Thursday, July 02, 2009
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Why Do They Hate Her?
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Posted by:
Carol Platt Liebau at
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Jim Geraghty has some interesting insights about why liberals hate Sarah Palin so much -- in a word (or so), it's because she invalidates the most cherished parts of their world view.
I think Jim's right, but I think there's even more to it than that. Governor Palin has been attacked with the kind of ferocity that few people in the public eye have ever experienced -- except, perhaps, for Justice Thomas and (to a lesser extent) Joe the Plumber. Why does the left reserve their most vicious derision for these three, and those like them? As I wrote last fall in a Townhall column:
Justice Thomas, Governor Palin and Joe the Plumber have one thing in common: Their lives make a mockery of the Democrat Party’s raison d’etre – its foundational assertion that minorities, women and “regular guys” can get a “fair shake” in America only through government action. What’s more, all three of them have made it clear that they don’t want the government’s “help.” For that apostasy, and for their sheer ingratitude – after all, aren’t the Democrats the ones who “care” about blacks, women and “working men”? – the left has tried to destroy them.
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It's complicated and there are several reasons for her hate. In no particular order. I like Mrs Palin so my wife hates her. Mrs Palin is a conservative so all the cheap demeaning stereotypes the left has about Conservatives comes into play. Mrs Palin is from Alaska therefor she needs to be asked during an interview what newspapers she reads. Libs like my wife think meat comes from the supermarket
or a restaurant. Last but not least Arrogance. Arrogance that they
are the better people, kinder, smarter etc , etc. They think Mrs Palin is the direct opposite to them, they are smart so therefore she is stupid. Last of all she hates her because all her Lib friends hate her
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If you look at the unemployment figures, headway was made in 34,35, and 36. the inflection was FDR's premature attempt to withdraw the stimulus. this strangled the recovery, and the economy did not really recover until that "public works project known as World War II."
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Actually, FDR caused the Depression to last 7 years longer than it should have, Government intervention prevented the private sector from working it's way out.
FDR was not a fan of the "private sector" and in additon, his actions against the private sector was deemed unconstitutional by the courts. Only then did the recovery truely take place.
We are going to repeat this mistake and will be talking about this for another 5-10 years. This economy is nowhere near as bad as the Dression. |
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Droolie :"It's interesting that you used the word NOW. Could you state what the National Organization for Women (NOW) has actually done for women?
As a woman, I don't feel that NOW represents me, or my daughter, at all."
Me- Actually, it's interesting. I think the feminist movement became irrelevent in the 1980's, about the time it teamed up with the religious right to fight Porn...
then everyone just concluded they were kind of silly...
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Stage 1- Denial "Sarah hasn't copped out of politics! She's doing a clever plan to emerge on the national scene."
Stage 2- Anger- "YOu damned liberals drove her out of politics with your attacks on her family."
Stage 3- Bargaining- "Oh, please come back, Sarah. We'll give to SarahPac!"
Stage 4- Depression- When they figure out she ain't coming back.
Stage 5- Acceptance- They find some other RW bible thumping Moron to support. |
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No disagreement on Smoot-Hawley. But Smoot was not a Keynesian measure. It was an "America First" measure.
FDR's campaign against Hoover was from all directions. Race was his to lose and so he ran a cautious campaign that did not run the risk of alienating constituencies that might be angered by an attack on the old nostrums. So, among other things, FDR ridiculed Hoover for deficit spending.
The winter of 33 changed the dynamic.
If you look at the unemployment figures, headway was made in 34,35, and 36. the inflection was FDR's premature attempt to withdraw the stimulus. this strangled the recovery, and the economy did not really recover until that "public works project known as World War II."
the deflationary crisis of the 1930s was a secular crisis of confidence. too many people had lost serious wealth for organic transition to the next round of growth and expansion. private investors were not in the mood to cast their bread into water. that market in itself was not going to excavate a way out--or rather, it was going to take years and even decades.
leadership was needed to restore confidence. that leadership did an adequate job with imperfect information until the missteps of 37 and 38. |
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Thanks! Can't wait to read that.
The writings of Jared Diamond and Thomas Sowell are also very worthwhile. |
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Would be interested. I'll look for it. There is an older book, which I don't know if it is still in print..titled: People-Reading by Dr. Ernst G. Beier and Evans G. Valens. Goes through the whole gamit.."How we control others, How they control us". One interesting chapter is "Developing a problem can be a solution". The second printing was done in 1975...Stein & Day were the publishers. |
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You might enjoy Diana West's book, Death of the Grownup.
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Sarah Palin, irrelevant? Please.
It's interesting that you used the word NOW. Could you state what the National Organization for Women (NOW) has actually done for women?
As a woman, I don't feel that NOW represents me, or my daughter, at all. |
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Still, I never forgot that feeling of being the underdog. The last one picked for the kickball team. The smallest kid in the class.
But I would never use any of that as an excuse to be a bully now.
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Yes, that's because you grew up and were relatively stable pyschologically. Most kids go through the trauma of growing up...smallest kid, biggest kid, fattest kid, gawky kid. Funny how all that changes as we get older.
Find that will sometimes make you stronger to endure "life". To much coddle today. Kids are weak. We try to keep so many germs out that we hurt the child's immune system.
Same thing applies to your mental state. Sometimes tough times make you stronger. Your parents recognized that and became successful.
Intersting to observe adults...even on this Blog interact to see where they came from and where they are going. |
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You might be right about Munck, but in my own experience, it is the bullies in childhood who grow up to be ineffective jerks.
My parents were both "nerds" in high school, now they are sitting pretty in retirement.
I was not a nerd after grade 9, but looking back, I wish I had been one. My family moved my sophomore year, and in our new town I was suddenly "popular". It was a shock!
Still, I never forgot that feeling of being the underdog. The last one picked for the kickball team. The smallest kid in the class.
But I would never use any of that as an excuse to be a bully now. |
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the original point of this thread is why people hate the NOW IRRELEVENT Sarah Palin... In short, the thread lasted longer than the subject. She's toast.
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You mean why the LIBS hate Sarah Palin. I guess after looking at the Lib women, I would say jealousy for the most part. |
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Come on, man up, admit you stole someone else's work, and be done with it...
the original point of this thread is why people hate the NOW IRRELEVENT Sarah Palin... In short, the thread lasted longer than the subject. She's toast. |
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Axe is as bad as Munck. Sometimes I think they are the same deranged individual. They sure sound alike. |
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No, I won't feel sorry for him. Seems he was probably the playground bully, then got shot down later.
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Naa, I just picture this weenie as a bully. He was the definite "picked on guy" and now has a computer to hide behind for that bravery! |
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You Marxist Socialists are losing it. Can't win an argument so you alledge someone stole something. I think someone stole your minds.
Try to stay on point here or did you forget the subject matter of this thread? |
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You stole someone else's work and tried to pass it off as your own.
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Gimme a fkn break! You don't give a sh!t about this. You just want to take Muncky's side. I stole NOTHING! I never said that I wrote the article nor did I take credit for it. I did exactly what Munck did...copy from the first article in Google.
Is this the best you got? Bwahahahahahahahahaha!
What have you written? |
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I was picked on as a kid. Weren't most people?
That's no excuse for Munck. No, I won't feel sorry for him. Seems he was probably the playground bully, then got shot down later. |
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You stole someone else's work and tried to pass it off as your own.
As a writer myself, I can't think of anything more offensive or wrong. Okay, what the guy you stole from was spouting was total BS, nonsense garbage, but it was HIS BS, Nonsense garbage.
Then again, most of your posts are like this. You repeats something you read, and then repeat it ad naseum, with no critical thinking... |
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Munck is one of those guys who's "a legend in his own mind". Can't act like an adult so he plays at being bigger than he is. The guy has a mental issue. I think it may stem from being picked on when he was a child. Now he's trying to overcompensate.
Maybe we just ought to feel sorry for him! |
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Munck is too old to grow up.
He is either completely senile, or getting paid to be a jerk. |
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"You copied over a statistics of someone else's work and published them under your sig"
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"Absolutely true. Munck is a fake and a liar."
Now Munkyboy, you really need to quit being the self-proclaimed "blog" police and grow up.
