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I agree. McCain is labeled as honorable. Maybe so 30 or 40 years ago. Not so now. He has dishonorably betrayed his party. |
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I didn't know this was an issue. Are you talking about whether Romney should miss a few hours on the campaign trail?
Useless, silly post, Matt. |
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to a machine boss, though didn't you?
How does it show courage for Romney to attend the funeral?
I must be missing your point completely. |
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This is true throughout his life, with his wife and friends.
Conversely, McCain cheated on his disabled wife with a millionaire mistress 17 years younger than him. He then divorced his disabled wife and his mistress' dad bought him his seat in Congress.
Shortly thereafter, McCain defrauded the American people of millions of dollars in the infamous Keating 5 scandal.
We know which candidate has real loyalty. |
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President Hinckley. I wondered if Mitt Romney would be able to go, but it was not an issue of honor, or right or wrong, or even controversy, but scheduling. I am glad for him that he was able to be able to go to the funeral.
But Matt, I don't get your analogy to Harry Truman. President Hinckley was the leader of the LDS Church. Why is attending that funeral the same as attending a poltical bosses funeral (like Tom Pendergast)? Why is there any controversy at all? Because he is Mormon? Why should that even matter?
And bmr--why is this an opportunity for you to attack McCain? McCain is a loyal and good conservative. |
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If you think McCain is a conservative you need to quit sniffing glue. It's damaging your brain. |
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Gordon B Hinckley is one of the giants of our time. There will be thousands in person and millions by broadcast who will pause this day to honor his memory and celebrate his passing to a better place now that his work here is done. The mantle will pass on. |
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even tho we dont agree about mitt..your comments
were decent and good...!
pc- your response about "not being an issue" tells me that your more intelligent on this point ...more than the hucksters followers in the south!he's been pushing his "religion"(minister)etc. ...
joe..thanks for the codolence(sp)! but juan is
well..you know my feelings...take care
pc- there are millions that will make it an issue if you give them enough time! i think matt knows that!?
like to tell you a story about gordon b hinkley-
when gladys knight joined the church(mormon)she wrote a letter to him..and said "pres. hinkley,some of our songs need a little more ooomph"! smile. lds is very conservative! sooo everyone thought he would politely say "no thanks" he shocked almost everyone and said"you write it sister knight, we'll sing it" ha ha ha
i still laugh..but i agree! she even slowed some down..(all she meant was the melody) we didnt become the mormon rockers! ha ha ha! i have heard her speak--dyno-mite! let the funeral ROLL ON! and no..we are not going to put donnie osmond as president of the church! smile elvis |
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The point of this post is that Mitt is going to a funeral of the President of the Mormon Church when the thing that has hurt Mitt the most is his Mormonism. Flip Flopping is a cover for those who don't have the courage to say they are opposing Mitt because he is a Mormon. I am a conservaitve evangelical Christian and I am offended at the bigotry and intolerance of many whom I agree with on religious matters. John McCain, though a war hero and POW, is not fit to hold a candle to Mitt Romney. I voted for Ronald Reagan when he ran against Gerald Ford and for Steve Forves when he ran against Bob Dole. I ended up voting for both Ford and Dole in the general elections because they were decent, honorable men. John McCain is noeither decent nor honorable. He has continously stabbed the conservative movement and the Repblican party in the back for the past eight years out of retribution and vengeance for 2000. Knowing he was going to lose in FLorida, he resorted to a vile smear that even the NY TImes said was not true. If my party nominates McCain, I will not vote Republican for the first time in my 54 years. My party will need to lose and lose badly to find its footing again.
By going to Hinckley's funeral, Mitt is showing genuine courage and loyalty. In his December "Faith" speech, Mitt said that if being loyal to his faith causes him to lose, so be it. He will not be the only one to lose, we all will as a decent man has been beaten by a scoundrel who has the same reckless disregard for the truth that the Clinton's do and like them will say and do anything to be elected. |
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I wrote a blog exposing the anti-Romney lies. It would be a good url to spread around.
http://fuddyfoo.townhall.com/Default.aspx |
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for Hugh Hewitt.
