Wednesday, January 16, 2008
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McCain: ANWR Is Like Grand Canyon, Everglades
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Posted by:
Hugh Hewitt at
4:43 PM
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Jim Geraghty recounts a blogger conference call with Senator McCain today which includes this head-shaker:
As far as ANWR is concerned, I don’t want to drill in the Grand Canyon, and I don’t want to drill in the Everglades. This is one of the most pristine and beautiful parts of the world.
So every Republican who supports exploration in ANWR is the same as a despoiler of the Everglades and the Grand Canyon? Now you know why so many Republicans refuse to support the McCain candidacy. It isn't enough for the Arizona maverick to be an environmentalist, he has to condemn all Republicans, Independents and Democrats who disagree with him on the need to explore ANWR as enemies of the most beautiful places in America.
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McCain (as well as MILLIONS of Americans) are so completely uninformed about what would be involved in drilling for oil in ANWR that it is scary!
ANWR is 19,049,236 acres. The proposed drilling area is only 2,000 acres. That's 0.01% of ANWR.
Look at it this way... Take $100.00 in pennies. Lay them out as 100 rows with 100 pennies per row. THAT represents the 100% of the ANWR arces. NOW, we're talking about 1/100th of 1%, so that's ONE (and ONLY ONE) of the pennies which represents the area in which drilling would take place.
Is THAT really too much to "sacrifice" for domestic oil supply, or should we just go on giving our money to Hugo Chavez and Middle Eastern countries? |
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I never said the republican party would "welcome" JFK if he were alive today. My point is the democrat party has moved away from him on 3 very critical issues; Big government, strong military, fiscal spending. YOU CARE NOT to address this.
So be it.
Your party turned from Joe Lieberman, his words, not mine.
This does not bring about a self assessing for you. So be it. |
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your liberal heart-focused commentary is predictable.
#1.) Show me where I said ONCE that I'd rather, "...support some guy who'll say anything he thinks you want to hear (your words---i am only left to surmise you are inferring to Romney)."
I've only stated in several places that I have made no decision yet, as to who I'd support. My state primaries are far away. In Hugh's post the day after Romney won Michigan, I congratulated Hugh and others who are supporters of Mitt.
#2.) I then sent another post on the same thread stating how sad I was regarding his promises to Michiganders. Look it up!
LaboriousLawyer----show me where you challenged Bill Clinton when he persistently held his finger in the air to see which way the polls directed nearly every move he made. No one made more promises than your man, Bill Clinton. I STILL LAUGH while recalling his second innaugural address in January 1997---I think he made 237 promises, some grossly conflicting with others.
#3.) Show me ONCE where I said I HATE John McCain? Such a strong word, HATE, Mr. Lawyer. And how presumptive of you. I'll bet you are third-rate at "leading" your witnesses, should you ever have occasion to direct arguments in a court room. I have said several times I respect John McCain. Do I support him---NOPE. But I've neither supported anything you have said on these threads----Grounds for hating you?---perhaps in your little world; not mine.
Life is far too short. I save such deep emotion for disagreeable BEHAVIORS by family and friends.
Well, I have pointed out 3 gross misrepresentations of yours. Case closed.
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So you think JFK would be welcome as a Republican? The same JFK who raised the minimum wage, put a union lawyer (Arthur Goldberg) on the Supreme Court, fought to establish Medicare- the second biggest expansion of federal entitlements in the history of the country-, thought church and state should be kept so separate that no government money should ever go to a religious private school (i.e., would have opposed vouchers).....I could go on....
Anyway, my point was that all the McCain-bshing shows just how conformist the "conservative base" has become. You'd rather support some guy who'll say anything he thinks you want to hear.
On that subject- what do you small-government types hink about throwing billions of federal dollars at the auto industry. Seems pretty anti-small governmet to me. Or maybe you figure that's just a thing he said to get elected and he really doesn't mean it. Nod, nod, wink wing, we really put one over on those rubes in Michigan.
But then, how can you believe anything the guy says? And how is it that you hate McCain but lve the much-more-liberal Lieberman? You're right, I just don't "get it".
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http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/ele ction_20082/2008_presidential_election/election_2008_romney _vs_clinton_and_obama
Okay, here is a poll for you to cheer about...or Not. Hmmm, I am sure Maddam President will be much more sympathetic to your arguments.
