Saturday, July 28, 2007
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Why the YouTube Debate Matters
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Posted by:
Patrick Ruffini at
1:09 AM
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Why am I so worked up about the YouTube debate? Because I want to win. This is not an emotional issue for me. It is rather a business decision about whether or not the Republican Party will be able to compete effectively over the next twenty years or so. The media business has had to respond to the brutal realities of the digital world; in his most candid moments, the editor of the New York Times talks about the death of the print edition. Is anyone thinking about what GOP, Inc. looks like 10 or 15 years from now? Zack Exley has long been the online bete-noire for the right. He’s had George W. Bush personally call him a “garbage man,” which of course, made him even bigger than he already was. He recounts how the Kerry campaign, which he was part of, planned to wage a conventional Democratic campaign in 2004, being outspent by the Bush machine by 2 to 1 or more. Until something incredible happened. Kerry became the nominee, and the money just started pouring in from the Internet, and it was enough to almost match the fearsome Ranger-Pioneer apparatus. This is the scary part: However, if any of the GOP campaign managers are expecting the same thing to happen when their guy emerges as the nominee, they’re setting themselves up for one big disappointment. What they need to realize is that the potential for online fundraising and mobilization that the Kerry campaign worked to maximize had been entirely created by the progressive movement at large: the blogs, MoveOn and other large and small online grassroots organizations and the campaigns of the other primary candidates, above all the Dean campaign. As Joe Trippi noted the other night in Charleston: that online base-building process has not yet happened on the right. Walking away from the YouTube debate is just one more way that the Republican establishment is stubbornly refusing to get started. Here’s that Trippi video I commented on earlier. The part that you campaign managers need to watch starts with about 2:33 left in the tape: In 2004, the Democrats could have expected to be outspent by 2-to-1. In March 2008, it’s the Republicans who’ll have to brace for that fate. As Zack correctly notes, Democratic online fundraising has proven to be just as potent as Republican bundler programs AND Democrats now have bundlers of their own. (Sorry guys, but this was entirely preventable.) This is the part where you’re wondering, what in the heck does YouTube have to do with money? If I go on YouTube, will I raise tens of millions? You have to be kidding right? I’m glad you asked. At the end of the day, the issue is not YouTube. The YouTube debate snub is the symptom, not the disease. If Republicans fret about a simple debate format, which is really just the modern version of the 1992 townhall debate, how in the heck are we going to be make the really bold, gutsy decisions to transform our campaigns so we can raise over $100 million online and recruit millions — yes millions — of volunteers over the Internet? If our campaign operatives believe the comfortable lie that 95% or more of the action is offline, we will never have the vision or the capacity or the incentive to change. We will never announce our candidacies online. We will never do a Sopranos video. We will never successfully inflict a Macaca moment on a vulnerable Democrat. We will never raise any real money online. We will never build the kind of organically grown lists of 2-3 million that MoveOn or the Kerry campaign or ONE built. We will never have the courage to empower our supporters to power us out the rough patches, as John McCain could easily have done two weeks ago. We will instead be defensive and afraid of the new world, and that’s no way to win. What’s the alternative? Simple. You start by setting what business writer Jim Collins calls “Big Hairy Audacious Goals” (BHAGs). And then you work tirelessly to meet them. You make the online campaigns matter, in the macro sense of everyone knows that’s where the action is, and that’s where the real decisions are being made. Online, audiences follow content. The progressive Internet was dead until — holy crap! — they were actually organizing, funding candidates, and outwitting the traditional engines of the left. There’s no reason that can’t be true for Republicans. They said we couldn’t do GOTV in rural and suburban areas — until we did it. They said we couldn’t recruit 1.4 million volunteers in 2004 — until we did it. And I’m optimistic that they’ll say we’ll never know how to use the Internet — until we do that too. If you think this is about snowmen, you are sadly mistaken. These aren’t frivolities. These are the fundamentals. Without fundamentals, we die. So, the answer is no, I don’t want to be arguing about a stupid debate format. I want to be talking about transformational change in the way we practice politics, and a wild overreaction to a little openness in a debate is