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Thursday, December 20, 2007
Rudy: What Went Wrong?
Posted by: Patrick Ruffini at 11:33 PM

Let me first preface this by saying that I write this as a Rudy Giuliani supporter. For a period of time earlier this year, I was officially consulting with the campaign, and I have remained a Rudy supporter since, though I’ve mostly put on my analyst hat when writing about the primary in this space.

For this one post, I will put the supporter hat back on. It will be that of a pretty dismayed supporter.

When I decided to support Rudy, the Big Three were McCain, Romney, and Rudy, and people referred to them mostly in that order. To me, Rudy was the best of all worlds: Romney’s executive ability combined with McCain’s authenticity. It did not surprise me in the least to see Rudy rocket to the top of the field. I always felt his national strength was vastly underestimated. His candidacy was a surprise to most. The hero of 9/11, his national credentials were unquestioned. And his positives far outshone those of John McCain, at least among Republican primary voters.

The CW at the time was that Rudy would fade after a withering assault over abortion and gays. That didn’t happen. Rudy took his hits, and many of the wounds were self-inflicted. But by and large, those issues were gotten out of the way early, which was to Rudy’s benefit.

When John McCain’s campaign imploded in July, Rudy seemed like a made man. McCain would continue his downward drift in the polls; his voters would naturally gravitate to Rudy.

In retrospect, the single worst thing to happen to Rudy in this election was the McCain “implosion.”

Why? Because the patron saint of McCain-Kennedy and campaign finance “reform” needed to be taken out properly. In the words of James Carville, “When your opponent is drowning, throw the son of a b**** an anvil.” Losing staff is a mechanical issue. It is far worse to have a half-hearted candidate than a half-full campaign headquarters. McCain’s lifelong desire to be President, to rip the lungs out of any opponent who stood in his way (even his friend Rudy Giuliani), remained intact. And that is all that mattered.

Instead, we now have a situation in which McCain has not been the subject of a single negative press release in five and a half months. For someone with 95% national name ID, and a base of favorable support, that is pure gold. The McCain of late 2007 has become the Rudy of 2006, the national hero who seemed above the political fray and nobody would attack. Since losing his frontrunner status, McCain has even seemed like a non-candidate at times.

So, what we have are numbers like the favorable/unfavorable ratios from the Fox News poll released today. Given where McCain was months ago, these numbers are simply astonishing:

* John McCain 69% (63%) / 19% (20%) / ( 50%)
* Rudy Giuliani 62% (73%) / 25% (20%) / ( 37%)
* Mike Huckabee 46% (33%) / 15% (9%) / ( 31%)
* Fred Thompson 45% (55%) / 17% (15%) / ( 28%)
* Mitt Romney 46% (42%) / 23% (21%) / ( 23%)

Pre “implosion,” McCain was once at 55-41% fav/unfav with GOP primary voters.

So what happened?

I hate to say this, but I don’t think Rudy wants it badly enough. He has a bit of a Fred Thompson problem about him. He hasn’t said anything particularly distinctive or memorable the entire campaign. His lows haven’t been very low, and his highs haven’t been very high. There is no one big thing his campaign is about — first, there were twelve, then there was a laundry list of his accomplishments as a Mayor; then, there were a series of issue spots that failed to move the needle in New Hampshire. You would think the guy who sparred with the media and his opponents on an ongoing basis in New York, who fundamentally got that leadership after 9/11 was all about projecting confidence and strength, would understand that Presidential contests are about narrative and confidence and conflict — not (primarily) about issues.

The whole February 5th gambit has been a metaphor for all this. As Marc Ambinder writes today , there were (and are) valid reasons to buy into the Rudy strategy. Who knows — perhaps perpetually postponing the Day of Judgment will leave Rudy as the last guy standing in this knock-down drag-out primary season.

But take a step back, and there are some fundamental problems with how Rudy is positioning his campaign with this strategy.

First, it gives off the impression that he doesn’t want to win. That he’s looking for a TKO rather than a decisive knockout punch. That he won’t go mano-y-mano with any of the opponents who matter. And that he doesn’t care about retail politics (in fact, the IA and SC blowback alone has probably contaminated him in NH). Perceived electability is not just poll numbers in the general, but how someone conducts themselves in the primary. Do they fight, or do they try and win on a technicality? That’s a proxy for how they will perform against the Clinton machine, and voters pick up on those kinds of signals.

Second, it ignores the fluidity of the race. Rudy was never the frontrunner in any traditional sense. A fifteen point lead in the primary is not like a fifteen point lead in a general election. It can evaporate overnight. John Kerry went from 15 to 40 percent in the polls after winning Iowa. It was clear from the beginning that the situation was simply too fluid for Rudy to simply run out the clock.

