So what have we learned in 2 millennia?
"The budget should be balanced, the Treasury should be refilled, public debt should be reduced, the arrogance of officialdom should be tempered and controlled, and the assistance to foreign lands should be curtailed lest Rome become bankrupt. People must again learn to work, instead of living on public assistance."
Cicero - 55 BC
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You know that Bush started with a Surplus of 150 Billion right?
You also know that there was a republican control for the first 4 years right?
I am tired of hearing about the tax and spend liberals, seems to me that a bunch of republicans got us into this mess.
Seems to me that you should take a long and hard look at how this really happened instead of listening to fear mongers like this one. You republicans got us into this mess by allowing the fox to gaurd the henhouse. (for you simple people that means no regulations for wall street)
That is what no government got us. A bunch of Greedy people who cared more about the almighty dollar instead of their fellow man. Although that seems to be the republican mantra MONEY FOR ME |
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It's a full out fleecing of the taxpayer. How is this Constitutional? What have we been paying our state taxes for?
Congress allocated $70 million to build some sort of visitor building near the capitol, it ended up costing approx $700 million. The state of the art Staples Center where the Lakers play cost $250 million.
The democrats are about to do some serious damage. |
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Tax Cuts to Make Work Pay and Create Jobs: We will provide direct tax relief to 95 percent of American workers, and spur investment and job growth for American Businesses. [marked up by the Ways and Means Committee]
So what is it? Whats the rate? Whats the qualifying income? This says absolutly nothing!
It means absolutly nothing! |
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in one fell swoop is going to out spent Bush and I didn't think that possible. |
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Obama will now have an excuse to spend even more than his Democratic predecessors -- he'll just say it's the economy. SO, WHAT'S A COUPLE BILLION OR TRILLION?? FORGET A FEW MILLION DOLLARS NOW. Obama and the Democrats will continue to deceive the American people so they can continue on their tax-and-spend agenda. That's no "change" at all. |
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"Since when do we pay for the leisure and entertainment of others? ... You "really" want to buy a new TV?"
The government isn't paying for television sets, it's paying for converters so that people can continue to use their old analog televisions, don't have to buy new ones when broadcasters convert to digital.
The conversion frees up large amounts of spectrum space, some of which goes to the Department of Defense and first responders like police and firemen, to improve their communications. Other parts will be sold to cell phone companies and the like, for substantially more money than the cost of the converters. (Not, however, for a much money as they could get; the government is much too generous to those companies.)
You really should learn what a program actually is before you rant about it. |
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-$650 million to continue the coupon program to enable American households to convert from analog television transmission to digital transmission.
What the heck is this? Since when do we pay for the leisure and entertainment of others? Who cares about a freakin' television? Since when is that important when raising a family? You can still watch educational DVDs on your analog television if you are in to that sort of thing.
You "really" want to buy a new TV? Just sell some of your other stuff on eBay and buy your TV from someone else on eBay. Heck, I just got a bid on my house on eBay! We close in a few weeks.
Government, please, for the love of GOD, leave us alone! Let us succeed when we make good decisions. Let us fail when we make poor decisions. Let us learn from those poor decisions to make better ones and succeed. Stop penalizing our success and stop HOLDING OUR HANDS when we fail! We don't need you! Honest. Stop trying to make life easier for us. That is our job as citizens, not yours. Just keep us safe from foreign and domestic terror and stay out of my wallet and out of my home! |
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Please tell me this "list" is a joke! If it is not, then I / we are doomed! We will have a revolution and the barter system may come back in force! |
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$350 billion--into the pockets of my banker friends and the banker friends of my cronies
$650 billion+--wage war on countries which have not attacked us and are unable to retaliate in any way
These goddamn social programs are gonna screw everything up! Why take a chance spending money on helping communities here when we can get guaranteed good results by destroying communities everywhere else?? |
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Obama is continuing the madcap spending started by Bush. In four years, Republicans had better have an answer. History will look back at this and see this stimulus package as a key part of the Bush/Obama Regime. No change to believe in. |
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"Those who would apply such a litmus test, I suppose, have become quaint."
Not "quaint" so much as "objects of derision and scorn."
You should all be thankful that we have Obama, just in time to fix Bush's Depression. |
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...and it's unbelievable.
