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the Brobster drives a scooter. |
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LP - Rush is immortal now. He IS talkradio. Keep wishing though.
Brob - I bet you drive an El Camino. |
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Where ya been, bruddah?!
In the final analysis, this Rush thing shows how the Republicans are playing soldiers for fools. Sure they'll bow and scrape, fuss and fawn, over the military, but if the soldiers hold politically incorrect views, they are "phony."
Rush is a rabble-rouser, a common agitator. Guys like him surface in every generation, but they are forgotten in short order. Mankind does not seem to hold their "service" in high regard. |
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I understand it was friendly fire...... |
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Brob and Mike S may be liberals, but they are so far the left of the Dems, they would never have voted for anyone right of center.
Their points are therefore moot. |
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Welcome back....
We try not to be too hard on Briggsy.....he had his brain shot off in the war..... ;-) |
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are good people. They're just not good at reasoning and long-term thinking;)
"Feelings, nothing but feelings..." |
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Republican voters still get to decide who their nominee will be. Money only buys elections when people act like sheep. If 80% of Republicans are indeed seeking a conservative, we can nominate one. We can nominate Duncan Hunter. The money players won't like it and are trying to convince us only Rudy McRomneyson (h/t portlandmom) can win. Hogwash. They want an open borders candidate. Give Americans a chance to vote for a candidate who WILL secure the border and watch turnout soar. Americans want their government to fulfill it's most basic responsibility.
The primary responsibility of the U.S. government is to protect the territorial integrity and people of this country. They have completely abdicated this responsibility. Both parties have been complicit in this. We are being told it is not possible to control our borders, enforce our laws, and thereby control our destiny as a nation. Hogwash. We are being sold out by corporations intent on importing workers for jobs that can't be exported with the taxpayers paying the true costs, financial and human. If we act like sheep and don't stop the inundation across our borders, we will lose our country without a bleat.
http://www.gohunter08.com |
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thanks for the link. Something we'd never see here. |
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Hugh, you spend your whole day talking to people, who pay to go see you.
They are called sycophants.
You really need to try and get some perspective.
The American public is fed up with you, Democrats and Republicans alike.
There is in investment by the public in the political process.
This means that predicting political outcomes is going to be extremely difficult because decisions are going to be on a whim.
Your assessments are pathetically inbred.
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My wife told me it was either her or my guns....
I don't miss her.... :-) |
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Had my Browning .22 at the range Sunday, this time had 6 fliers outside 8" at 20 yards. I have cold so my concentration isn't what it should be. |
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As the saying goes, "they'll have to pry it from....." |
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Regressives and Radials are nincompoops.
Virginia Patriot:Ask the wife if she thinks we all oughta turn in our pistolas and put up yard signs reading:"We're Dumb As Hell.C'mon In And Get Our Stuff." |
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Still waiting for delivery. They have to make one for me. I got to shoot one at the range, excellent accuracy, but there are none available until Nov. :(
My wife is one of those on the left that read the 2nd to mean only the government should have guns, completely turning the founders intent on its head. |
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....exaaaaactly!
But they'd be happy cuz they can give all the guns to their well regulated militia..... :-)
How many rounds have you put through that 220? |
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We'd have them outgunned, for sure. ;) |
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Jane: Bailing water is best done with a flip flop.
Thanks, we need a little humor, these comment boards are usually pretty grim. |
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"What has happened to the Democrats and the media that they are so filled with hate?"
I have to pause when I hear such things. I really wonder where this woman has been, and if she realizes that the extreme right aka the Christian Coalition of the 90's routinely pulled out plenty of hatred for liberals, democrats and anyone who disagreed with them. Things have been bad for a very long time. Discourse hasn't been civil, and the move-oners (who still like to think of themselves as organic and zen) are in there too.
Sure, she might be just waking up to the Dems vitriol and rabid lemming attacks, but the Repubs have been leaders at mass media, they used it with more sophistication, speed and success than ever imaginable.
And it's true, what you say, Hugh. The Move-oners haven't gauged anything right in awhile. But mostly what they've done is not pay attention to the once rank and file Dems who've left the party in droves. They've also not paid attention to Dems who own small businesses and struggle with any number of new regulations and taxes. So they left, too.
Anyway, about the Petraeus condemenation. They took down a soldier who has devoted his entire life to the service of this country. The Dems blew it the first day. If it offended them they should have said so from the get go --a two week wait seemed insincere. I think out of all of them, Kerry was the biggest failure. As a former officer, he should've come out against it immediately.
The thing about Rush was a real circus. He's a private citizen living in a capitalist society making his wealth and paying his taxes by doing the thing he does best. The founders of Move-on did that too, when they developed flying toaster software for Berkeley Systems and sold it for millions. The only difference is Rush's expertise is picking on them. That's what they can't handle.
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....all the neo-commie blue staters are talking secession, they can go away, take Hillary with them and let us have Hunter.
I guarantee there won't be another Civil War with that arrangement....! |
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I still want Hunter...
Look around... China is still trying to buy their way into our DOD networks... Who is speaking out about this? Hunter...
What else maters if the country cannot defend itself? |
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Richard, about your boat scenario, I'm dying laughing here! |
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Here' from Rush's transcipt:
"I didn't talk about this last week, but Mitt Romney issued a statement much like he issued against -- who did he throw under the bus? Oh. Larry Craig. He issued a statement: That's reprehensible what Limbaugh said, horrible, whatever it was he said -- and then later in the day somebody from his office called our office. "We just found out that this is a smear, and Mitt will say this if he's asked about it." He hasn't been asked about it, so his statement still stands. McCain sort of halfway threw me under the bus by saying "if" what Limbaugh said as reported is correct, blah, blah, blah, then it's disgusting and horrible and so forth and so on."
So why is Mitt on Hugh's show this afternoon explaining himself instead of Rush's, several days after the start of the episode. Now Hugh has two bloggers on meekly agreeing Mitt did a good job with his statement and the quick news cycle. LOL |
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Hugh, this is now the second time you have jumped the shark.
