Wednesday, April 02, 2008
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"Obama's Abortion Extremism"
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Posted by:
Hugh Hewitt at
8:36 AM
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From Washington Post columnist Michael Gerson:
Obama's record on abortion is extreme. He opposed the ban on partial-birth abortion -- a practice a fellow Democrat, the late Daniel Patrick Moynihan, once called "too close to infanticide." Obama strongly criticized the Supreme Court decision upholding the partial-birth ban. In the Illinois state Senate, he opposed a bill similar to the Born-Alive Infants Protection Act, which prevents the killing of infants mistakenly left alive by abortion. And now Obama has oddly claimed that he would not want his daughters to be "punished with a baby" because of a crisis pregnancy -- hardly a welcoming attitude toward new life.
Religious conservatives who are not enthusiastic about senator McCain have to realize that in Barack Obama the Democrats are nominating the most zealous abortion-rights advocate to ever seek the presidency. Add to Gerson's column the fact that, as noted below, the ACLU-like Chicago Lawyers Committee for Civil Rights Under the Law (Obama served on its Board of Directors) urged the criminalization of protests outside of abortion clinics.
It is safe to say that the polices Obama would pursue as president and especially the judges he would appoint would represent the triumph of the most extreme pro-abortion point of view in the U.S.
From the fig-leaf of "safe, legal and rare," past the "safe, legal and don't care" that is the de facto position of most elected Democrats, to Obama's "stop the punishment of young women with babies and criminalize opposing views."
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I still can't find a good reason to vote for McCain. And I don't know about everyone else, but this you'd better vote for him because the alternative is worse is getting old. It's been at least 2 elections of crawling over broken glass. Frankly, it gets old. |
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"In the Illinois state Senate, he opposed a bill similar to the Born-Alive Infants Protection Act, which prevents the killing of infants mistakenly left alive by abortion."
I don't even want this guy as a citizen, much less a President.
Only an evil, twisted, sick mind could oppose a Bill like this.
Barack Obama is a rotten piece of garbage. He will never be my President, no matter how many morally and intellectually Democrats vote for him this fall. |
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or somebody did the night you were on H&C, this is a very big problem for BO politically.
A significant part of his support is disaffected Reps tired of the corruption/earmarks that the GOP has engaged in lately - they are supporting BO because they are looking for 'real change'.
But BO's little known ultra-pro-abortion/pro partial birth abortion stance will drive them all back to the GOP camp as it becomes known and thus give the presidency to John McCain. |
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the Left of NARAL.
He may start rounding up young children in your neighborhood.
What a burden they are... |
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I like you, don't like the idea of having to vote for "the lessor of two evils" so to speak; but in this case we are at an incredibly dangerous time in this country. I will vote for John McCain. Will I like it? no. But I refuse to be responsible for an Obama presidency simply because I stayed home, or voted for a third party candidate that couldn't win. If Obama wins the presidency, then we will have to deal with the consequences, but I would hope that we just don't hand it to him by not voting at all. |
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Gotta call BS on Briggsy. Some statements cannot go unanswered.
You and your ilk have liked to claim that it is ok to kill the unborn because they are unborn and therefore inhuman. You make birth the humanizing act, and hold yourselves to be morally superior to me because you support the free choice of women over the life of a parasitic lump of cells.
And yet now you actually lionize a man specifically for his record of promoting the inarguable murder of a born human being -- human beings who are human even by your very limited definition.
You are a ghoul, Briggsy; a filthy, disgusting ghoul. |
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Or is it G___ Damn America. I can't keep it straight any more!
I would give Obama the benefit of doubt on the "baby" comment about his daughters, if it wasn't for how adamant he is on abortion "rights." European countries do not allow third trimester abortions (aka infantcide)--they have moved on from Spartan Greece.
As for Obama's daughters, I agree with Barak to a point--having a child as a young age is a terrible burden for the young mother. Even if a young woman does the right thing and does not kill her baby, carrying it to term and then giving it up for adoption (while brave and the absolute right thing to do) is a form of emotional punishment. Alternatively, many teen mothers try to raise the child themselves--which while better than abortion often leads to endemic poverty and further problems. If sex education emphasized those realities rather than trying to legitimize sex between teens, most people would support it.
But Obama needs to court the NARAL vote, so he dances to their tune. |
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The left screams when we put a murder to death, yet when it comes to killing babies their are all for it. (did that baby ever harm a soul, unlike the person who kills?) |
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have even read the Illinois Bill that Obama opposed before commenting on it? |
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As often as they say "SAFE, LEGAL and RARE" they actually mean at the very moment carrying a foetus to term becomes inconvenient, killing the child is a permissible way to retain a life of convenience. In other words, this is a form of birth control acceptable to babakazama and a majority of dimocrats.
