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Monday, May 21, 2007
FAQ - The Politics of Immigration Reform
Posted by: Dean Barnett at 10:13 AM

1) What were the Republicans thinking? Didn’t they know this immigration bill would outrage their base?

In a word, no. The storm occasioned by this dreadful bill has caught Washington completely by surprise. Both Democrats and Republicans have no idea what hot-button issues immigration and securing the border are. Or at least they had no idea until the middle of last week.

2) How could they have been so blind?

As one who formerly walked with the blind, I think I can address that with some authority. Last week I wrote that immigration has never been an issue that really “blew my hair back.” I never gave it much thought, and certainly never wrote a lot about it. When I came to HH.com, I began getting 300 or so emails a day from the conservative base (and a handful of embittered liberals who like reading my stuff so they can spray spittle over their computer screens while the rage virus takes a hold of them). As one who has sifted through literally tens of thousands of emails the past several months, I can authoritatively say that by far the single most important issue to the conservative base is immigration.

Most congressmen don’t interact with the base as much as bloggers do. They don’t know what you’re thinking. Believe it or not, they thought you would greet the arrival of this immigration bill with unbridled enthusiasm. A certain prickly presidential contender even wagered his campaign on it, which was probably the most foolish gamble any human being made since my last trip to Foxwoods.

3) Did any politicians see it coming?

It’s funny. Ann Romney, when interviewed by George Stephanopoulos, was asked what the biggest issue is to most people. She responded without hesitating, “Immigration.” The presidential candidates who are carving their way through Iowa cornfields know it. Those who were blindsided by the reaction got nailed because of their immersion in the DC bubble.

4) Does anyone not pulling a paycheck from Capitol Hill like this bill?

I don’t think so. The progressive blogs (or Nutroots, if you will) have been collectively silent on the issue. They have yet to utter a peep on the matter, other than to make fun of John McCain’s temper.

5) So what’s that mean?

The idea of reforming immigration without comprehensively securing the border offends virtually the entire country. You’d expect the Nutroots to be pounding the right for its xenophobia, but instead they’ve opted for radio silence. Even liberals think the idea of maintaining a porous border as a matter of policy is ludicrous.

6) You mentioned xenophobia. Isn’t that a big part of the right’s immigration stance?

That’s the single biggest misunderstanding regarding this debate, and it really frustrates me. I’ve read countless emails on the subject, and what really concerns the right isn’t the current batch of 12 million illegal immigrants but the next batch of 12 million who will keep flowing in once congress “reforms” immigration but still declines to seal the border.

7) Big deal. You’ve read some emails. That’s hardly a scientific method for reaching such a sweeping conclusion. Do you have any harder evidence to support this ridiculous notion that Republicans aren’t a bunch of xenophobic cretins who hate all brown people?

Your wish is my command. Rasmussen Reports reports, “Polling consistently shows that most Republicans favor an open and welcoming immigration policy that welcomes all except national security threats, criminals, and those coming to live off the US welfare system. The last time we polled on that question, Republicans favored such a policy by a 56% to 30%. Numbers for Democrats were essentially the same (54% to 29%).” But here’s the real interesting part: 72% of Republicans and 64% of Democrats agree that it doesn’t make any sense to reform our immigration laws until we secure our border and enforce existing laws.

8) That might explain the Nutroots’ silence on the matter.

It might.

9) So what’s the political fall-out from all of this?

Oddly enough, the Democrats will skate free for doing something that’s so contrary to the wishes of their base. That’s the benefit of being a party that really only cares about hating its opposition. As Markos Moulitsas has repeatedly pointed out, even the Democrats’ most enthusiastic supporters aren’t particularly rigid in their ideology, primarily because they don’t have an ideology.

As for the Republicans, even if this bill dies, the scars from this battle will linger. The Republican base at this moment has absolutely no faith in its leaders. The fact that our favorite Senator, John Kyl, mid-wifed this bill is sobering. And I don’t even want to talk about what will happen to the Republican Party if this bill becomes law.

10) Come on – talk about it.

Okay. It will mean nothing less than the end of the party as we’ve come to know it.

11) How about the effect of this on the presidential race?

Well, John McCain is done. It’s over for him. This is one thumb in the eye that the base will not forget. And the fact that he swooped back into DC to try to shove this bill down Congress’ throat after the Republican base had already manned the barricades won’t win him any new friends.

As for the other guys, there’s now an ideological vacuum atop the Republican Party. The president has rendered himself irrelevant with this idiotic gamble. What was he thinking? We’re at the most critical stage of an unpopular war, and he decides that it’s the perfect moment to go to the mattresses over the issue that most effectively separates him from his base? Either this was a piece of masterful Rovian political jujitsu that’s beyond my ken, or it was just flat out dumb.

