Monday, July 31, 2006
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"Mad Mel" and his Malibu Meltdown
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Posted by:
Michael Medved at
9:42 PM
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The anti-Semitic rant which accompanied Mel Gibson's drunk driving arrest in Malibu raised the incident from the level of tawdry tabloid embarrassment to an act of image-shattering self-destruction, while providing abundant fodder to celebrity gossips, late night comedians, and the actor-director's innumerable enemies. Those of us who defended and praised Gibson for his outspoken Catholic commitment, and for his refreshing efforts to use the movie medium to advance his faith, now feel betrayed and, yes, a bit humiliated. In that context, six pertinent points may help keep the pathetic incident in proper perspective.
1. There is no defense and no excuse for Gibson's comments about "the f---ing Jews." The fact that his blood alcohol level only slightly exceeded the legal limit suggests that his assertion that "the Jews are responsible for all the wars in the world" expressed deep-seated, long-standing bigotry rather than some bizarre, booze-induced break-down.
2. When a long-married, 50-year-old father of seven gets arrested for drunk driving at nearly twice the speed limit at 2.30 in the morning, then it's safe to assume that he faces even more serious problems than exposing his anti-Semitic attitudes.
3. Gibson's comments about the "f---ng Jews" remain particularly perplexing in the light of a previous record free of personal, anti-Semitic incident. At the time of the world-wide controversy surrounding "The Passion of the Christ," the press would have jumped enthusiastically on any available story of a rude remark, of personal discrimination, or general religious intolerance. Instead, the media focused on Mel's Holocaust-denying father, and villified the filmmaker for insufficiently condemning the fringe ideas of the crusty codger. The public focus on a then 84-year-old nut case, rather than the world famous son who repeatedly denied that he shared his father's ideas, reflected an unmistakable lack of evidence of previous Jew-baiting comments or episodes involving Mel himself. This context makes Gibson's current unprovoked explosion of crude and appalling anti-Semitic sentiments all the more shocking.
4. At a time of surging Jew-hatred around the world, Gibson's drunken, after-midnight remarks to arresting officers on a lonely stretch of Malibu highway represent a less serious threat to the Jewish people than the very public anti-Semitic and anti-Israel comments by numerous celebrities, academics, UN officials and politicians. In April of 1996, for instance, the Oscar-winning actor Marlon Brando declared on Larry King Live: "Hollywood is run by Jews, owned by Jews, and they should have greater sensitivity about the issue of people who are suffering. Because they have exploited....We've seen everything but we never saw the Kike." The Anti-Defamation League criticized Brando, of course, but never suggested that he should be ostracized and boycotted, as they recently demanded in Gibson's case. Meanwhile, Gibson had already attempted a public apology for his loathesome private remarks, declaring that "I acted like a person who was completely out of control when I was arrested and said things that I do not believe to be true and which are despicable.I am deeply ashamed of everything I said." Compare this contrition to the unapologetic, and ceaselessly repeated attacks on Israel by another controversial Hollywood director, Michael Moore, who declared in Liverpool (quoted in the New York Times, June 26, 2004) that the embattled Jewish state represented one of the modern world's centers of evil: "It's all part of the same ball of wax, right? The oil companies, Israel, Halliburton." Ironically, Michael Moore's agent, Ari Emanuel (brother of a Democratic Congressman from Illinois), is one of the entertainment industry figures leading the charge to demand that the show biz establishment blacklist Gibson.
5. The "Mad Mel" Moment in Malibu may change the way we perceive the dark hatred that lurks within Gibson's heart but it alters nothing about the images and messages he put on screen in "The Passion of the Christ." It's still the same movie, frame for frame, line for Aramaic-and-Latin line, that it was before his tirade and arrest. The tens of millions of people who felt overpowered and inspired and uplifted by a remarkable piece of cinema need not now apologize because they responded in good faith to the work of a deeply flawed, bigoted filmmaker. Mel Gibson's personal disgrace makes me feel pity for his family but it does nothing to force my reconsideration of my critical admiration of his movie. At the time of its release, I argued vehemently against hysterical charges (many of them emanating from people who hadn't even seen the film) that "The Passion" represented some vicious, anti-Semitic screed, and I also decried dire predictions ("He'll have blood on his hands," thundered one commentator in The New Republic) that the movie would inspire anti-Jewish incidents around the world. I tell the story of my high profile involvement in this dispute in my recent book RIGHT TURNS (everyone should read it!), and in the aftermath of Mel's meltdown and arrest I wouldn't change a word of it. The fact remains that all the predictions of pogroms in Pittsburgh proved preposterous: while earning some 1 billion dollars in movie theatres and on DVD, "The Passion" inspired no anti-Semitic incidents anywhere in the world. In fact, several surveys of audience attitudes showed that anti-Jewish sentiments actually decreased when movie-goers saw the film. The worst part of this latest controversy is that Gibson's revolting statements give people like Abe Foxman of the Anti-Defamation League a juicy, retroactive excuse to say "I told you so" --- long after the benign and warm-hearted worldwide reaction to the movie had utterly undermined all the smug denunciations claiming that this wildly popular entertainment would foment implacable hate.