As for ANWR, I am proposing doing the exploration drilling to find out what is there. Then we can make an informed decision. What is wrong with that? The oil companies have some guesses, but do not know. No one really knows. Because no one has drilled there. Stop insulting me and saying I am some Luddite. I am not. While I have not been to ANWR, I have been to Prudhoe and I have seen unspoiled Tundra in Alaska in comparison. There are a hell of a lot of mosquitos but that does not mean we should trash it for no reason.
If there is as much oil as claimed, well we weight the costs and benefits and start drilling and eventually pumping.
I also would not take the bus. I would ride my bike in lieu of the car. |
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Oh BTW,
John McCain says that our soldiers are using torture to prosecute this War on Terror. He also says that Terrorist Prisoners should receive DUE PROCESS in court. You voters and military people in South Carolina, just what do you think about that? |
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The real Conservatives will step up and take back from the liberals their right to select the Republican nominee.... Then, McCain will be sent back to Washington to once again embrace his Liberal friends and harrass more Conservative causes........ and Huckleberry will be sent back to preach and support more taxes in Arkansas so that we can relocate those spoiled Guantonomo prisoners to American soil.
It would be nice if that would start to happen in South Carolina this Saturday.... but I don't hold out alot of hope....
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is somehow waiting at home, twiddling his fingers, waiting for laborlawyer to "forgive" him.
you don't get it schmoe, he don't want you no mo'.
You're the one who dissed him.
It is your party that has turned away from him.
John F. Kennedy would also belong to the "dark side" repub party, if he were alive today. his were policies more aligned with, STRONG MILITARY, SMALL GOVERNMENT, LOWER TAXES.
Yeah, I know, it's too challenging for you to understand. All of those big university campuses which kicked R.O.T.C. off campus back in the 1970's. Harvard U. continue to lead that proud tradition. I guess you showed them guys, did'nt you laborlawyer?
Once again, Joe Lieberman 'aint looking for your forgiveness---that's further reason for just how much you don't get it. |
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You've been out in the sun a bit too long.
I said that Carl Pope and his ilk are complicit---never said Mr. Pope-Dope pulled the trigger, or, started the car in that garage where the logger asphixiated himself. Nor would I ever expect Pope-Dope to be accountable enough to take any responsibility fo what his enviro-nuts caused---blame which rests SQUARELY on the enviro-nuts shoulders.
If you do not think the Pac Northwest logging industry evaporated for the reasons caused by the POPE DOPE, your whacked.
1.) Enviros call for complete halt to logging to save the spotted owl.
2.) The entire industry vaporizes.
3.) Real people, with real families, who cut down the trees which are deemed "off-limits", who make their entire living as "loggers" lose their livelihoods---with the snap of a finger. A few are unable to find new jobs in the whirlwind, unable to cope and end their life.
4.) It is found as FACT a few short years later that the spotted owl was eliminated by introduction of the barred owl. NO relation to logging.
5.) Carl Pope: "Who me? No harm no foul. Those loggers were lowlifes anyway. They should not have been cutting down all of those beautiful living organisms anyway."
summary: Hmmmmm, let's see, if the enviro-nuts had not entered the scene----it would still be operating as usual. The housing boom in late 1990's and early this decade saw CANADA fill that "lumber void" the enviro-nuts created in northwest USA. No biggie-----more lost jobs to outside countries-----at least they did not go to China.
Yeah, I hear you, Carl Pope had literally nothing to do with that scenario as it played out. Gotcha! ;)
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There is really no reason to not drill. No technical or scientific reason, that is, but much emotional justification to not drill.
I avoid arguing the issue. My kids and grandkids will need oil, too, and that is one place that we know will be available, if we don't drill now, or even in the next four years. Lets drill now. Or lets wait till later... Not worth arguing too hard. A prohibition on drilling will only last as long as the cost and availability of alternatives is endurable. Not one day longer. |
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There are some things that are so simple to me I have to wonder what happens to politicians who have been in Washington for a long time. This is one. I want the US to get off of all foreign energy sources. That means Oil drilling, getting oil from shell, firing all those Texas/Louisiana wells back up, building refineries and most importantly; Every State should be required to have the necessary number of Nuclear power plants to supply their own power. McCain is just wrong on this period. I want leaders with open minds on energy and environmental issues, not closed minded, hacked by the environmentalist, old style thinking. All this mess is very correctable but we need to start now so we are somewhere 10 years down the road and not beholden to Middle Eastern countries and Venezuela for our oil.
