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For "GOP" candidates.....
Pointing out the fact that GOP candidates are held to a higher standard. Democratic candidates would probably seek out endorsements from even Spitzer and McGreevey.
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For "GOP" candidates.....
Pointing out the fact that GOP candidates are held to a higher standard. Democratic candidates would probably seek out endorsements from even Spitzer and McGreevey.
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The real question is, who didn't know this guy was a pervert?
When a presidential candidate has a record of being incredibly pro homosexual, who and what will flock to his side to support him. Birds of a feather flock together.
We should look at the other politicians who support Mitt and check them out also.
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No one has noted this yet, but I think it is a sign of a well-oiled and responsive campaign machine that the Mitt Romney campaign was able to remove Craig's video from YouTube so quickly. |
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It is absurd to say Mitt Romney is "pro-homosexual". He is nothing of the kind. He just believes that since gays are human beings, they should be treated like human beings.
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vote. He was endorsed by the Homosexual newspaper "Bay Windows" in Boston as Governor. In 1994 he received the endorsement of the "Log Cabin Republicans" organization. As Governor, he told Catholic Services to "Place orphan children in Gay Homes or go out of business!" In 12-27-05, the conservative web site of "Human Events on Line" voted Mitt as #8 for the top 10 Rinos in American Government.........He ain't conservative!(See MASSRESISTANCE.ORG for the truth.) |
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Obviously you have never stopped at a rest stop in MA, to rest. Obviously you are unaware of the education program in MA. Obviously you are unaware that Mitt called on the Boy Scouts of America to allow gays in. Obviously you are unaware that Mitt has been publicly pro homosexual his entire time as Governor of MA. Obviously you are unaware that Mitt tried to force Catholic Charities to accept homosexuals as legal adoptive parents. Etc.....
That is a lot different than what you state. His record is public knowledge. It didn't take me long to find out his record, considering it is being plastered everywhere. I would suggest you go research Mitt and his record. |
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"As Governor, he(Romney) told Catholic Services to "Place orphan children in Gay Homes or go out of business!"
If this is right than I got a REAL problem with Mitt!
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I have seen two different terms used on TH.com and don't know what they mean exactly. RINO and CINO?
Could you tell me please. |
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RINO - Republican in Name Only
CINO - Conservative in Name only
See also "Squish" or "Red Tory" ... |
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Both the RINO and CINO things are stupid. Some people just feel you have to be all or nothing. |
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mantlejim has misrepresented Romney's position on the gay adoption law in MA. When the law passed, Romney introduced a bill to exempt religious groups from the law because it interfered with religious practice. But that failed in the legislature.
In the end, Romney was not authorized to exempt Catholic Charities from having to comply with the Gay Adoption law, which is a FAR CRY from the way mantlejim has represented it.
Romney has always rightly believed that children have a right to a MOTHER and a FATHER.
Distortion of Romney's record is rampant here on TH. It may be the only thing you guys have left in your bag of tricks. LOL |
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I think you are wrong.
Mitt Romney demonstrates his commitment to homosexual "rights" before becoming Governor of Massachusetts in January 2003:
* 1994 Campaign vs. Ted Kennedy for U.S. Senate: Romney pledged he “will provide more effective leadership” than Kennedy on homosexual rights; endorsed by Log Cabin Republicans.
* 2000-2002: As head of Salt Lake City Olympic Committee, Romney banned Boy Scouts from participating.
* 2001 Called first citizens' petition to define marriage “too extreme” and “bigoted” because it banned civil unions.
* 2002 Campaign for Governor: Romney makes promises to GLBT community, according to leading Boston homosexual newspaper; endorsed by homosexual activist Log Cabin Republicans. |
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Nov. 18, 2003 Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court (SJC) rules that same-sex marriage is protected in the Mass. Constitution, and gives the Legislature 180 days to act (“Goodridge” ruling).
* Nov. 18, 2003 Romney responds to SJC ruling with four-sentence statement implicitly recognizing SJC’s authority, says only remedy will be a constitutional amendment: “I disagree with the Supreme Judicial Court. Marriage is an institution between a man and a woman. I will support an amendment to the Massachusetts Constitution to make that expressly clear. Of course, we must provide basic civil rights and appropriate benefits to nontraditional couples, but marriage is a special institution that should be reserved for a man and a woman.”
* Nov.-Dec. 2003 Romney reportedly working with Legislators promoting “civil unions”.