Opened his show with Romney, defending Rush. LOL
No mention of Romney's first statement.
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he's been saying it for years!
Rush and Hannity and all the rest have constantly hinted, implied, and sometimes outright said that (1)anyone opposed to the war are unpatriotic (2)ALL of our soldiers over there are for the war, no matter what else you hear, and (3)therefore, if you are against the war, you do not support the troops. This latest gaffe by Rush fits right into the central theme. Hugh is a classier man than Rush by far: in my opinion, Hewitt, Medved, and Prager tend to be much more measured and thoughtful than Rush and Hannity. Yet even Hugh sometimes succumbs to this "anyone who disagrees must hate America" nonsense. Listen, all you are doing is making independent minded Americans like myself resent the Republican party even more when you constantly imply that anyone who disagrees with you is unpatriotic. There's going to be a Democratic landslide in 2008, and Right wing talk show hosts will have contributed to it, mark my words. |
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Yeah, sat on the border waiting for an CCCP invasion that, thankfully, never came. Great pilsner beer, pristine scenery, and we got paid to live on the economy, as there was no real base there. Nam was winding down when you were there? Or not?
Wow, Mitt started Hugh's show to explain himself about the fist Rush response. If I am ever on a sinking ship, I hope I have Hugh bailing as for me as fast as he was bailing for Mitt today. |
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What ridiculous challenges. I ask simple questions to find out about your character and being the cowardly pin head you are, you cannot answer them.
So, you would let someone in a store beat their child. Do nothing about a mugger and stand there and let someone kick your a$$. God help us if you are ever put in charge of anything. Yep, you are a lib.
No personal responsibility. Let someone else take care of everything and you will just complain because they did not do it quick enough.
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Rush did not say what they claim he said. It is digitally recorded, he can go back and play it in context. Rush was referring only to one fake solider (really he was fake) not voices of dissent in the military. What the heck is wrong with Harry Reid. I understand he is a partisan hack, but he is just plain stupid to boot!
And as for nominating Duncan Hunter. If it every happens I would absolutely vote for Duncan Hunter in the general election, and then start buying ammo, MREs, and and other survival gear in anticipation of the Hillary Junta taking control. |
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The notion that the left really supports the troops while Rush Limbaugh seeks to smear any that disagree with the war is utterly laughable. No sane adult who has been conscious the last three years could possibly believe that.
The left believes our soldiers are baby killers, torturers and mass murderers who are in the military because they were too stupid to stay in school. The last guy they nominated for President launched his political career on such accusations and continues to make them to this day.
The notion that they are the true supporters of the troops is just as laughable as their phony outrage over the alleged “outing” of CIA employee Valerie Plame. The left hates the intelligence community, hates the CIA and has spent decades denouncing CIA covert operatives as assassins and saboteurs that facilitate American imperialism by interfering in other countries. Only a stunning level of evasion can permit this crowd to suddenly claim concern over the status of our covert agents.
And its just as laughable as all the phony outrage over the lack of armored Humvees and body armor in Iraq. Since Vietnam, the left has fought the development of every major combat system the military currently uses. They fought tooth and nail to stop the development and acquisition of the M1 Abrams tank, the Blackhawk helicopter, the Apache attack helicopter, the Bradley fighting vehicle, the F-18 Hornet, the Patriot missile defense system -- you name it, they’ve opposed it. Their pretense at outrage at a lack of equipment of any sort is so preposterous one cannot possible take it seriously.
The left thinks that if they pretend the past doesn’t exist, that pretense will magically wipe it out and keep us from remembering who they really are and what they really advocate. The fools think their evasion of reality wipes out reality. Fortunately, it doesn’t. Reality -- including the reality of what the left actually believes -- is still here.
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Nice pictures buddy. Never been to Germany.
Hope is was a nice tour, with plenty of good beer. (-: |
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Army Security Agency, Det K, which is on the border between Czech and W. Germany, '73. Here's our website: http://www.rimbachvets.org/ |
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If I read this to you and did not tell you that it was an FBI agent describing what Americans had done to prisoners in their control, you would most certainly believe this must have been done by Nazis, Soviets in their gulags or some mad regime — Pol Pot or others — that had no concern for human beings,"
"There was no firefight. There was no IED that killed these
innocent people. Our troops overreacted because of the
pressure on them, and they killed innocent civilians in cold
blood"
“You know, education, if you make the most of it, if you study hard and you do your homework, and you make an effort to be smart, uh, you, you can do well. If you don’t, you get stuck in Iraq.”
“Shamefully we now learn that Saddam's torture chambers reopened under new management, U.S. management.”
Who said the above
a. Ted Kennedy
b. John Kerry
c. Dick Durbin
d. John Murtha
e. Rush Limbaugh
f. All of the above except e
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But I grew up. And I recommend you do the same
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Will Briggsy, by your comments I really wonder. |
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I'm a vet too,
Where were you at?
Tan Son Nhut 1972. 57 Medevac |
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....who actually likes Hunter but doesn't think he will win just VOTES for him their respective primaries, he may surprise a few people.
That's how you GET traction.....
Remember, a no-name peanut farmer got himself elected for crying out loud. Suppose a guy with actual credentials gives it a shot....
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...poor choice of words on my part.
I agree with you. We need someone in the White House who'll stand up to the Left, and Mitt doesn't look like he's up to the fight. |
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the chickenhawks defending their own. |
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dustoff-507 It makes no sense to me. Dean - is this a correct quote from the Romney people? If so, he is more clueless than I thought,
I'm a vet too, like Fred best, but will vote for the GOP nominee, if only to keep Hillary out. |
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Huffington is claiming the statement came from a Romney campaign spokesman. Does Mitt deny this?
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What gets me, why in the hell would they (Mitt) say anything to Huffington. We all know they HATE him and have such a small website visit count? |
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Um it was the Kevin Madden who issued the statement.
You know, the guy who speaks for the campaign? The offical spokesman.
Not just an aide. |
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As of yet. I have no dog in this fight.
