Friday, December 07, 2007
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ROMNEY'S HOME RUN
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Posted by:
Michael Medved at
1:58 AM
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In his big speech on religion and politics, Mitt Romney sought to achieve two blatantly contradictory goals.
First, as a member of a minority faith that’s viewed skeptically by many Americans, he needed to persuade people that his religion shouldn’t matter in a political context.
Second, as a conservative and a candidate for the GOP nomination, he needed to identify with the Republican majority that believes religion in general should matter a lot – and should play a role in informing governmental and political decisions.
How, then, could he simultaneously argue that faith must be an important factor in politics, but that his faith should count for nothing in evaluating his candidacy?
To an amazing extent, Romney’s speech earlier today succeeded brilliantly in satisfying both goals. The key to that notable and perhaps historic success involved the candidate’s eloquent ability to insist on the proper distinction between religious values (which nearly all Americans share), and specific doctrines and traditions (on which we differ dramatically).
The former Massachusetts governor drew this distinction with the most memorable rhetoric of the Presidential campaign so far.
He satisfied his first goal – arguing that his Mormon faith shouldn’t disqualify him – and he did so while affirming his personal loyalty and devotion. While acknowledging that there are some who “would prefer it if I would simply distance myself from my religion…or disavow one or another of its precepts,” he stoutly and emphatically refused to bend. “That I will not do,” he declared. “I believe in my Mormon faith and I endeavor to live by it. My faith is the faith of my fathers – I will be true to them and to my beliefs. Some believe that such a confession of my faith will sink my candidacy. If they are right, so be it.”
This is, frankly, precisely the sort of clarity and courage Americans expect of a presidential candidate. Romney would have already locked up the GOP nomination had he applied the same consistency and precision in facing other issues.
Meanwhile, in today’s Texas speech he also refused to try to defend the history or theology of his church from its sometimes virulent critics. “There are some who would have a presidential candidate describe and explain his church’s distinctive doctrines,” he said. “To do so would enable the very religious test the founders prohibited in the Constitution. No candidate should become the spokesman for his faith. For if he becomes President he will need the prayers of the people of all faiths.”
In other words, he expressed the same refusal to discuss dogma as has his rival Mike Huckabee. When the former Arkansas governor is asked his opinion about whether Mormons are Christians, for instance, he doesn’t “waffle” or “dodge,” but appropriately points out that such questions might be appropriate for a potential president of a theological school, but not for a potential President of the United States. George W. Bush similarly avoided questions about whether he personally believed that Jews and other non-Christians would go to heaven, as did Joe Lieberman when he firmly closed the door on all inquiries on why he didn’t embrace Jesus as his Savior.
If Romney sounded persuasive about the inappropriate nature of theological discussions in a political campaign, how then could he simultaneously make the case -- as he emphatically did – that religion should play a greater, not lesser role in our public life?
He did so by stressing the common beliefs of all major American faiths. “We should acknowledge the Creator as did the Founders- in ceremony and word,” he said. “He should remain on our currency, in our pledge, in the teaching of our history, and during the holiday season, nativity scenes and menorahs should be welcome in our public places…I will take care to separate the affairs of government from any religion, but I will not separate us from ‘the God who gave us liberty.’ Nor would I separate us from our religious heritage. Perhaps the most important question to ask a person of faith who seeks a political office, is this: does he share these American values: the equality of human kind, the obligation to serve one another, and a steadfast commitment to liberty. They are not unique to any one denomination. They belong to the great moral inheritance we hold in common. They are the firm ground on which Americans of different faiths meet and stand as a nation, united.”
Even the most embittered critic of the LDS church must read these words and agree with them – and grant that Romney and his rivals for the GOP nomination all share the values he describes. Would an outspoken atheist share the core religious values of the rest of the populace? Probably not, and that’s why judging a devout, church-going Mormon is different from evaluating, say, a Christopher Hitchens or a Richard Dawkins who is openly hostile to organized religion.
The key question that divides people of faith from militant secularists is the utility of religion for this society. Does America benefit – or suffer – from the tens of millions who regular attend church, synagogue, temple or mosque?
Romney aligns clearly with religious Christians and Jews in his affirmative view on the role of faith – and the desire to see not just his faith, but all faiths, vital and flourishing and nourishing the Republic.