* Jan. 2004 Romney silent on proposal to remove four SJC justices through Bill of Address (put forward by Article 8 Alliance / MassResistance).
* Feb. 4, 2004 SJC tells Legislature that civil unions for same-sex couples will not satisfy its interpretation of the Mass. Constitution; only full-fledged marriage will do. |
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# Feb. 5, 2004 Romney publishes editorial in Wall Street Journal laying all blame on the SJC for problem in Massachusetts. Suggests other states strengthen marriage statutes and pass constitutional amendments. Says don’t “attack … gays, singles or non-traditional couples.”
# Feb. 2004 Justices of the Peace are told by their professional association they will be able to claim “conscientious objector” status and refuse to perform same-sex marriages -- though this was never agreed to by Romney administration.
# Feb.-May 2004 Pro-family leaders and columnists urge Romney to defy court, and issue Executive Order to block same-sex marriage; no public comment from Romney. |
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Let me guess. Your a Mormon (LDS)? |
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Larry Craig has been very solid against the gay agenda and very pro family. He is open borders but reliably conservative on all other issues.
There seems to be a growing number of prominent Republicans who fight for what is right but can't live up to the standards they set.
It would be best for Senator Craig to retire and let another Republican become Senator.
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Mitt Romney has always been in favor of equal rights (employment, etc). for gay citizens but has been adamantly opposed to gay marriage. Stop distorting the facts. |
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You know rumor has it, that there are paid Mormon bloggers here at TH.com.
I'm not saying it, but people are saying that its true. I have read it. So of course it's a natural question to ask you since you are defending Romney based on a record that is not what you say it is. Are you a Mormon?
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It's no different than if I asked someone if they were a Catholic, supporting JFK. I only want to understand your view point. Simple. |
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I went to one of the sites and read it. Here is a quote, taken from the site you sent me to.
"He said then that he supported local councils’ right to make local decisions, but that he personally opposed the policy. “I feel that all people should be allowed to participate in the Boy Scouts, regardless of their sexual orientation,” he said."
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Yes, I am LDS and very happy to say so, but what does it have to do with anything? - and it is obvious that if you were not a bigot, you would not have asked the question.
Paid Mormon bloggers here? One wonders whether you are capable of rational thought.
What is your motive in misrepresenting Romney's record? I only want to understand your viewpoint - simple. |
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You seem to have missed the whole point of the story - that Romney DID NOT bann the Boy Scouts from participating in the Olympics - no one did. The story is false.
I'm sure it was just an oversight on your part. And did you also miss the part about Romney actually being on the Boy Scout council?
Your misrepresentations are easily refuted. |
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No, I did not miss the fact that Mitt was on the excecutive board of the Boy Scouts. That is why I feel even strongly, that Mitt is supporting homosexuals and always has. It is clear and simple what he said. It is public record. There is no disputing it. Right from the horses mouth. Right from the article you sent me too.
I don't care what the author said in the article, I want to know what Mitt Romney said and he said the following. He personally opposed the Boy Scouts anti homosexual policy and he was on the excecutive board, as you clearly state.. Read it again.
"He said then that he supported local councils’ right to make local decisions, but that he personally opposed the policy. “I feel that all people should be allowed to participate in the Boy Scouts, regardless of their sexual orientation,” he said." |
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It's hard to get rid of the smell of a pig, if you play in the pig pen. |
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your misrepresentation. Did Romney ban the Boy Scouts from participation in the Olympics as you said? No, he did not.
You also chose not to acknowledge your misprepresentation on the Gay Adoption Law. Will you correct your statements?
It's also safe to assume that Romney's own sons were all scouts. Romney being on the board shows his committment to the Boy Scouts.
Equality under the law for homosexuals is a reasonable position that the majority of Americans agree with, and Romney has never advocated anything more than that, no matter how you miscontrue what he has said and done.
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tell me about it. she has only been debating you a few minutes and she already stinks to high heaven. |
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I'm sorry I ever responded to your irrational posts. Rush is right - never argue with a fool, and I might add - a bigot. It's not worth the energy.
Have a nice day anyway!
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Wow! That was a Grand Slam!!! The Red Sox win the world series and the MA voters stand and cheer, their new champion "mantlejim"!!!
portlandmom mom goes back to the bullpen (pigpen), her head held in shame.
