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Wednesday, August 22, 2007
The State of the Race
Posted by: Dean Barnett at 11:49 AM

It’s been a while since I’ve addressed the state of the presidential race.  It’s high time I return to the game.

We’ll start with the Democratic side since it’s so easy to summarize.  Hillary Clinton’s opponents once appeared attractive but have turned out to be seriously wanting.  John Edwards is obviously a fraud.  Everyone suspected he was a fraud during the 2004 campaign when he did things like thoughtfully salute the lesbianism of Dick Cheney’s daughter.  He’s spent this entire election cycle outing himself as completely unworthy of the office that he seeks.  Even the Nutroots have lost their ardor for the Silky Pony.  I spent a long time thinking that Edwards would be the Democratic nominee premised on the facts that: a) Democrats will nominate anyone (see Gore, A., and Kerry, J. for related details); and b) Edwards was the least flawed Democratic nominee.  In fact, he is the most flawed Democratic nominee and is going nowhere fast.

As far as Barack Obama is concerned, the only thing he’s proven himself capable of is giving a really nice speech.  Unfortunately for him, the only significant speech a presidential candidate gets to give is the one at his party’s national convention when he accepts his party’s nomination.  Obama is a lazy thinker prone to misstatements and the kind of general campaigning sloppiness that kills a candidate in the era of the non-stop news cycle. The quality of his performance has come as something of a shock.  He’s a smart guy, and yet keeps saying stupid things.

He also hasn’t offered a compelling rationale for his candidacy.  The man’s got no campaign narrative.  There was a lot of talk in the Nutroots several months ago that Obama was building a movement.  A movement for what, I wondered.  Now a lot more people are wondering precisely why this man is running for president.

THE REPUBLICAN SIDE IS WHERE THE ACTION IS.  We have three serious candidates, all with legitimate possibilities and difficult obstacles.  A couple of months ago, Fred Thompson not only looked like the frontrunner but actually was the frontrunner.  There was tremendous enthusiasm for his then-nascent campaign.  In the scheme of presidential politics, the Thompson campaign was born on third base.

It is a tribute to the disorganized and out-of-touch nature of the Thompson campaign that it has managed to so thoroughly squander these advantages.  Fred had a window of opportunity a few months ago when a ton of people were dying to hear from him. Back then, I would receive dozens of emails a day proclaiming Fred Dalton Thompson as the savior of both the party and the nation.  Those emails have stopped coming.

Somehow, the Thompson campaign got the impression that it could stealthily glide to the nomination by releasing the occasional blog-post and YouTube.  It doesn’t work that way.  Politics will always be about reaching people, and as of this writing the blogosphere reaches a pathetically tiny portion of the electorate.  Mitt Romney got in front of more people by winning Ames than will read this blog and Instapundit and Powerline combined over the next year and a half.  There aren’t any shortcuts to the presidency, a fact that surprisingly enough ambushed the Thompson campaign.

Fred of course remains a top tier candidate.  But his margin of error has been reduced to zero.  When the national spotlight first hit Romney and Rudy, they both made their share of errors.  Fred is one mediocre debate performance away from the second tier.  The flip side of that coin is that he’s one electrifying debate performance from solid front-runner status.  That’s what makes his candidacy so interesting and such a wildcard.

AND THEN THERE’S RUDY AND MITT.  I’m an avowed Romney supporter, so you can take this with a grain of salt if you’re so inclined, but I’m thrilled with where my guy stands.  Everywhere the voters have gotten to know Romney, he’s done extremely well.  If/when he wins Iowa and New Hampshire, he’ll get enough free media attention in every corner of the country to receive a great introduction to the general public on favorable terms.  Also, the most recent national polls show Romney in the 14% range, only a dozen or so points behind Rudy.  According to Rasmussen (the one pollster I really trust), Romney has hit 10% on South Carolina and only trails Fred by 13 points there.  

Mitt was at 3% in March’s Gallup poll.  That seems like a long time ago.

If Rudy’s the nominee, I’ll support him enthusiastically.  Rudy’s position, however, is sort of the inverse of Romney’s.  In the states where the campaign is most intense, Rudy is doing much worse than his national numbers.  There’s no inherent reason why Romney should be so thoroughly trouncing Rudy in Iowa.  Rudy’s positions on social issues may indeed turn out to be his undoing.  When the voters look at his campaign beyond his celebrity politico status, he fares worse.

