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Friday, April 25, 2008
Providing Context For Reverend Wright: The New Audio Of His Sermons
Posted by: Hugh Hewitt at 7:17 PM
In his interview with Bill Moyers, Pastor Jeremiah Wright blasted the media for failing to provide context to his much-condemned remarks.

On today's show I played great portions of his sermons from April 13, 2004 and from September 16, 2001.  I will post the audio here later.  

Pastor Wright  has a legitimate complaint that only sound bytes have been played, but until today I had no other material to work with.  The pastor could help us all if he would release recordings of all of his sermons, and Moyers ought to have asked for just that.  If you are going to mount the defense of "out of context," then provide the context.

Please be aware that due to technical issues beyond our control, there is a thirty second ad at the beginning of each clip.

Jeremiah Wright - 4-13-03 - Cut 1 - Jesus' enemies

And they could not see the thing that make for peace. We keep forgetting, we keep forgetting, and we need ot remember, Jerome Ross wrote about it, I keep reminding you of it, write it down so you don't forget, these people had, in Luke 19, an occupying army living in their country. Jesus, in Verse 43, calls them their enemies. Say enemies (crowd responds). Their enemies had all the political power. Remember, they had to send Jesus to a court presided over by the enemy, a provisional governor appointed by their enemies, ran the civic and the political affairs of their capitol. He had him backing him up an occupying army with superior soldiers. They were commandos trained in urban combat, and trained to kill on command. Remember, it was soldiers of the 3rd Marine Regiment of Rome who had fun with Jesus, who was mistreated as a prisoner of war, an enemy of the occupying army stationed in Jerusalem, to ensure the mopping up action of Operation Israeli Freedom. These people were blinded by the culture of war. Do you know what it is like to live under military rule 24/7, 365? These people were blinded by their circumstance of oppression. Their enemies not only had all of the political power, with Governor Pontius Pilate, y'all call him Pontius Pilate. He's Italian, Pontius Pilate. Pontius Pilate was running the provisional government. Their enemies also had the military power. They not only had political power, they had the military power. It was Roman soldiers who kept Jesus up all night. It was the Italian army who led Jesus out to Calvary on Friday morning. It was the occupying military brigade who forced Simon of Sirene to carry the cross for Jesus. These people were tired of their oppression, they wanted the enemy up out of their land. Some of them did, some of them did not. The businessmen did not, those in bed with the enemy, let's be clear. But the average citizen wanted them out, and they also wanted revenge. They wanted their king to get this military monkey off their backs. They wanted a regime change, if you will, and look what they called Jesus. Look at it in Verse 38. They called Jesus the king. Look at it, look at it. Look at Verse 38. They called him the king. Blessed is the king who comes in the name of the Lord. They wanted their king, see, their king, they saw God, the Lord, getting ready to do something about their situation. Blinded by the pain of their situation, they could not see the things that make for peace, y'all. So Jesus cried.

Jeremiah Wright - 4-13-03 - Cut 2 - Military making war for peace is like raping for virginity.

Let me help you with something. Let me help you. Let me help you. The military does not make for peace. The military only keeps the lid on for a little while. The military doesn't make for peace. And the absence of armed resistance doesn't mean the presence of genuine peace. Somebody needs to hear me tonight. You're not hearing me. War does not make for peace. We said that in the 11:00 service. Fighting for peace is like raping for virginity. War does not make for peace, war only makes for escalating violence, and a mindset to pay the enemy back by any means necessary when your wife or your children have been crushed by the enemy.  When your mother or your father have been mowed down by the military, peace is not on your mind, paybacks is the only game in town. You just bide your time, and you wait for your opportunity, but somebody is going to pay dearly for the permanent damage that has come into your life, and wrecked your world, as it rocked your world. Military might doesn't make for peace, war does not make for peace, occupying somebody else's country doesn't make for peace. Killing those who fought to protect their own homes doesn't make for peace. Press conferences claiming victory do not make for peace. Regime change, substituting one tyrant for another tyrant, with the biggest tyrant pulling the puppet strings of all the tyrants, that does not make for peace. Colonizing a country does not make for peace. If you don't believe me, look at Haiti, look at Puerto Rico, look at Angola, look at Zimbabwe, look at Kenya, look at Astabors(?) and South Africa. Colonization does not make for peace. Occupation does not make for peace. And subjugation only makes for a temporary silence. It does not make for peace.

Jeremiah Wright - 4-13-03 - Cut 3 - crusade and jihad are one and the same.

Now if you don't mind, if you don't mind, I'm going to hang out here, homiletically for just a little while, and then I'm going to let you go home. I have got to pause here, however, as a pastor, because a lot of people still confused 2,000 years later. They still confuse God with their government. Now see, we can see clearly the confusion in the mind of a few Muslims, and please notice, I did not say all Muslims, I said a few Muslims, who see Allah as condoning killing, and killing any and all who don't believe what they believe. They call it jihad. We can see clearly the confusion in their minds, but we cannot see clearly what it is that we do. We call it crusade when we turn right around and say that our God condones the killing of innocent civilians as a necessary means to an end. We say that God understands collateral damage. We say that God knows how to forgive friendly fire. We say that God will bless the shock and awe as we take over, unilaterally, another country, calling it a coalition government, we've got three guys from Australia, going against the United Nations, going against the majority of Christians, Muslims and Jews throughout the world, making a preemptive strike in the name of God. We cannot see, however, what we are doing is the same thing al Qaeda is doing under a different colored flag, calling on the name of a different God to sanction and approve our murder and our mayhem.

Jeremiah Wright - 4-13-03 - Cut 4 - This government lies, Part 1.

