Monday, April 14, 2008
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Obama Wasn't Just Insulting Pennsylvanians
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Posted by:
Hugh Hewitt at
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Obama doesn't understand a great deal of America. He has no experience with it other than as a politician looking for votes, and even that experience outside of Chicago has been accumulated only since he began his run for the U.S. Senate in 2003. His life has made him keenly aware of urban dysfunction and of African-American issues even as it has exposed him to the Third World in a way that very few American officials have been.
But he is blind to what makes most American communities work. His family experiences and his work experiences have never immersed him in the majority of America that not only functions but indeed thrives. His projection on to that America of his own beliefs -- that odd mix of the beliefs assembled during his very unusual childhood, in Hawaii's most privileged school, on Chicago's south side, and at Columbia and Harvard Law School and Trinity's congregation-- has opened a lot of eyes to just how different Obama's vision of America is.
There is a furious amount of spinning underway to save Senator Obama from the consequences of his candid assessment of Americans who don't live in the big cities or on the coasts. Howard Kurtz, for example, wants to narrow the impact of Obama's slight to just small town Keystone staters, and also asserts that everyone knows what Obama meant.
"And yet, most people (and most journalists) know what he was trying to say," Howard opined. "Not that small towners are gun nuts. Or religious nuts, not from a regular churchgoer. The senator was trying to say that these folks voted on social issues, distracting wedge issues, when their real problem was economic."
I don't think that's what he meant at all. He meant that most Americans are bitter. And Senator Obama agrees with me.
Senator Obama doubled down in this appearance at the Compassion Forum last night. (RCP has the transcript here.) In fielding a question about poverty from Jim Wallis, Obama added this explanation:
You know, this actually goes back to the earlier point you raised where Senator Clinton suggested I was being elitist when I said that people are frustrated and bitter. That is absolutely true. That's not just true in small towns. That's true in urban areas. That's true in my community of the South Side of Chicago. Because people feel forgotten. They feel as if nobody is listening in Washington.
Politics as therapy; Americans as bitter, failed people. That's the senator's story and he's sticking with it. It is the very vision that motivated Jimmy Carter's malaise speech --"It's clear that the true problems of our Nation are much deeper -- deeper than gasoline lines of energy shortages, deeper even than inflation or recession"-- recycled and with a much better delivery.
But Obama's vision just isn't true for the majority of Americans. Most Americans are productive and generally happy; hard-working and actively involved in their communities through church and their children's schools.
Most Americans are generous, and favorably disposed towards strangers and eager to help the world.
Obama doesn't know this America, which is certainly the backbone of most suburbs, small towns and rural communities in flyover-country and, truth be told, on most of the coasts outside of the largest urban centers.
What Obama knows is the world in which he has lived, which is a strange combination of some of the toughest neighborhoods in the U.S. and its most elite institutions. He belonged to a church that indulged radical politics in its weekly bulletin and from its pulpit even as it struggled to help some devastated neighborhoods. He did so after attending and absorbing the attitudes of America's most elite law school and having been taught by its --mostly-- hard-left professors. He does so from the lofty perch of the U.S. Senate. He's had a schizophrenic life that combined the toughest aspects of America and its most indulgent.
No wonder he is clueless about "flyover land."
Obama also talked last night about his membership in Pastor Jeremiah Wright's church and his days as an "organizer":
OBAMA: Well, I actually wrote about this in my second book, "Audacity of Hope" I had worked as an organizer on the South Side, as I mentioned and it was tough work.
OBAMA: You know, the community was in difficult straits. And I was bringing churches together to set up job training programs and after-school programs for youth and to try to bring economic development to the community.
I had been raised in a nonreligious home. My mother was the most spiritual person I know, but was mistrustful of organized religion, in part because of some of her experiences seeing segregation being compatible with organized religion. And so we went to church very infrequently.
So as I'm doing this organizing, some of the pastors started saying, You know, you've got great ideas, Obama, but, you know, if you're going to organize churches, it might help if you were going to church.
(LAUGHTER)
And I thought, Well, that's not an unreasonable position. And so I started visiting some churches. Trinity United Church of Christ was one of the churches that we were trying to get involved in the organization.
I visited that church and found the ministries that they were doing on HIV/AIDS, on prison ministries, there were a whole host of wonderful ministries that they were engaged in. And Reverend Wright's sermons spoke directly to the social gospel, the need to act and not just to sit in the pews.
And so I found that very attractive and ended up joining the church when I got out of law school. Now, I have to say that, you know, in reports subsequently, there's been this notion that he was, by various terms, my spiritual adviser or my spiritual mentor. You know, he's been my pastor.
And what that means is, is that, you know, the ministries that have been built in that church community have been very important to me. It also means that there are areas where we've disagreed on. And, obviously, the most recent loop that's been playing -- Reverend Wright's greatest hits, so to speak...
(LAUGHTER)
... are, I think, both a distortion of who he is and what the church has been about, but also express...
(APPLAUSE)
... but also express, you know, some comments that I think are deeply offensive and are contrary to what I believe. And I've told him so and have made a lot of statements about that, including one pretty long one in Philadelphia.
But that doesn't detract...
(APPLAUSE)
That, I think, doesn't detract from the incredible church community that this is. And I think that all of us who have been part of a faith community know that the church is a body of believers and it brings in the imperfections of us, men and women.
And, you know, pastors are imperfect. Certainly, the membership is imperfect. I, as somebody who is sitting in the pews as a sinner, is imperfect. And, you know, that doesn't detract from, I think, what the church is supposed to be about, which is to worship God and proclaim the good news.
A number of things stand out in these remarks.
First, Obama directs the audience to his second book when his first book, Dreams From My Father, is much more revealing about who he is and where he comes from, and which includes a very detailed account of his years as an "organizer." This account explains a great deal of Obama's projection of bitterness on to small city and town America.
Second, this is at best a highly edited portrait of Trinity and of Pastor Wright's politics. "The most recent loop" Obama refers to hasn't been countered by the release of an avalanche of Pastor Wright's sermons proving that his incendiary remarks were exceptions to the rule. As we know from Dreams From My Father, the very first sermon Obama heard Pastor Wright preach included a denunciation of the "white man's greed," (Powerline has posted the audio here) and the church has indulged anti-semitic fanatics with lots of space in its bulletin. The good work that the church has certainly done should not excuse Senator Obama's indifference to the extremist rhetoric it also embraced.
But it is the sheer length of time that Obama has spent as an organizer, lawyer and elected official from Chicago's south side that is coming through in his projection of bitterness on to vast swaths of America.
It is clear that Obama has spent much of the last 30 years in and around some very dysfunctional neighborhoods full of some broken and almost certainly bitter people.
He has been hearing and speaking complaints against the powerful for just as long.
He has not been building a small family business and coaching in the AYSO league, making budget in a medium-sized corporation or manning the snack booth at the football game, teaching the AP English course or organizing the Knights of Columbus or Society of St. Vincent de Paul food drive.
I spent the last three days back in northeast Ohio, first as the speaker at a regional prolife lunch full of moms and dads and clergy, then at an Indians game, then in my home town of Warren which has seen more than its share of job losses and population decline. I was lucky to be there for the annual fundraiser for my Catholic high school, to see a lot of old friends working very hard to keep the school running and excelling. The cross-section of folks committed to the community, to the school, to the parishes and each other is reassuring that Obama's gloomy vision is simply not true.
I don't think Obama can persuade the majority of the non-urban U.S. that he will ever understand their communities or their lives. The past 72 hours built on the disconnect many were already feeling about Pastor Wright's anger, and the corrosive effect on Obama's appeal will be profound and prolonged. It may not be enough to resurrect Hillary's campaign given that her distance from ordinary Americans is pretty profound as well, but John McCain's claim on the respect if not the affection of Americans of all backgrounds will contrast sharply and to his favor with Obama's condescending attribution of bitterness all around.
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Thanks, Hugh, for a great analysis of Obama's "bitter" comments. By providing this background you have demonstrated that his words are symptomatic of his elitist view of America, which make the origin of Michele Obama's anti-American remarks from a few weeks back much clearer. |
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as someone who's out the country a great deal of the time and 'out of the loop' on keeping up with day to day political developments at home. Obama's shear absense of understanding his countrymen and, therefore, his country itself, is a shocker. When I last left for Zurich the Senator was still enjoying Golden Boy status. A scant few weeks later, he has revealed a cavern of ignorance and tin ear political play that has me just shaking my head.
My friend, Neo, has used the term(I've been catching up on alot of HH thread reading)"clueless" repeatedly and that works for me, as well. Who would'da thunk? |
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Obama and Michelle do not speak for most Americans. It is my opinion they need to listen to a few Liberty Mutual commercials to understand the meaning of values.
I remember plowing a neighbors field when he or his family had problems which prevented them from preparing for the next planting. Part of our job was scanning the horizon for telltale signs of smoke signalling a problem, usually a haystack on fire. We dropped what we were doing and rushed to help. The women would prepare food or work alongside the men. When a man's haystack is on fire it doesn't matter what his political affiliation is.
Like I was told in the military, "It doesn't matter who is in the foxhole with you as long as he or she can shoot straight." The second ammendment and it's supporters (gun enthusiasts) remind us that freedom comes with a cost. It is not free. The symbolism of "Mere words" as Obama is fond of saying, does not reflect the symbolism that makes the Constitution beautiful and meaningful to the those of us he considers the unwashed masses.
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I think that the thing we must constantly remember is that liberals and Democrats by and large simply do not care about any specifics that Obama might lay out. They care that he is new and shiny and that he is a D.
If we want to keep him out of the White House, then we have to step up our own game. We won't trip him up in his. |
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and he advised McCain to just continue sitting back, stay away from mics, avoid E-mail 'send' buttons, don't do interviews and let Hillary and Barack tear each other to shreds. It is all for the greater Republican Good!
Sound advice, Senator McCain. |
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Few people are one-dimensional. The arguments we are being subjected to over Obama's religion are akin, for example, to arguments that a convicted multiple murderer is really just a victim and besides, he likes little furry animals.
This is not an either-or issue. Few are. It's a "both" situation, and observers need to decide what are the candidates' defining characteristics. Clinton's are pretty much set; too much is known about Billary for her to skate through on a manufactured image - though she's trying. And McCain has an actual record.
But for a while, Obama was allowed to portray himself as an articulate "savior" with unquestionably good intentions and have that accepted as his defining characteristic by fawning supporters, who have not given up that one-dimensional perception. Now, with more unpleasant information available about him, the debate is truly on.
