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Friday, January 12, 2007
Me and Brian Camenker
Posted by: Dean Barnett at 5:59 PM

For this news cycle anyway, Brian Camenker has emerged as a thorn in Mitt Romney’s side. A long time fixture on the fringe of Massachusetts politics, Camenker and his organization, MassResistance, have steadily expressed their disappointment with Mitt Romney as well as virtually every other Massachusetts Republican. One important note – Camenker’s MassResistance verges on being a hate group. Its disappointment with Romney and his Republican predecessors in the Massachusetts’ gubernatorial office is that they haven’t been sufficiently hostile to homosexuals.

None of this is easy for me to write. As strange as it may seem, Brian Camenker and I once were friends. When I ran for State Representative in Massachusetts’s 12th Middlesex district in 1992, Brian was an active Republican ward committee member in the area I sought to represent. We got to know each other reasonably well. I thought he was a nice guy, and I think he felt the same about me. On Election Day in 1992, it poured. In a driving rainstorm, Brain stood next to me that cold morning holding one of my campaign signs for almost two hours.

Any candidate for office knows that a service like that creates a debt that the candidate can’t ever repay. It wasn’t all about me, and I was never so vain as to conclude that the people who volunteered that morning did so because they were my minions or followers. They believed in a cause, and I was the standard bearer for that cause. Nevertheless, the signs they held had my name on them. Almost a decade and a half later, I still feel indebted.

I GOT CREAMED THAT ELECTION DAY, as did virtually every other Republican office seeker in the Commonwealth. I stayed involved with the 12th Middlesex political scene, though, focusing especially on Newton, MA which was my hometown.

The 1993 political year for Newton was dominated by a contentious city-wide argument over the School Committee races. The Newton High Schools were giving out condoms and beginning a more “progressive” form of sex-ed. Both of these things scandalized the town’s conservatives, and they mounted a slate of candidates to run on a “traditional value” platform. The unquestioned leader of the movement, and the angriest Newton conservative, was Brian Camenker.

When it came to School Committee issues, I have always sided with conservatives who believe our schools should focus on educating our children. Other potential agendas, like having the schools serve as a job program for teachers or “socialization” programs, have to take a back seat. I felt that way then, I feel that way now.

I managed the campaign of one of the conservative candidates for School Committee. While I agreed with the policy prescriptions proposed by Brian and his ilk, we got to the same place via very different routes. For Brian Camenker and a handful of others, opposing Newton’s sex-ed program became a moral crusade. Having graduated one of Newton’s high schools a mere eight years earlier, I knew that there was nothing that a sex-ed program would teach students that they hadn’t already learned from magazines, their friends or experience. (In this day of the internet…)

There was also the issue of Brian’s feelings regarding homosexuality. Brian opposed anything that the schools might do that taught tolerance for homosexuals, not on the practical ground that scarce resources for education should be used solely for, you know, education, but rather on a "moral" ground that teaching tolerance for homosexuality was somehow immoral. I found this repugnant, and was not shy about saying so at Ward and City Committee Meetings. Additionally, it was bad politics. One other note - I also thought that Brian’s concerns regarding homosexuality were deepening into an obsession.

In the end, all of the conservative candidates lost. It was no big surprise to anyone, or at least it shouldn’t have been. Newton is one of the most liberal cities in the country. Barney Frank has been the city’s congressman for a generation. A slate of candidates who defined themselves by their anti-homosexual “morality” never had a chance.

At the end of 1993, I moved to Boston and lost touch with the Newton political scene. I have not spoken to Brain Camenker in over 13 years.

BUT I HAVE OCCASSIONALLY SEEN HIM on the news or read about him in the newspaper. My suspicion that Brian had become obsessed with gay issues was subsequently borne out. He has spent his leisure time the past 13 years turning himself into Massachusetts’ most notorious anti-gay scold.

I’m sure Brian would describe his role differently, but I’ll let you be the judge. Seven months ago, Brian and his organization protested a Macy’s window display in Downtown Boston that celebrated Pride Week. Here’s how the Boston Herald summarized Brian’s complaints:

“They were male mannequins with enlarged breasts, and one was wearing a skirt,” said MassResistance president Brian Camenker, referring to the gay pride flag wrapped around one figure, cinched with a white belt. “It was really disgusting.”