This country is descending into madness. Pure madness. |
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We are so screwed ,Hello 1930's, thanks obama. |
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That all the left-minded COW supporters do not comment here when shown exactly what the 'earmarks' of the bailout suggest? Absolutely sickening.
It has hardly anything to do with what is necessary. It the economic status is so bad, we do not need to give money to gov't sponsored crap. It needs to go to the PEOPLE!
This effing bill is all about Global Bullshitt. |
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A quick review of that spending list reveals not a single item authorized by our Constitution. Those who would apply such a litmus test, I suppose, have become quaint. |
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perhaps you should have sent that message to Bush three months ago?
You are a day late and a dollar short. |
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... it has been tried, every time it has been given a new "makeover" and a flashy new name. This time will be no different.
To put it in perspective, would you cut off your arm because you got a papercut? Would you get out of a hole by digging yourself deeper? Would you eat even more food because you're full?
The same counter-intuitive logic goes into the socialist style of thinking. |
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When I was young, I lived in fear of bringing home a bad report card. If we are to get accountability in gov., we need to develop an economic report card to be seen on Town Hall and other sites,plus run in local newspapers with a picture of Reid/Pelosi with the local congressman, showing 3 columns. a)2006 b)Nov. 2008 c)current. Underneath,show 1)price of a gallon of gas 2)Dow Jones ave. 3)inflation rate 4)unemployment rate 5)deficit. If we ran these weekly(hear this Republicans), esp. in Blue Dog and competitive districts, we could make them sweat and limit the spin. We need to set the tone for the next 4 yrs. Be aggressive. |
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is a thing of the past:
"This change [in House Rules will block] Republican efforts to strike tax increases in various legislation or offer tax reduction amendments that are not “paid for” with tax increases."
Representative democracy is dead. We have no input because it has been usurped by the Democrats under the Obama fraud.
~"H.Res. 5
Adopting the Rules of the House of Representatives for the One Hundred Eleventh Congress |
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I'll keep it short-time for you to make new tin foil hat. Those pestky voices in your head must be getting louder. |
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This stimulus package would seem to be an opportunity for Pubs to press for some reforms in government spending. The government is run for the benefit of the government not the citizenry. Dispite the widespread unemployment with millions out of work the priviliged classes Congress and federal workers got a raise as a part of the bailout bill.Next to come will be massive bailouts of the blue states which also seem to be run for the benefit of the tax users instead of the taxpayers. Our Congressmen have built a wall around themselves to keep us away. Where is the mechanism for citizen input? |
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Frank, it appears that your shoe laces are tied together and it is interfering with your ability to walk, think, and write.
Change we cannot believe in:
"H.Res. 5
Adopting the Rules of the House of Representatives for the One Hundred Eleventh Congress
January 6, 2009
Motions to Recommit: Limits the Minority’s ability to offer motions to recommit to those with instructions to report back “forthwith”, e.g. those that if adopted will amend the bill immediately without the bill leaving the House floor. This rule change will bar Republicans from offering motions with instructions to report back “promptly,” and thereby send the bill back to committee to make a particular change if adopted. This change will force all motions to recommit to comply with the Democrat PAYGO rules, thus blocking Republican efforts to strike tax increases in various legislation or offer tax reduction amendments that are not “paid for” with tax increases."
The tax and spend Democratic juggernaut is coming down the track on rubber wheels.
Surprised by the new tone of the Democratic dictatorship in Washington? Obama is a fraud. |
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Just sit back and watch Obama's $1T Keynesian plan fail! |
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bush spent billions to try to protect us all from terrorist, and the dems yelled every inch of the way, and now we get taken to the cleaners by a congress that is made up of socialist who take from those who earn and give to those who refuse to.Spend our money on CRAPOLA, and thats what that list is.But then its no surprise since thats what kind of senators the left provide us with. |
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I knew the moment Bush started Bailing out wall street that if the GOP lost-which it did and badly-the liberals would have a blank check to fund whatever liberal cause they want with our tax dollars.
Now social conservatives are going to stamp their feet and run around in anger when they didn't do a shred of action when the time came eign in the compassionate conservative POTUS. All the GOP congressmen and senators who voted for the bill opened the door to this stimulous. Yiu can criticize Obama all you want for the christmas tree aspect of it but the bottom line you need look no further than Bush; the bush legacy is quasi socialism, it ain't Obama's- so quit yer whining and find a meaningful way to get some GOP imprint on it before things really go. |
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