The WV outcome probably should be no surprise. On the subsequent ballot, McCain's votes had to go somewhere. What surprises me is the apparent decision for the Paul voters to also go to Huckabee.
but the outcome underscores a serious problem should Romney remain alive and still viable after today's voting. Would not Huckabee ultimately throw his delegates to McCain and still give him victory?
If there are not enough votes left out there for Romney to secure the needed delegates on his own,is there any option remaining for us 3-legged stool conservatives to try to overthrown McCain as the likely nominee. To get to a brokered convention that would allow Romney to emerge the winner? Just asking. |
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Just goes to prove the old adage of giving a man enough rope.
If there were any conservatives left who would vote for him in November, he sure has kicked them in the teeth on this one.
Standare MO for McCain. |
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As a strong conservative this just fires me up against McCain even more. Couple that with Rush's endorsement and Dobsons scathing rebuke against McCain and I think we have a fight on our hands!!!
Rally the troops!!! |
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Another example of behind-the-scenes Washington insider politics, in this case denying a win to the principled base. McCain's tactics seem to be revealing him to be practically devoid of principle. |
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brush? Let's hope so. Let's hope those 18 delegates cost McCain the nomination.
Even worse than McCain instructing his people to vote for Huckabee was Huckabee BRIBING Paul voters by offering delegates to get his votes.
Depends on how the MSM plays this - but America does NOT like this kind of cloak-room maneuvering to overwhelm their will.
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You would have us believe that McCain was actually there telling his delegates what to do.
This is the same song that was sung after FL.
If Romney doesn't win everyone cry CHEATERS.
Romney only seems to like the American voter when they do what he says.
Poor sportsmanship as usual. |
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Unbelievable!!!
Can anyone now doubt what Huck and McCain are up to now??
Unbelievable !!!!! |
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McCain could get all 18 of WV's delegates at the Convention as a gift in exchange for favors from Huckabee. |
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You all have commented on McCains temper.
Today we witness Romney and Rush throwing a fit, and the day has just begun.
I'll make a bet. If McCain loses he will come out, be a bit disappointed, but give a respectful speech. If Romney loses he will come out, clearly upset, and claim wide spread cheating.
Romney will not unify this party, he will not even try. McCain will make every effort to bring all the republicans together.
It's all about character. |
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He makes Bill Clinton look ethical. This is a low dirty trick and will only further hurt him with the GOP base. Even if he gets the nod somehow by stealing it, he sure as heck wont get the base vote.
Be sure to thank Huck and McCain for 4 years of Hitlary.
Seriously he should resign from his Senate position and remove himself from the race. he is a disgrace to our Republic and a traitor. |
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Romney has no friends other than his Koolaid drinking zombie supporters. There is no way in hell a Huckabee supporter would ever support Romney after the millions of dollars worth of attack ads – breaking Ronald Reagan’s 11th Commandment (thou shalt not attack a fellow Republican). I suspect that there is no way that McCain supporters will support Romney for the same reason.
Romney is being exposed for the manipulative character that he is… Play a little fairer earlier on and I doubt that the bridges would be so utterly burnt beyond repair.
Go Huckabee!
Pro Life, Pro Guns, Strong Military, Secure Border, Strong Economy, Liberty, Freedom from IRS, common sense, etc., etc.!
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That is why he consistently speaks to the issues. He listens. He keeps his promises. He is genuine. He is dignified with a good temper. He doesn't try to hide his positions. He doesn't try to say he is something he is not. |
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First of all, you're wrong. McCain didn't win West Virginia, Huckabee did.
Second, THIS WAS A CAUCUS! When you don't have enough votes to get over 50% (as TrueHawk notes) your caucusers go elsewhere. That's the way these things work! This is no back room deal. I bet Romney wouldn't be whining if Huckabee had thrown his support to Romney.
This is yet another example of a spoiled rich man's campaign not being able to handle defeat. Nobody likes a poor loser. You Mittbots are starting to look pathetic!
LarrytheLawyer (thinnks you people should grow up or get out of politics) |
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There are enough passionate republicans out here who will vote for better than what Mitt Romney and his talking head puppets can offer. This is America. People see through the kind of BS that Mitt spews.
