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Thursday, April 05, 2007
Accentuate the Politically Unforgiveable, Eliminate the Chances
Posted by: Mary Katharine Ham at 9:50 AM

All right, I get Rudy's strategy. He can't convincingly convert to social conservatism, so he's offering social conservatives a deal, as I noted in my column. You get the judges, the charisma, the security from both terrorists and another Clinton presidency, but we're gonna have to agree to disagree on social issues.

I get that it would look silly at this point to walk back from all of his positions, but does he really need to pick the most reprehensible of all to reassert? I mean, public funding of abortion? A mighty stone indeed, which can kill both a fiscal and social conservative starling, as Matt points out.

I'm a fiscal/security conservative first, which makes me a conservative voter who is predisposed to both like Rudy and seriously consider the deal he's offering conservatives, but this puts even a more lenient social conservative like myself waaaayyy off.

This position violates the terms of the deal. The only reason a conservative would sign on to Rudy would be because we're assured that he's a pretty rock-solid fiscal and security conservative. If those two things are more important to you than social issues, and you're convinced he won't do too much damage on the social front, it's not a bad deal. But this position reveals a disheartening betrayal of free-market ideas and respect for both taxpayers and social conservatives.

The Rudy camp's spin:

And the Giuliani campaign noted later in the day that the former mayorwould not seek to make any changes to current law, which restrictsfederal funding to cases of rape, incest and the life of the mother.
Why plant your flag there, Rudy? Of all the things he could walk back on, this would be the easiest. No one would question that he might reconsider support of public funding of abortions. A man of principle, as Rudy is positioning himself, could certainly have reservations about that.

I have found, for the most part, in talking to regular folks, that the affection for Rudy is so high that even dedicated social conservatives-- not social conservatives who are political operatives, but regular voters-- are willing to give him a chance. In Iowa, they said they wanted to hear him talk.

I don't think he can talk his way around this one.

Nor will this kind of thing help:

Per the quote, according to Dickerson, Rudy’s given to referringprivately to social cons, in contrast to himself, as “right-wingers.”

McCain's uncanny ability to exude contempt for large parts of the conservative electorate despite mostly agreeing with them is why the man from Arizona is trailing America's thrice-married Mayor in polls. Giuliani has always exuded good humor and respect, despite disagreements. If he abandons that, he's just McCain with worse conservative credentials. That won't get him far at all.

Update: Rob Bluey interviews former Maryland Gov. Bob Erlich on why he's supporting Giuliani, but Erlich's a moderate, so his endorsement won't matter that much to staunch social cons.

I'm interested in what Steve Forbes would say about public funding of abortion.

Also, Capt. Ed makes a good point:

This is an absurd statement on two levels. First, while Roe v Wade acts as precedent for the Constitutionality of abortion, nowhere in the Constitution does it say that the government must provide its citizens with what it allows. If that were true, the federal government would be required to arm every citizen. After all, the Second Amendment explicitly states that citizens have the right to bear arms, in language that actually appears in the document. If Giuliani's logic prevails, he should be arguing for a government plan to disperse guns, rifles, and ammunition -- as any impediment to access to a Constitutional right becomes the government's job to overcome.

Which makes Giuliani's position poppycock, if I can use a technical term.

Oh, and yes, I did write the column for The Examiner before I read yesterday's Rudy scoop. How'd you guess? Don't you hate it when the news cycle bites you in the rear like that?

I'm headed to New York today, and was hoping to get some interviews at Rudy's headquarters, but I'm told most of the spokespeople are out of the office today. I'll try nonetheless.




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Pasadena Phil writes: Saturday, April, 07, 2007 2:25 PM
roho: I know this is late
But I was joking about the LA jibe. I agree with what you said and should have responded sooner.
aleph_0 writes: Saturday, April, 07, 2007 7:12 AM
Ehhhh
Rudy has said that he is re-evaluating his beliefs on that, but believes abortion funding should be on a state-by-state basis (i.e. not done at the federal level). When talking about protecting constitutional rights, he's talking about 1) protecting the right to have an abortion and 2) protecting the right of any given state to help fund that abortion, if it so desires.

I think Rudy has a complicated view of abortion, but that doesn't mean it's equivocating. Many things that are right are complicated. Abstract mathematics, for one.

Personally, I'm about as pro-choice as any single human being can be, but I don't find hardly anything Rudy has said to have been contrary to my own views.

Passionate as I am about abortion, the law is the law and we should have constructionist judges.

Partial-birth abortion I give a little wiggle-room (i.e., I believe it should be legal, but I don't make such a hard line about it so long as at *least* first-trimester abortions are permitted).