Now let me tell you something, let me tell you something, Jesus said something about that, too. Oh, yes he did. Jesus said, Jesus said how can you see the speck in your brother's eye, and can't see the log in your own eye? Well, I submit to you that we can't see it, first of all, because we don't see nobody who don't look like us, dress like us, talk like us, worship like us, as brother. And Jesus calls them brother. We demonize them, and that makes it all right to kill them, because our God is against demons. Then, we can't see the speck, most of all, because we equate our government with our God. We confuse government and God. Let me, let me, let me tell you something. We believe in this country, and we teach our children that God sent us to this promised land. He sent us to take this country from the Arawak, the Susquehannock, the Apache, the Commanche, the Cherokee, the Seminole, the Choctaw, the Hopi, and the Arapaho. We confuse government and God. We believe God sanctioned the rape and robbery of an entire continent. We believe God ordained African slavery. We believe God makes Europeans superior to Africans, and superior to everybody else, too, because we confuse God and government. We said in our founding documents as a government, we hold these truths to be self-evident that all men are created equal. Created, that means God, and endowed with a certain inalienable right, that means given by God. And then we define Africans in those same documents are 3/5ths of a person. We believe God approved of African slavery. We believe God approved segregation. We believe God approved Apartheid, and the doctrine which says all men are created more equal than other men, and we talking about white men. We confuse God and government. We believe God approves of 6% of the people on the face of this Earth, controlling all of the resources on the face of this Earth, while the other 94% live in poverty and squalor, while we give trillions of dollars of tax breaks to the white rich. We believe God was a founding member of the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund. Look at the lilly-whiteness of the G7 nations the next time you see a picture, and then tell me if you see anything wrong with that picture when you hold it up against a picture of the color of the world's population. We confuse God and government. We believe God is on the side of the wealthy. We believe it's all right to send our military to fight, and if necessary, to die in Iraq and anywhere else we decide is a part of the axis of evil, while George W. cuts the military benefits so that when those boys and girls come back home, they can be as bad off as some of the Iraqis that we just liberated. We confuse God and government. We do. We believe. We believe. We believe we have a right to Iraqi oil. We believe we have a right to Venezuelan oil. We believe we've got a right to all the oil on the face of the Earth, and we've got the military to take it if necessary. Or as George W. piously says, as God so leads him. We're confusing God and government. We believe it is all right to decimate the Afro-Colombian community by arming the paramilitary with United States tax dollars, our dollars, a hired military whose real job is to protect the oil line owned by United States companies tied to the presidency, which was stolen by the oil interest. We confusing God and government. And it gets worse, it gets worse. We've got a paranoid group of patriots in power that now, in the interests of homeland stupidity, I mean homeland security, excuse me, they are taking away the Constitutional right of free speech, because it's harmful to the interests of national security. And those interests equate God with government. Our money says In God We Trust, and our military says we will kill you under the orders of our commander-in-chief if you dare to believe otherwise. We are still confusing God and government in the year 2003, just like they're confusing it in Luke 19. Well, in case you are in that great number, and I understand from the polls, that the numbers have gone up, still confused. If you're in that number of confused folk, two thousand years after Christ, let me share three quick things with you, just to help clear up your confusion. Turn to your neighbor and say, now listen, you've got to say it right, say it with attitude and ebonics, say, say he (audience responds). Sydney help somebody (audience responds). Tonight (audience responds). Turn on the other side and say fidna (audience responds). Governments, number one, governments lie (applause).  

Jeremiah Wright - 4-13-03 - Cut 5 - This government lies, Part 2.

This government lied about their belief that all men were created equal. The truth is, they believed all white men were created equal. The truth is, they did not believe that even white women were created equal, in creation nor in civilization. The government had to pass an amendment to the Constitution to get white women the vote. Then, the government had to pass an equal rights amendment to get equal protection under the law for women. The government still thinks a woman has no rights over her own body, and between Uncle Clarence, who sexually harrassed Anita Hill, and a closeted Klan Court that is a throwback to the 19th Century, hand-picked by Daddy Bush, Ronald Reagan, Gerald Ford, between Clarence and that stacked Court, they're about to undo Roe V. Wade, just like they're about to undo affirmative action. The government lied in its founding documents, and the government is still lying today. Governments lie. Turn to your neighbors and say governments lie (audience responds). The government lied about Pearl Harbor. They knew the Japanese were going to attack. Governments lie. The government lied about the Gulf of Tonkin. They wanted that resolution to get us into the Vietnam War. Governments lie. The government lied about Nelson Mandela, and our CIA helped put him in prison, and keep him there for 27 years. The South African government lied on Nelson Mandela. Governments lie. Turn back to your neighbor and say it again. Governments lie (audience responds). The government lied about the Tuskegee experiment. They purposefully infected African-American men with syphilis. Governments lie. The government lied about bombing Cambodia. And Richard Nixon stood in front of the camera, let me make myself perfectly clear, we are not...governments lie. The government lied about the drugs for arms Contra scheme, orchestrated by Oliver North, and then they pardoned, the government pardoned all of the perpetrators, so they could get better jobs in the government.  Governments lie. The government lied about adventing the HIV virus as a means of genocide against people of color. Governments lie. The government lied about a connection between al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein, and are connected between 9/11/01 and Operation Iraqi Freedom. Governments lie. The government lied about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq being a threat to the United States peace. And guess what else? If they don't find them some weapons of mass destruction, they're going to do just like the LAPD, and plant them some weapons of mass destruction. Governments lie. (applause)

Jeremiah Wright - 4-13-03 - Cut 6 - Education, health care, stolen election.

Oh, but government's changed. The election was stolen. We went from an intelligent friend to a dumb Dixiecrat, a rich Republican who has never held a job in his life, is against affirmative action, against education, I guess he is (laughing), against health care, against benefits for his own military, and gives tax breaks to the wealthiest contributors to his campaign. Governments change sometimes for the good, and sometimes for the bad. But I'm fitna to help you again. Turn back and say he's fitna to help us again (audience responds).
Jeremiah Wright - 4-13-03 - Cut 7 - God damn America, and Condaskeezza Rice.