Executing charismatic dimocrats like Wesley Cook is a little more problematic...not that they have a soul but, rather, they have soul. This what liberals mean when they say there are a 'tousand shdes of gray,' or that they have a 'NUanced' position on some issue or other. Just another way to be a liar, a pig and a killer of children.
Has anyone sorted out whether or not Willie Horton will be campaigning for babakazama yet? I understand his advocacy on behalf of Michael Dukakis was somewhat flawed, but perhaps his heart (and soul) will be in it for babakazama...
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before reading this Hewitt post, I read in Obama's
book that he actually supported the ban on partial-birth abortions with the only exception being when the mothers life was in danger. That
was his primary concern to the legislation.
but wow, maybe that's too RADICAL and EXTREME.
maybe we should actually look at these issues
in full context versus what is snipped out and framed for a nice partisan blog posting by a
person who has very little credibility left
on commentating.
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I agree having a baby at a yound age IS a huge burden so how about we, as a society teach our young to prevent these babies BEFORE they are conceived. I know it is not a popular view today but I don't think kids should be having sex. It became fashionable in the liberal social experiment of the 60's to freely copulate with anyone anywhere at any time. However, in my personal experience, this led to a cheapening of the special bond sex is supposed to be between two people who have some modicum of emotional attachment. Our culture now sells everything from jelly beans to cars with sex. It is no wonder our young are confused.
It just occured to me, we obiviously have a drug problem in this country. As an RN I give drugs to help the pain. It seems clear we are drugging ourselves to stop the pain. Maybe some of that pain is the angst of unprepared, unfeeling intimate contact with a total stranger. |
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You babakazama supporters sould know that Bill Clinton, who is not even semi-black, yest is our nation's first black president, is mad at you guys:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2008/04 /02/BAVNVU2PJ.DTL&type=printable
Did you dimocrats really like this guy? If so, why?
I guess to Scott there is a way to parse murdering children. "Life of the Mother" by one partial birth abortionist has been construed to mean she will be 'depressed' if she has a baby.
So if dimocrats strings a few sentences together, murdering children in the name of convenience is ALWAYS justified.
Is Willie Horton pro-choice? A lot of dimocrats are. |
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... Obama wants to end First Amendment rights outside abortion mills by those opposed to abortion,
while McCain just wants to end First SMendment rights as relates to the ability to fund political speech.
And the big difference here is where? |
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John McCain doesn't have Willie Horton campaigning for him. |
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Even before Roe v. Wade, abortion to save the LIFE of the mother was legal.
The three things Roe v. Wade added was conditions for legal termination outside life-saving measures for the mother.
1) First trimester as desired.
2) Second trimester for rape or incest
3) anytime for "health" reasons
The same justice then released, upon the same day, a decision (Bolton) that ripped open the previous definition of "health" to include things like emotional "health" and financial "health" (and others) once again creating an exception that swallowed the rule. |
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but I would ask that if a foetus has survived the attempted abortion, and is delivered alive, what should be the preferred method of termination?
Strangulation? Injection? Blunt trauma to the head? How is the life of the mother threatened by the delivered foetus?
And, regarding methods of killing delivered children, should they be more cruel and unusual than those used to execute the filt in out prisons? Strangulation wass considered cruel & unusual by the dimocrats on the Warren Court. How about lethal injection? THAT is now under review for Its cruelty.
How would Scott do in a foetus mistakenly delivered during an abortion to the convenience of the 'mother?' |
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this guy is just flat-out creepy. |
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O.k. so called Great Patriot, tell us why Obama voted against the Illinois bill? To me, it looks like it was based on Obama's political and moral philoshy. I disagree and think Obama is an extreme nut. Why you ask? Oh maybe because that a baby who makes it through the abortion process alive is still killed is morally and ethically wrong. And you CALL ME a f..king nutbag!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Illinois has the most barbaric abortion laws in the history of mankind. The reason? Thanks to an insane state supreme court ruling, deliberately misinterpreting a 19th Century state law, you can LEGALLY "abort", i.e. murder, a baby in Illinois after it has been fully delivered outside the mother's body so long as you do so BEFORE the afterbirth is delivered.
In other words in Illinois you can completely give birth to your baby, get a good look at him, and then LEGALLY strangle him with his own umbilical cord so long as the other end is still inside the mother.
Barack Obama did not MAKE this insanity the law in Illinois, but at the behest of the pro-abortion forces he did everything he could to keep it legal, and to date it is STILL legal. |
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my post had absolutely no intent of debating the
merits of Roe versus Wade or my personal position
on the right to life (which I never stated BTW). I
just get ticked off when we build our opinions on
spoon-fed info designed to emotionally influence our own
positions when we should actually just sit down
and read more and get the full facts. Something
most of us all here seem to complain about the
"MSM" doing to us constantly. I find it harder
and harder to see a real difference between the
"MSM" and the talk-radio/blogosphere. Almost mirror images of themselves.