In the most memorable words of a wonderful speech, Mitt Romney declared: “Freedom requires religion just as religion requires freedom…Freedom and religion endure together, or perish alone.”
I’ve been critical of the former Massachusetts governor in other contexts, but these words deserve to be remembered. It’s possible – desirable, even – that future school children will recall them for their power and elegance.
There’s still more than three weeks before the Iowa Caucuses and I still feel potent admiration and affection for Romney rivals Huckabee, McCain and Giuliani.
But in Mitt’s remarks today, he not only looked and sounded like a President – he actually looked and sounded like a great one. All Americans should feel encouraged and grateful.
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It seems Mitt is for religious liberty for him, but it's open season on atheists. He pandered and it didn't work. Evengelicals hate Mormonism. Mitt has no right to complain, either when people attack his religion since his vision of America has no place for non-believers. |
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Of all the hundreds of articles that have been written on the subject, not one has done much more than casually mention or discuss the "evangelical" distaste for Mormonism.
I'd love it if one of these reporters actually gets up from their computer and visits one of the thousands of baptist, pentacostal and other churches scattered across the country? I think it would be helpful to hear some reporting on the time and energy these preachers spend "innoculating" their flocks from the clean cut young men in white shirts and ties who will inevitably knock on their doors and offer them a free copy of the book of mormon?
It is sad that our national discourse in such a crucial election is being so heavily influenced by the after effects of a decades-long religious marketing competition between Mormons and those evangelicals who don't proselyte as aggressively.
Story after story points out the conflict between mormon theology and traditional evangelical interpretations of Christianity and then simply lists the same things that any simple google search will uncover.
While legitimate differences do exist between Mormonism and Evangelical Doctrines, those who really care can discuss them. In the meantime, there is too much misinformation and plain untruth about mormon doctrine spread by these churches anti-mormon marketing/protection efforts.
How about a story that looks at the source of why these differences are so important to so many otherwise good people who attend evangelical churches? How about a story that reports on how much time and money these churches and groups spend preaching against somebody else's religion? |
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The stereotypical view that YOU have of evangelical Christians is quite bizarre. Granted, there are nut-jobs in every group. And, "put down your 'saved by grace' googles" would be alittle difficult for a true believer in Christ, seeing that's how we recieve the gift of salvation. |
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Why does Mitt Romney need to answer the concerns of a deluded people. My personal belief and I am entitled if evangelicals think all mormons are going to hell is that evangelical christianity is a road block to a sincere belief in christ. Those nascar waving, abortion clinic bombing, speaking in tongues, confederate flag waving, hicks are the stereotypical image that the world has of a christian and a conservative. I thank God that I don't fit into that mold! I believe they will not only destroy Christianity but destroy the conservative party. EVANGELICALS UNITE PUT DOWN YOUR "SAVED BY GRACE" goggles and Vote for the best candidate! |
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here are excerpts: "I think Romney and his team overestimated the extent to which his Mormonism has been what is troubling his candidacy and underestimated the extent to which his credibility has been the real problem.
Despite outspending all the other candidates, the Romney candidacy hasn't ignited. ..... What dogs Romney is a sense that he is not being honest about who he is.
In an election such as this, where voters clearly are concerned about honesty and transparency, candidates who do not score well in these areas are paying a price. In Romney's case, that price reflects his credibility challenge in convincing religious conservatives that his changed positions on abortion and gays are for real.
It's not news that Romney ran two political campaigns, one for the Senate in 1994 and one for Massachusetts governor in 2002, in which he campaigned openly and clearly as pro-Roe v. Wade and pro-abortion rights. Suddenly, in 2004, as a result of some kind of epiphany tied to embryos and stem-cell research, he opposed abortion. Similarly regarding gay rights, Romney has a paper trail expressing support that strains the credibility of his current stance in support of traditional values and family.
Given persistent doubts about the sincerity of Romney's stands on these two issues, both of central concern to religious conservatives, it is astonishing that he would make a major speech about his views on religion and faith in America and not mention either."
for the entire article go to:
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59088
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that all of the dewey-eyed reverence for Romney's speech is a little bit odd -- the fact is, it failed. It was unsuccessful.
