctimonious crap. |
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Careful with that axe, Eugene writes: Saturday, October, 24, 2009 11:36 PM
Arch says
CA-Should we have continued to allow Saddam to work against our national interests and enslave free human beings? Is that just fine with you to allow that?
Me- What "National INterest" of ours was Saddam working against, exactly? Not Israel or the Emir of Kuwait, what interest of AMERICA was he working against?
Arch says.
You nit wit axe. The oil that is the lifeblood of our liberty. Without which we would not be the super power of the world and the last bastion of hope for human liberty and freedom.
Our nation would die without the free market flow of oil. Saddam threatened that and we took him out just like any fool that would threaten our supply of oil, the life blood of freedom and liberty as it exists today. Reality Axe. Face reality! |
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Careful with that axe, Eugene writes: Saturday, October, 24, 2009 11:36 PM
Arch said
Also liberating the 20 million Iraqi human beings from Saddam the butcher tyrant was a noble act from a freedom loving nation. What do you find wrong with liberating 20 million human beings from an enemy dictator?
Me- That we killed perhaps 600,000 of them in the process and they've only exchanged a Shi'ite dictator for a Sunni one. Sorry, guy al-Maliki is not a Jeffersonian Democrat. He's a Shi'ite thug who kisses Amhajihidad on the face.
Arch says
Perhaps the 600,000 of your innocents were Saddam sympathizers? Remember that the word perhaps has no fact implied.
At least the Iraqi people had a chance to choose their leaders instead of remaining slaves to the one you seem to support. You have no heart for human liberty, do you?
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Careful with that axe, Eugene writes: Saturday, October, 24, 2009 11:36 PM
Clay Aiken
Axe. I believe both Bush presidents were veterans of the service.
Me- No, Bush Jr. hid in the National Guard a time when it was a haven for guys who avoided the draft because Guard units weren't deployed. It ain't the same thing...
Arch says.
Bush volunteered to fly sorties in VietNam. Where is the dishonor in that? Also I believe many Natl.Guardsmen would take offense to your view of them. |
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Janelle writes: Saturday, October, 24, 2009 11:03 PM
arch and conservatives
There is some merit to arguing with some of the far left, but is it really worth it? They enjoy being "taken care of" and are true believers in spreading the wealth around. Really, why work?
Arch says.
Janelle. You are right. For me, I have to work. It is in my being. On my days off I am working at fishing or hunting or on our house or cars.
Leftist are truly lazy. That is why they suffer most out of our population. They are their own worst enemies. The problem is that they gain political power to satisfy those lazy needs of theirs and give our hard earned money away like it was toilet paper while making us all suffer a lesser lifestyle of freedom and liberty. They are inherently evil for humanity and should perish off the face of the earth. It would be better for humanity if they had never been born! |
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Axe. I believe both Bush presidents were veterans of the service.
Me- No, Bush Jr. hid in the National Guard a time when it was a haven for guys who avoided the draft because Guard units weren't deployed. It ain't the same thing...
CA- Also liberating the 20 million Iraqi human beings from Saddam the butcher tyrant was a noble act from a freedom loving nation. What do you find wrong with liberating 20 million human beings from an enemy dictator?
Me- That we killed perhaps 600,000 of them in the process and they've only exchanged a Shi'ite dictator for a Sunni one. Sorry, guy al-Maliki is not a Jeffersonian Democrat. He's a Shi'ite thug who kisses Amhajihidad on the face.
CA-Should we have continued to allow Saddam to work against our national interests and enslave free human beings? Is that just fine with you to allow that?
Me- What "National INterest" of ours was Saddam working against, exactly? Not Israel or the Emir of Kuwait, what interest of AMERICA was he working against?
CA- What the hell is wrong with you anyway? You side with the libs that hate our military and everything it stands for. Even if you had served, they hate you for it. That is why I disbelieve that you ever served. You side with those that would hate you!
Me- First, you fall into the fallacy of believing that my politics in 1992 were the same as they are in 2009. They aren't. I was probably as right wing as you are back then. I could just express my point of view articulately, an ability that seems to elude you.
One of my best buddies at work is an ex-Marine. He's just glad that a back injury prevented him from being sent over for another tour. The military does what it is told, even when they know what the politicians won't admit, the effort is pointless. |
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Careful with that axe, Eugene writes: Saturday, October, 24, 2009 11:16 PM
Arch
Laugh all you want. Everyone knows Neo's character here and likewise yours which seems to be sadly lacking! You have made a spectacle of your inhuman views here and everyone notices how indecent they are
Me - Yup, we all do know Neo's character. Let's review, shall we.
He makes jokes about my dead mother and cancer.
Arch says, Rightly so!
He makes jokes about show business gays who died of AIDS.
Arch says Rightly so!
He thinks its just dandy to send boys off to die in the Middle East, but when his country called him in the 1960's, he said, "I'm not home."
Arch says You do not know that!
When he's cornered, he claims to be spending time with black kids or veterans... like any of us either believe that or care.
Arch says You are incoherent if you think you have ever cornered Neo!
He runs circles around guys like you |
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Careful with that axe, Eugene writes: Saturday, October, 24, 2009 11:05 PM
Archtard
"Axe. Anyone can make up those figures you posted. The way you post here with leftist views makes you very suspect that you ever served in our military. Why would you side with the party that calls our soldiers evil and baby killers and wants to weaken our nation's defense by underfunding it? You sir are no military veteran!"
Anyone who tried to make up those figures would get something wrong....
And frankly, I think BOTH parties abuse and misuse our military and always have. It's been 17 years since we've had a vet in the White House...
The GOP has sent our military into wars that have no real good rationale, have sent the same units into combat again and again despite severe warnings about the dangers of Post-Traumatic Stress Syndrome, have cut veterans benefits, were responsible for the Walter Reed Hospital Scandal (You know, where we had wounded vets living with rats and roaches) paid millions of dollars to Halliburton to have front line troop bath in feces tainted water from the Euphretes... I think that's a lot worse than names that were never actually called, don't you?
Arch says
Axe. I believe both Bush presidents were veterans of the service. Also liberating the 20 million Iraqi human beings from Saddam the butcher tyrant was a noble act from a freedom loving nation. What do you find wrong with liberating 20 million human beings from an enemy dictator? Should we have continued to allow Saddam to work against our national interests and enslave free human beings? Is that just fine with you to allow that?
What the hell is wrong with you anyway? You side with the libs that hate our military and everything it stands for. Even if you had served, they hate you for it. That is why I disbelieve that you ever served. You side with those that would hate you! |
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Laugh all you want. Everyone knows Neo's character here and likewise yours which seems to be sadly lacking! You have made a spectacle of your inhuman views here and everyone notices how indecent they are
Me - Yup, we all do know Neo's character. Let's review, shall we.
He makes jokes about my dead mother and cancer.
He makes jokes about show business gays who died of AIDS.
He thinks its just dandy to send boys off to die in the Middle East, but when his country called him in the 1960's, he said, "I'm not home."
When he's cornered, he claims to be spending time with black kids or veterans... like any of us either believe that or care. |
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Ryan writes: Saturday, October, 24, 2009 10:33 PM
arch
Thanks for the laugh, that's the funniest thing I've read all day. You have got to quit listen to Hannity so much, otherwise, you'll destroy the last brain cell you possess.
Having you endorse neoconscum and his incoherent posts is like having Lizzie Borden endorse axes.
Arch says.
Laugh all you want. Everyone knows Neo's character here and likewise yours which seems to be sadly lacking! You have made a spectacle of your inhuman views here and everyone notices how indecent they are. |
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"Axe. Anyone can make up those figures you posted. The way you post here with leftist views makes you very suspect that you ever served in our military. Why would you side with the party that calls our soldiers evil and baby killers and wants to weaken our nation's defense by underfunding it? You sir are no military veteran!"
Anyone who tried to make up those figures would get something wrong....
And frankly, I think BOTH parties abuse and misuse our military and always have. It's been 17 years since we've had a vet in the White House...
The GOP has sent our military into wars that have no real good rationale, have sent the same units into combat again and again despite severe warnings about the dangers of Post-Traumatic Stress Syndrome, have cut veterans benefits, were responsible for the Walter Reed Hospital Scandal (You know, where we had wounded vets living with rats and roaches) paid millions of dollars to Halliburton to have front line troop bath in feces tainted water from the Euphretes... I think that's a lot worse than names that were never actually called, don't you? |
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There is some merit to arguing with some of the far left, but is it really worth it? They enjoy being "taken care of" and are true believers in spreading the wealth around. Really, why work? |
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Ryan writes: Saturday, October, 24, 2009 10:33 PM
arch
Thanks for the laugh, that's the funniest thing I've read all day. You have got to quit listen to Hannity so much, otherwise, you'll destroy the last brain cell you possess.
Having you endorse neoconscum and his incoherent posts is like having Lizzie Borden endorse axes.
Why are you posting the same screed twice about Eugene and the army?
Arch says
I see it only once on my monitor.
I just don't believe him! |
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Thanks for the laugh, that's the funniest thing I've read all day. You have got to quit listen to Hannity so much, otherwise, you'll destroy the last brain cell you possess.
Having you endorse neoconscum and his incoherent posts is like having Lizzie Borden endorse axes.
Why are you posting the same screed twice about Eugene and the army? |
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Careful with that axe, Eugene writes: Saturday, October, 24, 2009 8:37 PM
Homer, Buddy...
Army
Staff Sergeant (E-6)
Ft. Sill, OK, 1981
If you mean "which MOS Speciality school", Ft. Lee, VA, USAQMS. MOS 76Y
1981-1985 IL National Guard, 1986-1992, Active duty.
Stationed in a lot of places, I was in for a long time. I could tell you about Ft. Lewis, where they have these big honking ants that made mounds out of pine needles, Or Ft. Polk, where they had coperheads.
Yup, got one of those.
Arch says
Axe. Anyone can make up those figures you posted.
The way you post here with leftist views makes you very suspect that you ever served in our military. Why would you side with the party that calls our soldiers evil and baby killers and wants to weaken our nation's defense by underfunding it? You sir are no military veteran! |
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Ryan writes: Saturday, October, 24, 2009 9:55 PM
Careful with that axe, Eugene
"Neo's tired rants...
I've always notice that Neo seems to pull out old veterans he supposedly spends time with. And not just enlisted grunts, but important officers like any of them are actually still around..."
Well, he does have one hell of an imagination.