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that is pure BS.
You are plainly a seminar blogger.
Tell us the 'full facts' about strangling infants who survive the abortion process, dipstick.
Briggsy:
If you just think of handguns as handy implements for performing really late term, 40 year post natal abortions, you might develop a certain comfort level with the process of self defense.
Here is a heart warming story of a youth, who was not aborted, aborting a man attacking his mother. How would Norman Rockwell depict such a scene on the cover of the Saturday Eveneing Post?
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8VPRFC80&show_arti cle=1 |
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The abortion position by Obama will infuriate some Reagan Dems now if, if this position is exposed by more than blogs and Talk Radio. The MSM will not put this out in such a way that makes Obama look EXTREME. In Pa., there might be some Reagan Dems who will look at this story but except for some of them , what will this story do for or go against Obama? Frankly, the leftists will applaud his stance. It will give him more gravitas in the Blue states. At the expense of common sense, children, and political morality. |
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"In the Illinois state Senate, he opposed a bill similar to the Born-Alive Infants Protection Act, which prevents the killing of infants mistakenly left alive by abortion."
Obama is a gutless, vile piece of garbage for not doing what was necessary, not even casting a vote, to stop the murder of infants.
I prefer that he go straight to hell now, but there's no doubt that he'll go later. |
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... The "good" doctor looks at the image of the fetus he is about to abort .... Then he notices a sign dangling from an appendage. It says, "Got Hope! Obama '08." Nuff said. |
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How do Republicans stop abortions?
Easy, give the right to vote to fetuses.
Democrats will become right to lifer's in moments.
Because killing the baby would be the ultimate sin, DISENFRANCHISEMENT.
Which is far worse than being DISEMBOWELED.
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"The abortion position by Obama will infuriate some Reagan Dems now if, if this position is exposed by more than blogs and Talk Radio. "
I doubt that there will be a single right to life voter or member of a church serious about the right to life who won't be aware of Obama's history on this issue. Sooner or later, he'll be forced to explain or to try to explain his position - possibly after testimonials from the people involved in the issue have appeared in campaign ads. Based on past experience, he'll give some Dukakis-like technical explanation of why he thought that the abstruse and ambiguous legal issues were more important than a newborn infant left to die. He might even be moved to give one of his mealy-mouthed and unconvincing "reject and denounce" statements.
Even if he and his supporters somehow managed to give an explanation that doesn't place them far to the left of the American mainstream, social conservatives would be hard-pressed to justify sitting out the election. I think the odds are that cultural alienation from Obama himself as well as from his supporters would prove about as motivating to evangelicals as cultural identification with Bush did in '04 and '00. It could be decisive as in previous years in key swing states.
The one thing Obama has going for him in this calculation - which might otherwise make for a good argument to put before the super-Ds - is: Hillary. Here as elsewhere, instead of following her husband's example of triangulating, at one point she even tried to get to Obama's left on right to life. |
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Clinton won 70 percent of the white vote in Mississippi, 66 percent in New Jersey, 64 percent in Ohio, 55 percent in Texas, and 52 percent in Maryland.
Looks like the racist white Democrats are shunning the black man.....again. |
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This isn't about the baby in the womb, Brob.
It's about a baby OUT OF THE WOMB.
As in, you don't want the child? Fine, give it up for adoption.
You no longer have to carry it or care for it.
The Born Alive bill would have ended, literally, infanticide.
Obama is a sick individual for siding with the pro-aborts on this. There is no defense for Obama. |
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decide how to kill the foetus who survives the abortion procedure?
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Wow.
The depth of meaning in that phrase says alot about the Senator and his view on life. When my aged parents get too old to care for themselves I guess I will be "punished by their infirmity." Or if the fetching Mrs. Guano (not her real name) came down with cancer, I would be "punished my her sickness."
The meaning in all that is "Me, me, me, me and death for those who get in the way of me!" |
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Continue mentoring Bugsy on the right to abort fully grown fetuses! That is just hillariously good stuff!
Reproductive choice begins before the pants come down.;-) |
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Cry buckets of tears and hold candlelight marches for convicted murderers who have spent years on the public dole and on who we spend millions on legal representative for a bunch of useless appeals . . .
Are the same people who think it's just hunky-dory to kill an infant outside of the womb, merely because the butcher of an abortionist failed to murder it in the womb.
Endless mercy for dangerous killers and not an ounce of mercy for the most innocent and the most defenseless.
Gutless, brainless "liberals". Is there no end to their idiocy and their lack of any common sense?