Either make a point or S-T-F-U! Nobody likes a person who looks for other peoples mistakes intentional or not. You apparently feel the need to call people names and put them down. That's sick. You need to look in the mirror and realize that you are extremely lucky to be hiding behind the keyboard. Real life would be harse on you.
You can ramble on about this incident until you pee your pants again.
But here's the point...nothing that you say matters. So get a life.
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"You copied over a statistics of someone else's work and published them under your sig"
No, I didn't. I found numbers on the web, consolidated them, and wrote my own text about them. Nothing dishonest about that. You copied-and-pasted a very large amount of text written by someone else, completely verbatim, and tried to pass it off as your own work.
You undoubtedly realize by now that what you did was wrong; your many and varied attempts to make excuses and to turn the accusation around at me are proof of that, and you've seen the comments from several other people telling you the same thing. I can only hope you've learned a lesson from this exchange: don't steal other people's work.
I have to say, BK, that your reactions and responses have been those of a spoiled child. Try to conduct yourself with some dignity in the future. |
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You never said it wasn't. You copied over a thousand words of someone else's text and published them under your sig. without any hint of acknowledgment that they had written it and you hadn't. That's plagiarism, pure and simple; it's lazy and it's dishonest. You would be thrown out of any university in the country, fired by any newspaper.
You claim to own a business; I'm certain any customers you might have would want to know about your level of dishonesty, so they could go somewhere else.
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Bwahahahahahahahaha! Snore......Just doin what you be doin there Munkyboy....and this is for you as well:
Bob Munck:
You copied over a statistics of someone else's work and published them under your sig. without any hint of acknowledgment that they had researched it and you hadn't. That's plagiarism, pure and simple; it's lazy and it's dishonest. You would be thrown out of any university in the country, fired by any newspaper.
Now I didn't and don't work for any newspaper or University but you did. So:
I'm certain any place that you worked would want to know about your level of dishonesty, so they could go somewhere else.
Munckyboy...you are one fk'd up dipsh!t.
Like I said, if this Blog was a house I would have thrown your a $$ out onto the street.
Bwahahahahahahahahahaha!
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"Never said that this my work"
You never said it wasn't. You copied over a thousand words of someone else's text and published them under your sig. without any hint of acknowledgment that they had written it and you hadn't. That's plagiarism, pure and simple; it's lazy and it's dishonest. You would be thrown out of any university in the country, fired by any newspaper.
You claim to own a business; I'm certain any customers you might have would want to know about your level of dishonesty, so they could go somewhere else. |
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and see that you've spanked the wimpy, fraudulent Monkey Boy. Doesn't his scrawny finger wag...well...just like the pomposity-bloviemeister(PL)..?! |
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I don't know about you, but I go about cherishing my world view every day.
"Oh, my! world view, you look fetching today! Might I say! I cherish you! Let me build a shrine and light a candle, quick!"
Oh, wait, that's cherished parts.
"Oh my! world view, your view from behind is just so delicious. And the top down view? Just breath taking. I soooooooooooo cherish you! I want to worship your parts, one day per part baby!"
LOL
Off your nut, you are. Leave the psychoanalysis to those who actually understand psychology.
Sarah Palin is George Bush. She is a replacement, nothing more. Those who hated Bush in part transferred that hatred on Palin as Bush was leaving. When she leaves the national scene the haters on the left will move on. Just as when Clinton left office, Republicans went after Kennedy and Franks, etc.
There really is nothing new here. Politics is a blood sport, more so lately, and Palin's political blood is just the latest in a long string of left wing political attacks. Just as people on this site attack Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Barak Obama, etc.
/* snicker on */
But I suppose lefties hated Bush because he threatened their world view too with his "compassionate conservatism" and support for the Latin community.
/* snicker off */
Hey Carol, you should read up on the concept of "desconstruction" and the pit falls therein.
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Never said that this my work...Muncky did. Very easy to google the first source and list it. Even he admitted that this is where he got the info and info that he used. You didn't honestly believe that I wrote that info, did you? This is just a forum and not a University or newpspaer for God's sake.
He cited the source and I never said no that's not his work. I also never said according to my research, here's what I discovered. I also never challenged him on his stats or others who post here. Time to grow up here. IT'S A BLOG!
Much to do about nothing. The problem with Muncky is that this appears to be his sole purpose in life. He waits until someone posts something and they says..."That's stupid or you're stupid".
Nope, Muncky is a waste of time and is just a blowhard. If this blog was a house, he would have been thrown out by the seat of his pants along time ago.
Sin? Holy moly. You can't be serious.
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i am honestly surprised at you. Munck is right, here. sourcing is about respecting property.
like you, i don't always bat 1.000 in this regard, although i try. one is not entitled to draw from other sources without citation--else folks might get the idea that you thought of it. that's wrong. that's disrespectful. while these threads are not formal, even in casual conversation, that rule applies. and i cannot believe your posturing as though the problem is Munck.
acknowledge your sin and get on with it.
Happy Fourth, everyone. God Bless Freedom. God Bless the Founders. And God Bless America!
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I did develop the list of numbers; I gathered it from web sources
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You did? What sources? You said that you were a Mathmatician....uhmmmm.
Let's see, you are writing a paper for your thesis..or a comic book, whichever you did and you cite a list of statistics to justify your article....you
1) list your source in the footnotes
2) list your source in the bib
3) don't list your source claiming that it was you who developed the stats
4) don't list the stats and basically ask your neighbor as he is walking down the road for his opinion and don't state that these were made up numbers.
Which is it Muncky man?.....Nope, you a fraud. You also a liar.
Now don't be jealous..it's not your fault that you didn't have the set to put your money where your mouth was and chose to live at the trough.
Now go count your fingers and toes again! Bwahahahahahahaha! |
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"Tried to make it seem like you developed those numbers? Plagerism!!! Stolen!!!!!"
I did develop the list of numbers; I gathered it from web sources. You really don't know what constitutes plagiarism, do you? They used to teach that lesson in high school or earlier, but you must have been absent that day.
"What did I do with my life...I put it on the line and started my own two businesses...2 Corporations with 30 employees."
Given that this whole thread is based on your inability to be honest, why should we believe that? Sounds like the daydreams of a teenager. Let's see some proof. |
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googled "obama crowd" and grabbed numbers from the first few dozen responses.
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"grabbed numbers"? Without revealing the source? Tried to make it seem like you developed those numbers? Plagerism!!! Stolen!!!!!
Sorry sucker....you just another big mouth with a keyboard.
Just look how stupid you look. Doesn't matter if it's numbers, writings, etc....If you are going to accuse better be sure that you don't do the same.
What did I do with my life...I put it on the line and started my own two businesses...2 Corporations with 30 employees.
Now I can buy and sell you. Bwahahahahahaha!
Now don't waste my time with your drivel. |
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"Show me the source for your statistics on Obama attendance numbers."
I googled "obama crowd" and grabbed numbers from the first few dozen responses.
You apparently don't know what the word "plagiarism" means. Or the word "honesty."
So what have you accomplished in your life? Try to restrict your list to things that WEREN'T stolen from others. |
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SofTech, Unisys, MITRE were all private corporations; I spent 22 years working for them. As for producing something, tens of thousands of Navy computers run on an operating system that I wrote, and modern sonar systems use an architecture I designed. Also, we invented hypertext, basis of the WWW.
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Sure you did! Bwahahahahahahaha! You and Gore invented the internet! Bwahahahahahahahahahaha!
You wanteds to get lost in the University system of tenure where you could sleep in your office all day where nobody missed you.
You're accusing me of plagiarism? Where and when? Be specific.
I already told you that...you can't read either. Show me the source for your statistics on Obama attendance numbers. |
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"Now that you are up to "9", you should be a little concerned about running out of fingers and toes."
I'm a computer scientist; I can count up to 1023 (2¹º-1) on my fingers and 1,048,575 (2²º-1) on my fingers and toes.
"Ya see most of us work in the private sector...we have to actually produce something unlike you sucka $$'s."