The United States of America government, when it came to treating her citizens of Indian descent fairly, she failed. She put them on reservations. When it came to treating her citizens of Japanese descent fairly, she failed. She put them in internment prison camps. When it came to treating its citizens of African descent fairly, America failed. She put them in chains. The government put them on slave quarters, put them on auction blocks, put them in cotton fields, put them in inferior schools, put them in substandard housing, put them in scientific experiments, put them in the lowest-paying jobs, put them outside the equal protection of the law, kept them out of their racist bastions of higher education, and locked them into positions of hopelessness and helplessness. The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three strikes law, and then wants us to sing God bless America? No, no, no, not God bless America, God damn America, that's in the Bible, for killing innocent people. God damn America for treating her citizens as less than human. God damn America as long as she tries to act like she is God, and she is supreme (applause). The United States government has failed the vast majority of her citizens of African descent. Think about this, think about this, for every one Oprah, a billionaire, you've got five million blacks who are out of work. For every one Colin Powell, a millionaire, you've got ten million blacks who cannot read. For every one Condoskeezer Rice, you've got one million in prison. For every one Tiger Woods, who needs to get beat at the Masters, with his Cablasian hips, playing on a course that discriminates against women, God has His way of bringing you up short when you get too big for your Cablasian britches. For every one Tiger Woods, we've got ten thousand black kids who will never see a golf course. The United States government has failed the vast majority of her citizens of African descent. But I'm fitna to help you one last time. Turn to your neighbors, say he's fitna to help us one last time (audience responds). Turn back and say forgive him for the God damn (audience responds). That's in the Bible, though. Blessing and curses is in the Bible. It's in the Bible. (applause) I'm fitna to help you one last time.

Jeremiah Wright - 9-16-01 - Cut 8 - Race economics in the Bible.

I
told Freddie Haynes this week that in all of my years of preaching, I was licensed to preach in May of 1959. I was ordained to preach in January of 1967. And I became a pastor in March of 1972. But in all of my years of preaching, I have never preached a sermon that dealt with these difficult verses, these last three verses in Psalm 137, these brutally honest verses, and these verses which express what the people of faith really feel after a day of devastation and senseless death. And that is exactly what these three verses express. Now in our class sessions on our Church study trips, I have lifted up these three verses to help our Church members understand much of what it is they feel as they have stood in the slave castles in West Africa, as they have stood among the poverty in Ethiopia, stood in the townships of South Africa, and stared at the favelas in Salvador de Bahia and Rio de Janeiro, in Brazil. African-Americans have a surge of emotions as they see the color of poverty in a world of wealth, and begin to understand that it is no accident that the world's tourists are one color, and the world's riches are another color. And when they tie together the pieces of 500 years of colonialism, racism and slavery with what it is they see in 2001, a surge of emotions hits them. And the last three verses of Psalm 137 help them to understand what it is they are feeling. I have treated these verses in a classroom setting, and on the study tours that our congregation has taken. But I have never touched them in a sermon. Today, I was telling Freddie Haynes, the spirit of God has nudged me to touch them, and to treat them prayerfully, as many of us try to sort out what it is we are feeling, and why it is we are feeling what we feel after the trauma and the tragedy of the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, symbols of who America is: the money and the military.

Jeremiah Wright - 9-16-01 - Cut 9 - Faith footnote - chickens coming home to roost.

Now I asked the Lord what should our response be in light of such an unthinkable act. But before I share with you what the Lord showed me, I want to give you one of my little faith footnotes. Visitors, I often give faith footnotes so that our members don't lose sight of the big picture. Let me give you a little faith footnote. Turn to your neighbor and say faith footnote (audience responds). I heard Ambassador Peck on an interview yesterday. Did anybody else see him or hear him? He was on Fox News. This is a white man, and he was upsetting the Fox News commentators to no end. He pointed out, did you see him, John? A white man, and he pointed out, an ambassador that wasn't Malcolm X saying, when he got silenced by Elijah Muhammad, was in fact true. America's chickens are coming home to roost. We took this country, by terror, away from the Sioux, the Apache, the Arawak, the Commanche, the Arapaho, the Navajo. Terrorism. We took Africans from their country to build our way of ease, and kept them enslaved and living in fear. Terrorism. We bombed Grenada and killed innocent civilians, babies, non-military personnel. We bombed the black civilian community of Panama with stealth bombers, and killed unarmed teenagers and toddlers, pregnant mothers and hard-working fathers. We bombed Qaddafi's home and killed his child. Blessed are they who bash your children's head against a rock. We bombed Iraq. we killed unarmed civilians trying to make a living. We bombed a plant in Sudan to pay back for the attack on our embassy, killed hundreds of hard-working people, mothers and fathers, who left home to go that day, not knowing that they'd never get back home. We bombed Hiroshima, we bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon, and we never batted an eye. Kids playing in the playground, mothers picking up children after school, civilian, not soldiers, people just trying to make it day by day. We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans, and now we are indignant because the stuff we have done overseas is now brought right back into our own front yards? America's chickens are coming home to roost. Violence begets violence. Hatred begets hatred. And terrorism begets terrorism. A white ambassador said that, y'all, not a black militant, not a reverend who preaches about racism, an ambassador whose eyes are wide open, and who's trying to get us to wake up and move away from this dangerous precipice upon which we are now poised.  The ambassador said the people that we wounded don't have the military capability we have. But they do have individuals who are willing to die and take thousands with them, and we need to come to grips with that. Let me stop my faith footnote right there, and ask you to think about that over the next few weeks, if God grants us that many days. Turn back to your neighbor and say footnote is over (audience responds).

Jeremiah Wright - 9-16-01 - Cut 10 - Black people jumping from the WTC towers.

And I asked God what should our response be. I saw pictures of the incredible, people jumping from the 110th floor, people jumping from the roof, because the stairwells and elevators above the 89th floor were gone, no more, black people jumping to a certain death, people holding hands, jumping, people on fire jumping. And I asked the Lord, what should our response be?
Jeremiah Wright - 9-16-01 - Cut 11 - Social transformation.