Arch says
Wrong Ryan! Neo has been posting well before you came around. Everyone knows him as honest and with outstanding character. He gives no reason to believe otherwise. You on the other hand, are a leftist socialist that erodes human liberty and freedom with your sick, evil, political views. You have no character standing here but an ill will towards your fellow man! You prove it every time you post |
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"Neo's tired rants...
I've always notice that Neo seems to pull out old veterans he supposedly spends time with. And not just enlisted grunts, but important officers like any of them are actually still around..."
Well, he does have one hell of an imagination.
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vladimir estragon writes: Friday, October, 23, 2009 10:41 AM
Ugly lies
"That is your answer when it comes to defending your son."
The only people I have to defend my son from are lying perverts like you. Why don't you and Arch get together some time? You could introduce him to your daughter.
"Remember that Vlad got banned over at powerline for making the comment " Bad things happen to bad people" when a US soldier was killed by an IED.
Lie.
"He has no son in the military."
Lie
Arch says
Vlad. Face it brother! You have been caught lying. People do not respect a filthy liar and especially those that after being caught then call those who nailed them liars!
Look what you just did above! You are a sad case Vlad! |
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Army
Staff Sergeant (E-6)
Ft. Sill, OK, 1981
If you mean "which MOS Speciality school", Ft. Lee, VA, USAQMS. MOS 76Y
1981-1985 IL National Guard, 1986-1992, Active duty.
Stationed in a lot of places, I was in for a long time. I could tell you about Ft. Lewis, where they have these big honking ants that made mounds out of pine needles, Or Ft. Polk, where they had coperheads.
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"There was no draft when I was that age, so I signed up."
What branch?
Rank?
Where did you take your basic training?
Where did you attend tech school?
What was your training, AFSC, etc.?
Period of enlistment?
Where were you stationed?
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Paddy O'Sociopath "Even now, we have a potus letting troops die in Afghanistan while he plays politics....all the while his press secretary is trying to blow some fertilized sunshine up the MSM skirts about reasoned and careful plannning. Bullpucky....pure and simple."
Me- Yeah, how dare we have reasoned and careful planning in a war. Something that we haven't had in eight years of that conflict.
If Obama WERE playing politics, he pull us out. Tomorrow. Only 24% favor increasing troops there, and most of those aren't his supporters.
if he's taking his time, it's because THERE ARE NO GOOD ANSWERS. We pull out, the Taliban comes back into power. We stay in, lots of Americans die, and the Taliban probably comes back into power anyway. the oppurtunity to destroy the Taliban was lost 7 years ago when SOMEONE decided we needed to invade Iraq for no real good reason.
Now most Afghans look at us as the foreigners and the Taliban as the national heroes.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/0 8/19/AR2009081903066.html
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I've always notice that Neo seems to pull out old veterans he supposedly spends time with. And not just enlisted grunts, but important officers like any of them are actually still around... Oh, well...
Hey, guy, just because the chihuahua hangs around with an old pit bull doesn't make it tough. You're still a spineless coward who lives a decent life because brave men fought for your freedom.
You're 65 now. So from 1962 to about 1968 you were elible for the draft and found ways to dodge it. (There was no draft when I was that age, so I signed up.) Wow, you and Darth Cheney, cowards then and cowards now.... |
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Hyper-Rush on The Socialized Medicine Ponzi. HAD to be done yesterday, dammit, or all the po'folk will die neglected and unluved. NOW, damn youse! He's doing almost the same on the Shipwreck known as Cap & Tax Ponzi...But, months after sending General McChrystal to(allegedly)give his learned-studied military estimate as to what's need ed in Afghanistan...His Majesty needs to study and brood for months.
The world--Tyrants, Thugs and Allies alike--have measured this beta-wimp and know exactly what they see. |
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I for one will never hold against you or anybody else remaining civilian during the Vietnam era. Last I heard, you didn't run off to Canada or Europe. Serving in the military during wartime with a democrat congress and cinc will let you know in a hurry how little your life is valued by the pols who claim to care so much about you.
Even now, we have a potus letting troops die in Afghanistan while he plays politics....all the while his press secretary is trying to blow some fertilized sunshine up the MSM skirts about reasoned and careful plannning. Bullpucky....pure and simple.
As a veteran, I can see the remorse and repentance in you for not donning a uniform in those days, and I can tell you it's competely unnecessary, my friend.
You are a comrade in arms if ever there was one, and I would surely rather stand shoulder to shoulder with you than any of these lefty pukes who care nothing about the troops but would never admit that in any public forum. Their not worth the shiite on your shoe..... |
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I'm aware of the delayed enlistment program... I just thought the recruiter in question's tactics were unseemly. But that was just me.
Yes, I know writing is a lost art, but I wasn't asking for Hemingway, just a simple statement of how you managed to run that truck into a tree and cause $6000.00 worth of damage.
Good work on your son making the most of his career. As I have said, I think that overall, my time in service was a benefit... but I saw a lot that ticked me off, too. |
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Having a busy, fully-engaged technicolor-Sensurround REAL LIFE, I don't spend much time on the Internet.
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**Auschwitz Axie's in quite a high chair pounding, Jew Hating Rant, isn't he? Funny, I'm headed out to Bay Hill to spend a few glorious hours with General Earl Johnson again. Last time I got him to describe flying his B-29 over the USS Missouri in Tokyo Bay on the formal Surrender Day. He did it twice that day. He asked me what I thought of Obama last visit, as well. Ohhhhh, we had us a fine old time!** :-)
Pics of he and Ike on a golf cart together in Puerto Rico and he and JFK on a Palm Beach green in '63. He knew Tibbets and Sweeney, the pilots of Enola Gay & Bock's Car well, having got them fully settled in at Tinian before their Hiroshima & Nagasaki runs. He shook his head when I told him of the recent exchange the hairy chested Auschwitz Axie and I had about those Evil Missions. "Folks like that will never GET it, Son...I feel kind of sorry for them." Gen'l Johnson is kinder and gentler toward clueless airheads, at 92, than I at an Evil Neoconservative 65. |
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Nice chatting with you even though we don't agree on a lot of things.
Gots to run.
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.. . the path to the Green Berets.
I might have led you astray there . . . dropped sync and left a portion off the sentence.
That sentence should have finished by saying "the path to the Green Berets when he graduated from high school. |
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"I've never heard any of my vet friends or family(Some quite Liberal & a couple even Left)EVERRRR claim that an opponent's views on the military and war are non-valid due to his/her non-service record."
Well then you don't get out on the internets much. There has NEVER been an internet discussion touching on Vietnam where somebody didn't come in and say, "Oh yeah well I served in Nam and you didn't, so you don't know what you're talking about." |
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"I got recruiters calling me every night for a few weeks, and I wasn't even out of HS yet."
The bulk of enlistees are enlisted before they graduate from high school. It is called The Delayed Enlistment Program.
My son joined the Army at the end of the eleventh grade, attended recruit training during the summer and left for what he thought would be the path to the Green Berets. (He wanted to chop trees down with his bare hands!) He went through jump school and a couple of others, but the Army couldn't put him in the Green Berets for some reason. The Army had not fulfilled their contract, so he started yelling that he wanted out! The Army then asked him if he would like to attend a joint school that had been Navy. My son had never heard of EOD, but thought it sounded interesting. He said he had never learned how to study until he attended a school that had been designed by the Navy - Fail and Sail sorta thing. He graduated and was selected for Presidential EOD. CLEP'd his way to a BA while sitting in motel and hotel rooms and now has heavy business dealings all over the world with such folks as T-Bone Pickens. Did the Army lie to him? Yeah, but it worked out.
Navy recruiters outlined what was available, but all that was guaranteed was schooling in a particular field.
Have you run into college types/junior officers who cannot draft an acceptable document? I have!
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Somehow, I don't think Neo's lack of service was due to a medical issue... I suspect he's just a typical Chickenhawk who is happy to let some poor kid take a bullet to further his policies... I also use the term "Draft-dodger" figuratively, since I doubt he's old enough to have been eligible when they used to draft.
My problem with the likes of him is that they are STILL advocating this war, even though most sensible people agree that large parts of it were a terrible idea. We used a sledgehammer to try to kill a fly. The fly is still buzzing around, but we've managed to destroy the living room.
I have mixed feelings on the draft. I personally benefited greatly from the all volunteer military, and I probably would have gone in had I been drafted with no complaints. But I also think that an all-volunteer military makes it too easy for the politicians and wealthy to start wars with no personal consequences for them. If Neo's Son were in danger of being shot by an Iranian Revolutionary Guard in some fool attempt to stop their nuke program, I don't think he'd be all gung ho about it. JMHO. |
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Funny, I've never known anyone inside the military that ever took a draft-dodger seriously on their views...
You should not call folks draft-dodgers unless you KNOW that they DID dodge the draft via illegal means.
Do you have any idea how many folks fail the medical examination, for enlistment? I can tell you that it is MANY and for reasons you'd not think possible, hammer toe, lack of hair on their private parts, boils and such, and dozens and dozens more.
I call a those who ran to Canada or had a friendly family doctor swear that they had some sort of medical condition draft-dodgers. I DO NOT call those who stayed in college draft-dodgers because that is where we get our junior officers. We get our lawyers, doctors and various others from those who stay in college to get professional degrees.
I enlisted during the draft era -- even the Navy drafted that year. I recall men eating soap and putting small bars of soap beneath their arm pits, supposedly to run their blood pressure outta sight. I don't know if any of their tactics worked, but the Navy did get a lot of older guys who thought they had missed the Army draft some years before. I had a highly-paid advertising exec and the owner of a trucking line in my company. (I often see the trucks of that fellow on the freeways -- never seen him again though.)
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Here's the link for the ASVAB test questions...
http://usmilitary.about.com/od/joiningthemilitary/l/blasvab sample.htm
As I recall, I found the ASVAB pretty easy (I took it twice, once in High School, once when I enlisted in 1981.) But please, I saw all sorts of unethical behavior by recruiters. I remember after I took the ASVAB the first time, I got recruiters calling me every night for a few weeks, and I wasn't even out of HS yet. The capper was the USMC recruiter, who stated if I joined the Marines I could avoid the draft. (This was when Carter had just reinstituted draft registration after the Soviets invaded Afghanistan, and some people thought a draft was coming back.)
Now, I'll have to admit, my particular job speciality (Supply) usually brought me into all sorts of stupid to my desk. Writing up accident reports, lost property reports, sending out damaged equipment because someone couldn't read the tech manual that said "Don't disassemble the trigger housing of your M-16A1." (Seriously, can't tell you how many times THAT happened!)