Again my condolances to President Hinckley's family and the members of the LDS Church. The good thing about a funeral of a good man (I did not know a lot about him but he is widely loved by those who do) in his 90s is (while sad) is not tragic and is a celebration of life. |
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on the gladys knight story i told...? politically
you are an irritation to me! but it is becoming
clear to me you are a very decent person..in my judgement!
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The reality is that Mitt Romney's schedule was surely altered to allow him to attend the funeral.
Please remember that he needs to take a flight to and from Utah in order to attend. Mitt Romney is not taking the entire day off of the campaign as he will visit several states as well.
I personally commend Mitt Romney for not backing away of his faith even though it is apparently a issue with some Evangelical voters.
Mike Huckabee supported need to accept that Mitt Romney is a devoutly religious man and shares many of the same Social Conservative Ideals that Mike Huckabee holds.
Mike Huckabee and Mitt Romney are splitting the Conservative voting block and as a result John McCain will get the Republican Nomination unless they unite to prevent John McCain from getting the nomination. |
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Romney does the right thing, occasionally it takes him some time to figure out the right thing, (abortion) but he really does have convictions and acts on them.
The funeral appearance is much more than religion. Romney's father was a general authority in the church. Romney has many friends in the leadership of the church. Elements of the Romney family have been in the leadership of the church for decades.
It is not a matter of religion or politics so much as it is a matter of the right thing to do socially. |
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I am glad he decided to go to the funeral of someone in his faith he respects, regardless of how it affects his campaign.
PC, in case your head has been in a bag, Romney has been suffering much abuse and bigotry for being a Mormon. It is obvious white supremacists have found a new voice in Mike Huckabee, while the press and many Republicans ignore this obvious and blatant connection. They are the ones behind that 527 stuffing people's mailboxes, falsely accusing Mormons of being "Islamic." Some of them are former KKK members, they changed their name to fool people and it seems to be working. You morons, pay attention. |
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Abortion will never stop, legal or illegal, until we get to the source of the problem and stop protecting the rights of violent men over the Constitutional Rights of innocent women and children. |
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Watching him in the debate with McCain consolidated my view of him. McCain came across as petty and mean.
Romney was NOT my first choice, but he gets my vote NOW. I like Huckabee better than McCain, but hope Huck throws his support to Romney because right now they are splitting the anti-McCain vote.
If Romney continues to climb in the polls, we need to vote for him. Conversely, if Huck somehow starts to surge, it's better for us to unite behind him than McCain. I think Romney is more consistently conservative than Huck, but Huck is probably still more conservative than McCain.
I don't hate McCain. I think he is a war hero. However, in recent years he has shown more and more willingness to side with liberals like Kennedy and Feingold. that's a problem. |
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Mitt has a right to be mormon, americans have a right to judge him according to the "faith of his fathers. It's simple really.All americans apply a religious test. They decide if a candidates religious beliefs are important or not then they vote accordingly. Mormon's vote for Mitt because he is mormon e.g. NV, WY. Other americans vote against him because he is mormon. Americans in general fear and distrust Bin Ladin because of his religious beliefs. Communism was feared because of its religious beliefs i.e. atheism. The religious test is universal and i am proud to say I would never under any circumstances vote for a mormon in the whitehouse. And if you think it does not matter - explain why americans fear Bin Ladin?
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Matt Lewis wrote;
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"My personal take is that Romney is doing the right thing by attending, and that this honorable decision will hep him -- not hurt him -- with voters, because it shows courage and loyalty."
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I swear, Matt, only a self-aggrandizing creature of the Potomac such as yourself would publicly weigh the pros and cons of attending a funeral, as to how it might affect a political race.
Are you sure you aren't a closeted Clintonista ?
Later this afternoon, are you going to give us the Gallup numbers on 'how much' crying is acceptable at a funeral ? |
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Matt,
Mitt doesn't need your approval nor your permission to attending the funeral.