Then the Lord showed me that this is not only a time for self-examination, this is also a time for social transformation. Now they ain't going to put me on PBS for the nation to see this. This will be around the Chicagoland area. It ain't going to be on no national cable. But this is a time for social transformation, and this is going to be the hardest step we have to take. But now is the time for social transformation. We have got to change the way we have been doing things. We have got to change the way we have been doing things as a society, social transformation. We have got to change the way we have been doing things as a country, social transformation. We have got to change the way we have been doing things as an arrogant, racist, military superpower, social transformation. We just can't keep messing over people, and think ain't nobody do nothing about it. They have shown us that they can, and that they will. And let me suggest to you that rather than figure out who we're going to declare war on, maybe we need to declare war on racism. Maybe we need to declare war on injustice. Maybe we need to declare war on greed. Those same lawmakers you saw gathered at the Capitol praying are the same lawmakers who just passed a $1.3 trillion dollar gift for the rich. Maybe we need to rethink the way we do politics and declare war on greed. Maybe we need to declare war on AIDS. In five minutes, the Congress found $40 billion dollars to rebuild New York, and the families of those who died in sudden death. Do you think we could find the money to make medicine available for people who are dying a slow death? Maybe, maybe, maybe we need to declare war on the health care system that leaves the nation's poor with no health coverage. Maybe we need to declare war on the mishandled educational system, and provide quality education for everybody, every citizen, based on their ability to learn, not their ability to pay. This is a time for social transformation. We can't go back to doing business as usual, and treating the rest of the world like we've been treating them. This is a time for self-examination, and this is a time for social transformation.

All eleven cuts in one file.

UPDATE: Father John Taylor, and Episcopal priest and long-time aide to Richard Nixon as well as director of the Nixon Library Foundation, assesses Pastor Wright's sermons.

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shubi writes: Friday, April, 25, 2008 7:32 PM
Racism IS the Context
A 97% vote by black men for Obama is pretty good evidence of the context of Wright's remarks.
Patriotic Liberal writes: Friday, April, 25, 2008 7:42 PM
Look at Hugh..
..acting as though Rev. Wright owes him something. And this from the clown who spent all winter arguing the separation of church and state.

Hurry up, Rev. Wright, Hugh demands that you send him copies of all your sermons. Sheesh. What a rabble rouser..
cottoneyed writes: Friday, April, 25, 2008 8:18 PM
My only worry is that the Soetoro
death spiral will hit ground TOO, soon, before he gets the nomination, this bigot is so finished, it's not even funny, just a few short months ago, this was suppose to be the "uniter", what an unmitigated disaster this is for you, liberals, i don't know when i've ever enjoyed something SO MUCH, as this, oh and you liberals, the rev., you see makes NO distinction, between liberal and Conservative, your "the blue eyed Devil" too, HA, HA, HA, HA, hows it feel, libs, hows it feel.......preach on preacher, preach on......
Zelsdorf Ragshaft III writes: Friday, April, 25, 2008 8:22 PM
Wright and Hate
Hey, PL, now there is a contradiction in terms. Patriotic Liberal. That is like a giant shrimp. What ought to happen to Rev. Wright is he needs to be exposed for the liar that he is. Anyone who listens to the filth that passes for a sermon this evil man spews and is not reviled needs to board a ship along with Wright and his minions, travel and settle in the nation of their choice. They should not longer be welcome in this one. I can say this. Wright cannot believe in God for he knows he has sold lies to people for the money he can get. There will be punishment for such sins.
S/A86 writes: Friday, April, 25, 2008 8:25 PM
A little love from the dimocrats
is to be found at:

http://www.recreate68.org

These babboons will burn Denver to the ground if babakazama isn't nominated.
Cubsfan writes: Friday, April, 25, 2008 8:34 PM
Wright Ad
The North Carolina GOP has every right to run that ad. These two liberal democrats need to be shown for what they are liberals not moderates. Mccain should jump in a lake. Once again Mccain attacks us and not the left.
S/A86 writes: Friday, April, 25, 2008 8:36 PM
So what do the nice dimocarts at
http://www.recreate68.org plan to do in re-crating 1968?

Will they kill a civil rights pioneer? (Yes...Jame E. Ray was a dimocrat)

Will they kill a Kennedy? (Yes... Sirhan Bishara Sirhan is a dimocrat)

Will they turn over cars? Throw firebombs? Graffiti Denver? Make a55es of themselves? Will they do it for the BBC, Le Monde and CNN.

If FBear reads this she will be very very upset, as she cannot stand political violence.
Cubsfan writes: Friday, April, 25, 2008 8:36 PM
Wright Ad
The North Carolina GOP has every right to run that ad. These two liberal democrats need to be shown for what they are liberals not moderates. Mccain should jump in a lake. Once again Mccain attacks us and not the left.
cottoneyed writes: Friday, April, 25, 2008 8:39 PM
Hey Rev. you are right, those chickens
you refer to in those mad rantings your adherences call a sermon, they indeed have COME HOME, alright, and their crappin' right on top of you liberals, heads, that what you mean, Jeremiah, its all comin' home, baby, and the inexorable march to the teargas convention, BREATHE DEEP......
Cubsfan writes: Friday, April, 25, 2008 8:43 PM
Mccain should not be the nominee!
I'm new to this blog. I want to here other conservatives views. Mccain has treat of us like dirt. The list is long: amnesty for law breakers, voting against pro growth tax cuts, his attack on the first Amendment with Mccain-Feingold. He has treated some senate republicans like dirt. FU to John Coryn and some others. John Leboutillier from Newsmax said Mccain is the worst man he has ever dealt with in public life. I think the Convention should think twice by this guy in St.Paul. What does everybody think?
Cubsfan writes: Friday, April, 25, 2008 8:44 PM
Mccain should not be the nominee!
I'm new to this blog. I want to here other conservatives views. Mccain has treat of us like dirt. The list is long: amnesty for law breakers, voting against pro growth tax cuts, his attack on the first Amendment with Mccain-Feingold. He has treated some senate republicans like dirt. FU to John Coryn and some others. John Leboutillier from Newsmax said Mccain is the worst man he has ever dealt with in public life. I think the Convention should think twice by this guy in St.Paul. What does everybody think?
MaryStella writes: Friday, April, 25, 2008 8:45 PM
Reverand Wright exposed?
Wright's "black theology" is essentially Malcolm X ideology of hate.
His teaching of racial theology, cultural division, his bitter defamatory rhetoric, are quite appalling.
Sitting 20 years with his family in Wright's church, seriously question Senator Obama's moral standing.
They are both hypocrite.
Wright will be retiring in a $1.6 million, 10.340 square-foot home, onto a golf course in Tinley Park, a gated community that is mostly white! while he is blasting the rich!
Wright, and Obama say: judge me by what I say and not by what I do!