I'm not talking about someone who lied, I'm talking about promising kids things they can't acheive, just to fill a body count. Now, as I said, part of my job was filling out incident reports, which usually meant taking written statements and witnessing them. A lot of these kids could not structure a sentence. They'd have flunked out after a year of college, and probably did.
Now, to recruit that kid by promising him a college tuition might have been legal, but was it ethical? Especially since the job includes doing fairly dangerous stuff. |
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And how does the military screen them out? Why they use the ASVAB test, with such brilliant questions as.
I don't recall questions that simple on the ASVAB, but there were six test editions in use when I was recruiting. It looks more like a question on the screening test recruiters give to applicants to weed them out before they waste a lot of time on folks likely to fail the ASVAB.
I do not know the national average on the ASVAB is today -- probably lower. It was in the LOW Forties when I was on recruiting. So, it makes sense to write the ASVAB tests to the "average" person available to enlistment. (A rule of thumb was about 2 of 7 applicants would fail the ASVAB.)
I can't speak for the Army. I do know that the Army had a lot of law suits pending for recruiters lying to applicants. The Army was really hard up the years I was recruiting, so pressure might have gotten to some of them. (Getting men into ANY service was tough -- and probably still is. Making female goal was easy.
I "No-fault" transferred three or four recruiters, which meant they were transferred to duties in their paygrade/occupational field because they couldn't hack recruiting duty, for no fault of their own. No bad evaluation -- just a summary of why they failed and narrative as to how hard they tried -- or did not try. Failing at recruiting did not kill a career. A fair number of folks simply cannot do it, regardless of their prior high-level performance and screening by their previous command as to their suitability for recruiting.)
I "Fault" transferred one recruiter, for lying to an applicant's parents. Lying was flat not allowed in Navy recruiting. Did it happen? Sure it did and those doing it were punished at captain's mast (ART 15) reduced in rank, usually -- and transferred.
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Good morning to you, fine sir.
Great to see you.
By the way---thank you for that phenomenal smack down of Septic Tank the other day. You know, of course, that she only returned more resolute with her scatologic nonsense.
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"I've never known any veteran to primp, pose, chest pooch and wear as a badge justifying wildly Lefty views, as Sgt.Pompous does."
Me- Funny, most veterans I know would probably stomp you zionist face into a garbage can...
"I've never heard any of my vet friends or family(Some quite Liberal & a couple even Left)EVERRRR claim that an opponent's views on the military and war are non-valid due to his/her non-service record."
Funny, I've never known anyone inside the military that ever took a draft-dodger seriously on their views...
Most Americans are tired of your wars for Empire and Israel, guy. They want us out of Iraq and out of Afghanistan, NOW! (Personally, I think this would be pretty irresponsible, but you guys have used up most of the good will.) Instead, having not learned your lesson 5000 dead soldiers in body bags later, you are trying to bully this president into a war with Iran, too.
"True to form, the sorry brig dweller gets in his Jew Hatred prominently as his scintilating reasons for leaving the service."
Me- I don't hate Jews. Used to date a Jewish girl. Have lots of Jewish friends, some of them in the service. I just don't think we should blindly support Israel in every stupid thing it does. We've turned a whole region into an enemy to support one religion's vanity. The Crusader States didn't last, and neither will Israel. So why strap ourselves to the bow of that sinking ship? |
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"Nothing he said is worthy of an answer, but I do wonder in what SORT of command he served -- if he did. I simply cannot believe he ran into so many folks he believed were dummies. (Could be that he was the dummy!)"
Me- Uh, actually, I served in a command full of AMERICANS, pretty much the most ignorant, backward people in the industrialized world. You know, 39% of Americans don't believe in Evolution. 6 out of ten Americans age 18-24 cannot find Iraq on a map in 2006, after we've been fighting a war there for three years.
And how does the military screen them out? Why they use the ASVAB test, with such brilliant questions as.
Water is an example of a
A. crystal.
B. solid.
C. gas.
D. liquid.
Now, the samples you cite are officers, NCO and elite corps people. Yeah, those people HAVE to be smart. (Although I met a few officers I found were PROFOUNDLY ignorant, and they outranked me.) And I met a lot of bright people, some of whom I still correspond with today, 20 years later.
My point, however, was that you have people like Neo, who are happy to let recruiters lie to poor kids and promise them they can graduate college on the Army's dime. Oh, yeah, even if they got the above question and most of the others wrong. |
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Nothing he said is worthy of an answer, but I do wonder in what SORT of command he served -- if he did. I simply cannot believe he ran into so many folks he believed were dummies. (Could be that he was the dummy!)
I don't know too many Army soldiers, but I do know a few. I spent some time in joint operations with a few Green Berets (planing only in my case) and I had one son who was in Army Presidential Explosives Ordnance Demolition operating out of Fort Knox during his four year enlistment. I was on a couple of sea-going admiral's staffs during his Army period, so didn't see him much at all.
My Marine Prepositioned Ship (Merchant Marine) carried one hundred Army troops from Sicily to Iraq after the Iraqi War started -- within the first few months. I had quite a lot of contact with them, from PVT to MAJ. They were a VERY impressive group of young men. I was surprised that their morale and eagerness to do their assigned job equaled that of a similar group of Marines we carried a month or two before. |
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...errrr...bonafides, I suspect.(*Auschwitz Axie*) I've never known any veteran to primp, pose, chest pooch and wear as a badge justifying wildly Lefty views, as Sgt.Pompous does. I've never heard any of my vet friends or family(Some quite Liberal & a couple even Left)EVERRRR claim that an opponent's views on the military and war are non-valid due to his/her non-service record. That's one that really tickles my Head Shrinker Neighbor who has a blast analyzing A-Axie & Pustulescent Lib'rul from their very revealing comments(read jealousies, resentments, neediness, bitterness and infantile defiance)posted at TH.
True to form, the sorry brig dweller gets in his Jew Hatred prominently as his scintilating reasons for leaving the service. Peculiar...But, that's why I've taken to assigning him ANOTHER New Moniker*. Now, if he's spewing Israel Hatred as his clone 'Reciprocal Gesture..', I'll dub him Ravensbruck Recippy...'Scurvy', it'll be Sachsenhausen Scurv...'RomanLion', how'bout...Oh, well, you see what I mean.. :-) |
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exactly.
Why don't they reinstitute the draft? Maybe because they couldn't fight a war anymore because no one would go willingly? Or because everyone would say they were gay or bi? |
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SeaDope - I have MUCHO respect for the Army, but the soldiers of today are not the soldiers of yesterday. The qualifications are totally different. It used to be joked that all a soldier needed was the ability to carry 65 pounds and breath. That, of course, was never true, but all the services could once use folks with strong backs and weak minds. There is NO place for these types and have not been for many years. Yeah, folks have to chip paint, mess cook, clean compartments, but these are sorta part-time jobs in that folks are assigned to such duties for a limited period of time, then return to their normal occupational field. (Think the other services use contractors for much of the grunt-type labor -- at least they do in combat zones.)
Me- Yeah, that was a brilliant idea. Let's bankrupt the country making Darth Cheney's cronies rich because we are too cowardly to start a draft...
The reality is the military has LOWERED the standards to keep up with the demand during this war. They've sent the same guard units over and over again. They put more women in MOS positions that were exclusively male. They are now allowing enlistees without high school diplomas,
Two words- Lyndiee England. You know, LEASH GIRL. the woman who essentially lost the Iraq war for us. (And if you are deluded enough to think we've WON by bribing the terrorists to act nice, you're beyond hope.) A mutant like that probably never would have made it when I was in. |
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"It makes one wonder when a person serves eleven years then chooses to leave the service. It's called Reduction in Force in the USAF. I don't know what it is called in the Army. The Navy don't have any sort of RIF program of which I am aware, but it does have a UP or Out, i.e., advance within a certain period of time, or accept discharge or transfer to the Fleet Reserve (sorta like retirement on less than thirty years, but subject to recall)
Sorta looks like he couldn't hack the program . . ."
Really? So you've seen my service record and my DD214? Really?
The reality was that of those 11 years, only six were active. The others (if you had anything nearing an attention span) were reserves, which were sort of utterly worthless in terms of retirment...
Actually, I decided to leave the service in 1992, because after the gulf war, I figured we weren't there defending America, we were protecting the Oil Companies profits from bad old Saddam, who was our best buddy when he was killing Iranians. Oh, yeah, and Israel. Didn't sigs up to defend Israel, but that's pretty much what we were doing, and I had enough of it.
Incidently, they were so anxious to try to get me to stay they waived an E-7 position at me. (Which is really hard to come by with the MOS I had.)
There were other factors, too, like the retirees I did know who couldn't get a good job in the private sector because they were too old and had too little non-military experience.
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"Dooooy- As a rule, when someone tells me they served, I take them at face value until something tells me otherwise.Your comments demonstrate the otherwise. If you had served who would you want at your back? Now about someone with the heart and guts to get the job done? You can't measure that on an SAT."
Me- Well, I would want someone who was smart enough to actually be able to read "Front towards Enemy" on the casing of a Claymore Mine. Some of them weren't capable of that!
Were some of these yardbirds just smart enough to do the simple tasks assigned to them, provided they had an NCO looking over their shoulder? Mostly, yeah.
My point was not about who I want watching my back, it was about dishonestly promising a kid a college education when you can tell by his ASVAB (that's an intelligence test they give you when you sign up) that they are barely smart enough to be a cook.
"Doooy- If your fellow soldiers are as stupid and lost as you say what does it matter that you made Sgt and was decorated?
Taking your last rant at face value, it shouldn't have taken much for you to move up and since you'll insist that you are correct (that most soldiers are lost and stupid), didn't the military simply bump you up to the rank of head idiot?"
Me- Actually, it takes a lot more than that to be an NCO. Hence why you have the term, "Earn your stripes"....
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"Dooooy -Clever? Me? One doesn't need to be that clever to make you look the fool. You do it all by yourself. Thus the door reference. You walk into the doorway all by yourself. All I have to do is wait until you do and then point it out."
Me- Actually, it's kind of sad you think personal insults are really a response. It wouldn't have gotten you guy in an HS debate team...
"Doooy- Where did I serve? I didn't. Tea in China?"
Uh, yeah, it is important. It proves like most neocons, you've never served, have no idea what the military is like, and you'll happily get other people to do your fighting for you.
Doooy - "I'll tell you what, had I served, I would never post a condesending rant belittling the scholastic skills of my fellow soldiers. You as much as called them stupid and lost in life. Nice!"
Me- How about instead of arguing against as what I 'as much as said', actually argue what I said. The military has a habit of promising poor kids something they can never deliver on. Which would be reprehensible enough, except, of course, they ask these kids TO RISK DEATH in the process.