McCain is also wrong on immigration, Common sense says build the wall, enforce the law, heavily fine companies who use illegals (including you there getting your lawn cut, hey it's Mittens) and watch them self deport. Just common sense. No Z visa nonsense. Go to the back of the line, do not pass go and do not collect $200
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Okay, so all of us in the so-called "base" agree that we should drill in ANWR. So when is Mitt going to give a speech demanding that we do it? When is he going to tell the "base" in Nevada that he is going to build more nuclear power plants and stick the waste in Yucca Mountain? When is he going to tell the "base" in New England that he is now against the business-crippling greenhouse emission regulations that he signed into law when he was their RINO governor? While he is at it, when is he going to tell the "base" in California that he is going to re-open offshore drilling? When is he going to tell the "base" that he is going to repeal the Endangered Species Act, the Americans with Disabilities Act, and all federal affirmative action programs? I suppose it is a little late for him to tell the "base" in Iowa that he is going to kill the ethanol subsidy, or to tell the "base" in Michigan that he is going to make the auto industry pay the price for its decades-long indulgence of unionized insanity. I don't mind if Hugh wants to point out all of the ways that McCain is out of step with the base, but in fairness he ought to also point out the absolute gutless duplicity of Mitt on the same issues. |
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> Romney won and has been at the top of every primary
How will he place in SC?
> Here’s why:
> He has more executive experience than any candidate.
How many years "executive experience" is had by:
Romney?
Huckabee?
> He is a strong social conservative.
On what issues? Do you oppose the killing of embryonic human life? (Romney doesn't).
> He has vision for change
Meaningless.
> He can turn around other mistakes made prior to his
> taking the Job. (Bain Capital, Olympics, MA. Huge
> deficit, Big Dig Fiasco, and he'll do the same in Iraq)
What will Romney do about Iraq?
I think General Petraeus's strategy is working well.
Murdock, Deroy. 14 January 2008. "Mitt's Mythical 'Mass. Miracle'"
http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=12568
One could take Romney seriously as an architect of
economic redevelopment if he had displayed such
skills as Massachusetts governor. Instead....
Young, Peter. 4 July 2005. "Romney's 'Progress Report'"
http://www.dailynewstranscript.com/archive/x183950777
There is not a single mention in this 26-page brochure of the Big Dig, the largest and most costly public works project in the history of this nation.
SCM employees on businessman Mitt's job-cutting
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/05/30/these-ads-kept-mit t-romne_n_49954.html
> Huckabee is a nice guy... so is Jimmy Carter
Is Romney?
Romney's attacks with false and misleading claims
http://www.factcheck.org/more_mitt_malarkey.html
http://www.newsweek.com/id/80949
> Mccain is a great american but he continually pals
> around with Kennedy, Lieberman, Feingold etc..
Romney & McCain members of
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=c950b53d-1270-42c0-970 f-5ef079071753%40s12g2000prg.googlegroups.com
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Good points by clarityseeker: France leads the world in nuke-power, and aren't the lefties always telling us how those Europeans are the ultimate in civilized society?
For the spat between Blake & Reason: I believe that the newer nuke technology, "pebble-bed" reactors, are basically "Simpson-Proof". Id est, every worker in the place could eat a donut and fall asleep like Homer Simpson, and the thing would meekly wind itself down, no 3 Mile Island scenarios can occur.
But hey-- I'm not an expert, that's just what I've read.
Other things I've read include that the total area they would want to drill in ANWR is about the size of Dulles National Airport, compared to the total size of ANWR itself, which is... eh... sorry, can't remember, but some mid to small-sized state like Maryland or something.
Another thing I've read is that the really cute pictures they've shown on the MSM of ANWR are NOT located where they want to drill-- they're located 100 miles away, where there is actual "scenery". The part where they want to drill is... "ice".
Just ice, for as far as the eye can see-- no trees, no hills, no sexy caribou... just ice.
Well, that's what I've heard. Carry on. |
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[Joe on January 16, 2008 5:32 PM]"The Pander Bug
Unfortunately it is spreading around.
==
Mitt did it too in suggesting an economic Marshall plan for Detroit. Is that really conservative? No, but it sure helped him with voters."