Wasn't the purpose of the address to raise his points and improve his chances in Iowa?
Republicans like Medved seem to like what feels good, not what actually works.
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Reckinhavic .. he told the Massachusetts voters he would not go against them on certain issues .. though with life issues for instance he still did well .. getting praise from prolife groups .. |
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Jews believe Heavenly Father is God. Christians believe Jesus is God. LDS believe both are God. Ever see the Cistene Chapel ? .. So did Michelangelo. |
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Maybe it's aloysiusmiller w/out the M. |
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If Romney were to do the things he says he'd do, then great. However, why should we believe he'll do things differently than he's actually done (as Governor)? |
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For those who don't get it it is Mormon without the second m |
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Mitt Romney avowed the faith that is taught to Mormons not that made up theology that anti-mormons ascribe so incorrectly to Mormons. We happen to believe in Rev. 21:7 and Rev 3:21 which most anti-Mormons seem to think is blasphemous.
Did you know that there is a shorthand for anti-Mormons? It is Mormon with only the first M. |
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Mike Huckabee claims to be the "Christian Candidate". If he were to become President he would immediately be perceived by the moderate and radical Muslims as a Crusader. Every thing that we would try to do to stop Muslim terrorism would back fire.
Just think about the recruiting and fund raising that Bin Laden could do if our President was the "Christian Candidate".
Huckabee has already destroyed any Middle Eastern foreign policy that he could develop by calling himself the "Christian Candidate". That may get you votes in IA but it is a disaster as a President who has to deal with a non Christian World and with a radical Muslim crisis.
Huck is clueless on economic and foreign policy. He will be worse than Jimmy Carter as President. |
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Even Martin Luther said he would rather be ruled by a wise pagan than a foolish Christian.
So far, we have had "evangelical" Presidents such as Jimmy Carter, Clinton (who was always going to black churches when the sh*t hit the fan) and G.W. Bush. Now, I like Bush, but even his most ardent admirers has to admit he has competence issues.
Romney is INCREDIBLY competent. He was fantastically successful as a businessman, he actually made the Olympics, normally a boondoggle, turn a profit, and he was a Republican governor in a very blue state. His competence would make him good for the entire country - pagans and Christians alike.
Plus, as an evangelical Christian myself, I think he would be good for people of faith. What Christians need to realize - when people of a minority faith are attacked, these same attacks may eventually be used by a media increasingly hostile to faith to attack Christians. The last thing we, as people of faith, need to do is attack another person of faith.
If Romney was a hypocrite - he said he was a religious person but was cheating on his wife or embezzling funds - I'd have much more of an issue with him. But the fact that he is showing loyalty to his faith and his family gives me hope he will also show loyalty to the American people as President.
Is Romney my first choice? No. My first choice is Duncan Hunter. But Romney is probably my second choice. And I will certainly vote for him against Hillary or Obama or Edwards. |
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Well you just lost Mitt a lot of votes with that last comment.
Americans do not want nor need another President like Clinton who thinks he can run the Global economy. Americans want a President who will work with US companies to create more US jobs. WE do not need job outsourcing experts like Globalist Mitt.
Americans need more manufacturing jobs not less. Each country should take care of it's own citizens.
Americans do not want One World Government. Remember Power Corrupts, but absolute power corrupts absolutely.
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I just realized that Huck has an undergraduate degree in religion and a divinity degree. He knows ZERO about economics and is clueless on running the Global economy and keeping our own economy strong.
Romney has a Harvard MBA/Law Degree and is a turn around specialist. He knows how to keep the economy strong.
Huck's only experience is pastor and governor of a small Southern State-like Jimmy Carter.
Having Huck as President makes about as much sense as having Billy Graham run the Federal Reserve. |
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Romney is the most qualified, competent, experienced candidate, either side.
He also cannot win.
The general election will be razor-thin, and if Romney is the nominee, too many evangelicals will refuse to vote for a Mormon. Dr. Dobson essentially just admitted that on Hewitt's show.
Enjoy your purity, folks. It will lose the election.
Mac the Blogger ColoradoMac.blogspot.com |
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If I don't believe in "god", does anything "god" writes in this blog have any relevance? |
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What a lovely thing it is to wish unnatural, premature death upon those who believe differently than you -- sorry; in proper atheistic terms, those who believe something that you do not believe.