6. Once again, the most visible leaders of the Jewish community are in the process of horribly mishandling this latest incident with their indignant denunciations of Gibson's initial attempts to apologize, and their profoundly ill-considered calls for ostracism and banishment of one of today's most influential and successful filmmakers. After Gibson's comments on the incident (which included the abject line "I disgraced myself and my family with my behavior and for that I am truly sorry") Abe Foxman of the ADL officiallly categorized this apology as "unremorseful and insufficient." Aside from obvious questions about who appointed Foxman as the ultimate judge of Gibson's damnation and possible redemption, doesn't it seem patently unfair to describe a statement that includes the words "I disgraced myself" as "unremorseful."? Even worse, Foxman concludes the official ADL statement with the words: "We would hope that Hollywood now would realize the bigot in their midst and that they will distance themselves from the anti-Semite." Super-agent Ari Emanuel calls even more unequivocally for a new industry blacklist that focuses, for now, on Mel Gibson alone: "People in the entertainment community, whether Jew or gentile, need to demonstrate that they understand how much is at stake in this by professionally shunning Mel Gibson and refusing to work with him, even if it means a sacrifice to their bottom line." The most ill-considered aspect of such calls for "distancing" and "shunning" is that they stand no chance of eliminating Gibson's ability to make movies (he has enough money to pay for his projects himself for the rest of his life, just as he did with "The Passion of the Christ") or destroying his influence on popular culture. Like it or not, Mel Gibson will not simply disappear (though he might well take some time off for rehab) and the Jewish community will hardly benefit by isolating him as a permanent enemy and encouraging him in the far more open expression of anti-Semitic attitudes. Does Ari Emanuel believe it would somehow help the Jewish cause if his client, Michael Moore, could now welcome a new colleague --Mel Gibson -- as a participant in the poisonously anti-Israel rallies, conferences and demonstrations that Mr. Moore regularly addresses? Those who believe that Gibson's anti-Semitism couldn't get any worse simply lack imagination. Public amplification of the bigotry that Mel revealed privately in Malibu might well spoil his popularity in the United States, but imagine how it could boost his already considerable following in Europe, Latin America, and the former Soviet Union-- not to mention the Islamic world!
Rather than driving this tormented, self-destructive, deeply disturbed but vastly talented artist into the arms of active Jew-haters (like his father), wouldn't it make more sense to try to reach out to him at a moment of vulnerability and disgrace? The Jewish community need not approach the tarnished star with a message of "poor baby, all is forgiven" but it makes sense to offer at least some ladder to help him crawl out of the dank pit he has dug for himself. At a time when Israel finds herself isolated as never before, imagine the impact of Gibson announcing a supportive trip to Jerusalem in the company of selected Jewish leaders--- with a reverent, remorseful stop at Auschwitz on the way. Yes, cynics will decry any attempt by Mel to rehabilitate his reputation as a cheap publicity stunt, but wouldn't such an an effort serve the interests of Jews and Israel more than a frozen state of permanent animosity? Even if you assume that Gibson's anti-Semitic demons never can be excorcised, isn't it preferable that he try to control or hide them? My own limited acquaintance with Mel Gibson suggests that at this dark and tortured moment in his life, after the worst, most corruscating embarrassment of his long career, he might welcome a sincere effort to enrich his obviously pathetic understanding of Jewish identity and history. In any event, an attempted reconciliation -- no matter how tentative, no matter how limited -- can only be good for Gibson, and good for the Jews.
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Opportunism is now blasted opportunistically. Redirect your energies and change your lost ways.
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I wonder if the aggressive resistance some leaders in the Jewish community had to Mel's movie, "Passion of the Christ", triggered a resentment that just did not go away. As Medved reported, they tried to label him then as a bigot, and maybe they helped make him one with their over the top allegations. Who needs contrition the more, the slanderer or the later day sinner. |
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Mel,
Had a bad day, an it didn't get any better. When drinking you say a lot of things. I think he is no different than u or I. You drink and drive - go to jail. So what ! He should not have been driving, But, joe blow went to jail the same night..For the same charges. Can you tell me what he said to the cops? I wish Mel and his loved ones,the best of everything |
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Medved is kicking up alot of dust in order to obscure the picture. It's called "dilution" - if you surround the story with enough stories that are even worse, the original story starts to seem pallid by comparison.