The opening at the top presents an opportunity for the non-McCain presidential candidates, specifically Romney and Thompson. Rudy can’t be the ideological leader of the party because he’s ideologically out of step with the party on too many issues. But for Romney and Thompson, this could be a real moment. If one of them successfully seizes it, he’ll have a huge leg-up on becoming the party’s nominee.

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    Doctor Raj writes: Tuesday, May, 22, 2007 8:18 PM
    Third Party
    What difference does it make who becomes president if this bill passes as proposed? Some say that it will be the end of the Republican Party; I don't think so. People have been saying for years that we need a third party, but that has never been feasible. Now it is possible but not by forming a third party. Instead we will form a new major party and the Republican party will become the third party. And btw who cares what Medved thinks or says since he is just a former liberal who has returned to the old rost. I wonder if his position would be the same if he still lived in Southern California and had not relocated to our far northern border with Canada?
    MikeG writes: Tuesday, May, 22, 2007 8:16 AM
    Why fund it?
    As far as I am concerned, if this Senate bill goes through it is time for a tax rebellion. This bill is all about cheap labor and new votes, all of which completely disregard citizens now contributing to the system. There is absolutely no doubt that this will destroy social security and medicare and move our country to pure socialism once these people are legitimized. If anyone at all believes the harsher portions of this bill will be enacted or enforced once the bill becomes law then check with your dealer, you're getting a higher potency drug than you're paying for.
    redeemed writes: Tuesday, May, 22, 2007 4:22 AM
    Dean's sagicious FAQ's
    thanks for stating the obvious...outside the DC bubble... plain as day. What would be better? Expound on the big unspoken reasons our "leaders"
    refuse to secure US borders: 1)We need the population #'s to compete with China, India,E.U.
    economically...as a North American Union.2)To counter Mexico and Latin America leaning towards
    anti-capitalistic politics.3)Fear of the US economy stagnating and world wide depression plunging the globe into violent upheaval.
    Our "leaders" look down from Olympus,judging us
    incapable of direct/correct debate with their version of theoretical truth.
    Sammy writes: Monday, May, 21, 2007 3:46 PM
    Great Testimonials Guys
    Bruce great idea, I should change my mind about this amnesty bill because some guy named Steve thinks it's the second coming.

    Joe adds in such "conservative" luminaries as Michael Medved, Jonah Goldberg, and Michael Barone. If you guys want to sell this piece of junk by name dropping so called "conservatives" that support this amnesty then I hope you can do a lot better than those pseudo-conservatives.
    Doug writes: Monday, May, 21, 2007 3:22 PM
    Romney's killing us!
    Actually, not quite yet. But, his video clip on "Secure Borders" shows that he agrees with the Immigration Law only if the USA has a tamper proof ID, one that any employer can use to verify the "right" to be employed.

    Sorry, DB, but the tamper proof ID card is an "internal passport" the modern day version of the old Czarist idea of controlling its population. What's next, requiring permission before moving to a new town or address? Mitt's got to be crazy if he believes that "tamper proof" idea is anything but an internal passport.

    Secure our borders to avoid the next 12-million from creeping into our once great country and then wait and see what to do next. Many of the current illegal bunch will be weeded out (Sorry about that but couldn't come up with another way to say it.) when they go back home to visit and try then to sneak back in.

    Mitt needs a better idea than his tamper proof ID and maybe he will come up with it. One thing is clear: "Tamper proof IDs? We ain't got no tamper proof ID cards. We don't need no tamper proof ID cards. I don't have to show you any stinking tamper proof ID card!"
    Ex-tex writes: Monday, May, 21, 2007 2:45 PM
    Come'on Dean?!
    You really don't know why Rove (oops- meant to say Bush) went to the mat for this right now? He promised his Texas Backers 3 things if they made him POTUS:
    1. tax cuts
    2. war contracts
    3. cheap illegal labor
    He has to make the immigration move now-time is running out.
    Pasadena Phil writes: Monday, May, 21, 2007 2:36 PM
    As the landscape changes
    It is always interesting to watch the Bruces and Steves (of Ambridge) get shrill when their candidate starts cratering. Did anyone else notice that Bruce is now co-spamming Steve's nutty pro-Giuliani blog? They should disappear soon once the mother ship crashes.
    TheChair writes: Monday, May, 21, 2007 2:30 PM
    Dean said...
    "what really concerns the right isn’t the current batch of 12 million illegal immigrants but the next batch of 12 million ..."

    Wrong. Much of the right IS concerned with the current batch of 12 million illegal immigrants. They're ILLEGAL.