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But they may eventually turn off the comments boxes. Worked for Hewitt.
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"I've learned that with some posters here, silence in generally the best response."
Any and all may call me a moron, in all caps, for not having learned that lesson long ago. The sad fact is, I expect to be banned from Town Hall soon. This is the same thing that has happened at other sites. |
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You stand correct.
Is there a troll here you can engage in reasonable debate?
While I enjoy reading TH messing with the trolls is a guilty pleasure.
Sort of like scarfing the M&M's someone brought into the office today for Halloween.
I know I shouldn't but I just can't resist!! |
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Some have no shame. Those like sewage aka Kaboom. Val/Vlad are proof of that. They never can stand up when facts come into play. In most cases they are pathological liars. There quest is for a complete moral breakdown of the country. There hatred is evident.
It would do them such good to spend some time perhaps in Cuba or in the arms of Chavez. They would get an education of what they wish for. |
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Yours, a sysphean task, engaging such a worm as this wiggly woman.
Don Quixote had it easier in Denmark.
One migh keep in mind a couple of things.
1.) She's changed her moniker several times. I'm not a psychologist---don't need to be, to determine that this portends "issues".
2.) She's been caught in lies by others who've been diligent in pressing her on things she's said and how these things do not comport with previous comments of hers.
Another of her kind is "val", er, "vlad". Also caught in lies by Arch and another just exposed by SJA in the past couple of days. No surprise here as "val", er, "vlad" also wrongly accused Meredith Jessup this week of plagiarizing, which Meredith addressed and denied. Predictably, 'val", er, "vlad" offered no apology for his overzealous reach, nor any other conciliation.
However, he'd be the first one by Obama's side when the Messiah travels abroad to apologize for every wrong America has committed and even those not committed.
Eugene, all she has, like so many other pathetic liberals drinking at this trough, is ad hominems and hyperbole.
For instance, she scribbles:
"Colin Powell's entire speech was one falsehood after another."
And there you have it. No backup. No proof. No nothing. Just throw it out there, hoping it will stick, like that stench in the air when she arrives.
More scribblins:
"Democrats supported the fake intelligence Cheney and others pushed on the nation doesn't help your case."
Any documentation to the "fake" intelligence?
Any proof? Any backup?
Nah---she needs none. She's the authority. she and her cabal of loser-Lefties and loser-libertarians who simply make the vacuous charges, because they heard it somewhere.....MoveOn.org.....MediaMatters....huffingtonPost.....DailyKos...Chris Matthews....somewhere...
Nonetheless, Don Quixote would be proud of you...Good day. |
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"Colin Powell's entire speech was one falsehood after another"
And what exactly did this Obama supporter lie about?
Or are you about to go POOF when asked for facts to your rhetoric...... as usual? |
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Seems that you are very sensitive, SJA? Are you afraid of your own son's masculinity? Did he join the military to show you he's a 'MAN'? So sad that you think that disparaging my son does anything but show your cowardice. My son is gay, yes, but, as I have said before, he's not a stereotype. He's cool, calm, collected. Handles emergencies with aplomb. He'd actually be a good soldier, but with that DADT, and all these faked wars, well, he's not going to be, is he?
Colin Powell's entire speech was one falsehood after another. The fact that Democrats supported the fake intelligence Cheney and others pushed on the nation doesn't help your case. This is why Obama is not making a rash decision in Afghanistan...having seen the rush to war based on faked information, well, it is better for your son that we not just rush in again without strategy or a goal.
"And what would you consider a situation that would necessitate US military involvement that would put brave soldiers in harms way?"
After Pearl Harbor. An attack on our nation. Not nation building. |
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"That are based on falsehoods"
Could you reference a few of those?
If you go the WMD route remember the great John Kerry, Hillary Clinton and others in your party voted for the elimination of Saddam. And remember, we've heard it all before. And if 500 metric tons of yellowcake uranium isn't a WMD looking for a place to happen, place explain what is. And that's tons Kaboomski!
Don't believe me? Fine. This from the employers of Olberman:
"The removal of 550 metric tons of "yellowcake" — the seed material for higher-grade nuclear enrichment — was a significant step toward closing the books on Saddam's nuclear legacy. It also brought relief to U.S. and Iraqi authorities who had worried the cache would reach insurgents or smugglers crossing to Iran to aid its nuclear ambitions."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25546334/
Now again. Can you reference a few of these "falsehoods"?
And what would you consider a situation that would necessitate US military involvement that would put brave soldiers in harms way? |
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I at least can take pride in my son and his decision to serve his country. You on the other hand can hang you head in shame when your gay boyscout son puts on his tutu and dances for the enemy. |
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YOU degrade our service people by sending them into wars that have no focus, no strategy, no point. That are based on falsehoods.
That's the ultimate disrespect. Getting soldiers killed for nothing.
"Do you know what's worth fighting for?
When it's not worth dying for?
Does it take your breath away
And you feel yourself suffocating?"
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writes,
"attentionseeker
Yes, I am an anti-semite."
Thanks for confirming. Some of your writings have intimated as much---but, I always like to be certain before proceeding.
Very sad, indeed, your position.
Oh yes, and thanks for, "attentionseeker". I have been guilty of this with my bride.
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"Taking your last rant at face value, it shouldn't have taken much for you to move up and since you'll insist that you are correct (that most soldiers are lost and stupid), didn't the military simply bump you up to the rank of head idiot?"
Outstanding!
It makes one wonder when a person serves eleven years then chooses to leave the service. It's called Reduction in Force in the USAF. I don't know what it is called in the Army. The Navy don't have any sort of RIF program of which I am aware, but it does have a UP or Out, i.e., advance within a certain period of time, or accept discharge or transfer to the Fleet Reserve (sorta like retirement on less than thirty years, but subject to recall)
Sorta looks like he couldn't hack the program . . .
I have MUCHO respect for the Army, but the soldiers of today are not the soldiers of yesterday. The qualifications are totally different. It used to be joked that all a soldier needed was the ability to carry 65 pounds and breath. That, of course, was never true, but all the services could once use folks with strong backs and weak minds. There is NO place for these types and have not been for many years. Yeah, folks have to chip paint, mess cook, clean compartments, but these are sorta part-time jobs in that folks are assigned to such duties for a limited period of time, then return to their normal occupational field. (Think the other services use contractors for much of the grunt-type labor -- at least they do in combat zones.) |
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I find it funny that libs claim that the military men and women are not so bright. That is very far from the truth in today's military. They also have something else that most libs don't have and that is guts.
Wonder of you saw the post by Axe making fun of conservative Vets taking from the government for the education benefits that the military are entitled to. I'll bet the fool has no problem with the benefits that the union auto workers get for doing that dangerous job of strapping on a car bumper. Oh yeah and now they are getting those benefits via our taxpayer dollars.
Axe, certainly makes no sense in just about every post he writes. Like all libs he will diminish the military to grovel to his lib buddies. |
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"Wow, you think you're clever,eh?
Where did you serve?
I served in teh army for 11 years and got out at the rank of Staff Sergeant, and was decorated for my service. What did you accomplish, scheisskopf?"
Clever? Me? One doesn't need to be that clever to make you look the fool. You do it all by yourself. Thus the door reference. You walk into the doorway all by yourself. All I have to do is wait until you do and then point it out.
Where did I serve? I didn't. Tea in China?
You know ax that's a sure sign that you really have no clue how to answer me.
I'll tell you what, had I served, I would never post a condesending rant belittling the scholastic skills of my fellow soldiers. You as much as called them stupid and lost in life. Nice!
As a rule, when someone tells me they served, I take them at face value until something tells me otherwise.
Your comments demonstrate the otherwise.
If you had served who would you want at your back? Now about someone with the heart and guts to get the job done? You can't measure that on an SAT.
And here is the door coming your way. You may want to duck.
If your fellow soldiers are as stupid and lost as you say what does it matter that you made Sgt and was decorated?
Taking your last rant at face value, it shouldn't have taken much for you to move up and since you'll insist that you are correct (that most soldiers are lost and stupid), didn't the military simply bump you up to the rank of head idiot?
Thump!
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As much as I disagree with many here I can still read their posts and question their opinions.
I enjoy reading your posts as most of the time they are very informative and you do what many fail to do you back up your statements with facts.
I am sure you see that I have little to no tolerance for any poster that deliberately degrades our military men and women and this fine country. Vlad and his lib buddies do both on a regular basis. No discussion just anti American garbage. Vlad showed his colors now and I think most see him for exactly what he is nothing more than a liar. |
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Yes, I am an anti-semite. Like I'm a birther. Like you're a reasonable individual. |
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just for the record.
There are some libertarians who I have much respect and admiration for. "MaineConservative" is merely one in this category.
There are others, albeit showing signs of acuity and "reason", who I do not share such as I do with, "Mainiac".
Of these, I include, Sickero, Virginia Patriot, Pasadena Phil, and a few others.
They are many things, confused is but only one of them. The only thing I share in true commonality with them is stubborness. To that I admit.
Final thought. You and Maniac are much more tolerant than me. I applaud you for this.
I am now off to the morning.
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Ouch.....felt the sting of truth all the way over here...
"That which does not kill you will only make you *stronger"
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I think most here do not put you in the category of Vlad.
I do not agree with you on many of your ideas but still find them worth reading and although we have different points of view I do not believe that you are of the mindset that the government should control every aspect of our lives.
You give your opinion and I give mine. Unlike Vlad I do not see you as a lockstep Obama fawner that will ignore any sense of reason. |
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clarityseeker writes: Friday, October, 23, 2009 10:56 AM
Arch
It's not even mid-morning here and you have already adequately dispensed with a loser-Lib. Really---those fish are wainting for yu and will provide ample reward.
By the way---I recall that thread displaying the billboard of several men and a single woman---in very suggestive positions. Now--your comments are habitually taken out of context---but only for those who cannot see.
Clarity
(remember---distraction is all they have)
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You can stop now Vlad. You have been exposed. You once said you did not defend your son because you did not see the vile comments. Well yesterday you did and today you did and as we thought you did nothing but name call but still no defense of your son.
You are a liar that is the real fact. Go away troll liars are not worth the air that take from others. Your dog is quite smart even he pukes when he hears your drivel. He reacts much like the rest of us. Now crawl back under your rock. Your friend sewage mouth is probably waiting for you. Maybe she brought her gay boyscout son. Yup he can protect you just as well as those fine military men that you have chosen to degrade. Would love to see the faces of those who wish to kill us when they see you three, certainly not the same face your would see if they saw a real marine staring them in the face. |
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Not only a, "Birther" sympathizer----but also who cannot engage in reasoned dialogue with another with "transparency".