what’s getting in the way of that. The campaign objections to this debate are like a group of astrophysicists quibbling over multiplication tables. Or maybe some anonymous campaign aide is right and I do have a “narrow focus.” But that quote is revealing in itself. I can assure you that the Democrats don’t think of this stuff as a “narrow focus.” And if you win, you’ll get to learn that lesson the hard way in seven months. IT’S FUNNY THAT MITT ROMNEY talks about “respectfulness.” Because I always assumed that was a two-way street. The Save the Debate coalition includes many grassroots supporters of the various candidates, but two I’d like to single out are Ann Marie Curling, of the Elect Romney in 2008 blog, and Josh Hersh, who just spent his summer working his heart out for Rudy Giuliani in Des Moines. They aren’t weirdos or recluses or pedophiles, but two of the strongest supporters of their candidates you’ll ever meet. If they were ever to get off the bus — not that they will — word would spread and hundreds more, many generations removed, would follow. That’s the kind of energy that super-volunteers like Ann Marie and Josh can bring to a campaign. And, candidates, you are snubbing them too! That’s what so sad about this whole debate. If your campaign’s best supporters feel alienated by your online efforts (or lack thereof), or feel like you’re not giving them the tools they need to evangelize on your behalf, isn’t the issue on your end, not theirs? But isn’t this a macro problem, and it isn’t about the Internet or YouTube. It’s not just that they won’t listen to YouTube questions. It’s that they won’t listen on immigration. They won’t listen on spending. They won’t listen on standing strong for the troops. Rightly or wrongly, conservatives’ sense of betrayal in the second term is rooted in one key theme: they won’t listen. That’s the root cause of the anemic state of grassroots activism, online and off. They won’t listen. Listening doesn’t mean pandering or bending to the will of your audience. It does mean engaging them in a meaningful dialog, telling people why you disagree, and respecting them. It means pugnaciously tearing into the other side with logic and facts. When George W. Bush has tried too hard to seem “Presidential” and “dignified” and “above the fray” his approval ratings almost always dropped. Why are our candidates seeking to repeat that mistake?  In fact, virtually the only sustained rise in Bush’s approval ratings not related to a terrorist attack or a war came during the 2004 campaign, the time when he appeared the least Presidential, the time when he tried hardest to appeal to us as a regular guy, the time he wasn’t afraid to confront — even ridicule — his opponents. Take note, Governor Romney. Decorum is highly overrated. I don’t want a President who’s Presidential. I want a President who fights. Especially when we are at war.
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EugWal is very accurate and everyone should scroll back up and read it again. |
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Decorum is not overrated, nor is CHARACTER. You should write for the Huffington Post.
Take Note Patrick Ruffini, Fred Thompson is afraid to jump into the ring much less FIGHT. Why dont you put that in your post?
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Jeepers,am I surprised.Here,let me'splain:Mostly, but not always,it's the Lefty KosRoaches infesting Hugh's site that take up that much space and wind.Thus....Get it??
Nope,by some strange stretch,you undoubtedly qualify as some weird koolaid kid of the Right. Whew...Nuthin'personal,Pal...But,Kos can have ya. |
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I've read over and over how Fred Thompson is a genesis. He does'nt debate, he is avoiding much of the scrutiny involved in the campaign and so on and so on. Now many of these Thompson supporters are all over Romney and Rudy for opting out this debacle of a debate. Mind you, there is a Fox sponsered debate in Orlando FL a couple weeks later.
I expect the Lib's to whine, but the Fred Thompson supporters have got to be kidding. |
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For starters it samples only the slice of elecorate that has the means to afford the video technology to submit a question. For my full review of the You Tube Debate please see http://www.NonPartisans.Org
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...how about space development, particularly development of solar power from space as a solution to everything from global climate change (whether man-caused or not) to the WOT (because we wouldn't need oil from the ME or other countries who envy us).
Although I seriously doubt my question will be selected by CNN for presentation to the candidates, I am planning to post a video in the near future for the debate. Of course, 30 seconds is hardly time to pose a question, let alone provide any background.
Still, for those interested in learning more about how solar power from space could solve a lot of problems that seem insoluble today, check out the website for the National Space Society, http://www.nss.org.