Of course it could be worse. "god" could have asked Michael Medved to tell him (and his "whole family"!) who to vote for, in a choice between Alan Keyes (Oh my GOD!) and Mike Huckabee (whose name Mr. Lewis -- his supporter -- mangled).
Which is worse, an atheist telling you -- unsolicited -- what to believe, or a Christian imploring a voice on the radio to TELL him what to believe? |
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No Santa but me and the Easter Bunny are best friends.
In all reality when I have children they are not going to have Santa Claus taught to them. It's a waste of time and teaches them nothing. |
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Now for the New Testament;
Birth by a Virgin; the Wise Men Following a star to find a baby, Joseph and/or Mary have a vision of an Angel telling them to go to Egypt to escape Herrod, Feed a giant crowd with just a few loaves and fishes, Water into wine, Jesus walking on the water, Lazarus being raised from the dead three days later, Christ dying and then being raised from the dead three days later, Christ ascending into heaven, the speaking of tounges at Pentacost, John writing the entire book of Revelations because of a dream/vision
(I'm sorry I know there are more but as I said this is just off the top of my head)
The point is that as soon as you discount one miracle you discount all of them. I believe in more miracles, that miracles happen every day. Some are more dramatic and some are invisible to us. There are no limitations to my God. |
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"The guy sounds like he works for the ACLU. he envokes [sic] the Constitution only when it defends his current(he changes allot [sic]) postion [sic], every other time he care less what it says."
-- If nothing else (and there may be NOTHING else) the ACLU is consistent in their positions; for example, they are consistently against the death penalty while Mitt has consistently been in favor of it. Do you have any actual examples of Mitt disregarding the Constitution?
"Give a speech on illegal immagration [sic] and your commitment to end it. Give a speech how you want to give Americans back their liberties. But do not give a speach [sic] telling us your right to be a mormon [sic]."
-- Telling a fellow American what he should and should not talk about? Makes one wonder which liberties you want given back and which ones you can live without. |
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Thank you for your devotion to America. I tell the truth when I say that you are a household hero to me and my family. I support Mr. Keyes and Huckaby and am wondering which to vote for. Your suggestions would be nice. Please know that whatever answer you give will be kept a secret. I believe that Mr. Romney made a wise answer on religion. We are Christians and would have made the same answer (however we do believe that Mormonism is a cult). Thank you again for your contribution to America. My God bless you. ~John Lewis~
PS A reply to my email would be appreciated by my whole family. Thank you.
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Firstly,
Daniel the truth is that perception can become reality. So a candidate that people perceive to be presidential become presidential. Don't dismiss something so obvious just because you don't like it.
Secondly,
About Miracles: (forgive me if I miss a few I'm doing this from memory)... OT. Burning bush, Plagues against the Egyptians, Elisha ascending into heaven on a fiery chariot, Elija starting a fire on mount Carmel, looking upon a serpent to be healed, the hand of God writing upon a wall "Mene Mene Tekel Uppharisin" (sp?) Which Daniel translated to mean "you have been weighed and measured and been found wanting", Daniel in the lions den, The Sun stopping in the middle of the day.
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"[I]n Mitt’s remarks today, he not only looked and sounded like a President – he actually looked and sounded like a great one."
How sad, Mr. Medved. What truly empty commentary. In other words, "Gee, isn't it great that he LOOKS and SOUNDS presidential; never mind WHAT he actually says and WHETHER he actually believes it. Never mind whether the man has a BACKBONE."
DID WE LEARN NOTHING FROM BILL CLINTON? |
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yeah as if Christianity has not experienced perssecution in it's History...it is expreiencing on this blog far more than most beliefs..
the real issue people have are the claims of Jesus-He made himself EQUAL with GOD- his disciples WORSHIPPED AS SUCH...the RELIGIOUS PEOPLE had the Romans kill him for his claims of deity.
CS LEWIS said it best: The Claims of Jesus leave you with only 3 options- either He was a liar, a lunatic or LORD. God's us choose...
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I am game- what bizarre beliefs are you referring to in regards to evangelicalsm.