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Q: What is your definition of "seminar blogger?"
Sorry - I haven't heard that before...
thx... |
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to a Conservative Blog, pretends to be conservative, and injects a liberal rational into the thread of discussion without revealing that he is a liberal.
All done to pretend to sow division in the ranks. THAT is what your post looked like. |
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Obama -- abortion radical
Yeah, the idea that the person who is actually pregnant should make the decisions on whether the bear the physical risks of childbearing.
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I've seen you reach before, but this is your all time LOW. Having kids is what women do buddy. Part of nature.
Without it fool, you would not be here.
The day we are hatched from an egg, you let me know.
By the way, I can see you know zip about medical.
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This is the democrat primary. These people are kill the baby, hate America, terrorist are victims crowd. Obama democrats are the air america wacko's. Bring it up again in the general when you have people who care. |
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And you'd be wrong there, too, because I actually support the right of American citizens to arm themselves.
You obviously support the right of murders to take the field unopposed. Again: filthy, disgusting ghoul.
In what sick way is it rewarding for you to be on the wrong side of every issue?
Do you feel some perverse pride at having perverted "liberal" from its original meaning of promoting individual freedom into "Liberal" with its demand for collective control of all thought and action? |
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ah - ok - thanks for the explanation. :)
but can't there be any views that are neither conservative or liberal that all can agree on?
To be honest, I'm still trying to define for
myself what exactly defines a liberal or
conservative which is one of the reasons I read
this blog and post once in the while. I'm not
quite ready to paint all conservatives as greedy
fascists, or all liberals as God-less America
hating socialists.
As for sowing division in the ranks, during the
GOP primary when everyone was still in it, it
seemed like that was happening daily within
the ranks themselves on this blog. And still does from what I can see. No "pretenders" needed,
unless most people are...
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I want to rob HIS house.... |
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You mean you covet beanbag chairs, lava lamps, raman noodles, eight-track tape players, bongs, Jim Morrison posters and the granola?
Or just the dope?
I mean the kind you can smoke, not the resident. |
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I am in Arizona, and have many issues with McCain, but once again I have to hold my nose at the ballot box because the alternative is so much worse.
As a Catholic and a Conservative, it blows me away that anyone can look at a baby as a punishment. Looking at the whole abortion issue, and speaking as a former fetus, hasn't modern science clearly proven that what is in a woman's womb is in fact a living being?
I just thank God that my mother chose to put me up for adoption instead of murdering me.
rsaling.wordpress.com |
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the value of the life of unborn children is something you will find NO conservative on this blog discussing in any nuanced way. There is no shade of gray to it.
Decide what you value and pick a side. |
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"hasn't modern science clearly proven that what is in a woman's womb is in fact a living being?"
I challenge anyone to look at an ultrasound at 10 week gestation and tell me it isn't human.
I can't imagine what kind of sick and twisted cretin could perform abortions. Abortionists are violent, evil psychopaths with no humanity whatsoever. |
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dope, you could plant some dimocrats in the side yard...pour a bunch of hot-n-wet steer manure.... |
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That actually sounds like a page from paddy's distant past... :-)
No, I have no desire to deprive him of his treasures. I just want him to realize how unfair the fight is when the bad guy is armed and the good guy is not. Remember that happening to an anti-gun politican, I wanna say in Michigan, who got robbed at gunpoint and did a 180 on the 2nd Amendment on the spot about a year ago?
He can keep his bongs and blacklights....
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is the law of the land, no such law would be enforceable.
So tell us, BJob, have you ever had a child?
I have raised two, adopted as infants, both were drug babies. Were I to lose one, I would be inconsoleable. Were one harmed, my wrath would know no bounds. I am also the sort of man who would go to any length to protect someone else's child. Even yours, BJob.
Raising a child is a series of emotional experiences, most good, some not so good. But only someone with an abandoned and malignant heart could kill a child.
What sort of person defends someone who kills children, whether in the context of our courts, or in the public square? |
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how about a 9 month old?
There are Liberals who believe that a foetus who has survived abortion to be delivered can be killed in the delivery room. Share with us your beliefs on that.
If you could kill a 3 month old foetus, why not a 8 month old foetus?
The arguments about "Convenience" of the mother or her "Mental Health" could also be used to support the idea of eliminating inconvenient children who are six months out, or 18 months out, or thirteen years old.
Why permit the killing of a 3 month old and not a 3 year old?
How do you reconcile that? |
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Am I the only one who finds it more than a bit odd that liberals will hyperventilate about the 4,000 dead American soldiers in Iraq but are stunningly disinterested in the staggering numbers of abortions performed in this country each and every year?