Not sure what Rep I want to support. Even though I'm a vet I just can't support McCain. |
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what are you doing for the money Romney is paying you?Slackers..get on the phone and tell Mitt to issue a statement on how the MSM twisted his words..how it was meant for Jack Murtha re: Haditha and how somehow the MSM took it and used it in this context.. |
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I'm with you on Hunter, truth be told I've met him many times in San Diego, but for what ever reason he just can't get any traction.
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Richard
One of Mitt's aides submitted this quote to someone at HuffPo:
"Governor Romney would disagree with the negative characterization of those men and women who serve with honor and distinction in the United States Military. There may be disagreements with individual opinions, but no one would ever dispute the fact that those members of the military who disagree with the war have earned the right to express that opinion."
Link here>> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/09/28/romney-criticizes-limbaug_n_66363.html
What Mitt should have added at the end was; "I'm certain that this also is what Rush believes and any attempt by his detractors to mis-quote him is simply irresponsible."
Both Mitt John McCain, at best, "jumped the gun", responding before they got all the facts. Only Fred Thompson got it right.
As a side note, one of my senators, sadly, signed Reid's letter to Clear Channel. I sent him a terse e-mail regarding his actions this morning. I'm not betting on hearing anything back. |
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dustoff-507 The rub on Romney is he has no real passion, this kind of MBA nonsense confirms that. Anyway, now that Mitt has lost Rush (and Rush is watching to see who is sticking with him) I see Mitt continuing to slide.
Huffington is claiming the statement came from a Romney campaign spokesman. Does Mitt deny this? |
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Republican voters still get to decide who their nominee will be. Money only buys elections when people act like sheep. If 80% of Republicans are indeed seeking a conservative, we can nominate one. We can nominate Duncan Hunter. The money players won't like it and are trying to convince us only Rudy, Romney, or McCain can win. Hogwash. They want an open borders candidate. Give Americans a chance to vote for a candidate who WILL secure the border and watch turnout soar. Americans want their government to fulfill it's most basic responsibility.
The primary responsibility of the U.S. government is to protect the territorial integrity and people of this country. They have completely abdicated this responsibility. Both parties have been complicit in this. We are being told it is not possible to control our borders, enforce our laws, and thereby control our destiny as a nation. Hogwash. We are being sold out by corporations intent on importing workers for jobs that can't be exported with the taxpayers paying the true costs, financial and human. If we act like sheep and don't stop the inundation across our borders, we will lose our country without a bleat.
http://www.gohunter08.com |
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Got me about Hugh?
I'm neither a yes or no about Mitt. But if he said this it sure isn't going to help him. |
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Richard_223, I read the Romney quote on Carpetbagger. I don't think HE posted it there. Others did.
Hugh, you need to get a statement from Romney on this ASAP, to try and correct the damage or clarify. But it doesn't look good -- because I think after national defense and hillaryhealthcare, this attack on free speech is going to be the growing #1 issue against her and the Dems. |
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dustoff - Jane has the quote. Why did Mitt release it to the Huffington post, is he expecting to get votes over there? Not that you would know, but I am wondering why Hugh has not posted it? If Mitt is dumb enough to alienate Rush, this will continue:
From the WaPo:
'Romney has experienced a September slide in the Granite State. At the beginning of last month, his standing in New Hampshire hovered around 30 percent. Today, it's closer to 25 percent. Three polls in the past week have recorded a decline in his support, with Rudy Giuliani and perhaps even John McCain threatening his position.As the former governor of Massachusetts, Romney can ill-afford a loss in New Hampshire.'
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...to resemble Robert Redford's "Bill McKay." Every word out of his mouth sounds like it has been through a dozen filters and sanitized before use.
This is not 1970, and the media have changed as well.
His statement about Rush sounds as if he had no idea what Rush had said, and took the word of someone who TOLD him what he said.....just like the lefties are doing. |
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Isn't Clark who wanted the Brits to stop the russian in Kosovo? They were taking over an airport or something like that.
They told him to pound sand. |
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Hugh, you have to admit, this is DEVASTATING for Romney. As I said, I USED to be a Romney supporter.
This confirms all the negative stuff about Mitt. Maybe he's perfect for the business world, but he has failed on this very very important issue! |
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I haven't read what he said, but did hear he jumped on Rush. Looks like he spoke to soon. |
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Wow, comparing Mitt and Fred statements about Rush and the military, who would you feel better with as Commander in Chief?
Uh, could someone translate Mitt's message above into English? Does not sound to me like a strong defense of free speech.
And, why is Mitt posting on the Huffington post, he usually gets his messages put here on Hughhewitt.com |
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Free Republic had it today too. Lets just say Romney made no friends over there today. |
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Romney, weasel that he is did issue a statement on Saturday.
Here it is.
"Governor Romney would disagree with the negative characterization of those men and women who serve with honor and distinction in the United States Military. There may be disagreements with individual opinions, but no one would ever dispute the fact that those members of the military who disagree with the war have earned the right to express that opinion."
It was posted at Huffington post. |
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I went to my e-mail and read the story about Wes Clark calling on congress and yahoo is attributing the story to the Huffington Post. I looked up the Huffington Post and what a liberal rag. I was incorrect in saying that rush called all solders of the Iraq war phony solders. I am outraged that a General Officer would lie and work to undermine our troops. Maybe Wes Clark should put on flak jacket and follow a patrol to remember what it is like to be a solder. |
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What did Mitt say? A link or the quote? |
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I shouldn't have said that...he's probably not a bad guy....
He just posts like he's mid steroid rage.....
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Looks like Mitt goofed big time. So your point is? |
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Ok, here's Fred on Limbaugh:
'Congressional Democrats are trying to divert attention from insulting our military leader in Iraq and pandering to the loony left by attacking Rush Limbaugh. He is one of the strongest supporters of our troops, yet Democrats claim he is not being strong enough. I wonder who General Petraeus and his troops think is most supportive?'
I am still looking for Mitt's defense of Rush, can't find it on his web site. Hugh is super quick to get Mitt's wisdom out on the Iranian and the Supreme Court, and now we have an assault on Free Speech from the Senate Dems. |
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Thanks buddy... Noah is trying to make friends I see.