So what will the outcome be?  A lot of it depends on Fred.  If Fred falls flat, it becomes a two-man race, with Rudy having a significant advantage in the national polls but Romney having prevailed every place the two candidates have actually jousted. 

If Fred soars, he’ll be tough to beat.  Fred soaring seems increasingly unlikely, but we’ll know a lot more about what he brings to the table in a few week. All signs point to Fred entering around Labor Day.  By the end of September, we’ll have a much better understanding about where this race is headed.

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pic82101 writes: Thursday, August, 23, 2007 12:48 PM
the candidates
Fred Thompson's time has come and gone.

Mike Huckabee For President!

http://www.newyorkforhuckabee.blogspot.com
Virginia Patriot writes: Wednesday, August, 22, 2007 11:27 PM
Not Voting For Any New York Liberal
R or D. Maybe Romney, even though I think his recent conversions on numerous issues are completely transparent pandering. Fred is better than either, but the man I trust to ACTUALLY secure the border and enforce the law, is Duncan Hunter. We would have actual, not virtual, border security with a Hunter administration. The rest are all in the pockets of the cheap labor importers and will do as little as Bush to stem the tide.
mcfritz writes: Wednesday, August, 22, 2007 7:05 PM
I like toast.
http://toastandjam.ytmnd.com/
mcfritz writes: Wednesday, August, 22, 2007 5:24 PM
Jim Geraghty wants more attention!?
The club for failed Republican senators wants some attention. Well show me the internals of the Rasmussen panel--it did real good in 2000 (sarc).

Right now all I see is alot of verbage to sell some sensational clicking. When readers could see the internals clearly, respondents all concluded that Romney was as perdominantly conservative as other conservative candidates. People got to know him, and they liked him.

http://www.galluppoll.com/content/default.aspx?ci=28447

In fact, the Gallup poll says the exact opposite of Ras's panel--"Romney's favorable rating has jumped from 22% to 33% over the past two weeks, while his unfavorable rating has fallen from 31% to 24%."

What makes up the Rasmussen panel? It sounds like politically active respondents. With so many candidates still in the race, of course, supports of the other guy will rate Romney negatively. Is Romney outside the statistical range of these candidates? Nah.

Romney is well positioned. He is one of the most qualified candidates in our history. And Jim Geraghty and his pals for rival campaigns are fustrated. The attacks get turned around by Romney because of his experience, training and intelligence...

HBS/HLS/BCG/Bain/BainCapital/Olympics/Governor.

Jim Geraghty your campaign friends should ask Romney for a recommendation to get their MBA/JD's.
US Air Force: Above and Beyond writes: Wednesday, August, 22, 2007 3:50 PM
funny how
Dean and Hugh are the first to whip out ANY poll which shows Romney breaking into double digits.

yet today, Rasmussen shows that out of 21 candidates, the Mittster has the HIGHEST NEGATIVES, and that over 25% of GOP VOTERS would not vote for him.

hmm, that might prove a bit of a stumbling block for the Mittmentum Express..
none none writes: Wednesday, August, 22, 2007 3:35 PM
I will vote for Rudy if he's the nom
But I have to admti that it will be hard to support a guy with such deep character flaws. Nobody's perfect, but he seems to be a guy without a moral barometer, and has an incredible lack of judgement when it comes to his personal life. He's not committed to his family at all and that says a lot about him, unfortunately.

I don't want to swallow the private life/personal life separation baloney, that was forced down our throat by the dems with Clinton.

Rudy's not the best we have to choose from and I hope he does not get the nomination.
none none writes: Wednesday, August, 22, 2007 3:31 PM
I like Condi
But she just is not presidential material. She has never run for any office. Her leadership skills are mostly unknown. Sure, she's smart and capable and all that - but she has no experience running or winning anything.