Have you ever wondered why liberals are SO CONCERNED about the American casualties in Iraq but don't seem to be too worried about the murder rate in many of America's largest cities, cities by and large controlled by their Democratic politicians?
Have you ever wondered just how twisted the souls of these people must be?
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The only good thing that comes from the fact that abortions are legal is that it's libs who are doing most of the aborting.
There are far fewer "little brobs" in the world, and it's hard to see a downside to that....
That's why the left is trying to get amnesty for the typically Dem voting illegals. In 20 years, they would be drastically outnumbered, otherwise, by family friendly conservatives. |
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"Am I the only one who finds it more than a bit odd that liberals will hyperventilate about the 4,000 dead American soldiers in Iraq but are stunningly disinterested in the staggering numbers of abortions performed in this country each and every year?"
No you are not the only one.
I would like to add... liberals also do not like the idea of the Death Penalty, but have no problem with killing millions of babies
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Imprison those who murder children? Makes sense to me.
And, at the clinic fire you describe in your fantasy? I'd rescue the 3 year old and fight like hell for the embryos.
Now, can you strangle a child, BJob? That you cannot is a contradiction. You are all for abortion---why nota do it yourself job? And, if the infant survived the "medical procedure" could you reach down and strangle the child BJob?
I answered your question, now answer mine.
If you cannot strangle a child, why should anyone else? Whey should we enshrine people as doctors who perform this barbaric practice? |
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This is a serious inquiry.
Can anyone explain to me how liberals reconcile the following.... Some claim to be Christian and have a very strong faith, yet they are the first to rip a baby from a mothers womb and kill it. |
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"See, call me crazy, but I think the woman who bears the risks of pregnancy should call the shots on her own body."
See, call me crazy, but I think that if a woman is concerned about the risks of pregnancy, then maybe, oh I don't know, she shouldn't have sex!
"Personally, I know of only one person who has had one. She was 16 and knocked up by her ex-con boyfriend."
See above...she shouldn't have had sex then.
"I doubt she would be all those things if you cons would have had the authority to force her to carry a child to term."
Gee, how nice to know that all it took for her to have a "good" life was to sacrifice the life of another at the altar of convenience. Riddle me this moron, why couldn't your lawyer friend just have given the baby up for adoption instead of killing it? The net effect of her being a good person would have been the same, and there would be a thankful child glad that it was given the chance to live as well.
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I have no problem with "easy and free access to birth control", nor do I have problem with "comprehensive sex education". As a matter of fact, I wish the government made birth control mandatory for any woman receiving welfare benefits. But these reasons are not the reasons why we have the numbers of abortions in America.
According to Planned Parenthood's research wing-the Alan Guttmeicher(sp?)Institute, the majority of abortions performed in this country are to women who have already had an abortion. Think about that one for a few seconds. The majority of abortions are performed on women who are having their second, third, fourth, etc, abortion. Does anybody honestly believe these women don't know about modern birth control methods and what causes a child to be conceived?
Still, all the challenges to me do not address what I think is the most interesting phenomenon-why liberals are shockingly blase about the destruction of 1/3 of the pregnancies in America while they get so irate about the death toll in Iraq. Pray tell, where is the sense of proportionality?
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There is one method of birth control that is 100% effective, and without side effects. That's right! No illness, no disease, no surgery, no scars....either physical or emotional, and the cost....? Zero.
Interested? It's called abstinence....perhaps you've heard of it.
If your women friends were a little less willing as fornicators, they wouldn't have to worry about being unwilling gestators.
You make me sick.... |
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the child, so it is not a matter of 'choice.' Were it trully a matter of choice, the male of the pair would be able to absolve himself of all responsibility forever...no child support, no alimony, no nothing. So, under our system of ethics, we ajudge men responsible. Not choice so much as a drastic mistake. Using Abortion as a form of birth control is a crime against humanity.
How many of these children could be adopted? How many fashionable sincere couples are adopting from China, Hunary Russia for a perceived lack of unencumbered infants in this nation? Or is this just another form of Liberal conspicuous consumption, BJOB? |
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Willie Horton.
Aren;t you the one who was moaning about Willie Horton the other evening?
Is Willie Horton campaigning for babakazama or not? |
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Any one who would argue that MOST women terminate a pregnancy for health reasons is either profoundly ignorant or profoundly dishonest.
MOST women abort their children for a simple reason- convenience.
Like most pro-lifers, I am willing to accord abortion rights to those whose physical health is in jeopardy or who have been victimized by rape or incest. But let's be honest-MOST women are not having abortions for those three reasons. |
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That's the most intelligent thing you've said.....EVER. |
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"Whatever . . . but the last I checked, that was none of your business, either!"
When she decides to slaughter the baby in utero, she made it my business.
