Monday, May 12, 2008
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Does Huck Think we "Deserve" Obama?
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Posted by:
Matt Lewis at
8:16 AM
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Bob Novak's column today makes the argument that Huckabee may not be fully supporting John McCain:
... credible activists are spreading the word that Huckabee secretly allies himself with the bitter-end opposition. That hardly seems possible considering his public backing, but critics of Huckabee's 10 years as governor of Arkansas say he is all too capable of playing a double game. ... One experienced, credible activist in Christian politics who would not let his name be used told me that Huckabee, in personal conversation with him, had embraced the concept that an Obama presidency might be what the American people deserve. That fits what has largely been a fringe position among evangelicals: that the pain of an Obama presidency is in keeping with the Bible's prophecy.
Granted, Novak is no fan of Huckabee (my observation). Still, his sources are usually very reliable. As such, I have no doubt that, at least, some of Huck's supporters adhere to this idea ...
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Hector Berlioz writes: '...why don't you give me some evidence that Huckabee has been a supporter of the FairTax for years? I somehow doubt it.'
ME: As near as I can calculate, Huckabee embraced the FairTax as part of his campaign platform sometime around the first of May 2007.
I deduce this from the fact that he makes no mention of it in his first YouTube video on taxes, found here:
"Taxes/Economy" April 24, 2007
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thFYInmMuuc
But, he was invited to speak at the May 15, 2007 FairTax Rally, here:
"Mike Huckabee addresses the Fair Tax Rally" 05-15-07
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhAO8-vRjHA
Now, he may have been studying it for awhile prior to the rally, but had not yet made it part of his platform as of the April 24, 2007 video.
That likely means he had to come out publically supporting it by around the first of May in order to get the speaking invitation to the rally. |
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I admit it: I hate Huckabee. Pretty easy to admit.
As for calling you folks names, if you support the FairTax at any cost, you are a dolthead. If you don't, count yourself out from that category.
Huckabee is not Hitler. I didn't mean that. I apologize. |
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the problem as I see it, is that Huckie was never on the list, and suddenly pops on it? Something ain't passing the smell test on this one. I think it's a 'trial balloon' from the one guy on McCain's staff who loves huckie. I look for a firing really quick. But, if Mac is really considering Huck, I say 'go for it'. Yea, we will totally suffer for 4 years, with President Obama. BUT, inthe end, we will be a better party, a better conservative and will work endlessly to elect Romney in 2012. Where the rubber meets the road, the numbers (regardless of Cav's really bad math) just aint there. You can't tork off the entire west, and expect to win the election. |
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if Huckabee is a man of his word. His public word anyway. He promised to help McCain become our next president. Lets see if actually helps him raise mucho campaign cash. Or rallies his own evangelical base to McCain's side, each and every congregation. Or uses his free media to praise and promote McCain instead of himself.
If he does all that, and is believable, and convinces his base that he really wants McCain to win, than they will support him, they will contribute, they will join McCain's campaign. If they don't, its because Huckabee will have been less than convincing.
I kinda know already how this is gonna turn out but its gonna be fun to watch Huckabee be inauthentic. |
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Just void of respect for the right rev. Huckacheeze. |
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And he is an inspired communicator and consistent advocate for the Fair Tax. I didn't even know that Hunter and Tancredo were actually CO-SPONSORS OF THE LEGISLATION, until after they dropped out. They never said anything about it, that I remember.
And as to calling us "doltheads"; I think we can be adults about all this, and discuss these topics in a calm and well-reasoned manner. I think we can dispense with the name-calling.
You big, old, bed-wetting doody-head. |
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1) Correct me if I'm wrong, but the authors of the FairTax book are the very admirable Neal Boortz and congressman John Linder. Rush Limbaugh may indeed be a proponent as well. I don't have a problem with that. But since you're wrong on this fact, why don't you give me some evidence that Huckabee has been a supporter of the FairTax for years? I somehow doubt it.
2) I don't oppose the FairTax. My problem is with doltheads who want to implement it so much that they'll vote for Hitler to do it. |
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"As you can see Bob Novak, a Romney supporter is just trying to cause trouble for Mike Huckabee."
How true... What amazes me is that the corporate shill wing of the party doesn't realize how little real power it has when people actually get to vote.