It's kind of sad that her most talked about positives are the fact that she's black and a woman. I thought we were over that.
NeoConScum writes: Wednesday, August, 22, 2007 3:05 PM
Rudy / Condi...My 'Dream Ticket'...

and Hillary,I believe,lives in dread of such a thing.I don't think Condi could be convinced to run for Prez...Too MUCH &%$ned Politics.But,I've
dreamt,since '04,of her being VP to a strong Guy.
She's way more than proved that she's entirely comfortable and adept with dealing with men of power.Ms.Rice has a resume that far surpasses any candidate on the Dem side.Hillary or Bazama couldn'e come up with 1/10th her accomplishments, even if counterfeiting them. Rudy+Condi would be a Huge Boost for America and Freedom...And a Mighty Negative to our enemies and others who wish us ill.
ScarletPimpernel writes: Wednesday, August, 22, 2007 2:57 PM
by definition
liberal: in general "He’s a smart guy, and yet keeps saying stupid things."
sampo writes: Wednesday, August, 22, 2007 2:55 PM
Rudy/McCain ticket.
I actually think a Rudy/McCain ticket would be ok. McCain could smack him around if his liberal tendencies poked their head up.
Thaale writes: Wednesday, August, 22, 2007 2:43 PM
Good point, sampo
He's almost committed himself already.
sampo writes: Wednesday, August, 22, 2007 2:37 PM
thaale
when asked "Rudy, since McCain is your second choice for President, why isn't he your first choice for VP?"

what can he possibly say?
Thaale writes: Wednesday, August, 22, 2007 2:33 PM
I think McCain will be Rudy's VP choice
The bad blood between the Rudy and Romney camps has now exceeded by the bad blood between even the Romney and McCain camps. It’s hard to see Giuliani reaching toward Romney unless that’s the only way he can win – and Romney doesn’t actually add anything to Rudy.

Huckabee is a strong veep candidate. So is McCain. Thompson is a possibility. And of course you have the non-prez-candidates like Condi and Jeb.
sampo writes: Wednesday, August, 22, 2007 2:26 PM
mit more unpopular than hillary
http://rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/romney_encounters_more_core_opposition_than_clinton

even though no one has heard of him.
Jane writes: Wednesday, August, 22, 2007 2:25 PM
I'm not as big of a
supporter of Mitt as you are, altho I would definately get behind his candidacy should he win the nomination, but I think at this point at least, all the juice is headed in his direction.
kchand writes: Wednesday, August, 22, 2007 2:21 PM
Mike writes:
"On foreign policy, Obama has impressed me more than any of the other candidates..."

Was it the unconditional meeting with thug dictators that you liked the most or attacking our ally, Pakistan? Perhaps, it was saying about our military in Afghanistan "that we are not just air raiding villages and killing civilians".

Or, that he indicated Saudi Arabia and China could somehow be persuaded to fill the vacuum left after a pullout of U.S. forces from Iraq and also signaling he would subordinate U.S. interests to United Nations concerns.

The referral to the "president of Canada" also displayed his foreign policy acumen as did his statement that it would be "a profound mistake for us to use nuclear weapons in any circumstance" talking about the GWOT in the ME.

Then again, perhaps you were being sarcastic. Hopefully.

kchand writes: Wednesday, August, 22, 2007 2:04 PM
reynoldssu
I believe Rudy should have a Southerner or Westerner on the ticket. Two very blue New England states just isn't broad enough.
Thaale writes: Wednesday, August, 22, 2007 1:59 PM
Fun with stats
"Also, the most recent national polls show Romney in the 14% range, only a dozen or so points behind Rudy."

The most recent Rasmussen poll (also the most recent national poll, period, on RCP) shows Rudy 29%, Romney 13%. And 16% isn't Romney's greatest deficit. He trails Rudy by 18% in Gallup and 19% in Cook. Though he only trails by "about a dozen" (11%) in ARG, which is usually discounted here.

"According to Rasmussen (the one pollster I really trust), Romney has hit 10% on South Carolina and only trails Fred by 13 points there."

"Has hit"? It's the first Rasmussen poll of SC. Hard to present 10% as a rise or a fall until there's some context. 10% is slightly higher than the most recent ARG and CNN polls (though lower than Mitt's 11% in Mason-Dixon in June), but those polls included Gingrich, which the recent Ras poll does not.

And more important, Romney doesn't (just) trail Fred by 13. He also trails Rudy by 11 and McCain by 4. Huckabee's as close to Romney as Romney is to McCain - and that's just the races for 3rd and 4th!