By the way, are you so dull to think that the abortion procedure is without it's medical and pschological pitfalls? |
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Boob says this,
" If you "pro-lifers" were TRULY against abortion, you would be clamoring for the government to enact some of the programs they have in Europe that are PROVEN to decrease abortions. Such as easy free access to birth control; comprehensive sex education; a solid safety net so that poor women know they will be taken care of during the pregnancy; daycare, benefits, etc., so that there is no thought that the children who are born and not aborted will be a financial burden; and ease of adoption laws."
GOP Tiger says this,
"I have no problem with "easy and free access to birth control", nor do I have problem with "comprehensive sex education"
and this
"Like most pro-lifers, I am willing to accord abortion rights to those whose physical health is in jeopardy or who have been victimized by rape or incest."
In essence, conceding all that Boob argues regarding what a prolifer should do for a comprehensive approach to reduce abortion. And how does the brilliant Boob respond?
With this brilliant retort...
"This, of course, proves you are not REALLY pro-life. Because if you were, the circumstances of conceptin should NOT enter into the equation. A life should be a life should be a life. Ah . . . I guess some "babies" are more precious than others, huh?"
Proving that the "pro-choice" crowd isn't at all about making abortions rare. Rather they are truly a pro-abortion bunch who want their right to have consequence free sex preserved at whatever the cost.
Hell will indeed be a crowded place.
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As much as I hate to admit it, I'm kind of agreeing with you here, including the comment about Paddy's face (just kidding Paddy!). But not for the reasons you might think.
A woman's "choice" is between her and God. It is the job of others, including men, to point out to those women where God stands on murder. "Thou shall not kill" is pretty self explanatory no matter how many coats of "choice" you try to paint on it. Human life has become too cheap these days so a line must be drawn. Then it's up to our prayer and His will working in the woman. You won't see me waving signs in front of of an abortion clinic but neither will you see me giving Obama a pass for refering to a baby as "punishment," (absolutely amazing disregard for life in that phrase) nor rationalizing away pregnancy to my daughter as an inconvenience easily erased. You've asked over and over again why a "bunch of men should have decision authority" over a "right to choose." They don't, but that doesn't mean they should just shut up and let their 16-year old daughters run off to the clinic with the school nurse (or PE teacher in some cases). That guv-mint should allow parents no rights at all in this topic is just evil, and I will do everything I can to prevent that from happening. Don't expect me or any other man to shut up because we can't carry a baby.
Rights, including that to choose, command a price. The price for murder will be steep in the end. It is our duty as Christians to explain that until we're blue in the face. After all that, if a woman still absolutely demands the right to stand before God (as she will someday) and explain it was her right to terminate that which God created, let her, but not before I've left the Throne Room, please! |
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We can discuss abotion til the cows come home, but for our purposes here the only question is what kind of man is Barack Obama?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the baby in the process of being born during partial birth abortion? So partial birth could not be done for the health of the mother. Right?
Partial birth is legalized infantacide, plain and simple. Anyone who supports it is one cold basta--. |
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THEN EVERYTHING IS PERMITTED...In Dostoyevsky's parable,"THE LEGEND OF THE GRAND INQUISITOR",the narrator(Dostoyevsky's atheist intellectual,Ivan)
further observes:There will be centuries of lawlessness;free reason;of their science and cannibalism.Then they will crawl to our feet and cry out:SAVE US from ourselves!They will tremble
before our wrath(yet)they will love us~We will allow them to sin...We will tell them:EVERY SIN WILL BE FORGIVEN IF IT IS DONE WITH OUR PERMISSION:and THEY WILL ADORE US......
(Obamamania is ultimate expression of PM Democratic(Hillary;Kennedy;Gore and their lackyes like Reid & Pelosi)anti-Logos WILL TO POWER in mendacity and blood lust.(64,000,000 children aborted since Roe v. Wade:AC/CE 1-22-73)
Arthur McVarish, Houston |
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MAJOR HOT BUTTON?
SUPREME COURT JUDGES YES, they are major hot bottons, their appointment is for life, we cannot afford to have Hillary or kennedy on the supreme court.
America's Security cannot be trusted to the Democrats' leadership. They show no understanding of fighting global war on jihadism and terrorism.
Islamo-Fascists promise death, and oppression. It is ideology of slavery of west.
The war in Iraq and Afghanistan is not about Oil, is about American's security and therefore, you cannot put any price on your nations existence.
We shall pray hard for this country, and when November 08 gets closer, we certainly ask God to Bless America again.
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slow at the bathhouse tonight, huh Peak-a-Boo?
Tell us abou the time you joined the junior Marines, peakster.
Does the USMC know that you run around claiming you were a Marine? Might want to be careful about that, petroleum-putz--someone might settle your hash for that.