    We had this sentiment in 1986 along with Reagan, but as merciful a guy as he was, he learned from his mistakes. 1986 was a mistake. Present policy shouldn't make t
    BGronni writes: Monday, May, 21, 2007 1:43 PM
    immigration bill.
    End of the Republican party? This would happen anyway if the 12 - 15 million get voting status and if they manage to bring in their 15 - 200 million relatives over the next 20 years. This country will move to a one party system, (Dems) when this new voting block is here.

    BETWyan writes: Monday, May, 21, 2007 1:29 PM
    thoughts....
    I'll repeat, no one is against immigration - IF and it's a big if, it's legal and in reasonable numbers. However, DC has shown again and again, that it's either unable or unwilling to control either aspect. President Bush is the worst on this issue. He simply loves Mexico and I also think he does want to see greater integration leading to a kind of North American Union. Our fathers and grandfathers fought and bled for this?

    Today's immigration in a way really isn't normal immigration, it's simply about Mexico and a few other Central American countries exporting huge portions of their populations to our nation with all it's attendent negative consequences such as the sheer illegality - the fake or stolen ID's, social security numbers, driver licenses, drunk driving, etc.

    These nations, especially Mexico which is a wealthy country, refuse to enter the modern world and reform themselves, so they export their peasants and yes, in Mexico's case, export their criminals, sending them north so the American taxpayer can foot the bill. I say the best way to deal with Mexico is tough love. Cut out this deal, shun them, greatly tighten the border, workplace enforcement, eventually Mexico City will get the message and hopefully reforms will begin down there.

    Beltway elites have sorely miscalculated how angry Americans are. Do we want to keep out "brown people"? We do not want half of Mexico, half of Canada, half of China or half of Russia. Why? Because it's EXCESSIVE! Besides, more than a few Latinos are reluctant to assimilate and show contempt for American laws, rules and yes, the English language. Don't wanna learn English? Don't bother coming here. Get it?
    Vorpal writes: Monday, May, 21, 2007 1:26 PM
    Too kind to the
    ...nutroots of the left.

    Their silence is ominous. Rather like, "this can only end well for us, so let's suppress the giggling while the right implodes"

    They are silent because they are observing the old maxim "Don't interrupt your enemy while he is shooting himself in the foot."

    They are silent because they WANT everything that is in this bill and know that they will get it either this time around or the next time it is introduced.

    The US is on the verge of major changes. Courage may not be enough to salvage our situation.
    ScarletPimpernel writes: Monday, May, 21, 2007 1:24 PM
    right on the money, again Dean
    Great summation about how we feel. One more thing I would add to those who either want cheap labor or say that "nobody else will do the jobs" - What do you think teenagers are for? Why not stop giving them everything they desire and require them to work for it like most of us did? That would solve a whole mess o' problems.

    Arizona Mike writes: Monday, May, 21, 2007 1:08 PM
    Bill Cross writes:

    RE

    "...vp is exactly right: workplace enforcement under w has been virtually nonexistent..."



    Bill,

    Don’t get me wrong here, I live in the breach. I have seen pristine quail hunting areas in the desert that now look like a garbage dump after a buffalo stampede. I do not recall hearing about ICE raids occurring during the clintoon era. I do recall hearing several in the last couple of years, though too little too late.



    Reaganite writes: Monday, May, 21, 2007 12:54 PM
    Some statistics on decreased enforcement
    Illegal Hiring Is Rarely Penalized
    Washington Post
    Monday, June 19, 2006; Page A01

    "Between 1999 and 2003, work-site enforcement operations were scaled back 95 percent by the Immigration and Naturalization Service, which subsequently was merged into the Homeland Security Department. The number of employers prosecuted for unlawfully employing immigrants dropped from 182 in 1999 to four in 2003, and fines collected declined from $3.6 million to $212,000, according to federal statistics.

    In 1999, the United States initiated fines against 417 companies. In 2004, it issued fine notices to three."
    Bill Cross writes: Monday, May, 21, 2007 12:48 PM
    Footnotes on workplace enforcement
    Arizona Mike, respectfully, you're late to the debate asking for footnotes and links regarding border and workplace enforcement under w. If you have been following the debate these past 15 years or so you would be aware of that which vp speaks.

    There has been quite a body of research presented at vdare, heritage and stein among other sites pointing out the lack of enforcement.

    vp is exactly right: workplace enforcement under w has been virtually nonexistent.

    frankly the issue is not even debatable.

    Arizona Mike writes: Monday, May, 21, 2007 12:26 PM
    Virginia Patriot writes:


    RE:

    "...So the problem has doubled as enforcement went from inadequate under Clinton to nonexistent under Bush..."

