Monday, April 23, 2007
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Geoffrey Stone And The Slander Of Five Justices
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Posted by:
Hugh Hewitt at
10:00 PM
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A post from Geoffrey Stone from the University of Chicago Law School Faculty Blog "Our Faith Based Justices." One excerpt:
Among Congress’s clearly erroneous “findings” were its assertions that no medical schools provide instruction on intact D & E, that intact D & E is never necessary to safeguard the health of the woman, and that intact D & E is less safe than alternative procedures. Each of these “findings” was and is false. In fact, many laws schools, including Chicago, Northwestern, Yale, Columbia, teach intact D & E; there is a clear medical consensus that in particular circumstances intact D & E is necessary to protect the heath of the woman; and there is a clear medical consensus that in particular circumstances intact D & E is safer than the alternative procedures. (emphasis added.)
So Stone's obvious error tells us that he obviously wrote in haste --and I am the last person to hurl stones from my glass house when it comes to proofing. What is objectionable in Stone's post is not the obvious and amusing error. (Ed Whelan caught it three days ago and it is still uncorrected.) No, Stone's attack on the religious beliefs of the five justice majority is the reprehensible portion of his post.
To brand the five member majority in this case a "faith-based majority" is clearly just spleen, an invitation to the haters of faith, and an explosion of bigotry not seen in respectable circles for decades. It marks Geoffrey Stone as the Rosie O'Donnell of the law school world. (HT: K-Lo.) Justice Kennedy kept to his views in Casey and his dissent in Stenberg v. Carhart, and the Chief Justice and Justice Alito agreed with him. Justices Thomas and Scalia kept to their long-held views as well. The result was actually quite predictable. The shrill language and hyperbole employed by Stone undermines the "argument" he makes, just as Rosie advances every cause she opposes.
Stone is, in short, an inciter of religious bigotry. And an intellectually dishonest one at that.
When Stone wrote "[h]ere is a painfully awkward observation: All five justices in the majority in Gonzales are Catholic. The four justices who are either Protestant or Jewish all voted in accord with settled precedent," he employed a religious stereotype every bit as repulsive as the racial animus that informed Dred Scott or Plessy. He asserted that the five justices served their church and not their oaths. It was a low moment for academia, and I hope other professors join me in saying so, though I doubt very much that many will. In academia it is permissible to slander justices, but very risky to make the obvious observations about former deans.
At the University of Chicago Law School Faculty blog, Professor Rick Garnett has replied to Stone, and he deserves applause for doing so. But it is far too gentle a rebuke to Stone's invitation to join him in slandering five justices.
No serious scholar of the Constitution would agree with Stone's slash and burn attack on the justices. Not one. Look around the web in the days ahead and see who endorses his argument that a Catholic majority has seized the Supreme Court and is applying the Baltimore Catechism as opposed to the Constitution.
Geoffrey Stone is a bigot, and a vicious one at that. Few if any will rally to his view. But I fear that most if not all law professors will simply say nothing, which is an indictment of the legal academy.
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The Supremes are not left to their own devices when deciding an issue of fact and Stone knows that full well. The trial court decided that the medical procedure commonly called partial-birth abortion was never medically necessary. The appellate courts were bound by that decision unless they found clear error -- something none of the appellate courts found including the SCOUTS.
Stone advocates not only a political ruling but also a disregard for the procedural rules crafted by the courts through years of long practice. Shame on him. |
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I presume it is veiled in this:
After 12 weeks, but before about 24 or so weeks, the baby is considered "non-viable" because it can't survive on ventilators or any of the technology they use in the neonatal ICU's. When I was in training, the age of viability was about 28 weeks or so, and I think it is shrinking down due to emerging technologies, although it may not yet be 24....but you get the picture: too big to suck out with a vacuum but too little to live on it's own.
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Something I forgot to add: I am sub-specialty trained in internal medicine, and I am very, very wary when I hear people say "general consensus" because, even in my small community of subspecialists, there is rarely, if ever, "general consensus" about anything. I doubt there is in the OB world either: there is always, always, always "more than one way to skin a cat".
Anybody with OB experience want to address this specific: what are the other alternatives for delivery of a baby when the mother's life is in danger....I realize this is very rare, but what are the other choices besides this form of partial birth?
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Something I know something about.
Medical schools, as such, do not teach the D&E procedure, because medical students are not primarily responsible for patient care. The only medical school I have ever heard of even remotely endorsing this kind of thing was recently at Yale where the Yale Medical Student's for Choice hosted a "workshop" on manual vacuum aspiration using a papaya as a uterine model. I want to stress this is not routine "curriculum" for medical schools because it is unnecessary. Those students entering into OB/GYN will learn these procedures during their residency training if necessary. And a vacuum extraction is certainly not D&E--a much more invasive procedure requiring cervical dilation.
Residency programs in obstetrics and gynecology at most hospitals probably do teach this as part of their curriculum. Frequently, D&E is used as a general term in medicine to include lesser procedures such as dilation and curettage (to evacuate failed products of conception), for example. So, D&E doesn't have to mean the specific procedure used as a method of partial-birth abortion, although some use the term that way.
My point is this guy doesn't know what he is talking about because he didn't take any care with this article. He just mouthed-off an opinion failing to consider all of the facts and the implications, such as that he sounds like a bigot.
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I must have missed something. How is "intact D&E" not intentionally taking the life of a "viable fetus"? |
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"making abrupt changes in secular law" Pray tell, what secular law did the supremes change - abrupt or otherwise? They upheld a secular law passed by Congress. |
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They're public figures and it's an opinion. It's not slander, frog.