"Mitt was at 3% in March’s Gallup poll. That seems like a long time ago."

He was also at 10% in Ras in March, and at 11% in Time. In fact, in the April 5 Rasmussen poll, Romney was at 12%. Now he's at 13% in the same poll - and the April Ras poll included Gingrich at 8%, who is no longer one of the choices.

So in 4½ months, with McCain self-destructing and Ginrich being dropped from the polling, Romney rose one whole point in Rasmussen.

Why pick the outlying low 3% USA Today/Gallup poll from March 25, when there are legions of other polls that showed Romney at double digits as far back as January? But if you're going to cherry-pick the single lowest poll result Romney achieved in the most recent 100 polls back through March, then you should compare that 3% result to the most recent USA Today/Gallup poll, which shows Mitt at 6%.
Thaale writes: Wednesday, August, 22, 2007 1:23 PM
Not a bad summary
That’s the state of the race right now. But does anyone really think there won’t be several more waves before things start to really matter in Jan? True, Thompson was at a local peak six weeks back – that doesn’t mean he won’t have more local peaks and valleys.

I for one still think McCain will have an important role to play. I agree he likely can’t win the nomination, but he has enough support to significantly affect the various outcomes. He has rebounded somewhat from his June nadir – and if the voters can forgive you by August for May and June amnesty idiocy, they can certainly forget/forgive even more by January. And contra the wishful thinking that’s been displayed at times, McCain is not dropping out any time soon.

The race is becoming more and more fluid in one respect: the constantly shifting election dates. That can only help Rudy and Hillary, who poll consistently well in every state (it’s rare to see a state where either is lower than second). The candidates whose campaigns depend on trying to drum up support in each state one at a time in an orderly fashion are going to be completely wrong-footed when the order shifts.
KGK writes: Wednesday, August, 22, 2007 1:16 PM
The winner?
LOOK, we can go on an on about Mitt , Fred et al. But, until Fred actually takes a step, the race is still muddy. But,, but, in Ras, RCP, Zog. Rudy is the only one so far that can win nationally. Sure, Mitt has nice numbers in small state straws, some caucus areas but where will he be in the large states nationally? So far, he is still way behind Rudy in those serious state primaries. Mitt so far cannot win in Ca., NJ, Pa., Ohio, Mich., Minn. but Rudy has a chance in all of those states according to polls in those states. So let us wait till after Fred makes up his mind and then support the Pub nominee. Staying out of the race dooms us to Hillary. Read Tony Blankely today on Hil and Obama and their lack of experience and serious policies. See that what they do stand for takes us down the road of more socialism and pacifism. And all the nonsense that Dems and Pubs are just the same is just that, nonsense. Apparently, many posters here are still in their infancy when understanding political realities. Punishing the Pubs to make them change, works in special issue campaigns but not nationally. It only elects liberal Dems.
reynoldssu writes: Wednesday, August, 22, 2007 1:14 PM
Unless...
Unless Fred gets in soon and starts performing at least moderately well toward the high expectations that have been set for him then I think the ticket will set up like new cement at high noon: Giuliani/Romney.

Giuliani will be President, Romney will be Vice President -- and I forecast a prominant position for Duncan Hunter in that administration as Director of Homeland Security, or something of that nature.

I can't say Hillary will do as badly as Mondale, but she will not do as well as either Gore or Kerry.

kchand writes: Wednesday, August, 22, 2007 1:14 PM
Fred
just does not display the 'fire in the belly'. This will be a VERY TOUGH, grueling 14 months. Those not COMPLETELY committed will get run over. A few speeches by Fred doesn't cut it. I also don't see a ramped up, effective campaign staff and strategy.

My expectation is he will flame out rather quickly.
kchand writes: Wednesday, August, 22, 2007 1:07 PM
Why?
jtb writes: "I may just sit out in 2008. It really looks like there won't be any good choices."

Great move. This is a vote for Hillary. I'm sure she will wholeheartedly support ALL your positions.

GEEZZZZZ!
Scott writes: Wednesday, August, 22, 2007 1:04 PM
Irish,
No, I have not looked at Zogby. Zogby predicted John Kerry's victory right up to the very last day of the campaign. He might be stupid, but most conservatives think he is a liberal shill.