Lowry, Rich. 29 January 2007. "The Romney Speech"
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NTU0NzEyZjIzMTI5Yz ZiYjgxMjY3MTM4YTIzMjY4NTA=
I'm a fan of the pledge myself and I'm glad Romney signed it, but his boast on this night after following Jeb played into what will be the chief vulnerability to his candidacy-- the sense that he is simply pandering to the right. Believe me, I prefer politicians pandering to the right than to something or someone else. But it won't be enough to sustain a serious presidential campaign, which has to have a deeper rationale than occupying a niche in the marketplace.
Barnett, Dean. 15 January 2008. "Driving Mr. Romney" _The New York Times_ http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/15/opinion/15barnett.html?_ r=2&ref=opinion&oref=slogin&oref=slogin
Early in the presidential race, Mr. Romney perceived a tactical advantage in becoming the campaign’s social conservative. Religious conservatives and other Republicans with socially conservative views found the two early front-runners, John McCain and Rudy Giuliani, unacceptable. As someone who shares the beliefs of social conservatives, Mr. Romney saw an opportunity that he could exploit. He made social issues the heart of his candidacy.
This tack rang false with the public because it was false.
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...you all really don't want Joe Lieberman to become a Republican after all, right? I mean, you've been courting the guy for the last year like a lovesick teenager. But you know what? he's against drilling in ANWR too. Was part of the so-called "Gang of 14". Voted against Alito. Supports the Employee Free Choice Act. Wants a path to citizenship. Is pro-choice.
If the anti Iraq war positions of the Democratic Party make Lieberman feel he's not at home as a Democrat, I hope he's reading all these attacks on his friend McCain before he decides to become a Republican. Because, except for the war, he's got much, much less in common with y'all even than McCain, who evokes astounding hatred from "good Republicans".
Come back home, Joe. All is forgiven. You belong on our team, not theirs. |
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[clarityseeker on January 16, 2008 6:54 PM]"the Left and Liberals love to point to France for its socialist system in many areas. Whooooooooaaaaaa, wait a minute, how about all of those NUCLEAR POWER plants that France operates for low-cost energy?
France utilizes nuclear power at will. It serves the majority of their needs for electricity.
And the Left's position on this?
'We don't want no NUCLEAR POWER in the USA'."
Rachel Maddow of Air America:
Romney the anti-France candidate
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhmByBWsJoI
context for Romney's remark
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2007/04/romney_on_nuc lear_energy_the_f_1.html
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Mitt Romney’s Car Accident in France
http://blog.electromneyin2008.com/2007/06/24/mitt-romneys-c ar-accident-in-france/
Like Massachusetts's John Kerry, Massachusetts's Romney speaks French.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyP2M0DTch8
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Oh good grief. Anyone else reading this nonsense? Someone give Blake a slap or two, please!
You made the comment that you wanted nuclear power plants to go about their business without fear of lawsuits.
I said that nuclear power plants need to fear lawsuits.
You, wrongly, construed that to mean that I don't want nuclear energy.
I feel very comfortable with the knowledge that you are in a tiny minority of people who don't want nuclear power companies to fear the consequences of sloppy operations. I don't care if the sleeping security staff were union or not. I care that the operator did not have procedures in place to ensure that their security staff doesn't sleep on the job.
Blake, I love nuclear power. I want this industry to be heavily regulated and I want the operators to fear lawsuits. I want this because their business can create a calamity that no one wants. Get it? Please?!?! |
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Ah, I see, you now think I directly accused you of filing a lawsuit against the nuclear industry.
Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit, is it?
I said "People like you" as in "similar in thought process or attitude," although, I think I'm giving you the benefit of a doubt by assuming you have thought processes.
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I see, backpedaling and qualifying your remarks now?
Narrowing your definition of "terrified?"
Okay, we had some rubes sleeping on the job. I don't know all the details, however, if they were union, they would be extremely hard to fire. The company may have even made the effort. I don't know, I haven't seen the new reports and I don't know the back story.
So, don't trot out some lame story about some guards sleeping on the job. You don't know any of the details nor the context. However, I have personal experience with how difficult it is to fire anyone these days. Why? Because companies are "terrified of lawsuits."
I told you not to complain about high energy prices. I didn't accuse you of posting comments regarding high energy prices. |
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Fine. Blake. You win. You want nuclear power plants to operate without fear of lawsuits. That would be wonderful.
