Friday, September 26, 2008
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A Solid McCain Win
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Posted by:
Carol Platt Liebau at
10:58 PM
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Overall, John McCain won tonight's debate. No, he's not a glib, smooth talker like Barack is. But his understanding of foreign policy is so second-nature that he actually attains a kind of eloquence and definite intellectual forcefulness when he discusses it. He's not exciting -- but he does seem experienced and reassuring. In times that are anything but, that may end up being a plus.
In contrast, one gets the feeling that Barack is both blustering, and choosing every word with care when he discusses foreign policy -- something that, to me, indicatesthat he's trying to find a way to dress up policies that aren't exactly in step with the American people (the whole "preconditions" vs. "preparation" dance is a joke). And again, he seems to have the tiresome Democrat stance of simply criticizing the US, along with its military undertakings.
Repeatedly, Barack ("I've got a bracelet, too!") Obama said words to the effect that "Senator McCain is right" about this, that or the other thing. Why in the world was he so afraid to do that earlier in the week -- when McCain suspended his campaign to address the market meltdown -- and Barack had the opportunity to seem statesmanlike, rather than callow and self-obsessed? Is there a little compensation?
As for the whole tax and economic discussion, here's the big takeaway that can't be repeated enough about Barack: He wants to raise capital gains taxes -- not for revenue -- but to impose a collectivist notion of equality. He said so.
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I don't know which debate you were watching but every independent poll shows Obama winning the debate. McCain did a good job considering all the erratic behavior earlier in the week ("suspending" his campaign and canceling the debate) but Obama was cool, collected and forceful.
As for Palin, many Republicans are calling for her to step down. She is not presidential caliber and has continually demonstrated her lack of poise and knowledge. |
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"They think they can lie about previous statements and get away with it."
Why not? Works for Obama. |
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"Henry Kissinger called you what you are obambi"
Kissinger's exact words, from the transcript of the conference where he said it: "I do not believe we can make conditions for the opening of negotiations."
Obama said "unconditional," and that is exactly what Kissinger said. That Kissinger later denied saying what he'd said only shows that he's an old man, forgetful, and biased.
Old guys like Kissinger and McCain tend not to realize that their words are RECORDED, transcribed, and available on the internet. They think they can lie about previous statements and get away with it. |
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Pres. John McCain moved a bishop down into obambi yard along side of the pawns he placed there before the debate.
obambi is still on defense.
his only offense is junk-yard trash ads that is about as powerful as the trash talk his BOY ludicris rapped about after the D(UMB)MC in Denver.
it really doesn't matter much because as we get closer to election day obambi and his thugs will try anything to win, but it will be all for naught.
the White House is not a place for rookies obambi
Ahmendidijad, Putin, Castro, Hugo, Kim Jung Il, and the likes would eat you for a smack at your table without pre-conditions.
It's not nice to LIE to America especially during a debate that's seen by 60+ millions voters obambi.
Henry Kissinger called you what you are obambi:
A Liar!!!!!!!!!
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just now on meet the press obamas main man axlerod said that obama will cut taxes on the little guy, he said obama wrote the EARNED INCOME legislation, WOW, "they dont get it",last year my son paid #3,000 in and got $9,000 back due to EARNED INCOME CREDIT, thats not a tax cut its welfare, and the idiot dems dont understand.If the government doesnt need what one pays in, they should give it to that one , not to someone else.Th efirst thing congress and the pres. should do is elimate the EARNED INCOME CREDIT,but the dems wont its what they do, us your money to buy their votes from the poor and middle class. |
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Scripted tele-promter, glowing generalities, no substance, factually wrong, Constitutionally wrong, and descriptive hyperbole is all I got from Obama! Someone tell me what Obaman & the Dumbocrats will do for the country! I got no idea, although I have tried to understand them! Gosh, are there that many US citizens fooled by Obama, the liberals, and Dumbocrats to tear this country down? I hope not! |
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It is hard, very hard, to envision the Obama's in the white house.
If you want to see something, see this: http://www.PoeSpirits.com. Ten million folks have gone back in political time with Billy Joel and a rapid pictorial time capsule.
http://www.PoeSpirits.com
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If he deep sixes Palin, I'll know he's finally figured it out that so many can't and won't vote for him as long as that imcompentent is on the ticket.
Call me names. I'm used to it. But I actually have some brain cells, unlike Barbie and her loyal handclappers.