Go Huckabee! http://www.mikehuckabee.com
Pro Life, Pro Guns, Strong Military, Secure Border, Strong Economy, Liberty, Freedom from IRS, common sense, etc., etc.!
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don't like the wheelin-dealin huh? why, not mano-e-mano enough for you? So, when Hugh tells Huck voters to not vote for their candidate but for Romney, all thats ok, right..very macho of Hugh and Romney there...when it happens to you, thats strategy..when someone beats you at your game, thats shady, despicable..
Poor Mitt; allthat crying...Mitt's mommy is waiting to put a band-aid on his boo-boo... |
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This is a preview of the McCain-Huckabee administration, two arrogant, mental-midgets, doing back-room deals to suppress the peoples' will.
Huckabee is especially stupid. Gomer Pile has him beat out intellectually. And hey way they cast their "heroism" and "Christian values", then do something like this, is DISGUSTING.
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holding our noses and voting is the only way McCain will ever get the nomination.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=C0PpY4RhKd4
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The complete lack of intelligence from Romney supporters continues to baffle me. They act as if some dark conspiracy happened here. ALL that happened was that the McCain supporters realized they were going to be out after the next round so why not go ahead and get it over in the 2nd round. Does it matter if they supported Huckabee in the 2nd Round vs. the 3rd?!!!
After Romney spent millions attacking them both did you guys think they would switch to support him? I honestly hope you Romney supporters do start your own party because I don't want to be around complete idiots with no political understanding. |
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McBackstabber is headed for a loss in November if he gets the nomination. Then 2012 is for conservatives. |
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It is not honorable to conspire behind closed doors with Ted Kennedy and La Raza against the American people.
It is not honorable to try to rush an amnesty for foreign nationals illegally in our country AND their employers through Congress without committee hearings shortcutting the normal process.
It is not honorable to have contempt for the will of the people. "I'll build the G-D fence if they want it." |
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Romney runs ads contrasting positions on the issues and his rivals and their surrogates cry a river. They despise anyone willing to reveal who they really are. Will they now despise conservative folks like Rush, Laura Ingraham and others who do the same? How else are people to know? I respect the fact that Romney has been willing to dedicate so much of his personal resources to stand for the right.
It is the rare leader who is willing to take on the establishment and reveal its whitewashed walls and hypocrisy.
Enough of backroom deals and corrupt politics. We need change in Washington! We need Mitt Romney!!! |
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This guys goal is to destroy the conservative base. And some of you have drunk the kool-aid. Hope you can learn our new offical language--Spanish. In a few months, the full-scaled dismantling of America. McStains goal is to take us all to Hell. Thanks McIdiots. |
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What do you expect? This is POLITICS, poeple! If you can't win, you want the least strong guy to win. It is NOT sleazy, it is the way the game is played. Nothing backroom about it, no bribes or deals. If Romney hadn't spit in the face of all the other campaigns, maybe he wouldn't have such a problem getting their support. |
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I saw him on one of the news networks over the weekend and when asked about why he was encouraging Huckabee voters to vote for him instead since Huck didn't have a chance, he said I thought the idea in a political campaign was to win...sounds a lot like what the McCain folks were trying to do...win. And it's OK to keep touting that a vote for Huckabee is a vote for McCain, so you better vote for Romney, yet when the tables are turned as was the case in W. Va., where a vote for McCain was a vote for a Romney win, so the switched for Huckabee...sounds exactly like what everyone is preaching on here! |
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Shannon:
Indeed character matters....
Like not dumping your crippled wife and go for an heiress with millions and not getting into bed with Keating or selling out the GOP with his legislative initiatives.
I think we know about McCain....he will do anything for a coronation that he thinks he has earned/deserves.
I am as conservative as they come and I just cast my vote for Obama. (Romney is safely ahead in my state.) Never McCain. Never Huckster.
This is HARDBALL!! |
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Cheating??????????????
Why don't you rombots take a few courses in political science and government and then come back and post when you get some knowledge. I miss the FredHeads because at least I could have intelligent debate with them. Rombots are void of any intelligence.
The rules of a caucus are that if you come in last you have to realign with another candidate until someone gets over 50%. ALWAYS it's the case that a campaign will encourage it's supporters to go to one candidate or another if they aren't viable on that round.
