if Hugh has the guts to bring up some of his choice language (and comments) on McCain during the McCain- Romney dust up. If this was in the old media universe and some reporter guy had not brought up information like this, Hugh would have suddenly get on his integrity horse get all worked up claiming the interviewer was incompetent.
Lets see if Hugh has the guts- my guess he will be a yellow faced COWARD like the very guys he accused of over the years. |
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jsmith -
you're a moron. plain and simple.
hugh -
great to see McCain is finally coming on your program. let's see what he says.
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The Romney Campaign has been overtaken by events. It's history. Time to adjust the focus, as Romney has, to his great credit.
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Good to see he's on the program. I heard him on Medved earlier today. I hope HH asks probing questions, and gives McCain a chance to answer without interrupting, but we're all on the same anti-Demo team now. |
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The Senator said that prolix talk on immigration is what led to the defeat of Santorum and, just recently, Oberweis. This might be a good follow-up. |
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Democrats want to do it in Iraq, sounds like some Pubs want to do it with illegal aliens. Pander to citizens of other countries illegally in our country in the vain hope they will vote for Republicans. Throw out such notions as the rule of law and citizenship, surrender and win!
NO ENFORCEMENT? NO VOTES! |
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Regardless of how McCain plans to handle illegal immigrants already IN American, I don't see how he can possibly oppose efforts to immediately seal the border and prevent further illegal immigration.
Seal the border NOW, then deal with the illegals already here. |
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But only with Mitt Romney.
I've already e-mailed, called and send a snail mail letter to tell McCain:
No Romney, No Money and No Vote. |
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I've done the same thing. Everyone is telling him, I hope he listens. The question is what matters most to him. If he wants to win and if America is his top priority, he must choose Romney.
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We need to immediately withdraw from Iraq because we've wasted roughly 1-3 trillion dollars of deficit spending on that country. |
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QueenMumof7 and PC,
Are you ladies being serious ?
If Mitt Romney is not chosen to be VP, you vow to sit out the election risking that our country will suffer at the hands of an Obama Administration ?
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McCain could even Ron Paul as V.P. and I still would not sit out this election. I will vote for Obama or Hillary pretty much to spite McCain no matter who he chooses.
I would consider voting Ron Paul if my state is no competitive, but otherwise I feel it's important to vote Hillary\Obama in order to take votes form McCain. |
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If Huckabee is the veep choice, you betcha. I'd rather suffer through 4 years of Obama, than have a bigot in the white house. Period.
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I agree. If he truly has America and it's economy at heart, he needs a guy who 'gets it'.
Will I sit out? No. But I won't be voting for McCain if he chooses Huckabee. And the other, I'll have to consider on a case-by-case basis. Right now, I can't think of anyone else. Guess I'm a one-note nelly! |
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I may not go so far as refuse to vote for him, but I do think he needs to choose Romney or another real conservative with as many qualifications to balance McCain out a little. It would send a message to conservatives - even if small.
When McCain became the nominee I could see the logic of 4 years in the wilderness for the GOP to stop the leftward drift, and to say enough is enough. But I also see the folly and danger of Hillary or Obama as pres. in far too many issues.
In the end, I think he will win, no matter who he chooses. I just hope he chooses wisely and with concern for the years ahead. I would like to eventually see a Romney/Jindal ticket, if Jindal lives up to all the expectations. |
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I doubt Huck is even on the list, he would compound McCain's troubles. He's just not worthy of any job in McCain's administration.
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Wow.
If that's how you feel, then you're no better than the evangelicals who wouldn't vote for a Mormon.
As you both know, I'm a conservative who was supporting Romney in the primaries, but the primaries are over.
McCain is the best available choice on November's ballot, and I don't think there's any reason to justify risking the best interest of the country.
Fighting Islamic Jihad and the fact that as many as 5 or 6 Supreme Court nominations hang in the balance are way too important to be playing games of 'spite' against Huckabee for his bigotry or against McCain for not being conservative enough on some issues.
May I kindly suggest you go visit injured vets in the hospital before you sit out the election.