Like Dean, Rasmussen's numbers are the ones I trust the most. The last Rasmussen numbers I saw showed a bump for Romney, but it appears to be returning to normal. Romney seems to go up only as McCain goes down.

Fred is still 23%, Rudy still 26%, Romney at 13%, McCain at 12%.

You got the jtb response right. Even if we don't like the candidates, there really is a difference. If you don't believe it, look at what happened in 2006, when the Republicans stayed home.

Cella, glad to see you have your priorities right. I'm sure the First Lady will have a huge impact on tax and economic policy, military spending, and foreign policy. You might also mention Fred's affinity for brown Gucci loafers. That's a really big issue, too. What if the French think brown is sooooo passe?
BarrySanders20 writes: Wednesday, August, 22, 2007 1:03 PM
Nice Analysis
Dean nailed this one. It's Hillary vs. one of the three of Rudy/Fred/Mitt, and that has been true since very early this year. I like all three of the R candidates.

I lean Fred, but agree he needs to get serious soon. If Fred gets moving and is the kind of candidate I think he will be, he presents an interesting contrast to the other choice, Hill. But I am not sure Fred could turn any of the blue states, except maybe NH and Wisconsin. That means he cannot lose either OH or Florida.

I think Rudy provides the most difficult matchup for Hillary because he puts pressure on the D's in some blue states that W could never compete in. If he could turn a few of those, the D's are in deep hurt. Fred probably runs better in the midwest (including OH and Michigan) and west than Rudy, but Rudy definitely runs better on the coasts and PA. Enough to make a difference? Who knows.

Mitt probably would be the most competent executive. I am worried about electability, though.

Condi? Won't happen.
Irish Right writes: Wednesday, August, 22, 2007 12:59 PM
Condi?????
I respect Ms. Rice as much as anyone. However, you've named one of the few people that could truly mobilize the nutroots. Two of the possibilities who would more so would be Dick Cheney and Don Rumsfeld.

She would make a great Sec of State under any Republican President. Not to mention, a heck of a sports commissioner.
kchand writes: Wednesday, August, 22, 2007 12:58 PM
I had to laugh
watching Bill Mahr on O'Reilly last night. He is still on the Con Edwards (The Silk Pony) band wagon.

He honestly believed that Edwards had a great chance in the GENERAL election. He also insisted that Edwards was not a 'lefty'.

No doubt the drugs have caused some permanent brain damage there.
Eichendorff writes: Wednesday, August, 22, 2007 12:58 PM
Ex-tex
If the nominee turns out not to be Fred, I will enjoy watching you stuff your hat into your mouth.
Eichendorff writes: Wednesday, August, 22, 2007 12:57 PM
Well...
Condoleeza Rice has repeatedly said she will not run for president. Of course, she could change her mind, as many have done in the past, but I haven't yet seen any indication that she would.

She could, however, be a significant asset as a vice-presidential running mate. She just might neutralize Hillary's femaleness and Barack's African Americanness. She's from the South, she speaks Russian, and she plays a mean piano. An accomplished and dignified lady like her would bring a lot of positives to the Republican ticket.
Ex-tex writes: Wednesday, August, 22, 2007 12:53 PM
Dean, Dean, Dean, how kin you be so...
Wrong?!

Fred ain't squandered nuthin. Either by accident or design- he's played this brilliantly!
I know it makes you Romney supporters nuts, but the nominee will be Fred.
Irish Right writes: Wednesday, August, 22, 2007 12:51 PM
A couple of observations ...
Hal writes:
Maybe Romney's numbers in Iowa are a lot higher than Rudy's because he's advertised heavily there. Just a guess...

Why, this is certainly a revelation to me. Who would have thunk that a candidate would take donations and actually *spend* them to get people to know what he stands for. Imagine that ... Instead of implying that there is something at least marginally shady about doing that, can't we appreciate someone who had made a plan and worked the plan ... successfully?

jtb-in-texas writes:
... I may just sit out in 2008. It really looks like there won't be any good choices.

jtb, that is exactly what the Dems hope you do. If you can honestly say that Neither Mitt nor Rudy nor Fred is a better choice than Lady Hil, then you should vote for her. This country wasn't founded on the idea of a "perfect leader", simply the best of the choices available. Would you choose 8 more years of Clinton? I still blame myself for drinking the Perot Kool-Aid. Most of us knew that Bush Sr. was a better choice than Slick Willy, but he wasn't the "perfect candidate". As a result, we got Billy. Are you looking for a repeat?

finally, for Scott ...