My point isn’t that the display was appropriate or inappropriate, although those who found it inappropriate could surely shop elsewhere to register their disapproval. (Readers who for whatever reason are desperate to make up their own minds regarding the display can follow the link and see a picture of it.) My point is that Brian Camenker has spent the last thirteen years of his life doing things like getting outraged over store mannequins that he found “disgusting.” The man I knew 14 years ago was a good man, a dedicated father and a nice guy. He was normal. His current incarnation is, more than anything else, sad.

But Brian is what he is, and the media has discovered him. Previously, Brian had danced around the margins of fame, doing things like making a fool of himself by appearing on the Daily Show blasting the "gay agenda." Mitt Romney’s campaign, however, has catapulted Brian to new heights. A national media desperate to find the dirt under Romney’s fingernails has found Brian, a longtime antagonist of the Governor’s.

Responding to popular demand, Brian and his group today issued a 28 page report belittling Romney’s bona fides as a social conservative. Not everything in it is wrong. Indeed, most of it is factually correct. But the fact that Camenker is so infuriated by the charges he lists should disqualify him from a seat at the Grownups’ Table of civilized political discourse.

Here are some of the headings in Camenker’s report that purport to show Romney’s past outrages:

Gov. Romney has a long history of promoting and furthering the homosexual agenda, and working closely with leading gay activists.

Romney twice sought and received the endorsement of the homosexual Log Cabin Republican Club.

Romney's campaign distributed pro-gay rights campaign literature during Boston's "Gay Pride" events

Romney supports homosexual "anti-discrimination" laws.

Romney appointed prominent homosexuals to key positions in his administration.

Is this homophobia? I link you decide.

As for liberals in the media and the blogosphere who think legitimizing Brian Camenker will be a swell way to take Mitt Romney down a peg, they might want to rethink that. People like Andrew Sullivan (who in the past has approvingly cited Camenker as an anti-Romney authority) should strongly consider the wisdom of offering Brian that kind of legitimacy.

Regarding media outlets like AP who have printed a news story on Mitt Romney’s critic and the 28 page report he just released excoriating the former Governor, one can only wonder whether they’ve read the report and are aware of the raw, undiluted hatred that it contains.

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Steve_in_Corona writes: Friday, January, 12, 2007 6:33 PM
Curiously wondering...
Brian opposed anything that the schools might do that taught tolerance for homosexuals, not on the practical ground that scarce resources for education should be used solely for, you know, education, but rather on a "moral" ground that teaching tolerance for homosexuality was somehow immoral.
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Depends on what the schools meant as 'tolerance' - was it simple 'live and let live' (which I doubt) or was it validation (i.e. the 'new' tolerance).

Because if the latter, then millions of Americans (Jews, Christians, Muslims and atheists) would agree it is immoral to teach this to children.

Another comment was perplexing..." Brian and his group today issued a 28 page report belittling Romney’s bona fides as a social conservative. Not everything in it is wrong. Indeed, most of it is factually correct. But the fact that Camenker is so infuriated by the charges he lists should disqualify him from a seat at the Grownups’ Table of civilized political discourse."

Do I understand that you object to factually correct information about your candidate and friend, because it may portray him poorly in the eyes of many of the conservative voters he must court to win the nomination - and if said voter finds these factually correct statements to be of interest, then they are not capable of 'grownup, civil, political discourse?"
Steve_in_Corona writes: Friday, January, 12, 2007 6:41 PM
I take issue here too..
For Brian Camenker and a handful of others, opposing Newton’s sex-ed program became a moral crusade. Having graduated one of Newton’s high schools a mere eight years earlier, I knew that there was nothing that a sex-ed program would teach students that they hadn’t already learned from magazines, their friends or experience. (In this day of the internet…)
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I note the use of the word 'crusade' which is an effective literary device given the negative connotation. A lot of people fight for morality in this country, especially where children (and tax dollars) are concerned.