They've sacrificed so much.
And an Obama Appeasement Strategy against Jihad would basically be throwing their sacrifices away.
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If McCain chose a known racist or anti-semite as VP, would you still vote for him? I wouldn't, and Huck should be rejected in the same way. He's a bigot and doesn't belong in any GOP postition.
It doesn't matter, though, because Huck has no chance.
You cannot equate LDS people standing up against religious bigotry in a presidential candidate with anti-Mormon evangelicals. It just doesn't wash. Mormons have nothing at all against evangelicals in general. Only the Huckster who dissed millions of us without batting an eye.
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PC,
Everyone knows I've probably spent as much (if not more) time defending Mitt Romney & Mormons from evangelicals on these boards than anyone---and I even happen to be someone who thinks Mormon theology is a little, uh, weird.
But you're setting up a straw man to knock down.
Mike Huckabee hasn't been announced as the VP nominee, and I would bet the farm that he won't be chosen by McCain.
It'll probably be Pawlenty, Sanford, Portman, Cox, Crist, or Romney.
But let's be honest about what you agreed with QueenMumof7 about; she said if Romney IS NOT THE VP, she ain't voting---"No Romney, No Money and No Vote."
...and that's what you seemed to be affirming with your response, though you did give yourself a little wiggle room by saying you would consider McCain's VP pick on a case basis.
But to suggest that you would not vote for McCain simply because he selects Huckabee IS practicing the same insanity that the anti-Mormon evangelicals are practicing.
It may not be for the same REASON, but the r-e-s-u-l-t is the same---you're both voting/not voting out of anger borne of a religious schism, and what's even worse, is that by not voting for McCain, you would be enabling radical left wing nut Barack Obama to conduct foreign policy and nominate left wing nuts to the Supreme Court.
I realize that Mormons are angry at Huckabee, but by not voting for McCain, you would be punishing the country for 4 years...as well as future generations of Americans who would have to live with the nutty left wing Supreme Court decisions during the following 40 years, not to mention the deadly fall-out from Obama appeasing Islamic Jihad.
Seriously, go visit one of the vet hospitals where guys my age and younger are missing limbs, or have burns all over their body.
Go tell them you're considering giving the keys to the White House to Obama---and the keys to Iraq to Al-Qaeda---all because Mike Huckabee hurt your feelings. |
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I really appreciated your defense of Mormons here. I think you believe qweenmum and I have gone overboard in our feelings against Huck.
It's not about hurt feelings (I despise the man, but he does not have the power to hurt my feelings.) or anger at Huckabee, but about refusing to support what he is.
You didn't answer my question. Would you still vote for McCain if he chose a racist or anti-semite for VP? To my mind, Huck in the very same category, and he's simply unacceptable. For Mormons, Huck would be a pretty huge pill to swallow, and I'm not sure if it's a good thing for the GOP to whitewash who he is.
That's all I'm saying. I agree with you that the most important reason to support McCain is to give our troops the best possible CIC. I have 1 nephew who served in Iraq and another who is there right now. Athough I haven't personally met any wounded vets, I am extremely grateful for what they've given us. Even so, I'm willing to bet that even my LDS nephews would find it difficult to cast a vote for Huckabee as VP.
It's a good thing it will never happen. Maybe in time I will lighten up on the Huckster, but right now I'm still outraged by what he got away with. |
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I agrtee with you. I did support Huckabee and once thought of him as a good second chair to Romney. HOWEVER, upon investigation and listening to what he said, thought and acted, I came to the determination that having someone like him anywhere near the White House would impact religious freedom for not just the LDS, but for others who don't go to his brand of christiandom. I'm sure he is a nice guy within his realm. But in the total picture, he is unexceptable. And if chosen, McCain is sunk, as the west will not vote for him, the east, with high Jewish population will not vote and the East with High Catholic populations will not vote for him. He plays in Arkansas and a hand full of 'southern' states. Beyond that? He's loser with the L tattooed on his forehead.