    You got some charts, graphs or links to back this up???


    GEL writes: Monday, May, 21, 2007 12:00 PM
    Spot On
    Dean... you not only hit the nail on the head... you drove it all the through the stud.
    Joe writes: Monday, May, 21, 2007 11:46 AM
    Sawmiller
    We should be recruiting the best and brightest to come here. Doctors, engineers, softwear architects, etc. It helps our enconomy and creates wealth for us all.

    As for poor workers, if they are young and hard working and reasonably educated--we want them to stay and become citizens. Immigration is good. This country has suffered when the immigration has been curtailed and done well when it is opened. The goal is controling immigration and kicking out the criminals and undesirables.
    Virginia Patriot writes: Monday, May, 21, 2007 11:42 AM
    Not while Bush is President

    We should not undertake any immigration reform until after another Presidential election. This President has shown his loyalties are not to American citizens on this issue. Personally, I believe we need Comprehensive Immigration Enforcement, not reform. We have the laws, what we don't have is any enforcement. Without enforcement, laws are meaningless.

    This new package will be no different than 1986. The borders could have and should have been secured September 12, 2001. But that would have disrupted the cheap labor express and the RNC could not disappoint its contributors. So the problem has doubled as enforcement went from inadequate under Clinton to nonexistent under Bush. Now they will try to jam another amnesty down our throats. The question remains, will we let them?

    Joe writes: Monday, May, 21, 2007 11:41 AM
    Medved even praises McCain!
    "And speaking of rewarding good behavior, and punishing the bad: those courageous conservatives (Senators Kyl, Graham, Isakson and, yes, McCain) who have worked constructively and seriously on immigration reform deserve our support, not our rage, while those politicians and media figures who have demagogued this issue in a way that only makes it worse, in no way merit our encouragement."

    http://michaelmedved.townhall.com/blog/g/9ed505b6-4d1a-4443-a9b9-5b4a2e0ce8f8
    Sawmiller writes: Monday, May, 21, 2007 11:33 AM
    The pro-illegal argument on the right.
    Some on the Right argue that we should support this bill because we need the workers who are coming in. We need them to keep our hi-tech and hi-finance economy bubbling.

    Isn't that exactly what Karl Marx said? Did he not argue that capitalism must exploit impoverished folk to continue its economic successes?

    Could someone please explain to me the difference between the two positions?

    Could someone else please explain why people on the Right, such as Larry Kudlow of NRO, buy into this Marxist position?
    Bill Cross writes: Monday, May, 21, 2007 11:31 AM
    Interesting Concept Ordinary Coloradan
    You blast some of the posters on this blog for blasting candidates they don't support.

    btw, what have you done this morning to stop the bill?
    Jane writes: Monday, May, 21, 2007 11:31 AM
    And another thing,
    I'd really like to kick people like Fred Barnes to the curb. What a fool he is. I suspect he has a maid and a gardener who he really likes and would like to see them become citizens.
    Well just who does he expect will do his cleaning if they become citizens and move up in the employment world? Another illegal. They have no interest in stoping the flow.

    Farmers are complaining about not having enough workers to pick their berries and lettuce, yadda yadda.
    There is no shortage of illegals. Its just that those illegals are chosing not to go work in the fields. Construction pays better!

    I know people who have had their incomes stall or decrease because of the wave of illegals. I'll bet Fred Barnes doesn't. He has no idea of the rage that is felt by these people. He lives in his little DC bubble and feels good about feeling sympathy for the illegals. He should go on cross country driving trip. He sure would get an education.
    Joe writes: Monday, May, 21, 2007 11:21 AM
    Eichendorff and Ordinary Coloradan
    Eichendorff--I assume you are upset because some of us are not swayed by your logic on why we should vote for Romney. I respect your position. Why not respect mine? I like all four Presidental candidates but think only two, possibly three can win. I worry that Romney's efforts to win over the right have undermined him in the general election. I understand your frustration with Mormon bigotry from some, but convince me I am wrong about Romney rather than getting pouty.

    As for Ordinary Coloradan--the bill is not the end of the world. It is also not going to pass. It is a jumbled mess and there is significant efforts to derail it from the right and the left, the goal here is to mitigate the political harm this is doing to the GOP. Unless you would prefer President Hillary getting into power and putting her own immigration reform through? Michael Medved noted that this bill is not as evil as you say it is: http://michaelmedved.townhall.com/blog/g/9ed505b6-4d1a-4443-a9b9-5b4a2e0ce8f8
    Jane writes: Monday, May, 21, 2007 11:18 AM
    stupid politicians
    As to the question of how this will affect the Republican Party if this becomes law, it will be the end of them as a majority.