How is babakazama doing tonight peak-a-boo? Have you heard that your main gal Hillary Rod'em said he can't win? What's it going to be like with your domestic partner in November, when the dimocrats go down in flames again?
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Only the Democrat Party could produce someone as vile, unprincipled, inexperienced and corrupt and traitorous as B. Hussein O.
Seems to me that the jackass that's about to give birth to the malformed birth defect known as B. Hussein O. needs to get to the Planned Donkeyhood Clinic so as to terminate this unwanted, unneeded and unwarranted candidacy.
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Democrats are much more comfortable with being shameless liars/propagandists and have the entire media on their side. Easy.
Easy to get away with lies when the media covers for you and they do it daily.
If the Democrats are able to seize the power they so desperately want, unfortunately enough for America, their lies won't translate into results.
Democrats will bring on the disasters they've historically brought upon this country and they will be thrown out on their ear again, as they were in '94 and in 2000.
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"Bat, why do you say Obama was talking about abortion when he mentioned being punished by a child at teen age? In his next sentence, he was talking about being punished by STDs and the need for INFORMATION to avoid these situations."
You forgot his preamble to the above sex education reference: "if they make a mistake, I don’t want them punished..." Pretty clear to me what he meant with regard to a baby and a STD. To compare the two in the same context tells me even more about his attitude to things that get in the way the construct called "Me." If that's not what he meant, he's a very poor communicator thus not a great source of INFORMATION.
Regardless of what he said, it doesn't change the basic fact about abortion (= murder). To combat that, our church does exactly what you recommend the guv-mint do following the French model with a unwed mothers ministry. However, these mothers feel loved versus just subsidized.
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I give to a Crisis Pregnancy Center almost every week,to help teens who keep their babies, as do millions of other pro-lifers. Tens of thousands of pro-lifers have adopted babies from mothers who cannot care for them. The doctors should be jailed and not the mothers, as they are victims of abortion,as well. Proportionately most abortions are done on black women in the spirit of Margaret Sanger's eugenics. all states who have Right-to Life chapters can provide this info. That means the Democrat Party who has fought tooth and nail to keep abortion legal is guilty of black genocide.Peak Liar worries about rapes,150 years ago,and could care less about it today!Many minor girls are taken by the adult male lovers for abortions and Planned Parenthood does not call authorities. The recent case in Kansas revealing this was squashed by pro-abort Kansas AG and Govenor,backed with money from Tiller,the baby killer. He does 2000 late term aborts a year. 12,000 while we've been in Iraq. |
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Tuskegee Peaky's racial rantings are beyond your reason. All us white folks is the same...
That's no different than me saying, "Just give them some cornbread and maybe they'll dance," but he doesn't see that.
Maybe some bad things have happened to him; maybe people have mistreated him...., but I bet they never crucified him.
Wheneve you feel mistreated, look to the One who was mistreated more unjustly than anyone else ever has been..... He forgave.... |
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that's what you cons do. Protect a fetus so it can get born, then once it's a child, deny it a good education, healthcare, etc. Makes a lot of sense...NOT! |
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dimocrat, revile his party.
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Truthseeker didn't spend enough time in the incubator..... |
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has been on a bender, she posts 20 times inside 5 minutes, challenges "cons", and she can "prove it", wooooooo...., we are sooooo... scared, some drugged, drenched, drunk like you, the only person you scare, is yourself, when you look in the mirror the next morning, after being humped and dumped, this all coming from someone who proves daily that she is nothing more than a silly little girl, who fancies herself, as being intelligent, and isn't, as being a feminist, and not realizing that feminism was defeated in the 90's, and yet this pathetic female, is suppose to show us "cons", and she can "prove it", yeah right, the only thing you prove is that you are just a silly little girl, nothing more, nothing less, and further more, thats all you'll ever be, it'd be best if you keep those stupid opinions of yours at that bar you frequent, their probably laughing at you too, but, just buy em' another round, and maybe they won't laugh in your face.
ROCK CHALK JAYHAWK....2 to go..it's inevitable..
Hey 86, i've employed your rearrangement of "brob", Thanks for the idea, but the thought of that foul mouth anywhere close to a...our...well you know....sickening... |
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feigns disgust for "dixiecans", yet he is the KING of antisemitism, on this board, you sir are nothing more than an embittered, old man who's antisemite candidate, did not see the light of day, and you blame "neocons" for his very poor showing, he lost because he, like you, is a LOSER, and your hatred for "neocons" is only surpassed by your hatred for JEWS, you attempt daily, to apply your hatred to us, thats called PROJECTION, LOSER, talk to your psychiatrist, he can increase your meds, you need it. |
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Shady Oaks Asylum is, once again, missing it treasured Inmate-Patient. God, this gets tiresome. Maybe, instead of rounding uthe fanatic, we need to take him down to the Mississippi Delta that he so longs for?? |
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Obama's progressive apostles share vision of do more for each other whatever that sounds and makes us feel good about ourselves.