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Does anyone wonder why his behavior is unforgiving…. Why all of a sudden Hollywood and the network millionaires all of sudden are washing their hands of Mel?? Because their strings are pulled from a higher power… Yes what happened in WW1 and WW2 is horrible, but it did not just happen to Jewish people it happened to Polish, to Romanians, to Bulgarians to Gypsies, to Russians…Can we change to past? But we can change the future we can change today and tomorrow, go ahead feel sorry for today feel sorry for all the innocent lives that are dying in Lebanon today, this hour this minute…lives taken by the Israel Army…Be happy that Mel did not kill someone while driving…Cry for the babies dying today…and stop worrying about political correctness…maybe we should call it political weakness…. |
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Does anyone wonder why his behavior is unforgiving…. Why all of a sudden Hollywood and the network millionaires all of sudden are washing their hands of Mel?? Because their strings are pulled from a higher power… Yes what happened in WW1 and WW2 is horrible, but it did not just happen to Jewish people it happened to Polish, to Romanians, to Bulgarians to Gypsies, to Russians…Can we change to past? But we can change the future we can change today and tomorrow, go ahead feel sorry for today feel sorry for all the innocent lives that are dying in Lebanon today, this hour this minute…lives taken by the Israel Army…Be happy that Mel did not kill someone while driving…Cry for the babies dying today…and stop worrying about political correctness…maybe we should call it political weakness…. |
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Does anyone wonder why his behavior is unforgiving…. Why all of a sudden Hollywood and the network millionaires all of sudden are washing their hands of Mel?? Because their strings are pulled from a higher power… Yes what happened in WW1 and WW2 is horrible, but it did not just happen to Jewish people it happened to Polish, to Romanians, to Bulgarians to Gypsies, to Russians…Can we change to past? But we can change the future we can change today and tomorrow, go ahead feel sorry for today feel sorry for all the innocent lives that are dying in Lebanon today, this hour this minute…lives taken by the Israel Army…Be happy that Mel did not kill someone while driving…Cry for the babies dying today…and stop worrying about political correctness…maybe we should call it political weakness…. |
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Is it a hate crime if you speed under the influence of alcohol while hating the Jews? |
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...harboring completely bizarre thoughts.
And yes, Emma, you spammer, all warriors must first and formost save civilians! Just like in the firebombing of Dresden & Tokyo & nuking of Hiroshima & Nagasaki! |
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Thanks to "The Passion of the Christ." And, of course, the movie doesn't portray the Jews in leadership at the time in the best possible light. Uh-oh. A little resentment towards Mel, maybe? |
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Absolutely changes the way certain scenes can be interpreted.
No way around it.
No wonder many Middle Eastern anti-Israel sorts loved it; they just took from the work different things than well-meaning Americans did.
The son, more like the father than we knew.
Happens all the time.
One quibble: Let's not get carried away; Gibson's marginally talented. Like Tom Cruise, he's made his way mostly on looks and hard work to override fair-to-middling talent. As a director, style-wise, he stole "The Passion" from Quentin Tarantino and others. It's a great story but a borrowed interpretation.
HOWEVER: I do respect Medved for having the stones to say he's humiliated, rather than taking the weenie defend-Mel approach of so many of his colleagues.
Admitting that required some stones. The pathetic Mel-defenders have none.
Also, Medved's to be commended for NOT BLAMING THE ALCOHOL. It's incredible that conservatives have been spewing that bilge, thus sounding precisely like liberals.
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Doug suggests that Mel might have reacted as he did because of the accusations he received from a lot of Jewish leaders. I totally agree this could have spurred it, particularly when he is being arrested (though rightly)by an officer who is Jewish. I think it could have spurrred these memories and hence he says what Mel himself described as "despicable" things.
Everyone knows Mel has an addictive personality and while I do not believe he is as disturbed as Medved states, he does have issues that many have to deal with.
I certainly support Mel. Alcohol affects the alcoholic differently than does the non-alcoholic who has had too much to drink. It can bring a change of personality while intoxicated.
Perhaps I am being naive, but whatever happened to "sticks and stones..." We often condemn the ease at which people draw offense in this world and yet here is someone (Medved) who I have always respected talking about being offended by the words of a drunk man. I'd give his words less weight than those of sober playground wordsmiths. |
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Well, I guess Medved really never said he was offended. That which drew me in was his analysis of the underlying dark hatred in the heart of Mel. This I do not buy. Mel is emotional and is tormented, but his comments do not give me cause for concern. |
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This is my first post, so bear with me. My initial reaction to Mel's mess was deep sorrow for him and his family and deep gratitude that my alcoholic meltdown didn't occur in such a public manner. I have been sober for 18 years, by the grace of God, but I know I'm not immune to the insanity. I was taught in AA not to go around talking in public about my alcoholism and recovery because the temptation is, of course, to take credit for your recovery, thereby setting yourself up for a fall. I have heard Mel and read interviews in which he discusses his addition problems and recovery and I understand his desire to help others by going public, but I think it was a mistake for him personally. As a Christian, I am saddened at the loss of his testimony - he has publicly credited Jesus with his recovery and it is my understanding that that was a major motivation for his making the "Passion of the Christ". As far as the anti-Semitic comments - I just don't understand them at all. I don't understand how any Christian can be anti-semitic (it just doesn't make any sense), but I know from experience that "a drunk man's words are a sober man's thoughts".