Hitler was revered by many Germans for improving the economy and restoring national pride. But we non-Germans do not see those as his defining characteristics, though many Germans still do. And I am not comparing Obama to a murderer, or to Hitler. I am simply saying that one has to choose based on *all* the facts, and one had best choose wisely. |
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Here is Micky Kaus with a pretty good analysis: http://www.slate.com/id/2188487/ Here is John Podhoretz spot on: http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/jpodhore tz/3332 Now I can sympathize with Obama. There is a tendency for college graduates of any political persuasion (especially from upper tier schools) to act elitist. Barak also went to Punahou in Hawaii which is as elitist as any New England prep school or British public school. There is also a tendency of persons from big cities to look down on small town America (and there was a touch of that in Obama's speech to those San Francisco donors). Now I do not think Obama is a overt snob or one of those Ivy League insecure prigs--but a little bit of liberal elitism slipped out the other day. Michelle Obama also has a touch of it. They really want to help the people, because they think the people cannot help themselves. Some think Obama is the Superman of politics. http://mildmanneredblog.wnymedia.net/blogs/2008/02/05/supe r-tuesday/ Well, this is his political kryptonite. |
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Sunday night Obama declared Hillary Clinton “should know better” and labeled her “shameless.” The obvious retort: so? (Sure, she is capitalizing on his error - because his blunder was giant, ugly and easily understood.)
Clinton’s spokesman replied more expansively:
“Sen. Clinton does know better — she knows better than to condescend and talk down to voters like Senator Obama did. Senator Obama’s outburst won’t change the fact that he has embraced his characterization of the millions of Americans who live in small towns.”
http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/rubin/333 9
Ouch.
Glenn Beck is right, John McCain should sit back, grab a bag of popcorn, and watch the fireworks. |
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to review here, and other places I've been catching up, are Michelle Obama's arrogance, snootishness and mind numbing tin ear for good political sense in this instant news age. Good Lord, that whole spew of sillyness and superiority, some time back, about Barack was going to 'demand that you blah, blah, blah..' and 'insist that you yap, yap, yap..' We WANT that in the White House? I think not. These two together are a Duet of Disaster and Cluelessness. |
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from Obama.
How do you expect to control the masses when they have guns?
Does Obama really think the Black Youth of this Country will stop killing each other wholesale just because they do not have guns? Even if by some chance they were to obey gun laws. They would still kill each other. Try giving them decent paying jobs instead and the killing will stop. I know, Obama would ask "how do you expect to do THAT!" Simple. Cut Corporate Taxes so they do not move to China or India and stop crushing our Blue Collar wages with illegal alien labor. The Choice is simple for Obama and the DNC. Black Youth killing each other or controlling the masses to gain even more power for themselves by getting rid of the middle class. The more people dependant on the DNC brings more power to the Obamas and Hillarys of the world.
No matter how much we are taxed and lied to about how great our socialist Government is. Some of us still want to be free and continue to believe Free Market Capitalism is the best path to prosperity.
Obama voters are more Socialist then the Socialist Lite Hillary voters. McCains so called Republicans voters are to the Left of JFK.
Maybe if the current DNC Congress can screw up our economy just a little bit more. Americans will see the light and vote for a Conservative like Duncan Hunter For President. At least a real Conservative will try to make everyone richer with out Government.
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Hugh, this was a very informative piece. It is true Obama is an elistist. It is also true he is a very quick study. He made a serious mistake by showing his true colors. But as you stated it is probably too late for Hillary. You had better pray that is false. When I put arrogance at the top of this post I was not talking about Obama. The republicans will not be able to paint Obama as the elistist he is. We are all sitting back smirking now. But like I said this guy learns real fast. He and the bald combover David Axelrod are going to make McCains age an issue,the war and the economy. Sorry but most of the country will agree with Obama. They are going to successfully paint McCain as one being out of touch. Republican arrogance is going to be the undoing of the country. |
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In the condition of the [Rural Pennsylvanian], those of old society at large are already virtually swamped. The [Rural Pennsylvanian] is without property; his relation to his wife and children has no longer anything in common with the bourgeois family relations; modern industry labor, modern subjection to capital, the same in England as in France, in America as in Germany, has stripped him of every trace of national character. Law, morality, religion, are to him so many bourgeois prejudices, behind which lurk in ambush just as many bourgeois interests.
All the preceding classes that got the upper hand sought to fortify their already acquired status by subjecting society at large to their conditions of appropriation. The [Rural Pennsylvanian] cannot become masters of the productive forces of society, except by abolishing their own previous mode of appropriation, and thereby also every other previous mode of appropriation. They have nothing of their own to secure and to fortify; their mission is to destroy all previous securities for, and insurances of, individual property.
All previous historical movements were movements of minorities, or in the interest of minorities. The [Rural Pennsylvanian] movement is the self-conscious, independent movement of the immense majority, in the interest of the immense majority. The [Rural Pennsylvanian], the lowest stratum of our present society, cannot stir, cannot raise itself up, without the whole superincumbent strata of official society being sprung into the air.
Though not in substance, yet in form, the struggle of the [Rural Pennsylvanian] with the bourgeoisie is at first a national struggle. The [Rural Pennsylvanian] of each country must, of course, first of all settle matters with its own bourgeoisie.
Rural Pennsylvanians Unite! The only thing you have to lose are your guns and religion.
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That you can look at the consistently negative poll numbers for the President AND the Congress, and not get the idea that Americans are very disgusted and bitter at our 'leaders' and a gargantuan government that is less about the conservative vision about upholding the constitution or the liberal vision about meeting people's needs, and more about dispensing favors and goodies to politicians and their friends.
I guess that makes me an elitist snob. |
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The more the Obama campaign reveals of itself, the more we see that he is just a typical liberal socialist pacifist. Period. Not change, not hope. And ole Rev. Wright spoke out again. 'White DNA since the founders in racism?????' And then Fox and O'Reilly are horrors too? But, black racism, black liberation, black bitterness with America is not addressed. Along with Michelle we can see a litany of snobby elitism. Does this mean black candidates are dead in America. No. Mike Steele, Ken Blackwell, JC Watts are good guys and could win if the black racists wouldn't tar them with Uncle Tom lunacy. And who knows if Condi would be a good candidate. We will not be able to see. |
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Listen to Mr. Harvard Grad, Inside-the-Beltway, Right-wing Echo Chamber, lecture how Barack does not "understand" America.
All the distortion and nonsense is not going to change the basic facts. He'll be able to explain what he meant. And if Barack takes a short-term hit in the polls, long term it will only firm up the resistance to spurious nonsense like this. You guys are going down--and to an outright leftist, no less. Enjoy your years in the wilderness.. |
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Duncan Hunter went nowhere in the primaries. Why is that? Whether you like it or not, John McCain is the only GOP candidate who has a shot at winning this election cycle. You should be promoting Duncan Hunter for Secretary of Defense, not tearing down John McCain. |
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What type of "BITTERNESS" did Charlton Heston suffer from, in "clinging" to his guns? I mean, he had alot of guns-----as well as having opted to be the representative of the NRA.
That's a HUGE heap of BITTERNESS for any one man.
As a matter of fact, he was apparently so BITTER, it killed him. Now there's an argument to not be bitter. There's an argument to stay away from guns. I mean it killed Charlton Heston, all this support for guns. |
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Great analysis Hugh. Cowardly Obama had to go to billionaires in San Francisco to dump on folks from Pa, he would not say it to their faces over a Yuengling or a the bowling alley.
I lived in Hazleton Pa for 11 years, the heart of the hard coal region. I knew hard working and proud people who loved their families, loved to hunt and fish and opened their arms to help. As Hugh writes,Obama has no idea of non disfunctional community life, and worse, accuses them of expressing their bitterness by becoming religious, gun toting xenophobes.
Vote for me, all you embittered bigots, and I the Obama Messiah will save you from yourselves. |
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WASN'T ecnomics underlying all this bigotted redneckery, eh? It wasn't the gaslines or stagflation it was a deep, spiritual crisis that Jimmah hoped to relieve. Thanks, hoss. B-b-but now, ya see, it IS the economy and gaslines that drives roadrage and Christianity and anti-poofery. (Barry needs to get on board w/ gay marriage btw.) I guess we're just doomed to diversion and destitution until we get a black guy in office, then everything is groovy. Or a chick could work but not some old mean, white-assed pumpkinheaded man.
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Your bitterness has been on full display since you first posted here. Who knows if you are an elite or not? The polls from the days of the American Revolution were about a third in favor of it. So I stand in good and valiant company. There have always been a minority of the brave who serve us, give freely to the poor and remain optomistic in the face of opposition;-) |
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Duncan Hunter was not given chance in the debates. He and Tancrado were asked the very same questions in every debate. In a 90 minute debate. Hunter and Tancrado were asked all of maybe 2 questions each.
The RNC wanted to make sure a pro-Mexico anti-American Blue Collar Work Force nominee was elected. They got the best President Mexico will ever have in John McCain. McCain is a win not only for Mexico but all of those who are to the left side of JFK.
Obama, Hillary, or McCain is a win for the Socialist DNC in America.
I will vote for none of the three. |
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YOU say there's alot of ANGER. YOU say, this anger is the cause of all this BITTERNESS youclaim is out there.
It seems to me, "A Typical White Person", there's more ANGER among Liberals, Leftists, Victicrats, Progressives vis a vis conservatives, neocons. Oh, you don't agree?
Indeed, here's the litmus test:
1.) Check out all of the blogs---those threads on websites. Where is there more vile, vitriol, hateful blogging? Is it on Liberal sites such as, HuffingtonPost, DailyKos, MediaMatters-------OR------is there more HATE spewed on sites such as this one? Only honest reflection will uncover the truth.
2.) There is a thread on Hugh's site, just this past week, about "protesting". Right in that thread, a well known Liberal was "beating his chest" about how Liberals do more "street" protesting---as he calls it, than conservatives. Hey---no argument there (except the chest-beating part). Liberals have already exhibited greater outward anger in "ACTIVISM", "PROTESTS", and the like. Bill Ayers, Barack's close friend, freely admitted bombing the PENTAGON in 1972 (Anger?). Yeah, protesting has long been about vocalizing ANGER. Many times it has erupted into HATE. I have seen it. It happened just a month ago in Berkeley at a military recruiting office---ANGER and HATE. Then another recruiting office in Manhattan was BOMBED, by an ANGRY PROTESTOR. |
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Do you think, Seehawk, that we have good governance?
Can you look at the dysfunctional, corrupt, bloated Federal Leviathan with its hand in nearly aspect of law, and really compare it with the Republic envisioned at the founding of this nation?
Shouldn't patriots at some point get angry and demand change?
Or should we all just shut up, wear our flag lapel pins, nod enthusiastically at whatever our leaders do (as long as they belong to our party), and be happy that at least our Leviathan leaves us a little more money and freedom than other people's Leviathans? |
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In the Pastor Wright and now the SF gaffe, we are missing a central issue. These are highly relevant issues because they help us understand who Obama is. He says he is a uniter, but he attended Trinity for decades -- a church that preaches division and polarization. The issue is not whether Obama agrees with what Wright says, the issue is where was the political courage to challenge him? One cannot be a uniter if one is unwilling to confront extremists on their own side. Even Clinton confronted the hard left in his effort to be a centrist President. I can't think of a single issue where Obama has either challenged or openly disagreed with the hard left -- nor has he any record as a senator for reaching across the aisle for compromise positions. Contrast this with McCain who has damaged his own position with the conservative right in reaching for centrist positions. McCain is who Obama says he wants to be. McCain walks the walk; Obama talks the talk. |
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Belonging to religious groups, churches, which espouse ANGER:
1.) "Not, God Bless America, G*D Damn America, G*D Damn America, G*D Damn America!!!!!!!