Third (and I’ll concede this can be temporary until Florida & Feb. 5 is upon us) but Rudy has missed out on the publicity surrounding the Iowa and New Hampshire contests. The coverage of Romney vs. Huck in Iowa has created centrifugal motion around those two, with voters nationally aligning on both sides of the Iowa proxy war. The McCain surge in New Hampshire is not confined to one state, but creates a rallying effect around him nationally. Missing in all this is Rudy. Just as voters tuned in to the race in November and December, he was totally AWOL in the early state-centric coverage.

It may be that we need to revise our theory of the early states. Momentum isn’t just about winning the early states, but also about competing in them. By building a proof-of-concept first in Iowa or New Hampshire, you demonstrate strength before the concentrated national press corps, and if it’s for real, word will spread nationally long before Iowa.

Now, Rudy was never going to do well in South Carolina. Perhaps the same was true of Iowa. But New Hampshire? If someone like Rudy can’t win in New Hampshire, where can he win (save for the winner-take-all states of New York, New Jersey and Connecticut)?

UPDATE: Jim Geraghty sketches out as good a pro-Rudy counterargument as any. In this crazy primary, it could still happen -- but it leaves a lot to chance. And let's not kid ourselves, even Jim's scenario was not part of any Rudy February 5th masterplan. Even rope-a-dope doesn't call for you to lose half your support in three weeks. His assessment of what awaits John McCain is dead on, though.



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Darvin Dowdy writes: Wednesday, December, 26, 2007 11:00 AM
Rudy's "solvable" Problem...
...Rudy needs to let go of that security blanket he carries around with the name of "Bracewell & Giuliani" embroidered on it. Let go Rudy! You're a brilliant man and if you do not win the presidency, you'll re-establish your career better than before. What has happened to that Confident Rudy we used to know lying in the corner in a fetal position whimpering?
Go down to Texas Rudy and break your ties w/B&G [and that slug Rick Perry] and while you're there, lose your Armani suit and wingtips in exchange for a pair of jeans, boots and a ball cap. Tour the border area and witness the suffering thats going on there as a result of the illegal invasion. After that you're going to understand what you must do, as you've always been a champion for truth, justice and the American way!
(give me a call Rudy - I've got some other suggestions for you - it ain't over till its over) Darvin Dowdy
no bs artist writes: Tuesday, December, 25, 2007 10:34 AM
Anti NY Bias
One thing both Rudy and she who must not be named have in common is fighting anti-NY Bias from the holier than crowd. To the holy rollers New York is as bad as Sodom and Gomorrah--wicked, sinful and just plain evil. That's why Shmuckabee is suddenly such a viable alternative--he'll save the white God fearing Christian America from these pushy New Yorkers. That's why city slicker Rudy is suddenly in big trouble.
KsReaganite writes: Sunday, December, 23, 2007 2:31 AM
Wu Wei,
I am a Mitt Romney man and have endorsed him in my blog. But unless you have served this country in harm's way and paid the harrowing price of being a POW tortured daily, you look like an ungrateful clueless clown attacking John McCain. John McCain has more honor, decency, and sacrifice for country than all of us here on townhall combined. Walk the walk before talking the talk; serve the United States and put your life at risk day in and day out before criticizing John McCain. Unless you have no honor, which I beginning to suspect anyway.
soulsamurai writes: Sunday, December, 23, 2007 1:22 AM
:-0
I think Rudy secretly hopes Huckabee will choose him to be VP.
elvis writes: Saturday, December, 22, 2007 9:32 PM
dont count him out
i dont want rudy...but he wins the big more liberal states..then who is going to be counting him out!? he has never worried about the smaller states! and dont count out-mittens"..life is sometimes very unpredictable! look ..common sense
if the demos have made more hits on romney..and many reports have stated this..then they dont want to face him..for whatever reason!if rudy wins florida..i said " IF " then he's in it..and on to bigger fish...it may boil down to rudy-romney battle! someone brought up a good point..lets talk about mc cains infidelity..like rudys, what about freds wife ? did fred do a naughty? i dunno know..is that his niece he married? elvis
roho writes: Saturday, December, 22, 2007 9:38 AM
This Is Not Rocket Science!
The same GOP that called their conservative base a bunch of "Bigits" over illegal allien AMNESTY, then tried to back door conservatives again with amnesty, and then took the position, "If we stack the election with liberals and call them conservatives, and simultaniously scare them with Hillary, we can keep our doner base and cheap labor!"

WRONG!...............When the last real conservative leaves the GOP burning building, his new address will be at a disclosed 3rd party location.

This is nothing more than a "Shotgun Wedding" between the Democratic and Republican party!
patriotic democrat writes: Friday, December, 21, 2007 10:28 PM
Gotta love
the discontent and dissatisfaction rampant in the Republican constituency around the country this election cycle. And that's because your party has no true values, except to make the wealthy wealthier off the hard work of the middle and lower classes, and to hell with the constitution and the little man in America.