Why don't you remind me of the details of the last lawsuit that I brought against the nuclear power industry.
For everyone else who can read: I support nuclear energy. I want more nuclear power. I want nuclear power plants to operate as if they are terrified about the consequences of what happens when they get sloppy.
Get it Blake? Hello? |
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Yet, there have not been any new nuclear power plants built in the US since the 1970's, because of lawsuits by people like you. You want them terrified? They are and therefore, they don't build nuclear power plants in this country.
You can't have it both ways. You can't have a company terrified of lawsuits, yet claim to support their industry.
You, sir, are a hypocrite. |
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Easy on the name-calling. Before you call me a hypocrite, you might want to find a post of me complaining about high energy costs.
I want nuclear operators to be so terrified of lawsuits that they do not operate plants like the one in Pennsylvania where the security crew routinely took naps while on the job. |
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Did I say that I have a problem with nuclear energy? I support nuclear energy. I want them terrified of lawsuits. |
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Cosmox hits it on the head. Yellowstone would be the most productive geo-thermal generation site in the world and the cost of utilization would be a fraction of the cost of extracting and transporting the same amount of energy from ANWR. The Grand Canyon is the greatest untapped hydro-electric source in North America. And if I'm not mistaken, the Everglades is sitting in an area of proven oil reserves, again much cheaper to extract and transport from than the Arctic Circle. |
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Then don't complain about high energy costs. You're one of the reasons Americans are slaves to ME oil.
If nuclear energy is so bad and evil, then tell me, how many people have died from nuclear accidents in the US?
Hypocrite, you'll allow "evil big oil" to do the dirty work in someone else's backyard, as long as it's not yours.
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If there are two industries that I want to be positively terrified of lawsuits it is the nuclear and refinery industries! Absolutely!
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What kills me is not only domestic drilling, but nuclear energy and new refineries.
Democrats decry the loss of jobs overseas while ignoring just how many jobs would be created if all of the above were allowed in our country.
The economic expansion plan I want to hear is: We will allow private industry to do the above without fear of overzealous government oversight and nuisance lawsuits.
Anyone care to bet just how much our economy would take off if the nuclear and oil industries were allowed to go about their business without fear of lawsuits? |
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Blaming an environmentalist for someone's suicide sounds a lot like rejecting the concept of personal responsibility. Is there room for criticizing environmentalists? Of course, but linking them to suicides makes about as much sense as linking the suicides brought about by Romney's layoffs to Mitt Romney.
The nuts grow just as well on the right side of the tree as they do on the left.
The "sui" in "suicide" means "of oneself" not "of Carl Pope." |
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From off the coast of Cuba, China will be extracting oil from an area we should have already drilled. Thanks to directional drilling technology, they will be pumping our oil right from under our noses.
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Would be happy in a city bus all day long and the Gov telling he can't have one. (car) That is except for people like McCain and all of the dem's, plus the rich.
Ahh joe, check into what Russia was years ago until Reagan kicked their butts. Most people didn't have cars.
Now the bigger point. Let's say Joe get's his way and McCain get's his way.
I wonder how Joe will feel when he paying say 5 or 6 bucks per gal and most of it is on taxes.
Because your guy is headed that way with Global Warming fools!
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The theory of man's role in "Global Warming" has as much credence as the theory of "Spontaneous Generation."
The Grand Canyon is a big hole and the Everglades is a giant swamp. ANWAR is only slightly more useful, being that it contains a variety of land and animal-types. That being said, if there was a reasonable degree of certainty that oil was in any of these places, I say drill away!!!
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Where do you get some of your info? Make up it.
ANWR is a frozen trunda.
Speaking of Carbou. You know that they have more now then before the pipe line. (why is that) They heat the oil to move it. That way the Carbou babes stay there and less chance of death.
PS the oil companies has said how much oil is there. It's the Eco-freaks that keep saying something else. Yeah like they would know. |
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Has anyone seen the pictures of Mr. Popes home in N. Calif mountains. I have.
Yeah he's some tree hugger my tail end! |
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Zell Miller, Dem GA, once said he had been to Anwar and seen it first hand; he had to fly in by Bush pilot and take a dog sled to get there! No one is going to take their kids to visit nature in Anwr anytime in the near future. We should be drilling for oil in Anwr, it can be don with minimal risk of disturbing the ecosystem. Those who object to the logic of drilling are simply hard-headed self centered egotists who value their own opinion above all logic; in other words, like John McCain! |
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Whenever CNN talk about ANWR they always show the lush Alaskan forests along the west and southern coasts. This is deceptive and it seems McCain buys into it since ANWR is on the north east corner of Alaska.