Words and actions mean something. |
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It's nto a straw man, but a fACT. Many uf us want the economy back on track. Cox might beable to do it, (I'm a Californian), but byond Cox or Romney. I want Romney because he has total package. If he were not LDS, I'd still be on board for Romney. The economy is a biggie, and McCain just does not have the experience for it. Everyday, it's bad news. We feel it at the pump, at the grocery store, in our investments, in our mortgages. It's going to get worse. McCain needs romney, who has the best chance of turning this thing around.
I can promise you one thing, if Huckabee engages his lips onto McCains backside and get the slot, McCain is washed up. I'll not vote for McCain, and take my chances on voting for a third party. |
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I suspect McCain fully realizes that would be a losing proposition.
Besides white southern evangelical appeal, what else does Huck offer? I can't think of anything. I'm sure Huck, at his core, is a decent capable man. But he is also a populist with a left-leaning record. I don't believe Huck would appeal to rank-and-file conservatives.
McCain would be wise to select Romney, Thompson, or Hunter. In that order (from most to least appealing, in general terms). Ou of those three, Romney would be the most effective and have a better chance of leading the GOP down the road.
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Ladies,
The two of you are still flailing punches at straw men.
John McCain will not be selecting a 'racist' or an 'anti-Semite' to be VP.
But more than that, a person can't choose their skin color or to be born of Jewish lineage.
But they can choose which church to belong to---after all, that is the whole point about Obama & Reverend Wright.
So, to compare 'racism' to 'religious bigotry' is actually apples to oranges.
But voting for our nation's security is much more important than any of that.
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You're right, the nation's security is importatnt. Too bad we don't have a candidate in either party that will secure the border and enforce the laws.
You simply CANNOT have national security if you will not defend your own borders or enforce your own laws. Foreign nationals numbering in the thousands are entering our country at will daily. John McCain has done and will do NOTHING to stop it. Don't believe me? Ask Juan Hernandez!
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Your feelings are hurt because evangelicals have been playing the same game with Mormons which they've been playing with every other religious group they don't approve of.
In 2008, the evangelicals embrace Jews and Israel---but they haven't always.
And the evangelicals still rant and rave at Catholics---look at that Pastor Hagee down in San Antonio.
Our nation's defense is of greater importance than anyone's hurt feelings or disagreements over secondary domestic policies.
But the lefties don't see it that way, and nor do the crazy Ron Paulistinians.
They don't believe that a nuclear device will wipe out a lefty or a Paul supporter just as it will wipe out a conservative who votes for the GOP.
Ultimately, it comes down to what QueenMum initially said; if McCain doesn't pick her boy Romney to be VP, she's taking her ball and...marching home !
In that case, she won't be casting a vote in favor of defending America against Islamic Jihad, and she vows not to defend America from Obama's radical left wing Supreme Court nominations.
That's wonderful that you know a few guys who have served.
That's all the more reason to be voting for McCain---you have personal knowledge of the sacrifices our veterans' have made.
Projecting your spite at McCain in November will hurt the country.
If Obama becomes President, we all lose, including Mormons.
You really ought to go visit the vets in the hospital who have serious injuries and burns.
Ask them how important it is that we all vote for McCain in November. |
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You're right about nearly everything in your post. But, as I said before, neither Huck or evangelicals have the power to hurt my feelings because I don't even know them. It's not about hurt feelings.
The problem is what kind of person Huck is, and that he was willing to use religion against Romney and a bunch of loyal republicans. He's not a decent person - he lies, practices the worst kind of identity politics, and did a lot of shabby things during his campaign. (Not to mention his liberal record.) He is a bigot, and I still put it into the same category as being a racist or an anti-semite. To my mind, it's the same flawed thinking though it may be of lesser degree. And I still say that Huckabee hurts the party because of it. It's not about spite, it's about rejecting unprincipled people for leadership responsibilities.
No matter how right you are on the necessity of voting for McCain, you cannot dismiss the reality that LDS folks would find it very difficult to vote for Huck. In fact, a LOT of republicans would reject the both of them if they are on the ticket together. I can't think of a worse scenario for the GOP.
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