2.) Hate spewing conspiracy arguments such as the U.S. Government "INVENTING" AIDS to eradicate the entire black race. No matter the present administration long ago committed $65,000,000,000.00 to Africa to battle AIDS, NOT Black Africans.
3.) Supporting Arab terrorists by reprinting their ideologies, their hate-speak, their "constitution" in the church newsletter. Now that's spiritual. |
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She does not remotely want to focus upon , "The Selling of Bitterness".
She wants Hugh to enroll in a "Spelling Primer". Kimberlick-lick-lick finds substance in grammar, spelling---as she should. This is what is MOST significant to her. |
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"1.) Check out all of the blogs---those threads on websites. Where is there more vile, vitriol, hateful blogging? Is it on Liberal sites such as, HuffingtonPost, DailyKos, MediaMatters-------OR------is there more HATE spewed on sites such as this one? Only honest reflection will uncover the truth."
Bad example. There's plenty of anger on this site and other conservative sites.
The main difference is that the conservative sites generally frown on profanity while the liberal ones revel in it. |
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Good for you!
I find our 3 choices disgustingly unacceptable, so I too will be voting for someone else. |
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Your problem is that you and Barack want to go find BITTERNESS where it does not exist---paint it on a canvas that is rotten.
Geeeeeeeeesh, why does he wait until he meets with a group in San Francisco to talk so fluently, so articulately about this, Bitterness?
And to suggest that clinging to guns, religion, antipathy, is a RESULT of BITTERNESS is a new revelation for me, my family---but then, I am just, "A Typical White Person". I am not an enlightened, elitist, black person educated at Harvard, and expensive prep schools in Hawaii, and the like. |
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Considering how wacky the polls have been this political season, you may want to take it with a grain of salt, but ARG has Hillary UP by 20 and SurveyUSA now has Hillary UP by 18 in Pennsylvania.
I predicted she would win by 12, but maybe I was being a bit too conservative.
What seems amazing to me is how STUPID Barry has been since bittergate came to light; he is such an amateur at this. His petulant, effete, high-brow lashing out of the past few days only guarantees even more press coverage. Of course, what is truly remarkable is his attempt to argue two mutually exclusive things:
1) I am RIGHT about what I said.
2) I really didn't mean what I said.
I don't have an Ivy League degree, but I am having a hard time following the logic of this. Either people ARE bitterly clinging to their guns and religion OR the AREN'T. Make up your mind, Barry.
Remember when this guy used to say those from the blue states "serve an AWESOME GOD"?
I guess the God in the heartland is sort of a consolation prize for those not fortunate enough to live like the Obamas.
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No,I think Republicans have acted TOO much like DemocRats! I also think you will just go vote for the Change candidate,Obama, whom you know very little about.....but will raise your taxes, making you less free than you are now. He will institute hate crime that could put us in jail if we speak out against homsexuality. He will endorse gay marriage that will break down the foundations of our society. He will appoint judges who will make it assured the pre-born can be killed until the moment of their birth. And if they are born alive you will not be allowed save them. Health care will be rationed out like food stamps with lines like the U.S.Post Office in December.He will make sure the government grows in power and involvement in even minute details including which lightbulbs you can use to how much hot water and toilet paper you are allowed.And if he can he will get rid of the freedom to arm ourselves. Enjoy you better governence foolish ONE. |
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The fact Barry offered his 'critique' in San Francisco instead of Pennsylvania is illuminating. If he truly meant it in an inoffensive way, he would have said it back in Pennsylvania.
But Barry, the millionaire Marxist sociology professor with delusions of grandeur, couldn't help himself when asked about those rubes back in the heartland. Like Jane Goodall explaing why chimpanzees behave they way they do, Barry delighted his urban elite class on his staggering grasp-his amazing "socioligical understanding"-of the behavior of the boobs back in Pennsylvania.
It just came out wrong , and "if" you were offended, he apologizes.
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First Bulletgate, now Bittergate!!! I love this! Maybe Barry,"was for bitterness before he was against it! Or was he against it before he was for it???"Or was he just trying to explain why he was way behind in Pa. to all his very effeminate,smart friends,in San Fran!!!!!LOL,LOL,LOL!!!! |
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Barry, would you agree that when people feel economically uncertain and a bit confused about solving macro-societal problems, they often turn to a vapid, glib, rookie senator with a messiah complex, who offers nothing more concrete than slogans like 'change', 'hope', and 'unity'?
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Barry, would you agree that when people feel a bit uncertain about how to solve macro-societal problems, they often turn to a vapid, glib, rookier senator with a messiah complex, who offers nothing more concrete than empty phrases like 'hope', 'change', and 'unity'? |
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"And yet, most people (and most journalists) know what he was trying to say," Howard opined. "Not that small towners are gun nuts. Or religious nuts, not from a regular churchgoer. The senator was trying to say that these folks voted on social issues, distracting wedge issues, when their real problem was economic."
This is right out of the course textbook for "Liberal Politics 101." The root of all problems domestic and international is money.
That's why their domestic agenda is rooted in Socialism and population reduction. It also explains their Kumbaya approach* to international tensions. They believe that after endless dialogue people will finally realize that the REAL root of their dysfunction and hostility is poor economic conditions. Nevermind that the thugs they negotiate with have usually already stolen millions/billions from the populations they supposedly serve.
*Knee-jerk thinkers, politicians and other individuals of the left who tend to (a) believe force is never an answer, (b) talk about problems, rather than do something about them, and/or (c) be relatively uninformed about the facts concerning a given issue or situation as well as uninterested in learning about them.
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"And to suggest that clinging to guns, religion, antipathy, is a RESULT of BITTERNESS is a new revelation for me, my family---but then, I am just, "A Typical White Person"."
No, but focusing people’s anger on wedge issues is a political tactic that has had stunning success, whether it is prayer in schools, gun regulation, abortion, the furry little woodland creatures, or the terrorists in your closet. Beat the war drums loudly enough and folks will focus on those issues and not on the fact that it’s becoming increasingly more difficult to pay for fuel and still eat.
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Yeah and a DemocRat Congress and D President will make fuel and food costs go down......what are you snorting?
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“No,I think Republicans have acted TOO much like DemocRats!”
No disagreement from me.
Corruption is becoming endemic. There is too much money and too much power vested in the central government. It is quickly reaching the point where it will not matter who you send to run things.
“I also think you will just go vote for the Change candidate,Obama, whom you know very little about.....but will raise your taxes, making you less free than you are now. “
Understand this. I think all three candidates will do further damage to the Republic and continue to undermine the constitution and our rights. My opinion is that Obama would do the least amount of damage because I think he would be far more likely to end the last president’s big government foreign policy which is bankrupting us.
But in the interest of full disclosure, I’m voting for Bob Barr.
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Rather funny that you assumed I was only accusing Republicans of doing this.
But to reply to the assertion you applied to me that had no foundation in what I actually said:
If Democrats balance the budget or get a surplus, then yes, I would certainly expect to see the dollar rebound which will reduce our food and fuel prices.
Whether or not they will actually DO that is another question entirely. Given how well a Republican congress and an R president did with devaluing the currency through massive debt, I don't see the evil Democrats being much worse. |
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Bitterness is erupting in small towns over economic issues---job loss over 25 year period.
Yep, no mention as to "Bitterness" over:
1.) HIGH TAXES---no "BITTERNESS" there. 2.) 15-25 million ILLEGAL aliens. Not Immigrants, mid you, ILLEGAL ALIENS. Nope, no "BITTERNESS" found by Barack. 3.) 25 million vacuumed, suctioned, eradicated fetuses-----a HUGE number of those ocurring in the THIRD TRIMESTER of mammy's pregnancy. Naw, not under any rocks Obama has been lifting up. 4.) Islamo-fascists, Muslim-terrorists----HELL NO, no "BITTERNESS" there. As a matter of fact, Obama's own church pays tribute to such terrorists. Gives the terrorists print space in its newsletters. Obama himself handed Khalid $75,000.. Khalid was head of the OFFICIAL PRESS AGENCY of the PLO---Yasser Arafat's hate-and-killing-organization. So much BITTERNESS, except, BITTERNESS only for economic issues. |
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I was deeply offended by the comments as first played. Then I listen to the complete comment and I though they were elite. I have lived in the South (was raised there), the Northeast, the Mid-West, the Islands of Hawaii, Europe, and the war torn country of Bosnia. So I have some experiences about a variety of deferent life cultures and styles. The one thing that I have found that the makes a biggest difference is faith and a commitment to your fellow human being as Jesus Christ showed us in his life.
I know that America is full of all kinds of believes and I know that the community that I live in now is full of hope. I have lived in American communities that are not full of hope that are bitter, lash out and cling (meaning adhere, grip, stick, hug) too (PS I do cling too my gun and religion and I am not giving them up). So I respectfully submit to you that there are bitter people that do not believe that the people in the government hears them or address their problems.
This country’s spark of life was started by British subjects that lost faith in government, became bitter, violent, and lawless because the government fall to recognize their problems. I am proud of our system of government and the people that will step into the arena of politics.
It is clear that Barrack Obama comments reflect facts that I know to be true (and shown in polls) that some communities have lost faith in government for all the people. Thank God we have people that believe in America and want this union to last and address the needs of the people to makes this a stronger union.
Everyone has a choice ...vote.
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We have John McCain as the other amnesty candidate. Those bigots who want their government to fulfill its primary function and defend the borders and enforce the laws just don't want what's best for America.
Juan Hernandez wouldn't like it if we enforced our laws.
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VP, but if the government enforced the law, most of the parasites in DC would be transfered to a Federal penitentary.
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Juan Hernandez.....isn't he the guy on the coffee can...??? :-) |
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Dread wrote:
"My opinion is that Obama would do the least amount of damage because I think he would be far more likely to end the last president’s big government foreign policy which is bankrupting us."
The cost of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan is only about 4% of total federal spending. Total defense spending is only about 20% of the budget. Any "savings" Obama achieves in this area will be wiped out by his plan to vastly increase socialism in America.
For instance, Medicare and Medicaid current consume 15% and 7% of the budget respectively. Assuming Obama's "universal health insurance" winds up costing somewhere between what these two healthcare programs cost, then it will be more than twice as expensive as the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. And that’s just one of his programs.
Oh sure, Obama's got all kinds of plans for "efficiency improvements" and I'm sure he claims it won't cost as much as current programs. But government programs have a near-perfect record of costing more than we are told on the front end, so I‘ll take the costs of the current programs as a much better indicator. |
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Do what you must. But Duncan Hunter could not win. Fred did not seem fired up to win (and I supported Fred from the start). Mitt Romney was not even really on your side (remember the Guantamalans) and he could not win.