If it was slander, Hugh, Ann C and Rush could be successfully sued for some of the things they write and say.
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Jim,
Saying that a Supreme Court Justice voted the way they did because of religion is a slander. It's like assuming, and telling others, that Sam Smith married the boss's daughter for the money. It's slander, until you have some evidence to back it up.
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Mortifying, huh? Is it mortifying to point out that only the Proestant ans Jewish members of the court voted to insisted that a procedure the (mostly Protestant and Jewish) congress found "gruesome" must be permitted by society? See, Professor Stone, this type of talk cuts both ways. It's not just incitement to relious bigotry, It's almost incitement to outright religious warfare. |
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So, Hugh, is it now bigotry to point out that the 5 justices that voted to uphold the law were Catholics but the other 4 weren't?
Isn't your position political correctness gone amuck?
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coming out? That is the one I am really looking forward to. I hear they are also revisiting past decisions on indulgences, as well as ruling on the Beatification of Mother Teresa.
Geoffrey Stone is an idiot. You don't have to be Catholic to find infantcide abhorent. But ultimately all the Court did was say the law passed by Congress was enforceable. The law was consistent with Roe v. Wade, so the fact that some District and Appellate Court judges found it "unconstitutional" in the first place is what should be deemed wrong.
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Did I say Ted? I meant Dan. Ouch. Sorry Ted.
And Dan, while I'm at it, HST was much more of a "socialist" than any Democrat today. The Republicans have become the Dixiecrats. The Dems today are a coalition of Henry Wallace multiculturalists and Tom Dewey pro-market moderates. It is precisely the constituency represented by Truman--fiscally liberal but culturally conservative--that has no voice today. Truman's constituency has been effectively drowned out by the corporate media.
Again, sorry for the unforced error. |
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It's a crying shame that a man would live on God's brown earth for 70 years and not have any sense. But you confirms the suspicion that many conservative Republicans have as much antipathy towards their Democratic countrymen as they do our terrorist enemies. Poor thing. Gramps is angry because there are people in his country who have different opinions. |
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Hey, I'm a Catholic and I agreed with the Court's recent decision of partial birth abortion, but I have to admit it is intriguing that the 5-4 ruling was Catholic vs. Judeo-Protestant. That is very interesting, and Hugh's sputtering and raging on the matter is just part of his mode of operation.
Hugh goes over-the-top when confronted with an uncomfortable fact. Basically what he tries to do is outlaw it. Look at his overreaction to the term "Christianist." Hugh tries to control the terms of the debate rather than engage in the debate itself because he is a propagandist more than a seeker to truth. |
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I am a former liberal democrat. I saw the light at the age of 40 and for the last 30 years have been a Conservative Republican. I have made a decision regarding the 2008 Presidential candidate for conservative Republicans. Obviously, I will vote for whomever the Republican candidate is, but I WILL NOT work for nor will I financially support ANY candidate who does not question the patriotism of the liberal/socialist democrats and the liberal/socialist media. I WILL NOT work for nor will I financially support ANY candidate who will not clearly state that the liberal/socialist democrats in Congress and the liberal/socialist media are traitors who give comfort and support to our enemies worldwide. I WILL NOT work for nor support ANY candidate who is not willing to state that the war in Iraq would have been in far better status today and our casualties would have been far less but not for the liberal/socialist democrats and the liberal/socialist media betrayal of our national interest. I WILL NOT work for nor will I financially support any candidate who does not promise to adhere to true Conservative principles and return the United States of America to its position of world prestige. I WILL NOT vote for nor will I financially support ANY candidate who give a shred of credence to the preposterous supposition of "man made global warming".
The greatest danger to our country is not our enemies abroad, but the liberal democrats in our Congress and the gutless Republicans who are not willing to stand up to them. I WILL actively work against ANY candidate who engages in political double speak and diplo-speak. I will actively and financially work to replace RINO's no matter who or where they are. We need a candidate who is willing to stand on principle and use the same straight talk that one came to expect from HST. |
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It seems that being Catholic (on the US Supreme Court) just means that you have a superior reading comprehension (compared to the non-Catholics) when reading the text of the Constitution and previous related cases. That's how I read the evidence. What I worry about are the liberal activist judges, with overactive imaginations, who turn up into down, light into dark, no into yes. Those are the ones you really need to worry about. They don't need the other two branches. They have brainstorms and a pen.
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The wording of Prof. Stone's article is, regrettably, one of the few occasions I've found to agree with allegations of anti-Catholic bigotry. It's an over-used charge by the right, usually nonsense, but deserved in this instance.
My analysis of the decision, as posted the day it was issued, is about the same as Hugh's. The decision was highly predictable and is not the radical change claimed by either side. Kennedy is not a vote to overrule Roe, which means there aren't the votes to accomplish this at present. In fact we only know for certain that there are two votes to do so. I expect the anti-abortion forces will use the decision to push the envelope on other restrictions and I predict those efforts will largely fail.
In any event, as a Jew and a liberal, I object to any categorization of a justice based on their religious faith. A broken clock is right twice a day, and on this one, so is Hugh. |
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So if one guy is saying that Catholic justices are fudging the constitution to reach Catholic results, and the evidence is pretty clear that he's wrong about the motive; and another guy calls him on it; its the second guy who's appealing to baser emotions?
Huh. You know what holiday I hate? MLK day. Dude was all about the baser emotions. |
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The question of limbo (not purgatory) was never settled, and the Church has still not come down definitively on the subject. |
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