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Monday, February 04, 2008
The Establishment's "Rudy Strategy"
Posted by: Patrick Ruffini at 1:11 AM

In light of John McCain’s success, James Joyner wonders:

Perhaps “conservatives” are now a minority, even among Republican primary voters? If so, given that there are virtually no conservatives remaining in the Democratic Party these days and that voters who aren’t aligned with either party are almost by definition non-ideological, that would mean that conservatives are a small minority, indeed, among the American electorate.

Alternatively, perhaps the definition of “conservative” has become so narrow and esoteric that it’s become virtually meaningless?

Here is what bothers me about talk of an “inevitable” conservative “consolidation” around Romney.

Some assume that because conservatives are the largest bloc of GOP voters, their preferred candidate (Romney) ought to win. And that if he doesn’t, this large bloc has slipped into minority status and/or irrelevance. This analysis is fundamentally flawed.

It doesn’t just matter who you win, but how much you win them by. A 15-point lead with conservatives doesn’t do you much good if McCain’s lead amongst the smaller moderate bloc is 30 points. A McCain victory wouldn’t mean that moderates dominate the GOP; it would mean that for whatever reason conservatives didn’t think Mitt Romney was the second coming of Ronald Reagan and were divided.

Isn’t this the same analysis we saw pre-South Carolina? That Obama would win blacks and Hillary would win whites? And that this would be a winning situation for her on February 5th?

Instead, what we’re seeing is that Obama is utterly dominating amongst African Americans and Hillary is barely making up for it with tepid leads amongst whites and Latinos.

Having the biggest bloc is no guarantee of victory. You need to tend to it or else big leads with target groups shrink to small leads. The conservative establishment has taken a lot for granted since late December. They watched McCain win New Hampshire, and waited for South Carolina. They watched McCain win South Carolina, and waited for Florida. They then watched McCain win Florida, and switched into panic mode. In effect, they followed in the electoral footsteps of Rudy Giuliani’s wait-and-hope strategy.

For a long time, I was like most conservatives. I didn’t think John McCain could win. As soon as that assessment changed mid- to late-December, my blogging honed in on McCain. At the time, most of the ’sphere remained obsessed with taking out the niche candidacy of Mike Huckabee. Of the big conservative pundits, I think only Hugh Hewitt and Mark Levin focused on McCain over Huckabee — and even then, there was a fair amount of Huckabashing.

Six weeks later, here we are, with the hated Mike Huckabee with the same shot he had months ago (little to none), but fighting a desperate rearguard action against McCain with less than a week to execute. Sorry folks, but it’s probably too little too late.

The conventional wisdom about moderates like McCain and Giuliani in the GOP primary process is wrong. It’s not necessarily harder for a moderate to win the primary than the general election. Remember that in primary, you only need a plurality of Republicans, including big majorities of moderates, independents, and crossover Democrats, and a minority — perhaps as small as 20% — of conservatives. Blue states like California, New York, New Jersey, and Connecticut which the GOP nominee usually writes off in the Electoral College have an outsized say in the nomination process because of winner-take-all (or winner-take-all-by-district) rules. General elections are fought between the 40 yard lines. Primaries are fought over the whole field, with a greater chance of sudden shifts and surprising outcomes.

McCain would have a higher bar to clear in the general than in the primary. In the general, he’d need the enthusiastic support of 95% of conservatives, and every single conservative voter who threatens to stay home is a threat to his electability. In the primary, the bar is set quite low. All he needs now is 30-40%. What we are seeing now is the usual consolidation we see around establishment Republican frontrunners, except at 75-80% strength. So instead of winning 50-20 he’d win 40-30.

My assessment of the unmitigated failure of attacking Huckabee from the other day still stands. If you wanted Romney to be the nominee, you needed to be attacking McCain early and not in the usual ways. You needed to allow for six weeks for a narrative to develop. Huckabee posed a short-term tactical threat to Romney in Iowa; though he hurt Romney, he had no chance of winning the nomination. McCain posed a strategic threat starting in New Hampshire, as evidenced by the floodgates that were opened by that first win. He didn’t hurt Romney so much as he cleared the field of acceptable alternatives for the less partisan rank-and-file.



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TrueHawk writes: Tuesday, February, 05, 2008 7:23 AM
All Have Sinned
All the remaining GOP candidates have sinned and fallen short of being the perfect conservative. Each has been left of center on occassions.

To many of us the one who was the farthest left, and in extreme outspoken ways, was Mitt Romney. So it is laughable to us for him to be considered the most conservative.