Maybe laying off the boose would help him read a tad bit better. |
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are comical to say the least. Let's say we believe the transparent lie of the Democrats that Limbaugh was saying that any anti-war vet is a "phony soldier". It's a lie but let's take that as a stipulation and equate the two events. First off, Rush was speaking extemporaneously and in a conversation with another party who first framed the question. Rush endorsed the speakers frame and continued on. It undercuts our stipulation to recount his expansion of that remark on the air so let's just leave it there as the MSM and Lefty vermin will. The Movoners, by comparison, scripted their much MUCH more vicious ad by committee; approved same through as laborious a process as one would expect for an expenditure this large, was granted a discount rate for the ad whose VERY TEXT was in violation of the NYTs stated policies and in contravention of their vaunted "neutrality" on political matters. Further MoveOn is a titanic force in Democrat media, financing and vote drives. Does Limbaugh script policy for the Reps? Fundraise to anything approximating the same degree? For the pessimists, you see that even on the MSMs chosen facts this whole thing just doesn't fly. Beside which, smears only stick if there is already a stink about the target. Does anyone really believe that the Reps or Rush don't "Support the Troops" in this sense or that the Dems/MoveOners do? Hell no. |
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Noah is a righty, but apparently, he only posts after panhandling enough for a fifth of Jack.....so he can't tell a lefty from a right thinking Republican American.
He has attacked me as a lefty troll on several occasions.... which, of course, is laughable....:-)
Just ignore him....
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Dustoff: Your misuse of the term "Dittohead" indicates you have your head three feet up your arse.
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LOL, this is nice. Another lib who must cuss to make a point!
What, your the same age as Briggsy (19) |
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What is Mitt's statement on the Rush issue? I am sure Mitt is the first to come to Limbaugh's defense?
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It is very, very easy, and very very chickenbleep, to simply assert that Limbaugh is is it for the money.
Here's a challenge for those who make that charge: tell us EXACTLY what Rush does or says that is evidence that he doesn't believe what he says, that he's "laughing all the way to the bank".
Dustoff: Your misuse of the term "Dittohead" indicates you have your head three feet up your arse. |
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You'd lose your bet. But then, the accuracy of yuor statements overall does float somewhere below par, so that's hardly surprising.
Amazing that you can be wrong so often, and still harbor any illusions about the validity of your positions. Much less how seriously anyone here takes you. |
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Frankly, I'm enjoying this immensely. It is a case of what goes around, comes around. After the stupidity of the Republicans making a big deal over that idiotic Move-On ad here come the Democrats with something equally stupid to hoist the Republicans with their own petard, courtesy of Rush's fat mouth.
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I bet you are laughing. So is Rush all the way to the bank.
Ryan I noticed you were listening to Rush today. So I must assume your a DITTO HEAD.
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The issue is the same negligence we encountered during the Clinton 90's.
The Democrats feel they can slander anyone...
The Democrat Party will try to destroy everyone who stands in the way of their petty greed.
The lies about Rush are the same as Nancy saying al Qaeda isn't in Iraq before the 2006 election.
The big problem is, some actually enabled this unethical Democrat effort by not voting.
The only way to stop this ugly Liberal Partisan garbage is to defeat them at the polls.
2008 is essential.
Time to unite.
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That's my taunt to laborlawyer.
He says
"Keep it up
Defending Rush, I mean. Every independent-minded person who reads the transcript can see the context."
Errr..ummm... your exegesis leaves one scratching his head. Do you have the sand to actually provide textual and analytical support for your unsupported assertion? I don't think so. Do you have, to use a word you might not be familiar with, "precedent" for Limbaugh making anti-military remarks? Impugning soldiers who happen to be anti-war? If I were a union exec I would surely not trust you to make a legal argument!
"As for senators attacking a radio show: No less absurd than Senators condemning a newspaper ad. Your side started this dopiness."
More fuzzy logic. Moveon.org is a supposedly non-profit 501(c)(4) corporation AND a federal PAC organized to " the purpose of influencing a federal election" through advocacy. Its status not empower it to make personal attacks against government officials, including the military. The "ad" part is immaterial, just another red herring.
OTOH, Limbaugh is a private citizen whose political commentary is protected by the First Amendment . The Senate condemn HIM personally, not his company.
For a lawyer, you don't "do" much nuance, do you...
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Watch it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaE98w1KZ-c
Watch it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaE98w1KZ-c
and, Watch it again: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaE98w1KZ-c
I know Mike posted the link earlier in this post, but this theory of Evan's explains these people. It does take a few viewings with some cogitating in between to get it all. Evan's theory is something like the Unified Theory of Modern Liberals - it's that good.
Once you see, it's like seeing the hideen image in those Magic Eye sterograms that were hot about ten years ago. This theory doesn't just explain their drive for the US to lose in Iraq, but just about every other position that they have (schools, healthcare, energy, etc.)
Please find some quiet time and watch it! Thanks!
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Yes, as befits a former First Lady of the United States aka FLATUS, Hillary does "float in the air". |
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Oh, but, Laborious one, how could anyone "lose ground" to Mrs. Clinton when she walks not on the ground? She is of a higher being----one who floats through the air. Indeed, it is you and your "party" of friends who have both described her as such, and, elevated her to such atatus
One cannot give up, nor "lose ground" to one who does not walk among mere mortals. For this you surely are edified. |
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Frankly, I'm enjoying this immensely. It is a case of what goes around, comes around. After the stupidity of the Republicans making a big deal over that idiotic Move-On ad here come the Democrats with something equally stupid to hoist the Republicans with their own petard, courtesy of Rush's fat mouth.
99% of the members of both parties need to be removed from the Congress and intelligent adults sent up there.
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Fergus,
"I love it when Leftists opine about everything Rush is doing wrong; in the meantime, Rush keeps laughing all the way to the bank."