You reap what you sow, as you religious folk say, and the reaping has begun.

-peace
meat writes: Friday, December, 21, 2007 9:41 PM
Needed in a President:Leadership
All candidates have some baggage and have made mistakes. Sit down, make a tally of each.
WAKE UP AMERICA!
These Islamic nutjobs spend every minute planning our demise. Bin Laden wants us to ditch the Constitution, follow Allah's and Sharia Law. There is nothing more important at the moment.
China is playing games with their military by testing us.
Rudy, like him or not, is the only guy who has done something in a leadership role that showed results.
I grew up and live in NYC. It went from a cesspool to safe and liveable. Rudy cleaned up the mob, held the police commanders accountable, told the Saudi prince to take a hike when he wanted to donate money if we denounced Israel, kicked that terrorist Arafat out on his butt and he has more energy than the others combined. His policies will be conservative for the country, and I didn't hear any complaints from the unions when the overtime was dished out left and right during the 9/11 clean up.
Name one leadership accomplishment that Hillary (I'm for the children...like who isn't?), Obama, Romney, Huckabee, Thompson, (McCain's was obvious in Vietnam, but not enforcing our immigration law is lack of leadership.) has that even come close to what Rudy has done in NYC.
Wu Wei writes: Friday, December, 21, 2007 8:10 PM
Media cover up of McCain?
"If the media spent as much time talking about McCain's admitted infidelites..."

That's a good point. I'm starting to wonder if the New York Times will bury that scandal story about McCain, like the liberal media buried the Bill Clinton rape story until after his impeachment trial finished. Druge originally said that the story would come out today, but no news so far. According to what was posted on Drudge it sounded like the NYT was thinking of covering up for McCain anyway, before news leaked.
budbud writes: Friday, December, 21, 2007 7:12 PM
Rudys Problem. PART TWO
Huck/Romney and their fellow socon fascists can't legally ban stuff just cuz THEIR religion don't like it, so...the new tactic is to try and price it out of existence. This just results in the well off being the only ones able to enjoy themselves.

If the Huck/Romney religious socon movement continues full steam ahead, expect huge punitive "taxes" on lot's and lot's of things "THEY" don't aprove of.

Off the top of my head, things like...R rated movies, M rated video games, science books, sexy lingerie, the internet, gay bars, literature "THEY" don't aprove of, visits to womens clinics, condoms, revealing clothing, comedy clubs where the comedians use "bad words", cable programming, vaccines against STD's(people should pay for their immorality!), make up (the Devils paint), even MORE on alcahol and tobacco, ANY and ALL sales made on Sundays, religious lit and products which aren't specifically Christian in nature etc.

The Socons are just plain old religious fascists. They are nothing more than TaliBANners with a different Allah. Ban it! Ban it! Ban everything OUR god doesn't like.
budbud writes: Friday, December, 21, 2007 7:11 PM
Rudys Probelm. PART ONE
Socon Fiscon Divorce?

Rudys problem is that the GOP, which USED TO stand for personal liberty has been hijacked by a bunch of religious nuts who want anything but personal liberty!

Rudy doesn't think the government should tell people who they should marry, what medical procedures they get on THEIR bodies! Yikes!

The Socons and the Fiscons are finally having a long delayed "come to Jesus" meeting.

These two groups have never had a happy marriage, and I think a divorce is imminent.
Just look at the news covering the new "Texas Poll Tax" that goes into affect in the new year.

Socons promoted and approved an absurdly high tax on strip clubs! Just strip clubs! Many smaller and/or blue collar oriented clubs said they'll have to go out of business. Socons have no problems with absurd taxes or killing businesses that they personally find "immoral". A fiscal conservative would never support such taxes and certainly not one so absurdly high. The tax requires ALL strip clubs to collect $5.00 per head!

Why stop there. Let's vote in someone like Huck/Romney and their religiously motivated minions and they can use punitive taxes to try and rid the world of everything THEY find ungodly and wrong.
KsReaganite writes: Friday, December, 21, 2007 7:09 PM
I suspect
what has happened is simply that more voters are paying attention to Rudy being a cheating, lying, unethical, anti-gun, anti-life radical liberal who used the public till to finance his betrayal of his family. Not exactly someone I trust with my tax dollars or my Constitution.
northlite writes: Friday, December, 21, 2007 7:04 PM
Rudy Sleeping with the Fishees: Sleaze
The main reason Rudy has declined is all the sleaze. In a nutshell:

Rudy Shtups Judi: The Movie

Scene 1: The Hamptons
Rudy Shtups Judi

Scene 2: World Trade Center Lovenest
Judi Shtups Rudy

Intermission: Police Headquarters
Now indicted Rudy appointed Police Commissioner Kerik, shtuping his own Judi(Reagan) on city time and probably on city property, approves a "protection" detail for Judi complete with two detectives and a full-time vehicle.