The key here is McCain is relatively conservative. He is a far better choice than Hillary or Obama. If you want to support some other canidate or write in, fair enough. It is a mistake, but I respect your right to exercise your voting as you deem fit. You are so obsessed with this issue you would alienate legal Hispanics from the GOP. Which is ironically why McCain can actually win this election. |
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In any case, Americans who don't like the opportunities they have where they are can move elsewhere, and many have. What the census data tell us is that not many people have been moving out of Pennsylvania in this decade—there has been a lot less domestic outflow there than there has been from the coastal metropolises (like the San Francisco Bay Area), where there has been massive immigrant inflow, along with massive domestic outflow. What Obama is showing us here is not sensitivity to the deprivations of people in Pennsylvania—which he, as a native of multiracial Hawaii and a graduate of Columbia University and Harvard Law School, knows little about first hand—but a form of liberal snobbery, which, as I have written, has been part of American politics for more than 40 years. This attitude goes back even farther to Adlai Stevenson's quip that if a majority of thinking people supported him, that would be enough because "I need a majority." The new face from Illinois, articulate and attractive to many people, fell short of a majority. Will that be the fate of Obama, articulate and attractive to many people but condescendingly dismissive of many of the voters he needs to win? Let's see.
http://www.usnews.com/blogs/barone/2008/4/14/obamas-remarks -are-liberal-snobbery-2.html |
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If you think it's bad now,just wait till DemocRats get the full reign of power.They want to increase the power, reach and spending of the government. We spend less on all government elections than we do on breakfast cereal annually in America, so I do not believe too much money is the problem in politics. The overreaching arm of governmental regulation and power causes lobbyists to be in Washington. If you think Dems don't want more regulation and power than Republicans,who can debate a complete denial without facts? By the way, I marched right beside Bob Barr in "Together for Life" one year and we went to a small fundraiser for him when I lived in his district. Nice guy, but will not get anywhere in the national scene.The fact you could consider voting for Barry O is simply mindboggling. |
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this man wouldn't dream of disowning the reverend wright. welcome to the lunatic fringe... |
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has opened the broad-bottom broom pilot's lead to 20 points:
http://americanresearchgroup.com/
What is it that you like about this guy anyway?
McCain is saying that Hillary Rod'em might win the nomination. How will that feel?
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McCain keeps saying "Secure the border first". We know that he means amnesty next. The plan is to get the border state Gov's to declare the border secure. Conveniently, they are all on board the cheap labor express. Then his good friend Ted Kennedy will bring back McCain/Kennedy and McCain can provide his good friends across the aisle with their new permanent majority.
I hope you enjoy permanent minority status.
http://townhall.com/columnists/AmandaCarpenter/2008/03/28/b loggers_press_mccain_adviser_on_immigration “John McCain’s position on immigration is very clear and this a question that gets asked at townhall appearances everyday in media appearances and has answered the question at least a thousand times before the New Hampshire primary,” Schmidt said.
He explained, “Any person who supports John McCain’s campaigns is a subscriber to John McCain’s views"
A vote for McCain is a vote for surrender of your country. You are voting for amnesty.
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"If you think it's bad now,just wait till DemocRats get the full reign of power."
Yes, yes, I know. Unless McCain wins, it's the end of the world as we know it.
It's the same siren's call that the GOP talking heads throw out every election. I don't believe them. They are not any better than Democrats any longer and I certainly am not going to reward the last seven years with a vote for their anointed.
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An illegal alien was charged with raping a 4 year old in Prince William County, VA. Maybe if it was your 4 year old you might be concerned about the unrestricted inundation of illegal aliens.
We know John McCain is not. |
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You are clinging to anti immigrant feelings so according to Obama you must be an out of work small town bitter Pennsylvanian voter.
I do not like the idea of permanent minority status, which is why I reject nativist positions that seem intent on pissing off Hispanics so they vote Democratic. Believe it or not, most Hispanics are much more likely to be inclined to assimilate and vote Republican than you want to believe. I want to send home many of the illegals, allow others to stay (with the burden on them to justify why provided it is with the goal of assimilation, English fluency, and citizenship over time), expand workplace enforcement and expand LEGAL immigration (especially for skilled trades and professions from Asia, etc.).
Our current system encourages illegal behavior, which is why I do not have anger at Mexicans for breaking the law (to do gainful work) they are in fact encouraged to break. I want to enforce the current laws. |
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the dimocrats if they wish.
McCain is hardly my first choice, but he will get my vote. |
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Anyone who is convicted of raping a four year old child should get the death penalty: native born, naturalized, or illegal.
That is a BS argument on this issue of dealing with immigration (it is like saying every Cathoic Priest is presumed to be a peodophile). |
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today, as well. He seemed in a great 'up' mood and having a rollicking time with Bazama audio and successful Operation Chaos updates. He also playd pieces of James Carville and Bob--0 & 13--Shrum exchanging barbs on Russert yesterday a.m.
The Ragin'Cajun was having a alot of fun at Shrummy's expense about elitism, cluelessness and his own multiple-gun ownership. Mary Matalin seemed to be enjoying herself watching Dem Hubby tweek the Hell outta Dem Shrum. |
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We'll see if this holds. Hillary picked up 17 points. USA Election Polls 4/11 thru 4/13 Hillary - 57 Obama - 37 Obama numbers didn't change but Hillary has picked up all the undecided. Obama's stuck on 37 with the unwavering far left. |
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I live in a small town in Pennsylvania ("Pennsylvania Dutch" country) and the only thing that I am bitter about is having an insulting, condescending nobody like Obama criticize a way of life that he knows nothing about. I have a rifle that I never use, go to church only occasionally, have no use for illegal immigrants, and maybe I do have antipathy toward some people who lead a degenerate lifestyle. So what? Isn't that my right as an American citizen? |
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"Isn't that my right as an American citizen?"
Apparently not, according to the Dems. First they will take your guns and rifles and before you know it they will take your scrapple, tastykakes, and cheese steaks (because they know what is best for you). They will even take your Hershey bars (only dark chocolate is good for you).
As for beer, they will let you have it (if only to keep you calm) but will tax the heck out of it. |
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Non-enforcement by the current administartion has exacerbated the problem tremendously.
Amnesty is not the answer, enforcement is.
McCain will not give us that enforcement, Juan Hernandez wouldn't like it.
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at stacking the Supreme Court, eliminating unnecessary farm workers, and reducing food surpluses sitting on store shelves... |
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Dread, 2008-04-14 15:44
"It's the same siren's call that the GOP talking heads throw out every election. I don't believe them. They are not any better than Democrats any longer"
I disagree. The Republicans are not good enough, but they are much better than the Democrats. Just because you won't get everything you want if McCain is elected is no reason at all to aid the election of a Democrat to the White House.
McCain is an idiot on several important issues. Obama and Hillary are idiots on all of those things, too, as well as on many, many other issues.
Why are you supporting the worst of these choices instead of working with what you have? You are upset that the Republicans failed to meet your expectations, and so you are taking your ball home in a huff.
Grow up. Life isn't fair, and the best man does not always win. Quitters, however, do always lose.
Get off your high horse and work to fix the problems with the d@mn Republicans instead of chucking the whole thing to the Dems, because you will never fix a thing with them. |
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I think the most out of touch person in this discussion is Hugh Hewitt. Learn your history. In economic downturns, people's fear over stability, veer towards negativity towards their government and towards their fellow man. Look at 1930's Germany. Look at the supporters of your article bashing illegal immigrants and politicians from all sides. They feel BITTERNESS. Is the acknowledgment of historical truths ELITIST? I think not. There is a reason the most educated populace in the US supports Obama... They understand history and have the capacity to understand the realities that face people during economic hardship. |
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Hispanics accounted for a little over 4% of the vote in 2004, Bush got an all time high of 40%, of that 4%. They are projected to be 6% of the total vote in 2008. If McCain equals that 40%, we're talking about 2.4% of the total vote. McCain's insistence on amnesty WILL cost him more than that. Pandering to citizens of other countries illegally in our country is wrong. How stupid do you have to be to import voters for the socialists and alienate your own voters? Do we want to try to pander for the hard core criminal vote as well? |
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check out the post of the embittered Pennsylvanian above.
It sounds as though he has had a surfeit of the sort of elite 'understanding' dipstick dimocrats like babakazama are offering. |
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Thank you to Joe and NeoCon Scum. Actually, I find scrapple inedible, and Tastycakes and cheese steak are a Philly thing. Hershey bars are OK.
Seriously, my point is that Obama is clueless about small-town Pennsylvanians, or for that matter non-urban dwellers anywhere. Not only that, he is engaging in stereotyping that would be considered racist if parallel attributes (crime, drug use, sloth, etc.) were ascribed to inner-city residents. |
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...Michelle was talking about when she said, "Barack will not ALLOW you to remain" in your old lifestyle.....
I think we need to ensure that Obama remains in HIS old lifestyle.... |
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If your position was so right, why did it go nowhere in the GOP primaries?
Hispanics voters may have been as high as 8% of the electorate in 2004. 44% of them voted for Bush.
I look at Hispancis as Christian, hardworking folks, and potential GOP members who we should be welcoming as immigrants (provided they are not felons, willing to speak English, and work toward assimilation). Demographics show they do assimilate, do become English speakers (and like other immigrant groups lose their native Spanish) and are generally good citizens.
I recognize and support making recent illegal leave, felons and petty criminals to leave, the unemployed to leave, and those not willing to assimilate to leave. I want to end subsidies that make it easy for them to stay (like free tuition, subsidized medical care, etc.). That is the rational position.
You look at them like they are al Qaeda members. You want them all to leave, even though that would be counter productive and harmful to this country. |
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So you are all upset that Obama goes around and tells people what they want to hear--depending on geography, means, color, and religion. What is the big deal? It is politics. What do you want, a politician that tells the Vietnamese who are torturing him to go to Hell? A politician that tells his party’s base that he favors immigration reform when they hate it? A politician that tells the Congress to send in more troops to save Iraq when they all know the country does not want more troops in Iraq. Is that what you want???
http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2008/04/exactly .asp
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"Retain Obama's Position!"
"Keep Obama Senatized!"
"Vote Bitter, Gun Owning, Typical White Person!"
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Stating cold, hard, statistically inarguable facts about the 'Hood is verboten in PC-2008-World. But in Elite Demmie Donor Land, being beyond CLUELESS about rural & small town America and Americans is entirely acceptable--and, unquestioned.
TOAST. Clueless, not ready for Primetime TOAST.