Conservatives have it lined up all sorts of way in their minds as to who is most conservative. To me it is: Huck then Mac then Paul then Mitt.
annie oaklyey writes: Monday, February, 04, 2008 10:40 PM
David Austin Spot On!
There is no difference between McCain and Hillary! If McCain wins the nod I'm on the Ann Coulter train! I won't let McCain reshape the party of Reagan in his liberal image. And by the way conserviatives are on to you liberal spammers who pose as McCain supporters, we all know you're being paid by Move On to sit at home and blog all day. I know McCain will get killed by Hillary or Obama in the General, can't fool me!
Shannon writes: Monday, February, 04, 2008 3:52 PM
California voter
Does anyone know what Romney promised California voters? We want some of that pander money out here!! Free gas for a year!!
Virginia Patriot writes: Monday, February, 04, 2008 3:19 PM
You Gotta Vote

Please do NOT stay home. You must vote. You do not have to vote for Hillybama or McAmnesty. There are always other parties and people on the ballot. You could write in Joe Oliva. The important votes are for House and Senate seats. Conservatives MUST win seats in the House. The House is where things get done. It was the passage of H.R. 4437, an enforcement bill, in Dec.05 that sparked the illegal alien protest marches and moved this issue to the front burner. It was the Senate that tried to jam amnesty down our throats. The D's that won seats in '06 were conservatives running on enforcement platforms. One of them, Heath Shuler D-NC, introduced the SAVE Act. Call, e-mail, or write your Congressman and urge support of this legislation. Enforcement is what Americans want, not amnesty.

Amnesty is a losing proposition.
I don't think Hillary is stupid enough to step in front of this bus.
McCain is.
Spiceman writes: Monday, February, 04, 2008 3:03 PM
I Thik Your Logic Is Flawed
If only McCain and Romney were in, Ron and Huckabee were out perhaps your logic would make sense. about

Huckabee is just is a dog in the manger. He cannot make it so he will cut his nose to spite his face. He never had the means to make it through the General, and neither does McCain. So it is just a matter of realizing that they have been smearing Mitt with so much people get frustrated if they cannot learn the truth.

Mitt has been successful in his personal life, family life, social, business and political life up to this point, and if he does not win it is because people would rather believe a lie our of fear, an to pray, study and observe. But fear puts out the lamp of faith that so many are lacking because of corrupt politicians. Truly the devil rules on Capital Hill.

Are we gong to allow apathy rob us of our right because of the Liberal offensive. If we are than we did not deserve it in the first place.

Out of 11 states on Super Tuesday Primary Poll Summary
RASMUSSAN REPORTS AVERAGES

. . . . . . McCain___Romney__Huckabee__Undecided____Total%
Totals . . 36.82% . .31.27% . 16.00% . . . 15.91% . . . .100.00%
jtb-in-texas writes: Monday, February, 04, 2008 2:37 PM
Huckabee had a chance on the CNN/YouTube
debate to state that the Bible is the inerrant word of God. He didn't. Bad form, one might say, for a guy who leans so much on his former job as a Bible-thumper...

What separates his apparently false religion from Romney's? IMO, nothing. Sola Scriptura, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sola_scriptura, is the Protestant creed. Huckabee refused to invoke it. That means he doesn't believe it.

Romney actually has experience leading large corporations out of financial woes into prosperity. Between the four guys still running, I think that is the best credentials for a President in these economic times...

YMMV.
jtb-in-texas writes: Monday, February, 04, 2008 2:27 PM
This Conservative won't stay home on
Election Day; but as I'm wading through the line, if the Republicans actually select John McCain, I'll be mulling whether to vote "straight D" in protest or whether to just write in "Duncan Hunter" for President...

And my wife, a naturalized US Citizen who was a LEGAL immigrant, feels the same way...
David Austin writes: Monday, February, 04, 2008 2:21 PM
McCain debates Hillary, lovingly
Now that the Republican party has practically let the mainstream media pick their candidate we can look forward to what upcoming debates will be like (note: feel free to replace "Hillary" with "Obama" as their positions on the following are the same):

Hillary: Repeal all the Bush Tax cuts!
McCain: I agree!

Hillary: Reward all illegals with citizenship!
McCain: I agree!

Hillary: For now punish America alone for global warming!
McCain: I agree!

Hillary: Alito is too conservative!
McCain: I agree!

Hillary: Abort unwanted babies!
McCain: I agree if it belongs to my daughter!

Hillary: Gay rights!
McCain: Especially if they’re “passionate lesbians”!

Hillary: No Man-Woman Marriage Amendment!
McCain: I agree!

Hillary: Protect incumbents and limit free speech!
McCain: Long live McCain-Feingold!

Hillary: No Alaska drilling!
McCain: I agree!

Hillary: Vote for me!
McCain: I agree! Wait… ! Ummmmmm...

Note: all these responses were derived from ardent McCain statements or positions.
David Austin writes: Monday, February, 04, 2008 2:20 PM
Got it wrong , Ruffini
Huck played a big part in McCain's nomination, but it wasn't Huck's part. The MSM scripted the part for him. He was just reading it. The MSM has consistently played the republican party to get their candidate nominated.

Another thing: Romney can, and has, and will win over the majority of Americans if given enough time. Consistently he has beat overwhelming odds, winning either 1st or second place in most every state, where he started as an unknown Mormon. Conversely, McCain does horrible in debates and the best thing he did in this election was to say almost nothing for the last year as everyone else tore themselves apart.