DUMP PALIN. |
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You sound angry about Palin and McCain but you did not tell us what about Obama makes you happy or hopeful. Here is how it's going down - Hillary said NO to being VP because her and bill understand national politics and could predict BHO's loss this year. BHO has enjoyed the most favorable/biased media since 'I can't remember when' with the Oprah marketing machine setting up a real marketing campaign for his zero credentialed candidacy. Persuading superdelegates to give him the nomination is one thing, earning the trust of the american people is another. Americans do not trust BHO because the man can't find anything nice to say about our country. Also, we need a person with executive experience to fill an executive position. Both Barak and Biden have never held an executive position. Palin and McCain have. You may disagree with McCain-Palin, but when it comes to credentials/accomplishments, you can't give any for BHO or Biden. Palin rose to public service from being a PTA mom, city council woman, mayor and governor. That is what we call an american dream. Look at BHO's rise to power (wright, ayers, rezko) and all things unamerican. Palin draws the 'small town' voters that Obama detests so much and is proud to say it in san francisco. Women were already voting for McCain (30% of Hillary's supporters)- it's the middle class voters that BHO tries so much to woe without success. And all the other rational americans voting for our country's best leader- not the most smooth talker in the field. |
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McCain did not need to proove anything last night because americans don't question his understanding of foreign policy. They may disagree with McCain but they don't question his competence to lead. Obama needed more that to hold his own - he needed to demonstrate he can be trusted with our security and the ability to handle our friends and enemies. He did not cross that threshold. What did Obama say to make an undecided say - oh, now I realize he can be a great commader in chief? Nothing.
Forget polls. Why? With less than 40 days to go, americans have decided. The undecided are not questioning McCain's competence, they are questioning Baraks. It happened with Hillary, when last minute deciders went for her 70-30. Doubt is normally on the side of Barak not McCain. Remember, most people who will vote are not polled because they are not available during these polling sessions. Also, the media prefers to keep obama's numbers up for 'encouragement' to his supporters. The reality is WHO WILL AMERICANS TRUST. Obama's numbers have been stalled since June when the DNC picked him. His convention was good indicator of the lack of trust. It's not just Hillary's supporters, it's most americans. |
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All the right wingers are convinced that McCain won, perhaps because they read the announcement that his campaign released the morning before the debate! But there are problems with that conclusion:
(1) McCain didn't look presidential, merely petulant and old, as he resolutely refused to meet Obama eye to eye.
(2) Obama nailed him repeatedly on Iraq, especially with the observation that the "surge" is a brilliant success, only if one believes the occupation began a year ago.
(3) "I have a bracelet too," was a master stroke. I wish Obama had gone on to ask McCain how many more American kids he's willing to kill in Iraq to satisfy his sense of "honor."
(4) At long last, someone has chided McCain for singing about bombing Iran, but what else could one expect from a man who so dearly loved dropping bombs on Vietnamese villagers?
(5) Proving the old adage about the last refuge of a scoundrel, McCain just had to talk about his military record, which means exactly zilch as far as his qualification for the Presidency.
(6) Watching Obama's face, while "Blinky" lied so egregiously about his record on veterans' issues, I saw mainly pity. The man who opposed Webb's GI Bill and voted against hundreds of billions of dollars in medical care for vets seems actually to believe that he "takes care" of them. Obama let him get away with it. I wouldn't have!
The debate just confirms the fact that the wheels are coming off the Republican tricycle. Kathleen Parker and George Will are just the beginning! |
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"McCain has released 1000 pages of medical records."
No, he hasn't. He gave a few reporters a brief glimpse and then yanked them back. |
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Obama - should not even be considered for the candidacy of POTUS - so much baggage. McCain has released 1000 pages of medical records.
We should be very concerned about Biden's health/medical records - he is a walking gaff machine and dangerous - seems like Obama thinks Biden could handle foreign policy matters - Biden has been wrong over and over again on foreign policy issues. Biden lies practically every day on the campaign stump.
McCain deserves to be President of the United States. I voted for McCain in the primary of 2000 - supported him then and support him now.
There is no better qualified candidate.
I also agree with President Bush on many matters - and would rather have him in the White house than either Gore or Kerry but circumstances have made for some difficult situations and McCain has to deal with all of that. Having said this - McCain is doing great! |
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McCain is a man that has lived an incredible life and has great love and passion for his country. McCain has a depth which is hard to describe. He's not polished and he isn't comfortable speaking in front of people, but he's a genuine and honorable man.
Obama is polished and can speak like nobody's business. But he's superficial and he rings hollow to me. He has accomplished nothing at the State or Federal level. If he wins, shame on us for passing on John McCain, a great and accomplished man that has served the country for over fifty years. |
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Sir, there will be NO TAX SAVINGS for at least three reasons:
1) Obama will realize (if he does not already) that there is no way to pull out of Iraq. Reduce troops? Sure. But pulling out if not going to be possible for years to come.