That's all that happened here, and Hewitt and Hannity are spewing out that this is some kind of midevil conspiracy.
You guys have no idea how bad you're looking to America right now.
I can't believe I'm watching a political campaign commit political suicide before my very eyes. I haven't seen a meltdown like this since the Dean Scream.
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I hope John McCain wins in California. It will be good for this race and good for the GOP chances in November.
If Romney manages beyond hope to pull this out, I will support him (as I always said I would) but I hope you can all manage to due the same for McCain.
The differences between John McCain and Mitt Romney really are not that great. The differences between John McCain (on the right) and Hillary/Obama (on the left) are (as Victor Davis Hanson said) Grand Canyon like. |
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If you are seriously a Romney supporter, then casting a vote for Obama is dumb, dumb, dumb!
In the remote chance he wins the nomination, Romney's ONLY shot at winning the general is to face Hillary. Obama will mop him up. Obama will likely also mop up McCain, for that matter. And Huck. And Paul. |
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Someone had to switch to break the deadlock. Why couldn't Team Romney convice McCain, Huck, or Paul supporters to join them? I am sure they tried. Because the other delegates did not support Mitt Romney, that is why. And Mitt Romney lost as a result.
Sour grapes from Tean Romney. |
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you are such a hipocrit. you guys says its all about the judges and the conservative values. then you vote democrat. you are just vengeful hipocrits.
i am so sick of you ignorant a@@es saying McCain kicked his crippled wife to the curb. their marriage failed and he still pays for her rehabilitation. you people are not interested in the truth. your ignorance is just scarry. |
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you are so right.
the republicans have no nominee that will beat Obama.
this party is so fractured that this race is all but over.
democrats have already won. |
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If you are a Romney supporter what I'm saying is you should be much more concerned about the way Romney is reacting to the loss rather than the loss itself. Do you not see parallels between this and the Dean Scream?
I'm actually trying to help you out. You need to get on the phone and email and tell the campaign how this is looking. My utter amazement is that with all those highly paid political advisers apparently not one of them is able to understand that Americans don't like poor sports. If you lose you congratulate the winner and move on. Does his campaign staff not understand that lots of people are still voting?
This will go down as the stupidest political move ever. If you wanted to complain and unleash then at least wait til the polls closed in California where you had a decent chance of beating McCain. If you now lose California you can look to this and the Dole statement as good reasons.
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Phone call dirty tricks... who is really the dirty manipulative politician?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jk6IJS3QN34
Go Huckabee! http://www.mikehuckabee.com
Pro Life, Pro Guns, Strong Military, Secure Border, Strong Economy, Liberty, Freedom from IRS, common sense, etc., etc.!
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Have no honor or integrity. They should both be ashamed and so should the people who support them.
Its going to be a cold & dark day come Nov for the GOP. |
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A/B/S: No, a serious vote against Hillary.
Shannon: How noble to 'spin' it that he still pays for his former wife's re-habilitation. I wonder if that was part of the divorce decree or a pre nuptuial agreement?? I also wonder if the money is coming from his father in laws pocket.
I think as least Obama is true to his principles. McCain is decidedly not.
Anybody but McCain or Clinton. |
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All week Romney was trying to convince Huckabee supporters to drop Huck and vote for him since they were "splitting" conservative votes. By doing this he was trying to put together a strategy to beat McCain. Now, all of the sudden this backfires on him and McCain may have have encourage his supporters to go over to McCain since his strategy is to defeat Mitt.