Scene 3: City Hall
Rudy Shtups the Taxpayers

This movie has not played well anywhere in America. Nor Rudy is sleepin' with the fishees!
SteveL writes: Friday, December, 21, 2007 5:59 PM
The real reason
Rudy was dominating the news stories and the headlines with his good performances in the debates, and his attacks on Hillary. That was the press buzz he needed to stay relevant to Republican voters.

What has happened lately is simply that the dramatic rise of Huckabee and Huck's fight with Romney has pushed Rudy off the front pages of the newspapers. I just did a Google News search on "Huckabee" and got 25,000 hits--that's how much press buzz he's now getting that used to go to Rudy.

Rudy doesn't have a dog in the Iowa fight because he had decided to punt on Iowa a long time ago.

So as long as everybody is focused on Iowa, the media and the public has started to forget about Rudy's candidacy.

That may change once we're past Iowa and New Hampshire, and we're into other states where Rudy has a good chance.
mike writes: Friday, December, 21, 2007 5:35 PM
Rudy Collapse
Regardless of his strategy, no candidate could survive the relentless negative press he's received (almost all unfair). If the media spent as much time talking about McCain's admitted infidelites, votes against tax cuts, intervention on behalf of an S & L that held family assets and made donations to his campaign,not to mention his present positions involving imposing caps on business "to save the planet," and gutting drug companies, he'd already be out of the race. The left fears Giuliani because he was effective on taxes, welfare, spending and crime. They don't have to worry about McCain in this regard.
Wu Wei writes: Friday, December, 21, 2007 5:15 PM
He doesn't want it bad enough
Ruffini: "I hate to say this, but I don’t think Rudy wants it badly enough."

Exactly. Rudy has shown that in action after action since the beginning. The fire is not in his belly to win.

One of the latest examples is that documents are now available showing that Rudy did nothing wrong in paying the security for his companion; there was no attempt to cover it up by billing to the wrong agency.

But the amazing that showing Giuliani doesn't care is that his office did not broadcast this information clearing his name, or at least didn't emphasize it, but instead a third party, National Review, dug it out of the papers which have released so far! So one of the major events which knocked his approval rating, and no sense of urgency within the Giuliani campaign to clear his name.
Wu Wei writes: Friday, December, 21, 2007 5:02 PM
McCain is not credible, he's a Democrat
John McCain is not credible. He's a Democrat. There's not a single issue he agrees with the Republican mainstream instead of Democrats on. Even in the war McCain sides with the Democrats and the terrorists by being against "torture" and wanting civil rights for terrorists.

McCain will go nowhere because he's a walking, talking piece of garbage. In the press release in the scandal he is still steaming about losing in 2000 to Bush. McCain's ego is so big and his mind so warped that he can't even admit he got beat fair and square, but blames it on some telephone calls about his personal life. That is crazy. This country will not elect a mentally ill POW to the White House.

McCain supporters usually fall into one of two categories. The first is Democrats and neo-cons (=ex-Democrats) who recognize that McCain is a liberal Democrat in most issues, so support him because they want a Democrat who is a little hawkish on military issues. The second type is the one who gets excited and breathes hard when they hear McCain was a POW. (Which is why he mentions it in every other sentence.) This blinds them to the fact that he is a mentally ill, crooked flip-flopping liberal liar. That's because in their minds a POW can have no flaws.
John writes: Friday, December, 21, 2007 4:34 PM
It's Rudy's baggage, stupid.
What Mr Ruffini never took on board, perhaps because he never lived in NYC during Rudy's mayoralty, was just how much baggage Rudy really had. It is no accident that in his home state of NY Clinton who has moved into the state actually beats him by thirty points. The folks there of whom I'm one know all about him and when the rest of the country knew as much as we do he was always going to be in trouble. The other thing that's happened is that a genuine candidate who appeals to value voters has appeared on the scene. A real one not an ersatz one like Thompson. And what's more he's as sharp as a tack and has a pile of executive experience. The appearance of this guy seems to causing panic among the Republican elite like Hugh, Ruffini, Will, Limbaugh, etc. but I think they'd better get over it. The only credible candidate I see challenging him is McCain which means a lot of people are going to have to eat a lot of crow. McCain was always my candidate so I'm happy with the way things are going but I don't rule out Huckabee. This guy has done this with nothing. And I'm not sure the Republican elite turning on him doesn't help him.
KGK writes: Friday, December, 21, 2007 1:19 PM
Safety first?
RG as well as McCain are still not done. One terrorist bombing that excites the MSM and the Dems will put fear into the hearts of voters. As Mike s and Inkling wrote, it is not over yet. It could go to a brokered Convention. RG hasn't done much as to exciting the populace ala the Huck, but either has anyone else in the primaries. Not one really new, exciting agenda has been proposed by anyone and only MR's religion speech had any media time. RAS notes that the Huck's numbers may have crested and who knows what stupid thing the Dems will say and do in a few weeks to change perceptions over night?
Con4fred writes: Friday, December, 21, 2007 12:51 PM
I know what happened
Middle America got a good look at Rudy and decided he's a city slicker.