Mel and his family are in my prayers. |
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It will be interesting if the same Hollywood that gave Roman Polanski a standing ovation--in absentia--at the Oscars in 2003 will really condemn Gibson.
In case you don't remember, Polanski fled the country to escape jail time for drugging and raping a 13-year-old girl at a phony photo shoot at Jack Nicholson's house in 1977.
Think we'll get standing ovations for Gibson anytime soon? I just don't know. |
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My father was a great man but he wasn't perfect. He had some prejudice in him, some of which I picked up. Fortunately I knew a lot of the people he was prejudiced against so I could see the difference. But even today when I get angry or frustrated I sometimes find thoughs that are prejudicial. I seems to me that Mel's father was pretty strongly anti-semitic. I can see where Mel might have picked that up and vented old ways of thinking after too much drink-thinking he may reject when sober. Unless I see further behavior I'm inclined to give Mel some leeway. |
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Re: Mel's statements to the Malibu police; "The Jews are responsible for all the wars in the world!!" Maybe he's looking for a new career with the United Nations.
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"In any event, an attempted reconciliation -- no matter how tentative, no matter how limited -- can only be good for Gibson, and good for the Jews."
I wonder if this is Medved's worldly view as well.
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As a non-practicing Catholic it saddens me that some Jews and others are refusing to meet Mel halfway. This is a time when Jews and Christians alike must stay together before OUR ENEMIES, in and out of this country, so they will not take advantage of this situation and make things worse. All we need now is to pit Jews against Christians while we are trying to win this War On Terror against our Islamo-Nazi enemies. We should accept Mel's apology as his every move will be watched even more closely than before by people who obviously hate him. I think Mel needs our prayers, not our condemnation. |
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Mel Gibson made an amazing work of art in his recent epic film, "The Passion of the Christ".
So much brooha occured, and so much was made in a negative way, in the press, and Hollywood, when the movie came out with cries of "anti-Semite" hysteria.
Anyone who actually knows something about the Christian's true spiritual legacy, as well as this film, would see that all the-much-ado was about nothing..
I don't think this incident is just about disrespectful comments or race. I also don't buy that it is some odd kind of agenda.
For many, particularly Liberals in Hollywood, Mr. Gibson was placed on the outside when he became a strong professor of his faith. People in those circles seem to have wanted to get at him since then.
Who can know what Mr. Gibson was thinking when he said those things? But the reaction seems nothing less than the kind of thinking, and publicity, that goes along with "hate crimes".
While what he said is obviously unfair and fellacious to the Jewish people as a whole, why is it we only here these broad and loud proclamations about Semites?
One never really hears much when other racial slurs may be made about other races. Who ever hears anyone say: "Oh that's Anti-Latinism, or Anti-Romanism when slurs are made about the Spanish, or Italians? I am half Arab American, Lord knows we get our share of "anti-Semiticism, but anyway..
This is, again, not to suggest Mr. Gibson's comments were good, or fair. I just have to think that the grace he exibited in his apology is much more than most would give in his shoes.
All of us, of every faith, need to be very careful in the areas of forgiveness and judging others. These are the most important places where we truly can minister God's grace!
I can remember a time, not too long ago, when I had shared similar comments, which I thought were actual political news, and were really faulty information.
Unfortunately, the replies I got were less than graceful from those who got my emails, and I was even more pained and confused for the communication. Ultimately, I was misjudged, misslabeled and left out of that group as a person.
I applaud Mr. Medved for being fair and seeing it that way. He has always a blessing in speaking for Christians, Jews, and people of faith.
What should really be the focus is who skewers him up to the barby and how.
Mr. Gibson has shown what we all should know about ourselves, we are falliable, and human.
I believe the true character of others will be seen in how they treat him following this, and that it will say much more either way about them than all the movies and box office popularity in the world..
Lest we forget, Jesus was labeled "The King of the Jews". He and most all the early apostles were all Jewish.