Hugh, you are not wrong, Obama will not be able to be the President in 08.
Cubsfan writes: Friday, April, 25, 2008 8:45 PM
Posting
Sorry for the double post.
NeoConScum writes: Friday, April, 25, 2008 8:51 PM
Cubsfan...Yep, We See You're New Here..
We ALL were once. Slow down...Focus...Breathe... There. Gooood.
cottoneyed writes: Friday, April, 25, 2008 8:54 PM
Today, here at the front, Mr. Spagnola
again stated that it will be the city of Denver's fault if his miscreants turn to violence because they were denied a permit, the city is already making plans to bring in 2000 more police from outside the city, and the National Guard will be on standby, people are making plans to leave the city that week, after this what city would be crazy enough to want these miscreants(democrats) coming to their city.

PREACH ON, PREACHER, PREACH ON........indeed.....
Virginia Patriot writes: Friday, April, 25, 2008 8:57 PM
Cubsfan
There are a few conservatives around here who are opposed to McCain, but Townhall in general has become a GOP cheering section. Most around here are rallying around Amnesty John even as they hold their noses.
Rich from Ventura Co writes: Friday, April, 25, 2008 9:08 PM
Rev. Wrights chickens coming home ...
Rev. Wrights chickens are coming home to roost and Obama will have to pick up the bill.

Although Obama through his typical white grandma under the bus, doesn't have the nerve to condemn radical liberal icon Bill Ayers.

Of course, he can't say any thing about his good buddy Rezko because their may be a court case pending.

Then there is Michelle.
Rich from Ventura Co writes: Friday, April, 25, 2008 9:12 PM
the perfect is the enemy of the good!
Virginia Patriot and cubsfan want Obama to win.

You guys ever read Voltaire who said: "The perfect being the enemy of the good."

NeoConScum writes: Friday, April, 25, 2008 9:24 PM
Rev.Wright Is Speaking To The National
Press Club on Monday. I'm NO LONGER convinced that Bazama 'gets' anything "life threatening", politically, but if he does, he ought to be soiling his Harvard Scivies. TOAST. Clueless, Shipwrecked TOAST.

Bu-Bye.
Virginia Patriot writes: Friday, April, 25, 2008 9:28 PM
Rich, I'd Agree If McCain Was Good
Anyone who will not uphold the oath of office and faithfully execute the laws is unfit for office. McCain wants to change the laws to suit the lawbreakers, he has no intention of stopping the illegal alien inundation. Do you see Juan Hernandez over his shoulder, smiling that smarmy smile, my friend?
Cubsfan writes: Friday, April, 25, 2008 9:37 PM
Mccain can't rebuild the movement
Virginia Patriot,
I think Obama is better for us than Mccain. Why because remember the Democrats will still control both houses no matter what after this election. I think these problems with the economy are worse than people think. Iraq is a deal where you can win either way. If Mccain wins the GOP will lose even more Senate and House seats in 2010. We need to rebuild in congress. I think Obama will be a disaster as president and we will pick up many seats in 2010. What is your view?
Cubsfan writes: Friday, April, 25, 2008 9:41 PM
2012
I want Pawlenty, sanford, Jindal or Palin to lead the ticket in 2012. What does everybody think? I love Bobby Jindal.
fbear writes: Friday, April, 25, 2008 9:47 PM
Will Hugh repudiate...
Rush Limbaugh, for his call for riots at the Democratic National Convention?

Ann Coulter, for her call to attack the New York Times building?

Michael Savage, for his call to drop a nuclear bomb on a random Middle Eastern city?

I'm not holding my breath.
clarityseeker writes: Friday, April, 25, 2008 10:15 PM
BY CONTRAST...
Here is an interview, this week (Tuesday, April 22), with Pastor John Hagee.
This man explains the LIES spread about him by the, DEMOCRAT PARTY. The Democrat Party presently states, on their official website, the gross LIE.

Specifically:
1.) LIES about his "anti-Catholic". This is fully explained and is anything than but, "anti-Catholic".
2.) LIES that he conducted a "slave sale", alleging his anti-African Americanism. This is fully explained, and, nothing as represented by the, DEMOCRAT PARTY (presently on their website)

http://www.townhall.com/talkradio/Show.aspx?RadioShowID=3

Interview conducted by, Dennis Prager, on live radio. Simply scroll down to "H2"(Hour #1) on Tuesday, April 22, 2008). It is leass than 15 minutes long, with all commercials having been eliminated.