It's that simple.
pt writes: Friday, December, 21, 2007 10:41 AM
To Bovertime

good point but I always respect people who have
opinions and then back with $'s.
sort of like when you are in a business deal ... until someone writes a check, it is all conversation.

second reason I like IEM and InTrade is they tend to be front runners on reality

finally, very good track record on what finally happens

basically both markets are saying ... this is going to be confused for a while but they clearly forecast MR will lose Iowa (I don't concur) and now they are showing continuing erosion for MR in NH.
MR has a chance to take it all if he wins both but if not I expect cahos and RG to re-emerge. MR is his only real threat due to MR's unlimited access to funds.
As I said above, if I am MR I am now really scared that the MSM is beginning to theme "MR lies ... a lot".
Media loves a story and JM is story today. RG, who they really like too, becomes the bounce back story ... maybe
Jacob the Syrian Hamster writes: Friday, December, 21, 2007 10:32 AM
The analytical case for Fred
Bob Krumm has it in a brilliantly logical post.

http://www.bobkrumm.com/blog/?p=1700
DesertDawg writes: Friday, December, 21, 2007 9:53 AM
Rudy's electability a fallacy
Rudy was never going to be the nominee! His liberal stance on the social issues doomed his campaign to failure from the beginning. The only reason he enjoyed the lead nationally for so long was because the social conservative votes were being split 4 ways. As the field narrows down in the coming months you will see that when other candidates fold tents it is unlikely that Rudy will be the beneficiary of their supporters. I don't personally dislike Rudy, he just isn't the man to lead the GOP. I also scoff at the notion that he is the only one who beats Hillary in the general. Nothing could be further from the truth! The similarities between Rudy and the left are too great for him to be able to energize the republican voters to come out to support him. Another piece of information I find that has not received enough attention is the fact that Hillary has already beaten Rudy in the state where he should be the strongest....New York. He did run against her for the senate seat she now holds and she kicked his butt in that election. Yeah yeah yeah, but he dropped out of that race his sycophants will say. He only dropped out after Hillary came from 20 points down in the polls and had built a double digit lead over him. He dropped to save face because he was getting embarassed by a woman transplant from out-of-state. If he couldn't beat Hillary on his own turf, trust me he never had a chance to beat her nationally! Good riddance to the biggest RINO in the GOP field.

Fred has hit his stride and is coming on strong. Don't let the pundits decide your vote for you. Give Fred another look. He started out slow but is kicking butt now. His policy ideas are detailed and strong and he is the only consistently conservative candidate in this race. He is also the only GOP candidate who has NEVER lost an election.
bovertine writes: Friday, December, 21, 2007 8:54 AM
pt - Doesn't Intrade
sort of limit your pool to compulsive gamblers?
pt writes: Friday, December, 21, 2007 8:46 AM
Today you bet $'s on RG

The whole key is if MR wins Iowa and NH. If MR wins both, great shape. MR loses one, damaged but mucho bucks, will say anything and elaborate organization may recover -(NH is bigger loss).
MR loses both, toast.

All campaigns have cycles ... so does this one. Pundits are not required to go back and read publically their words. If they did, you would see they are talking to talk.

Polls have value ... far less so in Iowa (which is why MR will win for reasons stated above). I always look at InTrade and IEM. A month ago, the spread for RG to win was about 8% then it shot to 21%, now at 2% BUT he is still favored.

The only thing I worry about if I am MR is if people have really locked in on his deep sense of insincerity. The FOX Poll internals yesterday were dreadful for MR.

Finally, RG and Fl. Voting starts soon and RG has a major organization and rock support in South Florida (40% of vote). He is going to be very hard to beat there. That may start the snowball and show why RG spends so much time in ND, Missouri etc.
bovertine writes: Friday, December, 21, 2007 8:28 AM
Inkling - your are aware that Rudy
basically supported partial birth abortion and funding of abortion? I would think somebody with a name like Inkling might care a little about that, but these days who knows? And don't parrot that Hewitt lie about the only hting that matters are judges(which I don't trust him over either). There's HHS policy, Federal funding of programs, justice department policy, Mexico city policy, Hyde amendment, and who knows what a Democrat congress would pass for the president to sign.