Considering that our federal government is bloated as it is, I like the idea of retracting its sphere of influence in matters like funding abortion, leaving it to the state. I think a similar thing is not entirely bad for gun-control. It's largely a tactic for controlling crime, and if one locality wants to use it (non-gratuitously) then I'm not so opposed. Let the feds worry about nukes, and the state or city worry about hand grenades and fully-automatics.
roho writes: Friday, April, 06, 2007 6:39 PM
Not you dude.
Pasadena Phil: I didn't even see your comment prior to mine, and was responding to the Hollywood/San Fagfisco/NYNY liberal solutions that Rudy is a part of. The GOP is trying to sale us Rudy on the classic fear tactic of "But what if Hillary Get's ellected?", knowing that most conservatives will vote the lesser of two evils. I'm tired of voting the lesser of two evils, and have decided that if the GOP can't give me a real conservative to vote for, then QUEEN HILLARY can eat them, and out of chaos will come sanity! I will go fishing on election day......But I was responding to the article itself, and see RUDY as a full blown Bill Clinton riding an elephant instead of a donkey!
Sensei Ern writes: Friday, April, 06, 2007 10:33 AM
The RNC needs to be careful
Rudy could turn out to be the next Bob Dole.
one hot minute writes: Thursday, April, 05, 2007 10:32 PM
she's cool as a cucumber

Wilt65, I don't think it's fair to characterize M-Kat's post as a "conniption fit."

She's always cool as a cucumber.

You may be accurate about Medicaid, but then again President Bush was always embraced by social conservatives.
That's part of his base, so politically speaking, Bush hasn't needed to defend himself on the issue of abortion.

On the other hand, Rudy needs to impress a decent percentage of social conservatives to jump on his bandwagon, if he's ever to win the GOP nomination.

M-Kat cooly stated that she's a fiscal/security conservative first and foremost, and that she's open to being seduced by Rudy's strong leadership on national security/foreign policy issues, despite his more centrist social positions.

Her point is that it doesn't do Rudy any good to go out of his way to ACCENTUATE his differences with social conservatives---especially just a day or two after a nice Baptist lady in Des Moines was quoted by M-Kat as saying that she perceived Rudy to be as inspiring as her Preacher.
Instead, Rudy should build on the momentum of his national security appeal by REACHING OUT to other social conservatives such as the aforementioned Baptist lady by focusing like a laser beam on fighting terrorism, and nominating constructionist judges.

But what M-Kat also points out is that the context of this particular abortion statement by Rudy not only reminds social conservatives of his "centrist" position on abortion, but that when he speaks of taxpayer-funded abortions, it also offends the sensibilities of fiscal conservatives.

It's the cool commentary we've come to expect from M-Kat---hardly a "conniption fit."
Willt65 writes: Thursday, April, 05, 2007 7:35 PM
Gaffe
Mary, calm down from your conniption fit and take a breath. The guy made a mistake and backed away from his comments already. Or did you not see his comments from S.C.? As current law stands, taxpayers already pay for certain abortions covered under Medicaid. Bush has allowed this law to stand for his six years as president, despite having a Republican Congress for all those years. So I guess Bush favors taxpayer-funded abortions too?
Virginia Patriot writes: Thursday, April, 05, 2007 2:50 PM
a good bookkeeper
Roho, you nailed it. Can't have national security without border security and Rudy, like Bush, is on board the cheap labor express.

The Republican Party under GWB seems intent on political suicide. Pandering to citizens of other countries illegally in our country while telling us we must be vigilantes if we object to illegal aliens ignoring our borders and laws. Mel Martinez is RNC Chairman to ensure an open borders candidate in '08. The cheap labor express will be kept running, regardless of the consequences, to party or country. GOP-RIP
Pasadena Phil writes: Thursday, April, 05, 2007 2:10 PM
roho
Where do you think I'm from? The problem with LA is all the New Yorkers on the west side and the illegal immigrants. Much of LA's problem was imported from New York transplants.
roho writes: Thursday, April, 05, 2007 2:00 PM
Big Apple Stupidity.
Why do people from New York City and Los Angelos struggle with understanding that like the beltway mentality, "They are not the center of the universe"?......Rudy just dumped every Southern Baptist that was considering him.....for good. And nobody ever considered him a conservative on security with his immigration stance. That leaves him a good bookeeper at best. I think he would make a great fund raiser...........But not Commander in the middle of a long term war. The problem is that the GOP shoved their RINO's out into the spotlight, and let their real conservatives work in the bushes like they were ashamed of them! Now they don't have a horse, and it's race time.
Pasadena Phil writes: Thursday, April, 05, 2007 11:07 AM
Feels like losing to me
The Dems have that "winning" feeling going while the contortionist Repubs are back pedaling as fast as they can trying to rationalize to their base that their liberal is going to hurt them less. Why does that not inspire Reagan-like devotion?
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