2) Any money saved from Iraq will go to Afgan.
3) Other terrorist related problems will pop up from time to time that will require the use of the military -- or influx of money to a country or group.
Related subject: I don't care how you compute it, ninety-five percent of the folks is not going to get tax relief. There will be "income redistribution" to lower income earners, but the rest of us will end sucking hind quarters. I know that I will and I do not earn 250K -- I'm about 150K lower than that.
If you believe ninety-five percent will receive TAX relief, I have some nice ocean property to sell you in West Virginia. I'll even let you hunt on my farm!
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anyone tell Obama Bush is not running. For a campaign supposedly looking to the future he brings up the past quite a bit. First he is stuck on about going into Iraq...that argument is the past. Then he repeatedly gets stuck on Bush, also basically past. He also brought up Kissinger...past, past, past!
So far the only futuristic thing about Obama is he is going to tax corporations to death then continue to cry about all the jobs leaving this country. |
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Obama brought up this guy's name - not McCain. Then Obama misquotes Kissinger. After the debate, the Obama camp criticizes McCain for living in the past
and mentions Kissinger as an example.
Just throw it up and see what sticks. |
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McCain called for a spending freeze and promised to veto all earmarks.
Barak says he'll fix the economy with "investments".
When times are tight, I don't know any responsible person who goes out and spends MORE money, not even my Democrat friends. |
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Detroit Free Press? That's no different than Faux News calling it for McCain. |
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People view these debates according to their already existing views. Which is why there are as many claiming that Obama won, or that McCain didn't win, than the opposite.
In a few days I imagine we'll get a better view given polls.
Perhaps the most petinent observation I've seen is that McCain needed to do something more than just "win". Historic debates have demonstrasted that what people remember in a few days, is that special moment, not what was said. And not only didn't I see McCain have any of those, but this debate was substantially about foreign policy. This is the debate McCain, as a result, should have won because it clearly plays to his strength. Yet foreign policy, Irag and the like has fallen to fourth place on the public's list of concerns, as barely 10 - 13% think its all that important. The polls today demonstrate that the tide of opinion is drifting against him. The gambit of going to Washington does not appear to have paid off. Both Gallup and Rasmussen show Obama up by 3% to 4% in their tracking polls. If McCain cannot change he momentum in a debate focussed primarily on Foreign Policy, then he will continue to have an uphill climb.
We'll see - but I don't think this debate was a game changer.
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I've never voted Democrat, but even I know that McCain's foreign policy has led him to misstep after misstep.
Far from eloquent, McCain reminded the nation of their grandpa: always telling old worn-out stories.
We quickly tired of his trite little asides: "I've been there. I know what the terrain looks like."
If that's the best our horse can run, we're in trouble... |
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When are we going to get NOBO's medical records? I would like to know when he did cocaine last, and I am wondering how his smoking has affected his lungs. Daniel, yes, smoking causes cancer, that must disqualify NOBO from being president, he could die you know! Your secrecy story holds no water you goof.
GET OBAMA"S MEDICAL RECORDS NOW! Not just the ones he has picked for the Americans to see, we need to know if Obama will get weak and go back to the ole crack pipe!
daniel writes: Saturday, September, 27, 2008 2:33 AM
McCAIN'S MELANOMA ABSENT
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but our own. They both lost. |
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I loved how the media used the same camera set-up that was used during the Kennedy-Nixon Debate. Did anyone else notice this? McCain won the debate hands-down. |
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The first few minutes I was upset with McCain for not hitting Obama and the Dems about Freddie Mac/Frannie Mae coz it was their policies that led to the crisis (The Community Reinvestment Act) and the bill sponsored by McCain years ago that would have regulated them (The Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005).
So I was just listening to the debates but not really watching. Then I watched the whole thing again and observing how they behaved, their facial expressions, made an impact. Now I feel good about McCain, I don't care about the polls, I think he's just great all around. |
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Look, when, WHEN are we going to get his medical records???
72, 4 bouts of deadly melanoma cancer, and we don't have the full story?
This is bad. We can't have him running the country with this much secrecy.
McCain: Too Secretive For America.
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I watched the debate at a bar in NYC the liberal capital of the world. McCain crushed him, the liberals in the bar knew it and walked out in disgust when the debate was over! I went to another bar when the debate was over, you heard all the liberals (most of the bar) rumble how bad Obama did tonight! |
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Actually, unless there is a bump in the polls tomorrow, nobody won.
However, given Obama is ahead in the polls and neither candidate gets a bump, Obama won.
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Trisha calls McCain an "old rump".