O'Bammy's fellow elitist is suddenly 20 pts. ahead in Pennsylvania. |
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Obama sure knows how to pick 'em, but the typical Center-of-the-Universe Bay-Aryan who went to Stanford or Berkeley really does tend to think and believe that way about the rest of benighted and unenlightened America. They are the distant relatives - family but never really visited or even understood. Milk a cow? To a Bay-Aryan the Midwest and flyover country begins as soon as the jet hits altitude somewhere over Modesto. Visiting some sort of distant family in Nebraska (2nd cousins?) was always simply strange. After all, people escaped from the horrible drudgery and grinding poverty of Farm-Life in the 30's just to hit a Dorthea Lange photo-op and come to Stanford to solve ALL the PROBLEMS of "those people" - the farmer-types and CURE the DISEASE of Rurality. Why anybody stayed there was an anthropological mystery for the Tenured to Solve. You know, they call Stanford "The Farm" affectionately but it never, ever, has been one. It's always been a vacation estate for the Uber-wealthy insular San Franciscans - with a few horses and a camera by Muybridge thrown in - pet eccentrics (and monkeys) are always invited. Steinbeck of course got a "C" because he was from Salinas for Goddsake, which is just outside Oklahoma, or might as well be. Viva La Raza and all that, cheerio! |
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To honor BHO with an apostrophe is to raise him to a level he will never attain....!
I'll stick with my origianl slogan....:
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Every last candidate for president is an elitist. Obama speaks for himself. Hillary has thirty years of holier than thou puffery on record, and McCain, like him though I do, was born with a silver spoon in his mouth.
McCain is a patriot and a truly heroic figure, but even before he went to Viet Nam you wouldn't have been invited to the country club to have a drink with him. He grew up in pedigreed military aristocracy. And while I agree by and large with his revised stand on immigration, one can't deny the level of arrogance behind his change of heart. He understands the needs of the military, but is there any evidence that he's any more in touch with "real Americans" than Hillary or Obama?
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That the truth just bites. You say the truth and you get offended. They ARE bitter. Aren't we all? I mean, that's why I'm voting for someone completely new on the territory. A fresh mind who's unafraid of speaking the truth. Go Barack!!! Tell it like it really is. Let the sensitive ones revel in their bitterness. Barack will win and there's no stopping that. |
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You probably need to check the new numbers on illegal immigration. As of the last couple of years the numbers with beefed up patrols and an emphasis on building the fence there has been a dramatic reduction. WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The number of illegal immigrants arrested along U.S. borders dropped 23 percent during the past nine months -- evidence, officials said, that stepped-up enforcement is working. |
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"They ARE bitter. Aren't we all?" ---------------------------------
Maybe you are, but not me. In fact, I'm a pretty happy guy.
FYI... Obama will NOT win the general election. There are waaaay too many racist democrats that will be voting for the old white guy. More than enough to counter people like me that refuse to vote for McCain. |
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Harvard Educated Hugh Hewitt who has lived in California, New York, and Washington for the past 30 years is in touch with REAL Americans!! HAHAHAHA. I havent been following Hugh very long, but Im sure he viewed George W. Bush as being an elitist as well, being that he went to a private prep school, Yale, and Harvard. That his dad was a politician from a wealthy family, that everything was handed to him on a silver spoon. Nope, its Obama, who grew up in a single family home, lived with his granparents most of his life, EARNED a scholarship that allowed him go to a prep school, went to Ocidental College, till his grades EARNED him a scholarship to Columbia. Who then instead of taking a high paying job worked as a community organizer before going to Harvard Law. Even after this he went back to organizing, eventually taking a high paying lawyer job, but unable to pay off his student loans till he was in his 40's. Yup he doesnt know anything about working for the American Dream. Way out of touch. |
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Illegal aliens are not immigrants. Immigrants seek our permission first by applying for a visa. They keep their documents in order and comply with our laws. Illegal aliens do not. They sneak across the border and acquire fraudulent I.D. The open borders crowd know that most Americans are predisposed to favor legal immigration. By purposely confusing illegal aliens with (legal) immigrants (really the only kind), the left and the media hope to marginalize those of us who are speaking out against amnesty as being xenophobic, nativist, racist, restrictionist, anti-immigrant bigots. I am not any of those. I am an American citizen whose citizenship means something to him. I like immigrants. I know people from all over the world. I am totally opposed to amnesty for illegal aliens, regardless of where they are from. I am for retaining our rule of law and sovereignty. The debate must center on the willful disregard for the laws of this country. Americans have been a welcoming people. We just want people to respect us, our country, our history, our culture, our language and our laws.
Enforce the laws, even if Juan Hernandez doe not like it. |
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Obama may have just handed Hillary the magic bullet that will blow him away. Too bad,I was hoping McCain would get to dismember him in the general. Obama is correct, of course - Americans are bitter. But what this Columbia/Harvard elitist doesn't get is that it's BECAUSE of government that they are bitter - and not because government isn't listening - but because government listens too much, sees too much, taxes too much, regulates too much, costs too much, and sticks its nose in everyone's business too much. I want government to leave me alone and stop bothering people, I want government to shrink to about 10% of its current size. I want busybodies like Obama to sit down, shut up, and stop coming up with ideas to make them look better at my expense. Of course Hillary is just as much of an elitist as Obama, and just as much of a busybody. |
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...spin a benign interpretation as to Senator Obama's "small town" condescending analysis. However, WE (Mr. & Mrs. Rural Pennsylvania ARE THE RECIPIENTS of the insults, thus, WE should be the judges.
*We are "bitter"?....the "Thesaurus" defines: sour, virulent, malicious, offensive, acrimonious, antagonistic, etc. Hmmmmm, great compliment Mr. Obama.
*We "cling to guns"? We ARE sportspeople. Is the "Second Amendment to the US Constitution" a foreign entity to Mr. Obama? Are all rural and/or rurban (rural/suburban)men and women, who believe in the Constitution, perceived to be Wyatt Earps or Annie Oakleys?
*We "Cling to religion"? Whaooo. PA's heartland and hinterland hosts a "salt-of-the-earth" populous who have high ethical standards, enviable family values, and a deep sense of spirituality. Although our houses of worship are randomly diverse as to denomination/genre, we are respectfully devout, thus, resent the contempt vs. arrogance Obama has implied as to our overall character.
How dare this elitist candidate disparage the moral disposition of America's rural constituency when he and his wife "CLUNG" (for 20 years) and still "CLING" to their spiritual advisor: the anti-American, anti-Semitic, hate-monger-in-chief, Reverend Wright.
*We "cling to an antipathy to people who are not like us and anti-immigrant sentiment"? Simply put, Mr. Obama is calling us BIGOTS. As to anti-immigrant sentiment: correct to "anti-ILLEGAL immigration". The word ILLEGAL, as in "anti-illegal immigration", is defined as: against the law, illicit, criminal, dishonest, etc. In Obama's endeavor to further portray us as a bunch of ludicrous Luddites, he conveniently omitted the word ILLEGAL when referring to immigration. |
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This candidate who exhibits the "audacity of arrogance", appears to be a total fraud: a probable "Manchurian Candidate". Beware! His San Francisco "slip" was most definitely "Freudian". His genuine prejudices and elitist attitudes toward "small town" America were inadvertently exposed. |
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Imagine, for a few moments, a Rural Living, Brush Clearing, Baseball Passionate Barack Hussein Obama. No? Doesn't work, does it?
What I described is our President. |
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If there is bitterness in this country it is directed toward the absence of choice for President. Voters are don't trust any of the three candidates. Hillary lies so much no one can believes anything she says. Obama is an unknown who spouts hackneyed phrases about hope and change without giving particulars of what each means (no details required). McCain speaks of being a conservative while saving his venom for Republican issues and joining with Democrats to curtail free speech and celebrate amnesty for millions of illegals. The country is not bitter, it's anger at seeing our country destroyed by politicians whose main interest is self-interest.
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If there is bitterness in this country it is directed toward the absence of choice for President. Voters are don't trust any of the three candidates. Hillary lies so much no one can believe anything she says. Obama is an unknown who spouts hackneyed phrases about hope and change without giving particulars of what each means (no details required). McCain speaks of being a conservative while saving his venom for Republican issues and joining with Democrats to curtail free speech and celebrate amnesty for millions of illegals. The country is not bitter, it's anger at seeing our country destroyed by politicians whose main interest is self-interest.
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So all Obama has to do is move to a rural area and clear some brush and then he is no longer elite? Bush never has and never will know what its like to struggle in his life. He drove 3 oil company to the ground used his dads money to buy a baseball team and was elected to office on his dads name. I think Obamas experience is a little more real to Americans than following in the footsteps of a President. |
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don't you think that the best explanation is Obama's after all he was criticized for faith related issues with Wright and it is quite clear he is a man of faith he taught constitutional law, so I think he knows and respects the 2nd amendment I know this might sound crazy, you don't have to agree with the man but we should at least respect him
in closing, i think we all know that what Obama said certainly has truth to it, have you never heard an utterance concerning maybe a mexican stealing someones job - let's all be honest |
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is on track with Hillary now up 20 in Bittervania, RECREATE 68' in 08' becoming more and more a certainty, much to the horror of liberals, feminists and blacks, megaphones in hand, invectives flying, teargas being lobbed, what a show for the entire world to see, liberals misbehavin', Tom Spagnola, RECREATE 68's mild mannered leader is promising chaos, i just love it when liberals make promises,don't you, and what in this equation makes you believe Barry Soetoro becomes our 44th, especially given that the last 3 democrat presidents have been white Southerners who received a majority of the white male vote, something that must happen to be POTUS, Tiger Woods never winning another golf tournament is more likely to happen, at this point does Barry S. win, what 5, 6 states max, hey i know Jimmuh Carter, and Barry your no Jimmuh Carter, 10, 12% of the WMV, max....GAME,SET,MATCH....President Elect John McCain....thats just the way it is, liberals....you better start taken another look at Hillary, the bigwigs are....cause they see the hand writin' on the wall...ah, the smell of teargas, i just love it... |
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Both Barack and Michelle sound no different than the "Elite" in our small town, that is dominated by an extremely liberal college. Our libs wear shrouds too, which tend to slip down around their knees after a few glasses of wine. I prefer beer but they wouldn't speak to me as "one of their own" if I wasn't holding a glass with a long stem. It must be something in their genes because they really are worlds apart from those of us who (dare I say it?) sometimes have dirt beneath our nails. |
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just like most Americans, most of our mothers have had 2 husbands, both Muslim, one walked out, one drank himself to death, most of us were raised by our grandmothers, most of us have changed our names, most of us have gone to Harvard law school, most of us have been community "organizers", what ever the heck that means, most of us join black liberation churches that preach that Jesus is black and proscribe to the notion that Muhammad, Moses and Jesus were equal, most of us befriend people like Louis Farrakhan, Raila Odinga, William Ayres, Bernadette Dorhn and seek out the most extreme in our society, most of us believe that the Muslim call to prayer is " one of the prettiest sounds at sunset", most of us have pastors just as mild mannered as Jeremiah Wright, and most of us have wives that have just recently been "proud" of their country, is that the "REAL" experience you refer to lgf82? |
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Respectfully, you could be the elitist! President Bush, you might not agree with his politics, is a great patriot, a genuine caring and loving leader. He is a man of deep faith and high moral convictions. History will judge his presidency quite kindly, admiring his greatest strength to fight war on terror, for stability, peace, human rights and America's global responsibility and security. President Bush is dedicated to keep the land he loves dearly and its people, whom he regards so devotedly, safe and out of harms way. |
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uote: ALTOONA, Pa. -- While Sen. Barack Obama said he didn't mean to offend anyone when he made comments about small-town voters last week, voters in the Alleghenies said they may be hardworking, but not "bitter."
