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Wednesday, November 26, 2008
Norm, Saxby and Arlen
Posted by: Hugh Hewitt at 9:19 AM
Norm Coleman's lead in Minnesota is at 231 votes with 82% of the recount complete.

There are less than 4,000 challenged ballots to be reviewed by the five member State Canvassing Board, so a very clear picture of the final result should be available soon, just in time for the Georgia runoff next week.  Saxby Chambliss appears on today's program, and the Chuck Schumer-led Senate Dems are pouring cash into Georgia to try and get closer to 60.  Please consider one last gift of $25, $50 or $100 to www.Saxby.org, and make sure you call every Republican you know in Georgia and urge them to vote today (the last day for early voting).

Powerline's Scott Johnson runs through various Minnesota recount developments here.

Campaign 2010 will get off to a quick start, and nowhere more quickly than in Pennsylvania, where Arlen Specter will run again.  I supported him in 2004 and will be doing so enthusiastically again in 2010, and hope that Club for Growth's talented Pat Toomey doesn't run against Specter but instead for the Statehouse.  The Los Angeles Times provides an early look at this race and the possible candidacy of MSNBC's likeable liberal Chris Matthews. 

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cottoneyed writes: Saturday, November, 29, 2008 8:44 PM
Pardon me foolbear, but not so
quick, it's a little matter of a Federal Judge, he does not agree with your "assessment" of the situation. Valid documentation must be provided by Dec. 5. Thats according to a Federal Judge, you foolishbear, it's you who has that "hat" on, if you think otherwise. Obambi, must prove conclusively that he is a natural born citizen, and he must do it by Dec. 5.

This is really quite simple, to date he has NOT produced the valid documentation, that is if you believe a Federal Judge. Just who has a "tinfoil" hat on, and who doesn't, Fan Tan.

"Our President is black", or is he!

Incidentally, I'll call Obambi, obambi, just as long as damn well please.
Nick writes: Friday, November, 28, 2008 8:44 PM
How
could anyone be stupid enough to read wonkette?
fbear writes: Friday, November, 28, 2008 7:01 PM
cottoneyed
Barack Obama (not "Obambi"--show some respect. Remember the Golden Rule) has produced his birth certificate, and the claim that it's not valid has been debunked.

Now put away your tin foil hat.
cottoneyed writes: Friday, November, 28, 2008 6:46 PM
That's the problem, isn't it,
"unwanted children". We now, live in a culture, in a society, one where we call ourselves, "civilized", and yet a term, "unwanted children" is in fact, not just a term, but is an actuality!! We have a segment of our population, that believes that we have, "unwanted children". How did we get to this, where children can be "unwanted". Is it any wonder that Western Civilization has been and is in decline. And will continue in that decline, if leftists ideology continues to be fostered. This ideology is unwanted by a large majority of the America, yet it consistently is forced on it, by the small minority.

For the last 45 years, leftists, in one form or another, has set out to destroy Western Civilization. From feminism to gay rights, multiculturalism to the global warming hoax, political correctness to a "living, breathing" Constitution, gay marriage to condoms being more important than reading, writing and arithmetic, abortion to Oprah, it has all been brought to us by the left. And, to this country's great detriment.
cottoneyed writes: Friday, November, 28, 2008 5:39 PM
Logic 101, a syllogism:
Major Premise: All candidates for POTUS must be able to prove that they are eligible to run for this office and meet the requirements, as spelled out in Article II, Section 1 of the US Constitution. These requirements include conclusive proof of having been born a natural born citizen of the US.

Minor Premise: Mr. obambi has steadfastly refused to provide documents that prove he meets citizenship requirements.

Conclusion: Mr. obambi cannot prove he is a natural born citizen and that is why he has not produced these documents, and further, he is therefore ineligible to serve as POTUS.

I'm sure that many of our leftists stalwarts here at HH, as "finely" educated as they are, can appreciate, this logical conclusion.

Are we headed for a Constitutional crisis? But hey, our "President" is black, or is he?
fbear writes: Friday, November, 28, 2008 2:12 PM
Creepy Chambliss
http://wonkette.com/404631/oh-and-a-happy-thanksgiving-to-y ou-too-saxby-chambliss

How could anyone support someone stupid enough to grope his daughter on camera.
Laura writes: Friday, November, 28, 2008 9:41 AM
OBAMA REFUSES TO PROVIDE
proof of valid birth certificate. Do yourself a great favor and go here to see what we're in store for with the new furor, if no one cares
The Plumber writes: Friday, November, 28, 2008 9:37 AM
PL
CVN65 is right.

When my sisters and I would fight, my mom separated us to our separate rooms. We by no means stayed apart, but the less we hung out together, the better we got along when together.