As to your latter comment - you may be shocked how many parents make the effort to teach their children to avoid pornography, avoid making friends with the wrong crowd, and avoid sexual activity until marriage (or at least not in high school while living under their roof)

Now, please do not take the typical liberal reply when abstinence and sexual purity is discussed by commenting that "these parents are all naive, because all kids do it by high school"
Mike writes: Friday, January, 12, 2007 7:11 PM
Another Richelieu?
The Taliban wing of the Republican party will be its undoing.
Joe writes: Friday, January, 12, 2007 7:11 PM
Camenker, a Bay State Fred Phelps?
Homosexuals are an "abomination" in the bible. God hates shrimp too: http://www.godhatesshrimp.com/ Presumably New England clam chowder is also an abomination (actually poorly made clam chowder is an abomination, but when it has been done right, with lots of cream, and fresh briney oysters, clams, it is a taste of heaven. . . but I digress).

The real question is how are the Patriots going to perform in the playoffs? The bible is just as clear on the uncleaniness of pigskin. They are also playing on Sunday.

Smart money on San Diego.

Tim writes: Friday, January, 12, 2007 7:48 PM
Seems to me, this is good for Mitt
Mr Camenker sounds to me a bit too strident, and media characterization of him as "anti-Romney" probably is a wash at worst for Mitt. I suppose some social conservatives might respond to Camenker's
claims by turning away from Romney, but the vast majority of conservatives I know will see it properly and suggest that pragmatism is as important as a right-of-center perspective. Most
people breathing today know some gay people and we don't have any desire to exterminate them. Tolerance, however, does not translate into support for legislation that redefines an institution (marriage)with 1,000's of years of history at the center of our culture. I think Mr Romney is standing his ground, and has staked out pretty good turf to defend. Attacks from his right aren't his problem, and when they come from nutjobs like Camenker, they probably help him appear more centrist.
BrianHarris writes: Friday, January, 12, 2007 7:49 PM
Steve in Corona
I'm sorry if you dislike the "typical liberal reply" that is pointing out that kids will be kids, but ... well ... dude, kids will be kids. And yes, to expect anything else is naive.

I went to Catholic middle and high schools where they shoved anti-abortion, anti-gay, anti-premarital sex dogma and propaganda down our throats and guess what? The vast majority of my high school class found themselves having premarital sex. In high school. Homosexuals had a harder time, but they didn't suddenly turn straight. One poor kid hung himself because his "guidance counselor" told him his behavior was an abomination in the eyes of God. It was appalling.

Is this what you'd have our public schools become? Indoctrination camps for YOUR values? Never mind what MY values are or the values of the millions of people who don't believe what you do, and God forbid we ask the kids what THEY think. After all, they're just teenagers. They can't possibly have any valuable thoughts of their own, unless they're echoing yours.

I'm not even suggesting that you're dead wrong. I'm just suggesting that we avoid moral judgments and look at the actual results of abstinence-based, anti-homosexual, or (as you'd call it) "values-based" education.

Steve, this is why there's been such a backlash against the Christian right. Your high moral tone and your implication that you and only you have a monopoly on truth - it's all just immensely frustrating.
Quint writes: Friday, January, 12, 2007 8:00 PM
Thorn in Romney's side?
I had never heard of MassResistance until January 11, 2007. Maybe conservatives just don't like Mitt Romney. Ever think of that? The conservatives around the nation have heard about his socialist medical programs in Massachusetts. Is that possible?
Joe writes: Friday, January, 12, 2007 8:45 PM
Hugh and Dean are for Mitt
So they will defend Romney on all charges and attack any of his opponents with vigor--hence the constant McCain digs.
myclob writes: Friday, January, 12, 2007 9:30 PM
MassStupidity
This site:
http://massresistance.org/docs/marriage/romney/record/

says:

Gov. Romney has a long history of promoting and furthering the homosexual agenda, and working closely with leading gay activists"

Is every aspect of "the homosexual agenda" bad? Homosexuals want christens to follow Christ's teachings of loving your enemies, doing good to them that despitefully use you, and pray for them that… um… how does it go? Are homosexuals bad when they are asking us to follow Christ, and treat them with respect? Are homosexuals bad when they ask us to follow Christ?

Freddy Mercury wasn't just a homosexuall, he was a person. Part of his homosexual agenda was writing great songs, and I thank him for that aspect of his homosexual agenda.
myclob writes: Friday, January, 12, 2007 9:34 PM
More Stupidity
This from Mass Stupidity: "Romney twice sought and received the endorsement of the homosexual Log Cabin Republican Club… But what struck the gay GOP during that campaign, according to Massachusetts Log Cabin Republicans (LCR), was Romney's accessibility to and comfort within the local gay community."