At a fundraiser with donors in California last week, Obama described small-town voters, like those in Pennsylvania, as bitter. He said they're frustrated with their own economic situation and they cling to issues like guns, religion and immigration. On Saturday, he tried to clarify what he meant.
"There are a whole bunch of folks in Pennsylvania and right here in Indiana, who are bitter. They feel like they've been left behind," said Obama in a town hall meeting in Indiana.
However, the local people who were protesting outside his campaign office in Altoona on Sunday said if that's what Obama honestly thinks, then he is not their candidate.
"He is definitely out of touch with the voters in Pennsylvania to blaspheme them the way he did," said Hollidaysburg resident Ted Manna.
Stacey Drugg of Altoona said Obama's comments showed he did represent working people in Pennsylvania or working people period.
Manna said everyone has their own beliefs, but it shouldn't be up to a presidential candidate to tell them their beliefs are wrong.
"All the citizens of Pennsylvania should, rightfully so, be upset that he said we hide behind our religion and our guns," said Manna.
Joseph Antal of Ebensburg said, "With all that's been happening in our area, and in Johnstown with the flood, we rebound back from adversity."
The protest was organized by members of various unions in the region. A union member said there were at least five other similar protests across the state on Sunday. http://www.wjactv.com/news/15871123/detail.html
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Absolutely Dreamin'! One of the morbidly fascinating things to be seeing, close up and personal, from you Lib-Leties around Hugh's digs is that you are as utterly CLUELESS as Bazama.
Isn't that cheap dime store word, AUTHENTICITY, what the genuine article, Obama's about? Uh-Huh. If the election were held right now, O'Bammy might take...ohhhh...what...say 5 to 12 states. He DOESN'T GET IT, lgf, he's TOAST. History. Bu-Bye.
Oh yeeeaaaaah, babycakes, y'all go on down there, sneering at President Bush. He LOVES Baseball, thrives on Brush Clearing, looks forward to doing both in retirement. Ya know, comfortable under his skin--NOT Needy. Not a Bottomless Appetite of Endless Need. Firm sense of self. An old fashioned, Stand-Up GUY. You prissy little twits can't take the Real Thing. You also can't believe that ANYBODY could love the land, the brush and clearing it! The Prez has had T-Ball set up on the back lawn of the White House for kids since he and Laura moved in. What a Fat Cat Fake, huh??
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PERFECTLY put and right in sync with what I'm tiring of s'plaining to lgf here.
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What Obama said was true. Only someone who is either too out of touch (i.e. Hillary or McCain), or too stupid to even turn on the TV and see what is going on in the world around them woudl not understand what he said and understand it is the truth. Almost all people in our society operate in a fairly narrow societal orbit, and this includes you and me and yes, even the candidates. They say things about others the way we do, based on information we have received. So, you may accuse Obama, or any other candidate or person, for that matter, of getting and believing bad information. But that they "lack" the experience they are talking about would be true of all of us. What a silly and stupid assertion this article is based on.
It is clear that assertions like this are not "sticking". And I think it is because you are looking at the next president of the USA. Sometimes the truth really does win out. |
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Obama just couldn't say he was sorry for his comments in San Fran.
Obama just couldn't cut all ties to the Rev.
Obama is just too smart for us.
Obama will be the smartest guy ever to get 125 electoral votes in the general.
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...today. When asked about the Russians, he replied: "Hey, It's freezing in that freaking country, and there is no HOPE that it's going to warm up, no matter what that Gore cat keeps spewing. If you knew you were gonna freeze your butt off every day of your life, you'd cling to your clear liquid hooch and eat lots of borsht too! Have you ever tasted that crap?! No wonder they all dance like monkeys!" When asked about Arabs, he replied: "Hey, have you ever seen what they wear? It's 140 in the shade every day, they have to wear towels on their heads and their women have to wear tents to walk the streets. They have sand and camels....and no HOPE of anything ever changing. You'd cling to your hallucinations prophets and jihad and all too....!"
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Who would consider McCain an "Elite?" Only a dimocrat would post such an idiotic thing.
McCain has plenty of faults, but 'elite' is not one of them. The 'military aristocracy' juandimensional describes does not exist! Military Officers earn far, far less than their peers in civilian life and even in peactime their families endure hardship, officer and enlisted alike. But only someone who knows NOTHING about military service (like a liberal dung-dipped dimocrat) would characterizemilitary service that way.
"Elite" doesn't spend 6 years in NVA Custody. "Elite" doesn't have kids serving in the US Military. "Elite" doesn't stand by a wife with a drug addiction problem.
Juan dimensional described himself as a 'conservative' and as a 'fiction writer,' who lurks on this blog. I say BULLCRAP! I think he is a dimocrat, and his nom de plume reeks of the disdain juan feels for conservatives who are, as far as he is concerned, 1 dimensional.
So, we have a dimocrat, trying to inject a meme into the conservative blogosphere that McCain is somehow an "Elite" in the same sne of the wprd that babakazama and the broad-bottom broom pilot are.
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Chimp...
""It is clear that assertions like this are not "sticking". And I think it is because you are looking at the next president of the USA. Sometimes the truth really does win out.""
If babakazama is right, CHIBRI, then why is he out on the stump, hat in his hands, trying to dribble this piece of sh!t backwards?
If babakazama is going to be our next POTUS, why hasn't the broom pilot landed her campaign, CHIBRI?
If babakazama is right, CHIBRI, why is he trailing in the polls?
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- Senator Meeks who openly hates whites and gays and is listed prominently on Obama’s campaign website as a super-delegate.
- Mr. Ayers @ Weather Underground, a group that killed police and tried to bomb the US Capitol, served with Obama on the board of the leftist foundation called Woods Fund.
- Robert Malley a close senior adviser to Obama advocates negotiations with Hamas and providing international assistance to the terrorist group.
- Larry Sinclair alleges in 1999 Senator Obama’s arranged to meet him in a limousine, sold Senator Obama cocaine and then gave Senator Obama oral sex. Mr. Sinclair is testifying in court that these allegations are true.
- Mr. Auchi is an Iraqi billionaire financial sponsor and closely connected to Obama’s rise to power. Working with Saddam Hussein, Auchi made money selling arms in Iraq from the Oil for Food program.
- Mr. Rezko an Iraqi citizen and Obama’s and Auchi’s long time friend of 17 years and a major mob figure. Coincidently the Chicago Times reported yesterday that Rezko was negotiating to purchase rehab buildings in Obama’s district.
- Mr. Wright a racist who hates America and whites (and Italians?). Mr. Wright has been Mr. Obama’s spiritual mentor for over 20 years. He was Obama's chief religious advisor on Obama’s campaign staff. Mr. Wright and Mr. Meeks are ideologically closer to Karl Marx and Black Nationalism, than to Christianity.
- Rashid Khalidi a fundraiser for Obama and is one of Obama’s close friends. Khalidis supports Palestinian terrorist groups.
- Mr. McPeaks is Obama’s military adviser and national campaign co-chairman who publicly states that American Jews are the "problem."
- Abongo “Roy” Obama is the older half brother to Senator Obama. Roy Obama is a militant Muslim activist in Kenya.
- Michelle Obama trumpets Obama as “the second coming of the messiah,” and also states that she “has NEVER been proud to be an American in her adult life".
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Obama’s sin was saying out loud what everyone already knows.
“Guns, God, and Gays” have been used effectively in a few elections to distract people from real issues like their wages not keeping up with inflation.
What better way to distract people from the fact that after 7 years of corporate tax cuts, that their jobs will still being shipped to China to save a penny, than to rile them up about same sex civil unions?
After bailing out Bear Sterns, and letting the CEO keep his bonuses for last year, what better way is their to distract people from the fact that fraudulent mortgage lenders will get help while you loose you home, than to claim that Liberals want to ban Bibles?
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Arrogant Hypocrite Patronizing Condescending Demagoguery, My fundamental liberal eloquent purveyor of "hope" Pursuivant of "change" One typical elite blunder and now? She, who has to be feared, has surged!
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Those unfamiliar(shame on you!)with Orwell's masterpiece 1 9 8 4 need to peruse it pronto. This Obaman is schizo INCARNATION of Orwell's archetypal fascist. And yes~ some of "the Party" love him...literally to death. His words,his vile TWO MINUTE HATE-like PC-BS in unsubtle appeal to racist envy,rage and ignorance(IGNORANCE is STRENGTH)is terrifying. God help(not damn)this nation if this man and his THOUGHT POLICE (Reid/Pelosi,abetted by PM's MINISTRY OF TRUTH, the MSM)ever achieve Power(with Kennedy;Gore and Carter:schizoid,political losers if there ever were such,as his prime-movers lackey & pseudo oligarchs)!.
The Nation will be introduced to policies never heard-of outside George Orwell's dreaded ROOM 101. If you do not understand the reference,shame on you again(Liberal Patriot(s):dust-off your lit;you affect to be so educated~INNER PARTY to the Max)! Look it up and reckon before you learn the true meaning(as The AG compiles a real enemies list beginning with the former President)of BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING YOU! Arthur McVarish, Houston
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I only hope America wakes up in the wake of Reverend Wright, Michelle not being proud, Obama's inability to comprehend how so many Americans think and his belief that he needs to talk to terrorists and his associations with radicals and those who at least today, would be considered terrorists.
I am not crazy about any of the choices we have been given this election cycle - but I believe Senator Obama is the worst choice of the bunch.
I was born and raised in Pennsylvania and lived there 18 years. I moved to a small town in the midwest. I am offended and believe his statements have a Sister Soulja tinge. I resent being looked upon as a "redneck."
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I believe the poor choices that we have from both sides of the isle this time stems from our acceptance of the lesser of two poor choices in previous years. The current President is going to go down in history as the one who put the last nail in the coffin of the Republican Party. Bush #1 started the dismantling of Reagan's principles. W is just finishing it off. With his push for Amnesty, his new Global Warming initiative about to come out, and his neglect with regard to federal spending...the only two conservative moves that he can claim are his choice for the Supreme's and the tax cuts (of which he failed to make permanent).
This is the reason Obama is even being considered as a candidate. If the Republicans would have been Republicans instead of out Liberaling the Democrats...if they would have been champions of what works (conservative principles)...then we wouldn't even be having this conversation. As it stands, McCain (who almost switched parties a few years back) is pushed on to us as the best choice. This will go down as the biggest screw up of all on behalf of the Republican Party. We had both houses and the Presidency...and we screw it up. In the military we used to call it FUBAR. As it stands, I don't trust either party. They have all shown themselves to crave only power. The hell with everyone else. I rank politicians right down there with Trial Lawyers...oh, I forgot, they are. |
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One of the recurring myths that liberals push in the media is that conservatives appeal to base prejudices of the ignorant masses in order to "steal" elections. The idea that lower class people vote against their own self-interest when they vote conservative (not I did not say Republican). In other words the great unwashed are too stupid to make good choices, which is why the Harvard and Yale lawyers should be trusted to make them for you. While the arrogance and condescension of this marxist premise are self-evident, I have never seen any evidence produced to back up the claim that conservatives appeal to bigotry. Unlike Obama's numerous statements proving his racism and elitism, I have not seen one word published that prove that any conservative has ever appealed to "Guns, God, or Gays". It's a pernicious myth, like the myth that W tried to steal the 2000 election, when the reality was that it was Gore who tried to steal it using the Florida Supreme Kangaroo Court.