Yeah---when asked who you voted for, all you can give is the response of, initials (CP). Now that's rich, indeed.
Also, very close to the vest you are about focused questions of being an anti-semite as well. You are indeed a slippery one. And one I have little time for.
SO----Sickero, are you, or are you not an, anti-semite? |
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It's not even mid-morning here and you have already adequately dispensed with a loser-Lib. Really---those fish are wainting for yu and will provide ample reward.
By the way---I recall that thread displaying the billboard of several men and a single woman---in very suggestive positions. Now--your comments are habitually taken out of context---but only for those who cannot see.
Clarity
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Per clarityseeker, I'm a "birther", doncha know, even though I explained to him/her twicew now, very slowly and with short, easily understood words, why I'm not a birther.
I've learned that with some posters here, silence in generally the best response. There are enough other posters here who are principled opponents and who are therefore worth talking to. |
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vladimir estragon writes: Friday, October, 23, 2009 10:41 AM
Ugly lies
"That is your answer when it comes to defending your son."
The only people I have to defend my son from are lying perverts like you. Why don't you and Arch get together some time? You could introduce him to your daughter.
"Remember that Vlad got banned over at powerline for making the comment " Bad things happen to bad people" when a US soldier was killed by an IED.
Lie.
"He has no son in the military."
Lie.
Arch says
See what I mean? Vlad has not one shred of credibility and lashes out when exposed for what he is!
Even when convicted by the truth, he continues to lie and then call those who prove him a liar, a liar. |
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SJA writes: Friday, October, 23, 2009 10:35 AM
arch
Yes Arch I would say that Vlad proves time and again that you have been correct in what you have posted. The man has no shame. He is your typical loony left lib. No shame and no morals.
Arch says
I hate to see intelligent people waste their intellect on a filthy animal such as Vlad. I have watched him do his dirty work for years. He knows I am right also but cannot submit to factual reality. It is a mental sickness that many worthless individuals suffer in the lib faction of society! Just like an alcoholic that sees his condition worsening yet takes another drink. Sickness and depravity to the bone! |
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"That is your answer when it comes to defending your son."
The only people I have to defend my son from are lying perverts like you. Why don't you and Arch get together some time? You could introduce him to your daughter.
"Remember that Vlad got banned over at powerline for making the comment " Bad things happen to bad people" when a US soldier was killed by an IED.
Lie.
"He has no son in the military."
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Yes Arch I would say that Vlad proves time and again that you have been correct in what you have posted. The man has no shame. He is your typical loony left lib. No shame and no morals. |
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Yes I too enjoyed Seadog's post. He did what Vlad did not have the guts to do. I guess it must be hard deciding which is more important Obama fawning and sucking up to your loony left buddies or defending your child. Funny most would not have to think twice about that one. Just goes to show not everyone is cut out to be a parent. Or as you say perhaps another of Vlad's lies.
Yes I think that I too may watch SNL for the first time in years. I am quite sure they will get some mileage out of this stupidity on the part of this inept administration. |
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Jakk writes: Friday, October, 23, 2009 10:20 AM
Cheney the thug
commenting on dithering???
Cheney is known far and wide for walking around with his head up his butt (except when he's playing "Big Man" by shooting his pal in the face) and he's commenting about Obama?
Cheney with the Village Idiot Bush made this war. Typical of this surly, low-class wanna be hero to mouth off like that. He had no solutions, then he criticizes Obama for not pulling the solution out of his hat.
Crapmeister Cheney should crawl back into his hole and shut his sneering trap once and for all.
Arch says.
Cheney is a strong American patriot and spent years defending your stupid a ss. He is almost a super genius if the likes of you despise him so.
Maybe he will run for president next time around! |
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SJA writes: Friday, October, 23, 2009 10:06 AM
Clarityseeker
Good morning to you. Yes the interchangeable Val/Vlad as usual never addresses what is going on. He has put on his blindfold and has one foot over the cliff waiting for his messiah to order him to jump.
I am sure you saw how quickly Vlad ran off yesterday rather than confront his liberal friend sewage mouth about her vile statements regarding our military men and women. Funny he claims to be the father of a marine and has never commented on these kind of vile degrading statements. He has claimed in the past that he was not around when they were posted. Well yesterday he was here and when challenged he disappeared instead. Shows that his lib buddies and his Obama fawning are far more important to him than defending the son he claims to have serving this country.
Arch says.
Remember that Vlad got banned over at powerline for making the comment " Bad things happen to bad people" when a US soldier was killed by an IED. He is proud of that moment and wears it like a feather in his hat. Even lies about it here. He has no son in the military. That is an obvious lie of his many! |
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That is your answer when it comes to defending your son. Your true colors have shown through. I will not bother to ask again. Luckily, some here did your job for you. You just ran and hid. What a brave soul you are and such a good Obama fawner. Now get along there is a big pitcher of Kool-Aid waiting for you. |
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Old Chinese saying:
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commenting on dithering???
Cheney is known far and wide for walking around with his head up his butt (except when he's playing "Big Man" by shooting his pal in the face) and he's commenting about Obama?
Cheney with the Village Idiot Bush made this war. Typical of this surly, low-class wanna be hero to mouth off like that. He had no solutions, then he criticizes Obama for not pulling the solution out of his hat.
Crapmeister Cheney should crawl back into his hole and shut his sneering trap once and for all. |
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vladimir estragon writes: Friday, October, 23, 2009 10:13 AM
SJA
"I am sure you saw how quickly Vlad ran off yesterday rather than confront his liberal friend sewage mouth about her vile statements regarding our military men and women."
I told you I'm not responding to your lies any more. You judge me for not commenting on other people's statements, while just this morning you welcomed a documented child pornographer to this site. You condemn me for what I DON'T say. Well, what you DO say is on display to one and all, at least to those wearing rubber gloves when your name appears on the screen.
I respond to your posts - and clarityliar's - when I don't have anything more intellectually stimulating to do. Yesterday I had to go empty the kitty litter box, and just now one of the dogs has puked something up on the kitchen floor. When you are able to provide something with more integrity than what Fido just coughed up, I'll respond.
Arch says
Vlad. I see even your animals try to rid their system of you! Poor things! |
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Any father of a son "serving" in the military would be hard pressed not to acknowledge nor challenge the ignorant musings of sewage-face. That said, it gives brief pause to considering that perhaps you've identified one more of this weasel's character flaws--his unwillingness, or, inability to stand tall for his son.
Either that-----SJA-------or, you've just uncovered another of his lies.
Good work, grasshopper.
I very much enjoyed, SEADOG's address to her yesterday.
By the way---do you consider what SNL might do with the material created by the administration's blatant blunder in calculating a better outcome in "dissing" FoxNews yesterday?
The prospects are at least worth a passing thought... |
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SJA writes: Friday, October, 23, 2009 10:09 AM
Arch
Are you still here?
Arch says
Yep. For a little while! |
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"Arch
Are you still here?"
The timing could not be better.
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"Believe this one or not, but the chicks in my basic cycle admitted to joining so they could find a husband. Geesus!! How sad is that? I cringe at the thought."
I suppose I could believe it. I never worked women in the Navy until recruiting duty and these women were, like all Navy recruiters, in The Top Ten Percent of the Navy. It turned out that women were Recruiter in Charge (RINC) of my two largest stations -- one in Indiana and one in KY.
We had NO problem making female goal! The RINC in KY was, among other things, a Black woman who was the top recruiter in an eleven state area, for three years running. She used to take her new convertible to the business district of Lousiville, park it on the sidewalk and smile at women getting off of work. Her theory was that women leaving work was likely to be pi$$ed off about something, not paid too well, etc. She sure could round 'em up -- male and female!
I was later in a command with sixty-five percent women. My strongest watch supervisors were women.
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"I am sure you saw how quickly Vlad ran off yesterday rather than confront his liberal friend sewage mouth about her vile statements regarding our military men and women."
I told you I'm not responding to your lies any more. You judge me for not commenting on other people's statements, while just this morning you welcomed a documented child pornographer to this site. You condemn me for what I DON'T say. Well, what you DO say is on display to one and all, at least to those wearing rubber gloves when your name appears on the screen.
I respond to your posts - and clarityliar's - when I don't have anything more intellectually stimulating to do. Yesterday I had to go empty the kitty litter box, and just now one of the dogs has puked something up on the kitchen floor. When you are able to provide something with more integrity than what Fido just coughed up, I'll respond. |
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Good morning to you. Yes the interchangeable Val/Vlad as usual never addresses what is going on. He has put on his blindfold and has one foot over the cliff waiting for his messiah to order him to jump.
I am sure you saw how quickly Vlad ran off yesterday rather than confront his liberal friend sewage mouth about her vile statements regarding our military men and women. Funny he claims to be the father of a marine and has never commented on these kind of vile degrading statements. He has claimed in the past that he was not around when they were posted. Well yesterday he was here and when challenged he disappeared instead. Shows that his lib buddies and his Obama fawning are far more important to him than defending the son he claims to have serving this country. |
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How 'bout that supremely desperate post by "Val", er, "Vlad" (one in the same), right next to yours.
Yes---let's distract and divert attention from all of the huge miscalculations and strategic blunders and arrogance and ignorance this guy is operating with.
No----rather than focusing on the realities of the moment-----the issues of the, here-and-now, let's all continue to stroll down memory lane---as this administration does every time it pulls out the, "Blame-Bush", "we inherited thihs mess", "HEY---it was a NEAR-DEPRESSION we just averted this country from", "We received no briefing from Bush on the military strategy during the transitional period", and a veritable host of other excusings, distractions, obfuscations, etc.
Indeed, "val", er, "vlad" is in lockstep rhetoric with his, Messiah, in only looking back, while tripping over all that lies in the road at his feet. |
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OK, part of yesterday's pop quiz was a trick question, so maybe some of you can help me out.
1. How long did Bush and Cheney sit on a recommendation for more troops in Afghanistan?
Answer: EIGHT MONTHS. And what was their final decision? Answer: THERE WASN'T ANY. They NEVER acted on it.
2. How long did it take Town Hall to attack Bush for his failure to act?
Answer: Need some help on that one. It's awfully slow going back through old threads. Tell you what: I'll bet you my next paycheck it was more than 80 days. Any takers? |
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Each morning I get a good laugh reading your desperate posts.