    After having spend several years of my childhood living in a third world country, I have seen the way they live, the corruption from the top down, and realized how wonderful this country is. I have proudly voted in every election since I turned 18. But I will drop out if this bill becomes law.
    My mother and sisters agree. If this becomes law it will prove that the politicians are all alike. We will tune out, turn it off and join the 50% of the country who already believes that their vote matters not a whit.
    I'll say it again, if this becomes law, they deserve Hillary in 08.
    Ordinary Coloradan writes: Monday, May, 21, 2007 11:12 AM
    What a pathetic bunch you are
    This is arguable the most important bill and fight facing us, and all you chimps can do is try to use it as a club to beat on candidates that you do not support.

    Like it or not, when Thompson declares the race will come down to him and Romney because nobody else that is electable is on the right side of the issues for the conservative base of the party. So get ready to go pout in the corner, but stop trying this lame smearing by association, innuendo, insinuation and disingenuous BS that you are spreading. You're as bad as the Left.

    You want to call others out, but you guys - you're stuck on STUPID.

    Concentrate on STOPPING THE BILL, not on smearing candidates.

    First things first - STOP THE BILL.
    Virginia Patriot writes: Monday, May, 21, 2007 11:09 AM
    Duncan Hunter's statement


    HUNTER EXPRESSES “FIERCE DISAPPOINTMENT” OVER SENATE AMNESTY PROPOSAL

    I vow to oppose this legislation supported by Senators Edward Kennedy and John McCain.It provides a vast new immigration benefit to millions of illegal aliens who have broken our laws to live in the United States.I opposed the 1986 amnesty act because of this same reason.It proved to be the draw that we predicted it would be.I am deeply disappointed to see history repeating itself.

    This package will confirm to the world that the U.S. does not really mean what it says when it comes to immigration enforcement.As a result of the citizenship benefit included in this legislation, despite the fine print, we will see a stampede across our borders.

    This vast new amnesty and expansive guest worker program will surely be ridden with fraud and abuse, and ultimately lead to millions of public-assistance-dependent immigrants.

    The Senate’s decision to blatantly ignore the Secure Fence Act signed into law last year and only require construction of 370 miles of fence, as opposed to the 854 miles mandated by the law, is a dramatic failure of this legislation.The San Diego border fence has proven that fencing works.The time has come to quickly implement the Secure Fence Act, not retreat from its mandates.

    I believe that this package will result in lower wages for America’s already-struggling families by encouraging the importation of cheap foreign labor rather than investing, developing and growing a domestic workforce that will sustain our economy far into the future.

    Amnesty is not the answer.Border enforcement must be first and it must be comprehensive.To do otherwise is to repeat the mistakes of the past.This Senate bill is bad for Americans, bad for our workers, bad for law enforcement and, most importantly, bad for national security.I will fight it.Please join with me.
    http://www.gohunter08.com/shownews.asp?artid=42
    Virginia Patriot writes: Monday, May, 21, 2007 11:07 AM
    Been Telling You
    For months..

    Who actually believes the President has any intention of building a fence? How will we enforce new laws when we won't enforce current laws? Will the people breaking current law comply with any new law? What will we do if they don't?
    Who actually believes, that when George W. Bush delivers on his promises to citizens of other countries illegally in our country, that they will vote Republican? Another amnesty will result in Democrat majorities for decades. How stupid do you have to be to import voters for the opposition at the same time you alienate your own voters? If the GOP surrenders our sovereignty and abandons the rule of law, they may find in November 2008, that they still have their big money/cheap labor donors, but they do not have voters. GOP-RIP
    Eichendorff writes: Monday, May, 21, 2007 10:44 AM
    Tedious
    While it's true I have contributed a fair amount to these comment boards, I'm just about ready to throw in the towel. Mainly because they are becoming so tedious, predictable, and boring.

    For Bruce, VOR, and several others, it's always "I hate Romney. He's through." For Joe, it's, "Well, Romney may be attractive, but I don't think he can win." For people like Gabby, it's, "I hate Mormons." Really dull stuff.

    Some of you may welcome it, and I really don't give a fig if you do, but I'm through posting comments. It's a monumental waste of time.
    jamil writes: Monday, May, 21, 2007 10:43 AM
    Bruce:
    "Nope. Not for Romney. He flip-flopped on this one, too. How can anyone believe any position he now takes? "

    Mitt actually did act against illegals when he was governor. Fred Thompson voted in senate for various pro-illegal bills and he is on record (last year) saying that illegals must have "aspirations for citizenship". Mitt has at least some credibility here unlike McCain, Guliani, and F.Thompson.