Take your best shot I am all ears..i mean if you are serious? |
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This was Overall an Excellent speech. Someone eventually had to make a speech like this especially calling out Secularism as the new "religion" For this I admire and salute Mr. Romney!
However, It sickens me when ALL ALONG the media has been badgering Huckabee making reference to his experience as a Pastor INSTEAD of 10 1/2 years as a Governor.
When Huckabee has the gall to short circuit all the questions by acknowledging himself to be a "Christian Leader"/ much akin to Romney's speech...instead of letting the under the radar mumblings and mischaracterization go unchecked- they hit it straight on..."this is who we are". The only difference is Huckabee acknowledged this form the beginning and Romney waited until his poll numbers dropped ..he should have addressed it a long time ago. But whatever, I like either one of them MUCH more than ANY of the others. We need someone with strong moral convictions to address the moral deacdence that is spreading on the underbelly of this society.
"The purpose of government is to curb public vice and to promote public virtue"- Thomas Paine
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Evangelical Christians have done nothing to dispel the world's concern regarding the bizarre beliefs of evangelical Christians, no less bizarre than the beliefs of Mormons. |
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As an traditional Christian, I likely have all the same issues with Mormanism. I dont believe any of it really. But as for seeing it as a fairy tale, you must admit that many would say the same thing about Christianity. "A dead guy rose to life? Come on!
Here is my point: if a man is intelligent and holds the constitution in high regard, his personal religion is none of my business. Not unless I suspect that he plans to make his religion institutionalized doctrine. I have no fears Mitt intends to do so. |
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By the way, I am nonreligious and one reason I like Romney is that I believe he has a deeper appreciation for the importants of religious freedom because of his being a member of a religion that has experienced persecution in its history.
On the other hand, you could be like Crackpot Harry and go for Huckster, a guy who believes that if you're not a Socialist you're not a good Christian. |
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The fact that nutcases like Crackpot Harry oppose Romney speaks very well for Romney. |
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Base on past actions I currently am rooting for Duncan Hunter. However anyone that listened to Romney's speech and didnt rate the speech good to outstanding is listening through a bigoted pair of ears. You can talk about cults all you want. He dosent believe exactly what I believe so he's no good blah blah blah. Romney's statements are exactly the right statements I would hope any President would make. OH but he's a Mormon you say, so what. When you go to the polls next year you can vote for a person that believes in God or you can vote for one that believes in Karl Marx. |
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Why is everyone bagging on Hugh in this stream. This was written by MICHAEL MEDVED!
Are you spammers getting this lazy as to not check who's writing? I know Hugh's a staunch Mitt fan . . . but after that speech you're going to have a lot more like him to deal with.
This speech was a deal sealer in many minds.
How can this man not become our President. He looked and seems born for such leadership.
Watch the speech here:
http://iowansforromney.blogspot.com/2007/12/speech.html
There has been no more presidential moment in this race thusfar. |
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he hit was off a teeball stand in a sand box. |
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try as you may Hugh, but you should never have wrote a book about him. The guy sounds like he works for the ACLU. he envokes the Constitution only when it defends his current(he changes allot) postion, every other time he care less what it says.
Give a speech on illegal immagration and your commitment to end it. Give a speech how you want to give Americans back their liberties. But do not give a speach telling us your right to be a mormon. |
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Huckabee has said "I don't care if you are an atheist, as long as you are true to who you are...and not trying to be who you are not..I am who I am"...Is mitt trying to be an evangelical just to win votes? Atheists will be offended and literate evangelicals who know that mormons also believe the devil is the son of god will remain unconvinced. |
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I am so tired of hearing the "I'd never vote for a Mormon" rhetoric. If you are a Christian, and the candidates were Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton and Mitt Romney, who would you vote for? I focus on the fact that we have a secular government that was built on Christian principles. I want someone in office that will uphold the Constitution, promote family values, and have the courage to defend this country if necessary with the mighty arm of our military. Someone that will secure our borders, someone that remembers our Constitution was written in English, and someone that's not afraid to say 'get out' if you don't want to assimilate. |
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Mormons consider the Constitution to be "inspired" that means that is essentially uncanonized scripture.
The following are Canonized Mormon scriptures concerning the Constitution.