Libs and conservatives by-and-large, need to be separated. I'd could really care less that you're a modern liberal ONLY IF your ideology had little or no impact on my ideology and chosen lifestyle.

Do you honestly think that a family who lives in a state where abortion is illegal will have the kid, then move to a state where abortion is legal just for the benefits that state provides?

Maybe you think that our population will grow at an unstable rate? I gots news for ya bub,

http://www.numbersusa.com/content/resources/video/recommend ed/immigration-numbers.html

The burdens states place on themselves should be their own business. That'll never happen so long as people like you are so intolerant of people like me that you insist that decisions about social welfare come from DC instead of our respective state capitols.
CVN65 writes: Friday, November, 28, 2008 9:19 AM
Rachoe/jamesbondi
"Wow do you like platitudes". Wow, do you blather on and on about nothing. I do not know God's will or intentions but, of course, you pull up the "small child dying a horrible death in front of it's mother" cliche. And don't even get me started on the public/private school issue. If you are such a genius why do you cite ONE example as the norm? Ever heard of statistical significance? Your sample size is woefully inadequate. Where I grew up, just outside of Philly, the public school kids that transferred to the local Catholic school were placed back one grade so that they could catch up on everything that they had missed. I will not, however, assume that my experience is the final arbiter of the whole situation. BTW-I have no interest in telling a woman what to do with HER body but I do believe that murdering her child is immoral and illegal.
CVN65 writes: Friday, November, 28, 2008 8:42 AM
Patriotic Liberal
All case law that pertains to issues not delineated in the Constitution should automatically devolve to the states. All powers not specifically assigned to the Federal govt. are the states' by fault. Even emanations and penumbra. Is it not crazy that some right that is neither expressed nor implied (privacy) is taken and expanded upon (liberally) but a right that is put down expressly (2nd amendment) is parsed endlessly? BTW-what the GOP perpetrated in the first six years of this decade was not conservatism-why do you think thay have been getting thumped at the polls? The war? Nope.
CVN65 writes: Friday, November, 28, 2008 8:36 AM
Jean
That should have been the central theme of this thread before the uber-intelligentsia tried to hijack it. Specter has been there too long and worries more about his standing in the Senate than about representing the political views of his constituents. If Toomey runs again I will work for a political campaign for the first time since I was 14.
Patriotic Liberal writes: Friday, November, 28, 2008 8:31 AM
The Plumber
I would like to know why abortion "belongs" to the states. I agree that Roe v. Wade was a bad decision--unwarranted judicial intervention--but if the Congress wants to enact a law ensuring a right to abortions nationwide, I don't know why that would be problematic. After all, if some states do not permit abortions, they will end up being subsidized by those that do. Unwanted children generate a massive social cost.
Jean writes: Friday, November, 28, 2008 7:30 AM
Arlen Spector
Cannot support you on this on...Win or lose, it has to be Pat Toomey...LETS ROLL and fight for conservatism...Lets mount the greatest ideas and draw the voters...not the other way around..move closer and closer to the left so attract, oh my God then who are we. I am thrilled Arlen Spector seems to be surviving his cancer, but just cannot support him...Please unlawful surveilance indeed...
cottoneyed writes: Thursday, November, 27, 2008 4:52 PM
The beginning of wisdom, is fear of the
Lord". We don't hate "smart people", we worship the one who created them.
The Yell writes: Thursday, November, 27, 2008 4:13 PM
There you go again
Hugh, perhaps you forgot 4 years ago when you urged us to promote Specter BECAUSE he was a disloyal liberal jerk who'd switch parties in an instant. "Jeffords, Jeffords, Jeffords" you admonished us. Did that mean anything? Why should you, why should we, be bound to Arlen Specter come hell or high water? No thanks.

Today I can be thankful I am no longer a Republican, so I don't have to let Jamesbondi talk about "our" party. I left it when it got too brilliant to be sincere.

Try not insulting your audience, you center-righters. Try arguing for the best outcome. Try believing some things are the optimum good, without worry about whether it polls well before you start selling it. Somewhere along the line the GOP stopped using marketing to help it persuade and made it the Magic 8 Ball that told them what to think. That's not impressive, and federal elections will consistently go to people who impress.

I have never understood why the center-right constantly argues from corruption--"Yes you think that's right, but this is the REAL WORLD, you have to choose the lesser evil". I think that is what sank Gore and what sank McCain. America demands earnest zeal, and if you can't describe yourself except as the second-worst outcome, step aside!
Nick writes: Thursday, November, 27, 2008 3:46 AM
Hugh you're wrong again
Do I have to remind you that 10 years ago Specter didn't even no what country's senate he was serving in. When he cast his vote in the trial of Bubba the Pervert, he thought he was in Scotland, and voted "not proven". Then Chief Justice Rehnquist had to admonish him to vote either guilty or not guilty, something most of us learn by 6.