The nominee won't be so lucky in the primary. Debate skills and diplomacy will be paramount - and McCain severely lacks both. The MSM knows this, and has admitted many times how scared they've been of Romney. They're not scared of McCain. Obama or Clinton will destroy him with nary a thought.
soulsamurai writes: Monday, February, 04, 2008 2:02 PM
Failure of Judgement
It wasn't only a tactical & strategical blunder to attack Huckabee it was also a moral error of judgement. Conservative principles were compromised in attacking a fellow conservative for the purpose of expediency. Now those establishment Republicans and conservatives are reaping the cost of their failure in judgement.

The failure was to support Romney who clearly was a moderate and to paint him as a conservative because he had the money to win - while bashing Huckabee and painting him as a "pro-life liberal" and a nanny state Republican which he was & is not - only because it was believed he could not win. The opinion leaders on the right engaged in Drive-by tactics against Huckabee and therein lost their integrity.

The truth is Huckabee is the only remaining candidate that fairly represents all three legs of the conservative stool. Spin all you want, Romney does not. The more you try to spin that Romney somehow represents conservatives the more you lose your integrity by sacrificing truth upon the alter of expediency. For the sake of the country I hope and pray that conservative voters are smart enough to see this clearly and reject both McCain & Romney because neither of them represent the values and the concerns of true conservatives regardless of which leg of the stool you happen to favor.

http://www.trueromney.com/
Tracy writes: Monday, February, 04, 2008 1:58 PM
HNAV has it JUST RIGHT
HNAV YOU ROCK!!!!!!! Liberal spammers are sucking eggs today because ROMNEY IS GOING TO WIN in spite of the fracking Liberal media trying to get us thinking that McSmarmyCain is leading. Get this liberal fracking spammers:

ROMNEY WILL WIN.

Dumb dolts........
Virginia Patriot writes: Monday, February, 04, 2008 1:00 PM
Does The GOP Want To Win?

Securing the border and enforcing the law is the only way we get to keep our rule of law, our representative Republic, and our Constitution. We must elect a President who WILL secure the border and enforce the law. If citizenship becomes meaningless, this will no longer be the United States of America.

McAmnesty will not get out the voters necessary for a GOP win. Increasing turnout is the key. Give people something to vote for. Not just the lesser of two evils. Won't work this time. People are fed up with the inundation of illegal aliens. They would come out in droves for the clear choice of D=amnesty or R=enforcement. They will stay home if they both equal amnesty.

There is a huge majority of American citizens waiting for someone to pledge to uphold the laws and secure the borders, let's not ignore them any more.
Virginia Patriot writes: Monday, February, 04, 2008 12:58 PM
KGK
Not Amnesty John, that's for sure. He will destroy the GOP. He'd be lucky to finish third. I don't think we have to worry about that.
The Clintons will destroy Obama rather than let him have the nomination.
KGK writes: Monday, February, 04, 2008 12:49 PM
And who will defeat Obama?
Well, here we are still complaining about the GOP's choices and either making Mitt or John the real Savior. These two are very flawed but Mitt is more the choice of conservatives yet, the Politico has McCain as the choice of values voters! How can this be? Still, no matter who gets the nomination, will that person beat a failing Clinton, if she holds on and destroys Barak, or will that person beat the now nearly certain candidate, Obama? The new Huey Long of the Dem Party. Who will win the South for the Pubs? Who could even win one Blue state? Obama will win some Red States. I have posted for months that Obama is our biggest threat and all have just ignored that. Well, the Obamas have come home to roost. Now who can beat this guy? This pacifist socialist who no one dares to criticize because it is not politically correct!
FromTheTop1 writes: Monday, February, 04, 2008 11:48 AM
McCain After The Hanoi Hilton
A Mormon as POTUS would be a blessing for our country and the FREE world! Mitt Romney is a strong conservative and he will bring the Republican Party back to "We The People...".
McCain/Hernandez are "my friend" buddies. Will he be the next DHS?
http://www.diggersrealm.com/mt/archives/002666.html

Mitt Romney's closed down Bain Capital and asked his 30 partners and employees to help him search for the 14 year old daughter of one of his partners who had been missing in New York for three days in July 1996. He told the girl's father, Robert Gay, "I don't care how long it takes; we're going to find her." They found the girl who had gone to a rave party. She was close to death from an overdose of ecstasy when they found her.

When Mitt Romney is selected as our nominee for POTUS and elected as POTUS he will bring to Washington, D.C. a group of likeminded people with honesty, integrity and dedication to serve as his Cabinet Secretaries and Staff who will cleanup Washington, D.C. from top to bottom and inside out.

McCain's Political Journey After the Hanoi Hilton.
http://www.usvetdsp.com/mcaindiv.htm

This is why some Republicans and Democrats continue sniping and lying about Mitt Romney, because they know their useless , duplicative bureaus are filled with generations, via nepotism, of Socialist Marxists bureaucrats who undermine all Republican Administrations with well timed leaks to further their ideology of Socialism.