Einstein once said something to the effect that the solution to any problem must always be looked for at a level of logic higher than that of the problem itself.
Maybe we who consider ourselves Americans regardless of party affiliation need to start looking at the next level of logic and educating our families and friends to do likewise. Otherwise we'll never find solutions for the problems of the day.
Unless, of course, you'd all rather go on ripping each other to shreds on the blogs and counting coup.
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WOW.3 sentences from me & hundreds from you. You gotta be a Lefty in disguise! Whew...Not sure I've come across "this kind" of Righty stuff at TownHall,Boy-yo. You're not fishing for a reply,just a really bizarre soapbox. WHEW! |
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it perfectly. While Republicans need to get better in step with media, a CNN/YouTube debate is NOT what I want to see from Republican candidates. I am enraged that from 2,000 to 3,000 video submissions, CNN chose the TRIPE it chose to present to -- and to represent -- the American people. The questions selected were dismal, stupid and not representative of any people I know -- including liberals. Patrick can say "it's not about snowmen" all he wants, but it IS about snowmen. It's about media skewing and bias in selection; it's about stupidity; it's about young voters who think it's "cool" that Obama displayed his personal charm and personality and that's why they like him best. So many people have compared the debate to American Idol, and it is an apt comparison.
The Democratic debates were worthless as far as I'm concerned. I expect one heckuva lot more from the September debate, although I fear I will be disappointed again, especially if CNN orchestrates. But I was to hear questions on the issues that really matter: securing our borders, building the fence, boosting the armed forces, stopping and resolving illegal immigration, taxes, AMT, reduced spending, smaller government, a permanet ban of the Fairness Doctrine. About 90% of the questions asked were just dumb -- and that, I believe, is attributable to CNN a lot more than it is attributable to liberals. |
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A CNN/YouTube debate format is the perfect way for Michael Moore to get even with Fred Thompson.
Moore is very talented at ambush journalism and can script and produce a 100 videos each starring a different MoonBat. He is bound to get one or more in with a little help from CNN.
Of course other candidates could be shot down also. Huffington, Kos and MyDD are all fully capable of helping Mike Moore select the next Republican nominee.
On Silicon Valley being in CA, one reason is that Stanford allows it's professors to keep the patent rights to the inventions they make on University time and with University facilities. Most Universities claim rights on any and everything profs invent. Stanford allows the profs to keep the rights in order to attack the best in the World. After they leave Stanford and get rich they give back to the School. |
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Rudy,thank Gawd,has a much closer-realistic fix on what America's 'greatest threat' is. Interest Groups?? Killing Islamist Savages is a tad up the line,Jack. |
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Exactly. That's why both parties are suffering declines in membership. The most telling statistic of all is not even being discussed. Americans are fed up with their government. |
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Usually it's the KosRoaches on Hugh's site that take that kinda room for comment. In your case, fellow-Rudy-Guy,the space was well worth it. Good Stuff. |
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"I want to be talking about transformational change in the way we practice politics..."
Not everyone wants that, and you're not convincing me I need to want that. Politics is dynamic and always has been, and Republicans have always been behind the curve with regards to technology and ahead with regards to functional ideas. So what's new?
I'll tell you what's new as a matter of fact: Rudy. Rudy is new because unlike Mitt (especially) this year, Bush, Dole, and Bush (the elder), Rudy chooses the narrative. If Rudy wants to YouTube, he could and do fine. If he doesn't, he can choose that option as well and do fine, essentially because, like Reagan, Rudy can cut throught the NY Times and NBC filters and talk directly to the voting public, and we (as a whole) like what we hear. Reagan's "we win, they lose" could have been attacked as a simplistic, dangerous jingoism on PBS and NPR (et. al.) daily, yet Reagan's message got through and won the day. Please note I'm not supporting Rudy saying no to the debate, I'm saying it really doesn't matter.
Here's why: Rudy will attack those who deserve to be attacked, while Bush attacks only his base. Truly, sadly, and dumbfoundingly. Please consider this within the parameters of the 2008 election. Rudy attacks Al Sharpton and the New York Times along with Hillary, while Bush attacks conservatives who disaggree with him while allowing, and since Bush is the President I believe "allowing" or even "enabling" is a proper term, the NY Times to print national security secrets with immunity.