What an embarrassment he is. Why you Pennsylvainians didn't punish this joke in '04 I'll never understand.

I do understand that Mr. Santorum was punished in '06 because he campaigned for senator bagpipes '04. Pro-lifers in the state didn't vote for him, pro-lifers across the country didn't send him money.

Hugh is Republican first, conservative second. He and his ilk would say to all of us they are pragmatic and we are dogmatic. You say tomato...

You see, we hardliners don't understand, S-P-E-C-T-E-R is an incumbent, he has name recognition. He is the easiest to get re-elected. Why fight for a conservative and maybe lose, when we can have the status quo? Senator baby killer has an organization. A primary challenge just divides the party.

Better tell that to Governor Palin.
DanNV writes: Wednesday, November, 26, 2008 10:59 PM
Specter
Must be defeated. Period! Support Pat Toomey.
southsider writes: Wednesday, November, 26, 2008 7:12 PM
Sure...run Toomey
Club for Greed (CFG) might have a chance in PA if the economy recovers under Obama. Otherwise, the CFG ideology will resonate with 1% of voters. Toomey is just larouche with a nice suit and a conservative haircut. You can always judge someone by their haircut...right?
expatcdn writes: Wednesday, November, 26, 2008 6:55 PM
Sue, PLumber and Darth
I am learning much from your posts please dont stop now.
Sue writes: Wednesday, November, 26, 2008 6:24 PM
Hate to bring this up
For you "well educated people" that are flashing your degrees at us, I have some sad news for you.
You can thank religion for your big shot degrees.

The Catholic Church STARTED the concept of a "University." The Catholic Church was the center of higher learning in the middle ages. They preserved culture and learning during the time of the barbarians.

People seeking higher learning went to the Church and obtained degrees from them.

Better study history before you tell us how "Stupid" YOU are.

The Plumber writes: Wednesday, November, 26, 2008 6:18 PM
Abortion
That's what its all about for you, isn't it jamesbondi?

Oooh. Those evil religious zealots in the Republican Party have sure made it awful tough for women to have the consequences of irresponsible behavior sucked away like a candy wrapper in a tornado. Abortion isn't my thing, but come on. There's like a 1.5 million abortions per year.

Overturning Roe isn't about abortion for me, it's about bad law and the Tenth Amendment. Overturning Roe doesn't criminalize abortion, it just kicks the issue back to the states.

Exactly where it belongs.
Jamesbondi writes: Wednesday, November, 26, 2008 6:07 PM
No, true conservatism
is not a threat to government.
Jamesbondi writes: Wednesday, November, 26, 2008 5:58 PM
what is conservatism?
it does not include telling women what to do with their bodies.

Ronald Reagan's hero was Goldwater. Goldwater
viewed abortion as a matter of personal choice, not intended for government intervention. He
also saw the religious right's views as an encroachment on personal privacy and individual liberties. He voted consistently in his final term to uphold legalized abortion and, in 1981, gave a speech on how he was angry about the bullying of American politicians by religious organizations, and would "fight them every step of the way."

In a 1994 interview with the Washington Post the retired senator said,

“ When you say "radical right" today, I think of these moneymaking ventures by fellows like Pat Robertson and others who are trying to take the Republican party and make a religious organization out of it telling women what to do with their own bodies. "

that is conservatism. The rest of you want a theocracy. You want to destroy the Constitution. I'm sorry that you hate smart people, but religion is something that people who lack logic and reason use as a crutch, an alibi for not having to take responsibility for your lives. How much easier to say it is god's will.
The Plumber writes: Wednesday, November, 26, 2008 5:57 PM
Darth V
I submit to you that secular humanism and athiesm are religions no less than Christianity and Hinduism.

Government is the sec-hum/athiest church, law (control) is their dogma, bureaucrats and politicians are their ministers.

Since the only thing that differentiates government (their church) from any other institution in a free society is the power to coerce compliance, liberals and their allies prosthletise at the point of a gun.

Conservatives and their allies are a threat to their religion.

The Plumber writes: Wednesday, November, 26, 2008 5:41 PM
PL
Strict adherence to the Constitution? No, we haven't tried conservatism. Not in my lifetime. I'm 41.

Not in my parents' lifetimes either.

Sue writes: Wednesday, November, 26, 2008 5:24 PM
Judmental fools
Reading some of the above posts is quite revealing. Amazing how arrogant some people can be. Woop-de-do, you have a degree....many of us have degrees. Pride comes before the fall.