That's right and as G. Gordon Liddy said about the Clinton defenders applies to you as well: "ye suckers", for I bet you have all that crap he hawks. Rush is taking you to the bank in more ways than you think. You'll figure this out one day, maybe, much to your chagrin. |
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Laborlawyer, Sir, did the soldiers which Limbaugh was referring to actually tell the truth about the extent of their military service---or were they indeed being dishonest ? |
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I can't believe it. Rush is still running his mouth over this on the radio. He should know that when in a hole and you want to get out the first thing you do is stop digging.
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Ok Ryan. I'll ask the same of you. Harry could only get 41 votes from the dems to go after Rush.. JUST 41. Talk about digging! LOL
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Yeah, pretty soon, if he doesn't stop, he will have an audience as small as the top-rated Leftist pundit... of course, for that to happen, he would have to lose something like 75-80% of his audience.
That'll happen.
I love it when Leftists opine about everything Rush is doing wrong; in the meantime, Rush keeps laughing all the way to the bank. |
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At 1:05 PM today (Wed Oct 3) Rush Limbaugh read Fred Thompson's strong, unequivocal and direct statement of support for Rush, and distinguished it from Mitt Romney's equivocal criticism the other day of the remarks attributed to Rush.
If Rush's characterization of Mitt's statement is correct (as Rush said, Mitt "throwing [Rush] under the bus"), from this point forward, I can no longer be a Mitt Romney supporter. (Sorry Mitt & Sorry Hugh)
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are two things:
1 - how the MSM treats it
2- how the Congress actually votes it
On both accounts, "your side" (i.e., the lib hyperpartisan Dems) loses in the war of Rush v. MoveOn
Re: No. 1 - the MSM is mostly ignoring the Rush attacks, and in particular Dingy Harry and his rants ... because the MSM knows that it simply doesn't wash, and that the MediaMatters guys purposely took the Rush comments out of context and grossly distorted their meaning.
Re: No. 2 - the Senate voted to lambaste MoveOn.org's "Betray Us" ad by a lopsided majority ... while the attacks on Rush will never come to a Senate vote (even most of the Dems are stepping away from obvious doo-doo like this loser "issue")
Hillary is only "gaining more ground" as you say amongst the deranged Dems, who have finally coalesced around her candidacy because their only alternatives are two lightweights ... that is, they are even more lightweight than Hillary. Continue to tell yourself that liberal bashing of the troops and our generals is a general election winner ... go on, please! |
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Defending Rush, I mean. Every independent-minded person who reads the transcript can see the context.
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And YOUR independent minded right? So explain why Harry could only get what 41 votes to attack Rush.... 41 dude, just 41. Your dem's wouldn't even touch that one. |
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Yeah, there are some Mexican illegals (a sizable number) here whose loyalty is to Mexico not the U.S. If you want to throw them out I am all for it. To suggest all 12 million illegals here think that way is patently false (and of the 12 million illegals here, I think Mexican nationals are about half). And yes I am aware of fringe reconquista movements for the Southwest U.S., the way to handle that is to stop further illegal immigration and make any immgrants who come here work towards assimilation.
To suggest all Mexican nationals here only care about Mexico is untrue. It is a nativist argument. They said the same thing about the Irish, the Germans, the Italians, the French, the Japanese, and on and on. While there are a few who definitely were not loyal, the allegations were generally untrue. We need to treat this matter on a individual basis, not as some blanket threat. |
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As I remember law school, students and attorneys are expected to be able to argue both sides.
Let's hear YOUR arguments for our side..... |
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I can't believe it. Rush is still running his mouth over this on the radio. He should know that when in a hole and you want to get out the first thing you do is stop digging.
http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/opinions/benson/
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awards here at TH for "most belligerent."
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Defending Rush, I mean. Every independent-minded person who reads the transcript can see the context.
As for senators attacking a radio show: No less absurd than Senators condemning a newspaper ad. Your side started this dopiness.
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Briggsy writes:
"But until we have voluntary tours of duty, there are going to be people in uniform who rightfully object to deployment."
Obviously he/she/it has never served a day in the uniform of our country.
Voluntary tours of duty?
What next, "voluntary orders?"
"Voluntary courts marshals?"
"Voluntary blanket parties?"
(note: a "blanket party" is what Briggsy would undergo, voluntarily or not, if he/she/it ever spouted off with any of the crap we've seen posted so far on hughhewitt.com while wearing the uniform of the United States of America)
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PLEASE keep it up. You are serving the country to the absolute best of your abilities.
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Well stated.
Please consider this 45 minute video of Evan Sayet, an Hollywood insider who puts into further detail your above comments. Mr. Sayet was raised in a liberal family and was himself a Liberal until a few years ago.
You might enjoy what that catalyst was that changed his political paradaim. Have a great day:
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Rush doubted that he was a Republican, not a soldier. Selective hearing/reading, a critical thinking disability, and a genetic defect (one of many) causing the inability to recognize irony and hypocrisy in oneself but to neurotically project it where none exists are all hallmarks of leftists. Please seek help. |
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The fundamental source of the left's hate is the utter self-loathing that naturally accompanies the act of surrendering one's reason and independence -- a surrender that was necessary to swallow the complete liberal world view.
When a person surrenders his ability to think independently -- or forgoes ever developing that ability -- he makes himself helpless before the world and utterly dependent on others to tell him what to think, what opinions to hold, what to value, what to oppose, etc. -- he becomes an adult in body but remains a child in mind -- and THAT is a miserable, humiliating experience. The knowledge that he did it to himself -- that he did it for the cheap motive of winning the approval of his liberal professors and liberal friends -- that knowledge transforms the humiliation into self-loathing, for he has only himself to blame for his misery and he knows it.
But such self-loathing is intolerable, and so by the psychological mechanism of projection, he turns that hatred outward toward all those who have NOT surrendered their reason. He becomes a hater of all of the things reason makes possible: ability, competence, financial success and most especially, he becomes a hater of the greatest manifestations of reason on earth: capitalism and the United States of America. For these, and for any who dare to defend them, he reserves a special level of hate, for these are the ultimate reproach, the ultimate proof that the thing he betrayed -- reason -- is an irreplaceable value. |
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I have it under advisement that Townhall did indeed intend to bring up the Dobson issue, as you mention.