1. D&C 98: 5-6 5 And that law of the land which is constitutional, supporting that principle of freedom in maintaining rights and privileges, belongs to all mankind, and is justifiable before me.
6 Therefore, I, the Lord, justify you, and your brethren of my church, in befriending that law which is the constitutional law of the land; 2. D&C 101: 77, 80 77 According to the laws and constitution of the people, which I have suffered to be established, and should be maintained for the rights and protection of all flesh, according to just and holy principles; • • • 80 And for this purpose have I established the Constitution of this land, by the hands of wise men whom I raised up unto this very purpose, and redeemed the land by the shedding of blood.
3.D&C 109: 54 54 Have mercy, O Lord, upon all the nations of the earth; have mercy upon the rulers of our land; may those principles, which were so honorably and nobly defended, namely, the Constitution of our land, by our fathers, be established forever.
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A Spicy comment: You handled this very well, but it appears that not everyone agrees.
Could that be that their liberal mind is just as disappointed that Mitt hit the home run, as they are with success in Iraq. I wish they could have something to make them rejoice.
I can appreciate their feelings. It is a matter we all have to face. Two things hinder us though. First ignorance, then knowing things that just ain’t so"
The first is easier to over come, because we do not have to unlearn, and eradicate prejudice caused by fear. Fear keeps us a prisoner, while faith motivates all intelligent life.
A smear at a crucial moment in an election uses this fact to exploit that fear, others that are unknown and the add on suspicion and speculations, that generally turn out to be a bunch of hot air.
"Go in faith and face your fears, lay waste the ignorance of your desolation." It is written that:
18 "There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love." 19 "We love him, because he first loved us." (1 John 4:18 - 19)
"Fear is like sitting in a rocking chair; It keeps you moving but doesn’t get you anywhere." |
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Many of the critics are claiming that Romney did not address Mormon Doctrine. I just cut and pasted some of the Mormon Doctrine out of the speech into comments on Amanda's thread.
This speech is loaded with Mormon Doctrine if you know Mormon Doctrine. About half of the speech is derived from the Book of Mormon or D & C if you know what you are looking for.
It does not include any anti Mormon misconceptions and that is what some of the critics are complaining about. |
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I am turned off by all the frontrunners. Especially the Dems. Romni, however is the least double speak and most appealing frontrunner. However, I would question the connection with the father of the diabolical globalist and current Carlisle director(?), Mr architect of the amnesty- George Herbert. Yet Romnis speach was the least vacuous and surpassed that of any other frontrunner, still not John Kennedy or Ronald Reagan material by any means.
I am cheering for a second tier candidate and its not Gomer or the other dork, it is someone that educates as he speaks. A mark of a true leader. Not a flip flopper, govenment bail out,.... George W. we are all disappointment. You are not a divider, you are uniting Democrats and Republicans in a common dislike for you and your fraudulent economy. If the economy was so great why would you need so many bail out programs. No money down programs, the borrowers can walk away. Who are you kidding you are bailing out the companies who fueled your fake economy with borrowing against homes. No wonder the dollar is sinking. |
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Romney did answer the concerns of the Evangelicals that he could reach and get to vote for him.
He did not fall into the trap of getting bogged down in the quagmire of misconceptions that the anti Mormons promote and he won't.
He can build on this speech and get the coalition of value voters that he needs. He may never get the anti Mormons and actually does not need them to win the nomination. He is pursuing his agenda not theirs. If they attack Romney after this speech there will be a tremendous backlash against them. |
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romney's speech was boring amd irrelevant because it did nothing to address the concerns evangelical Christians have about the bizarre beliefs of the mormon cult, and the lack of judgement and discernment necessary to believe such ridiculous fables. The Book of mormon reads like something out of Grimm's Fairy Tales.
I will not be voting for Mitt for the same reasons I would not vote for a Wiccan, a Voodoo practitioner, a Muslim, or a person who believes he has been abducted by Aliens.
Why? Because any man who could believe all this, and not intellectually question it is not someone who has the judgment necessary to be President of this nation in a time of crisis.
Read Walter Martin’s “Kingdom of the Cults for a revealing expose of this bizarre religion. See http://www.waltermartin.org/whatsnew.html
See http://www.waltermartin.org/whatsnew.html
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