I am no Evangelical Christian. But, I now know this man was slandered by the Democrat Party. He was painted as the, "Jeremiah Wright" of John McCain----anything BUT.
S/A86 writes: Friday, April, 25, 2008 10:18 PM
I found a good outlet for FBear's
mock indigantion:

http://www.recreate68.org

a fine place for dimocrats to get together and toss bombs!
clarityseeker writes: Friday, April, 25, 2008 10:21 PM
Hugh...
Thanks for requesting from Reverend Wright further information to support Jeremiah Wright's claim that his comments were taken out of context.
PUT UP, OR, SHUT UP, Jeremiah!
You've been "bitten" by the, "sound bite"?
Then CONTEXTUALIZE your comments, dimwit!!!
Easy enough to do, if indeed you have nothing to hide, if you were wrongfully accused, if your a victim of, "smear-tactics".
sloandog writes: Friday, April, 25, 2008 10:22 PM
That's it?
fber that's all you got? Three random statements from three different people not in any way affiliated with McCain! That's pretty weak man.
fbear writes: Friday, April, 25, 2008 10:31 PM
sloandog...
The point is, prominent right-wingers call for violence, and there's no outrage from those on the right.
sloandog writes: Friday, April, 25, 2008 10:36 PM
Fbear
when is the last time you saw a conservative riot?
Pasadena Phil writes: Friday, April, 25, 2008 10:46 PM
Cubsfan
Suggestion. I strongly recommend that you start a blog of your own. It gives you a solid base to work from and it empowers you to challenge the RINO shape-shifters here (aka: the Pince Nez Tribe) when they lie about you which they will. A blog allows readers to check out your historic positions and see if you are credible. You will see why that is important later if you do it. The think to remember is that TH is populated by commenters whose brains are "belief validation systems". I prefer discussions with commenters whose brains are "truth seeking systems". You'll soon figure who is who. Get used to stupid banalities like "perfection is the enemy of the good" and "a true conservative must vote for McCain (liberal)". Also get used to being called a bigot, xenophobe, homo, Nazi fascist and many other things when the nose-holding (Pince Nez Tribe) RINOs get cornered with truth and logic. Welcome aboard and stick around for the conservative victory in November. Check out my final essay "The New GOP for Liberal Dhimmis Battleplan" for clarification of that last point.
Cubsfan writes: Friday, April, 25, 2008 10:56 PM
Obama
Pasadena Phil,
I will never vote for Obama. I live in Illinois and have watched the msm here in Illinois suck up to Obama for 8 years starting with his race against Bobby Rush in 2000. They are so arrogant here the msm in the Chicago media market. A columnist here said Ayers wasn't a bad guy! The GOP in both our states needs to be totally rebuilt.
Cubsfan writes: Friday, April, 25, 2008 10:59 PM
Bob Barr
I may vote for Bob Barr in protest. I live in Illinois and Obama will win big so I have nothing to lose. I will back every other Republican on the ticket just not Mccain.
Hoosier writes: Friday, April, 25, 2008 11:08 PM
Conservative Riot
I can see all the Ben Tillmanites are on tonight. Obama scares conservatives to death. He is a black man who might become president. The world turned upside down. How can conservative continue their assumed positions of superiority if there really is truth to the saying that in the United States anyone can grow up to become president. Bill Clinton was bad enough, but a black man, we can't have that, after all this is America, look at how many Democrates became republicans when LBJ pushed the Voting Right Act through Congress, they lost the whole south. But it wasn't because they were racist, nooooo, they just saw the light. Your outrage about Wright is a bit disingenious, you protest too much. First, Obama didn't wear a flag pin, well, neither does McCain most of the time, Obama wasn't black enough, now his minister said controversal black things, so Obama must not love America enough. Then Obama said people were bitter, so now he was elitist, but bush was just funny when he made the joke about how rich the people were that attended a fun raiser, yuk, yuk, yuk. One thing about conservatives they are at least predictable they always have a double standard one for them and one for everyone else.
Pasadena Phil writes: Friday, April, 25, 2008 11:10 PM
Cubsfan
We're in the same place. That is what I plan on doing. Ironic that someone named "Cubsfan" joins TH just as I started comparing McCain to Shoeless Joe Jackson of the 1919 Chicago Black Sox. Both put up great stats for their team (Jackson hit what, .359? And RINOs always cite McCain's conservative rating) but when the game is on the line, they both throw the game to their opponents.
Jorge writes: Friday, April, 25, 2008 11:15 PM
Clinton Was A Moderate Republican...

... with impulse control and character issues and a radical shrew for a wife.

+ + +
Pasadena Phil writes: Friday, April, 25, 2008 11:17 PM
Hoosier
You are confusing your terms. Please make a distinction between Republicans and conservatives. They are not interchangeable. The Pince Nez RINOs are the ones who, having no valid claims to distinguish McCain from Obama or Clinton, resort to scare mongering by warning that electing Obama will result in the end of civilization itself. Believe me, our survival is not at stake in November. You can't squeeze a stolen ID card into the space separating these three stooges. We are going to have a liberal President no matter who gets elected. Most of us conservatives will be voting against the United Establishment Party to deny a mandate to the winner by voting third party and voting for conservatives down ticket. It's not a racial thing, it's a lunatic left wing thing - McCain included.
sloandog writes: Friday, April, 25, 2008 11:26 PM
Wow hoser
I don't know if I can digest that pile of slop you just served. I do know I have never seen a conservative riot or a Condaskeezer Rice.
cottoneyed writes: Friday, April, 25, 2008 11:39 PM
Hey foolbear,
Rush didn't call for riots, stupid, one of your own is doing that, Mr. Spagnola's been threatening the city since March, with violence because they won't issue a permit for his miscreants to misbehave, they are bringing in 2000 police from outside the city and the National guard will be at ready, it's your brother and sister anarchists that are calling for riots, every nutbag liberal within 1500 miles will be here, make your travel plans now, foolbear, they're all bunking in our City Park, i'm sure they'll be room, so come, they'll be plenty of teargas for all, oh, wait, i'm friends with several in the Police Dept., and i'm sure i can arrange for you to get your very own cannister, so by all means come and BREATHE DEEP....

Onward to Denver and you liberals, just desserts....BREATHE DEEP....
Cubsfan writes: Friday, April, 25, 2008 11:39 PM
Social Issues
Many beltway Republicans think the role of Social conservatives should be reduced in the GOP. They claim that many young people favor gay marriage and the gay agenda so we need to tone it. These people are totally out of touch! Many young people oppose Abortion and Same sex Marriage too. Young people are just as pro life as their parents. We should give up the soul of america because some may not like it. I say no way! Without social conservatives the party would never win. What does everybody think?
Cubsfan writes: Friday, April, 25, 2008 11:43 PM
Radical judges
Abortion and Gay Marriage should be decided by the states. The Supreme Court was guilt of a great overeach with Roe. I fear the same thing with marriage the courts are out of control.
lo writes: Friday, April, 25, 2008 11:46 PM
Rev, don't insult our intelligence
We're not confused & you didn't look confused in the videos we all saw during your hate spewed tirades. The context of the anti-American rallies you call a church service were understood loud & clear!