If you go to the log cabin republican's website, you will find the following; "We are loyal Republicans. We believe in low taxes, limited government, strong defense, free markets, personal responsibility, and individual liberty. Log Cabin represents an important part of the American family-taxpaying, hard working people who proudly believe in this nation's greatness."

The people at MassResistance are astounded at Romney's "comfort within the local gay community". Should Romney never talk to or associate with Gay people? Would that make our country a better place? Never talk to anyone that you disagree about anything? It does not mater that Romney agrees with LCRs about Taxes, property rights, and the size of Government. He should never talk to them because they are gay?

I can only assume that MassResitance is apposed to Romney speaking to Gays because of religious reasons. I know we shouldn't mix religion and politics, but what are these people at MassResistance thinking? Are they really a front for the Democratic Party trying to make Christians and republicans look like bad?

Luke chapter 15 encludes the following verses, " Then drew near unto him all the apublicans and sinners for to hear him. And the Pharisees and scribes murmured, saying, This man receiveth sinners, and eateth with them."

Isn't it Ironic that these people who profese to be Christians would say that a politician should be disqualified as a leader for hanging out with people they consider to be sinners, when people tried disqualifying Jesus for doing the same thing. There are many examples of this. Think of the person who washed Jesus's feet. Read Mark 2:15-17. Verse 17 says, "When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are awhole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance."

Look, I'm not trying to say WHO needs healing, or who is a sinner, or sick. I'm trying to say that people at MassResistance are misdirected when they think that that they should not talk to, or accept those who talk to the enemies of MassResistance.

Look. It all boils down to this. Mitt Romney agrees with 90% of what they say about Gay Rights. From wiki: "When he ran for governor in 2002, Romney declared his opposition to both same-sex marriage and civil unions. "Call me old fashioned, but I don't support gay marriage nor do I support civil union," said Romney in an October 2002 gubernatorial debate. They are calling Romney names because he " voiced support for basic domestic partnership benefits for gay couples", talks to, and gave jobs to gays.

Is this how they think Republicans can make it back the majority, by not talking to those who we have ANY disagreement with?

Christians believe that Christ was on earth for religious purposes. If Jesus could eat with sinners than Romney who was in Massachusetts as a politician should surely be allowed to speak politics with "sinners".

In fact Romney's job, as a politician, is to advance any principle that he can agree with someone, no matter who they are.

If Romney disagrees with someone on every single issue but one, Romney should still be allowed to agree with that person on that one issue without being called a hypocrite.

Romney shouldn't say, "I disagree with you on every other issue, AND SO I can not agree with you on this issue. I hate you, I hate you, I hate you!" and go running out of the room, screaming "unclean, unclean!"

If Romney can disagree with someone about everything but taxes, it doesn't mean that Romney should never talk to that person. And if they do talk, they should probably talk about taxes, or the thing they agree on. Some people would call it pandering, and some people would call it tact.

The people that call it pandering, do not have very many friends, and do not get invited to very many parties. Because they think you have to yell at everyone who might possibly slightly disagree with your true principals in order to advance your cause, and never talk to people about what you do agree on, if you have anything that you can argue about first.

Again, these people do not get invited to very many parties because they do not have tact. They don't get called "panderers" because they screen their audience to make sure that they never talk to anyone who does not agree with them on every issue.

Perhaps I should be like Romney and not pick a fight with these people at Mass Resistance. Romney is more mature than them or I. My mom always says, "Convince a man against his will, and he is of the same opinion still." Maybe we should ignore them.

I don't want to ignore them. I don't want to loose any potential Romney supporter, but a lot of people are turning on Romney, because of statements like this:

"This is a subject about which people have tender emotions in part because it touches individual lives. It also has been misused by some as a means to promote intolerance and prejudice. This is a time when we must fight hate and bigotry, when we must root out prejudice , when we must learn to accept people who are different from one another. Like me, the great majority of Americans wish both to preserve the traditional definition of marriage and to oppose bias and intolerance directed towards gays and lesbians."