Hugh told us the same lies about Arnold, then he got in, pushed for a 3 billion stem cell project, and now the state is in 14 billion deficit.

Remember Bush and stem cells?

But through his press conferences you have figured out he's another Patton. The security canard.

What is his national security experience? Can you answer that please? Are you scared of him, such a big tough man? Because I'm not, and I don't think any terrorists are either.
bovertine writes: Friday, December, 21, 2007 8:21 AM
Rudy is far from over
as much as I hate it. He's a disgrace, but he still will probably win.

For the life of me, what is it about this guy that makes people think he's going to be some super terror warrior? Maybe if the terrorist is trying to clean your car window or do a naked dance somewhere. He's a lawyer! Is he going to take them to court or something?

John Konop writes: Friday, December, 21, 2007 6:52 AM
Giuliani-Huckabee could split GOP
Giuliani-Huckabee could split GOP

What do you think?

Politico-Hardly anyone saw Mike Huckabee coming.

At best it seemed the affable ex-governor of Arkansas might be able to parlay his debate quips and Ames Straw Poll showing into the second slot on the Republican ticket. If the “Huckaboom” continues, he may be a legitimate contender for the first.

Not only do polls consistently show Huckabee leading in Iowa, but he appears to be surging in other key states like South Carolina and even Florida. He has even started eating into former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani’s lead nationally, cutting it to just 2 points in the RealClearPolitics average.

Huckabee is tied with Giuliani in an early December American Research Group poll; Rasmussen puts the Arkansan in the lead.

READ MORE

http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/giuliani-huckabee- contest-could-split-gop
John Konop writes: Friday, December, 21, 2007 6:37 AM
Giuliani faces 9/11 backlash
Another Bad day For Rudy!

LAT-In an effort reminiscent of the bitter “Swift Boat” campaign during the 2004 presidential race, a group of New York firefighters who lost sons in the Sept. 11 World Trade Center attacks is organizing a political committee to take on former Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani in Republican primary states.

A leader of the 9/11 Firefighters and Families group met Tuesday with union leaders and political consultants, readying plans to set up a tax-exempt committee that would fund appearances and a media drive against Giuliani.

Jim Riches, a New York deputy fire chief whose firefighter son was killed during the attack, said the group aimed to raise doubts about the central premise of Giuliani’s presidential campaign — his leadership role on Sept. 11. “If we have to follow him around all 2008 we’ll do it,” Riches said.

READ MORE

http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/giuliani-faces-911 -backlash

angrywhtmale writes: Friday, December, 21, 2007 6:02 AM
Rudy's problem
is that to alot of people like me out here in flyover country, Rudy seemed "made" a long time ago, like his pal Bernie. Made. Long before the "McCain implosion".

Rudy was worth $7k when he divorced, now he's worth over $30 MILLION. Yep, he's a MADE MAN alright.
Dark Matter writes: Friday, December, 21, 2007 4:38 AM
Borderbill
Oh gosh. I cannot and do not support McCain. I'm sorry I didn't make that clear. lol

I blotted McCain's horrid memory out of my mind after his unwise trashing of the Constitution with McCain-Feingold (still haven't forgiven him for it) and his fool-hardy support for the illegals.

If there is anything that will get me furious with a politician, it is his or her trashing the Constitution. This is why I loathe democrats and cannot stand George Bush.

McCain's knack for such big-time bad judgment makes him unfit for the presidency.
Dark Matter writes: Friday, December, 21, 2007 4:29 AM
Editing error
"Or they are desperate to get a candidate they can manipulate (unlike Hunter or Paul)."
BorderBill writes: Friday, December, 21, 2007 4:26 AM
No True Scotsman Fallacy
Dark Matter, I suggest you look it up.

As to the Boston Globe endorsing McCain, do we need even more evidence that this guy is the love child of the MSM everywhere? Next CBS, NBC and ABC will be endorsing the guy, followed by CNN, MSNBC and Fox News.

Run away Republicans. McCain is not our guy.

Besides, in this day and age, who wants to be endorsed by the dead tree press? Seriously.
Tamil Selvi writes: Friday, December, 21, 2007 4:13 AM
stars and stripes
Again many are missing the point… that this brawl is not between individuals Huck and Mitt or Rudy and Mc, its between the RINOs and conservatives and between the conservatives and the Christians! Translating this three-pronged relation into a rationale, we can elucidate that without the elite RINOs and the power-brokering Christians, conservatives are gonna loose big-time against any dem, for that matter! Because RINOs will retreat to their country clubs if Rudy is dumped and the Christians will stay at home if Huck is ditched! The only way our party will unite against the dems is to make our "loose-tongue king makers" Ann, Rush, Sean, Hugh etc to shut-up and let the electorates diligently do the selection based on their true convictions about the individual contestants.