However, please know that given it was you who broached it, Townhall has thought better of it and decided to pull this subject from scheduled discussion.
We hope this has not inconvenienced you to any great degree. Pardon us, we retract that last sentence. |
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...are really backfiring out the wrong orifice on this one. Rush's popularity and ratings will go up. Neo Kommie credibility will go down. Just compare what Rush has consistently said about the U.S. military and what Reid, Pelosi, Murtha, Kerry, and Hitlery have said and tried to do.
Stones are flying and glass walls are shattering all over the Kommie Kingdom of Kos. |
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the intentionally ignorant throw the Swifties in with these moronic, mendacious attacks from the Left spouted from the Winter Soldiers for the New Millenium. The SBV4T has not lied nor misrepresented themselves IN THE LEAST REGARD. Every man is provably who he says he is, unlike Jesse MacBeth, Beauchamp and the balance of that festering gaggle; Iraqi Veterans Against the War. Kerry is a liar, a coward and a traitor to this nation and just simple human decency. Sure, the Lefties count some real vets among them, like Tillman and that is fine with two provisions. First, the simple fact that there are anti-war and even Leftwing vets does not let the MacBeths, Kerrys and Harkins of this world fabricate their military record. Secondly, the pro-war vets MUST GET EQUAL TIME AND EQUAL RESPECT. In the Sheehan era we know that this is exactly inverted. But it matters little. The War over the War is over. The Battle of Petraeus was a rout for the anti-Americans. They know it. That is the source of this interminable squealing. Music it is, sez I. Music. |
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Are you ever going to answer the question as to when you were last in country? Probably not because most likely you never have been. Like many libs, you have never made any sacrifice for your country. You will talk trash while hiding behind a computer key board.
If you see a woman slapping her child in a store do you say something or turn away and complain about it when you get home? If you are in a parking lot and someone is getting mugged I bet you run home and send an email to the city about how there needs to be more cops in the parking lots of grocery stores. If I were to smack you up side the head, how many times would you let me do it before you said enough is enough? |
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From a big-picture perspective, here's what I think is a big part of what's going on...
Gone are the pert and heady of the late 60's and 70's. The formerly-cute chickies have to do a lot more than bat their eyes to keep the men interested; and the once-hunky men, now flabby and grey, have to do more than wink to charm and win the admiration of their peers. "Look at me! I'm still relavent!" they shout.
This vocal minority was in their late teens and 20's when they were "making statements" and "changing things." That puts them in their 50s and 60s today. It true that they are also at the height of their monetary power and influence - afterall, most did ultimately persue important careers; but those days are numbered. Soon their perennially angry rants will sputter into the literal hacks and coughs of old age.
Sit down and eat your grits, hippie grandpa. It's our time now. |
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From a big-picture standpoint, here's what I think is happening to the Left...
Gone are the pert and heady days of the late 1960's. The once-cute chickies have to do much more than bat their eyes to keep the men interested; and the hunky men, now flabby and grey, have to do a lot more that smile and charm their way into the admiration of their peers.
The people who were marching in the streets making "important statements" and "changing things" were in their late teen and 20s then. That makes them in their late 50s and 60s now. While it's true that overall, this vocal minority is at the height of their power and influence - afterall, for the most part, they did settle into improtant careers - we will soon see their angry voices dissapate into the sputters and hacks of old age.
Sit down and eat your grits, hippie grandpa, it's our time now. |
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How I hate !
I am so full of hate!
I dispise puppies and apple pie.
I hate religion!
I hate the military !!!
oooooo how I hate.
Liberal Loathing !~!
Ooo how we hate. We get together and sit within pentagrams and sing of our hatred.
We hate Rush.
We hate Sean.
We hate George.
The only thing we love is our hatred.
I hate America.
I hate England.
I hate Fox....
I love my hatred. It's all i've got.
Don't you know.
Hugh is so right about us.
WE SNARL IN HARMONY!
We are every bit as bad as he says.
(but i don't hate health care for babies)
Nope, We will hate everything to get power...
But we won't hate that. |
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That is a wonderful farewell address. Thank you, Hugh (and Duane), for playing it and providing it for everyone to play at their convenience. I went to bed after playing it. It leaves one humbled. |
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If that link does not tell you that many illegals want to Mexican-Mexican, not Mexican-Americans, then nothing will. |
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Can anyone imagine Franklin Roosevelt being asked in 1942 about the wars in Europe and the Pacific,
"No, but seriously,......how long do we have to stay there?"
That question reflects a juvenile and unserious view of what war is all about. A nation goes to war for as long as it takes to to win, or until it is defeated.
One doesn't have to be a Republican to understand (cf. Joe Lieberman) that setting a "Win By" date is nothing short of lunacy. One need only be a serious person.
Does anyone remember that draftee soldiers during WWII were in the Army "for the duration"? Think they "wanted to be there" --- as if that's a valid test of whether a war is justified?
Sheesh.
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Not even one has come to the defense of Rush. Aren't you tired of all these spinless permanent reelected moral mongrels?
Just when we thought it was not possible for the Republican party to anger its base even more, they reach a new low.
On the heels of the attack of Limbaugh comes the news; McCain backs off from attacking the Democrats on national defense. (read it on Drudge)
Can the GOP really be as though as they say, when they are afraid of Hillary, Obama and Harry Reid?
How come not one Republican Senator can point out to the obvious that when talking of supporting the troops the Democrats better shut up.
The Democrats vision for America is running the country like the Veterans Administration. |
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I am proud of your dad too. I do not know if he is still with us, but thank you for his service.
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20th Air Force in the Pacific,which turned Japan into an inferno.He was proud of that.And,I was proud of him.
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The problem with Duncan Hunter is he has very little political support. I get you like the man, I like him too. He is a patriot and great congressman. But he has gone no where with Republicans, what makes you think he would do better with Democrats thrown in? A perfect candidate with less than 2% support from his own party?