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She Left after you could not answer the Majority of your falsehoods. and then she respectfully excused herself from and argument you couldnt win against yourself. and thats because you are wrong. read this and tell me if this sounds like a guy that is pro-homo. |
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i am currently at a shi**y work computer. But regardless. why cut off your nose to spite your face?? true, there has been some politics involved in politics. big surprise there. one of the things i look for in a candidate is someone that can keep his promises. and whether you think he flip flopped or not he kept his campaign promises. as far as abortion he said he would maintain the current law. whenever a law came to his desk that weakened that law, he vetoed it.
besides, do you really care that the boy scouts were not aloud to (Officially) participate in the events?? is it imperitive to our existance? or just an out dated campaign smear? |
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it is absolutely illogical that a culture of liberal voters could elect, and relect Ted Kennedy and John Kerry with such CONSISTANCY, only to awaken one morning and think how cool it would be to have a CONSERVATIVE Governor.......For what.....Grins and giggles?...NO!....Mitt Romney is a master salesman that becomes what he neads to be, inorder to close the deal....And he is a master salesman just as Ross Perot was. |
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Everything that is being portrayed about Mitt from Mitt, is not the Mitt of record.
In this day and age of law suits, Mitt would be even richer if he sued himself.
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Jay Sekulow's article was very helpful. Mitt did a great job with the Olympics and will make a great president. |
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"GRAND SLAM??"
I wouldn't call it a grand slam, just two people not in agreement, each one not willing to budge. |
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...that if mantlejim and judgedredd1 are typical of the enemies of Mitt Romney and the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, then neither Romney nor the Church has anything to worry about.
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that was my point. i hardly thought it was. the way i feel about it is there are proven facts on each side but those facts do not make one side wrong or right. it was situations that arose from very complex issues which cannot be colored in black and white. and the actions dont always portray the end result. like i said, there is more gray in politics than bill clintons fro' |
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Gee isn't it funny how Eichendorff and portlandmom and others hawk every Romney article and brow beat anyone who dislikes pro homosexual, pro abortion, pto gun control Romney.
You dear and kindest of them all Eichendorff, Romneys religion matters. Just like if a priest, reverened, bishop or a pope from another religion is running for office.
Perhaps you would like to tell us Romney's title within the Mormon Church or his positions held?
Is it not important to know if someone is a Bishop of a religion, a high priest, running for office?
Why do you want to hide what he is?
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Nobody is hiding anything, except perhaps you are desperately trying to hide any evidence of your own intelligence.
The positions Mitt Romney has held in the Church are not relevant to the presdidency except maybe in the area of experience in dealing with people and being able to understand the many different problems and challenges people face.
Romney's religion matters only to bigots like you.
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you all need to understand that positions in the church are very different than that of other churches. i would equate them to being appointed a boyscout leader. i know, bad example but it along the same lines as far as receiving callings. it is not a prestigious calling. you do not get paid. you donate your time to fill the position. you teach and guide members based on what you have always learned growing up in the church and from church materials. i would not even compare them to clergy's or pastors. pastors and such donate there life to there church. Mitt Participated in his faith. and i think that is the difference. |
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"Nobody is hiding anything"
Oh really, it wouldn't matter if a catholic pope was running for president of the United States?
Just answer the question?
What positions has he held in the Mormon Church?
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I'm sorry you feel so *sniff* browbeaten. *sob* Portlandmom and Eichendorff are so mean.
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This discussion has nothing to do with the Pope.
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"Nobody is hiding anything"
Oh really, it wouldn't matter if a catholic pope was running for president of the United States?
Just answer the question?
What positions has he held in the Mormon Church?
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"This discussion has nothing to do with the Pope."
Your right, it has everything to do with a man who holds a religious title and is running for office in the United States. Something that he and his church want to hide. Why?
What positions has he held in the Mormon Church?
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I honestly don't know for sure, and it really doesn't matter, except to bigots like you.
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...Mitt Romney has been released from all Church positions because he is so busy running for President that he is not able to fulfill any formal Church responsibility at the moment.
But, then, you don't really care about the important details, do you? You just want to bash Mormons as much as you possibly can.
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Hey Eichendorff do any of these titles ring a bell?
Bishop, Stake President, Missionary and High priest
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Why don't we talk about history and what happens when prior Mormon Church officials have held absolute power in the United States, over a population. Care to go there? |
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...it's all about Mormons. You're obsessed with them. I really pity people who are as stupid as you are, who have nothing better to do than bash someone else's religion.