Your post to Nee this morning was particularly desperate. I am sure you realize that our Military for years has been paid far less than most would get in private industry. Obviously you think that those wonderful perks that those auto union workers get for doing the dangerous job of slapping on a bumper are just compensation.
You find it funny that conservatives take their education benefit, you know their compensation for putting their lives on the line. Their compensation for being told when to work and where to live. Their compensation for not getting paid overtime no matter how many hours they work is taking something from the government. It is their pay moron.
Do you take your whole paycheck and all your benefits? I'll bet you do. Benefits are a big part of what these fine men and women get for risking their lives. They certainly do not get big bonuses or large monthly paychecks For giving up their freedoms to to serve their country. Your statement to Nee shows how libs never think before they post. Guess you had a nice big pitcher of Kool-Aid this morning for breakfast. |
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Nee
I did join under Reagan, so there were some bonuses for me. College fund, and 75% tuition if I took classes. All you had to have was the ambition to see it through.
Me- What, you took advantage of a (GASP) government program?
One of my favorite things, "Conservatives" who are against big government, unless it's a program they cash in on. |
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I came from a middle class family (back when America HAD a middle class) and joined because my dad had served in WWII, and that's what a man did, he served his country.
Got a college degree when I was in the reserves, have been very successful at what I do, despite the current economic climate.
But, yeah, I saw a lot of people who were outright lied to by recruiters and they were an absolute mess to supervise because they had no idea what they were in for or what the job entailed. Saw one guy who went through AIT (Advanced Individual Training) for the third time because he could not pass the tests. (He was also from the deep south, thought women didn't belong in the military, and believed in the whole "Talking Snake" theory of science.) |
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Wow, you think you're clever,eh?
Where did you serve?
I served in teh army for 11 years and got out at the rank of Staff Sergeant, and was decorated for my service. What did you accomplish, scheisskopf? |
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I joined to serve the Country, be a part of something bigger. It was the best thing I ever did.
Believe this one or not, but the chicks in my basic cycle admitted to joining so they could find a husband. Geesus!! How sad is that? I cringe at the thought.
I did join under Reagan, so there were some bonuses for me. College fund, and 75% tuition if I took classes. All you had to have was the ambition to see it through.
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"but what I saw when I was in were a lot of people who joined because they weren't going to get a lot of job options otherwise. Kids who signed up to get a college education, but then couldn't string together a readable sentence or do simple math. Yes, a lot of kids DO join because they are poor and they don't have any other career prospects..."
I guess when you want to visit one of them you need only look in the mirror.
Thump!
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I know, but it doesn't make me less mad. I remember how our Vietnam guys were treated by many of the same parasitical useful idiots now in control of our government. This has been their goal for decades, demilitarize the EEEVILE
United States.
I neglected to say one of my sons is also in Iraq til midwinter. Psalm 91 gets a nightly
workout.
I forget which troll opined only the dumb ones enlist (or something on that order)..hmmm..I guess his other name must be Lurch..or Jon I wuz in veenamm Karry. |
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Repeatedly caught in lie after lie after lie, this liar was' exposed, then she shrunk away, embarrassed for being the lyin' sack of shyte that she was and is. This liar has no credibility, NONE. This liar, again should be run out on a rail. Sent back to leftistville, where lyin' is not only tolerated, but it is accepted, nurtured, and enjoyed. Anytime you see, "skitzo" know one thing, this lyin' sack of shyte cannot even be honest enough to use her original handle. She is the liars, liar! Shes our "Dr" Roxana Meyers, noted liar and democrat town hall impostor, who lied, while extollin' the virtues of obama's govt. option. No one in their right mind would take serious this lyin' liar, so why would you believe kayboom, aka "skitzo"? Get out of here you lyin' liar. |
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Women, chicks, are more apt to "dither and waffle", over most things, but certainly in matters of grave importance, like national security. You can't ever have chicks in charge of national security. For this reason, even when the chick party is able to abscond an election, they should not be allowed anywhere near national security issues. National security should be off limits to the chick party. Let them decide if light days ovals or tampons are more appropriate, but not the defense of freedom and liberty. |
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I worked with
a lot of professional warriors during my career. Not one of them joined because they "had no other choice". Most of them joined because they love their country. Others joined because it's an excellent springboard to a good paying civilian job afterwards. Still others joined because they could get money for college. Some just wanted to give service for their country in return for all the wonderful benefits of being a citizen of the greatest country on earth. Only a moron or traitor would say that they "had no choice".
Me- Well, I served for 11 years, active and reserve, but what I saw when I was in were a lot of people who joined because they weren't going to get a lot of job options otherwise. Kids who signed up to get a college education, but then couldn't string together a readable sentence or do simple math. Yes, a lot of kids DO join because they are poor and they don't have any other career prospects...
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a lot of professional warriors during my career. Not one of them joined because they "had no other choice". Most of them joined because they love their country. Others joined because it's an excellent springboard to a good paying civilian job afterwards. Still others joined because they could get money for college. Some just wanted to give service for their country in return for all the wonderful benefits of being a citizen of the greatest country on earth. Only a moron or traitor would say that they "had no choice". |
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If you are foolproof vlad repellant, you are welcome on every post from now until doomsday (which may not be that long.....) |
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I had a Chief talk to me in a similar manner.
"Let's turn-to on that swab, sailor!" were his words to me that day.
Sometimes, when I'm feeling low, I think back on that advice....... |
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White House responds:
http://www.politico.com/politico44/perm/1009/no_dithering_7 2c09e61-e372-4ec7-b600-719ace41adbd.html#
"I think it's pretty safe to say that the vice president was for seven years not focused on Afghanistan," Gibbs said. "Even more curious given the fact that an increase in troops sat on desks in this White House, including the vice president's, for more than eight months."
And I see that Cheney's remarks were delivered to the Center for Security Policy, an organization that "advocates neoconservative and Wilsonian policies based on a philosophy of 'Peace through Strength'." The CSP believes that "international peace is most likely achieved, and America most secure, when our nation is strong and engaged with our key allies in ensuring freedom and democracy throughout the world."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_for_Security_Policy
Same old neocon suspects, IOW. Frank Gaffney and his ilk. They all deserve to be buried alive.
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"Well, you did say once that you're very close to the ocean."
Don't forget. Signal Hill is close to the ocean.
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SJA writes: Thursday, October, 22, 2009 5:16 PM
"Come Back Vlad"
Sorry. My bad. Spit shine tends to run and hide when he finds me on a thread.
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Well, you did say once that you're very close to the ocean.
But since you've proved yourself to be a habitual liar, how do we know you DON'T live in Pacoima? Or (gulp) Granada Hills? |
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Proof positive that anything is possible! |
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A salute to your service, and, to your very effective smack down of Septic tank's myopic and disgusting assessment of those motivated to join the military.
Thanks for the chuckle...
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An old CPO used to round us kids up on the mid watch and lecture us on what the Navy expected from as seamen/petty officers/CPOs/officers. He was the only one I ever saw do this and much of what he told us was helpful throughout my long career.
One thing he said was: "You will have to make decisions when you are in charge of others. A decision you make might, someday, mean the difference between life and death for one or more of your subordinates. But, if you do not remember anything else I tell you, remember this: MAKE A DAMNED DECISION! It is you duty to do so."
Those were near to his exact words as best I remember them.
No one every told obama that. . .
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"Most join the military for lack of other options."
I really do not like to call a person a fool, but I do not know what else to call a person like you who knows nothing, except The Party Line.
Why don't you ask some folks WHY they joined the military. Their answers would surprise you.
I was once responsible for, roughly, one-half of Indiana and Kentucky. My recruiters were responsible for rounding up 120 recruits per month.
We tested most kids in the 10th thru 12th grades in both states -- very few schools did not permit testing. Those who joined the Navy (I cannot speak for the other services) scored very well on the ASVAB test.
Very few joined the military because they had no other options. Most who joined the military fell somewhere in the middle class. Most in the lower class could not pass the test or had trouble medically or morally.
FYI: You would have to recruit for a while to believe the terrible caliber of young folks running loose today. My recruiters were doing SOMETHING with 64 people to put ONE in the Navy. I don't mean just talking to somebody either. I mean screening them, testing them either locally or with the ASVAB. Hells of folks cannot qualify for the military.
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An admission of more moniker games, by one.
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"I've never even been there after living in LA for decades."
Ahhhhh the elitist speaks. Too good to go amongst the "little people".
Speaking of waffling!
She can't touch fact one about her accusations of Cheney.
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what on earth is that about? Who the f' lives in Pacoima? I've never even been there after living in LA for decades.
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Yes, he has no shame.
Impugned Meredith Jessup's character, of which she responded to.
She denied his accusations.
His response?
Nothing. No apology. Nothing.
I have just concurred with him that Bush took many weeks to respond to military requests for more troops. That is true.
Now---in defense of Obama, and his delay in making a decision--it's not as if he's not been busy with other things.
Every day he meets for 2 1/2 hours with Liberal media in his offices.
Just last month he spent long hours preparing for, strategizing, then flying to Belgium to negotiate, argue, and present a well thought out case for the IOC to bring the Olympics to Chicago (his success was a repeat of his similar negotiations with, Russia, NATO, and other groups he's met with this year).
He successfully brought together a cop and a teacher--for a beer--in the rose garden.
He has diligently worked to bring about attention to the PRAVDA-like FoxNews. Sent out all of his minions to all the Sunday shows this past week.
He has worked tirelessly at bringing down, Rush Limbaugh. You know what they say, "The bigger they are, the harder they are to fell". It's been a very tough gig, this one.
Busy...busy...busy...this Obama-guy... |
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Now there's terrible place.
I was born in San Fernando, Kaboom. I remember Pacoima quite well. Can't even imagine what it's like these days, but maybe it has something to do with the way you are.
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Yeah----"ditto" on your rants.
Ever since you jumped aboard the "BIRTHER" bus, I stopped reading you---it was that disappointing.
Prior to that you had some points---and not only the one atop your head.
Today's departure was when you addressed me on the POT/Alcohol thread. That was where you defended "VAL", er "VLAD (one in the same) for not writing that he preferred a pilot, "stoned rather than drunk". You guys actually argued that he did not say that when it is in black and white.
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"He committed genocide on millions of Iraqis."
Millions? Thanks for the weather report in Pacoima.
Hot. Blazing hot as to cause dizziness and lack of reason.
Please source your info on the "millions" LOL!
Who counted them?
Now!.. Back up your reasoning on Cheney.
Dates, times, laws broken. Charges filed. Investigations underway. Concrete evidence.
Obama moving on? If genocide was committed what is more important?
Fox news or mass murder? Good luck explaining that.