I'd have to agree. But then it begs the question:
DOES "OLD RUMP" TRUMP "KINDERGARTNER"?
Parents are older and wiser than their children for a reason: One's been around the block a few times and knows his way around. The other is not allowed out of the yard because he might get lost.
Sorry, Trisha. I read your post and couldn't help myself. It was begging to be said. You have a right to your opinion Trisha. No hard feelings. I believe you should vote your convictions, and I don't think you are crazy.
You are passionate in your opinions. I hope you live to be 100 and I hope you live LIKE YOU'RE ALIVE WHILE YOU DO IT. McCain is trying to do the same. Please don't bury him before he is dead.
P.S. You might want to be careful about the "puppet" comment because if you're basing your statement on lack of experience, people might start making the connection that Obama chose Joe Biden to serve as his marionette on foreign policy.
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What I am seeing, and continue to see, is Republican Party hacks treating Obama the same way a lot of Democratic hacks treated Reagan in 1980.
If by who won the debate you are asking who appealed to independents, I'll have to go with Fox News and the Frank Luntz piece. Obama wins easily.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wup4nsIWe8A |
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I was going to vote for McCain either way, so I'm biased, but I thought there were a few key moments for McCain.
-the bracelet showdown was awkward and I think Obama looked petty with that.
-I don't think bringing up that Bush opened talks with North Korea was a winning point. First because it looks like that idea is blowing up in our faces almost immediately. Secondly because it doesn't fit the McCain is just like Bush theme. I think he did a similar thing talking about negotiating with Iran - don't see where the point is with those contrasts...Obama is doing McCain's job for him with that line of attack.
-I don't think it was a good idea to mention Russia when talking about dealing with Iran.
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I was going to vote for McCain either way, so I'm biased, but I thought there were a few key moments for McCain.
-the bracelet showdown was awkward and I think Obama looked petty with that.
-I don't think bringing up that Bush opened talks with North Korea was a winning point. First because it looks like that idea is blowing up in our faces almost immediately. Secondly because it doesn't fit the McCain is just like Bush theme. I think he did a similar thing talking about negotiating with Iran - don't see where the point is with those contrasts...Obama is doing McCain's job for him with that line of attack.
-I don't think it was a good idea to mention Russia when talking about dealing with Iran.
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That is a sorry choice.... but what I want to know is if Hillary Clinton won the Democratic Primary would McCain have went and found himself a black man for VP? To get his votes as he did with Palin for Hillarys? I am sure he would have, cause he knows that there isnt anyone that is not an unknown that would want to run with him! |
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Clearly all McCain would like to do is pull out his guns and go to war... sorry suckers America doesnt want war. McCain doesn't have a plan until Bush puts his hand inside his puppet back and tells him what it is. Palin cannot put two words together for herself. If America is going to have a female President, we need a strong woman in office not someone who cannot speak for herself or waits for someone to tell her what she is going to be asked, or how to respond to it. Please are you seriously believing that his old rump is going to live long enough that she won't have to take over. Cause from all the extensive travel he says he has done, I am sure he will want to be on the front line to shoot out the first opponent. Just to be able to say he did it. WAY BACK WHEN!! Yall are crazzzyyyy! Obama tapped that rump tonite and your poll is clearly republican biased. Just as ours is... the truth shall be obvious when Obama kicks his old tired rump heart attack having rump in the polls!!! |
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Obama was wearing an AMERICAN FLAG PIN
McCain was NOT wearing an AMERICAN FLAG PIN, I beleive according to the Republican standard of American Patriotism that makes Johm McCain NOT WORTHY ! |
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Obama is a STUDENT.
He STUDIES.
He LISTENS.
McCain is a VETERAN.
He FIGHTS
He UNDERSTANDS.
Obama is a TEACHER.
He LECTURES.
He SPEAKS.
McCain is a REFORMER.
He ACTS.
He PERSUADES.
Obama talks about what he WANTS TO DO.
BUT we have no evidence he can DO ANY OF IT!
McCain acts on what he says he WANTS TO DO
AND his voting record IS EVIDENCE...HE DOES IT!
I BELIEVE HE'LL FIGHT FOR ME.
I BELIEVE HE'LL TAKE A HIT FOR ME.
HIS ACTIONS, WOUNDS, AND VOTING RECORD PROVES IT.
OBAMA is nuanced and unproven.
MCCAIN is clear and proven.
I DON'T EXPECT PERFECTION, I SEEK AUTHENTICITY THAT I CAN DEPEND ON.
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I thought McCain held back on the economy. It would have been easy for McCain to blast Obama, Dodd and Frank on Freddie and Fannie. Why didn’t he?
