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Friday, November 06, 2009
One or Two People Killed And A Dozen Injured In Florida Shooting
Posted by: Jillian Bandes at 2:32 PM
One person has died after a gunman opened fire earlier today in an Orlando office building that housed an engineering company. In addition to the single death, five others were injured. The shooter was laid off from the engineering firm two years ago, though specifics about his motive are still unknown.

This office shooting comes less than 24 hours after the horrific attack on Ft. Hood.

From ABC:
ORLANDO, FL -- Orlando Police say they have arrested the suspect in the downtown Orlando shooting that left one dead and five injured.

Jason Rodriguez was arrested at his mother's residence without incident.

People streamed out of the 16-story Legion Place office building around lunchtime and some told local television stations they had barricaded themselves inside their offices.


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Seadog writes: Saturday, November, 07, 2009 12:37 PM
Lonny
You have your liberal party lines down cold.

Lonny, we were speaking of England finding themselves sans guns in WORLD WAR II, so don't change the subject. Even the Germans thought they would invade England. Operation Sea Lion -- remember?

I believe Vietnam, the Iraq War and the Afghan War proved or are proving that missiles, rockets, bombs and such can destroy one hell of a lot of things, but boots on the ground are still needed. You can have ships, planes and all the missile sorta of ammo you want, but unless you are willing to turn an entire area into a sheet of green glass, then you need the guy with the gun.

Will the US ever be invaded? Probably not in our life time. But, even if a foreign power did take out our major cities, there is one hell of a lot of terrain that could not be much damaged by missiles.

Will other countries be invaded in our life time? Yep, and the citizens of those countries will want and need small arms. Most will find their citizens defenseless.

I believe you might read a little history on other matters too. It is obvious that the founding fathers FEARED the government. Lots of those old boys wrote about that. The person who does not suspect the government of ill conduct can only be classified as a right cretin.

Lonny writes: Saturday, November, 07, 2009 11:07 AM
Arch and Seadog
goodness gracious, so handguns would beat the missles? Silly people. UK was NOT invaded in any manner where hand to hand combat (the type that you suggest people need guns to do, because you fear your own government) was involved. These arguments are nonsense.

The only truth is that you fear your own government. Well, guess what, so do the mafia, street gangs, and illegal immigrants. And they fear each other. And so long as people like you justify not only the possession but the use of handguns when you deem it appropriate, you are the ones who are giving criminals and others permission to shoot to kill, whenever they feel 'threatened'. The second amendment was created at a time when the former colonies still felt the need for self-protection against the Brits and other possible invaders, and there were few full time police around. Well, that isn't today, is it? Cops protect us. If that isn't good enough for you, then why don't you pay more money in taxes to hire more cops? Why don't you realize that everytime you try to cut public programs, you send more people into abject poverty and often crime because they have no other means to support their families.

But you have your gun, and no one is going to take it from your cold dead hand, right? Good for you. Hope that 'intruder' turns out to be your kid coming home late from a date, and then you can explain to the cops and your family why junior is dead on your front porch. Gun happy, crazy rightwingers. I don't often feel this way, as our nation is great, but the rightwing is going to be the end of this great nation.
Seadog writes: Saturday, November, 07, 2009 10:16 AM
Lonny
You might want to read a mite of history, Old Man.

Folks in the United States were rounding up every spare firearm they found find to send to England in the early days of World War II. Why? Well, England feared they'd be invaded and had very few firearms to repel the invaders.


The British learned nothing. They still do not have enough firearms for a civilian force (home guards) to defend against a company of church ladies. And, their crime rate has rocketed. It is not safe to walk down the street in major cities. "A Green and Pleasant Land." Not anymore, Buccaneer!
J writes: Saturday, November, 07, 2009 9:31 AM
Jillian Bandes Pushing Gun Control?
>This office shooting comes less than 24 hours after the horrific attack on Ft. Hood.

It sounds like Jillian is pushing gun control...looks like maybe we found a hiding RINO amongst us. WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO SAY JILLIAN...THERE IS NO WAY HAVING GUN CONTROL WOULD HAVE STOPPED ANY OF THIS.
arch writes: Friday, November, 06, 2009 11:37 PM
Lonny Are you serious?
Lonny writes: Friday, November, 06, 2009 6:51 PM
NOTW
you are a bitter and fearful person.

And again, UK was never invaded, even though they have no guns. If you want to discuss colonialism, I'm sure we can do that on some other occasion.