SofTech, Unisys, MITRE were all private corporations; I spent 22 years working for them. As for producing something, tens of thousands of Navy computers run on an operating system that I wrote, and modern sonar systems use an architecture I designed. Also, we invented hypertext, basis of the WWW.
"I haven't done anything posting here that you also haven't already done."
You're accusing me of plagiarism? Where and when? Be specific. |
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I'll take that as just your opinion but Munckyboy has done the exact same thing as I have. Mr Munck basically reminds me of those childish "tattle-tales" in school who can't wait to tell the teacher about what one of their fellow students did...only later to have their a $$ beat after school.
Just another whiner with no purpose.
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I was on the faculty at Brown in the 60's and 70's, Trondheim in the early 80's, and Virginia Tech in the 90's. Total of about ten years, most of it at Brown. We didn't have a computer science department at first, so my appointment was in the Department of Applied Mathematics until we got our own department. The rest of the time I worked for the government -- NRL, DARPA -- and for contractors -- MITRE, Unisys, SofTech.
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Now that you are up to "9", you should be a little concerned about running out of fingers and toes.
I figured you worked at a University. Ya see most of us work in the private sector...we have to actually produce something unlike you sucka $$'s. You guys afraid to have to actually do something and can hide behind the fact that you can lord it over students who have yet to figure out how much BS you guys shovel.
Don't cry though, I haven't done anything posting here that you also haven't already done.
Now you can go have your holiday Leech! |
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YOu know, I used to have more respect for you than I had for the likes of Neo and DTOM, who come here and say nothing but what idiots they are, but Bob is making a "Muncky" out of you, really.
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"Very simply Munckyman, nobody takes you serious."
And yet you've addressed NINE comments to me attempting to justify your stealing extensive chunks of text from a 16-year-old and passing it off as your own.
"Answer me a question mathmatician, did you work at a University?"
I was on the faculty at Brown in the 60's and 70's, Trondheim in the early 80's, and Virginia Tech in the 90's. Total of about ten years, most of it at Brown. We didn't have a computer science department at first, so my appointment was in the Department of Applied Mathematics until we got our own department. The rest of the time I worked for the government -- NRL, DARPA -- and for contractors -- MITRE, Unisys, SofTech.
How about yourself? Still in high school? |
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Very simply Munckyman, nobody takes you serious. You simply a joke. Nothing but a Big Mouth with a keyboard. Answer me a question mathmatician, did you work at a University? |
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Bob Munck writes: Saturday, July, 04, 2009 12:23 AM
BK 12:15 AM
"Stop Thief!"
Whoops, eight going for nine. And getting more bizarre all the time. You must really be embarrassed at getting caught.
Arch says
Munck! Speaking of getting caught. Did you know that your buddy Vlad has another buddy named Lucky Pozzo? Sure you did! I told you so and you defended him and attempted to condemn me as a liar.
Well surprise! He is caught redhanded in a lie right here on this forum! You better choose your buddies more carefully right Munk? |
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"Stop Thief!"
Whoops, eight going for nine. And getting more bizarre all the time. You must really be embarrassed at getting caught. |
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"I never did YOU DID. Funny..nobody else thought that but you."
You're claiming that I attempted to make people think you'd authored that material? In what way?
See, this is why you had to steal; you can't express a coherent thought. How much else have you copied from others and passed off as your own?
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Bob Munck writes: Thursday, July, 02, 2009 10:31 PM
Allen Caeden 9:36 PM
"Really so at what event while on the campaign trail did Dumbo draw a crowd of 200,000 people?"
A million or two at the Inauguration, 100,000 in St. Louis, 75,000 in Kansas City, 150,000 in Denver, 45,000 in Fort Collins, Colorado, 50,000 in Albuquerque, 200,000 in Berlin, 75,000 in Portland, 150,000 in Prague, 50,000 in Philadelphia, 60,000 in Columbus, 80,000 in Cleveland. Obama and Palin had rallies in Des Moines on successive weekends in October; Obama drew 25,000, Palin got 10,000.
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Did Munck perform these estimates? Are these numbers accurate? Where did Munck get these numbers? Why I think that Munck stole these numbers and wants everyone to think that he was actually there and counted these people. Did he get these numbers from some source? Why would he make everyone think that HE created these numbers to justify his argument? Where's the source...where's the quote.
The Munckyman is a thief. Officer, officer arrest this plagerizer!
Oh brother...this guy IS dumb as a box of rocks!
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I'm curious; what was your REASON for attempting to make us think you'd written that material?
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I never did YOU DID. Funny..nobody else thought that but you. Munck you so full of Sh!t..except you the only one who doesn't know it. |
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That's six!
"By the way, if you want to be technical...the title says Great Depression - Pat Lib. Maybe it means that I 'Think" that he wrote it."
Ah, a whole new approach to justifying your theft of a 16-year-old kid's writing. Not an especially good one, though; no logic to it.
I'm curious; what was your REASON for attempting to make us think you'd written that material? Were you embarrassed at your own inability to write coherently?
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keeps pitching. Bwahahahahahahahahaha!
Don't need to justify anything to you sonny! Best that can be said for you is that you are a nuisance. I never made the claim that I wrote the info...YOU DID. By the way, if you want to be technical...the title says Great Depression - Pat Lib. Maybe it means that I 'Think" that he wrote it.
Now, you have been dismissed! Run along. |
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"I could always get a job for the NY Times...they hire those people."
And fire them when they're caught. As you have been.
"Comeon Munck...nobody takes you serious and nobdoy cares what you have to say. Pfffft!"
And yet you've written FIVE posts addressed to me attempting to defend your dishonesty. Care to go for six? |
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dishonesty would get you thrown out of any university in the country.
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Fortunately we aren't in a university, now are we? You did know this, right?
Wait, wait, I could always get a job for the NY Times...they hire those people. Just for your little pointy head...I didn't post "BK writes"...this blog did...oh the horrors!
Will little miss munck pee in his pants? Stay tuned folks for "Munck get's a life" (my quote).
Comeon Munck...nobody takes you serious and nobdoy cares what you have to say. Pfffft! |
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"Show me where I said that what I posted was mine! Once again...S-T-F-U!"
The posts are all headed "BK writes:" You posted the text under your name and didn't reveal that you weren't the author. That kind of dishonesty would get you thrown out of any university in the country.
"Prove what was posted was wrong!"
Why? There's no point in arguing with you; you didn't write it. It's unlikely you even understand it; that's why you had to steal from someone else. If someone is interested in discussing the material, they should get in touch with David Kretzmann or join the discussion thread on the Motley Fool site. |
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Thanks for your efforts. right now, my wife and i have to go take care of our nephews, so my brother and my sister-in-law can celebrate their anniversary.
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Have a good time and a great holiday. Grasshopper...LOL.
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Is that sufficient proof of your dishonesty?
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No it's not sh!thead! Show me where I said that what I posted was mine! Once again...S-T-F-U!
Prove what was posted was wrong!
You've got the problem sonny...so live with it. Bwahahahahahahaha! |
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Stealing is stealing, any time, any place. If you're unable to be honest, why should anyone listen to anything you say?
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Then you gotta a problem don't ya bunky. As I said, facts is facts...prove them wrong or S-T-F-U!
I really don't care what you think. Watching you post, it is obvious to most people here that you are a legend in your own mind. People simply reply to you for entertainment purposes.
Does it matter if you listen (er that would be reading as you can't really hear anything that I or anyone else actually says).
Get a life Munck...if that's the best you can do is challenge whether I went on google to post facts, then you need some mental help son! |
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"This is blog, you blithering idiot. It's not a paper to be published"
Stealing is stealing, any time, any place. If you're unable to be honest, why should anyone listen to anything you say? |
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LR-BO and Loathsome Pig(*MCL)are in a dead heat race to like see which can prove themselves like the MOST ridiculous airhead compulsive windbag poster of them ALL!
It's a TIE! Anyone like surprised..? Naw, didn't think so. Squalid candidates for Most Life Deprived Squalid Loser.
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My parents did.
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Yup, my parents did too. You're still wrong. |
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So you wanted everyone to think that you'd actually written all that text? We all realized that you're not capable of that level of writing. That's why you have to steal. I guess IOKIYAR.