Because Country First. A deal needs to be made. This weekend. Such an attack would not help.
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This was McLames strong point and Obama held his own and exceeded expectations!
Point to Obama!
Next week Palin gets embarassed out of her skirt and this baby is over! |
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"out of control SPENDING. ... And I didn't hear Senator Obama do anything other than propose MORE."
Getting us out of Iraq would save $10 billion a month. That's nearly a trillion dollars over the eight years of the Obama presidency. |
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JOHN MCCAIN,IS FOR REAL HE IS MORE NORMAL,JIM LEHER IS A GOOD MAN.HE IS A FORMER US MARINE,AFTER THE DEBATE GEORGE STEPHONOPHOLOS,THE GAY DUDE,SAID OBAMA LOOKED BETTER CHARLY GIBSON TOOK UP FOR OBAMA,GEORGE WILL SAID OBAMA HAD A LEG UP,IM STARTING TO SEE THAT GEORGE WILL,TAKES UP FOR OBAMA,THEY ARE THE RADICL-NEWS MEDIA STILL MCCAIN DID WIN,JUST DONT EVER BELIEVE THE LIBERAL SPIN!OBAMA WAS ALL FOGED OUT,HE SAID HE WOULD MEET WITH THE IRAN DUDE!MCCAIN IS THE MAN FOR THE USA NOT B.HUSSEIN! |
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McCain clearly won the foreign policy part of the debate and Obama won the economic portion of the debate. In terms of demeanor, McCain was the stronger candidate. However, Obama resonated more with undecideds by saying, unchallenged, that al Qaeda is stronger now than in 2001 and that he would cut taxes for 95% of the population. McCain ceded both points, which was a mistake. As Dick Morris said, it was also a mistake to not explain his actions this week with regard to the financial crisis. He could have tied Obama to an unpopular policy and criticized him for failing to take action, he didn't do so, therefore the debate was a push. |
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...the single biggest threat to the future of this nation is the out of control SPENDING.
And I didn't hear Senator Obama do anything other than propose MORE.
It must be brought under control as soon as possible, and I think anyone who wants to continue spending "on behalf of the middle class" should be kicked out of office.
Tax dollars should be spent strategically, not used as bribes to fellow Congressfolk who agree to "compromise" bills.
The "compromise" should be in the details... and the far left/right ideology. |
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Or perhaps you wrote your blog entry before the debate even started which is more likely. But McCain clearly did not do well. McCains approach to Iraq is wrong. McCains approach to Iran is wrong. I was on the fence prior to McCain choosing Palin (a disaster of epic proportions) when I started to fall into Obama's court - this debate sealed the deal. |
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I was hoping to hear where he stood on the Rescue Plan and all he said was that he would vote for it. That's it??? That's what you suspended your campaign for? Did you just throw the House Republicans under the Straight Talk Express Bus??
I did hear his buddies on the radio today (Kyle, Lieberman and Graham) all talking about how we MUST pass the Paulson Rescue Plan ASAP. So I guess I shouldn't be surprised.
I'll reserve my opinion until I see how he votes but if he's for the so called "Rescue" plan, I cannot vote for him. |
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I thought McCain did well. This clearly his territory!
Obama, is just words. It was so clear that was rehearsed. That's why he did not want to go to washington. He has been preparing for weeks and week.
We can not afford his programs, and I worry that his supports don't understand that. We can afford universal healthcare, nor do I believe it the concept anyway. Universal healthcare alone will bankrupt.
I just heard Alan"idot" Colmes say Obama was not the most Liberal Senator in the Senate, Are you kidding me?
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There is probably not a man, woman or child anywhere in the world who doesn't know about Mc Cain's ordeal as a prisoner of war in Viet Nam, and he needs to stop talking about it and talk about the things he would do to help the United States NOW! He is old and set in his ways but enough for God's sake!
I really hoped he would do a better job telling us exactly how he would help us out of all the problems facing us today but I was very disappointed in his inability to put that message forward.
Now I vehemently dislike Democrats and their policies, and I do not want Obama as my President, but Mc Cain needs to get with the program and shut the hell up about his war past - leave it in the past.
And......someone needs to slip him a 'passion pill' as he is sorely lacking in being able to excite the audience. If he wins this election, it will be a freaking miracle. |
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"one gets the feeling that Barack is choosing every word with care when he discusses foreign policy"
Criticizing the Bush administration is not the same thing as criticizing the US. The American people, as you put it, understand that and agree with Obama's position.
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Seeing that word somehow made me think of Atlas Shrugged and the proposed limits on exec pay. If Obama gets his way will the engines of the world disapear into Galt's gulch? |
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