I wish I had some of the keen insight possessed by the elite "educated" posters. You all have everything in a nice neat package. Religion = morons. People that are religious are dolts, Stupid in your estimation. You are so sure we think the world is only 5 thousand years old, and dinosaurs and man were alive at the same time.

Sorry to burst you bubble, but all of us do not believe what YOU TELL US we believe. You have NO CLUE what our faith teaches. Many of us have different religious beliefs...but we do know right from wrong.

Your arrogance is undeniable....you think you are better then everyone else. Oh, I have a degee, look at me, I am superior. Arrogance....liberal is thy name.

You would do well to study a bit of history...instead of preening yourselves in the mirror. Many many highly educated individuals had firm religious beliefs. Oh..I guess you missed that during you college years. You were probably busy looking at yourself in the bathroom mirror.

Albert Einstein and Isaac Newton had firm religious beliefs. If you would take some time and study the "knuckledragger" Einstein, you would find out he thought only a FOOL could think this world was created by chance. Einstein held religion in high regard.

Sorry to present you with the FACTS.
Darth Vector writes: Wednesday, November, 26, 2008 5:17 PM
jamesbondi you are wrong or ignorant
Secularism/atheism is responsible for far more deaths than religion. I'll take Lenin/Stalin/Mao/Pol Pot/Hitler/Il over whatever you think you can put together, aggregately, in the name of "religion." It isnt even close with all due respect, sir.

In other news, Muslim savages known as the Deccan Muhjahadeen claimed responsibility for the 78 deaths and over 200 injuries in the Bombay bombing today. Meanwhile, Christians are getting ready to have their Thanksgiving meals tomorrow.

And Rachoe, since these two religions are SO SIMILAR, why is it the world awaits what kind of violent nuttiness is going to happen over Ramadan (the Muslim holy month) by Muslims, and yet nobody worries whether Christians are going to incite violence over the birth of Jesus? Oh I remember, because Christianity isn't the religion of death....
vonryansexpress writes: Wednesday, November, 26, 2008 5:12 PM
Eternal life or just life?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/hsn/20081126/hl_hsn/religionmayhelp extendyourlife

Jamesbondi writes: Wednesday, November, 26, 2008 4:54 PM
CVN
wow, you sure like the platitudes.

More people have been killed in the name of religion, including Christianity, than in most wars.

You are not the arbiter of sin. You cannot tell me that God allows a small child to die a horrible death in front of his mother as 'god's will'. What nonsense, said by people who are so fearful of life and the unknown that they make excuses for their failures and for evil horrible events as being 'god's will'. Balderdash.

The more educated people become, the less gullible they are. Hence, the nonsense spewed by the Dobsons and Haggards and Falwells is rejected by people who have been taught to reason, to think. I had a friend whose daughter was educated exclusively in Baptist day schools. Straight As. When they moved, she had to go to the local public high school. She almost flunked out the first semester. She had never been taught to think or reason in her religiously based school. She couldn't write an essay with a hypothesis, argument, conclusion, because the Baptists always told her what the conclusion should be. No doubt. God's will.
CVN65 writes: Wednesday, November, 26, 2008 4:36 PM
Rachoe
Wow, where to start? Right off you prove my previous point that highly educated people often develop such high opinions of themselves that they can understand the will of the Lord. Do I understand why some people suffer and die at young ages? No. But I don't claim to know that they died prematurely or unnecessarily. I just don't understand God's plan. Christ would not have called himself a Christian any more than Marx referred to himself as a Marxist. Christians are not desirous of the destruction of Israel; some believe that it will happen as a precursor to something or other. Can you see the difference? Christians neither fear nor hate gays, in fact, we have seen much more hate going in the opposite direction lately, have we not? Christians hate the sin but not the sinner. The proof is that they will pray for someone to be taken into God's love but seeing their sin for what it is. Simply amazing that someone as brilliant as you purport to be can refer to my praying for someone (the greatest act of love a Christian can conceive) as hate. We don't hide behind "God's will". We try to follow the teachings of Christ; if that runs us afoul of whatever depravity popular culture is enamored with, so be it. I am not perfect but I ask God to help me to be the man that he wants me to be.
Darth Vector writes: Wednesday, November, 26, 2008 4:36 PM
Rachoe
The more education anyone gets, the more secularized they become by definition, unless the education one receives is in divinity school or something. Secularism is at odds with religion--that should answer your question. I've never understood the "well, really smart people don't believe it so why should I?" argument anyway. Is there any correlation between knowledge and wisdom? Knowledge without wisdom is still foolishness. Some of the smartest people in history have also been responsible for putting forth some of the dumbest ideals. It was the educated elites of German culture that fell for the seductive rhetoric of Hitler after the Weimar Republic fell. In contemporary American society, only the highly educated believe that blacks and whites are inherently different (look at the genesis of the "diversity movement" on the college campuses) and that men and women are basically the same. Just your equating of Islam with Christianity only further proves my point. You claim to be highly educated but are ignorant of the two biggest religions on earth. When Christians start blowing up themselves, airplanes, buildings, dance clubs, pizza parlors and Jews in the name of "peace" then I will cede the religions may have something in common. Untile then, dear, they only share Abrahamic roots and little else...
Patriotic Liberal writes: Wednesday, November, 26, 2008 4:30 PM
The Plumber
You remind me of some elements of the Left as the welfare liberalism consensus was collapsing in the late 1970s. Some folks acknowledged the role inefficient government spending played in the stagflation and economic sluggishness of that era. Others, though, thought that the problem was that the Democrats were not liberal enough, that if the Democrats only increased public sector involvement in the economy, Americans would come around.