Please, anyone reading this, think of Bush praising Islam, illegal immigrants, Ted Kennedy, NY Times, and any other "problem" America is dealing with, then consider what he called me for not liking his immigration plan: a bigot who doesn't want what's best for the country (he couldn't even give me, his base (twice voted for him), the benefit of being too dumb to understand what's right for the country, he had to imply that I do know what's right for the country and I in fact want the opposite). Bush has in effect stated that all of his political opponents are highly patriotic and his base is anti-American.
The damnable fool (whose still great of the war).
This, of course, is not to say President Rudy would throw the entire staff of the NY Times into Club Gitmo, but Rudy isn't afraid to say what conservatives feel. Rudy has taken on the NY Times, AND WON! This difference between the betrayal of Bush to his base and Rudy and his fighting attitude is why Rudy is the hero of the polls right now, and it's not going to change.
Why is Rush popular? Of course it's because of talent, and a lot of that talent is mocking and ridiculing those who deserve it, according to me (his audience, albeit a small part). Same with Rudy, regardless of YouTube. Rudy is much, much more civil of course, but within the realm of politics Rudy is Rush, and Rush runs the country (you know it, Rush knows it, and I know it).
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to silence the Majority of American Voters who never use that site!
Patrick, you're flat wrong on this.
There are ways to use the internet that do not involve pandering to George Soros or paying YouTube advertisers. |
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I've got very different conclusions(thus far,and it's early). Rudy as a Lefty just doesn't cut it. I'm 63,grew up in a Southern Calif. Buck hunting, jack rabbit shooting outdoor family of L.A. suburb dwellers.I've had guns in my hands since age 2. Point being,Rudy's views on guns don't even raise a tiny tick in my pulse. READ his 12-Promises. I believe him. |
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Anyone who believes in open borders cannot be serious about the GWOT. He is also for gun control. He is running for the wrong party. The only reason the Dems look so strong is that the GOP is so weak. A strong candidate, even in a field of ten candidates, should be polling better than "none of the above". The top three are garnering only 50% combined. This is a very, very weak field. The true indicator will be when either party fields a candidate who brings new voters into the party. Both parties are shrinking. This is an awful race all around so far and if both parties nominate their current front runner, we may have 2-3 independent candidates attracting 30-35% of the vote. It is not a sign of a strong democracy when we throw logic aside for emotion based on fear of Islamic extremism. There are much better candidates somewhere who will do a better job all around. We don't have to elect a democrat nor a Democrat. Let's elect a conservative Republican. After all, that is what today's Rasmussen survey tells us voters are looking for:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070728/NATION/107280050/1001
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You have a great point their is a need for Reagan. However, we have what we have. Thompson in spite of his support will barely be able to assemble a working machine and funding.
We have the candidates that we have and there will be no white knights.
Patrick and an earlier poster are wrong. The questions can be more important than than the answers. It is possible to ask questions that shaft the candidate no matter how they answer. If done well in a visual format it can blow one or more of the candidates out.
You Tube is designed for slow motion debates where one person posts a video and then another can give careful thought and preparation and create an answer video in a few hours or days. A few fools engage in live You Tube debates but that is not a wise format for Presidential candidates.
When you allow the questioners weeks to prepare trap questions and expect candidates to give ad hoc "talking head" answers you are asking for the destruction of one or more of the major candidates.
Do you want CNN to select the Rep candidate? Reagan knew enough about media that he would have avoided this trap. I suspect Thompson and Rudy are smart and experienced enough to avoid it also.
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I’ve never felt compelled to comment on a blog, but I read them a lot and I’m so tired of reading so called Republican web consultants and bloggers complaining about how our party is “behind” online. They love to hold up the Dean campaign and the Kerry campaign as examples of how the Democrats “get it,” yet they seem to forget one thing…KERRY AND DEAN LOST!!! This cycle, the Democrats are raising more money online than Republicans. There are a lot of factors in that, not least of which is the general condition of our party right now…we’re sucking eggs under the weight of a Republican majority in Congress that lost their way and paid the price, an unpopular war, and a very unpopular President.