The Clinton Chronicles.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-647045089516425508 9
itsjustme writes: Monday, February, 04, 2008 10:31 AM
Payola
Richard_223 and Joe are on the Juan McLame payroll. They must get paid by the post. The more ridiculous, the better the pay. Copy and paste is a bonus. lol
sugar writes: Monday, February, 04, 2008 10:31 AM
Romney's doom sealed by hatred of Huck
Conservatives rejected Huck because he speaks the language of the left. Accusing this administration of hubris and bunker mentality, sounds like just another Democrat. By staying in now he's telling some of us that he has no problem with McCain. Huck is the big pro-lifer right? I'm sure Huck's aware that McCain-Feingold was used to suppress Wisconsin Right to Life's attempt to impact an election with advertising. If Huck is attracting social conservatives, I'm mytified as to why. If Romney is doomed because conservatives rejected Huck, then it was meant to be because Huck had to be rejected. Huck is our undoing, maybe this is our due. The culture rot will continue and accelerate after this election, because a Christian minister facilitated it. Huck is Jonah, only this time Nineveh will be leveled.
AnimalFarm1984 writes: Monday, February, 04, 2008 10:25 AM
Everyone is to Blame but Romney
You just don't get it. You blame everyone except the one guy responsible for loosing and that is Romney himself. After going after and attacking Huckabee with bogus charges and bigotted smears about his followers basically being dumb Christians hicks, you now think the strategy was flawed because the real tarket of the slurs should have been McCain? You Romney supporters truly don't have a clue.

Shouting lies and smears about other candidates will only get you so far even with millions of Mitt dollars and all of talk-radio behind you. Romney has not made a case for who he is because he changes with the blowing wind to cover up the demonstrable fact that he has taken the most liberal of positions as governor of MA. The problem with Romney is Romney. Only a blind Romney kool-aid drinker would fail to see this.

True conservatives who rank social issues higher have rallied aournd Huckabee and they will never go for Romney. If Huckabee drops out they will go for McCain because he is the second best choice for their issues. Romney is the biggest fraud in the GOP race and beats most of the Democratics on this count as well. If by some miracle he wins the nomination, he will get creamed in the genearl election.
Jacob the Syrian Hamster writes: Monday, February, 04, 2008 10:25 AM
richard_223
"The role of talk radio revealed, to 'take out' candidates by doing hit jobs on them. The new conservatism, which has people turning from the hate and anger of it all."

Outstanding analysis. Talk radio = Kos Kids.
richard_223 writes: Monday, February, 04, 2008 10:22 AM
Why John is Winning
By: Jonathan Martin Politico
NASHVILLE – Conservative unease with John McCain and the Arizona senator’s inability to win support from his party’s right wing has been much discussed and analyzed.

But there is another emerging fault line in the GOP race that may better explain better why, despite his checkered past with the party base, McCain has won consecutive contests and could wrap up the nomination Tuesday.

Put simply, McCain is winning the character contest.

In exit polls and interviews with McCain supporters, the former naval aviator and Vietnam POW has emerged as the candidate of choice for voters who make their decision based more on intangible personal attributes than on issues.

In every state since New Hampshire where exit polls have asked voters what was more important, a candidate’s position on the issues or a candidate’s leadership and personal qualities, McCain has won among those who said that character mattered more than policy stances.
Like the man, they are pre-baby boomer Americans who, because of their generation, are right of center politically and culturally. But they are driven more by timeless principles of sacrifice and integrity than they are by hot-button social issues.

For these voters – and at times, it would seem, for the candidate himself - issues are almost beside the point when compared to the importance that personal qualities play in molding a potentially great president.

It’s duty, honor, and country, stupid.
richard_223 writes: Monday, February, 04, 2008 10:12 AM
Talk Radio Mafia
Patrick wrote:
'At the time, most of the ’sphere remained obsessed with taking out the niche candidacy of Mike Huckabee.'

The role of talk radio revealed, to 'take out' candidates by doing hit jobs on them. The new conservatism, which has people turning from the hate and anger of it all.
richard_223 writes: Monday, February, 04, 2008 10:09 AM
Amnesty for Talk Radio
Talk radio has narrowed the definition of conservatism so much it no longer has broad appeal to the electorate. A regular person tuning into talk radio will wonder what these broadcasters are yelling, screaming and accusing each other about. They will think these talkers have gone crazy, tune out and go to the other party.

Not a formula for a broad based, winning coalition, but big step toward marginalizing what is left of the conservative brand.
Jacob the Syrian Hamster writes: Monday, February, 04, 2008 10:06 AM
No more RINOs! More money for all!
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120213421088140683.html?mod =hpp_us_whats_news

The federal budget deficit will soar to near-record levels in fiscal 2008 and 2009, the Bush administration said Monday in its $3.1 trillion budget request, a surge in red ink attributable to cooling corporate tax receipts and the cost of a short-term economic stimulus package.

The White House expects the deficit to reach $410 billion in the current fiscal year, just short of the record set four years ago. In fiscal 2009, which begins in October, the budget gap is seen at $407 billion.