I would think if Mr. Gibson had a true gripe with "the Jews" his film would not have come out that way, in the loving portrayal that it did. |
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Is there any confirmation that what the Jewish officer said is true? Or is this just another media opportunity to quote from so-called "reliable sources" in order to spin a story to stir up the general public? Bottom line is that God's grace of forgiveness is given to anyone who earnestly and wholeheartedly seeks after Jesus. I believe Mel has done that. What is it that John 8:7 says? "If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her [or him]." And as for being anti-Semitic, I agree with Carol: it's very difficult to be a professed Christian and still hold these kinds of views. After all, our Lord & Savior was a Jew. If in fact, Mel made an anti-Semitic comment, it's one that for which he will have to answer to God, not to Hollywood.
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Stupid is as stupid does. Mel's brilliance in movie making and acting is evident. It is also evident that he is very human. Liberals will hold conservatives to a higher standard than they would their friends. People in Hollywood have been complaining offhandedly about Jews for a long time, sometimes it makes it on the record. I have a feeling that a bit of booze and bad luck have caused problems for a few people famous and otherwise. Apology accepted, don't drink and drive, and get a designated driver. |
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Why can't you forgive Gibson? What must he do, or can do, to be forgiven? Why is this sin unpardonable? |
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Why can't you forgive Gibson? What must he do, or can do, to be forgiven? Why is this sin unpardonable? |
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I'm a Christian and have been my entire life. Reading reports of Mel's rant almost seemed like an ignorant/extreem charicature distributed by someone with a grudge against Christians. The reality of the report is shuddering; an affront to the very principles Christianity has molded within me. Frankly, it's a sad day for the image of Christianity. Fortunately, principles of Christianity are much deeper than it's image. I just finished Michael Medved's book "Right Turns." His words therein reflect how I've felt my entire life (and how most Christian I know feel): sincere followers of another faith are not enemies of one's religion; it's those who marginalize--sometimes mock--religion and faith who have the most destructive effect on any religious cause. Michael--your words in today's post reaffirm that proposition. As a Christian, I hope I can apply a similar perspective when I see another stumble--even if in such a stark and, really, horrendous fashion. Forgiveness is not making excuses for someone or dimishing the magnitude of their error. But rather it's maintaining the belief and applying the accompanied dedication that despite their temporal flaws, their potential is great, infinite (even if sometimes far off). I think Michael's petition to fellow Jews to not cast Mel into the abiss is an example from which those of any religion can learn. |
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I'm a Christian and have been my entire life. Reading reports of Mel's rant almost seemed like an ignorant/extreem charicature distributed by someone with a grudge against Christians. The reality of the report is shuddering; an affront to the very principles Christianity has molded within me. Frankly, it's a sad day for the image of Christianity. Fortunately, principles of Christianity are much deeper than it's image. I just finished Michael Medved's book "Right Turns." His words therein reflect how I've felt my entire life (and how most Christian I know feel): sincere followers of another faith are not enemies of one's religion; it's those who marginalize--sometimes mock--religion and faith who have the most destructive effect on any religious cause. Michael--your words in today's post reaffirm that proposition. As a Christian, I hope I can apply a similar perspective when I see another stumble--even if in such a stark and, really, horrendous fashion. Forgiveness is not making excuses for someone or dimishing the magnitude of their error. But rather it's maintaining the belief and applying the accompanied dedication that despite their temporal flaws, their potential is great, infinite (even if sometimes far off). I think Michael's petition to fellow Jews to not cast Mel into the abiss is an example from which those of any religion can learn. |
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I think you're right to condemn Mel Gibson's hate-filled anti-Semitic tirade.
Now, here are some of the lovely things your friend Ann Coulter has said (while presumably sober):
“Press passes can’t be that hard to come by if the White House allows that old Arab Helen Thomas to sit within yards of the President.”
So, anti-Semitic remarks are wrong. But calling someone “that Old Arab” gets you props from Michael Medved.
“My only regret with Timothy McVeigh is he did not go to the New York Times Building.”
So, anti-Semitic remarks are wrong, but jokes about bombing the press are hilarious to Michael Medved.
“We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity.”
So, saying that “Jews start all the wars” is wrong, but advocating the bombing of all Muslim nations and forcibly converting them to Christianity is OK with Michael Medved.
“These broads are millionaires, lionized on TV and in articles about them, reveling in their status as celebrities and stalked by griefparrazies. I have never seen people enjoying their husband’s deaths so much.”
So, saying “F--- the Jews” is beyond the pale, but mocking the 9/11 widows is fair game with Michael Medved.
“We need somebody to put rat poison in Justice Stevens’ creme brulee. That’s just a joke, for you in the media.”
So, anti-Semitic remarks are a no-no, but it’s OK to joke about poisoning a Supreme Court justice, right Mike?
Here’s a challenge. When will you take a public stand against Ann Coulter’s hate-filled and frequently racist rants?