Arch says

Lonny you are an abject moron! If you call Nazi V-2 Rockets falling upon British cities never invaded, then I rest my case. You are a total moron toasted black and crunchy. Even a butter knife scraping the carbon off the slice makes you still unnedible!
Cicero writes: Friday, November, 06, 2009 10:13 PM
Lonny
Switzerland is awash in guns, yet hardly any gun crime.

Has to do with culture, not availability of guns. See David Kopel, "The Samurai, the Mountie, and the Cowboy: Should America Adopt the Gun Controls of Other Democracies?"

http://www.amazon.com/Samurai-Mountie-Cowboy-Controls-Democ racies/dp/0879757566

Guns in America are here to stay, Lonny. Get used to it.
Lonny writes: Friday, November, 06, 2009 6:51 PM
NOTW
you are a bitter and fearful person.

And again, UK was never invaded, even though they have no guns. If you want to discuss colonialism, I'm sure we can do that on some other occasion.
NOTW writes: Friday, November, 06, 2009 6:24 PM
Lonny
No, but India was by the UK. And what better way to control people than to disarm them.

As long as you're comparing crime rates, particularly violent ones, the murder rate per 1000 is about 6 times higher in Democratic Counties than in Republican. Seems like the "entitled" ones have a big issue with controlling themselves.

Lonny writes: Friday, November, 06, 2009 6:07 PM
NOTW
Ghandi, maybe? Who cares? UK was not invaded, and they have fewer church going folks than we do. Yet they have far less crime of all kinds than we do, on a per capita basis, particularly violent crime.

Seadog, you jump to conclusions.
paddy o'furniture writes: Friday, November, 06, 2009 5:54 PM
lonny/kaboom/septic....
Have you ever stopped to think what a shrink might have to say about you?
For starters, you've got to have an addictive personality.....and you must be addicted to people telling you what a stupid loser you are.... Whey else would you come here day and night posting the most idiotic drivel anybody's ever seen or heard about....
Then there's that family of yours... starting with your "son" (you know.....The Beaver), and a dysfunctional aunt, cousin or nephew to fit any situation.
You make the locals in Deliverance look like a fine bunch of folks.....
Why don't you just go play on the freeway or something....you're close enough to your dirtnap.... Is this really the only kind of attention you can get....?
Pathetic.
Seadog writes: Friday, November, 06, 2009 5:45 PM
Lonny
"And yes, Seadog, they had to be illegals. He spoke with them, really? So they spoke Spanish to him, and he knows for a fact they didn't speak any English?"

Just when I start believing you can't post something dumber than usual, you do.

Good God, Man. What would you think if you were in a deep woods and folks started acting froggy towards you and spoke a foreign language. In West Virginia?

You are either stupid or dumb! I hope you never go anywhere dangerous -- you won't last out the day!
NOTW writes: Friday, November, 06, 2009 5:30 PM
Lonny
"Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the act depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest."

Do you know who said that?

Lonny writes: Friday, November, 06, 2009 5:26 PM
The UK was never invaded
you clown.

Your guns wouldn't help much when they are bombing you to death, i.e. Pearl Harbor.

And I didn't say take away people's guns. I doubt that could be done, particularly among criminals. And yes, Seadog, they had to be illegals. He spoke with them, really? So they spoke Spanish to him, and he knows for a fact they didn't speak any English?

When I don't want to speak to someone, I pretend I don't speak English either. I'm fluent in Spanish, does that make me an illegal, or merely someone who took about 10 years of Spanish from middle school through college?

Seadog writes: Friday, November, 06, 2009 5:07 PM
Lonny
If they can't speak English and they are deep in the mountains of West Virginia, then they are illegal!

And they weren't making moonshine either. They were more likely than not growing pot.

The meth lab operators are native-born scum, although most seem to be originally from PA. They seem to think WVA is so rural that they are safe, but they are not. The sheriffs know everybody in their country and if he misses knowing a new one, somebody will tell him.

A sheriff found a meth lab in what is one of the most remote counties in WVA, busted up the lab and hauled them off to jail. My cousin, who lives near where they sheriff found the lab siad; "It was funny. Every building on that old farm burned up that night. Funny how that happened!"

Hillbillies believe in practical judgment -- if we can keep the liberals from sticking their noses in our business of smiting the wicked.
paddy o'furniture writes: Friday, November, 06, 2009 5:01 PM
Only a true idiot.....
....would make my point for me so easily.

UK, no guns: invaded
US, guns: not invaded

I have no doubt there is a lot more white collar crime now.....a lot more rape, a lot more drunk driving, a lot more of every kind of crime. Where there is no vision, the people cast off restraint. This is no surprise..... This used to be a God-fearing, moral society....but we have strayed....