Sarah,
You have opened my eyes to something. "explain why americans fear Bin Ladin?" Americans don't fear Bin Laden. They hate him. They hate him because he is evil. They hate him because he kills. They hate him because he hates the innocent and the good and has committed his existence to destroying them. If that's is how you feel about Mitt Romney, I feel sorry for you.
I am Roman Catholic and not once in my life have I ever sought to qualify an association, acquaintance or friendship by religion.
You have really opened my eyes to what Huckabee has done and has sought to do all along.
I hope to garner as much support for Mitt Romney as I can, BUT PLEASE, I DO NOT WANT YOU TO SUPPORT MITT ROMNEY. |
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ha ha ha ha ! HOW MUCH CRYING IS ACCEPTABLE AT THE FUNERAL!!?? HA HA HA! YOUR FUNNIER THAN HUCKSTER FROM ARKANSAS! HA HA HA! NEED MORE OF THAT! MC MEXICO WILL PROBABLY SAY MITT WENT TO THE WRONG FUNERAL! AND THE LIBERAL MEDIA WILL JUMP ALL OVER IT..THEN A VIDEO WILL PROVE OTHERWISE!
SERIOUSLY.......going to a funeral is an act of respect!isnt there more of that needed in this country? Pres. Hinkley was an exceptionally good leader and human.! why dont we concentrate on that?(respect) even joe..did that, and he knows nothing of gordon b hinkley!
elvis!
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GOPJOHN
Thank you for your post. You touched my heart. Even some of regular Romney bashers, like Joe, show decency in these comments.
Sarah
I don't expect much from you, but I believe Bin Laden wants to kill people who espouse religious liberty. Mitt Romney, unlike you, espouses religious liberty and freedom of conscience. I have to agree with 606. Your hatred carries the mantle of Bin Laden. |
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Mike Leavitt, Harry Reid, Orin Hatch and Mitt Romney were all seated by each other. It was a really nice service. |
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President Hinckley's funeral can be seen at http://www.lds.org/broadcast in the archives. The English version should be up soon. It may include the graveside as well as the conference center services. Other languages will be posted by Feb 5.
LDS funerals are somewhat different. For the most part they are not a time of great sadness. They are more like a great family reunion. This one particularly was faith promoting, a source of strength and spiritually uplifting.
If you really want insight into and understanding of the Mormon Community I would suggest that you watch this if you can.
This is the Mormon Faith in one of its most practical and essential functions. |
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My family and I just returned from paying our respect and honor to the president and prophet of our church, Gordon. B. Hinckley. This was the man my children have admired from afar for most of their lives. We love him for his leadership, wisdom, counsel and good humor. He was a man of the highest character and devotion to God. He will be missed, but there is one of like stature who will soon lead the LDS church.
God bless him, too. |
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I agree that attending the service was the right thing to do, President Hinckley was a good man.
I'd also like to note, and thank everyone here, for the tone of civility that has permeated this thread. |
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and others who always stand up against the anti-Mormon comments made here. I really appreciate it.
marystella - you too. |
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disagree on political issues...is to be expected
sometimes. but the respect shown on this subject is very moving to me.... did god create all of us? I think so......
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Sarah,
As a Mormon, I have seen my share of religious intolerance, which I can't understand. I know that local churches where I live hold anti-Mormon classes which are completely beyond my comprehension. I have never even heard of such a thing proposed in my own church. Religious tolerance is one of our core beliefs. I suggest that if you want to know what Mormons believe, you would be more accurately served by asking a Mormon (or looking at the church website lds.org) than listening to apparently religious people from other faiths that only espouse their own hate and bigotry.
Some things that are different in the LDS faith than in traditional Christianity are that we don't subscribe to the concept of the Trinity, i.e. we don't believe that the Father, Son and Holy Ghost are the same person, but that they are separate divine beings that are one in purpose. As far as that goes, ask around and find out how many of Non-Mormons believe that Christ and God are not the same person.