Immigration is an issue that has gotten out of control, but most Americans do not want to throw the 12 million illegals out. I do not. I want to stop the flow of illegals from borders (north and south) and ports of entry (which is a huge unaddressed problem), increase the flow of legal immigrants (with an emphasis on doctors, engineers, and other hard science professionals, followed by skilled workers, with a limited number of poor laborers at the end), and punish employers with civil penalties who hire illegals.
And as for amnesty--I want to screen the 12 million who are here and throw out the criminals and keep the ones who get on line and go thorugh the process (and the line will not be illusionary, because we will expand legal immigraton to accomodate them).
You guys tell me this is not about prejudice against Latinos and foreigners, but about taking control of our country. Where am I wrong on this? |
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believes that--GASP--any soldier who gripes, grouses or otherwise complains is ergo:Anti-War, Anti-the-Mission,Anti-Boooosh,Anti-Repub,fill in the blanks...
I grew up hearing my Dad cuss the army & officers & all uniformed authority.He was with the 20th Air Force in the Pacific,which turned Japan into an inferno.He was proud of that.And,I was proud of him. |
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This is the Left's MO: to say "we will support you, but you have to meet our conditions first"... and then either set those conditions impossibly high, or progressively move the goalposts further and further. |
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The reason this stuff is ridiculous (and harming) is that these politicians have put scoring political points above what is good for our country. I'm not talking about differing views. You can have differing views. The only reason for the Senate to debate Rush is to score political points. It has become political all around. Political equals power. So every thought is how these people can stay in power: from voting on condemning a Move-On ad to condemning Rush. Support the troops by actually supporting them. Support Petraeus by actually supporting him and his testimony and plan. Stop the parlor trick BS. Of course, people can say, "Staying in power is good for the country," depending on you ideology. But wouldn't it be a breath of fresh air to have politicians who actually went to work thinking about how best to uphold a Republican form of government, liberty, and our Constitution instead of their political party? George Washington said the experiment is in our hands. The Founders knew that government is designed to power grab at every instance. Well, we need to get in there to make sure the experiment keeps going. |
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Which is why Duncan Hunter is the perfect candidate. |
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if every American military service man and woman who was occupying Iraq and Afghanistan wanted to be there.
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My god your dumb.
I served in Nam. Do you even think I wanted to be there? What about Korea, Kosovo or anywhere else a war is at.
But were there briggsy and we need to make that area safe, like it or not.
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"Compare his statement, "On to the center-right this blob projects its disfiguring anger"..."
... which tendency you demonstrate beautifully...
"with the following: "The center-right supports the military and the mission. The left doesn't.""
Yep. If you disagree, please provide examples of the Left supporting either the military or the mission. Or refute any of the numerous counter-examples showing a distinct pattern of a LACK of said support. |
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Per Gallup in a poll dated June 25-28, 2007:
In your view, what one or two issues should be the top priorities for the president and Congress to deal with at this time?
Situation in Iraq/War - 63%
Immigration/Illegal aliens - 29%
Poor healthcare/ hospitals; high cost of healthcare - 23%
Economy in general - 10%
Fuel/Oil prices/Lack of energy sources/The energy crisis - 7%
Education/Poor education/Access to education - 6%
Social Security - 3%
Poverty/Hunger/Homelessness - 3%
Federal budget deficit/Federal debt -
3%
Environment/Pollution - 3%
Terrorism - 3%
National security - 3%
Taxes - 2%
Unemployment/Jobs - 2%
Poor leadership/Corruption/ Dissatisfaction with government/ Congress/ politicians/candidates - 2%
All other issues polled 1% or less
Bottom line: immigration and the border is an important issue (only slightly more important than health care), but it is far outweighed (by more than two to one) in the minds of most Americans by the war against the Jihadists. Abortion doesn't even rate 1%.
Hugh Hewitt is right: the next President will be determined more than anything else by the war issue.
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After listing elsewhere those distinguishing positions of the Democratic front runner, her highness queen radical of cackle, on such things as the MoveOn.org Petraeus ad, Hugh turn to defending Rush by expecting us to believe the American populace is able to determine political slight of hand from slur and slime. I’m with Mike one this one, it’s one thing to be awake and another to be alert.
In your Hillary “60’s Girl” with a possible presidency article, you didn’t mention she signed onto the letter to Clear Channel asking for an apology from them and Rush. So, she has doubled down on her bet the fever is infectious enough to sustain delirium until November 08. It may be working. She has poll numbers with her so far.
My only hope is she will be forced into an extemporaneous event or podium appearance somewhere, somehow, with cameras rolling. She is a calculating, conniving witch who can’t handle an unscripted setting. If she ever shows her ring craven Bilbo side of that personality, it would be the video event of this presidential season.
You are right about one thing. What will matter a year from now, after American media has pounded her drum beat of unrelenting pessimism so long, is whether voters will be able to hear any upbeat message through their bleeding ears.
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..of his peers.Remember his Wellstone Moments?Any-
body remeber how the cover-my-a** Senator H. was
aggressively pro-war in his last re-election campaign some years back?He,like many Demowit Senatores,needs to retire next time...But,he-they won't.Because the real wonkettes truly DON'T know anything else to do.NOT being there is unthinkable.Sad.Pathetic.Maddening. |
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I am ashamed for the Senate, once the more respectable chamber, for stooping to this level. But the general acrimony in politics is at an unprecendented level, and there is plenty of blame to go around... For every Moveon.org ad, there is a Swift Boat Veterans; for every Rush attack, there is a Pelosi smear. I think it is hilarious for Hugh, of all people, to get his panties in a bunch over the venomous slander that passes for news, when he fancies himself a journalist and regularly engages in these same types of attacks. Compare his statement, "On to the center-right this blob projects its disfiguring anger, but it doesn't work because most Americans hear and watch for themselves" with the following: "The center-right supports the military and the mission. The left doesn't." And those two are from the same paragraph! A pretty neat trick: pirouetting from indignation over an accusation of being unpatriotic, to making a baseless charge of being unpatriotic, in a a few short sentences!