Again as I predicted. Talking out of your azzzzhattt.
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"It was a question, boy. You got an answer?"
Showing a little fire! Way to go finally.
Coming out of the gate with fists clenched and swinging away!
Hey speaking of fists........... |
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Sewage has a message for you about your son. |
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[[Pop quiz
When Afghan commander (at the time) McKiernan sent a request for 30,000 more troops last year, how long did the Bush/Cheney administration sit on the request before responding?
For extra credit: how long after the request was submitted did it take Town Hall to attack Bush for not responding sooner?]]
(Sound of crickets chirping.)
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no, you repost it. I stand by it though.
End these neocon wars pushed by little men who never served a NY second in the military. Who dodged the draft. Who are at the beck and call of the oil companies.
What did Cheney do? He committed genocide on millions of Iraqis. He knowingly sent our troops into Iraq, which had nothing to do with 9/11, knowing full well there were no WMD. Why it hasn't happened yet? Because Obama has wanted to move forward, to put those evil beings into the ground, but Cheney, unlike Bush, won't go quietly. He is truly not just evil but nuts. He wants vindication, and he'll take all of your sons and daughters into their graves to get it.
Most join the military for lack of other options. Sorry, no one would go into a killing operation without their backs against the wall. That is the shamefulness of these wars...taking advantage of those who are either desperate, or those who believe the lies from the neocons.
When Rohrbacher and Lee agree, the neocons and Cheney better start looking for cover. |
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Vlad has no shame. He can't even stand up for his own son against one of his lib buddies. What a waste he is. |
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Seems you ignore a simple question. I guess your liberalism is more important that defending your son. Very sad. |
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"Finally, a kernel of truth sneaks out of this lopsided, plagiarism-accusing low life.
Okay---you got a point there, punk."
It was a question, boy. You got an answer? What? Clarityseeker doesn't have an answer? What? SJA repeats lies when he's stuck for an answer?
Must be a day that ends in a "y." |
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"Cheney is a murderer. He should be on trial."
Still can't tell me how and why. And more importantly, why no action to date?
As I predicted.
How's Pacoima today? |
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"Sad so many who think like that and very dangerous to boot."
Sadder yet (or should I being saying stranger yet) is that they somehow think they are immuned from shrapnel or the effects of a dirty bomb or like attack.
I just don't get it. |
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"clarityseeker,
I will let Cicero get back to you on most of that."
Don't hold your breath. Except for occasional flashes of lightning, I ignore clarityseeker's irrational rants.
I think I've pretty much said all I'm going to say here. If I respond to everyone here who's commented since my last comment, I'd pretty much be repeating myself.
But I will say "ditto" to this comment from Dread:
"I would rather have a president who did nothing, than one who did the consistently wrong thing."
Doing consistently the wrong thing is pretty much what Bush/Cheney did, which is why I think Cheney should shut up. As for Obama, I do want him to do something: I want him to put an end the Neocon Wars. We'll see if he has the mettle to do that.
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Say....when did you stop beating your wife? |
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You make us sick. And why don't you repeat what you posted yesterday for Vlad. You know how the soldiers joined because they had no other choices. Why not re-post the entire comment for Vlad. He claims to have a son in the marines right now and I am sure he would love to hear what you had to say about his son. |
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scribbles,
"When Afghan commander (at the time) McKiernan sent a request for 30,000 more troops last year, how long did the Bush/Cheney administration sit on the request before responding?"
Ding...ding...ding.
Finally, a kernel of truth sneaks out of this lopsided, plagiarism-accusing low life.
Okay---you got a point there, punk.
Now---let's get back to all of the other FAILURES of Obama's. Oh...and while we're at it, name just one success he's orchestrated-----other than hiring at least a dozen tax-cheats, covering for ACORN, excusing Marxist-loving, "Truther-torch bearer", Van Jones, and Mao-lover, Anita Dunn, etc., etc., etc. |
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"I'm game", you would say that once up here during this time of the year, HUNTING SEASON. |
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from Wink Martindale, Val is a drunk biitch. |
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"A Stinking pustule of spicule licking"
I don't get it. I was merely lauding the many military credentials of Former Sub President Cheney. Here's a guy that is/was so popular during his administration's rein, that they didn't even need him to speak at the GOP convention last year.
If this guy was any more of a Patriot! and a Greater American, I think his head would explode and American flags would spring from his neck.
So, tell me again, how many other Great American Patriots sanctioned torture? |
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you folks hate the troops. You send them into harm's way blindly, without a plan, without strategy. Like the last 8 years.
Tell me what the plan or strategy is in Afghanistan? What was it under Bush/Cheney? Why did they ignore it and head over to Iraq? Oil, you think? What do you think about T. Boone Pickens saying that we are entitled to Iraq's oil because our troops died there? Really? Was that the bargain you clowns extracted for your kids, their blood, their lives, for 'oil'? Not for our nation's safety, but for T. Boone Pickens' profit, right? That's what patriotism is all about, right, rushing blindly into a conflict without a plan, based on false intelligence, ginned up 'fear', when the rest of the nation isn't sacrificing jack sh-t, but you are happy to send your kids' into that fray.
No one should fight unless our national interests are at stake. WW2, yes, WW1, no. Korea, maybe. Vietnam, no. Iraq, no. Afghanistan, no.
Cheney is a murderer. He should be on trial. He is speaking out because he knows that they are eventually going to put him on trial for war crimes. Why not continue the insanity? Lose more lives to justify the ones already lost?
I'm not alone on this ...Congressman Rohrbacher and Congresswoman Lee, as different as you can get, favor pulling the troops out of Afghanistan. Senator Kerry says let's see how the election goes.
But the crowd here still clamors for blood lust. American 'exceptionalism', right, send your kids to fight for nothing because we are always right.
You all make me sick. |
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Still waiting for your response regarding septics comments about our soldiers. You know like your son. |
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Ignore val-u-less. She hasn't got a clue. Mixes her vodka with kool-aid. Makes her drunk and stupid at the same time. |
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When Afghan commander (at the time) McKiernan sent a request for 30,000 more troops last year, how long did the Bush/Cheney administration sit on the request before responding?
For extra credit: how long after the request was submitted did it take Town Hall to attack Bush for not responding sooner? |
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Val writes: Thursday, October, 22, 2009 4:07 PM
Cheney: odious cretin
and now an out of power odious cretin.
Funny how you can apply that term for Cheney when it fits the out-of-power Gore,the empty headed blimp - and the out-of-power, treason ba$tard Carter, so much better.
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The hatred for the military that Obama exhibits certainly plays to his crowd. Just read post like the ones from sewage mouth aka Kaboom. Sad so many who think like that and very dangerous to boot. |
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and now an out of power odious cretin.
Whoever would see the day when I would agree with cicero.
I believe his very first post is an EXCELLENT SENTIMENT.
Unless of course if anybody knows Wink Martindale's take on the situation? That might be evn more valuable that Cheney's opinion.
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You write,
"...It is Obama and his minions that have consistently attacked Bush and Cheney."
And to that point---it is those, like Sickero, who only see it in the reverse. Sickero comes out on this thread blazing against Cheney. My earlier posts attempt to point out that Sickero is quick to the draw in telling Cheney to shut up.
I've not seen anything telling Al Gore to "shut up" in the very counterproductive positions he's taken on, climate change.
OR----Jimmy Carter's near-30 year mission to denigrate America on the world stage---and, to persistently paint Israel as the lone bad guy in that region.
Jimmy Carter was close to Yasser Arafat. He met secretly with Arafat years before he took the office of POTUS----and, has hugely come out against Israel since. |
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Great Post!!
The Pied Piper has wasted 10 weeks on this decision and it can be disastrous for COIN (counterinsurgency)operations. It takes orchestration to get the troops on the ground,and ready even if they have been waiting to be deployed.
(Google COP Keating) |
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"I think all must face the fact that this administration really has no use for the military."
You are, regretfully, correct.
My biggest fear is that our military may decide in time that enough is enough.
Not a pleasant scenario to contemplate. |
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As I said some of those with no skin in the game seem to be just fine with this jerk sitting on his hands. I think all must face the fact that this administration really has no use for the military. |
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ACTUALLY, CHENEY MAY NOT HAVE TO BOTHER POINTING OUT ALL OF OBAMA'S FAILURES WITH THE WAR IN AFGHANISTAN IF OBAMA HAD ANY EXPERIENCE, AND BALLS, OR ANY CONCERN OR COMMITTMENT TO THE MEN AND WOMEN IN UNIFORM WHOM HE HIMSLEF SAID "HAVE TO WIN THIS WAR OVER THERE."
But then why the hell should we expect Obama to stand by anything he has said, since he has lied through his tobacco stained teeth from day one? The reason he has not made a decision on the troops Mc Crystal asked for, is that he knows it could mean his demise as President. His career will be over if he makes the wrong move, and since he doesn't has a stinking clue what to do about anything military, he is no doubt scared shiitless. Poor ignorant inepxperienced buffoon. I almost feel sorry for him....NOT!!!!! You can't put a child in to do a man's job, |
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I think you have that backwards sir. It is Obama and his minions that have consistently attacked Bush and Cheney. I think they have used tremendous restraint when it comes to answering those attacks.
I believe that it is time for some of the Bush administration to speak out and speak out loudly. I was not a fan of Bush, he was not a true conservative and I am, but he was not attempting to take us down the socialist path and destroy our freedoms as this clown is now doing. As bad as you may think the Iraq war was do you believe that it was worse than the attack on our freedoms that we face today. We will recover from Iraq but I doubt if this clown gets his way we will every get back to a free America, just another socialist country with sheep who sit back and wait for the government to dole out what they decide we need. |
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Are you related to "val-u-less"?
She kinda writes like you as well:
"Her, like her father, spent ___ years in the military before ______." |
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Barry is stuck. That should not be surprising.
The far left Maoist (that's right trolls, I said Maoist, bring your sources, I'll bring mine) base desperately wants the US to lose and suffer great humilation. Big problem for Barry and his procrastination doesn't bode well for him and a Dem congress facing re-election soon.
Cicero if I understand you correctly, you sit on the Liberterian side of the fence. Please correct me if I'm wrong. If I am correct, I understand and respect the spirit of your opinion but I do respectfully disagree. |
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I agree with you, he/they are directly responsible for the losses, really since he took office, more so since McChrystals report. Did you see the picture of where the base was situated when the last nine were murdered (and yes MURDERED)..by this administration because of the dithering. I understand that the weapons malfunctioned also, overheated white hot.