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This is blog, you blithering idiot. It's not a paper to be published. Have something contrary...post it...otherwise, once again...
S-T-F-U!
Like anyone has to prove anything to you. It's mind over matter..."I don't mind and you don't matter".
Now call your nurse or your mother, your time on the computer has ended. |
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You say,
Me- Actually, I posted exit polling, which proved that a lot of people who call themselves"Conservative" voted for Obama.
I say, I suppose some that call themselves moderates are really Marxists like you . |
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You didn't live through that era, so what do you know! You're simply WRONG!
My parents did. And my father was so Republican that he supported Nixon years after he resigned.
My dad in 1980..."Hey, Nixon could run again."
Me- "Right, Dad." |
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The Great Depression would have been an ordinary contraction without government involvement. The Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act, the National Recovery Administration, the Tennessee Valley Authority, and the Agricultural Adjustment Administration did nothing economically but prolong the contraction. The only benefit that can be argued rationally for the interference of government, is that it made people feel "good", while actually prolonging their misery, kind of like heroin addiction.
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"I would if I was talking to you...but I'm not so S-T-F-U!"
So you wanted everyone to think that you'd actually written all that text? We all realized that you're not capable of that level of writing. That's why you have to steal. I guess IOKIYAR.
How much of other comments you've posted has been stolen? |
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Thanks for your efforts. right now, my wife and i have to go take care of our nephews, so my brother and my sister-in-law can celebrate their anniversary.
i'll reply as time permits. back in the 1980s, when i was in my "fertile third decade," i read and re-read Joseph Schumpeter's Business Cycles. It formed the template from which i view economic evolution and capital development. while i appreciate your understanding of the policy issues in that decade, people sometimes vest laws and policies with more bite than they really have. And when a guy has a point to make--liberalism caused, or at least prolonged, the GD--there is definitely a tendency to enlarge certain events beyond the historical continuity they unfolded in.
even now, for instance, we see politically motivated people blame Fan and Fred--Democrat programs that fostered widespread home-ownership, served as a bulwark for the middle-class, and significantly enhanced social stability--for the current crisis. did Phony and Fraudie play a role? absolutely. was it decisive? no. it was a part of a larger continuity. and it illustrates the problem with trying to form macro conclusions from the trees in the forest. the truth is in the trees, but not in any one--or two or three.
still, i'll address the trees you singled out, if you want. like i said, i know the period too. but those nephews won't take care of themselves. and tomorrow is our nation's birthday. hopefully we can circle back at some point, grasshopper. |
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You can go on with your revisionist history all day, but people who lived through that era credit FDR for greatness..
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You can go on with your revisionist history all day, but people who lived through that era credit FDR for greatness..
No one will say that about George W. Bush...
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Assuming you're not either David Kretzmann or Daniel Paul, shouldn't you attribute the text to the real author? Otherwise it's plagiarism.
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"First of don’t call me “dude” I am not your friend."
Me- Yes, I know. You don't have any friends... it's sad.
"Second, I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that Sarah Palin energized a demoralized GOP base and everyone I knew who voted for McShame was really voting because of Sarah Palin."
Me- Yeah, that might be true in your "Deliverence" town, but out here in the real world, she killed him as time went on. Look at the polls after the announcement (when he pulled ahead of BHO for a bit) to the election (where he lost ground.)
AC- Maybe in your world of losers they did not like her, but you are a joke when it come to how to win elections.
Me- Really? Did your guys win the election? Didn't think so.
AC- Uh…yeah right because Quayle was even remotely loved by the GOP base the way that Sarah Palin is. Hey Obama Drone, you should lay off the drugs! LOL
Me- Well, let's look at that. The See You Next Tuesday quit her job today because her FELLOW REPUBLICANS were hounding her with ethics questions in Alaska. That's how beloved she is by the base.
I'm sure in whatever part of "Jesusland" you're from, what you say might be true. But here in the REST of the country- The west coast, the midwest, and the Northeast- the places that Reagan and Bush-41 could actually campaign in and win- she's a joke...
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AC- There is no proof of this, once again Dumb As* is making a claim without backing it up. This guy thinks that he can mind read the people who were actually polled.
Me- Actually, I posted exit polling, which proved that a lot of people who call themselves"Conservative" voted for Obama.
AC- Once again The Obama Drone claims he can read minds and assumes that liberals are actually lying to pollsters about their liberalism. Once again an assertion without evidence, typical of the Dumb As* Obama Drone.
Me- I don't think anyone is LYING, and if you had reading skills, you would realize that what I said was that Liberal has become a term that has been vilified. So a lot of people don't think of themselves as such, even though they are. On the other hand, according to polls, 15% of conservatives votefor Kerry in 2004, and 20% of them voted for Obama in 2008.
Yeah the same nonsense was said by losers like you in 1980. Reagan in 1980 went for all of the conservatives and got them, and then won 1/3 of the moderates in 1980. It worked like a charm for a guy the left claimed was “unelectable”.
Me- Actually, he probably wouldn't have won if John Anderson didn't split the liberal/moderate vote. I should also point out there was a LOT more play in the electorate then than there is now. The GOP has become- effectively, a regional party. Reagan could win IL in 1980. There's no what Palin or any Republican can win it today.... |
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"$$-Millions Is What The Vastly Deserving
and lifelong hard working Sarah will make each year that she's not using her talents in political office. She'll easily command $100K per-engagement speaking fees for as many days per week that she wishes. Knowing Sarah, she'll probably keep it at one a week for family reasons."
Me- Come on, your girl QUIT. Winners never quit and quitters never win. She quit because she was being dogged by a dozen ethics investigations about how her family abused their power, hounded by Republicans and Dems alike.
Neo- Oh, it tickled me that [you] actually got something right...Though, NOT meaning to! Yep, Loathsome Pig, Sarah and GWB share many of the same stand-up qualities of strength of character and moral clarity. And both are very able leaders.
Me- Actually, the only thing they share is being f**king morons who have no business holding a position of activity. At least Palin has figured out her limitations and quit...
Neo- Ohhh, and Homes...You want to take that big brave a** of yours down to the 'Hood with me, Yo? Nope, didn't think so.
Me- Why should I? I grew up in the "hood", served with boys from the "hood" in the military, and still work with some of them...
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"Great Depression Pt#1-5"
Assuming you're not either David Kretzmann or Daniel Paul, shouldn't you attribute the text to the real author? Otherwise it's plagiarism.
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The free market does not come without its own flaws. Humans are not perfect, but with a free market system it is the individuals making the calls; not an elevated, select few who regulate and control society. In whatever economic model you choose, humans will always be behind the system.
It is not through more laws, regulation, and intervention that we find the right path to a prosperous society. Only by learning freely from our mistakes and failures can we expect to grow stronger, smarter, and more sustainable over the long-term.
So in ends the lesson....Little Grasshopper! |
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Government looked at its revenue problem in 1932 and seemed to see increased taxes as the only solution. Cutting the increased federal programs and spending, for some reason, did not appear to be a viable option. Rather than even considering the federal government might be unnecessarily involved in areas that it shouldn’t have been, creating new taxes and increasing current ones was seen as the only reasonable solution.
Amazingly, Franklin Roosevelt actually attacked the President on this issue while campaigning, explaining that Hoover had spent money in a “reckless and extravagant” manner that the U.S. had never before seen. John Nance Garner, Roosevelt’s running mate in 1932, said Hoover was “leading the country down the path of socialism.” While these accusations may very well have been true, it is laughable to compare these words coming from Roosevelt and Garner, to the New Deal policies they implemented once in power. The New Deal that the Roosevelt administration pushed and championed was nothing more than a continuation and escalation of the policies pursued by Herbert Hoover, the same ones Roosevelt had blasted while on the campaign trail.
Both Hoover and Roosevelt tried to push economic beliefs and theories that helped prolong and worsen the Great Depression. They both believed the federal government should manipulate the economy, and stimulate it out of a correction through spending, and government involvement. The two presidents subscribed to the same flawed, short-term focused, interventionist, Keynesian belief in economics. The failure of their philosophy is evident in the performance of the economy during the period in which they tried their shenanigans. The country’s unemployment rate in 1939, despite all the efforts from Hoover and Roosevelt, was still higher than it was in 1931.