The fact is that liberalism is founded on myths and is also founded on bigotry. It is liberals who appeal to the prejudices of less fortunate people, by stoking the hatred of class envy. |
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Americans aren't bitter. They just want better. The only one's bitter here are the Obamas and those they hang out with. Obama has had such a fractured upbringing that it requires therapy. Sans that we have a man who is looking for payback and is willing to keep his agenda hidden. His wife, is such a bitter woman. Why is she bitter? Me thinks because it's a way to get attention. They don't care about blacks, they don't care about America. You know for a campaign not about race, he sure found away to bring it up over and over again. When he referred to bitter people holding on to their guns and religions. I immediately got a picture of WHITE Americans. You know many ethnic groups have suffered, but the difference between other ethnic groups and blacks of OBAMA"s ilk (thankfully there aren't that many) is they love to play the blame game.
Stevie Wonder never let his hard lot in life interfer with his ambition, Ray Charles over came his. Why don't we get off this old tired story of this one is too blame for all my troubles. If you really believe in God these are your trials to overcome. |
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OUR TIME HAS COME FOR DEMOCRATS TO FULLY SUPPORT SENATOR CLINTON TO WIN IN NOV. VOTERS ARE SICK OF THE MEDIA EXCUSING OBAMA NO MATTER EHAT HE DOES, WHO HE IS CONNECTED WITH OR WHO HE OFFENDS!!!!
Obamas view of Americans is extremely disturbing!
http://www.theproblemwithobama.com/
VOTERS DEMAND OBAMA DROP OUT NOW, WITH ALL THE NEW POLITICAL DAMAGING STUFF COMING FROM HIM AND MICHELLE OBAMA, IN ADDITION TO WRIGHTS CONTINUED OBAMA DEFENDED ATTACKS ON WHITE AMERICA. HE WILL SURLY LOOSE THE GENERAL ELECTION FOR DEMOCRATS.
Obama Connection to Terrorists Revealed National Association of Chiefs of Police. http://www.theconservativevoice.com/article/31408.html
Obama has a dual citizenship with Kenya Al-Qaeda chief Osama bin Laden would be praying for an Obama victory because it would help the militants win in Iraq. Citizen Wells 3/08
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If babakazama is right, CHIBRI, then why is he out on the stump, hat in his hands, trying to dribble this piece of sh!t backwards? (BECAUSE THERE IS VERY LITTLE TRUTH YOU CAN HANDLE OUTSIDE OF NASCAR RESULTS)
If babakazama is going to be our next POTUS, why hasn't the broom pilot landed her campaign, CHIBRI? (CHECK IT OUT....POST HOC ERGO PROPTER HOC...THAT MIGHT HELP YA OUT)
If babakazama is right, CHIBRI, why is he trailing in the polls? (YOU MEAN IN THE ONE PLACE THAT DOESN'T MATTER UNLESS YOU ARE AN MSM LEMMING, PENNSYLVANIA, AND THEREFORE THINK THAT THAT WILL MAKE A DIFFERENCE? I GUESS YOU ARE RIGHT, HE SHOULD JUST THROW IN THE TOWEL.
Pack your sh!twagon and yow it back over to MuffPo, where you belong. (I LOVE YOU TOO)
(BY THE WAY, UNLIKE YOU, I DON'T THINK OF MYSELF AS RED OR BLUE....MORE LIKE ALL THE COLORS OF THE RAINBOW) |
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It seems to me there is total lack of understanding or down right denial of some things that go on in our country every day. As someone says, Obama does not know how to run like a politician. In other words he should know better that to say what people really think or do because it may be offensive to some. I think it is rather refreshing to have someone to tell the truth and stick by it when questioned. Regarding the grandma stereotype with remarks,I asked around and many white people said yes they had heard their mother or grandma make unkind remarks just as he said. Yet Obama was criticized for speaking the truth as he knows it very well. And now some are trying to compare what he said to things Kerry said one of which was that all Republicans were crooks and liars. Similar? I don't think so. In fact I have seen many people on tv saying well yes the people are bitter. And also does anyone remember spirituals that slaves sang? Obama did not say this but it was undeniably their religion that got those people through a dark period in their lives. Once again Obama is speaking the truth. Now as a politician maybe he is not supposed to do that. But if we keep doing the same old thing, the same old way we will get the same old result. I prefer a person who speaks the truth and even when uncomfortable sticks by it. And then to add to that McCain said people do not compare economics to things like religion, illegal immigrants, and things they vote on. And Hillary thinks she can go belly up to a bar and look crosseyed at a shot glass and people are going to flock to her in droves? Or say that her dad taught her how to shoot. Is that mentioned in her books? I would much prefer a person who is criticized for telling the truth than one who regularly gets caught making things up. And then what about the involvement of all the people Bill has taken money from? If you do the same old, you get the same old. |
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I personally do not want the presidency to be bought by some money hungry couple who do not know the truth from untruth. Somehow along the way that has gotten confused with them. Between Obama and Clinton there is no real contest. The people voting just have to see that. |
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in the back of his Toyota RAV4, official car of the Gay Liberation Movement. How nice for him and his more equal domestic partner. What does CHIBRI think this is the "Richard Simmons Show" or something?
Whether babakazama is lying or being truthful (he's lying) about small town Pennsy doesn't mean much for my vote, CHIBRI. I am a Republican and wouldn't vote for babakazama or the broad-bottom broom pilot.
And speaking of the Broom Pilot, and her hanging in, you can sling all the Latin phrases around here you like, but it doesn't change the fact that she has administered a late term abortion to your fair-haired boy.
The polls to which I refer, CHIBRI, are the ones that show babakazama getting his hash settled in November by John McCain, who, frankly, won't have to work very hard for the victory.
Oh, and may I ask how tolerant and inclusive babakazama's church is of yourself and your more equal domestic partner?
Now, strap on your TuTu, and head back over to Juliasweeney.com, she'll need you guys to sing some show tunes. |
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Those of you applauding Obama for his alleged willingness to "tell it like it is" fail to realize that his whole shtick depends on evading one particular truth.
The truth Obama dare not tell or permit the voters to hear is this: that all of the economic problems he wants you to focus on -- the loss of manufacturing jobs, stagnant wages, rising healthcare costs, pernicious inflation, the subprime mess, lack of economic opportunity -- all of these problems are a direct result of socialist-inspired government intervention and regulation of the economy, intervention and regulation pushed consistently by liberals and leftists for the past 70 years.
That's the truth Obama must evade at all cost - because only such an evasion can permit him to make the preposterous claim that the solution to these problems is STILL MORE socialist-inspired economic intervention and regulation.
Obama is not "telling it like it is" -- he's hiding behind the same tired, stale, empty liberal rhetoric that's been used to evade the disastrous consequences of their policies for decades. The only issue is whether the American people are going to let him get away with it. Unfortunately, judging from the reaction of liberals here, it appears many are inclined to do so. |
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It's interesting how you slam Obama for being elitist and then you write this garbage in which you pretend like you know exactly how America is feeling. I'm a student, not hit hard by economic woes and I'm still angry about this economy! When I get out of school, if the economy is in the crapper, I won't be able to get a good job, a good mortgage, afford gas, not to mention food prices are rising.
At this point, I'm trying to focus on the issues, as is Obama. Meanwhile, Hillary knows she's on her way out and is just trying to do as much damage as she can. And her followers are supporting her in this. I'm not saying Obama will be a better president when it comes to the issues. I'm just saying the way a person leads a campaign has a lot to do with the way they lead as president. Obama is thoughtful, articulate, steady under pressure and an overall good leader. Hillary lashes out at him on a word he uses like a 5th grade spelling teacher, catching him if he ever uses a word that's not perfectly suited for what he was talking about. Let's think back to the last time we had such a nasty presidential primary run focused on tearing down other candidates and not focusing on any of the issues. Who ended up in the white house? Uh, Bush-Cheney anyone? |
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Now would be a good time go go enlist in the USMC or US Army.
You can do something useful for your country, delay paying off your education and learn a few things.
The experience may even help you see that there is not a dome's worth of difference between babakazama and the broad bottom broom pilot.
Yeah, babakazama is clean and articulate...we've heard that crap before. BUT, he is a moron, who will never, ever be president, Capiche?
Now, is you have a hair on your a55 go enlist. |
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lated polls. But, let's say they're accurate reflections, it doesn't even raise my pulse rate. Another gutsy, stand-up tough guy President, Harry Truman, was lower in those polls significantly...and, within a mere few years was established as a 'Near Great' Prez.
GWB, bless him, doesn't--unlike his predesessor--make daily, much less vastly-important decisions, based upon focus groups & polling. He just keeps going straight ahead, doing the right thing for his country.
The Lib-Left-Dems always ignore a major fact that Mr.Bush takes very seruiously: Bin Laden & Zawahiri, our Dark Age Death Cultist Enemies, have stated over & over for 5-years(Most recently within the past 10-days..)that Iraq is the "Main Front in the War with the Infidel." For George W.Bush, there must be NO RETREAT in the face of these Butchers. Thank God for him.
The Dems would have us Retreat to an ignominious Defeat, which would have World Shaking Consequences.Pantywaists, Cowards & Featherwieght Dweebs. Pathetic and Beneath Contempt. |
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I'm surely not your flavor of Republican.
Though I am told that Furriana Muffington used to be married to a guy on your team who styled himself Republican. Look him up in Santa Barbara. |
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that doesn't understand America? I got involved in politics when Goldwater attracted my attention as a youth. He spoke eloquently about the problems in our country and opposed the Democrats that had allowed the country to fall into disrepair. Reagan finally was able to unite a great majority of citizens that looked at his values as their values.
However, recently the GOP has followed the same path as the Democrats when they held power. Arrogance towards any opposition and an all too willing eagerness to enrich their supporters. If power corrupts, then absolute power corrupts absolutely.
I would suggest that your unwillingness to look at the real problems in America will only serve to suffer the same fate that the Democrats suffered.
You might claim that a positive rating of 28% for President Bush means nothing, but that attitude is a slap at the 72% of Americans that disagree. For too long the party has been successful in elections by marginalizing the country.
The majority of Americans are unwilling to stand in lines defined by conservative or liberal. The issues are too great to be categorized by yes or no answers. People are unwilling to accept a president that doesn't see $4 gas in their future. And they don't care about the impurity of socialized medicine when 45 million are uninsured. And they resent watching $30B go to a Bear Stearns solution while a homeowner is given a phone number.