RevWrights BIGOTED hate speech he spews from the pulpit are not the words of any respectable American, Christian, or anyone of any other faith. They are simply words of hate.

Obama has made some lousy choices in friends, business partners, & mentors...
RevWright - Bigoted minister who hates America &
whites
Bill Ayers - Admitted domestic terrorists
Tony Rezco - Controversial businessman under
indictment
Fascist Louie Farrakhan - Fascist / racist
Michelle Obama - American hating, corporate
hating hypocrite

Obama's friend, crazy cousin, & or spiritual mentor may say that "Americas chickens have come home to roost". Well I say Birds Of A Feather Flock Together. The Obama’s have flocked w/ some ruthless scoundrels knowing full well who & what the are!
Jorge writes: Friday, April, 25, 2008 11:50 PM
At Some Point, The Circle Closes

And the loony left and the loony right meet in an orgy of echo-chamber rites of ideological purity tests. Blinded by self-rightousness and monomania, they are unable to any longer discern reality, with the result that all who do not meet their purity test blur together into an amorphous enemy.

Actual track records don't matter. Actual policy statements don't matter. Personal biographies don't matter. Reality doesn't matter.

Fortunately, in this great nation, radicals and weenies are put out, as the GOP primary proved, and as the general election in November will again.

America doesn't go for Jacobin radicalism on either end of the spectrum. Or at that point on the circle where the fringes meet.

+ + +
Cubsfan writes: Saturday, April, 26, 2008 12:00 AM
Wright
This guy is a living disaster! What angers me the most is how shameless the msm is in not trying to find out the truth. Obama sat in that church and nodded his head to this man. Newsmax's Ronald Kessler had a great piece on it. Obama supported this man's radical agenda. Could you image if a GOP candidate have a pastor or priest with a white values system? The msm would bury that person and yet Moyers is sucking up to Wright. Moyers has been disgrace for years and now he has gotten even worse. PBS should have zero government money period same with NPR. They are biased liberals and taxpayers shouldn't have to support them.
Joe writes: Saturday, April, 26, 2008 12:09 AM
I made the mistake of watching Real Time
Bill Maher just called Jeremiah Wright word that is a an old fashioned private eye. Not enough of a clue for you? Maher called Jeremiah Wright a Monica Lewinsky popsicle.

Why? Because Wright said Obama was just being a typical politician. Because to the folks Obama is trying to court, that comment from Wright (and not things like "God Damn America...") hurts more than anything.

Interesting enough, Garry Shandling started to waiver about Hillary and Obama and admitted he was being drawn in by McCain. Arianna, Phil Donahue, and Maher freaked out and almost declared a intervention for him.

Maher is absolutely anti McCain. For a second I thought Bill had been hanging out with Virginia Patriot and Pasadena Phil.
mauman writes: Saturday, April, 26, 2008 12:30 AM
Fantasy Boy Could Learn From Wright
Jeremiah Wright (once a Marine, always a Marine) talks of people who thrill at war and revenge. He's talking about people like you, Fantasy Boy, with your pathetic dreams of valor and courage on some battlefield safely ensconced in your own disordered mind.

Will Fantasy Boy's children be joining the real war effort anytime soon?


JoeWu writes: Saturday, April, 26, 2008 12:41 AM
Wright = Obama
Listening to some of the excerpt sounds like Obama gets all his ideas from Wright. Obama is calling for 'change' and Wright is calling for 'transformation'. The reherotic used by both men sounds very similiar. Change, transformation, AIDS, health care, blame self. 20 years, it is very obvious that Obama gets alot of his idea from Wright.
MaryStella writes: Saturday, April, 26, 2008 12:53 AM
fbear
you are spreading lies again.
Rush has not requested any riots.
I listen to him every day.
One on your side did.
He was quoting from someone from your side.
You should one day start listening
then stop spreading lies.
everyonesfacts writes: Saturday, April, 26, 2008 12:58 AM
a strong interview by Wright
no matter which side you are on.

if the National Press Club is similar there will be a blowback against
the media on how they handled the speeches in a soundbite
stereotypical, dare I say racist, way and this should in the end help
Obama (again that is if the NPC event goes similarly)

His speeches were controversial but obviously based on an
interpretation of the Bible that nearly all Americans would agree with.
Still, didn't like what he said, but in the larger context of the speeches
they were not blasphemous, close, but not. Wright walks the line.
d'Brit writes: Saturday, April, 26, 2008 2:05 AM
Re:At Some Point, The Circle Closes
"Actual track records don't matter. Actual policy statements don't matter. Personal biographies don't matter. Reality doesn't matter."

Of course they matter. Especially when indisputable and contradictory information emerges to place in dispute the veracity of claims regarding actual track records, policy statements and personal biographies.

Rality is not necessarily what a politician claims it to be. Words matter but actions still speak louder than words.

In all of these areas; track records, policy statements and personal biography, Obama's integrity and the veracity of his assertions is at the very least, placed in serious doubt.

Given the materials available upon this website alone, to assert otherwise is to reveal oneself to be placing honesty distantly second to achieving one's agenda.
d'Brit writes: Saturday, April, 26, 2008 2:14 AM
Re: a strong interview by Wright
"His speeches were controversial but obviously based on an interpretation of the Bible that nearly all Americans would agree with."

Please explain the 'context' that places Wright's assertion that the US of KKKA's White Amerikan government invented the aids virus and used it to commit GENOCIDE upon Black Americans...within an "interpretaion of the bible that nearly all American's would agree with."
Radian writes: Saturday, April, 26, 2008 2:23 AM
McCAin=Democrat
No one should be hoodinked by this guy. Support Ron Paul, a true conservative.
JoeWu writes: Saturday, April, 26, 2008 2:36 AM
Two men
In the last 2-3 weeks, we hear alot of speeches made by two men. Both are leaders in their own right, both are Christian, both are men of cloth, both are highly educated, both are 'popular' in their own right. Wright and Benedict XVI.