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Though many associate the Great Depression with the stock market crash on Oct. 29, 1929, the market actually rallied during the six months following Black Tuesday, while the defeat of Smoot-Hawley appeared likely. The market turned south again in April 1930 as those hopes of defeat gradually dimmed.
The Dow Jones Industrial Average sank a full 8%, from 250 to 230, over just two trading days in June 1930, in direct response to the Senate’s passage of Smoot-Hawley and Hoover’s announcement that he would sign it. Exacerbated by other flawed governmental policies, an international trade war continued to drive the market down until the Dow hit a low of 41 on July 8, 1932, having lost 89% of its value from its September, 1929 high.
The initial and continuing effects of the bill certainly did not help revive the U.S. economy as originally intended. This was not the end of the list of legislation, signed into law by Hoover, heightening government interference in the market.
As a result of the faltering economy, revenue from the corporate tax dropped to $550 million in 1932 from $1.1 billion in 1930, and income tax revenue fell to $370 million from $1 billion over the same period. This made way for a growing budget deficit of more than $2 billion in 1932. In response to the government’s financial problems, Congress enacted the Revenue Act of 1932, which Hoover signed into law on June 6, 1932.
Among other things, the Revenue Act increased the top income tax rate to 63% from 25%, doubled the estate tax, increased corporate tax rates nearly 15%, and added new and increased excise taxes on goods such as tires, lubricating oil, refrigerators, chewing gum, soft drinks, electricity, and many other items.
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Hoover’s intervention began in 1929 with the Mexican Repatriation, leading to the “voluntary and involuntary” migration of approximately half a million Mexicans. The reasons primarily being high unemployment in the U.S. and the incentives welfare created for Mexicans. Rather than look at the root reason for the Mexicans wanting to be here (jobs and welfare), Hoover ignored the cause and instead only dealt with the effect; not too far off from the immigration policies the U.S. has employed with Mexico ever since. The Mexican exodus would last through 1937.
The Repatriation was not too unreasonable compared to the other policies put into action by Hoover. On June 17, 1930, the President signed into the law the Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act. The Act raised tariffs on more than 20,000 goods imported into the U.S. to historically record levels. Prior to the bill’s passing, 1,028 American economists signed a petition urging Congress and President Hoover to not support or pass the act, explaining that it would force consumers to pay higher prices on countless items.
The reasoning behind the bill was that it would encourage people to buy American products, by greatly increasing the prices of imported goods. It was also assumed that it would lead to greater revenue for the federal government. This turned out to be terribly misguided thinking, as it led to slice American imports by 66% and exports by 61%, between 1929 and 1933. Exports declined sharply because many countries increased their own tariffs on American goods in particular, as a result of Smoot-Hawley, leading to a period of reduced trade and economic isolationism and protectionism.
There is a good possibility that the passage of Smoot-Hawley may have played a good sized part in the collapse and decline of the stock market starting in 1929. As the Wall Street Journal explains:
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The Great Depression has become one of the most misunderstood events in U.S. history. Many people believe the free market to be culprit that caused the incredible economic downturn, that the government didn’t do enough to stop it, and that it was largely President Hoover’s fault for not intervening enough into the economy. Today, to my best ability, I hope to dismiss these false assumptions.
Herbert Hoover was elected President of the United States in 1928, and from the beginning it was clear he was not a supporter of laissez-faire, nonintervention economic policies. Hoover preferred regulation, government involvement, and over the course of his presidency he greatly expanded the role of the federal government in the economy. During his presidential campaign he spoke of helping the agriculture industry by raising tariffs and discouraging agriculture imports.
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so you are not only wrong--you are 180 degrees wrong. at least as i see it. which is probably true.
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Once again, the Marxist Socialist says..."as I see it".
Nope...wrong again...Pt #2! |
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drop your sneering tone, chump. i am open to being wrong, but not simply on your say so.
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"Still waiting for the facts and evidence that Dumbo, repeatedly draws crowds of 200,000 people."
Read my list, 10:31 PM last night. Two events of 200,000 or more, and five over 100,000. That verifies what I said. Where's your list of Palin's rallies of 20,000 or more, with or without cookbook? |
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Still waiting for the facts and evidence that Dumbo, repeatedly draws crowds of 200,000 people.
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"Still waiting for the facts and evidence that Dumbo, repeatedly draws crowds of 200,000 people"
Read my list, 10:31 PM last night. Two events of 200,000 or more, and five over 100,000. That verifies what I said. Where's your list of Palin's rallies of 20,000 or more, with or without cookbook? |
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and lifelong hard working Sarah will make each year that she's not using her talents in political office. She'll easily command $100K per-engagement speaking fees for as many days per week that she wishes. Knowing Sarah, she'll probably keep it at one a week for family reasons.
Oh, it tickled me that the loathsome narcissist that has the day off from his boutique-salon and infests for us lucky TH readers, instead, actually got something right...Though, NOT meaning to! Yep, Loathsome Pig, Sarah and GWB share many of the same stand-up qualities of strength of character and moral clarity. And both are very able leaders.
Ohhh, and Homes...You want to take that big brave a** of yours down to the 'Hood with me, Yo? Nope, didn't think so. |
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also, while we are at it, as Hymen Minsky argued, the reason why there has not been a super-significant downturn since the GD, at least until now, has been the growth of big government and the big bank. These institutions created inefficiencies, to be sure, but they also provided a strata of demand that took some of the teeth out of the business cycle.
so you are not only wrong--you are 180 degrees wrong. at least as i see it. which is probably true. |
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i am something of a depression buff. i glanced through Amity Shales book and most people who know anything about the era found her argument unpersuasive and even silly.
while Boomer conservatives have tried--are trying--to rewrite the history of the period, those who lived it understood the realities--sustained and even permanent high unemployment--and they were grateful for the federal intervention. in fact, the reason why the GD had a second-dip, besides being in the severe deflation portion of the secular credit cycle, was that FDR reduced spending in 37 with an ill-advised attempt to prematurely balance the budget.
btw, the most apt historic metaphor to this moment in history is the "Long Depression" of the late 19th century.
sorry, BK. it is a nice piece of faith that the free-enterprise economy automatically corrects itself. in the fullness of time, markets do clear. but your one year rule is ahistorical, dogmatic, and unimportant. this is a serious and sustained deflation--one that has been masked by productivity increases and speculative bubbles. there is a workout here, and it is going to take longer than a year.
drop your sneering tone, chump. i am open to being wrong, but not simply on your say so. |
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the real stupidity, my friend, was conducting a war without raising taxes. has that ever been done before? only from this exceedingly stupid and irresponsible generation of "conservative" radicals. and as a result, we have less ability to mitigate the de-levering of private balance sheets with fiscal countermeasures. that is on you guys, chump. people know the score. it is not "spending out of debt." it is keeping business and household retrenchment FROM debt from also creating the massive instability and poverty that arises from depression-era unemployment levels. a
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Actually this is just another falacy that the libs like to believe in. Fact is the great depression would not have lasted as long if the government hadn't intervened. Now this dolt must relive history and inject the government into the private market. Fact is that any recession would have been over within 1 year if the government did nothing. Now it will be more like 5-10 years with this incessant meddling.
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Lily wrote:
"Right, so how did that work out for you? Did Palin-admirers win the election? By a large margin? I seem to remember 173 electoral votes for McCain/Palin and 365 for Obama/Biden."
Perhaps you forgot that Sarah Palin was in the election for roughly 8 weeks and that she did not run what was the worst ran campaign since Mondale in 1984. Before Sarah Palin, McShame was politically dead, picking up Sarah Palin was the only good thing he did. It energized the base, millions were raised by the RNC the day after she was chosen. Her mere presence at least gave McShame a shot, but his grossly incompentent campaign team brought him down. If Sarah Palin had not been on the ticket Dumbo's margin of victory would have been far higher, because conservatives would have stayed home on election day. I know this because I was one of them and I heard tons of conservatives saying the same thing. |
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dems always "AFRAID OF SARAH PALIN!" |
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Republican Candidate and endorse the weakest like they did with mccain. |
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remember what Rush said to look for?