Like someone said earlier, ANWR is a frozen tundra. It's like a frozen Nevada. Don't believe me? Check out this website:
http://www.anwr.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view& id=34&Itemid=65 |
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Zell Miller, Dem GA, once said he had been to Anwar and seen it first hand; he had to fly in by Bush pilot and take a dog sled to get there! No one is going to take their kids to visit nature in Anwar anytime in the near future. We should be drilling for oil in Anwar, it can be don with minimal risk of disturbing the ecosystem. Those who object to the logic of drilling are simply hard-headed self centered egotists who value their own opinion above all logic; in other words, like John McCain! |
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Hugh:
As you well know, there is no factual basis against drilling in ANWR, and that brands McCain profoundly misinformed or willfully ignorant.
But we must remember that this is the same man who championed the abridgement of the First Amendment which created the 527s, was against the Bush tax cuts, and was fundamentally tone deaf on illegal immigration, but denies it to this day.
How anyone can call that "conservative" is nothing short of astounding.
The beauty of the primary season is that not unlike the chapters of a good novel, the electorate is serially introduced to the characters and we get to know them better and better.
For my posting today on this click above.
Best,
Phil Mella
ClearCommentary.com |
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Right now, he trails Clinton in Ohio, Florida, Texas, Kentucky, Alabama, Missouri, Colorado, Virginia, and several other Bush 2oo4 states. These numbers come from the most recent Survey USA polls. Mitt won't lose Texas, but he going to get beat badly.
My prediction is 370-168 for Hillary. |
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yeah, the Left and Liberals love to point to France for its socialist system in many areas. Whooooooooaaaaaa, wait a minute, how about all of those NUCLEAR POWER plants that France operates for low-cost energy?
France utilizes nuclear power at will. It serves the majority of their needs for electricity.
And the Left's position on this?
"We don't want no NUCLEAR POWER in the USA".
Russia can freely explore for and drill for oil in the "pristine" countryside of their mother country.
The middle east can freely explore for and drill oil anywhere they want to.
Mexico? Same thing.
Cesar CHAvez? Sure, says the Left. You drill wherever you want to.
Not us. We'll catterwall endlessly about oil dependence, but dont touch that ANWR.
And McCain parrots the delusional Left and those Liberals who make environmentalism a religious pursuit.
And Carl Pope of the SIERRA CLUB? He has been proven wrong many, many, many times. Never to apologize for his mistakes which have decimated an industry in our country and caused anxiety to such a degree that several people committed suicide in the Pacific NorthWest when the logging industry there went BUST.
Carl Pope's response? No big deal. Not my fault. |
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We are the only country in the world that doesn't take advantage of it's own natural resources. Even if the drilling area in ANWR didn't look like the face of the moon (it does) we should still drill it. Several countries are getting oil out of the Gulf of Mexico while we sit on our high environmental horse, hostage to the Middle East. Stupid! |
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Simply do not agree with McCain's idea of ANWR. Sure this country needs to protect its beautiful places. Places such as, Yellowstone, Grand Canyon, Yosemite, Estes Park, Grand Teton, Great Smoky Mtns. Nat'l Park, Zion, Olympic National Park, Cuyahoga Valley Nat'l. Park, Arcadia.
About 40 million visitors/yr. to all of those places.
We also need to rationally analyze all of our nation's assets and determine how they are best utilized. When we have a decades long dependence on mid east, such as we do, we need to consider that ANWR, with about a dozen visitors a year, is best utilized to meet our needs for oil.
Remember the spotted Owl debacle? Yeah, the environmentalists SCREECHED that they were being lost to logging in the northwest---sacrificing thousands of jobs, and an entire industry in that region. And what about the number of suicides caused by the anxiety? Whooooooaaaaaa, slow down there, Mr. Carl Pope. You are complicit in these suicides and lost jobs---when LOGGING WAS DEFINITIVELY DETERMINED AS NOT the cause.
Did you apologize to those families, Carl Pope? When it was ultimately determined that the "barred owl" was the cause of the demise of the spotted owl?