I can't believe "Grown-ups" like Mitt, Hannity, et al are all up in arms about this. If Mitt never attacked Mike in Iowa then Huckabee supporters would have thrown in for him. This is the affect of negative campaigning. |
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Huckabee has been sold as a 2nd tier candidate bucking the trend. Huckabee supporters regularly post that Huckabee is hated by the "higher-ups" in the Republican party. The Ron Paul supporters, who have effectively been told "get out of the GOP, we don't want your vote" probably joined Huckabee since he was the biggest outsider. |
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I think you should be heading over to http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/ and reading their analysis. This comes from the same peopel who endorsed your candidate. |
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Why is the Romney camp so upset? All week they've been talking about how bad Mc Cain is and how Huckabee's supporters should abandon Huck and vote for Romney. As most Huckabee supporters posting here have said, there's no way they are going to desert their man, so that message was wasted on them. However, it appears that the Mc Cain delegates were listening. Once they realized that Mc Cain could not win on the second ballot, they remembered what they had heard on the radio, seen on FOX News and read here about McCain and realized you guys were right. So they abandoned Mc Cain. Unfortunately for you it seems they were only half listening and chose to go with Huckabee instead. Keep up the negative attacks, they almost worked this time. |
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A vote for Huck was a vote for McCain! Thanks talk Radio! My guy won..your guy still lost! |
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This is exactly the type of politics that we do NOT need any more of. McCain has played dirty for years. |
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How can you, in good conscious, support someone who would do this? McCain and Huckabee are still claiming that they're not colluding.
McCain was never going to get my vote, but I'm telling you, this makes me want to vote Democrat. McCain is a backroom, dirty-dealing politician. He will lose by a landslide in November because of his low LOW character |
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We know how the government works. Here's my problem with all this: Both Huckabee and McCain are denying any collusion in this race, and this is a LIE, pure and simple. If you can't see that, then you're brainwashed. |
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No Votes For McCain!!
What's the likelihood of anyone who has been called names for wanting the gov't to actually enforce the laws, to vote for those jamming amnesty down our throats?
McCain-Kennedy, McCain-Feingold, McCain-Leiberman. Leadership like this I can do without.
Carbon taxes, constitutional rights for Gitmo detainees and amnesty for illegal aliens await us no matter who wins, whoopee!!!
I will not participate in the dissolution of my country.
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Mitt didn't have 50% of the votes, so he also cut a back room deal with someone. Some of Ron Paul people went over to him. So, if Mitt won WV I guess everyone would have kept quite about this, right?? |
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Romney has spent tens of millions of dollars attacking both Huckabee and McCain. Why is it a big surprise that when it was clear that McCain would not win WV that his delegates went to Huckabee? Kick us in the head for week after week after week with your negative ads of mistruths, half-truths, and manipulations and you want us to support Zomney? Never. No collusion needed.
Zomneys need to wake up and see the light. America isn’t going to buy his lack of ethics and leadership.
Go Huckabee! http://www.mikehuckabee.com
Pro Life, Pro Guns, Strong Military, Secure Border, Strong Economy, Liberty, Freedom from IRS, common sense, etc., etc.!Go Huckabee! http://www.mikehuckabee.com
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Well, sources in the Paul camp report that McCain's votes were not going to do the trick for Huck. The Paul people agreed to come over in exchange for 3 delegates at the national convention. So the actual results of W.V. are Huck 15, Paul 3 in terms of delegates. |
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Didn't Mitt just teach that one to Huck the other day? Perhaps ole Willard should practice what he preaches, ay Mittbots? |
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Romney hasn't lied about McShameless's record. McShameless's record is a lead weight that he has to drag around. Romney said it best that three pieces of legislation that McShameless is most proud of are pieces of liberal legislation, McCain/Kennedy, McCain/Feingold, and McCain/Lieberman. How is that a lie McCainiacs? |
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and McCain and Huck said "screw you" to the people of Virginia.
Just like McCain has said to fellow Senators on the floor of the Senate and to the Republican party.
Its a shame that Huck is being used as a tool by McCain and the media.
In West Virginia, Huck gets by with a little help from his friend McCain.
Huck, you sucked up to Christians in Iowa, you sucked up to Confederate flag waivers in South Carolina, now you made a deal with McCain to suppress the voices of the people of West Virginia.
Huck, "if you arent being honest in obtaining the job, can we trust you if you get the job?"
Huck said the American people will reject the MSM and the politcal pundits, today, in West Virginia the voters rejected McCain and Huck, Huck and McCain said "screw you" to the voters.
Huck and McCain are not only screwing voters over in West Virginia, they are lying when they tell you they are running positive campaigns.
Huck and McCain's "Positive" Campaigns
http://youtube.com/watch?v=JrpDPnRjPbE&feature=related
McCain owns Huck.
Huck, you are being outspent by the Romney campaign "10,15,20-1" and act like its a miracle that you are in the race.