Expression of your faith, is to support the welfare madate of the Democrate party, by legislating all aspect of your life and giving all your rights(i.e., property, faith) to the Govenment.
Those conservativies that are not part of solution, therefore, are the real root of grievances have to be suppressed, or worse in the world of progressives manupulated, and labled racist. |
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you have already been dispensed with, and rendered irrelevant, that liberal fog your in won't let you see it, though, bjob.......oh, i just love that new moniker of yours....thank 86 for that, bjob....
ROCK CHALK JAYHAWK.....2 to go...it's inevitable.. |
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A complete molar pregnancy is never going to result in a human being. Since you say you are married to an OB/GYN, you should know that.Most molar pregnancies self-terminate (i.e. miscarriage). When they don't, having a D&C to rid your body of unviable, harmful tissue is not abortion. It's a necessary medical procedure.
Why is everyone foaming at the mouth? I really don't understand the anger, the swearing, the name calling. It's very disheartening. I do understand that this is an emotional topic, but if we care about life so much, maybe we should be nicer to each other. Just a thought.
I'm a woman and I'm totally okay with the government telling me I can't have an abortion for just any reason -- like I really want to be able to fit into my prom dress or I don't feel like having another boy, for instance. I think it's okay for the government to step in and protect its potential citizens. And I think that the right to life of actual citizens trumps the right to life of potential citizens -- which is why I think abortion should be legal in the case of preserving the mother's life and why I would save a 3 year old boy over 20 million fertilized eggs any day of the week.
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Yes, women risk their health with every pregnancy. Yes, sometimes babies still die. But I am with the posters who think that if a girl or woman doesn't want to face those risks, she should avoid getting pregnant.
I love that Brob is okay with telling a man who doesn't want to pay child support not to get anyone pregnant, but is not okay with telling a woman who doesn't want to go through pregnancy or raise a child to not get pregnant. This is such a clear double standard. Anyone with a brain should realize women get a free pass on this issue? Should men be required to care for children they helped create, even if they didn't mean to create them? Yes. Should women have responsibility towards children they helped create, even if they didn't mean to? Yes. Equal rights, equal responsibility I say. |
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Peak Liar has crossed over into complete delusion and paranoid projection. The Hater of honorable Souterners and all Republicans has derailed and gone into insanity.Imagine being so filled with hate that it permiates your being, I wonder if he has ever helped one person in his miserable life?
Peak Liar:
Condoleeza Rice says you are a liar.
Michael Steele ways you are a liar.
Colin Powell says you are a liar.
Herman Cain says you are a liar.
Star Parker says you are a liar.(and says it better than anyone I else I've ever heard)
Larry Elder says you are a liar
Jesse Lee Peterson says you are a liar.
Thomas Sowell says you are a liar.
Walter Willaims says you are a liar.
Shelby Stelle says you are a liar.
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Mississippi Delta rose up and washed Peaky away.
Is...that..a...tear...I'm...sensing...? NOPE, just a speck of dirt! |
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How extreme is Obama? His short U.S. Senate record is as Planned Parenthood-perfect as Senator Clinton’s and other abortion extremists’. Yet there is one area where he surpasses even the zealots: In the Illinois senate, Obama led the charge against legislation that would have ensured medical care to babies who survived abortions. Let me explain.
Most Americans have no clue that in their country since Roe v. Wade, countless babies have survived abortion attempts. An unknown number have been left to die alone on tables, in trash cans, in dark rooms — no medical care offered. Alas, mercifully, the U.S. Congress finally came along in 2002 and unanimously (both houses) passed the Born Alive Infants Protection Act. The legislation mandates that born-alive infants be given the full protection of federal laws.
Who could possibly oppose something like this? The answer is Barack Obama, who in Illinois sought to prevent the adoption of similar statewide legislation. In 2002 and 2003, he voted against such legislation twice, and then blocked the bill as chair of the Health and Human Services Committee. He denounced the bill on the floor of the state senate. Keep in mind that this is a man who supports government intervention for everything under the sun, particularly in health care — with the exception of unborn babies, or in this case, born babies.
SOURCE: http://article.nationalreview.com/print/?q=NDFlYzk5Y2E3YTB lMjlhZGQ1ZDZkNWM5MjU2ODQxOTk=
OBAMA, AND ANTICHRIST:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vUABKjAKFU&feature=related
OBAMA IN HIGH SCHOOL
http://www.superdeluxe.com/sd/contentDetail.do?id=D81F2344B F5AC7BBCF096CA0DA7380ACEFBD9A8640FDF475
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