But it looks like that’s not gonna happen… because our king-makers are too concentrated on their show ratings, book sales and website hits! than about stars and stripes!

IMHO
Dark Matter writes: Friday, December, 21, 2007 4:11 AM
So many wonderful comments
It is laughable that someone thinks a conservative would ever support Mitt Romney, a recent ALLEGED convert to conservatism.

No true conservative falls for the Mitt magic show. To be a conservative, you have to earn it and Mitt has not done that.

Republicans have solid conservatives in the lower tier (Duncan Hunter and Ron Paul, for example). But the elitist neo-con/Rockefeller republican media has ignored or belittled them. Paul may have pulled the plug on his most excellent adventure by refusing to get rid of bad money (which he should donate to charity).

Huckabee's rise smells to high-heaven. It comes from no where and it cannot be explained. Though it is wonderful if it knocks out the sleazy neo-con/Rockefeller favorite, Mitt.

The movers and shakers in the republican party may have thrown Huck to the front of the line in order to ensure a democrat win. Yes, my friends, they do like the democrats very much.

Or these are desperate they get a candidate they manipulate (unlike like Hunter or Paul). Huck looks to be putty in their hands.

The neo-cons (aka neo-Rockefeller republicans) are destroying the party in preference to letting the conservatives have it. They have gotten an unexpected boost from the development of the internet, cable TV, and Talk Radio.

Having quickly gotten control of it at the outset, they have muscled out the Goldwater/Reagan voice from their media monsters like Salem Radio Broadcasting, Townhall, and the Wall Street Journal.

This is how they kept the top tier loaded with their guys for so long.

It is all somewhat exciting and the Fat Lady hasn't sung.


Jorge writes: Friday, December, 21, 2007 3:18 AM
McCain is a moderate liberal RINO?
What does that make Romney?

Both the Boston Herald (conservative) and the Boston (yes, Boston) Globe, have come out for McCain. (Was this reported by Hugh?)

http://www.townhall.com/news/politics-elections/2007/12/20/ boston_herald_endorses_mccain

In other words, neither side likes Romney, in his home state. This just isn't good news.

Iowa is lost. New Hampshire is lost.

Must be hard on the (few?) actual Romney lovers (as opposed to the opportunists), getting caught up in the euphoria, whipped up by the cruel hype of the eliterati, only to have hopes smashed as the realization hits home that there is just no way that Romney will ever be nominated by the GOP.

Hugh has once again backed the wrong horse.

BTW, why the obsession with fantasizing about what the democrats want or welcome?

+ + +
HNAV writes: Friday, December, 21, 2007 2:21 AM
CDUBBER !
I must have been writing the same conception as you...

Do some of those providing comments, realize how desperate they look with the old 'con' ?
HNAV writes: Friday, December, 21, 2007 2:19 AM
Jorge?
The Globe is from Boston?

It is amusing, some who post comments here, would promote the designs of the Democrats running these liberal papers, pushing a moderate-liberal RINO like McCain.

Are these comments made by liberals?

Is the ugly name used to demean Our fine President, 'Jorge' created by a liberal, hoping to sway Conservative votes?

Either way, I will remember the 'mittens' folly, and the prediction of a McCain victory.

Wouldn't surprise me, as it is such an 'OPEN' voting process, and many Democrats are afraid of Romney and Rudy, and would welcome the McCain folly...
CDubber writes: Friday, December, 21, 2007 2:16 AM
Jorge
Only an idiot or a Democrat heeds the endorsements of the Leftist press (i.e. newspapers).

Which are you? Or are you both? (I have a guess...)

The smart conservative notes these endorsements and runs the other way.
HNAV writes: Friday, December, 21, 2007 2:13 AM
Rudy not said anything distinctive?
Mr. Ruffini I enjoyed this read.

A great beginning until we reached the polls.

Polls are terrible.

Your theory is sound, that McCain was left untouched.

But this probably has a mistaken lean towards a higher Democrat sampling, as that would explain why McCain is getting a bump on these issues.

McCain has been running to the left now, in NH, with Democrat Partisans in the Press, choosing him to weaken the candidacy of the other Republicans they do not approve of.

We expected it from the Register and the Globe.

McCain has even been pushing populism, and Global Warming hype.

I don't doubt Rudy has slipped, but he may have been the most articulate on the GWOT, for Iraq, condemning the folly of the Democrats - especially the first to challenge Hillary so boldly, than anyone on the stage in those Debates.

He was bound to slip, being the Celebrity Name in the Race for so long.

And took a big hit, with revelations about his affair, having some improper image of protection funding for the girlfriend.

McCain is self serving, and really a disaster as a Republican in the Senate for 24 years.

He has no chance to offer 'change' to anyone, and is weak on taxation, immigration, etc...

He should have gotten out, as gracefully and early as Tancredo has.