Who are the demWits afraid of? The one that they attack! |
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re "Maybe in your world [people] don't like Palin, but you are a joke when it comes to winning elections":
Right, so how did that work out for you? Did Palin-admirers win the election? By a large margin? I seem to remember 173 electoral votes for McCain/Palin and 365 for Obama/Biden. |
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2012 Presidential Campaign
Here's some restoration, reformation, & revolution that Our Founding Fathers supported:
1) Advertise and Promote the Fact that you are forming a Grand Jury in Blogs, Local Newspapers and Community Organizations.
2) Form the Grand Jury and select a Foreman.
3) Select a Private Attorney General to make Presentments to Grand Jury, if local DA refuses to make presentments.
4) Select a convenient Meeting Place.
5) Communicate with all Citizens who have criminal information to present.
6) Schedule presentments by said Citizens.
7) Subpoena documents from Government Offices and Officials.
8) Schedule presentment of said Documents to Grand Jury by Grand Jury Attorney General.
9) Have Grand Jury Attorney General present said Documents to Grand Jury.
10) After investigation and deliberation is completed, vote and issue a True Bill (Indictment) or No True Bill.
11) Announce all Indictments to the Press.
12) Serve the Indictment on the Judiciary for the Issuance of Arrest Warrants.
http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/06/how-to-start-and- lead-citizens-grand.html |
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Still waiting for the facts and evidence that Dumbo, repeatedly draws crowds of 200,000 people.
Your words:
"Is 20,000 supposed to be a BIG crowd? Obama routinely draws ten times that many."
Since you got caught in that lie you have fudged the numbers to 100,000 (without evidence) or even 75,000 (without evidence). Typical of you Obama Drones, just like your master Dumbo, always changing their lies. |
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PHENOMENAL SPEECH by Sarah!
SARAH 2012!
bo's "stimulus" is "IMMORAL"
"Problem in Our Country today is APATHY!"
"Easy to go with the flow...Only DEAD FISH go with the FLOW!"
"Not wired to act under the same old politics as usual." |
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Barry did it to us, in IL, while he campaigned(the WHOLE time he was in the Senate). Oh, he kept his seat, but he was never there, looking out for us. Just collected the paycheck. Sarah's got more honor than Barry, clearly. |
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The Obama Drone wrote:
“Seriously, dude, I had a discussion yesterday with some co-workers, and two of them told me they were seriously considering McCain until he picked Palin. I can't tell you how many people told me that.”
First of don’t call me “dude” I am not your friend. Second, I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that Sarah Palin energized a demoralized GOP base and everyone I knew who voted for McShame was really voting because of Sarah Palin. Maybe in your world of losers they did not like her, but you are a joke when it come to how to win elections.
The Obama Drone wrote:
“I've been watching politics a long time, and I've never seen a VP selection have such a negative impact. Not even Dan Quayle, who looks brilliant compared to Palin. (I've always felt Quayle got a bad rap, though.)”
Uh…yeah right because Quayle was even remotely loved by the GOP base the way that Sarah Palin is. Hey Obama Drone, you should lay off the drugs! LOL
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I reported on the following Gallup Poll, and the Eugene The Obama Drone responded with nonsense.
I wrote:
“Fact: 40% of this country is conservative regardless of party Fact: Sarah Palin is a conservative and is the first viable conservative on the national scene since Reagan.
Fact: Only 35% of this country is moderate
Fact: Only 21% of this country is liberal”
Eugene The Obama Drone wrote:
“that just means that the labels have gotten mixed up.”
There is no proof of this, once again Dumb As* is making a claim without backing it up. This guy thinks that he can mind read the people who were actually polled.
The Dumb As* Obama Drone continues:
“As I pointed out 20% of self-described "conservatives" voted for Obama in the last election. (Oh, yeah, and I wasn't one of them.) The only thing your figures have proven is that "liberal" has been so demonized as a word that few people want to describe themselves as such.”
Once again The Obama Drone claims he can read minds and assumes that liberals are actually lying to pollsters about their liberalism. Once again an assertion without evidence, typical of the Dumb As* Obama Drone.
This Obama Drone wrote”
“You take the 21% called Liberal and the 35% called moderate, and you still have a majority of 56%. I couldn't imagine any liberal or moderate voting for Caribou Barbie no matter how bad the economy gets.”
Yeah the same nonsense was said by losers like you in 1980. Reagan in 1980 went for all of the conservatives and got them, and then won 1/3 of the moderates in 1980. It worked like a charm for a guy the left claimed was “unelectable”.
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Sarah's stolen the spotlight from the dead, crotch-grabbing MJackson. Hallelujah! |
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Greta sez "Don't underestimate Sarah Palin!"
"Sarah Palin is ENORMOUSLY ATTRACTIVE!" |
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WOW!
kraut looks like TOTAL IDIOT now! |
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NATIONAL ATTENTION on her. Her Popularity is GREATER than any other Republican in the Nation! |
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Timing for a Launch of a Presidential Campaign in 2012.
Hillary is still under bo's scumy thumb & will surely LOSE favor due to his MONUMENTAL FAILURE! |
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Miss Vicky,
Those who can't spell retarded shouldn't refer to others as being so. Incidentally, your heroine has lost 35 points in popularity since the election in HER OWN STATE. Got that from FOX NEWS, and we all know how " fair and balanced " they are. LOL |
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on the Republican Party Payroll those DUMMIES make me more DISGUSTED with my former Democrat Party every time they post here.
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Here's some restoration, reformation, & revolution that Our Founding Fathers supported:
1) Advertise and Promote the Fact that you are forming a Grand Jury in Blogs, Local Newspapers and Community Organizations.
2) Form the Grand Jury and select a Foreman.
3) Select a Private Attorney General to make Presentments to Grand Jury, if local DA refuses to make presentments.
4) Select a convenient Meeting Place.
5) Communicate with all Citizens who have criminal information to present.
6) Schedule presentments by said Citizens.
7) Subpoena documents from Government Offices and Officials.
8) Schedule presentment of said Documents to Grand Jury by Grand Jury Attorney General.
9) Have Grand Jury Attorney General present said Documents to Grand Jury.
10) After investigation and deliberation is completed, vote and issue a True Bill (Indictment) or No True Bill.
11) Announce all Indictments to the Press.
12) Serve the Indictment on the Judiciary for the Issuance of Arrest Warrants.
http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/06/how-to-start-and- lead-citizens-grand.html |
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Here's some restoration, reformation, & revolution that Our Founding Fathers supported:
1) Advertise and Promote the Fact that you are forming a Grand Jury in Blogs, Local Newspapers and Community Organizations.
2) Form the Grand Jury and select a Foreman.
3) Select a Private Attorney General to make Presentments to Grand Jury, if local DA refuses to make presentments.
4) Select a convenient Meeting Place.
5) Communicate with all Citizens who have criminal information to present.
6) Schedule presentments by said Citizens.
7) Subpoena documents from Government Offices and Officials.
8) Schedule presentment of said Documents to Grand Jury by Grand Jury Attorney General.
9) Have Grand Jury Attorney General present said Documents to Grand Jury.
10) After investigation and deliberation is completed, vote and issue a True Bill (Indictment) or No True Bill.
11) Announce all Indictments to the Press.
12) Serve the Indictment on the Judiciary for the Issuance of Arrest Warrants.
http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/06/how-to-start-and- lead-citizens-grand.html |
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"Cowboy, axeHOLE is NOT named Eugene.
Eugene is another poster that axeHOLE is pathetically attempting to MOCK. Notice the comma in his moniker, Big Sky Cowboy."
Me- Ummm, no, I posted as Eugene before that guy did. Eugene was my second screen name after my first, JoeB131. I then created a third screen name, White Salamander, to screw with the Mormons. Meanwhile, this other Eugene showed up, so I modified "Eugene" to the current moniker. I also went back and modified "JoeB131" to "Roman Lion", which is my backup.
Eugene is my middle name. My first name is Joseph.
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"Legally Remove BO 2:59 PM
"Eugene is another poster that axeHOLE is pathetically attempting to MOCK."