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If you're so desperate for the FairTa that you'd vote for Huckabee, why don't you go ahead and vote for Mike Gravel as well? He supports the FairTax too. |
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since when? Today? That's a laugh. I actually believe Novak on this one. I've watched Huckie stab folks in the back, while smiling in their faces.
How to tell when huckie is protecting his backside? When his mouth is moving faster than he can think. |
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Just wanted to get the record straight. This is a statement from Mike Huckabee today on the Huck Pac website about the mentioned article:
"On another note, I was very disturbed by a column by Robert Novak that quoted some “anonymous source” in saying that while I strongly supported Senator McCain, I thought that maybe America “deserves Obama,” as if to say that I secretly hoped he won.
Where do people dream up this stuff? Forget the “anonymous” sources—there’s nothing anonymous about my stand and here it is. We don’t “deserve” Obama—we DESERVE a President with the character, convictions, experience, and wisdom to see the problems we face and try to lead us to solve them. We deserve a President who truly loves this country and from whom there is no doubt as to his respect for Faith, Family, and the kind of Freedom that those before us have given their lives to pass on to us. John McCain meets that criteria and that’s why I am campaigning for him and not hoping for Obama. The nonsense that I want Obama to win this year so I can run in 2012 is absurd. I love my country more than my own ambition. So let the record and truth be clear. And let the “anonymous” sources either show the courage to stand up and be accountable for their comments or shut up and leave commentary to people who aren’t afraid of their own shadow."
As you can see Bob Novak, a Romney supporter is just trying to cause trouble for Mike Huckabee.
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he has with his daily rants about "Juan Hernandez" and "La Raza", he and people like him appeal to the worst racist instincts...
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JoeB131,
Once again, you're attempting to smear Virginia Patriot with your cheap, spurious "Klansman" characterization.
I've n-e-v-e-r seen Virginia Patriot write anything that qualifies as "bigoted" or "racist."
And neither have you.
I think that Virginia Patriot and the other fellows on the far right are terribly naive and misguided by refusing to vote for McCain, thereby enabling Obama to win the White House---in which case Obama WILL give us amnesty, as well as higher taxes, left wing nuts on the judiciary, and appeasement of the Jihadists.
But attempting to smear VA Pat as a "Klansman" when he's never written anything to deserve that characterization is just plain sleazy. |
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Once again, the anti-immigrant issue is political rat poison. If it was a winning issue, then every candidate who embraced it wouldn't have gone down in defeat. Tancredo, Fred Thompson, Mitt Romney, they all took a big swig of the Anti-immigrant koolaid and had the expected result.
The fact is that 66% of the population supports some form of path to citizenship. Of the 34% who don't, they aren't going to support the GOP for other issues. On the other hand, the stance you want alienates Hispanic voters from the party.
It should be pointed out that Bob Dole ran on an anti-immigrant platform, and did the worst ever for GOP Candidate amongst hispanics, while George W. Bush got 40% of the Hispanic vote in 2004 and McCain will probably do even better. |
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The RNC wanted an amnesty candidate. They wanted the one issue that could have won the election off the table.
Good Luck with The Maverick, you're going to need it.
All of the liberalism without that icky D label. |
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"We know that Huckabee, while always pro-life, was not always a very "affable" guy. That was the great lie of his campaign."
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Couldn't agree with you more, Hector! This ethically-challenged, NON-affable guy has been (Huckabeen) the biggest farce in a long time! |
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All of this nonsense would not be happening if the had focused on principles and issues rather than "electability". Everyone is being asked to sacrifice everything for the sake of McCain. Mavericks don't deserve that kind of devotion. None of these guys do. With Barr now in the race, this election may turn into a stampede because a field of weak candidates opens possibilities for other weak candidates. Hey, I haven't dropped out yet myself. |
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Why do you guys come up with this suff. Give it a break..we all know Novak is a Romney supporter and is pushing for him to be on the ticket. |
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Huckabee is a tax raiser. He doesn't care about anybody but himself just like Mccain. They are both selfish. They sell conservatives down the river. They suck up when they need us. Then they backstab us. |
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You are certainly correct that we can't predict what will happen in 2012. It is just my opinion that as people have gotten to know Huckabee that he has lost a lot of the appeal he had when he first became known as he won Iowa.
I understand that the story could be the same as McCain, as you pointed out, but I'm just giving my opinion that Huckabee's appeal is too limited. I am a Romney supported and I know that you will point out that he too is much too limited in his appeal. We'll just have to wait and see. |
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"I am not a Huckabee fan, and don't believe he will have any shot in 2012 whether McCain wins the presidency or not. He has alienated too many people, and this perception that he is secretly hoping for a McCain failure (whether real or not) will not help."