You are like that. America knows all too well what this generation calls "conservatism." America bought into it for awhile. America does not buy it any more. You sold it. We used it. and it does not work. We are not going to buy more of it. You are going to have to change your product. And don't try to flimflam us into thinking we have not tried your product. We have. You say we have not tried conservatism? Our lying eyes tell us that we have..
The Plumber writes: Wednesday, November, 26, 2008 4:25 PM
Rachoe
Many of the Founders had a rather dim view of organized religion, but all professed a belief in God. Do you know why that is?

Have you ever read Locke's First Treatise?

Have you ever read the Koran?
The Plumber writes: Wednesday, November, 26, 2008 4:16 PM
CVN65
Lead and oakum? Boy! You're sure dating yourself. Its been over a decade since I used oakum.

The Plumber writes: Wednesday, November, 26, 2008 4:11 PM
JamesBondi
"You and others can ignore Kathleen Parker and others like her, but she is simply being truthful. When you lose the Philly suburbs the way McCain did, where the base is really not strong, you need to retool your 'brand'."

I agree, the GOP needs to retool their brand. The GOP needs to govern as conservatives instead of liberals. When we paid attention to the likes of Parker, we ended up with nominees like McCain, Bush, and Dole. Conservatives have been holding their noses and voting for liberals for decades. That needs to stop once and for all.

Parker can go pound sand.
CVN65 writes: Wednesday, November, 26, 2008 3:37 PM
Rachoe
The reason that people seem to need religion less as they go higher on the educational ladder is that they become full of themselves. Once they lose humility they begin to worship themselves or money or power, anything but their Creator. Do I believe the Earth is 5,000 years old and God put the dinosaur bones in the ground like some cosmic treasure hunt? Of course not. Do I believe in evolution? Somewhat, in a general way but there have been some new wrinkles added over the years by some great scientific minds. Did Darwin ever claim to know how life started? May I ask what professional degree you hold?
Virginia Patriot writes: Wednesday, November, 26, 2008 3:35 PM
"Not To Be Trusted"
Hugh Hewitt, he's wrong about everything.
dirLie writes: Wednesday, November, 26, 2008 3:27 PM
Specter is even more of an RHINO
than SAXBY ShameUs is, but the real Rhino in the Room is Hugh. Does anyone here still believe that Hugh Hewitt is a conservative? In fact my money is that he is a liberal plant. I truly wonder what goes down when Hewitt goes in the booth and the Curtain goes down. I suspect a straight party ticket and not a republican one either.

dirL
CVN65 writes: Wednesday, November, 26, 2008 3:26 PM
Moral equivalency
Sorry, Rachoe with the professional degree, but Christians and Muslims are very different. Christianity is based on freedom and love and is not spread by force. We do not seek the subjugation of others or the creation of an underclass of non-believers. I did not call religious folk "knuckledraggers"; I was responding to multiple posts by jamesbondi. Many people in this country are stupid, some are just ignorant. This is on the left, right, center and in every country on earth. "Rabidly religious" is a very charged term, by the way. One either follows the tenets of their religion or does not; some are easier to adhere to than others. Islam does not fit into the Judeo-Christian view of what a religion is-peaceful and preaching love and tolerance.
J writes: Wednesday, November, 26, 2008 3:16 PM
Fundys
"And what makes American holy roller fundamental, speaking in tongues, Christians at all different from the fundamentalist Muslims? "

I don't know? The suicide bombings?