Give it up, Hugh. You and most of the other names you rattle off on you honor roll are as guilty as anyone else of creating the modern cesspool of political spin. From your disingenous "reporting" (remember "Romney Rising," your attempt dismiss Romney's dive in the polls) to your unseemly smearing of anyone, even conservatives, who don't curry your favor (i.e. a timely "story" on Thompson's health/cancer, the day after his formal entry into the race), you are an agent of untruths and vile attacks, just as your opposites on the lunatic left fringe are.
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The left is beginning to flex its new found majority muscle. This incident with Rush seems ridiculous on the surface, but perhaps not. It could also be an answer to the "Betray Us" hysteria or something more sinister still. I am noticing Gen Wesley Clark demands that Rush be taken off Armed Forces Radio.
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Read the Rush transcripts .. he did NOT attack American servicemen and women who disagree with the war. Rush attacked PHOHY SOLDIERS, naming them specifically ... that is, those liars and miscreants and perpertrators of fraud who represented themselves as American military veterans of Iraq and Afghanistan who NEVER SERVED THEREIN.
It's impossible to reason with dolts who purposely avert their brains from any facts that conflict with their distorted world view.
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You are giving way too much credit to the political middle. The Left third know all this is a lie but don't care and have a bullhorn; the Right third have disproven the lie but comparatively only have a paper cup with which to announce it; and the Middle third are getting their news from Oprah, The View, and John Stewart without any attempt at corroboration let alone critical thinking. How else can one explain the popularity of a recessive trait of an ideology slowly moving towards sure extinction. |
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Securing the border and enforcing the law is the only way we get to keep our rule of law, our representative Republic, and our Constitution. If citizenship becomes meaningless, this will no longer be the United States of America.
The so-called "top tier" will not get out the voters necessary for a GOP win. Increasing turnout is the key. Give people something to vote for. Not just the lesser of two evils. Won't work this time. People are fed up with the inundation of illegal aliens. They would come out in droves for the clear choice of D=amnesty or R=enforcement. They will stay home if they both equal amnesty.
There is a huge majority of American citizens waiting for someone to pledge to uphold the laws and secure the borders, let's ignore them some more.
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This post of Hugh's has nothing to do with abortion policy.
This thread is about the Dems' anti-military underpinnings, which has been rather self-destructive of their political ambitions since the days of the Vietnam War.
Nevertheless, your suggestion that Giuliani supports late term abortions is incorrect. He supports the partial birth abortion ban, which ended the gruesome procedure you describe in your post and accuse Rudy of taking perverse pleasure therein. That's just preposterous.
We are not electing the President of parsed-by-trimesters abortion policy. We're electing the President of the United States of American, and the Commander in Chief of our military forces who protect all of us - pro choice and pro life alike - from those who would gladly incinerate us all.
I am not a Romney guy, or a Thompson guy, or a McCain guy, but I would gladly crawl over broken glass to vote for either of them, or Rudy Giuliani, to protect us from the likes of the leftist-in-centrist's clothing Hillary Clinton, and her minions Harry Reed and Nancy Pelosi and MoveOn.org and George Soros. Any of the leading Republican candidates are great Americans who represent the defense of freedom, the rights of the individual, and that which makes us uniquely American. We Americans are all free to disagree on abortion policy without engaging in anti-Americanism.
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When you step back and think about it, how completely ridiculous is it that the Dems make it a huge issue and TALK ABOUT WHAT A RADIO TALK-SHOW HOST SAID ON HIS PROGRAM ON THE CAPITOL FLOOR! What's even sadder is that they do this regularly. Rush is always playing tape of his name being mentioned by Harry Reid or whoever. How low will they sink? I can't even imagine the Republicans bringing up what Al Franken or anyone else said on some radio show. How pathetic that we have a Congress that wastes time on this.
Which brings me to another point. The left is always offended. They live offended lives. And yet they are the party of tolerance. To tolerate something means to let something that you disagree with go. They are not tolerant because they honestly can't let one single thing go. If Rush said something that they deem "offensive," then it's darn sure gonna make it to the Floor. How stupid. |
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What does Congress think about Angelina Jolie and Brad Pitt adopting all those kids? I want to know. Is there a difference between Republicans and Democrats on this? Or is this just another case of the two big parties being one big party? Let's get to the serious debates. Come on. |
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I have mentioned before that we live in an Age of Apology
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Don't you just love it, For so many years the LIB's have been screaming to everyone to apoliges for everything.
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I have mentioned before that we live in an Age of Apology, and Hugh, you have helped usher that age in with your various calls for apologies over the past few years. Of course it is ridiculous that an "apology" is being demanded in this context, but only slightly moreso than the last ten (or a hundred) times those from the Left and the Right have made such demands. |
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What I love is the absolute waste of time and taxpayer dollar to debate something a guy on the radio said. Who cares? What's next? Debating the Family Guy? Congress is a joke. |
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A Giuliani candidacy will be upbeat, traditional and pro-American values? (And notably, Thompson is not mentioned in Mr. Hewitt's list of such candidacies)? I'm a first-trimester only pro-choicer, and I find Giuliani's late-term is ok pro-choicism repellant. My first child was born a year ago. I saw him emerge from hi smother's birth canal. I can see Giuliani standing by with mute approval as, just before that legalistic moment, a "doctor" sticks a scissor blade into the skull.... Pro-American values my eye. |
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Like pure white cats with inbred genetic flaws, most liberals are deaf.
I just can't believe Harry Reid is this stupid. It was simple for Rush to show what he actually said, it was digitally recorded. Of course, what is really going on is an attempt to change the topic from MoveOn.org and the surge. I understand the Dem push for children heath care entitlements (that is politically deft because how can those mean GOPers be against the children?), but this Rush thing is pure foolishness. |
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The left is blinded with hate and you're shining a light that could led them out of it. Who's side are you on? |
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I wish I could believe the public can see through these vulgar attacks on Rush and O'Reilly. But I am not so confident. When every news outlet sets it's so--most people say it's so.
And watching a private citizen attacked on the floor of the senate for sentiments he never stated should make people shudder and remember Soviet thuggery.
I fear a dark age when such lies can stand so easily. |
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