    Fred issued a vague press release last week stating that he does not like too much about this bill white Mitt Romney clearly stated he is absolutely opposed to it and then went to running TV ads against amnesty bill. What did your candidate do about this?

    Bruce writes: Monday, May, 21, 2007 10:42 AM
    For Those of You Who With an Open Mind
    This is the lead article by Steve Maloney from today's Campaign42008 on Townhall.

    http://camp2008victory.townhall.com/


    OPPOSITION TO IMMIGRATION REFORM COLLAPSING
    Monday, May 21, 2007 7:23 AM


    I urge my fellow conservatives to support the proposed Immigration Reform legislation. People who’ve played a critical role in the modern conservative movement – including Michael Barone, Fred Thompson, Jack Kelly (conservative columnist and distinguished former Marine), Senator Jon Kyl, Senator John McCain, Senator Saxby Chambliss, Senator Jonny Isaacson, and Rep. Bobby Inglis (SC) – strongly support this legislation. The alternative is not some fantasy bill that doesn't exist and never will. Instead, it would mean the continuation of things as they are, which is unacceptable. Worse than that, if no legislation passes this year, the next bill probably will be written by Hillary Clinton, Nancy Pelosi, and Harry Reid.

    Do the right thing: support the proposal.

    In "Senate Immigration Bill is Progress" Townhall, May 21, 2007, Michael Barone says the following:

    “To regularize the flow [of immigrants], we also have to do something about the illegal immigrants already here. The bill, as I understand it, would provide them immediately with a chance to regularize their status without putting them on the road to citizenship. They would have to pay a fine and would be subject to deportation for criminal offenses, but if employer sanctions were known to be enforceable they would have an incentive to regularize.”

    ”Also, to get in line for a green card and citizenship, the head of household would have to return to the country of origin -- a "touchback" provision that was not in the bill passed by the Senate last May. In addition, we must do a better job of securing the border. Some opponents of this bill fasten on the provision that commits to building only 370 miles of the 700-mile border fence that Congress approved last year. But almost no one calls for a fence along all of the 2,000-plus mile border. I should think that the length of the fence to be built is negotiable.”

    ”The Kennedy-Kyl immigration compromise, now under attack from many conservatives and some liberals, attempts to steer the immigration ship in the direction of regularization, enforcement that actually works and toward skill-based rather than family-based immigration. At least if they get the details right.”


    Fred Thompson’s Stand on Immigration Reform:

    ”As recently as 2006, Mr. Thompson clearly stated that some sort of legalization — or "amnesty" — would be necessary. He seems to be for a virtual border fence (like President Bush) instead of a brick-and-mortar one. And he doesn't want tough sanctions for employers.”

    This all puts Mr. Thompson roughly in line with Rudy Giuliani.

    On a path to citizenship: "[B]ecause we allowed ourselves to wait until we woke up one day and found 12 million illegals here, there's no easy solution. And I think that you have to realize that you're either going to drive 12 million people underground permanently, which is not a good solution. You're going to get them all together and get them out of the country, which is not going to happen. Or you're going to have to, in some way, work out a deal where they can have some aspirations of citizenship, but not make it so easy that it's unfair to the people waiting in line and abiding by the law." (Fox News' "Hannity & Colmes," 4/3/06)

    On the problems with cracking down on employers: "We haven't enforced the law, in terms of employers. … For 20 years, we've not enforced the law, and that's a part of the problem. You can't enforce it all on the backs of the employers. People falsify information that they give employers and all that. That's not a solution to the problem." (Fox News' "Hannity & Colmes," 4/3/06)

    On his skepticism of a brick-and-mortar border fence: FOX's ALAN COLMES: "You don't put up a fence, either, do you? Is that bad neighbor policy, put a fence up?" THOMPSON: "If it would work. I mean, I don't know – that's a technical problem. In this day and age, I would not think you would have to use bricks and mortar to get that job done. But we ought to do everything that we can to get it done to the extent that we can and then, as I say, I think people would be willing to take a look at the rest of the problem, what we do with the problem that we created." (Fox News' "Hannity & Colmes," 4/3/06)

    Steve Says: We conservatives need to think long and hard about the fence. Is it, as some people believe, a barrier version of the bridge to nowhere? The big argument among conservatives seems to be that it should be 700-some miles rather than the proposed 371. Gee, the border is TWO THOUSAND miles.

    The proper questions are: (1) How much is the fence going to cost? (2) Is it going to work in cutting off the flow of immigrants? (3) How is it superior to other barriers – including electronic? These very practical questions deserve answers.