NOPE----NOT CARL POPE-----He's a DOPE.
How about the wood boring beetles decimating hundreds of thousands of acres of old forests in California?And how about those mountain pine beetles killing millions of Lodgepole Pines in my backyard in Breckenridge, Winter Park, Sol Vista, Grand Lake? How many acres affected? 1.5 million since the infestation broke out in 1996?
THE CAUSE?
Forestry mismanagement (the abating of all naturally caused forest fires) based upon screeching environmentalists getting their way--once again. This disaster has not even fully accounted for yet. AND, it the fault of ENVIRONMENTALISTS, and their over zealous religious-like focus.
They were wrong, are wrong, and will be wrong again. The Point? They are wrong on ANWR and have impacted John McCain's position. Period!
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ANWR and most of the Arctic was called rightly so ... A Wasteland. There is a reason no one lives there and not much more than the errant polar bear ever goes there.
A swamp is a swamp, a jungle is a jungle and a wasteland is a wasteland. Drilling despoils nothing. |
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hugh, the guy who has spent the last few months calling people bigots for not supporting romney, now is "outraged" at mccain because he took a shot at people who don't agree with him. just another day at the e-fax studio, i guess.
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Political suicide attempt. Let us see if anyone notices. |
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Romney won and has been at the top of every primary, because he is the only well-rounded conservative with a chance on winning the presidency. Here’s why:
He has more executive experience than any candidate.
He is a strong social conservative.
He has vision for change
He can turn around other mistakes made prior to his taking the Job. (Bain Capital, Olympics, MA. Huge deficit, Big Dig Fiasco, and he'll do the same in Iraq)
Huckabee is a nice guy... so is Jimmy Carter
Mccain is a great american but he continually pals around with Kennedy, Lieberman, Feingold etc..
Be Smart. Look at the Facts.
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"I want to be a commander in chief who can think at the operational level, but who has no clue how to think strategically for long-term victory. I intend to fiddle while Detroit burns, and not drill for domestic oil so a flat wasteland stays that way." |
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Who doesn't know how much oil is there ? We already know the bottom end of the range and only because of the greens have we not been able to find out the top end.
ANWAR is sh*t land. Infested with biting flies and other nasty bugs. Our drilling would never disturb the caribou and the current know estimates of what is there would replace Middle East oil imports for over 10 years ... of course in a global oil market you can't really boycott an oil producer unless everyone boycotts him.
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How about we leave it to a Yes or No vote of Alaskans? Or, even better, how 'bout the Indians who live up thaaaarrr near Anwar? Ya want to put any $$ on your Pristine Place? Oh, and by the by, John: The pesky Caribou proliferate like crazy around those warm pipelines! Seems the warmth puts the critters in the Antlered Mood. Pandering this Enviro-Whacko Crap is unbecoming anybody claiming to be a Republican, much less a Conservative. |
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Much like Hillary Clinton, John McVain thinks he's entitled to the presidency.
Nobody who thinks it's a good idea to continue groveling to other powers for the oil that runs our nation and our economy, while refusing to drill for our own on our own property, should be anywhere near the Oval Office.
I think he should be in treatment for PTSD, not running for President. He's certainly not looking out for the best interests of this country. |
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running mate for Romney is Alaska Governor Sarah Palin. |
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Drilling footprints in Arctic National Wildlife Refuge would initially take up a very small footprint. Trouble is if there is a ton of oil there you have to connect all those little footprints (which are spread in some sort of array across the field) with pipelines to get the oil from point a to point b. It has an impact.
Prudhoe Bay is not even remotely pristine. Is there still wildlife there, yeah, but it is not miles and miles of pristine tundra with giant herds of caribou that look not much different than when the first Asians crossed the Berring Strait.
So there is a cost to this. There is a potential benefit. The rational decision is to determine what the potential benefit might be before a decision is made.
There is also the huge area west of Prudhoe Bay which was originally designated for oil exploration. Go check it out on a map. It is bigger than most states. That should be opened up immediately since that is what it was originally designated for. At least ANWR is actually a wildlife refuge which should give it a different standard than the other area.