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If only Romney was president now! His stimulus package and tax cuts are even bigger than Bush's and then the deficit would be...would be...errr, MUCH LARGER!
Jacob the Syrian Hamster writes: Monday, February, 04, 2008 9:56 AM
Romneycare Crashes and Burns
http://www.bizzyblog.com/2008/02/04/the-romneycare-crackup- continues-and-is-becoming-a-chasm/

The Left has to be relishing this. Talk Radio spent day after day after day (justifiably) ripping HillaryCare in 1993 and 1994 (addendum: and danced on HillaryCare’s grave for the next dozen years after that). Now its Chosen “Conservative” is the guy who established HillaryCare in Massachusetts, created a miserable failure, and is now pretending it’s not his fault.

===========

Welcome to the world of Gordon Gecko Romney.
inchdeep writes: Monday, February, 04, 2008 9:55 AM
To late for Romney?
That means it's to late for Republicans,real ones, and probably America.
Virginia Patriot writes: Monday, February, 04, 2008 9:52 AM
GOP-RIP?

The Stupid Party

The RNC wants an amnesty candidate.

Don't vote for one.

Another amnesty will result in Democrat majorities for decades, or until they are supplanted by the La Raza Party, why doesn't the RNC know that? How stupid do you have to be to import voters for the opposition at the same time you alienate your own voters? Nominating any of the amnesty supporters is a losing proposition, we will not support them. If the GOP intends to surrender our sovereignty and abandon the rule of law, they will find in November 2008, that they still have their big money/cheap labor donors, but they do not have voters. GOP-RIP
Joe writes: Monday, February, 04, 2008 9:35 AM
McCain has to win! Or lose the Court
We make no apology for suggesting that electability must be a prime consideration. The expected value of any presidential candidate for the future of the American judiciary must be discounted by the probability that the candidate will not prevail in the election. For other kinds of issues, it may be argued that it is better to lose with the perfect candidate than to win with an imperfect one. The party lives to fight another day and can reverse the bad policies of an intervening presidency.

The judiciary is different. On Jan. 20, 2009, six of the nine Supreme Court justices will be over 70. Most of them could be replaced by the next president, particularly if he or she is re-elected. Given the prospect of accelerating gains in modern medical technology, some of the new justices may serve for half a century. Even if a more perfect candidate were somehow elected in 2012, he would not be able to undo the damage, especially to the Supreme Court.

Accordingly, for judicial conservatives electability must be a paramount consideration. By all accounts, Mr. McCain is more electable than Mr. Romney. He runs ahead or even with Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama in the national polls, and actually leads the Democratic candidates in key swing states like Wisconsin. Mr. Romney trails well behind both Democratic candidates by double digits. The fundamental dynamic of this race points in Mr. McCain's way as well. He appeals to independents, while Mr. Romney's support is largely confined to Republicans.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120209536777639949.html?mod =opinion_main_commentaries
Hal writes: Monday, February, 04, 2008 8:58 AM
Vote: Romney!
McCain is unacceptable. Period. End of story. There's still time California and America. Vote: Mitt Romney!

DRUDGE REPORT:

**POLL: Romney leads McCain by 37-34 in CA...

RASMUSSEN POLL:

CA: Obama 45% Clinton 44%
McCain 38% Romney 38%

GA: McCain 31% Romney 29% Huck 28%
Obama 52% Clinton 37%

***Insider's Tip: Rush Limbaugh to endorse Romney on Monday's show after weekend talks!
Lynn40 writes: Monday, February, 04, 2008 8:07 AM
KathyAnn--Have you read these blogs?
"Huckabee is the only remaining candidate who could get that much support from conservatives."

Where do you get this idea? Many conservatives view Huckabee as liberal because of the following:

1) Tuition breaks for illegals
2) Federal smoking ban
3) Raised taxes in Ark (Oh, but he was ordered by the court to do so, right?--NOT)

Also, many conservatives find him untrustworthy because of the following:

1) He has yet to criticize the FRONTRUNNER in this campaign. Instead, he's focusing on Romney. Don't you wonder why that is?

2) He has no statistical chance of winning at this point, but he's staying in anyway. Why?

The only thing I can say about Huckabee is that I dislike him less than McCain. However, he's a liberal in many ways.
Virginia Patriot writes: Monday, February, 04, 2008 8:06 AM
JOHN MCCAIN NEEDS A HEARING AID

When I heard McCain's Hispanic Outreach guy was none other than Smiling Juan Hernandez, I knew John McCain has heard nothing we have had to say.


Smiling Juan Hernadez
We know who he is, we know his loyalties are to Mexico, we know he wants to erase our borders and immigration laws.

JOHN MCCAIN, YOU NEED A NEW HEARING AID

Smiling Juan Hernandez
In case you don't know him, he used to work for the Mexican govt., lately he has been shilling for "rights" for illegal aliens in this country. He has said he wants Mexicans to remain Mexicans even if they are living here. His loyalties are to Mexico, not U.S.