...but how often do you hear about the NRA member going on a rampage? Not too often. You don't take away everyone's cars when a drunk kills 6 people, and you don't take away everyone's guns when a nut goes haywire.....
Lonny writes: Friday, November, 06, 2009 4:51 PM
Paddy
your view of history is rather strange, as is your POV about guns. We have more guns now than we ever have, and lots more shootings. When I was in high school, heck, maybe a knife would be used in a fight. Nowadays, a gun is very easy to get and use.

But let's just arm everyone. And those folks in Europe were invaded, yet they don't have guns like we do. You'd think they had more credibility in terms of what real violence means.
paddy o'furniture writes: Friday, November, 06, 2009 4:49 PM
For the record.....
....I agree wholeheartedly with George W. Bush when he stated unequivocably that anyone who was not for us in the War on Terror was against us....and just as much our enemy as if they had planned out a terror attack themselves.

That makes you my enemy, lefty.....and you would be advised to remember that......
paddy o'furniture writes: Friday, November, 06, 2009 4:46 PM
The reason the Japs.....
...did not invade the West Coast during WWII was that they feared "a gun behind every blade of grass."

Now that the left have managed to make this a nation of wimps, terrified at the mere thought of a firearm, a potential shooter knows he need no fear.

Empty heads like lonkaseppy think that getting rid of guns is getting rid of death.....but in reality, it only increases the chances of a high body count.....
Lonny writes: Friday, November, 06, 2009 4:31 PM
Can any of you explain
why in Europe there are so few of these gun events? Very, very rare. (frankly, relatively rare here too, given the number of people we have who are armed, legal or otherwise). But in places like London, people get fired, yet they don't go running back to shoot up their workplace. Why might that be? Wouldn't you rather live someplace where guns are not so commonplace?
NeoConScum writes: Friday, November, 06, 2009 4:26 PM
Jason Was Arrested At His Mommy's Apt.
and seemed sulky in the response to a question from a newsie,"Why'd ya do it?" He replied that,"They left me to rot." Apparently, that's the reason the senor, fired for incompetence in 2007, believes is justified for opening fire at his former work place.

Scum Sucking Puerco!
Lonny writes: Friday, November, 06, 2009 4:26 PM
why are you people so afraid of
everything? Did your friend get documents from the 'illegals' at the fishing hole, Seadog, or does he just guess by their ethnicity?
Seadog writes: Friday, November, 06, 2009 4:03 PM
exeye and cav
Excellent points!

Folks like Lonny will never get it!

Best friend just bought a S&W .38 special that is the best balanced and the lightest hand gun I've had the pleasure to handle. It is made of titanium.

He now has a concealed carry permit and a hand gun 'cause three illegal aliens acted really froggy toward him when he was trout fishing last year. He said he figured he'd have ended up in the river had not his son-in-law arrived on the scene.

I didn't have time to get one last summer, but going to get one next summer when I go home to West Virginia. I only need to get a permit from either FL or WVa.
Speedicut writes: Friday, November, 06, 2009 3:30 PM
exeye and cav
Are you forgetting all those shootings that policemen do to each other at the police station? har har.
cavalier973 writes: Friday, November, 06, 2009 3:00 PM
Lonny, you're going to love this
http://jim.com/wild_west.htm

I dare you to read the whole thing.
cavalier973 writes: Friday, November, 06, 2009 2:57 PM
Exeye, I believe in gun control
You can't just wave the thing around wildly. Keep a firm grip, aim only at what you intend to shoot, and squeeze the trigger, don't "snap" it.

"When everyone carries a gun, people tend to avoid confrontation."
Lonny writes: Friday, November, 06, 2009 2:56 PM
right exeye
we have a real problem with people killing other people, and you think we should walk around like it is the old west.

Exeye writes: Friday, November, 06, 2009 2:53 PM
Maybe if guns were
freely available to the office workers he wouldn't have gotten two feet inside the door.
cavalier973 writes: Friday, November, 06, 2009 2:47 PM
correction
he got laid off from the firm 2 years ago.
cavalier973 writes: Friday, November, 06, 2009 2:46 PM
The guy was an engineer
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_orlando_office_shooting

and he was 40 years old. He just got laid off, apparently.
Lonny writes: Friday, November, 06, 2009 2:45 PM
Wow, Jason Rodriguez
who knew that he was a muslim. Maybe if guns were not so freely available....
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