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McCain and his trolls believe that anytime a human being builds anything or walks on something, the economy is somehow damaged. Humans are part of the ecology and like other beings, we cast a shadow and leave footprints. That is not bespoiling a "pristine" environment. It is alright and perfectly natural for human beings to exist and leave their mark. And drilling for oil is not the defacto ecological disaster environmentalists insist it is. It is ok to drill for oil. It is happening on the Beverly Hill High School campus and many many places in urban LA. |
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head is like the grand canyon, old and empty!!! |
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Unfortunately it is spreading around. McCain did some general election pandering with Climate Change and enviromental issues (which are HUGE crossover issues with the indies and Dems).
Mitt did it too in suggesting an economic Marshall plan for Detroit. Is that really conservative? No, but it sure helped him with voters. Neither Mitt nor McCain are clean on this one.
Then you have Fred Thompson preaching that old time Conservative religion and...going nowhere. I hate to break the news to you but there is a Pogo problem with Republican voters (we are the enemy of ourselves). So called conservatives often like pork, spending, and feel good programs that help them.
What they need is someone to explain the cost. But during an election is generally a bad time to do it. |
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yawn...Hugh's indefatigable slaps, pokes and smears of all people not Romney, I agree with the ANWR critcism. This is an area that is mostly perma-frost. And further, where oil companies have built structures in Alaska, wildlife actually thrives! It increases thanks to the infrastructure that serves as nesting areas, places for rainwater to be caught and the like. Very much like a ship that sinks and wittingly or not, creates a reef for a variety of fish and other creatures. So, to McCain, I say "LET US DRILL in ANWR!" Oil independence is just as important to the war on terror as guns and bombs and troops on the ground. Wake up Senator and smell the sweet crude! Prediction for South Carolina: 1-McCain 2-Huckabee 3-Thompson 4-Romney |
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I do not want to see the Arctic trashed, especially areas of pristine wilderness. It has a value even if very few people go there. ANWR is a pristine area where about a hundred thousand caribou give birth and its wetlands support millions of migratory waterfowl (like geese, ducks, etc. that many like to hunt in the lower 48). Drilling can screw that up.
But I would at least like to know how much oil is in it. Nobody really knows. So if I were president I would at least authorize the winter drilling of a few test wells (which will have minimum impact on the tundra/permafrost). If the area only has a limited amount of oil, it may not be worth spoiling with a bunch of pipelines and rigs. If it is a bonanza of oil--well then the cost benefit analysis shifts.
There is also a states rights argument to this and Alaskans are very pro this development. That makes this different than oil wells off the beaches of Florida and California (which locals hate).
But there is also something to be said for not rushing to develop this oil too quickly. For example, it would have been a mistake to open these fields at $20 per barrel. Isn't it much better for us all to have this oil start flowing when prices are high. The lead time from exploration to oil actually flowing down the pipeline is probably about 5-7 years (although that could be accellerated). |
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Funny part. China is drilling off of Cuba.
Hey Bush & McCain... "WAKE UP" |
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But Mc fool thinks that higher taxes will fix it, or hey drive your corn fuel car. But that's another LONG story!
Dumb John, really dumb. |
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I guess you accidentally left out the part of the quote where McCain condemns anyone at all. Dishonest hackery. A month ago, I'd have said it was unworthy of you, but now it fits like a glove. |
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I'm sorry, but ANWR and the entire global warming issue in general is somewhere around #30 on my top priority list. There's no way this issue changes my support of any candidacy one way or the other. The fact is we'll never be be independent of the Middle East's oil supply, which is why the sooner we get off of it the better off the country will be.
Sure, I'd like to get what oil we can from there, but its a temporary stopgap at best. ANWR isn't an answer to the energy problem. |
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...takes up about as much space there as a postage stamp does on a football field.
I don't see hordes of tourists falling all over themselves to rush up there and freeze to death.
McCain is completely off his rocker. How can any real conservative even consider voting for this guy?
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ANWR is not beautiful.
It IS pristine, in the sense that nobody has built anything there or altered the landscape.
But beautiful does not apply. Its flat, featureless and dull dull dull.
ANd the amount of space in ANWR that would be used to produce oil is something like a postage stamp on a football field anyway.
McCain doesn't really believe this crap. He is simply sold out personally in some way as to force him to say stupid stuff like this when he's called on it.
Maybe some day we'll find out exactly who he sold out to, and what for. |
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McQueeg is a big "D" democrat, pretending to be a Republican. Is this they guy, you supporters of his, want leading the party. Leading it right down the toilet. |
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