CVN65 writes: Wednesday, November, 26, 2008 2:51 PM
Plumber
You nailed it. Or is it lead-and-okumed it? This is what McCain and the GOP elites never got; if you don't have the base, you don't have your workers to move your campaign forward. Moderates may vote for you (or may not) but they will not get out there and do the things that a successful campaign needs.
CVN65 writes: Wednesday, November, 26, 2008 2:47 PM
Jamesbondi
So what is it? Are you highly educated and left of center or are you a dumb-as-a-stump right-winger? You have now asserted the generally outstanding intelligence and education of yourself and those that think as you do but you have not yet told us knuckledraggers about your educational level. Let's hear it-you're so smart and nobody will think that you are bragging.
Jamesbondi writes: Wednesday, November, 26, 2008 2:37 PM
have your base
ride it to defeat again and again. The country, for the foreseeable future, is not interested in 'social issues', like abortion or gay marriage, or even illegal immigration. So long as the GOP feels the need to feed red meat like that to keep its rather intolerant and judgmental 'base' in check, it pushes the people the GOP needs to win over in order to win elections.

If you are a purist, then you can read up on what happened to the Whigs. Most Americans do not want Roe overturned. Most Americans do not want massive deportation. And most Americans want equal rights enforced. Most Americans are not particularly religious--they may go to church, but if you look at the children they raise (Levi and Bristol, i.e.) the teachings of Christ are really not getting through.

You and others can ignore Kathleen Parker and others like her, but she is simply being truthful. When you lose the Philly suburbs the way McCain did, where the base is really not strong, you need to retool your 'brand'.
The Plumber writes: Wednesday, November, 26, 2008 2:27 PM
JamesBondi
Without a base, the whole house crumbles. Moderates don't donate to any party, nor do they walk precincts and stuff envelopes. The base never supported McCain. The base has been withholding money from the GOP for a few years now. Heck, I sent the GOP "Bush Peso's" in their last fund-raising plea.

Government has no role in social issues? It'd be easier for you to tell me what issues AREN'T "social issues" than for you to tell me which ones are. Nearly every damned issue is a social issue. Egads.
Jamesbondi writes: Wednesday, November, 26, 2008 2:23 PM
1975?
Ford was president. He was hardly a leftie, though he wasn't beholden to the far right of the GOP, that is indeed true.

You haven't commented at all about Prop 6 either, which leads me to think that you don't understand the true nature of a leader like Ronald Reagan. He didn't cowtow to groups, he led them, unlike the current GOP 'leadership'. Obama is doing the same thing--keeping Gates, Hillary as secty of state, these are the acts of a leader, someone who shows the way, rather than asking permission to lead. That was Ronald Reagan, not the charicature that people like Rush or Bennett or Hugh would have you think he was. A LEADER, unafraid to make difficult decisions.

I do believe that most highly educated people are center to center left. It is difficult to believe in a literal bible if you have actually been a serious student of science and history.
CVN65 writes: Wednesday, November, 26, 2008 2:09 PM
Jamesbondi
Well, let's hear it, Mr. Big-City Brainiac-what is your highest educational level? You keep positing that those of us that are religious or live outside of the cities are stupid and gullible, you must have several advanced degrees or have been awarded Fulbright and Howard Hughes grants or the equivalents. And, by the way, it isn't 1975 but the old saying about 'history repeating itself' applies. It is the same exact situation and the party is reeling from a leftward lurch and a subsequent loss.
Jamesbondi writes: Wednesday, November, 26, 2008 1:58 PM
the far right religious folks
are not smart enough (except for people who 'lead' them, like Rick Warren or Dobson, who laugh all the way to the bank at how gullible uneducated religious types are) to understand what fiscal conservatism is. They really care only about finacial issues when it involves abortion--i.e. no federal or state funding.

So long as the GOP is tethered to that bunch, enjoy walking in the wilderness. The educated, urban GOP members might pander to that bunch for $$$ and votes, but they go home at night and laugh at you. They know to lead this country, they need to appeal to non-doctrinaire people, esp. in the middle, who think government has no place involved in social issues.

By nominating Palin to satisfy the base, McCain lost the middle. By losing the middle, you on the right assured Roe v. Wade will remain the law of the land for decades.
Jamesbondi writes: Wednesday, November, 26, 2008 1:55 PM
This isn't 1975. Reagan
was a true practical, rational man. That was his basic greatness, he didn't force things on people. And he was a LEADER. Surely you don't think he would let Mrs. Reagan endorse embryonic stem cell research without agreeing with her. Actually, she would have convinced him it is the right thing to do. And you ignored Prop 6.
The Plumber writes: Wednesday, November, 26, 2008 1:49 PM
JamesBondi
So the far right religious nuts who picked McCain, Bush, Specter, Martinez, McConnell, Hastert, and Boehner and then made them the GOP aristocracy AREN'T fiscal conservatives?