Questions for illegal alien apologists like John McCain:

Why does The National Council of the Race (la raza in spanish) and the Chamber of Commerce get to negotiate a "Comprehensive Shafting of The American Citizens" behind closed doors? Since when does an organization representing foreign nationals breaking our laws get to rewrite our immigration laws to suit the lawbreakers? Isn't this akin to allowing NAMBLA to rewrite our laws regarding child predators? Or allowing organized crime syndicates to rewrite racketeering, gambling, prostitution, and extortion laws?

We The People are being told by our representatives that we should sit down and shut up while they invite in the entire world. We The People should get some say in this matter. Another amnesty will set off a stampede like we have never seen before. There is not much time to save our country. All the money and power are on the side of shoving this amnesty down our throats. The RNC wants an amnesty candidate, don't vote for one.
Dave writes: Monday, February, 04, 2008 6:42 AM
McCain has it right
The transcending issue of the day, beside which all others pale, is whether Western civilization will stand up to Islamofascism or not. McCain is right on this issue, and even if I disagree with him on a few others, I don't have the luxury of whining about it.

And of course he has the better chance to win in the general election. For every conservative who stays home in November (most are intelligent people, however, who know what a disaster a Hillary or Obama administration would be), McCain can win several independents who would never consider Romney. McCain is also a proven leader for the pro-life cause and one of the very few Republicans who didn't participate in the spending orgy (and tried to stop it) that characterized the late Republican Congresssional majority. Nobody is perfect, but I am one conservative with no qualms about backing McCain all the way.
Crispian writes: Monday, February, 04, 2008 5:48 AM
The Real Problem
Patrick, I find your analysis thoughtful but I also see a fundamental flaw.

Those who insist that they are the true conservatives do not represent the Republican party as it has been known for at least the last decade. G.W. Bush cobbled together a coalition of evangelical "value voters" and wealthier capitalists. The party faithful filled the gaps.

Values voters are not the focus of this election. And when the economy is facing challenges, there is greater concern for the middle and lower classes, not necessarily for the interests of corporate leaders.

The truth is the conservative opinion leaders in the media like Limbaugh, Hannity, Hewitt, etc have always been on an island of their own. They have not represented the bulk of the party. They have accepted an illusion that they can determine the fate of a party when they just got lucky when a variety of different interests coincided.

This election is different. No cohesive coalition exists. The "true conservatives" are afraid to face the realization I have outlined and are clinging to Romney like a lifeboat so they can fool themselves just a little longer.
KathyAnn writes: Monday, February, 04, 2008 3:32 AM
Intelligent - only Huck could win
This is the best analysis that I have read. Without the support of 95% of conservatives, a Republican can not be elected. That means that neither Romney or McCain could win in the general election. Huckabee is the only remaining candidate who could get that much support from conservatives.

McCain won't gain conservative support even if he picks Huck as VP.

A vote for McCain or Romney is a vote for a Democrat (literally).
Dan writes: Monday, February, 04, 2008 3:30 AM
No Amnesty
Means no McCain. Romney has momentum in California. New polls show an 8 point lead. To bad for McCain that independents and illegals can't vote in California.
laborlawyer writes: Monday, February, 04, 2008 2:59 AM
the term "conservative"
My sentence above should have read that the term "conservative" is as toxic in 2008 as the term "liberal" was in 1972. Not conservatism, a vital American movement and worldview; just "conservative", Coulter-Levin-Hannity style.
laborlawyer writes: Monday, February, 04, 2008 2:51 AM
Nice job Patrick
You've really had two very thoughtful pieces this weekend. As a lifelong, Lieberman-ish liberal (though I disagree with him on Iraq), the term "liberal" circa 2008 is becoming about as toxic to you as the term "liberal" was to us circa 1972, and for a lot of the same reasons. The excellent Joyner piece you linked put it this way:

"The Conservative Movement has morphed from a handful of intellectual true believers trying to shape the debate into something approaching a civil religion with loyalty tests and a clericy that has the power to excommunicate.

John McCain was part of the 1980 wave that rolled into Congress on Ronald Reagan’s coattails. Indeed, McCain was among those Reagan was honored to stand with at 1974’s CPAC convention. But someone with an 82 percent lifetime ACU rating is considered a traitor to the cause. Much better, apparently, to flip 180 degrees on election eve and spout the right Party Line talking points.

As I wrote last year from CPAC, when throngs of so-called conservatives lined up for Ann Coulter’s autograph moments after she referred to John Edwards as a “faggot,” “Somehow, I can’t imagine Ronald Reagan being pleased.” Yet, the modern Conservative Moment seems to be dominated by the shrill nonsense of Coulter and Jonah Goldberg and Michael Savage and Neil Boortz. In short, the Conservative Movement is no longer particularly “conservative” at all."