    On enforcement first: "We woke up one day after years of neglect and apparently discovered that we have somewhere between 12 million and 20 million illegal aliens in this country. So it became an impossible situation to deal with. I mean, there's really no good solution. So what do you do? You have to start over. Well, I'm concerned about the next 12 million or 20 million. So that's why enforcement, and enforcement at the border, has to be primary." (Fox's "Fox News Sunday," 3/11/07)

    On not rounding up illegal immigrants: "You know, if you have the right kind of policies, and you're not encouraging people to come here and encouraging them to stay once they're here, they'll go back, many of them, of their own volition, instead of having to, you know, load up moving vans and rounding people up. That's not going to happen." (Fox's "Fox News Sunday," 3/11/07)

    URGENT RED STATE ALERT: DISTINGUISHED CONSERVATIVE JACK Kelly JOINS CAMPAIGN2008VICTORY IN BACKING PROPOSED IMMIGRATION LEGISLATION:

    On Sunday), Jack Kelly, former Marine, former Army Ranger, former congressional candidate and America's outstanding conservative columnist, conditionally endorsed the proposed immigration legislation. Kelly's comments include the following:

    " . . . I think most of the illegal immigrants are decent, hard-working people who are an asset to this country, or would be if our policies weren't so screwed up. I want the government to know who is in the country. I want to keep out crooks and terrorists. But I think it would be insane and immoral to try to throw all of these people out. Most Americans agree with me. A Gallup Poll in April indicates 78% of the American people think illegals presently in the country ought to be given a chance at citizenship. . . . I blame the duplicitous mush [that remains] in the Senate bill chiefly upon the anti-immigrant hardliners. We could have had a comprehensive bill last year with serious enforcement provisions, but the [backward, anti-immigrant] wing of the Republican Party would countenance nothing that smacked of amnesty. So now the Democrats call the shots."

    http://www.post-gazette.com/forum


    Steve Says: There are tremendous implications to the proposed legislation. If it passes, it basically brings to an end the presidential campaigns of Duncan Hunter and Tom Tancredo, who are largely one-issue candidates. It would also insulate the Republican Party from charges of being anti-Hispanic, an absolute necessity if we’re to win future elections. Finally, it revives the McCain candidacy – and also gives a boost to Giuliani.

    These are momentous times, my friends."
    Joe writes: Monday, May, 21, 2007 10:39 AM
    Dean and Hugh warn of Trouble!
    My applogies to Robert Preston as Professor Hewitt...

    Well, either you're closing your eyes
    To a situation you do now wish to acknowledge
    Or you are not aware of the caliber of disaster indicated
    By the presence of McCain in your party.
    Ya got trouble, my friend, right here,
    I say, trouble right here in River City.
    Why sure I'm a politics player,
    Certainly mighty proud I say
    I'm always mighty proud to say it.
    I consider that the hours I spend
    blogging away are golden.
    Help you cultivate horse sense
    And a cool head and a keen eye.
    Never take and try to give
    An iron-clad leave to yourself
    to pick a real winner like Mitt Romney
    But just as I say,
    It takes judgement, brains, and maturity to score
    In my high level politics game,
    I say that any boob kin take
    And shove a bill through the Senate.
    And they call that sloth.
    The first big step on the road
    To the depths of deg-ra-Day--
    I say, first, medicinal wine from a teaspoon,
    Then beer from a bottle.
    An' the next thing ya know,
    Your son is drinking Mrs. McCain's beer
    In a pinch-back suit.
    And list'nin to some big out-a-town Democrat
    Hearin' him tell about political-race gamblin'.
    Not a wholesome race, no!
    But a race where they set down right on the donkey!
    Like to see some stuck-up jockey'boy
    Sittin' on Ted Kennedy? Make your blood boil?
    Well, I should say.
    Friends, lemme tell you what I mean.
    Ya got McCain, Graham,. . . forteen in the gang.
    It's those senators that mark the diff'rence
    Between a gentlemen and a bum,
    With a capital "B,"
    And that rhymes with "dumb" and that stands for McCain!
    And all week long your River City
    The GOP'll be frittern away,
    I say the GOP'll be frittern!
    Frittern away their noontime, suppertime, choretime too!
    Trying to get some fool bill through the Senate,
    Never mind gittin' Mitt Romney ahead in Iowa
    Or Mitt winning in New Hampshire.
    Never mind getting Mitt ahead in South Carolina
    'Til your find you are caught with another Clinton in the White House
    With Bill prowling around and that's trouble,
    Oh, yes we got lots and lots a' trouble.
    I'm thinkin' of those Republicans,
    Not knowing who to vote for
    Giuliani is too liberal, Fred's too lazy, Gingrich is ok but too darn fat,
    But Mitt is Mormon, and you know how hard they work,
    And McCain is just trouble.
    Trouble with a capital "T",
    And that sums up McCain!
    Joe writes: Monday, May, 21, 2007 10:36 AM
    Securing the border?
    How about punishing employers who hire illegals? I again repeat my modest proposal, give a private right of action for citizens to sue employers in federal court who hire illegals and seek civil sanctions. If victorious, you get your attorney fees and split the fine with the government. If you bring a frivolous suit, you pay that party's fees and costs. That makes a wedge issue that splits trial lawyers from the Dems. The unions might also support that.
    Diogenes Lamp writes: Monday, May, 21, 2007 10:35 AM
    This is ONLY a test.
    Some of you may have heard of this:
    There is a proverb that illustrates the way to quickly determine whether or not someone is sane. The individual is shown a river flowing into a pond. He is given a bucket and asked to drain the pond. If he walks to the stream to dam the inflow into the pond he will be considered sane. If, instead, he decides to empty the pond with his bucket without first stopping the in-flow then he would be considered insane.