Well?
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I think you're right to condemn Mel Gibson's hate-filled anti-Semitic tirade.
Now, here are some of the lovely things your friend Ann Coulter has said (while presumably sober):
“Press passes can’t be that hard to come by if the White House allows that old Arab Helen Thomas to sit within yards of the President.”
So, anti-Semitic remarks are wrong. But calling someone “that Old Arab” gets you props from Michael Medved.
“My only regret with Timothy McVeigh is he did not go to the New York Times Building.”
So, anti-Semitic remarks are wrong, but jokes about bombing the press are hilarious to Michael Medved.
“We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity.”
So, saying that “Jews start all the wars” is wrong, but advocating the bombing of all Muslim nations and forcibly converting them to Christianity is OK with Michael Medved.
“These broads are millionaires, lionized on TV and in articles about them, reveling in their status as celebrities and stalked by griefparrazies. I have never seen people enjoying their husband’s deaths so much.”
So, saying “F--- the Jews” is beyond the pale, but mocking the 9/11 widows is fair game with Michael Medved.
“We need somebody to put rat poison in Justice Stevens’ creme brulee. That’s just a joke, for you in the media.”
So, anti-Semitic remarks are a no-no, but it’s OK to joke about poisoning a Supreme Court justice, right Mike?
Here’s a challenge. When will you take a public stand against Ann Coulter’s hate-filled and frequently racist rants?
Well?
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Mel Gibson did a bad thing and appologized for it.
Now the press and Hollywood elites won't let it be.
How can Mel improve his standing with the mainstream media and Hollywood types intent on not forgiving him? Join Hezbollah?!? The media and Hollywood types seem less bothered by bombs and rockets on Israel than in Mel's drunken proclamations.
The real test will be if, over time, Mel Gibson will eventually receive the same pass as actor Rob Lowe did after video taping sex acts between himself and a minor. Any bets? Careful! Remember the values of Hollywood!
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I think Mel's sin was blasphemy rather than bigotry. When people want to curse, they use those names most closely identified with the deity. So Jew and Jesus are heard in foul language where other names are not. That doesn't necessarily mean Mel actually hates Jews anymore than people who swear really hate Jesus. It sounds to me like Mel has other problems more serious than bigotry, and the Jews have problems more serious than Mel.
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I believe that Mel Gibson has some issues that he needs to turn to God to help him to resolve. Isn't it "funny" that the God he will turn to is the "God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob"....AND the God of Jesus Christ!!! By the way, Jesus Christ and his followers are NOT anti-semitic or anti-Jewish. Just read the Scriptures and ask God to show you the TRUTH!!!
If I could just say one more thing; I don't believe that Mel has committed an unforgiveable sin. Now that he has asked forgiveness, I forgive him and now he needs to confess his sins to God also. This does not mean that Mel should or will be relieved of suffering consequences!
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Oh Yes,
Let's all boycott Mel Gibson for saying jerky comments about Jews. Let's not accept his apology and shun him and his movies for life.
But let's give a pass to Marlon Brando (anti-Jew to the core), Russell Crowe (decking a motel clerk and breaking his jaw), Roman Polanski (child molester) Rob Lowe and others.
Mel Gibson is a huge target. What he said is despicable, but boycott is not the answer. He's going to go ahead and make more movies because he's rich enough and talented enough to do it.
He needs to keep apologizing, keep makng amends to the Jewish communty, go to Israel and apologize some more.
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Lady Lib: ADL will never remove the beams that fill both eyes. Cries of "anti-Semitism" are used to mask their hate. If this bigoted hate group was held to the same level of accountability that they hold others, they would be exposed as the hypocrits they are and forced to disband. Considering comments made about Christians by various Jewish entertainers, this ordeal is nothing more than the "sewage pit" calling the kettle black.
Doug: The show (on Fox News) in which a Muslim Cleric and a Jewish cleric together stated that "the Passion" was anti-Semitic proved that both are anti-Christian bigots as there was nothing in the movie that was "anti-Semitic". (The Jewish officer probably saw the opportunity to "get revenge" for his movie.)
FACTOTUM: Mel was somewhat right as... had Father Abraham not listened to his wife Mother Sarah, he would not have committed the act of adultery with her Egyptian maid-servant, the result of which was the conception of Ishmael - father of what has evolved into Islam. Without the birth of Ishmael, the great hate that has existed between these sects of the semitic race would not exist today and many wars wouldn't have occured. (Of course we still would have had to deal with the results of Marxism...) |
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Why would a man's comments while drunk be reported? To try to make the drunkenness or the driving offense a "hate crime" or to justify an officer's anger or to create media fodder?