Wu Wei writes: Monday, February, 04, 2008 2:49 AM
Romney has momentum and California
Romney, a former Massachusetts governor, led McCain 40 percent to 32 percent in California, where the margin of error was 3.3 percentage points. A win in California, the most populous state, could help puncture McCain's growing momentum in the Republican nomination fight.

http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSN034586612008020 4

"Romney is widening his lead in California and has a really big advantage with conservatives," Zogby said. "Romney winning California would give some Republicans pause when they look at McCain as the potential nominee."
Skeptic of Jingoism writes: Monday, February, 04, 2008 2:42 AM
Romney the Pander Bear
Also, regarding Willard promising $20 billion (that's BILLION with a B) to the auto industry in order to buy votes in Michigan - really, Romney supporters, does that kind of pandering not make you ill? It's that kind of transparent cynicism that makes Romney completely unelectable. He's really disgusting, with his finger-to-the-wind approach. McCain has his flaws - hell, he's mostly flaws - but how can you not kinda like a guy who's willing to take a position or two that's unpopular with his own base? He's got cajones.
jea writes: Monday, February, 04, 2008 2:26 AM
Wow, Romney up by 8 in California
Wow - that new poll released early Monday morning has Romney upby 8 California. Thanks for the link, Lmiller

http://www.reuters.com/news/globalcoverage/2008candidates


Insterestingly, RealClearPolitics doesn't list it yet, but it may tip their averages scale from McCain to Romney for the California headline.

sluggo writes: Monday, February, 04, 2008 2:21 AM
Joe
Gets paid by the post.
stacatto writes: Monday, February, 04, 2008 2:21 AM
Blah Blah Blah
Another squish heard from. If Mccain is a shoe in why the Romney talk. Who cares about a Romney Huck rift.It's all jive. If the right is no more why worry about them. While the gasbags continue to navel gaze , Obama is putting an army in place. I kid you not . While the party geezers continue their old think , they remain unaware of what is waiting for them. Republicans ---Onward Into The Past . 23 skiddoo....
jea writes: Monday, February, 04, 2008 2:16 AM
Reggie, re: the biggest flipper-Suprise
http://newsmax.com/kessler/McCain_media_creation/2008/02/03 /69766.html

You'll be surprised...it's McFlip!!!
Pricehick writes: Monday, February, 04, 2008 2:14 AM
The Romney Rally
McCain hasn't even surpassed 40 percent support in any state--even the ones with a huge number of independents voting. Romney, by contrast, hit over 50% in Maine and Nevada and received 45% in Michigan.

McCain can't hit 50% because he doesn't generate any enthusiasm. That's what consistently throwing your party under the bus for the adoration of the press can do for you. IT LOOKS LIKE MCCAIN WON'T EVEN TAKE 50% OF HIS HOME STATE OF ARIZONA.

Romney still isn't as well-known as McCain, but those who have seen his record (and not the superficial flip-flop analysis), know the innovation he's brought when he turned around a failed olympics and balanced the budget in the debt-ridden Massachusettes. That's why they'll work for him in the general election...fat chance we'll see the "Independents" in New Hampshire pounding the sidewalks for the Republican cause come Novemeber. Washington needs new ideas, not just more McCain "Stands."
Joe writes: Monday, February, 04, 2008 2:13 AM
McCain is like Eli Manning/Giants
Romney is like the Browns.
CDubber writes: Monday, February, 04, 2008 2:06 AM
Time for another Monday Surprise
With Romney surging, look for McCain to pull out another trick from his Clinton playbook.

The 11th hour lie about Romney's position on Iraq worked like a charm in Florida for Pickled McCain. Watch for John to try another stunt like this for Super Tuesday. Or perhaps he'll use his "tool" of choice - Mike Huckabee - to do his dirty work for him ("Hey, don't Mormons believe...?").

Will conservatives be dumb enough to buy John's damaged goods again?
David writes: Monday, February, 04, 2008 2:04 AM
McShamensty Was a Bigger Threat
1) You are right on. Huckabee never had a chance to win the nomination. Never.

But McCain has a chance. And we should have exposed his pseudo-conservative credentials, as the NY Times endorsed, liberal media frenzied, danger to the conservative movement.

2) You are right on again. If a single conservative stays at home, McKennedy, aka McLiar, aka McFeingold, aka McLiebarman, aka McShAmnesty, aka McACLU, aka __________________ (you fill the blank) will not win.

It took 1,400,000 volunteers (that's 1.4 million) to re-elect President George W. Bush in 2004. They were enthusiastic about President Bush. They walked the precincts, they made phone calls, made small and large donations, wrote letters, knocked on the doors, persuaded their neighbors, drove their friends and family to the polls. With McLiar you will have 50,000 volunteers, ahh well, 72,722 (that's his old, tired age).

What shocks me is that the Republican establishment and the governors and senators who endorse McKennedy does not understand this fundamental reality. That's tragic.

3) We have a chance to regain the party from Mc_______ and win in November. If not, then McLiar is our nominee and say good-bye to the White House in 08.

Qweenmumof7 writes: Monday, February, 04, 2008 2:03 AM
I don't like huck.
He seems... slimy. Underhanded. He reminds me of the guy on 24 a few seasons back - you know, the creepy presient?