In fact, Eugene is Jerry Garcia's older brother.
Or maybe not.
Me- Actually, I took it from the Pink Floyd Song of the same name... My middle name is Eugene, when I created a second screen name, I had to use my middle name. I expanded it out to the Floyd song because I thought it was funny, and I'm about the world's most fanatical Floyd fan.
And Jerry Garcia's older brother who chopped off his finger with an ax was named Clifford...
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Eugene
With what you just posted it sounds like you don't believe all the crapola you posted before, it sounds like a hurt son that lost his Mom and Dad, A son that couldn't share his parents with his kids.
me- Well, I don't have kids and don't want them... But my hurt aside, this is about my view of your Invisible Sky Pixie, not my young adult trauma. Sensibly, I knew I would probably outlive my parents (It would have been far worse for them if I hadn't... let's say they lived to be in the 70's and I had died during Military service).
As I stated, my doubts really did exist before they got sick. there was just too much crap in Christianity and the Bible that didn't make sense to me, and it still doesn't.
(My favorite is still Judges 11:30-40. Try to explain THAT story as a GOd anyone would want to worship.)
Even if my parents were around now, I suspect I'd STILL be a non-believer. |
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"Eugene is another poster that axeHOLE is pathetically attempting to MOCK."
In fact, Eugene is Jerry Garcia's older brother.
Or maybe not. |
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Eugene is another poster that axeHOLE is pathetically attempting to MOCK. Notice the comma in his moniker, Big Sky Cowboy. |
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Here's some restoration, reformation, & revolution that Our Founding Fathers supported:
1) Advertise and Promote the Fact that you are forming a Grand Jury in Blogs, Local Newspapers and Community Organizations.
2) Form the Grand Jury and select a Foreman.
3) Select a Private Attorney General to make Presentments to Grand Jury, if local DA refuses to make presentments.
4) Select a convenient Meeting Place.
5) Communicate with all Citizens who have criminal information to present.
6) Schedule presentments by said Citizens.
7) Subpoena documents from Government Offices and Officials.
8) Schedule presentment of said Documents to Grand Jury by Grand Jury Attorney General.
9) Have Grand Jury Attorney General present said Documents to Grand Jury.
10) After investigation and deliberation is completed, vote and issue a True Bill (Indictment) or No True Bill.
11) Announce all Indictments to the Press.
12) Serve the Indictment on the Judiciary for the Issuance of Arrest Warrants.
http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/06/how-to-start-and- lead-citizens-grand.html |
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With what you just posted it sounds like you don't believe all the crapola you posted before, it sounds like a hurt son that lost his Mom and Dad, A son that couldn't share his parents with his kids. |
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Thought U libs said Sarah was just a "dumb hick."
bo's DUMB & BUTT UGLY!
Sarah's a BEAUTY with BRAINS! |
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JAIL!
Here's some restoration, reformation, & revolution that Our Founding Fathers supported:
1) Advertise and Promote the Fact that you are forming a Grand Jury in Blogs, Local Newspapers and Community Organizations.
2) Form the Grand Jury and select a Foreman.
3) Select a Private Attorney General to make Presentments to Grand Jury, if local DA refuses to make presentments.
4) Select a convenient Meeting Place.
5) Communicate with all Citizens who have criminal information to present.
6) Schedule presentments by said Citizens.
7) Subpoena documents from Government Offices and Officials.
8) Schedule presentment of said Documents to Grand Jury by Grand Jury Attorney General.
9) Have Grand Jury Attorney General present said Documents to Grand Jury.
10) After investigation and deliberation is completed, vote and issue a True Bill (Indictment) or No True Bill.
11) Announce all Indictments to the Press.
12) Serve the Indictment on the Judiciary for the Issuance of Arrest Warrants.
http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/06/how-to-start-and- lead-citizens-grand.html |
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Do you suffer from Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder? Why is your latest list any different than the other 500 times you've posted it? |
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Eugene
"But after both my parents got sick and died, I had to come to one of two conclusions. a) God ignored their prayers and the prayers of everyone around them, despite the fact they were basically good if flawed people. or b) There is no God (at least not the God of the Bible), we all die eventually, deal with it. " The third conclusion is the one I believe, God called your parents to him. Yes nuns don't always have the best teaching skills,the priests that taught me in high school, put my education with the nuns in a better light.
Me- Well, sorry, God didn't have any business "calling" my parents at a time when my two brothers - both minors - still needed them. He didn't have any business calling them and denying them the chance to know their 8 wonderful grandchildren, six of whom they never got to see born.
Seriously, why does "God" need to "call" anyone. It's not like he actually needs the help up there, is it? I mean, he's an omnipotent, omniscient eternal being, what does he need my Dad the sheet metal worker for? The AC went out?
In fact, honestly, I think a God who calls a parent with minor children is kind of a cruel b@st@rd... and sadly, reading your bible, one can only come to the same conclusion.
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Here's some restoration, reformation, & revolution that Our Founding Fathers supported:
1) Advertise and Promote the Fact that you are forming a Grand Jury in Blogs, Local Newspapers and Community Organizations.
2) Form the Grand Jury and select a Foreman.
3) Select a Private Attorney General to make Presentments to Grand Jury, if local DA refuses to make presentments.
4) Select a convenient Meeting Place.
5) Communicate with all Citizens who have criminal information to present.
6) Schedule presentments by said Citizens.
7) Subpoena documents from Government Offices and Officials.
8) Schedule presentment of said Documents to Grand Jury by Grand Jury Attorney General.
9) Have Grand Jury Attorney General present said Documents to Grand Jury.
10) After investigation and deliberation is completed, vote and issue a True Bill (Indictment) or No True Bill.
11) Announce all Indictments to the Press.
12) Serve the Indictment on the Judiciary for the Issuance of Arrest Warrants.
http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/06/how-to-start-and- lead-citizens-grand.html |
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Eugene
that is sad.
me- that entirely depends on your opinion.
If I am right, and there is no God, then not believing in him is no different than not believing in Santa Claus. I've accepted reality as it is.
If I'm wrong, then as a God, your diety has been sadly derelict in his duties, looking at the state of the world.
Now, do I completely dismiss the notion of a higher power? Not entirely. I think the universe itself does have a purpose. If a watch is evidence of a watchmaker, then the universe is evidence of a higher power.
The notion that this higher power is so petty that he lets people live or die based on how much you kiss his cosmic backside on Sunday is kind of absurd. It's kind of narcissitic, when you think about it. There's this eternal being, omnipotent, omniscient, etc... who is really up there waiting to hear the sincerity of your prayes, will ignore the prayer for your mother to get well, but dang it, he'll listen to a prayer for the White Sox to win the World Series in 2005! (Now, that could be proof of Satan, maybe!)
And looking for the Bible for truth is even more absurd, because, honestly, the God of that work of fiction isn't very likable. It assumes this eternal, omnipotent, etc being had nothing better to do for 2000 years than screw with the heads of these poor sheep-herders in the promised land.
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"But after both my parents got sick and died, I had to come to one of two conclusions. a) God ignored their prayers and the prayers of everyone around them, despite the fact they were basically good if flawed people. or b) There is no God (at least not the God of the Bible), we all die eventually, deal with it. " The third conclusion is the one I believe, God called your parents to him. Yes nuns don't always have the best teaching skills,the priests that taught me in high school, put my education with the nuns in a better light.
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"Let's see...Beautiful, experienced, hugely popular in her state, self-made, charming, solid family woman, business woman, executive, hunter, fisherman, basketball player...ALL the things to make the wretched, loathsome Demo-Elites hate her guts and want her ruined.
COWARDS. Moral and physical COWARDS."
Me- This coming from a guy who is proud he avoided military service...
The things that you list as virtues about Palin could also be applied to George W. Bush. Can we all agree that guy was an absolute freaking disaster as president, despite what a good family man he was?
I think most of us want a president with STATURE, not one who is a "good family" person or a basketball player. Now, yes, you will no doubt tick off all of Obama's flaws, but your goal isn't to get us to vote against Obama, it should be to get us to vote For Palin.
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"So
(like some of my siblings do, about half of us became non-believers after this) Why after the death of your Mom?"