This analysis of online fundraising is interesting, but only if 2004 is the only example to which to compare. In reality, there is another, 2000, where one of our candidates, John McCain, saw a huge online windfall after winning the NH primary. In 2000, there were no “other large and small online grassroots organizations” to fuel this influx of cash…it happened through earned media and through the clarity of contrast. I would guess that what pushed people to give to Kerry in 2004 was much of the same - when it became clear he was going to be the nominee and the only alternative to the Republican, the money consolidated and came in online. I see no reason to believe it won’t happen again in 2008 for our eventual republican nominee…YouTube debate or not.
For once, why don’t we Republicans get some perspective? We’ve won the last two presidential elections. When we have a nominee who emerges and becomes the clear alternative to Hillary Clinton, we’ll see the same consolidation of support online. We have a growing and robust conservative blogosphere and an even stronger conservative radio following. So what if our candidates don’t Twitter, hang out on MySpace, or take questions from a talking snowman?
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...you re: American Idol analogy. Only, it would look far,far sillier.(Imagine that!)
I HUGELY disagree with you about 'No' candidate from our current lot.It's darn good for our system to have them bundled at reasonably low- competitive percentages at this point.Much better horse race and good for America,I suspect. Rudy's my guy and not yours.That makes the Repub World go 'round.The BIG ISSUE of our time is the War with Radical Islam and the overall situation in the Middle East.Nothing comes close.The Dems look fatuous & silly-lite on this Vast Central Point.I'd also add that Rudy is a true conservative regarding most Repub issues. Revue his 12 Promises to America.It is WORTH IT. Promise.I'd argue,as Hugh often does, that our bunch are Far,Far more serious and heavier duty men than any of the Dems.Rudy or Mitt or(if)Fred are Heavy Duty-Tough Guys with serious gravitas and brains attached to their spinal chords. Mitt's been taking on the Dems in a serious way lately and they look like student council dweebs by comparison.Rudy needs to do likewise--Relentlessly. |
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Work a deal with face book. It has more potential and less risk and is much more effective for raising money. You Tube has predominately been used as the car for drive by shootings of Republican candidates, when it is not being used by Obama girl and Hillary girl to further their own careers.
We need to develop our own structures. Further, the biggest problem is not You Tube, the biggest problem is CNN and the question selection. That is where the risk comes from. If there is a mechanism for screening out "candidate assault" Tubes then this becomes a much more viable format.
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"Take note, Governor Romney. Decorum is highly overrated."
A 'debate' where the questions are just stupid is NOT better than a poorly executed conventional debate.
Want to see where we are headed? Rent and view the movie "Idiocracy". As a movie it has a lot of flaws, but the satire is spot on. |
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http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070728/NATION/107280050/1001
John Hinderaker at Powerline linked to this minutes ago. Conservatives outnumber liberals 32% to 20%. Although 35% describe themselves as "progressive", John argues that this is because people have yet to figure out that "progressive" means "more liberal than they used to be". Only 29% describe themselves as "moderate" but you have to wonder how many "progressives" meant "moderate". So conservative to moderate accounts for at least 61% of voters. And most voters are looking for "another Reagan". They are not seeing that on the current GOP menu. Is anyone listening? Hello? Does this thing work? |
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I agree that conservatives need to learn to make better use of the new media, but let's pick and choose, not just blindly jump into everything that smacks of microchips. YouTube? You've got to be kidding! 2 million viewers of which 800K were the magical "youth vote"? Ron Popiel gets better numbers than that! Macaca moments---now that's different and I hope our side has some guys with video recorders following the Dems around the capture some of their more memorable unscripted Commie moments on the campaign trail.
And, BTW PP, the reason the numbers are so low for the current candidates is NOBODY'S PAYING ATTENTION YET. It's too early except for hard core party types and 24/7 news channels. Who cares what's going on now when the election is over a year away!? |
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....yes! Use it, but not become a victim of it.
The CNN/You Tube debate is not the best and highest use of this vaunted new media.