I'm not anywhere an expert in things military but I do have common sense and that tells me you don't locate a base in a VALLEY and expect your
troops to be able to defend themselves shooting uphill.
I'm the wife of a Navy vet, mother and m in law of Navy vets and grandmother of a Navy medic attached to the Marines..and I am MAD! That these pusillanimous so called leaders will wage
a WAR..against a News Channel while real Americans are being placed in harms way, without any help from the presumed CinC..this again is
another reason WHY this CinC's status needs to be
resolved..IS BARRY A LEGIT POTUS OR A USURPING
NON NATURAL BORN FRAUD. The Congress and Judiciary OWE it to those in harms way and their families..as well as the rest of America. One way or the other..Is he or ain't he? |
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"Chaney is a Patriot!"
I agree! Cheney fought for and served his country proudly in from ___ to ____, earning several medals for ____, ____ and ____.
Following his years of military service, Cheney further demonstrated his Patriotism! by ____ and _____.
Then following 9/11, Cheney acted Most Patriotic of All when he went to _____ where he _______.
Finally, what was more Patriotic! than Cheney advocating the invasion of Iraq, a county that had attacked us ____, ____, and again on _____. Not to mention, Iraq had stockpiles of _______ and had numerous connections to AQ, including high level meetings in _____, ____, and ____.
Finally, Cheney's Patriotism! can be seen in his daughter (not the lesbian one, the other one). Her, like her father, spent ___ years in the military before ______. |
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So by doing nothing you let our soldiers be sitting ducks. 100 now dead while Obama does nothing.
Obviously you have no skin in the game but many parents, husbands, wives and children do.
What is wrong is the fact that Obama has plenty of time for campaigning, plenty of time to appear and joke with Letterman but no time to make a decision regarding the future of our military men.
By the way your messiah has done nothing but make mistakes from the moment he entered the White House doors. Too bad you don't see it. |
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Unfortunately you have one who does both. |
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I will let Cicero get back to you on most of that.
As a precursor, I'd warn against assuming there are only two sides to a debate. If Cicero responds, this will make more sense. |
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What do you expect when you make the black Abby Hoffman the commander-in-chief....Patton?
This guy is between a rock and a hard place: if he doesn't send the troops, it's mission fail.....if he sends them, he p!sses off his base....perhaps permanently. It's a no-win for him personally, and you can't expect a worthless turd like Barry to see the good of the country as his priority.
When in doubt, he does nothing and hopes the problem will solve itself.
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Per the following referenced statement: Cicero writes: Thursday, October, 22, 2009 1:18 PM:
"Actually, Cheney needs to shut up."
I feel soooo very grieved that I actually misjudged you: Where was my head. In fact, Cicero, YOU NEED TO SHUT UP!
When lies are chronically applied to innocent situations....anyone, including Cheney, has every dang right to speak up!
Lies, liars, and habitual lying appear to be the benchmark (mantra) of BO's presidency. What a superb legacy. HoooooHaaaaa! |
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[Do you feel comfortable with a President who does not have the guts to make a decision.]
I would rather have a president who did nothing, than one who did the consistently wrong thing.
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...and there you have it.
Well put, very well put. |
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Let's take Sickero's comment at, 1:30 PM and change it up a little----injecting the name of Jimmy Carter into his comment---and then, considering that Carter has been spewing his vitriol against, Israel, America for THREE DECADES since having left his pathetic presidency. Here it goes:
"Crispian, I don't think [CARTER] realizes
just how deeply unpopular he was, the role he played in the ushering in of Ayatollah, adn subsequent terrorists, why most Americans accordingly wish he'd just shut his trap. Nothing he says is going to change American dissaf(f)ection with this war anyway. What does he actually hope to accomplish?"
CRISPIAN----how's that? Only problem is----it's one narrative you would not hear from this SICKERO (aka "cicero)
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Do you feel comfortable with a President who does not have the guts to make a decision.
If Obama is now of the mindset that this is not the "right war" after seeing all the documentation that obviously we are not privy to then he should be a man and admit his mistake.
Do you really believe that this little game he is playing is productive to anyone. Our troops wait for an answer while more die. We look extremely weak to the rest of the world and he takes his time to think about things.
This shows his inability to be a leader. Make a decision right or wrong but at least commit to something besides destroying our country with his health care, cap and tax and spending spree. |
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However----these clowns offering their 2 cents on Mr. Cheney's input are strikingly silent in considering the verbose catterwaul of Al Gore in having maintained his highly visible position in pushing the wacko idea of anthropomorphic global warming.
No---Gore won't engage in reasones dialogues with scientists in this field. No desire to DEBATE on this issue.
Just skitter in and out of the media, throwing his jabs and then retreating when well heeled scientists call him out to debate the issue.
NO-----these KEYBOARD COMMANDOS, like Sickero (aka Cicero) step up quickly to throw some smack at Cheney.
Where was Sickero when Jimmy Carter comes out and calls America, "among the stingiest countries in the world"?
Deafening silence in that arena. It does not show up on Sickero's radar screen, the defamatory, counter productive rhetoric of one of our most embarrassing, ex-president's in history
Where's Sickero when Carter gives the seat next to him at the DNC in 2003---to Michael Moore, calling Moore's Fahrenheit 9/11 piece-of-crap movie, "The best movie I have seen in my life".
No room for critiqueing that from Sickero. He's strangely silent in Al Gore's and Jimmy Carter's post-administration role.
But-----plenty of time to prattle about D*ck Cheney. What a maroon. |
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Amen, Retired Lady: "Cicero I think you have
seriously underestimated Cheney's love-of-country."
You can say whatever you want to about whatever business dealings you think he had/has (don't they all - shall we start with Madame Pelosi and her Star Kist deal and the stimulus?), but Chaney is a Patriot!
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Americans are taking notes and paying attention to who's who.Who's saying what.These are dangerous times. Wouldn't want to be on the wrong side. |
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"So Obama ran on the platform that Afghanistan was the good war. Please tell us what has changed."
I don't particular care what Obama said. I certainly don't rely on him on a truthful account of things.
As for what's changed (if anything), see the Independent article I linked above.
But nothing's really changed. Afghanistan is STILL "where empires go to die."
http://www.takimag.com/site/article/afghanistan_where_empir e_goes_to_die/
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"The War in Afghanistan is no longer a good war, except to the 'pro-war, any war' crowd, of which Cheney is a principal spokesman."
It was the 'good war' according to the Democrats for the last several years (including Obama).
I think Cheney's being honest. And Obama shouldn't 'dither.' Obama needs to commit to a plan. Maybe not Cheney's plan, but some plan.
I agree with Colin Powell's assessment that after an invasion, we own the mess we make. Obama has exhibited uncertain military leadership and that is dangerous.
"**(In fact, Cheney is SO bad that the TH filters won't allow his nickname to be written in these comments boxes!)"
That is amusing. |
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"He needs to be prosecuted. I bet he'll take the fifth then."
Been hearing that for a long time now.
Should we place that in the same file as Don't Ask Don't Tell?
Or under Health Care Reform by July?
Or under there is no case and if there is the Obama admin is too stupid to figure it out?
Or.... we have to get rid of that menace Glen Beck and Fox News first?
Or under Kaboom doesn't know what she is talking about and maybe should source some proof of her accusations. Not her misguided instructions from her supervisors.
Which of those is it Kaboom? Remember an insult laden retort is the same as, "I am Kaboom and I am in Pacoima talking out of my azzzhat once again!" |
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gibbi is just another one of thousands of puppets. I'm sure he wasn't even at those meetings when obama was briefed about afganistan. and of course he'll believe anything his black master tells him. Plus I'm sure he's pretty tired from lying every day about every obama issue for the past 10 months. He, looks a little silly now when he talks, his lying smile is turning into his lying frustration. He is really turning into a fool. Obama's fool. |
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Stop dithering and waffling and make a decision and stick with it for years, even when you know it's wrong, even if your policy fails and does the opposite of what's intended and gets more Americans killed, stick with it just so the terrorist know our resolve to continually screw ourselves over.
Because to admit error is a sign of weakness. |
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So Obama ran on the platform that Afghanistan was the good war. Please tell us what has changed. Was he stupid when he campaigned or now. He cannot leave our troops out on a limb while he tries to back track. Perhaps he should have taken a little more time to know the facts before he campaigned with such arrogance. |
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seriously underestimated Cheney's love-of-country. I don't think Cheney gives a flying rat's ... for the media's perception and reporting of his views. His concern is for the troops in harm's way. According to Captain Obumbles the "good war" is Afghanistan, yet still he dithers! As Cheney stated this irresolution will only embolden al-Qaeda and the Taliban more. |
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Obama's game playing and politicizing troop and equipment needs has cost us more men. He is directly responsible for the recent deaths of our soldiers in Afghanistan because he is not a commander in chief, he's a crooked Chicago politician with a socialist agenda. Impeach him. |
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The reason Barry is "dithering" and "waffling" is because he has absolutely no idea what he's doing. He was the one who said Afghanistan was the "important" war and the war worth fighting. He got the game plan from the prior administration long before coming into office. He should have studied it - or had some "advisor" study it so he knew what he was going to do. If he didn't want to do that, then he needs to listen to the "boots on the ground" general. |
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That's part of the reason I think he is expressing honest concern. He doesn't care about how unpopular he was/is. Americans are as apathetic about Afghanistan as the media lets them be. Americans know the Iraq War is bad, but they're told Afghanistan is a good war. I think Cheney thinks he can push the debate, despite his persona. |
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I don't agree, Cicero.
When the Obama administration continues to use the "we are the anti-Bush" mantra to inflate the value of their own action or inaction, Cheney has the right to speak up - not only to defend himself, but also in support of what is true. He is not returning a volley because he is eager to continue a private war with Obama, he is deflating a false construct by countering a lie with the truth.
I am with Crispian in thinking Cheney is honest in his concern for national security and for wisdom in the use of our forces in Afghanistan. In contrast, the Obama administration behaves as though concern for our national security is irrelevant - a relic of pre-internationalist thinking. |
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created the mess. If he knew how to fix it, he should have. He needs to be prosecuted. I bet he'll take the fifth then. |
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just how deeply unpopular he was, the role he accordingly played in Obama's victory, and why most Americans accordingly wish he'd just shut his trap. Nothing he says is going to change American dissafection with this war anyway. What does he actually hope to accomplish? |
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Interesting perspective. I think Cheney is honest in his concern for national security and issues like Afghanistan.
Whether he is politically wise or factually right, I don't know. |
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He no longer runs the country, and his ongoing war with Obama is getting tiresome. |
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