Have you looked at the latest Zogby Iowa poll?
Cris writes: Wednesday, August, 22, 2007 12:45 PM
Secretary Rice can enter 2008 too!!
One of the most dramatic polls lately was AP/IPSOS showing that when asked to rank the Republican field (Rudy, Mitt, Fred, and McCain) it was NONE OF THE ABOVE who won the top rank at 23%. That means, obviously, that of the 4 named fellows, there is still an open door of opportunity for Secretary of State Rice to enter later as well.

Why? Foreign policy has been debated by the Democrats, trying to create the image that diplomacy under the Bush Administration has failed. But if anyone watched Secretary Rice during the interviews in August, they would know that is not true. Secretary Rice is working hard for our nation, putting pressure on N Korea, bringing together Olmert and Abbas along with the Arab League members to resolve Middle East issues.
Diplomacy, support of the 2nd Amendment, and defending our nation are the reasons I support her.

Our group, Think Condi, will be at the Midwestern Leadership Conference in Indiana. In May, it was reported that 50% of the likely Republican caucus voters of Iowa want Secretary Rice to enter the 2008 race. We are building a team across the nation to lay the foundation for her to walk upon as late as January 2008.
cella writes: Wednesday, August, 22, 2007 12:43 PM
The Race
My choice from the beginning has been Mitt Romney.
The importance of first lady keeps creeping into my thinking.
Can you imagine Rudy's wife in that role?
Not on your life!
Fred Thompson just looks old and tired.
The presidency has passed him by.
And his wife in the White House?
Another "not on your life".
But Mrs. Romney - now there's a first lady.
Jimbo writes: Wednesday, August, 22, 2007 12:40 PM
Romney Rising
There's a certain dynamic that I believe will ultimately undo Fred.

The people supporting Fred, in my conversations, view themselves as the party purists. After all, all the present candidates are much too flawed to support--so they're waiting to jump behind Fred. As soon as Fred leaves the reservation on some issue, something I guarrantee he'll do within two months of entering, he'll tumble quickly, as the purists will tolerate no waywardness. Disillusionment sometimes takes a while to kick in, but once it does it contaminates whole swathes of people quickly. Look at Howard Dean.
PDS writes: Wednesday, August, 22, 2007 12:35 PM
Fred T.
I was at a fund raiser for him a few nights ago. Assuming he can learn the guts and intricacies of his positions, he is going to be formidable at the debates and elsewhere.

The way he is going to thread the needle that tends to divide conservatives is by being an old fashioned, pre-Rovian conservative, i.e., by talking about federalism, and meaning it.
Dread writes: Wednesday, August, 22, 2007 12:30 PM
Re: Obama and Ames
"Obama is a lazy thinker prone to misstatements"

Oh come now, that never disqualified our current Dear Leader. Obama just needs to find his own Karl Rove, and then we can all have four more years of an inexperienced, big-spending, big-government, left-of-center president who makes entertaining gaffes.

Re: "Ames"

Interesting. Didn't I read not a day after Ames on this very blog that it wasn't that important?
TruthToBeTold writes: Wednesday, August, 22, 2007 12:22 PM
Dumocrats are smart?
I don't think there are any Dumocrats who are smart, because if they were really smart, they wouldn't be Dumocrats, they would be conservatives. They may seem smart, but it is only a superficial "smartness" without any actual intellectual depth. Since they go by their feelings and base their ideas on what feels good, they never have any substance to back up the platitudes that they mouth. Case in point, what has the Dumocrat Congress done since January that had any significant import to running this country? Oh, that's right, they passed the minimum wage increase which affected something like 1.7% of Americans. What have they done for the other 98%?
jtb-in-texas writes: Wednesday, August, 22, 2007 12:14 PM
I'm afraid I'm not content with
the "top tier" candidates. Like McCain, they were all selected by MSM. Like McCain, I cannot vote for them.