Governor Mitt Romney, 06-22-2004 Press Release

Should Romney try and explain himself to people that foam at the mouth when they hear the previous statements? What good will it do Romney? These people need love, understanding, and respect too. Romney does not want to pick a fight with them. Romney probably wouldn't use divisive words like "foaming at the mouth". Those are my words to describe people that can not understand the above statement. Romney would probably be more tactful, and not say anything about them in public. After all, to say that they are "bad" is an over simplification. They are probably good people, but just miss-directed. He would probably in his mind just question their maturity.
Nervous-in-November writes: Friday, January, 12, 2007 9:34 PM
Willow weep for Mitt
Ahh, the swiftboating of Mitt Romney. Reap what you sow, boobies. Reap what you sow.
myclob writes: Friday, January, 12, 2007 9:35 PM
All right... this is it
"as we seek to establish full equality for America's gay and lesbian citizens, I will provide more effective leadership than my opponent" as though Ted Kennedy could provide effective leadership on any issue besides on how to become an obese drunken idiot.

Romney HAS shown better leadership than his Ted Kennedy when it comes to treating gay citizens with equality. Romney said this at the Liberty Sunday conference:

"Thank you! What a group! Welcome to this historic city.

And you know that the authors of liberty recognized a divine Creator who bequeathed to us certain inalienable rights. They affirmed freedom of religion, and they proscribed the establishment of any one religion.

But today there are some people who are trying to establish one religion: the religion of secularism. They not only reject traditional values, they reject the values of our founders and they cast aside the wisdom of the ages.

Their allies are activist judges -- and here in Massachusetts activist judges struck a blow to the foundation of civilization: the family. They ruled that our Constitution requires people of the same gender to marry.

I believe their error occurred because they focused on adult rights. They said that if heterosexual adults can marry, then homosexual couples have to also be able to marry to have equal rights.

But what they ignored is that marriage is not primarily about adults. Marriage is about the nurturing and development of children. A child's development is enhanced by the nurturing of both genders. Every child deserves a mother and a father.

Of course, the principal burden of this court's ruling doesn't fall on adults -- it falls on children.

We're asked to change the state birth certificate. To prevent "heterocentricity," mother and father would become "Parent A" and "Parent B."

An elementary school teacher reads to her second graders from a book titled "The King and the King," about a prince who marries a prince -- and a second grader's father is denied the right to have his child taken out of that classroom while the book is being read.

Our state's most difficult-to-place adoptive children may no longer be placed by Catholic Charities because they favor homes where there's a mother and a father.

The price of same-sex marriage is paid by the children. Our fight for marriage, then, should focus on the needs of children, not the rights of adults.

In fact, as Americans , I believe that we should show an outpouring of respect and tolerance for all people. I believe God loves all of his children, that no one is abhorred -- that regardless of the differences and different choices, we should show that same respect. As Americans, we must vigorously reject discrimination and bigotry.

Massachusetts is on the frontline of marriage, but unless we adopt a federal amendment to protect marriage, what's happening here will unquestionably enter every other state. This spreading secular religion -- and its substitute values -- cannot be allowed to weaken the foundation of the family, or the faith of our fathers who "more than life, their country loved."

Thank you so much."

Mitt Romney reached people that Ted Kennedy could never have reached.

The people at MassRestance say the following, "Romney also argued that he would not only support gay friendly policies but would fight on behalf of the gay community to secure benefits such as domestic partner benefits and hospital visitation rights for same-sex couples."

The people of MassRestance don't want someone who is gay, to be able to be visited in the hospital by their partner? I understand that they think being gay is wrong, but this is ridiculous. How can they be apposed to visitation rights in a hospital, when someone may be dying, from seeing someone that they love?

MassResistance then quotes a press release on 6-15-06. I find two press releases from Romney on this date. They can be found here:

http://myclob.pbwiki.com/06-15-2006

I can find nothing close to what they say. Notice how they are very careful to not say that they are quoting Romney…

They say that Romney supports "Romney supports homosexual domestic partnerships. They could find this out by Reading Romney's wikipedia article. It says, " When he ran for governor in 2002, Romney declared his opposition to both same-sex marriage and civil unions. [77] "Call me old fashioned, but I don't support gay marriage nor do I support civil union," said Romney in an October 2002 gubernatorial debate. He also voiced support for basic domestic partnership benefits for gay couples."