If you had told me last year that McCain would be the nominee, I'd have told you that you were nuts. No way he'd get the nomination, he's alienated evangelicals, the NRA, Right to Life, and just about every other group.
I think it is premature to say who will be the nominee four years out. We don't know what will change between now and then.
Keep in mind, all the pundits said we'd be in the middle of the great New Yawk battle between Hillary and Guiliani right now. |
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Of course Huckabee would never say publicly that we deserve Obama. It's what he does (or doesn't do) privately and in his small circle of advisors that is Novak's point. He is going through the motions of supporting McCain, though it seems half-heartedly.
I also am always skeptical of unnamed and unverified sources, but Novak has always used this approach and has usually proved to be on target. I am not a Huckabee fan, and don't believe he will have any shot in 2012 whether McCain wins the presidency or not. He has alienated too many people, and this perception that he is secretly hoping for a McCain failure (whether real or not) will not help. |
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Beware the candidate who decided to run with the FairTax after merely reading the book. |
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In the second paragraph, it should read "[McCain] is for free trade, THOUGH...." not "thought" |
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Don't ignore un-anon source Novak has, namely Michael Farris:
""""""Farris is another matter. A vigorous supporter of Huckabee for president, he has not endorsed McCain and may never do so (though he quickly adds he never would vote for Obama or Hillary Clinton). "I am concerned about what judges he (McCain) may name," Farris told me, "and the test will be who he selects for vice president." He made it clear that Huckabee would be his choice, and ruefully adds, "I understand he is not under consideration.""""""
Like I said, blackmailing. |
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Just another 234,000 response posts and that new toaster is YOURS....
I like how Lewis puts this blog post up, and does't include this part of the article:
"In conversations with me, Huckabee and Farris both denied advocating that an Obama presidency should be inflicted on the country."
So, no, Huckabee doesn't think we "deserve" Obama. |
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The Fair Tax is the main reason that I am a Huckabee supporter. The second reason is his superb performance in the debates. The third reason is that he was winning primaries without spending a lot of money (he had grassroots appeal, in other words).
McCain wasn't a good choice for me because of Campaign Finance Reform. He is for free trade, thought, and he is impressive in his opposition to government subsidies (I mean, telling Iowans that we shouldn't be subsidizing ethanol--that's political courage)
I was fine with Romney, at least he says the conservative message right down the line. But Romney wasn't for tax reform of any kind, just cuts in the tax rate. I strongly believe that tax reform is becoming an issue of paramount importance for our nation's future. But Romney is not even for a flat tax, much less the fair tax. And Romney had that weird health-care plan that swings close to socialism (forcing people to purchase health insurance). And Romney promised, during his Michigan campaign, to spend $40 billion in government subsidies to prop up the auto industry. |
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You make a good point about McCain's past sins with evangelicals. I think there's a touch of blackmailing going on though, with Huckabee and his supporters. Their message seems to be: Pick Huck for VP ...OR ELSE. |
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Sure there are Evangelicals who have adopted the "win by losing strategy" and are waiting till 2012. Many here at Townhall hold the same views on immigration and other conservative principals. They refuse to support McCain and figure four years of Neocarterism under Obama will wake people up.
I disagree with such a strategy. It is dangerous.
But this piece by Novak is more of the unnamed source ax to grind stuff that no one can verify. Bob Novak is turning into the Page Six of politics. Huckabee says he supports McCain but this seems just an attempt to create bad blood. |
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it's not Huckabee who can win or lose this thing for McCain, it's McCain himself. If he's in a hole with the evangelicals, it's because he said stupid things over the years to antagonize them. Now he needs them, after he's discovered that the liberal media that used to kiss his backside has found themselves a new Man-crush, Barack Obama.
Evangelicals went to Huckabee not necessarily because they agree with his message on bigger government or a "Fair Tax" (which would be anything but), but because McCain was unacceptable for his attacks on them and Romney was unacceptable because he's a Mormon.
How does McCain make this up? I think the only way is to find a runningmate (not Huck) who has solid street cred with the evangelical community. |
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Somehow I'm not surprised. We know that Huckabee, while always pro-life, was not always a very "affable" guy. That was the great lie of his campaign. |
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