This is my last response to you.
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Care to explain the Atonement of Blood and Brigham Young's public speech. Was he a public official? |
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Look above at the posts. I didn't bring up religion, you did. Further you decided to attack me by calling me a bigot. There is a book out, I'm not sure of the title, but it is something like this:
How to make friends and influence people.
Maybe you should give it a read. |
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Did you bother to read what they wrote? In the service we have an acronym for that it's RIF(f)...Reading is fundamental (f'er). It's hard to argue let alone debate if you don't actually listen to (read) the other persons perspective.
The "Highest" position he has held is a Bishop.
I put Highest in quotation because that is the word that you used. In reality it isn't a job that someone holds indefinitely instead it is a long-term volunteer position from which there is no pay received, and no prestige received.
Exactly how gay is a 10 yr old scout anyways? Did it occur to anyone that associating with "normal" kids might help a child that couldn't distinguish healthy sexual roles because he had not learned them at home. How much participation can the BSA really have in the Olympics? Are you worried about them tying a big Gay knot and some how turning all of the other countries gay too?
Why are you making a big deal about the "Log Cabin Republicans" endorsements. Umm Hello? , they are Republicans. And at the current rate they we treating him with more civility than some of the Ignorant on here are. Even though all he promised to do was to Enforce the law. An Executive order given by a Governor expires at the end of his term, or it would be overriden when the next Governor took office. It would have been a stop gap at best and completely ineffective in the long run.
I would vote for the Pope if he was a Republican (and acted like it), but I would not vote for Harry Reid (D-NV) for President even though he is the same religion as myself and Mitt Romney.
The Real Question in my opinion is not who are you Neanderthals against... since that is so obvious.
Who are you for? |
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Did you bother to read what they wrote? In the service we have an acronym for that it's RIF(f)...Reading is fundamental (f'er). It's hard to argue let alone debate if you don't actually listen to (read) the other persons perspective.
The "Highest" position he has held is a Bishop.
I put Highest in quotation because that is the word that you used. In reality it isn't a job that someone holds indefinitely instead it is a long-term volunteer position from which there is no pay received, and no prestige received.
Exactly how gay is a 10 yr old scout anyways? Did it occur to anyone that associating with "normal" kids might help a child that couldn't distinguish healthy sexual roles because he had not learned them at home. How much participation can the BSA really have in the Olympics? Are you worried about them tying a big Gay knot and some how turning all of the other countries gay too?
Why are you making a big deal about the "Log Cabin Republicans" endorsements. Umm Hello? , they are Republicans. And at the current rate they we treating him with more civility than some of the Ignorant on here are. Even though all he promised to do was to Enforce the law. An Executive order given by a Governor expires at the end of his term, or it would be overriden when the next Governor took office. It would have been a stop gap at best and completely ineffective in the long run.
I would vote for the Pope if he was a Republican (and acted like it), but I would not vote for Harry Reid (D-NV) for President even though he is the same religion as myself and Mitt Romney.
The Real Question in my opinion is not who are you guys against... since that is so obvious.
Who are you for? |
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i am republican and i am starting to hate my own party becuase of its disgusting members. this guy makes me sick. he does this and then has teh arrogance to stick around and tell us he didn't do it.
romney and all the candidates should simply say, i don't want any endorsements from the trash in washington. power ruined, arrogant, losers.
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there can't be anything worth reading here if he is posting his anti mormon rants. |
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Thanks for bringing up Romney and religion again.
Do Mormon Church heirarchy get a special pass not to have their religion braught up, especially when a member of the clergy is running for president? Romney holds a position above a Mormon Bishop.
A religion that has a history of poligamy, murder and massacre right here in the United States.
Over 3000 people have watched this video, since you called me a bigot. Thanks "smith" for helping me see the truth of mormonism.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvaGLT-_GhY
Here is a great one that explains mormon teachings.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5dscqcNOGM&mode=related&search=
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Any position that Romney held he doesn't hold it any more. Only a small number of positions are permanent. Unlike reverands or pastors our positions aren't for life.
Further more perhaps we should hold Judge accountable for his bootlegging ancestors or how about one of his grandparents that owned slaves. It seems that you are attempting to pin too much on one individual. It's a good thing the courts don't work like this "judge". Because if they did one guy would commit murder and his whole family would be given the death penalty. |
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