You should exhale before commenting.
CVN65 writes: Wednesday, November, 26, 2008 1:46 PM
Jamesbondi
Google "Ronald Reagan, CPAC, 1975" People just like you were trying to push the party to the center and Dutch articulated the need to do just the opposite. People want conservative governance; what the GOP has been doing is Dem-lite. This is the reason they got tossed out. Santorum lost because he had a bullseye on his back. Please define "radical" Catholic. Is that any Catholic that actually follows the edicts of their religion, adapting their life to what God demands instead of demanding that God adapt to their modern lifestyle?
CVN65 writes: Wednesday, November, 26, 2008 1:42 PM
Jamesbondi
Not judgmental, just willing to tell the truth. Specter should run as an independent or a democrat. Not fearful, just want to have my elected officials believe in something besides perpetual reelection. Not undereducated, willing to bet money that I have gone further in my education than you have in yours. Put your money where your mouth is. Principles are worth standing up for; the GOP hated Santorum as much as the dems do-nobody likes an honest man these days.
Jamesbondi writes: Wednesday, November, 26, 2008 1:41 PM
Oh, let it be Santorum!
Did you see the solid blue in and around Philly in that last election? And you think that Santorum, a radical Catholic who brings home still born babies, is electable? Wasn't his loss to Casey enough?

But, keep giving that silly advice so the Dems will be in charge for the rest of this century.
jtb-in-texas writes: Wednesday, November, 26, 2008 1:38 PM
Hugh, your support of Specter marks you
as unreliable...
Sue writes: Wednesday, November, 26, 2008 1:37 PM
NOT THIS TIME!!
Sorry Phillyfanatic...while I see your point, I doubt people will vote for Specter on the "lesser of two evils" theory. We all see where that just got us in the presidential election.

No..either the Republicans put up a real Republican, or they can kiss many votes goodbye. We have had it with these imposters. I personally would like to see Santorum give it a try again.

But I can say without hesitation...I will NOT vote for Specter UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES. NONE!!
I am done with these imposters....they vote like Democrats, but when the bills they vote for crash and burn..the Republicans get the blame. Not this time..NO WAY

If some of these stupid bills crash and burn..then let the Democrats that want them get the credit. These Rinos muddy the waters. People think Republicans support these bills because these Rinos go along with them.

No...not this time. Let the Dems stand on their own pile of B.S.
Jamesbondi writes: Wednesday, November, 26, 2008 1:18 PM
CVN65
Please keep nominating people the 'base' adores..Santorum (bringing a still born baby home, not too creepy that, eh?), Palin, Huckabee.
That will assure Dems in control of everything for decades. You in the 'base' are not conservatives, you are judgmental, generally undereducated fearful people.
Gary writes: Wednesday, November, 26, 2008 1:13 PM
Liveblogging the Hearing
I liveblogged the Canvassing Board's hearing. Here's the link to it:

http://www.letfreedomringblog.com/?p=3414
CVN65 writes: Wednesday, November, 26, 2008 1:13 PM
Jamesbondi
Are you serious? Specter is an embarrassment and is the poster boy for everything wrong with the GOP in Pennsylvania. Santorum did one thing wrong-he endorsed this jerk over Pat Toomey. I imagine that he made some sort of deal which Specter and the GOP reneged on. They let him drift on his own with little support. I hope Toomey runs again and we finally toss Specter onto the trash heap. Hewitt is a smacked @ss for suggesting the party move to the left. Of course the national GOP and their sycophants want to keep Toomey at the state level- right now he can act nationally and if he gets into the Senate, he can push for reform nationally. They hate it when the idiot base selects anyone but "their guy".
Jamesbondi writes: Wednesday, November, 26, 2008 1:10 PM
what would Reagan's message be in
2008? It would likely be vote no on Prop 8 (google Prop 6 and Reagan's point of view). It would likely be to pull troops out of Iraq (google Lebanon). It would likely be to fund embryonic stem cell research (Nancy Reagan had his ear, his heart and would have won him over on this point). Reagan believed in small government--no current GOP person really believes in that. Reagan would have been appalled at the way the far right religious faction has bastardized his great party. Reagan lived in THIS world, not just marking time like so many of you do waiting for the afterlife. Reagan was a compassionate man. The current crop of "conservatives" would have disappointed him tremendously.
Patriotic Liberal writes: Wednesday, November, 26, 2008 1:09 PM
interesting post at WashingtonMonthly
about Kathleen Parker article about Dobson. Dobson fired back with a column about how he will not be silenced. Answer is that Parker is not arguing that Dobson should be silenced--only that Dobson should not be listened to.