    ....I hope I don't have to connect the political dots on this analogy.
    Dave writes: Monday, May, 21, 2007 10:34 AM
    What People Need To Understand
    This bill has to be killed.. dead...

    Parts of this, if passed, will end up in Federal Courts like a dozen Roe V. Wade's. Mark my word, the 8 year or whatever period for the zVisas will be ruled illegal, and a judgement will either declare them citizens or grant credit for their time here illegaly.

    There will be a dozen knives like this and in the end, no fence, limited border security, the english requirement dropped, no grading based on skill sets and no reporting of people here in violation fo this 'law'.

    5 to 10 years out, almost every trigger will have gone through the courts and every requirement that can be declared unconstitutional or racist will be waived by the courts.

    This bill is a laugh for people on both sides of the aisle.
    Joe writes: Monday, May, 21, 2007 10:32 AM
    It is not the end of the world
    http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=M2RiZGQ2ZTI3YThlZDdiMjUxYzEzZDFmNjYwOTMyNjc=

    Michael Barone and Jonah Goldberg are not freaking out about this. Michael Medved notes this bill rewards good not bad behavior. http://michaelmedved.townhall.com/blog

    You say that Ann Romney noted that immigration is a big deal? Why didn't she tell Mitt that when he supported McCain-Kennedy's provisions a year ago? Public outcry? Except for a small segment of the conservative wing, most people do not want to deport 12 million illegals. They want the system fixed, they want to deport criminals, but they recognize that the vast majority of these people just want to work. It is possible to glean out the good from the bad.

    I agree this bill is flawed and needs lots of work. An acceptable compromise is probably not possible at this time. But as David Frum notes--this whole effort has hurt Republicans. We are managing to alienate ourselves from Latinos and going down the road of the Know Nothings.

    This issue is not even registering with the MSM. The Lefty blogs are almost silent on the issue. They are not holding their breath hoping we pass this. They mostly do not care.

    jamil writes: Monday, May, 21, 2007 10:32 AM
    DC out of touch
    I really don't understand why DC politicians do not understand what the nation thinks of illegal immigration. They have huge staff, including online activists who should be even vaguely aware of the opinions. God sake, they even do internal polling all the time.

    If 75% of voters are strongly opposed to amnesty, it does not make much sense to give amnesty. Anyway, maybe Romney or Thompson seize the opportunity and lead the fight aggressively. McCain is finished. I could never support him anymore. He is unstable, old, pro-illegal, pro high taxes egoist.
    Bruce writes: Monday, May, 21, 2007 10:31 AM
    Romney
    Dean wrote: "The opening at the top presents an opportunity for the non-McCain presidential candidates, specifically Romney and Thompson."

    Nope. Not for Romney. He flip-flopped on this one, too. How can anyone believe any position he now takes?

    He's through.

    Bruce Sherman
    Oakland, Oregon
    NRA Life Member writes: Monday, May, 21, 2007 10:29 AM
    Immigration
    Hi Dean. You've captured it entirely with this line,

    "The idea of reforming immigration without comprehensively securing the border offends virtually the entire country."

    I'm confident that your words could have been said in a manner as long and as convoluted as the proposed immigration bill, but you've captured entirely the supreme arrogance of the Senate: McCain, Kennedy, Graham whomever, that are quite sure that they know what is best for all of us.

    I suggest that what would be best for them would be to live the life of a common guy in a place that has been overwhelmed by illegal immigration. Maybe if Kennedy had a stroke in Sierra Vista, AZ, and found that there was no local emergency room due to non-payment of bills by illegals, and he was not able to get an evac helicopter, perhaps he would begin to get it.
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