In fact, after reading MassResistance, you should probably read an un-biased article, and go here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitt_Romney#Same-sex_marriage

MassResistance, is apposed to Mitt Romney because he, like most republicans, support at least some sort of domestic partnership benefits, but they offer no credible candidate who they would support. THIS IS BECAUSE THERE IS NO CREDIBLE CANDIDATE THAT THEY WOULD SUPPORT.

Long story short, Romney probably wouldn't gain anything by trying to explain him to the mouth-foamers. As Christ said, his sheep hear his voice… the sheep know the voice of their shepherd… People who are going to hate anyone who has ever spoken to a gay person, will hate Romney. That is OK. No one likes these people anyways. People who are convinced by over-simplistic name calling, and labeling might not like Romney. He is in it for the long hall. He will probably turn his check, and let them get big egos, and blow the competition out of the water in the first debate.

That will be a good day.
Steve_in_Corona writes: Friday, January, 12, 2007 10:15 PM
Reply to Brian Harris
Brian, my response and then I leave the last word with you - should you desire it.

I think if you re-read my two posts you will see very little of what you decry in your post. I was talking about parents imparting their values to their kids. This is one reason why your Catholic school example is not relevant, as also is your claim about me wanting the public schools to impart my personal values. I offered no such opinion. And I am not Catholic and frankly, your equating me with the 'Christian right' is lucky guesswork. For all you know, (and anyone reading those two posts) I could simply be an atheist who believes sex is best saved for marriage (such atheists do exist you know) - I mention nothing about Christianity, the Bible or any such thing.

And that is the chief point. If you as a parent want to teach your child about condoms, homosexuality, anal, oral and any other variety of sexual activity - be my guest. It is the right (and duty) of every parent.

And just as you would not want a young-earth, creationist Bible-thumper teacher to undermine your teachings on sex to your kids, I ask for the same respect.

I know that thousands and thousands of school kids are uniting and pledging to avoid sex, drugs, alcohol - and these are not simply the spawn of the 'Christian right' - they are quite likely to listen to hip-hop, cuss like sailors and watch the latest slasher films too.

So when you say kids will be kids - what is different about THOSE kids. All things being equal - would you rather have a 9th grader doing meth and having sex...or not doing it?

I'm sure you despise stereotypes - so don't stereotype America's youth. Yes, they face tremendous pressure - all the more reason for schools to stay out of the parents' way.

Your anecdotal example of the suicide is tragic. Equally as tragic is the young man I know who killed himself when a counselor advised him he was born homosexual (since he was not looking to score with any girls in the 9th grade), and he should just learn to live and enjoy it - tried a couple homosexual acts (looking for some peace) and hated it so much that he wrote he would rather die than have to life life 'born this way'

So I think anecdotal evidence is meaningless to this discussion, isn't it?

Finally, I do not know this Camenker fellow. For all I know he may be an evil person like that Phelps guy. I specifically was replying to the flaws in Dean's argument - again, as my posts clearly show.

And I will probably vote for Romney (certainly over McCain and Rudy)

dudley writes: Friday, January, 12, 2007 10:26 PM
devil or angel
You're just setting up a straw dog here with Camenker. Nobody cares. Fact is, even while smiling, Mitt can't tell the truth. His philosophy is, whatever Lola wants, Lola gets.
(Lola being you, Hugh).
Virginia Patriot writes: Friday, January, 12, 2007 10:27 PM
ROMNEY 2008
AP stands for All Propaganda. Read anything with that tag with suspicion. The anti-Romney stories are deliberate attempts to sway people against Mitt with anything they can dig up. It is kind of shocking that they would stoop to the "nudge-nudge, you know he's one of those Mormons" thing. I live in the South and can tell you we're not all bigoted crackers who will exclude voting for someone because he's not a Bible-thumping Baptist. I would vote for Romney because he is for upholding the rule of law and enforcing the border. I will never again vote for anyone who will not uphold the law. I will not vote for Sen. "Amnesty John" Warner again, even though I have voted for him since 1978.
jvollebregt writes: Saturday, January, 13, 2007 1:51 AM
Bottom Line
Do we want the kind of politician who will say whatever it takes to get elected? In 1994, he was pro-Roe. Is he pro-life now? Some characterize his comments during the 1994 debate as political necessity. But what does he really believe? Honestly, I wouldn't mind if he were either pro-choice or pro-life; it's the consistency I'm concerned about, and I think his lack of it shows his weakness as a leader. The willingness to say anything for the purpose of getting elected is a serious character flaw.