Instead of being lemmings following along with the looney tune democrats and tumbling headlong into the abyss of absurdity, how about our side ELEVATING and INTELLIGENTLY using the new media you are arguing for so passionately? |
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Of course "they" won't listen. They don't have the courage to walk away from the sticky globalist money that comes in big chunks and has all kinds of strings attached. Beyond that, we just don't have a candidate. To have a democrat like Giuliani leading the pack in a dead heat with someone who is not even in the race at a meager 20% while the biggest fundraiser, Romney, is stuck at 10% tells us something important: that the GOP cannot win with this crew. We are heading unavoidably into another election where the last desperate days will be wasted chanting "Sure we're bad, but THEY'RE WORSE!"
We need to rally around conservative values and find the candidates we can trust because they have been committed to those values forever. To nominate a Giuliani who is no different in real life than Clinton just because he promises to violate his own personal values to deliver on ours is just not going to sell.
The GOP is in very deep trouble and no amount of clever gamesmanship or rhetoric is going to solve the core problem. We need a real candidate. One who will prevail by promoting a coherent vision of America that reflects his own core conservative values. What we have now, are three ambitious but "open to ideas" candidates who won't take risks. Their campaigns consist of posing and preening while trying to sell us on a patchwork quilt of issues. It is all so phony and empty.
Although I agree with everything you say in this essay, these guys REALLY ARE auditioning for president on American Idol and agreeing to a YouTube "debate" will only magnify the problem. We need to clear the deck and find a real candidate with charisma, conservative bona fides and a burning desire to lead rather than just to be president as a personal trophy. Let's talk about Duncan Hunter already. |
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"Debates"(yeah,right...)on his show yesterday.
Disclosure:I'm a T-Rex and minimally aware of U-Tube and its uses(sic),but a blind man could see that: a.)it is a really bad cartoon...b.)As HH warns,a pre-ordained minefield for cheap ambushes form the "all about fairness" doofus broadcasters...c.)Vastly Undignified & Un-Presidential...d.)Lettum' take 'Hugh's Answers' to the Vapid Lefty Questions and call it a day. There's nothing to be gained,except brunts of jokes on Lrno & Letterman. |
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The quality of the CNN/YouTube event was sorry - the quality of the questions were inane for the most part, basically none of them challenged the dhimmies hard at all. And after the Chris Matthews parody of a debate where the moderator did not even ask serious questions, I can understand reluctance to allow the possibility of sand bagging, (rotten) cherry picking etc. that is very possibly going to happen if the format is not tweaked. But where have dhimmies in the last years ever had tough questions presented to them where they have actually had to answer and not simply have temper tantrums or condemn the one asking the question? I am not sure how, but Ruffini's basic point is correct: either the Republican party gets in front of this "newest media" and learns how to operate in its realities, or we will be left behind for sure. And as to looking Presidential, not one of the dhimmie candidates looks Presidential at all, but they are ahead in polls and money. Standing on dignity is usually to find oneself standing on very shaky ground. |
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Liberals Going After Fox Advertisers
I am not worried about the sillyness of the You Tube debates, except for the fact that it is being used as a tool by the Media to show how really stupid the American public can be.
What gives me more concern is George Soros funding a pack of Brown Shirts to go after anyone who advertizes on a "Conservative" format..
http://thecitytroll.blogspot.com/2007/07/bolsheviks-on-move.html |
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Did Patrick Ruffini just say we must learn to live in a dumber world? |
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Real Americans asking real questions -- and about time!
In the past, it's been old, rich, fat, white men asking prepared, rehearsed questions of other old, rich, fat, white men.
This was democracy in action. And the fact that "journalists" will loose their jobs as citizens take over only sweetens the pie. |
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Well said.
No fear, no worries, let's work to win.
I like it.
How come no U-TUBER asked Hillary why she and Bill lied about the Genocide in Rwanda?
Or, better yet...
Why they negligently ignored the threat of al Qaeda, and like minded Muslim Militants, even after they bombed the WTC in 1993?
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I guess you haven't yet heard the latest on your "young truthtelling soldier in Iraq":
http://exurbanleague.com/2007/07/27/beauchump.aspx
I think Pvt. Beauchump might have a few years in Leavenworth to tighten up his clunky prose.