Huckabee was a keynote speaker at a SBC anti-mormon convention held in SLC in 1998. Now, he either lied about not knowing anything about mormons, or gave a speech on something he knew nothing about. Either way, it tells me I cannot and will not trust him.

Gooooooo Mittttt!!!!!!!!
Reggie1971 writes: Monday, February, 04, 2008 2:03 AM
Impressive?
"Liberal Spammers arrive to demean the impressive MR. Romney ?"

I hope you are being sarcastic, if you are, please disregard the following:

What the hell is so impressive about a man who flip flops on virtually every issue, saying anything that he thinks is politically advantageous at the time. What is impressive about a man who once said when asked about his lack of service in Viet Nam that he had no desire to go, but now has the audacity to say he would have liked to have gone?
polderboy writes: Monday, February, 04, 2008 1:57 AM
Heartland
Remember all the talk about the "Heartland"?

Pundits like Huck and Rush and Sean and Glen and Laura who all claimed to be the ‘voice of the Heartland’?
And now they have set all their hopes on votes from California and Maine and Massachutes.

How hilarious.
sluggo writes: Monday, February, 04, 2008 1:52 AM
The Mitt surge
Romney is ahead in California.
slate writes: Monday, February, 04, 2008 1:52 AM
Ruffini vs. Sabato
Patrick Ruffini is about the only conservative pundit worth reading any more. He is fair towards all the Republican candidates including my choice (Huckabee).You can tell that he has done a lot of research to make his points. In the end, he is right. Maybe he should be put in the same league as Larry Sabato. Keep up the good work.
Harry Oz writes: Monday, February, 04, 2008 1:49 AM
Huckabee has never been running for Pres
Huckabee has always been a spoiler to take out Romney.

Hannity and other conservatives loved Huckabee from the start because they supported Rudy.

Night after night, Hannity made excuses for Rudy's liberalism.

They wanted Huckabee to take out Romney in Iowa to help Rudy. So it was all Huckabee all the time.

Hannity and others also didn't mind McCain winning NH.

They though this wouls muddy the waters until Florida.

When Rudy fell flat, they panicked because of McCain. They are now hoping on the Romney bandwagon.

They should have been supporting Romney when National Review endorsed him.

They allowed the bigot Huckabee to use religion as a wedge because they thought it helped there cause.
HNAV writes: Monday, February, 04, 2008 1:46 AM
LOL !
Liberal Spammers arrive to demean the impressive MR. Romney ?

On EVERY post !

Liberals must really fear the fine Conservative...

And UPSETS are always possible.

The establishment prefers the Keating 5 Corrupt Past of a tired Senator, who is smearing others with lies...

Senator McCain looks far too much like Hillary Clinton, with vivid dishonesty...

John McCain will lose in the General, perhaps this is why so many liberals want him to win the Nomination.

He is tired, bitter, opposes tax cuts, and lies...

Not impressive at all.
Craig writes: Monday, February, 04, 2008 1:44 AM
Ruffini
I think that Patrick is overanalyzing a bit. I think that Huck was definately thought of as a threat, and support for McCain was still very uncertain. It was condusing ground.

I think the mistake was not going after Huck so much, but that Romney went on the attack without establishing himself as a candidate first. Hard as it is to believe but most voters tuned out the talk till the last minute. Especially in New Hampshire, I think Romney cavalcaded with negativitity and just got a backlash, not so much support for McCain. Romney righted the ship somewhat in Michigan but the damage was already done. He was pegged as a flip flopper, before he established an identity.

The unfortunate thing was the economy became the big issue at the time Romney couldn't pivot in time though, especially after McCain got the momentum

The moral is. Cut down on the strategizing and focus on how to sell yourself first.
Joe writes: Monday, February, 04, 2008 1:24 AM
Romney loses a vote
Boasting in Boston [Michael Graham]



I am so confident of both a Patriots win today and a Romney win in Massachusetts on Tuesday that I made this pledge on the air Friday: "If the NY Giants beat the Patriots in the Super Bowl, I will vote cast my Super Duper Tuesday primary vote for (shudder) John McCain."

So when I say "Go, Pats!" I really, REALLY mean it.


I also think they are even more of a lead-pipe cinch to win the Super Bowl than McCain is to win the GOP nomination. Either way, I'm putting my money..er vote where my mouth is.

02/03 05:45 PM

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=Yzg5ODM3NmMxMDdiMz Y3NDEwNzhjYTZhMjhiOTE1M2E=

Michael you are on your honor to do this. GO MCCAIN!!!

Patriotic Liberal writes: Monday, February, 04, 2008 1:17 AM
quite right, Patrick
The treatment of Huck after IA was ham-handed and stupid. He ain't shedding any tears for Mitt, that's for sure. And when Mitt, Hugh, and others call for him to exit the race, why wouldn't Huck just say: "Who me? What difference does it make? You said I'm not a conservative, so why would Mitt get my votes?!"
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