So, while you speak of Senator Obama's ignorance of parts of our country, the majority of Americans have watched the GOP ignore the great majority of middle class Americans. That is how we see it. And just as the Democrats became ignorant of their fate, so too goes the Republican party. Your actions have cast your role as irrelevant to the good of the nation. Until there is an honest debate without the words conservative and liberal, black and white, young and old, the distance between what unites us and separates us will remain too vast for all Americans.
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Here is the full comment with no editing or Spin you be the judge who is spining this .......
OBAMA: So, it depends on where you are, but I think it's fair to say that the places where we are going to have to do the most work are the places where people feel most cynical about government. The people are mis-appre...I think they're misunderstanding why the demographics in our, in this contest have broken out as they are. Because everybody just ascribes it to 'white working-class don't wanna work -- don't wanna vote for the black guy.' That's...there were intimations of that in an article in the Sunday New York Times today - kind of implies that it's sort of a race thing.Here's how it is: in a lot of these communities in big industrial states like Ohio and Pennsylvania, people have been beaten down so long, and they feel so betrayed by government, and when they hear a pitch that is premised on not being cynical about government, then a part of them just doesn't buy it. And when it's delivered by -- it's true that when it's delivered by a 46-year-old black man named Barack Obama (laugher), then that adds another layer of skepticism (laughter). But -- so the questions you're most likely to get about me, 'Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What's the concrete thing?' What they wanna hear is -- so, we'll give you talking points about what we're proposing -- close tax loopholes, roll back, you know, the tax cuts for the top 1 percent. |
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Obama's gonna give tax breaks to middle-class folks and we're gonna provide health care for every American. So we'll go down a series of talking points.But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. So it's not surprising then that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations. Um, now these are in some communities, you know. I think what you'll find is, is that people of every background -- there are gonna be a mix of people, you can go in the toughest neighborhoods, you know working-class lunch-pail folks, you'll find Obama enthusiasts. And you can go into places where you think I'd be very strong and people will just be skeptical. The important thing is that you show up and you're doing what you're doing. |
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For those who want to claim that conservatives don’t play people and con them using emotional issues to vote against their economic self interest; only need to Google: +"ballot initiatives" +"gay marriage"
In 2004, those initiatives brought out millions of voters; and then in 2005 80% of household’s incomes didn’t keep up with inflation.
It is nobody’s business if gays get married, and it is long overdue. Science is starting to show that gay’s, are born the way they are; it’s time to give them their civil liberties.
And if we are to face the challenges of the future, I’d rather have a president whose pastor was smart enough to repeat the 9-11 Commissions findings as to why we were attacked instead of someone whose Pastor actually is so dumb as to think the world in 6,000 years old.
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gov't schools in your next life.
Homosexuals don't have Civil Liberties?? Which Civil Liberties are they NOT enjoying?
Now, FOCUS: Man-Woman Marriage is THE essential building block of Civilization since History began. A current PC-Whimsey should not be allowed to rewrite that Building Block. Period. Ever. |
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First off, what made you assume I am gay? (Is that what psychologists call "projection"?). By stating that I am not red or blue, what I meant was that I vote as an independent. I am not sure how any supposed intelligent person can say "gee, I will vote for a republican/democrat because they are part of MY party. I voted for Ronald Reagan...TWICE...and would gleefully have plucked out my eyeballs before ever voting for your idiot pal DUBYA (or is it "DUMB-YA"). By the way, I live in rural America (with lots of bitter people to be sure)...don't have a rav4...and sorry, no rainbow stickers or domestic partner. But I'd be happy to take ya out back to the woodshed sometime! Look, Hillary is doin' whatever she's doin'...but she's out of the race (unless you are deaf, dumb, blind, or Bill); McCain will be so quickly brought down after the dems get beyond this show they have going on. He is pro war, won't support the new GI bill, wants to keep the bush tax cuts, has no real party left to support him, says really erroneous and freaky things in public, is way too old, and on and on one could go....totally unelectable. The best irony for me is that, having really disliked Bush for 8 years, his presence is the reason the next Prez was destined to be a woman or a Black man. If he had been more moderate, less insane, less the war monger, less big governement, less money spending, less secret spying, freedom taking, thief he turned out to be, America would never accept Hillary of Barack....but THANKS TO BUSH the name of the game is "ANYTHING AMERICA can do to keep another republican out of the White House"...which is exactly why the republican party chose to throw McCain under the bus, and which is exactly why the left of the dem party chose NOW to deliver to America...President Barack Obama. Parting is such sweet sorrow S/A86. Let's enjoy the ride now, shall we?
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you, Boyo! The upside of his Lib-Anger is that he posted a PERFECT statement of what they are.
Remember the--who the Hell can ever, ever forget??--the BITTERNESS of Demo-dum after 'W' whupped nancy Gore in '00? When this utterly Clueless Kid sees 35 to 40 states vote McCain in November, the bitterness/hatred for President Booooosh will look mild. They are gonna be beyond hysterics! Luvin' the whole idea...LUVIN' IT!!! |
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Nasticrats will plot and plan and dig their pits for their political enemies and then fall into them themselves....Psalms 7 It is just a beatuiful thing.
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NO candidate for POTUS has ever won without receiving a majority of the white male vote, never, the last 3 democrat presidents were white southerners who did, given Barry Soetoro's associations, and his contempt for middle America, especially white middle America, makes his chances for POTUS about as likely as Tiger Woods never winning another golf tournament, so no "chibri", there will not be a Soetoro presidency or for that matter a B. Hussein one either, for there is just NO way this guy, who thinks that the Muslim called to prayer "is one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset" will ever garner a majority of the white male vote, and further more "chibri" your super delegates know this too, thats why they haven't committed to him, they are in full panic mode, and are desperate to find a way out of this mess, "algore, algore, where fore art you algore, save us"........so "chibri" the only parting taking place, is Barry Soetoro's Presidential chances.....just ask your super delegates...... |
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his thoughtful updating of Op-Chaos status. He made a good point in reminding everyone that where it'll pay off big isn't now. It'll be in November. The longer and more bitter the knife fighting of the delicate Dems, the better it pays in November. And, that's the point.
In addition to Op-Chaos, the more Obama and his Missus run off at their elite mouffs, the better the debacle is in the General. Lordy, did you catch Michelle's soundbites today? Ouch. |
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start with you, from start to finish, inanity, but i will say this Kuni, that Pastor who you say spouts the "truth" concerning 9/11, he makes NO distinction between you and i, in his bigoted anti-white rants, if your not black, your "the blue eyed devil" too, Kuni, NO distinction made, Kuni, according to Wright, Farrakhan, Barry Soetoro, Raila Odinga, et al, they believe in black nationalism, black separatism, if your not black, Kuni, they want to be separated from you, Kuni, because your every bit the problem that i am, Kuni, you "blue eyed devil", you!!! |
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Let me introduce your next President Barack Hussein Obama!!!!
Folks, you just gotta face the facts. So many hysterical rants to respond to I can't get to them all...but the hit list includes:
"after 'W' whupped nancy Gore in '00" (If I am not mistaken, I believe it is common knowledge that Gore WON the popular vote, I have no argument with W winning the electoral votes, but hardly a "whupping")
"This kid" by the way is over 50 (Voted for Reagan remember?...do the math).
The idea that Obama could not get the majority of White male voters is wishful thinking more than any logic (it would be a separate debate as to whether he needs them as you assert, by the way....again, is everyone here so math challenged?...more than half of the voters in the US are women, and now perhaps becuase of Obama, it looks like a good percentage more than half will be democrats). He sure is scoring White male voters in the primary and he was up against quite a few White men and even now a White woman.
It's funny that you think that the dems are frightened and that is why they haven't called the primary race off. One could, and I do argue quite the opposite....they are running one VERY long TV ad, and in the fall McCain will fall quickly and they are quite aware and quite certain of it.....as any thinking person ought to be.
Think about this....McCain's basic message is that everything is on the right track...taxes (economics), the way to win the war (yeah, everyone is behind that!!!)...he is offering 4 more years of Bush. Do you really think people want that? |
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by November tima!
It's 3:00 A.M. The phone rings...... McCain is ready....Nov. 08 |
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I am a middle aged housewife with alot of kids, don't ever go to church, and have not used a gun since I was in the Navy (a lifetime ago)and I WAS OFFENDED by Obamas remarks. I have a hard time believing people fitting Obamas god & guns description were not offended. This remark is not going away. |
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Parallel Universe, I admit. No way to make contact. Missy Obama said at a campaign stop yesterday that,"My husband intends to change the face of America." A mighty Radical notion, Babycakes.
Keep Michelle out there in FRONT, will ya!
Clueless. TOAST. Neither of the O'Bammy's are ready for Primetime. |
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Well she was wrong to say it in that the face of America has already changed.
I just tell it like it is. IF Hillary or McCain were truly leading in some way, I would say that...I honestly will be fine no matter who the next prez is. But I read a lot on left and right, lib and conserv. and I can tell you that if you weigh things out with an objective eye, Barack Obama is going to be the next president of the U.S.A. Unless something really radical happens.
Btw, you seem less like a neocon, which is a political philosophy, and more like a neo nazi...a bit hateful of your fellow (Black) man or women....you refer to Ms. Obama as "Missy", and you refer to them both as the "O'Bammy's"....what is your point in doing that? |
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Kid. What ARE those words? Focus: You must be awful new here, Pilgrum, or you'd know that I consider this stuff very little more--IF that--than comic book pamphleteering. That's why "those words". A fun diversion. Rarely to be taken seriously. Now, what's your Thought Police point in asking, specifically, about O'Bammy & Missy? Ya smell something...like the...eeeeek...'r' word lurking in there, Boyo? You might want to ask my longtime friends and friendly Lib-Adversaries at HH about that. PC Twaddle begs for constant deflating & tweeking from Old Schoolers like me. I've had to watch its birth, growth and flourishing in my own industry for decades. It is--again, Focus--LIES.
Neo-Nazi? Defend that, bitte. My dissertation was on the SS Einsatzgruppen. Ya think maybe that and the studies at the Institut fur Zeitgeschichte and the decades spent immersed in 20th Century Monsters and their ideologies maybe seeped under my Nefarious Neo Skin and infected?????
Now, scat, pantywaist. I've spent WAY too much time humoring myself with youse.
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Slice, dice, toss in a few freakin dissy words and ya think ya kill it? R seems to be the word that fits ya bud. And maybe because of yer time in Allemande (your call not ours).....but excuses are not manly.
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Typical when the brains of the right hit a dead end (and always a short drive). Child's play....So, I am outta here for now. But hit you back after the BHO inaugural next January....
ADIOS
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Say Hi to the kosroids for me. |
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oddly, I think I will miss you. You have your own certain charm. |
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Likewise. ;-)
Happy Trails until that Inaugural with F-22s in formation as Juanito McCain takes office, January 20, 2009, with the Evil Boooosh & The Hated Cheney grinning in the background. |
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