Me- Not sure what you are asking here. Are you asking why my brother and I became non-believers, or why my sisters and other brother still believe?
I can't speak for my brother, but for my part, I've always had these nagging doubts. When I was a kid, I would ask the nuns why God (if he were such a good sort) would kill the little children in the Flood or in Sodom. And the old butch nun would reply "They were wicked children. Wiiiiiiiicked!!!!"
And being one of the few who paid attention, the contradictions became obvious to me. Why do the Gospels of Matthew and Luke have different geneologies for Jesus? Why do they both trace it through St. Joseph, who was actually more of a bystander in the whole process. I actually asked these questions, and got hit with wooden rulers a lot... without getting good answers.
But after both my parents got sick and died, I had to come to one of two conclusions. a) God ignored their prayers and the prayers of everyone around them, despite the fact they were basically good if flawed people. or b) There is no God (at least not the God of the Bible), we all die eventually, deal with it.
I went with B, because, honestly, that makes more sense, logically.
Can't speak as to why my other siblings still believe, but honestly, if you are brought up in a community, it is often hard to question its foundations. Most people go with the flow...
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"Projecting" is what U do, axeHOLE. |
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A Better Place
If I could bring back all of the recently aborted mentally or physically disabled kids, add to their number all of the still-living disabled, and take away all of the lefty liberals from our populattion, the world would almost instantly become a much better place.
Me- Well, that's telling. People disagree with you, so you want them to die. That's...uh, not very Christian, actually.
I would prefer that severely handicapped people not be born to start with... and we have the SCIENCE to do that now.
I don't do this out of hate, like yourself. I don't want people to suffer. So, yeah, I don't want old women having babies or women drinking or snorting coke while they are pregnant, because the kids born as a result are going to suffer.
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I think you are probably projecting a bit here.
I look at Obama, I see a guy who has excelled at his given profession. He has a beautiful wife (even in her 40s, she's hot!) two great kids, has a lot of acheivements to his name. And the fact he was able to acheive this with parents who did not live up to the title, in a society that treated his race like second class citizens within his lifetime, is nothing short of amazing.
Now, I didn't vote for him, and his policies may truly screw up this country. Or they might be good policies, but the country may be so far gone after 30 years of Republican misrule that he can't save it. Or, probably what you people fear most, is that he might actually succeed in turning the country around and usher in an era of liberalism.
But it seems your constant spamming about a proven urban legend and other nuttiness I think kind of shows you have a problem.
The problem the GOP has is that they have idealogically hit the bottom of the barrel. The fact someone as vapid as Palin is considered presidential timber is kind of frightening, actually.
I remember my first election, 1980. You had some true men of stature running. Reagan, Dole, the First Bush, Howard Baker, John Connoly. What do we have now. Palin and Jindal and Huckabee and Romney. A bunch of religious crazy snake handlers. |
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If I could bring back all of the recently aborted mentally or physically disabled kids, add to their number all of the still-living disabled, and take away all of the lefty liberals from our populattion, the world would almost instantly become a much better place. |
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"Still not buying it Eugene
Everything you have written is opinion. And out of the blue you felt this need to back up something with a fact. I don't think so, this was a fact you new. How?""
Guy, okay, look, I'm not in the education industry. Of course, I wouldn't be ashamed if I were, most of those people do a great job for not a lot of money. My late mother was a teacher, my neice is a teacher.
Also, I frequently back up my points with figures. I would suggest you read anything I've posted on the Health Care debate.
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(like some of my siblings do, about half of us became non-believers after this) Why after the death of your Mom? |
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AXE is to be pitied.
He obviously has no life outside TH where he can spew forth his disdain for everything anyone posts that makes sense. He is a poor little pathetic slob and I ALMOST feel sorry for him.
Me- Sorry, if you ever posted anything that ever made sense, it was clearly an oversite...
I have nothing but disdain for people who got this country into the mess it is in, and now want to dump on the guy who is trying to get us out of it. |
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always hate themselves the most. Imagine if you were abandoned by your Dad and Mom and despised by your Grandfather. Imagine if your Grandfather allowed you to be raped by a man like Frank Marshall Davis and that was just a part of bo's pathetic life.
I know that what the libs say can be hurtful if you let yourself succumb to their hate. That is what they want is to make you feel their hate. Don't hate them, pity them or be apathetic to them.
I assure you people like bo are more miserable than you could ever imagine. |
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fair enough.
now i must go. God bless everyone here and God bless America on the eve of her 233rd birthday. |
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It Is Clear Now I guess your mom's belief in a sky pixie really had an effect on you, that is why the hate for God, cause he didn't listen to her prayers,
me- I don't hate him because he doesn't exist and can't listen to prayers... I do, however, hate the stupidity that is done in his name and has been for millenium... this is the distinction you funditards never seem to get.
BSC- that is sad that you have no respect for your Mom's feelings.
Me- Because a loved one holds an irrational belief, doesn't mean you should hold it yourself. My mother also had her prejudices (like most southern white women of her generation) and had an irrational fear of snakes. Seriously. She saw a garter snake, she go into a complete panic.
Rationality tells me there is no God, people are not different because of their skin color and garter snakes are harmless.
BSC- When my Dad died from cancer 30 years ago, his family was at his side praying for him as he prayed for himself, the difference is your Mom's and my Dad's God was listening to their prayers,He didn't take them from us ,he just took them to be by his side.
Me- Okay, if that's what you want to believe. Do you actually have any PROOF of that which would stand up in a court of law? Or do you tell yourself this nonsense (like some of my siblings do, about half of us became non-believers after this) to make yourself feel better.
If a scientist came up and offered you incontrivertable proof that your dad ceased to be when he died, would you stil believe?
I always thought it would be funny, what would happen if we applied the consumer fraud laws to the various religions... I mean, if Tide has to be able to prove it can get your clothes whiter than Clorox, should Mormonism have to be able to prove it can get your soul into heaven better than Catholicism?
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Obama is NOT the only Political FRAUD! Want to LEGALLY remove Obama from POTUS? Start HERE:
There is an ongoing criminal conspiracy among Obama supporters in Nashville to cover up crimes committed by his campaign in 2007, 2008 and 2009. These crimes include, but are not limited to, VOTER FRAUD, IDENTITY THEFT, COMPUTER THEFT, INVASION OF PRIVACY and petty BURGLARIES similar to WATERGATE.
Judge Tom w. Brothers and a Partner in Karl Dean's favorite FIRM, Bass Berry & Sims, were INDICTED once and Tom w. Brothers and Bass Berry and Sims will be INDICTED again and CONVICTED this time.
When Nashville Judge Tom w. Brothers was first INDICTED for Drug Money Laundering Karl Dean was the Public Defender FIXING Cases his Wife's FIRM, Bass, Berry & Sims.
According to an old Law School friend of mine who was working for the DEA when Tom Brothers was INDICTED for DRUG MONEY Laundering, Bass, Berry & Sims was the biggest Drug Money Laundering FIRM in the Southeast.
My DEA Agent Friend's words were similar to what Phil Williams of http://www.NewsChannel5.com wrote about Russell Brothers. According to Phil Williams, Russell Brothers was a "Giant among Giants" in the Drug Smuggling Business.
Somehow the Deans accumulated a "reported" Fortune of $100 Million despite the fact that they both grew up poor. The cover story spun by the Deans is that Ms. Dean's STINGY MISER Uncle gave her the money.
Coincidentally, the Deans' cover story was similar to Tom Brothers' cover story about where the money that he was LAUNDERING for his Convicted FELON Uncle Russell's Drug Money came from.
Tom Brothers testified at his trial that he thought, "Uncle Russell got the millions from selling insurance for CNA."
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Thank You ,have a great 4th also. |
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Thank you Dianne for your kind words. Pat Lib, I believe eugene displays hatred of God because of the death of his Mom, I believe he shows indifference in some of his rants, but I see plenty of hatred in other posts he makes. You can't call his post regarding my son indifferent. He shows hate toward my wife and myself because he feels our son is a burden and worthless, if I am indifferent about something I wouldn't speak so strongly to another about it so I call what he has is hate for me and my God. |
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