But you and I do agree on one important point: Kimmel's the funniest guy in late night. And (usually) has the best bands.
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I call Hugh and Duane "pompous windbags" and then launch into some pompous windbaggery of my own..
Good night, my reactionary friends. Time to see the funniest guy on late night--Jimmy Kimmel. |
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Hugh and Generalissimo's arguments are those of pompous windbags. Some people prefer contrived environments to democracy.
And btw, the argument that the Republicans are serious, have gravitas, are decorous, is dead. Recent experience with Republican leadership has confirmed to the American people that these things run deeper than just being a pretentious and self-serious louse. The only ones bamboozled by the "serious Republicans" act are inside-the-beltway types, and they'll believe ANYthing.
It could be, as Josh Marshall pointed out, that Republicans are afraid to let America see the kooks and unserious people who populate THEIR base. Maybe that is at the heart of Hugh's animus towards the Youtbue debate.
Btw, all, with ref. to the "Kos Kids" insult, I rather doubt that the left-of-center posters have much to do with Daily Kos. I don't even read the site, except maybe on election day (i.e. once ever two years). But I, for one, read Josh Marshall religiously. Unlike Hugh, who just blows allegations out his keister--the recent assault on the young truthtelling soldier in Iraq is the latest example--Josh holds to standards of objectivity and truth. He does this while also providing penetrating insight, perspective, and wisdom well beyond his years.
The days are over--maybe not with the MSM and the punditry, but with the broader American public--when you Republicans could be considered "heavies" simply because you played them on teevee. Pretending won't do it anymore. If you are going to be taken seriously going forward, it will have to be from the content of your ideas--and frankly, after seven years of Bush, twelve years of Republican Congress, and six years of unbridled GOP dominance over government, those ideas are getting pretty stale. Everyone knows what they are, that's for sure.
But, heck, you've heard this from me before. Its a word of warning, that's all. The 25-30% of the electorate that are committed Republican base voters may be enough to kick up a lot of noise--kinda like the left did back in the late 60s and early 70s. But there is a silent majority. It wins elections. And it gets angry when one sector of the body politic is perpetually divisive, revolutionary, and self-insistent. That sector was the left back when, and it led to a generation or two of conservative ascendancy. Now that sector is the Republican base--keep your fingers crossed for a permanent center-left majority. |
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So what...most people don't watch those political "performances", anyway. The Donkeys haven't had a real "Debate", yet...and I don't ever expect one. They don't want people to know what they really stand for.. so all they will ever allow is some televised political distraction of fluff & pomp. For those of the superficial, mindless, You-tube pursuasion, have at it. |
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what would happen to the poll numbers and the fundraising to one of the GOP (credible) candidates if he were to speak out in favor of the youtube debate. |
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I'm coming around to your arguments Patrick.
It's not the question, but the handling of the question. Maybe because I was just reading the book "In the Line of Fire" by Weissman, but it's sure to be that more people who would not otherwise watch will watch (who cares about those on this forum) this debate and the handling of even the stupidest of questions may make a difference.
I don't like it, but that's just the way it seems to be. We keep fighting only to keep from losing feet instead of inches, but always those inches are adding up. Simple competence today is now considered greatness and moonbat questions are taken seriously.
I'd just like to see as I think you said in another post that they respond in a way that does not validate either the crazy questions or CNN for picking them. |
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YouTube debates (of the type we witnessed recently) are to debates what push polling is to polling. It’s just an excuse for cynical jerks (at CNN) to turn something that should be of value (to voters) into an embarrassing farce. It's worse than worthless. As it was done by CNN, it’s degrading and disrespectful to the future leader of the Free World, Democrat or Republican, whoever that might be. We should take YouTube debates as seriously as most of the YouTube questioners--not at all. They should stay far away if they have any self-respect.
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Well stated, Patrick. We can't stand athwart technology yelling "stop" and expect to retain any relevance. With the Republican base deeply dispirited and fundraising bottoming out, being overly cautious is a luxury the GOP and this nation cannot afford.
I highly recommend to any serious GOP candidate that he should take this YouTube debate and knock it out of the ballpark. Sure there's risk; that's why the reward is so great.
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