Its hard to believe you guys are about to squander away PA, but that's what happens when you turn the Reep coalition over the clowns like Dobson. It just alienates the bejesus out of right-thinking Americans.
rackoons writes: Wednesday, November, 26, 2008 1:05 PM
Arlen over Chris any day
Look, Pubs need to realize that if Norm and Saxby lose, there will be no coming back in the next election cycle. Pubs have way more seats to defend than Dems in 2010 ; 1n '12. Arlen is a RINO, sure but not a nutty leftist like Chris. Unless the Pubs regain some seats, they can stew in their losing positions till the cows come home. Conservs will have to find candidates who not only stand for something but can communicate it to the wussy voters without scaring them to death. The Pubs have a good bench. Now start now to put out their Reaganesque message and elect Pubs who are Center too just to get back in the game. If not, mewing and whining will go on till all of us assume room temperature.
Col Bat Guano writes: Wednesday, November, 26, 2008 12:48 PM
VonRyans Express
In what Universe is Mathews likable you ask? Pennsylvania is what universe with Minne-so-cold running a close second in thinking the likes of Jesse Ventura or Al Franken would/will be anything more then the embarrassment(s) they were/would be. The universe that returned a blowhard like Jack Murtha to office. The same guy that called the western half of his state racist. Only in Pennsylvania. It would only be funnier if this story was about Keith Olbermann vs. Mathews.
Jamesbondi writes: Wednesday, November, 26, 2008 12:21 PM
Spector
will lose to Matthews. Rendell is a very powerful person, and the selection of Palin turned off many GOP men in PA. Just like Santorum did. End of the GOP in PA in 2010.
Dennis writes: Wednesday, November, 26, 2008 12:15 PM
2010
Specter won the nomination in 2004 only because he had the endorsements of both President Bush and Senator Santorum. I suspect this had a lot to do with Specter's seat on the Judiciary Committee and the prospect of imminent Supreme Court appointments. Specter's behavior during the subsequent confirmation hearings tends to support this view since he had to back down from his early statements regarding the judicial temperament he would support. If nothing else Senator Specter does uphold his end of a deal.

There is little doubt that he will again get the endorsement of the President and Pennsylvania's junior Senator in the 2010 primary but the impact of such an endorsement will obviously not carry the weight of the 2004 endorsements. Should Pat Toomey again challenge Specter in 2010 he will most certainly win. Toomey is smart, well organized, well liked, a good fund raiser and much more in tune with the base.
vonryansexpress writes: Wednesday, November, 26, 2008 12:15 PM
Chris Matthews "likable"
In what universe?

Mr. Matthews is as embracing as malaria. His snide, side of mouth displays of base partisanship have become his market brand. It's not that he's got a political view that disparages his performance on the airwaves, it's that he's so smarmy with his last word attempts to ridicule an interviewee. Mr. Matthews is scarcely one to inspire or lead; he’s neither alpha nor sincere enough.

Sen. Spector is not Mr. Orthodox but a run against Mr. Matthews should be his best outing to date among faithful Republican voters.
Darth Vector writes: Wednesday, November, 26, 2008 12:13 PM
Sad Hugh, sad
You are still going to throw your support behind a liberal like Specter. I thought you'd figure out the lesson of 2008 but it appears you have learned nothing. Hopefully the Republican leadership (if that isn't an oxymoron) won't get behind guys like Specter. If these RINO's keep getting elected into office what reason will they ever have to change their stripes?

The Plumber writes: Wednesday, November, 26, 2008 11:31 AM
Arlen Specter for Senate?
Nah. He needs to start looking to become the GOP POTUS nominee in 2012. Afterall, only liberal Republicans can win the General Election, he's not too young, and he's already got the endorsement of the NYT, WaPo, Kathleen Parker, George Will, Slate, Daily Kos,.....
Virginia Patriot writes: Wednesday, November, 26, 2008 10:28 AM
Guaranteeing Defeat
Running Specter again shows how Stupid the Stupid Party is. Amnesty will be the death of the GOP.

GOP-RIP
Sue writes: Wednesday, November, 26, 2008 10:11 AM
Arlen Specter ..NO WAY!!
I have been waiting for some time to vote AGAINST
Arlen Spector! If Specter thinks he is going to just waltz into office again he is mistaken!

Specter is NO REPUBLICAN, and has proven it time after time. Specter has gone out of his way to stab Rebublicans in the back! With Specter in office there is NO REPUBLICAN representing Pennsylvania in the Senate. It is the same as having 2 Democrat Senators. We have not forgotten his votes against us...most especially his vote embracing ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION!

If I have to crawl over ground glass to get to the voting booth I will do it....so I can vote against this traitor.

Specter is DETESTED by MANY Republicans in Pennsylvania. He has pulled his sh** too many times. Many many of us are on to him... and we have just been waiting for our chance to vote against him.

Gary writes: Wednesday, November, 26, 2008 9:54 AM
Franken's Attention Turning
Franken's attention is turning to rejected absentee ballots.

http://www.letfreedomringblog.com/?p=3413

Ballots will decide this election, not partisans:

http://www.letfreedomringblog.com/?p=3412
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