Also, last month Hugh emphasized the importance of military experience for candidates for high office. Does Romney have any? I don't think so.

Is he a bit of a flip-flopper? Maybe, but there is one thing for which we can always count on from Romney: he will never let himself down.

Romney is a poor candidate, even below Kerry-grade.
Scott writes: Saturday, January, 13, 2007 10:39 AM
What should social conservative do?
It is likely that the gay issue will kill a Romney campaign. Like it or not, the Republican Party still stands for morality, or at least, more morality than Democrats.

Also, like it or not, most of us feel that America is being served a menu of sexuality that the liberals have combined into a single moral stew: pre-marital sex, alternate sexual lifestyles, freely available condoms to our children, abortion, open homosexuality, etc.

Finally, like it or not, the stew is difficult to separate back into it components. Supporting homosexual lifestyles demands supporting abortion, free condoms, etc. That is not just a fear of the Right, it is a demand from the Left. And Romney has accepted parts the stew in the past, supporting both abortion and gay rights.

Beyond the question of what kind of Mormon this guy is, it begs the question of what kind of Republican this guy is. Add the moral issues to the state mandate health insurance, and the fact that he co-existed pretty darned successfully with the Democrats from the USSR-Mass, and there are a lot of questions about this guy.

As far as Camenker is concerned, what are your expectations for social conservatives? That we simply remain silent? That we will not try to counter the immorality that we are facing? Where, exactly, do you think a social conservative should draw the line? Apparently active opposition to politicians who support these questionable issues is unacceptable, or at least, active opposition cannot be exercised with the same passion as exhibited by social liberals.

Where do we end up? Increasing government intrusion, either fast (Democrat) or slow (Republican)? Increased hostility to traditional morality, either fast (Democrat) or slow (Republican)? Apparently, the destination has been set. Only the map is different.

Yes, McCain has his issues. I think that McCain will lose with the philosophical doctrinaire Republicans because of the Gang of 14, McCain-Feingold, etc. But McCain is not on record as opposing faith, morality, etc. And McCain’s support for our mission in Iraq is much clearer, as well. McCain is winning where most Republicans live. Not sure I like that, but that’s the way it looks.

Marksal writes: Saturday, January, 13, 2007 12:51 PM
Camenker
Brian Camenker can be to Mitt Romney what Sister Souljah was to Bill Clinton. In other words, Mitt can use Camenker to show the world the difference between support for traditional marriage and discrimination based on sexual preference.
Joe writes: Sunday, January, 14, 2007 7:02 PM
Why Hugh supports Romney?
Same reason Dean and K-Lo support him, Romney is dreamy. Perhaps we should call him Mitt-Dreamy.

Really, beyond Romney's ability to communicate well and be somewhat conservative (or moderate-liberal depending on the race he is in), the only other thing going for him is he is not John McCain.
Jay writes: Tuesday, January, 16, 2007 9:57 PM
Better Question: - Compared to Who?
For all you Romney doubters commenting above... The ones who 'don't trust' Romney... I have one question for you.

You don't trust Romney compared to who?

Do you like McCain, or Giuliani's attitude toward gay marriage better?

Do you like McCain, or Giuliani's position, and history toward guns better?

How about abortion? Who is the best candidate with the best history? Romney, Giuliani, or McCain?

All of these social issues Romney is getting beat up for... all of these issues he's supposedly flip flopped, or changed his position on at the drop of a hat... Do the other viable candidates fare any better? No way!

Since when has McCain showed any courage tempered with tolerance on the gay marriage issue? How about Giuliani?

I was raised in a staunchly pro-life family. I have held pro-life, anti abortion personal views my entire life. But when my wife got pregnant with one of our children, I strongly felt we weren't ready, and wished for some easy way to make it go away, so we could get pregnant a year or so later. All of the sudden I did a flip on abortion..for a brief time. But we didn't entertain those thoughts for long. I hope that people would judge me on my actions, not my beliefs (which did change). Look at your own historical views on the subject (or any of the controversial social issues) and you'll probably see that your views have evolved somewhat too. Romney has a record he can be proud of. Especially compared to the other viable candidates- McCain and Giuliani.

For the record, I like McCain, and Giuliani - I just like Mitt Romney better.

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