Under stress people may repeat outrageous statements they have heard many times in the past during fearful events. That's why family violence victims, while in a place of safety may say hateful things about their abuser. Also why children repeat offensive racial slurs while bullying. Look at it like an unbidden soundtrack from your past bursting forth when you're losing control of your temper.
Mel loses none of my admiration and support. He wasn't just in a drunken state, he was fighting back against a personal demon known as alcoholism. |
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Mr. Gibson has asked for help in repenting. He can begin here with the Source and the Spirit:
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07409a.htm
"The sin or blasphemy against the Holy Ghost is mentioned in Matthew 12:22-32; Mark 3:22-30; Luke 12:10 (cf. 11:14-23); and Christ everywhere declares that it shall not be pardoned. In what does it consist? If we examine all the passages alluded to, there can be little doubt as to the reply.
Let us take, for instance, the account given by St. Matthew which is more complete than that of the other Synoptics. There had been brought to Christ "one possessed with a devil, blind and dumb: and he healed him, so that he spoke and saw". While the crowd is wondering, and asking: "Is not this the Son of David?", the Pharisees, yielding to their wonted jealousy, and shutting their eyes to the light of evidence, say: "This man casteth not out devils but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils." Jesus then proves to them this absurdity, and, consequently, the malice of their explanation; He shows them that it is by "the Spirit of God" that He casts out devils, and then He concludes: "therefore I say to you: Ever sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven men, but the blasphemy of the Spirit shall not be forgiven. And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but he that shall speak against the Holy Ghost, it shall not he forgiven him, neither in this world, nor in the world to come."
So, to sin against the Holy Ghost is to confound Him with the spirit of evil, it is to deny, from pure malice, the Divine character of works manifestly Divine. This is the sense in which St. Mark also defines the sin question; for, after reciting the words of the Master: "But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost shall never have forgiveness", he adds at once: "Because they said: He hath an unclean spirit." With this sin of pure downright malice, Jesus contrasts the sin "against the Son of man", that is the sin committed against Himself as man, the wrong done to His humanity in judging Him by His humble and lowly appearance. This fault, unlike the former, might he excused as the result of man's ignorance and misunderstanding.
Charity and goodness are especially attributed to the Holy Ghost, as power is to the Father and wisdom to the Son. Just, then, as they termed sins against the Father those that resulted from frailty, and sins against the Son those that sprang from ignorance, so the sins against the Holy Ghost are those that are committed from downright malice, either by despising or rejecting the inspirations and impulses which, having been stirred in man's soul by the Holy Ghost, would turn him away or deliver him from evil. It is easy to see how this wide explanation suits all the circumstances of the case where Christ addresses the words to the Pharisees. These sins are commonly reckoned six: despair, presumption, impenitence or a fixed determination not to repent, obstinacy, resisting the known truth, and envy of another's spiritual welfare.
The sins against the Holy Ghost are said to be unpardonable, but the meaning of this assertion will vary very much according to which of the three explanations given above is accepted. As to final impenitence it is absolute; and this is easily understood, for even God cannot pardon where there is no repentance, and the moment of death is the fatal instant after which no mortal sin is remitted. It was because St. Augustine considered Christ's words to imply absolute unpardonableness that he held the sin against the Holy Ghost to be solely final impenitence. In the other two explanations, according to St. Thomas, the sin against the Holy Ghost is remissable -- not absolutely and always, but inasmuch as (considered in itself) it has not the claims and extenuating circumstance, inclining towards a pardon, that might be alleged in the case of sins of weakness and ignorance. He who, from pure and deliberate malice, refuses to recognize the manifest work of God, or rejects the necessary means of salvation, acts exactly like a sick man who not only refuses all medicine and all food, but who does all in his power to increase his illness, and whose malady becomes incurable, due to his own action. It is true, that in either case, God could, by a miracle, overcome the evil; He could, by His omnipotent intervention, either nuillify the natural causes of bodily death, or radically change the will of the stubborn sinner; but such intervention is not in accordance with His ordinary providence; and if he allows the secondary causes to act, if He offers the free human will of ordinary but sufficient grace, who shall seek cause of complaint? In a word, the irremissableness of the sins against the Holy Ghost is exclusively on the part of the sinner, on account of the sinner's act."
He can then assist in standing as an example for others who persist fanatically in their sins against the Holy Spirit in the name of religion, in their unHoly war against Creation, against the chosen, against their brothers and sisters--the People of the Book--the so-called "infidels" whether in the Middle East or elsewhere.
The beams in their eyes have prevented them from seeing the Holy Spirit in action, you see.