I also feel Rudy's slide is based on the rise of Mitt Romney, who has impressed many Conservatives.

We shall see, it is an interesting race.


CDubber writes: Friday, December, 21, 2007 2:08 AM
richard_223
Wow, a story almost entirely about Giuliani and McCain, and richard_223 manages to make it about Romney. Again. In the very first comment.

Talk about a man-crush.

SEND IN THE TROLLS!
Jorge writes: Friday, December, 21, 2007 1:51 AM
Et Tu, Globe?
Looks like the Globe has endorsed McCain, making both major NE papers for him (and against Romney). Romney won't even win a primary in the NE.

Say goodnight, Mittens.

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Will88 writes: Friday, December, 21, 2007 1:36 AM
I said nothing about what I care
more about, or less about. I simply gave an opinion about why we've seen shifting positions recently among the Republican primary candidates.

But Rudy rose on the national name recognition gained during 9/11, and he's fallen as people began to look beyond 9/11 to other issues important to Republican and Independent voters. And many haven't liked what they've seen.

inkling writes: Friday, December, 21, 2007 1:24 AM
Will88
The fact that you have the luxury to care more about gay rights than national defense shows why Rudy has faded. As soon as the positive results from the Surge were in, the American people began their second "Vacation from History."

http://www.exurbanleague.com
Will88 writes: Friday, December, 21, 2007 1:06 AM
Borderbill is right!
Most voters paid little attention to the primary races until the last few weeks. This shifting of positions reflects a closer look taken by the voters. Did anyone seriously believe that a open borders, pro-abortion, pro-gay rights, anti-gun rights RINO was going to waltz to the nomination?

I am surprised that Huckabee has made the biggest move upward, but there is still time for voters to take a closer look at him. And I still believe the open borders past of Huckabee and McCain will drag them both down in the standings before Iowa and NH.

Now clear frontrunner now.
BorderBill writes: Friday, December, 21, 2007 12:53 AM
Flap
What are the lottery numbers for tomorrow?
BorderBill writes: Friday, December, 21, 2007 12:53 AM
MikeS
You watch too much television and then think too highly of yourself.
Flap writes: Friday, December, 21, 2007 12:53 AM
GOP May Cease To Exist
If it is Mitt or Mike the GOP will lose like George McGovern in 1972.

GOP registrations will plummet faster than Rudy's poll numbers and the Congress will be Democrat controlled for another 40 years.

Count on it.
MikeS writes: Friday, December, 21, 2007 12:46 AM
here's the deal, folks
We are watching the Republican party commit suicide before our eyes. Rudy remains the candidate with the best shot of beating the Democrats. But you don't want him. McCain, my personal choice, has the next bet shot and is the guy with the most integrity in this race. But you don't want him either. So it's going to be one of the two pygmies, Mitt and Huck. I'm glad I'm an independent, because I'd be embarrassed with one of those two bozos as my party's candidate.

I think I'm going to write a book about Mitt and Huck: "A doofus in the White House?" because that's what your about to get. Only it won't happen since the Dems win in a landslide against one of these two.
inkling writes: Friday, December, 21, 2007 12:38 AM
It's much simpler than this, Patrick.
Rudy is the defense candidate. His decline in the polls charts perfectly with the decline in Iraqi violence. The nation isn't thinking about terror, nor defense. I think that is a big mistake, but there it is. And if national defense and preparedness isn't issue #1, voters start looking at non-entities like Huck.

I still think Rudy is the best person to fix the "broken windows" of Washington D.C. But as a nation, we feel safe. We don't need a tough SOB (I say that as a compliment) anymore, but now want a touchy-feely preacher in a sweater vest. Of course the second after something bad goes down, we'll regret it. Badly.

http://exurbanleague.com
BorderBill writes: Friday, December, 21, 2007 12:36 AM
You overthink it.
That's the problem with political analysts.

It's so simple that its hard to accept.

Most people, except us political junkies, don't pay attention until right around now, because they need to vote soon.

As soon as folks like my mom and dad start paying attention, they learn about Rudy and what he stands for. My parents, 5 months ago, were Rudy supporters. Now, I don't know who they support but when the started paying attention, they found out Rudy was no pro-life. Suffice it to say, they immediately became anybody but Rudy.

It's that simple. People pay more attention when they are coming down to decision time.
Vorpal writes: Friday, December, 21, 2007 12:05 AM
How are you supposed to read the
table of percentages, parentheses and slash marks in the table that Ruffini posted?
richard_223 writes: Thursday, December, 20, 2007 11:48 PM
I 'Saw' It With Mine Own Two Eyes
What's this post all about. Hugh says its a two man race between Mitt and Rudy, so Rudy can't be falling behind, it is just not possible, Hugh is never wrong.

I don't understand this post.
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