I know DB and HH like Mitt. And he "seems like a personable fella"; but, he was elected governor by the same folks who keep sending Kerry and Kennedy back to the Senate. I cannot trust him. His religion is irrelevant to me; but his flip-flopping "ain't"...

Rudy is another problem. I see him as worse than Hillary. He holds basically the same positions as her (gun control, stem cell funding, abortion funding, amnesty, tc.); but he calls himself a Conservative. All Rudy can do is shif the "center" to the left...

McCain is dead to me. Amnesty (twice! 2007 and 2007), Miranda Rights for foreign terrorists caught on a battlefield in a foreign country, Campaign Finance Reform that muzzles free speech, and the list goes on.

I like Fred; but I don't know enough about him.

I like Duncan Hunter; but not enough so-called "Conservatives" are supporting him. Or the Fence.

I may just sit out in 2008. It really looks like there won't be any good choices.
Hal writes: Wednesday, August, 22, 2007 12:09 PM
Maybe
Romney's numbers in Iowa are a lot higher than Rudy's because he's advertised heavily there. Just a guess...
Scott writes: Wednesday, August, 22, 2007 12:08 PM
"Fred soaring seems increasingly
unlikely..."

You hope. Mitt got a 3 point bump with Ames, but that has slipped back. Huckabee's great win? Not real traction there.

Overall, things in the Republican camp are stagnant. Waiting for Thompson? We will see.
headhunt23 writes: Wednesday, August, 22, 2007 12:01 PM
Wrong Side is Unhappy
the wrong party is unhappy with its nominees...the Dems are all so happy with their HRC and Obama line up, and laughing at the Republicans. The Rs are dragging their feet, hoping to be able to hold their nose and vote for one of our "deeply flawed" candidates.

Yet, in a general election, I can't see any of the Dems top tier winning. HRC is not going to be elected POTUS, unless the Rep nominee does something completely stupid. I don't care how in the tank the media acts for HRC, she isn't going to beat Rudy, Mitt or Fred. Obama, a little better chance, but still not realistic.

The Rs will still rule the executive branch roost come Febuary, 2009.
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needless descent into the gutter
 Re: Twenty lessons your teenage daughter will learn from the Twilight movies
  By dreadnaught
jay---you are right.
 Re: Past Two Weeks Has Seen Increased Support For More Troops In Afghanistan
  By clarityseeker
Eugene 3
 Re: Here Comes the Judge?
  By Jo
Eugene 2
 Re: Here Comes the Judge?
  By Jo
Eugene 1
 Re: Here Comes the Judge?
  By Jo
Journalistic Standards
 Re: ACORN and "Journalistic Standards"
  By Robert
Liberals and Leftists...those who belong
 Re: ACORN and "Journalistic Standards"
  By clarityseeker
And this story further reveals...
 Re: ACORN and "Journalistic Standards"
  By clarityseeker
Seadawg...Wouldn't It Be Refreshing If
 Re: Shocker: Palin #1
  By NeoConScum
Carol---thank you for this...
 Re: ACORN and "Journalistic Standards"
  By clarityseeker
Where are the Republican Leaders?
 Re: Past Two Weeks Has Seen Increased Support For More Troops In Afghanistan
  By jay
NOT To Worry, Lefties...The No-Agenda
 Re: ACORN and "Journalistic Standards"
  By NeoConScum
Grace
 Re: Shocker: Palin #1
  By Seadog
GO, Sarah...!
 Re: Shocker: Palin #1
  By NeoConScum
What are you afraid of?
 Re: The 9/11 Never Forget Coalition Announces NYC Terror Trials Protest
  By Darrell
E-mails
 Re: Weather Channel Founder & 30,000 Other Scientists Want to Sue Al Gore for Global Warming Fraud
  By Adam
little eugene
 Re: Shocker: Palin #1
  By zeke proctor
Speaking of Palin
 Re: ACORN and "Journalistic Standards"
  By Careful with that axe, Eugene
The drive-by's are owned.
 Re: ACORN and "Journalistic Standards"
  By Joycey
You do make one interesting point.
 Re: Here Comes the Judge?
  By Careful with that axe, Eugene

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