Lady Liberty ~~~~~~~~~~~~
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anti-socialist wrote:
"ADL (Defamation League) will never remove the beams that fill both eyes. Cries of "anti-Semitism" are used to mask their hate. If this bigoted hate group was held to the same level of accountability that they hold others, they would be exposed as the hypocrits they are and forced to disband. Considering comments made about Christians by various Jewish entertainers, this ordeal is nothing more than the "sewage pit" calling the kettle black."
Oh I really think this must be true..
But you won't hear that from anyone else..They are too busy crying "Anti-Semite" at anything or anyone who questions any Jew (Except Jesus, of course..).This is not to designate good or princely motives to those who would seek to hurt or harm the Jews or any race.
Bur, regardless of silly and sinful things men say..
Many, though maybe not all, who speak out against 'anti-Semitism' speak out for a collective which stands for a cause that is so imtimately tied up with 'hate' crimes here, and, worse in Europe..
Has anyone seen this past years news there where a man made anti Semitic comments regarding the Holocaust and he was accosted by the thought police? WOW, talk about pushing personal interests to such a degree one, almost, becomes the thing they loathe, i.e. The thought police are pretty Nazi-like in their behaviors and tenor..
But let's ask ourselves this honest question:
Don't you know that Semites and Anti-Semitism are the only REAL, legitimate, and universal cause to defend when it comes to the races, prejudice and civil rights? Isn't that clear the way they are defended and even how public figures and silenced newspapermen must genuflect (bow the knee) and behave and don't dare to utter things contrary at the topic? Can't it be seen this is the most important racial issue when folks are so quick to falsely cry out to others, in a most derogatory way: "You Anti-Semite!"
The above was tongue in cheek, the point being, true human and civil rights end where extraordinary measures, deferrence, and attention is given to causes for some races, over others, just because of their status, standing, leadership or material status, sway or influence, whoever they may be..
God wants us to love all and pray for the peace of Jerusalem. He wants us to love the Jewish people too. But not to make a god of them, or anyone..
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thanks Lady Liberty and was http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07409a.htm where you got that previous post from? Was not sure.. |
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I am all for personal responsibility. It is truly humbling to be human. He all have dark, deep, disturbing sides to us. Come on. His grace in apologizing touches me. that he finds it necessary is interesting. How many people (remember Bill Clinton) when under the lights cry foul? "It depends on what your definition of Is, Is." Mel Gibson did not accuse the officer (or for that matter Harvey Levin [throwing stones while living in a very fragile glass house] of taking his words out of context. He did not scream libel. He did not use his considerable money and influence to spin it another way. No... he hung his head like a small child and issued a heartfelt apology. I'm certain that his comments though inflammatory may have been taken out of context. But he is too good a man to go there. God Bless Mel Gibson. God Bless us all. |
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I think we are all in shock about whats happening in the middle east. Now there is another one. Why is Isreal killing innocent people in Lebanon?
Are the jewish people in America Isrealis?
Here is a quote from Former AOL Time Warner Vice Chairman Merv Adelman " What would this community have done if Mel Gibson had drunkenly ranted and raved about the dirty 'Mexicans' or for that matter used the 'N' words disparagingly as he used the word Jews ...?" he asked.
Notice the way he describes Mexicans. Is this not the biggest hypocrit of them all. Who is this man. Maybe we should ban him!
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Mel Gibson is anti-semitic scum and should be treated as such. Medved loves Gibson because the liberals hate Gibson. You know, my enemy's enemy is my friend. Medved reminds me of German Jews who embraced Hitler because they hated the Communists. Medved is always going on about America being "the greatest nation on God's green earth." If Medved had any real sense of pride as a Jew, he would know that Israel is the greatest nation on God's green earth. But Medved is frightened of being accused of dual loyalty, frightened of anti-semites like Gibson who, if they had half a chance, would put Medved up on a cross and hammer in the nails with glee. |
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I don't care what Mel Gibson thinks or says about any group. I don't care who in Hollywood comes forward to defend Mel Gibson. Everyone seems to be willing to ignore the fact that Mel Gibson has been caught on at least three occasions driving while intoxicated. I'm sure Mel loves the fact that everyone seems to focused on what he said and not the fact he showed such blatant disregard for the safety of others by driving drunk. Although I'm sure it will never happen, I'd like to see him spend some tim in jail, or at least have his license suspended or revoked. |
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I don't care what Mel Gibson thinks or says about any group. I don't care who in Hollywood comes forward to defend Mel Gibson. Everyone seems to be willing to ignore the fact that Mel Gibson has been caught on at least three occasions driving while intoxicated. I'm sure Mel loves the fact that everyone seems to focused on what he said and not the fact he showed such blatant disregard for the safety of others by driving drunk. Although I'm sure it will never happen, I'd like to see him spend some tim in jail, or at least have his license suspended or revoked. |
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I greatly admire you and your explanation of your beliefs. Thank you. |
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