We use the bible as Holy Scripture and use the King James version, but recognize that there are uncorrectable errors in it that have origin in both intentional and unintentional mistranslations that occurred before the printing press was invented. We also believe in another book of Scripture that was translated in the early 1800s. Like I said, look at lds.org and you can see for yourself.
What provoked my comments were the unbelievable mind-numbing intolerance I see here and elsewhere. The question should not be whether we would vote for a Mormon or a (insert denomination here), but whether we would vote for a moral man who happens to be a Mormon or an immoral man who is something else. |
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He fundraised for planned parenthood, an organization that counsels women to kill babies and tells teenagers if they want an abortion they do not have to tell their parents about it. He also distorted his opponents records (Huck/Mc) because he could afford negative advertising and they could not afford to counter. He has also made up stories about NRA endorsements, seeing his parents march with MLK, being a life long hunter etc. He and his supporters have insulted republican voters who choose to support Huck as "stupid evangelicals" and "ignorant", in addition he has insulted all people who believe that his record as governor does not make him a conservative but a liberal like Rudy. Immoral and Unacceptable as president. Mormonism is a cult, and we can choose to disagree on the subject but do not tell me what to believe and I won't tell you what to believe. |
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Of course Mitt has time to attend the funeral. He does not have a winning strategy left and he is hoping this attendance gives him some press coverage and sympathy votes. Fortunately, it won't work - republicans do not want him for president. And Yes, I am proud not to support a cult. |
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is based on our understanding of his religion. If you listen to his fellow believers their religion is great but we know his actions are based on his religious beliefs. This is the religious test, what Mitt believes about the "faith of his fathers" will affect his decisions as president. And we who believe mormonism to be a deadly cult, do not want his leadership in the whitehouse. His religion may not teach him to kill physically but it teaches him other things that are "wacky" to quote Anne Coulter and americans do not want a wacko in the whitehouse. |
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Your lies all over Town Hall are annoying. Thank you, however, for including them in this thread. Hopefully they will show more people the type of person you really are. |
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I cannot believe the vitriol contained in your posts. Do you have any idea how offensive and bigoted your posts sound to the vast majority of Americans? I just get to the point where I really believe that religion has been set aside as an issue in this campaign and someone like you pops up. Thanks for the reality check.
And if your actions are based on your religious beliefs, as you state Romney's are, then please tell me what those religious beliefs are so that I can be sure to stay far far away as you scare the hell out of me. |
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Looks like I spoke too soon about civility. Sarah couldn't resist herself, and of course Brianakira had to add a snide remark. What a shame. |
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Your preacher must spend most of his time spewing false anti-mormon rhetoric than teaching your own philosophy. Mormonism is not a "deadly cult", and you sound ridiculous when you say that. Gordon B. Hinckley was a great humanitarian that worked with many other faiths to better the lives of those less fortunate all over the world. Pres. Bush awarded him the Medal of Honor. American Presidents meet with whoever the current president of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day saints, just as they meet with leaders of other faiths. Mormons don't "bash" other faiths as you do. This is an honorable and mainstream religion who worships Jesus Christ. Grow up and stop being such a puppet of your hate filled preacher. Try being Christ-like for a change.
Thanks to Joe and others for your kind words. |
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There is no appealing to either of them for a measure of civility. I see people try every day, but to no end. It just is what it is, and TH won't do anything. They belong on lefty blogs because their commentary is beneath the dignity of this forum. |
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I felt the same way after seeing how Sen. McCain lied about his statements last week .. in the same statement Romney said he would veto any withdrawl ..
How can you vote for someone so dishonest ?
I don't see how I can ..
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Today, I watched for a long time the funeral for President Hinckley and not once was I able to spot Mitt Romney nor any other LDS politicians. I switched over to some other Channels, and it was all politics, and no mention of the Funeral. It wasn't until late in the evening when a snippet of what took place was featured on Fox News, and then it was for only for a few seconds, and did show Mitt Romney and maybe a flash of Harry Reid. So I'm wondering where is all this Media coverage Romney was supposedly there at the funeral to get? |
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