The milk is free when you suck it straight from the cow's teet. The MSM gives you tons of free air time.
Huck, McCain is using you!
Hello? "Maverick"!
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McCain and Huck need to apologize to the people of Virginia for using and supressing their votes for political expedience.
Punks! Talk about voter supression.
Remember whe Huck got pissed when Romney said that a vote for Huckabee was a vote for McCain?
Now Huck is just a hypocrite tool for McCain.
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This was the result after the first ballot:
Romney 464
Huckabee 375
Mc Cain 176
Paul 118
That adds up to 1133 votes.
In order to win you need half of that, 567. Ron Paul was eliminated, so those 118 votes have to go somewhere else in the second round.
Since it is reasonable to assume that the Romney voters will vote for Romney and the Huckabee voters will vote for Huckabee in the second round, it makes no sense for the Mc Cain voters to vote for him again, because even if they pick up all the Ron Paul voters they're not going to have anough votes to win and they'll be eliminated and only to have to vote again.
In order to win in the second round, Romney needed to pick up 103 of the 118 Ron Paul voters, since the Mc Cain voters would not vote for Romney due to the negative attacks.
Huckabee needed to pick up 192 votes, but he had a pool of 294 to chose from. Assuming all 176 Mc Cain voters switched to Huckabee, he still needed 16 votes from Ron Paul to win.
The final count was
Huckabee 567
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Big G is a Zomney Whiner. Too bad.
Zomney didn’t get 50% of the vote and you are crying foul play? Pleeeeze! What is the issue? Do you really expect Huckabee to send delegates to Zomney for any reason?
To suggest that the political pundits are all against Zomney is ludicrous! Zomeny owns Hannity, Rush, Prager, Pewitt, Coulter, etc. If anything, MSM has sucked wind out of Huckabee’s sails.
Zomneys need to wake up and see the light. America isn’t going to buy his lack of ethics and leadership.
Go Huckabee! http://www.mikehuckabee.com
Pro Life, Pro Guns, Strong Military, Secure Border, Strong Economy, Liberty, Freedom from IRS, common sense, etc., etc.!Go Huckabee! http://www.mikehuckabee.com
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Big G. Do you condone these dirty tricks?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jk6IJS3QN34
Who is really the dirty unscrupulous politician?
Zomneys need to wake up and see the light. America isn’t going to buy his lack of ethics and leadership.
Go Huckabee! http://www.mikehuckabee.com
Pro Life, Pro Guns, Strong Military, Secure Border, Strong Economy, Liberty, Freedom from IRS, common sense, etc., etc.!Go Huckabee! http://www.mikehuckabee.com
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Huck got an education in ethics as Governor of Arkansas.
And yes, Huck is a negative campaigner. For him and you to deny this is deception.
He gets all the free air time he needs, if he wasnt such a court jester, the media would've torn him a new one over his Confederate Flag comments.
He's being used, and when his time has ran it's course, McCain and the MSM will drop him.
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a whiny little puss. He eats his KFC by taking off the skin and using a fork and knife. That is the truth, and should tell folks a lot about the kind of person Romney is.
Jesus Lord save this country from phony used-car salesman who drip oil like Romney does, and whines and moans when he loses.
*America looks at Romney, and rolls its eyes*
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Unless Mitt's Manager has evidence of her accusations, she and her campaign need to stop spreading LIES ABOUT MCCAIN'S CAMPAIGN. This is what makes them unacceptable - they lie and distort other people's positions and this amounts to character assasination. SHAME SHAME SHAME - THEY LOST WEST VIRGINIA FAIR AND SQUARE! |
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I don't get it.
If a McCain supporter prefers Huck over Romney, and sees no chance of McCain winning, then what on Earth is wrong with him transferring his vote to Huck?
What, you expect him to suddenly switch to Romney?
This is NOT a football game. It's politics. And it requires more thought in analysis than blindly cheering for whomever you support. |
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McCain is afraid of a straight on fight with Romney...he needs Huckster to win...what a coward. This is what we can expect from a McCain presidency...deception, games and liberal policies enacted.
McCain is the weakest canidate possible.
To really top it off...McCain and Dole should run on the same ticket...for certain failure.
Obama could stay home all year and still win.
Republicans...it is time to wake up.
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