Yet, one said "God Bless America", while the other one said "God damn America". Intersting isn't it, and scary too.
rif writes: Saturday, April, 26, 2008 3:20 AM
Hugh's public warning: Scary Black Man!
I'm still wondering when we'll get to the part where Wright says something un-Biblical. Then I'll be sure to join the lynch mob with you all.
Vince P writes: Saturday, April, 26, 2008 7:06 AM
Maddening audio
Having listened to all the audio, I can't imagine sitting in church week after week listening to that raving maniac , no wonder Michelle Obama looks possessed.
fbear writes: Saturday, April, 26, 2008 7:27 AM
Conservative Riot
"when is the last time you saw a conservative riot?"

December 2000, Florida.

But that's not really the point. Conservatives have supported terrorist groups in Central America that cost hundreds of thousands of lives. They've supported terrorist states in Central and South America that also cost hundreds of thousands of lives.
Mike writes: Saturday, April, 26, 2008 7:48 AM
It cannot be a crime.....
... to seek to live in freedom.

According to our Declaration of Independence, the legitimate purpose of government is to “secure our rights”. Thus, government may properly (and should) prohibit the entry into our country of those who pose an identifiable threat to those rights: people such as known criminals, those with infectious diseases, those who associate with, or support, terrorists, etc.

But except for this limited screening function, government does not have a right to impose an arbitrary limit on immigration. The nation is not the property of the government. The government does not have a right to tell me who I may, or may not, hire into my business or invite onto my property (provided I don’t invite or hire someone who poses a threat to the rights of others, as indicated in paragraph 1).

So all of this outrage against “illegal aliens” is an outrage against those who’ve broken a law that shouldn’t exist in the first place. It’s like an outrage against those who break the laws that some states have against sodomy.

People who seek to escape communist or socialist or theocratic hell-holes to build productive lives here in America should be admired, not damned. The fact that some come to take advantage of our welfare state is simply another argument against the welfare state. To damn them all as a group because of the actions of a few is a collectivistic injustice.

sloandog writes: Saturday, April, 26, 2008 8:29 AM
No matter fber
how much you digress the fact is Wright has had a strong influence on Obama and this has to be considered.The fact that you and the others on fbear planet are rallying around him indicates to me he deserves this scrunty.BTW I really don't give a s$%^ what happened in So. America thirty years ago!
S/A86 writes: Saturday, April, 26, 2008 8:48 AM
FBear you are a liar
"December 2000, Florida" she characterizes as a 'conservative riot.'

Just because Jerry 'fatso' Nadler joined FBear in the characterization does not make it so.

Cars afire? No.

Tear Gas wafting through West Palm Beach? No.

dimocrats moaning, whining, pissing and crying about Albert Arnold Gore losing the election? Yes.

And, every single place in Latin America where there is peace and stablity it has come as the direct result of US support of market economies, democracy and the defeat of Soviet/Cuban Sponsored Communism.

The only countries in Latin America where the populations are still beneath the yoke of totalatarian police states are the COMMUNIST ones.

And, FBear calls those states which fought COMMUNISM, 'terrorist' states. He calls it murder when the security services of those nations defended the populations against COMMUNIST murder, COMMUNIST oppression, COMMUNIST slavery.

She also calls murderers those brave partisans of democracy who liberated or attempted to liberate their nations, their people, from Soviet/Cuban COMMUNISM.

We can be assured that FBear will NEVER have a single word of approbation for leftist murderers, for leftists who seek to gain more power than a single vote through riots, and other violent forms of political intimidation.

FBear wishes to appear reasoned, thoughtful, but she is not. FBear is a typical middle-class American Bolshevik: privileged, a dimocrat, intellectually dishonest, politically duplicitous and a coward on every single level.

If you find myself, and other conservatives so offensive and oppressive, FBear, why do you come around other than to spread your filth and propaganda?
Hoosier writes: Saturday, April, 26, 2008 9:07 AM
Conservative Riot
Conservatives do seem to lack ambition and moxy. They perfer to sit a home and whine. Too many immigrants, homosexual marriages, abortion, we want our guns whine whine whine. If it was up to conservatives we would still have Jim Crow, women still wouldn't vote, the US would still be in Viet Nam, heck there wouldn't have been a Boston Tea Party, that was a riot. Then there were the riots of Shay's Rebellion, the riots after World War I. The riots that eventually led to minimum wage, overtime pay, safer working enviornments and the length of the work day. But then those are just a few of the times when Liberal rioted. Go Liberals, change is what moves this country forward.
NeoConScum writes: Saturday, April, 26, 2008 9:16 AM
FINALLY Foobie's Confusing Posts Solved
Poor foobie. He somehow got which side supported the butchering Leninist Sandanistas and buthchering Maoist Sendero Luminoso(that's Shining Path to you, Foobie)...Oh, and the pathetic Bolivian version of Cubano Bolshevism with the sorry-a** Che being outed by the terrorized peasants he was claiming to help.

See, now that we got the misunderstanding contextualized(2-big words pre-approved by Blovie Boy), we can hep' ya, Foobear. FOCUS: It was your side cheerleading for the murderers, not our side. There. Problemo Solved.
Virginia Patriot writes: Saturday, April, 26, 2008 9:19 AM
Illegal Alien Are NOT Immigrants


Illegal aliens are not immigrants. Immigrants seek our permission first by applying for a visa. They keep their documents in order and comply with our laws. Illegal aliens do not. They sneak across the border and acquire fraudulent I.D. The open borders crowd know that most Americans are predisposed to favor legal immigration. By purposely confusing illegal aliens with (legal) immigrants (really the only kind), the left and the media hope to marginalize those of us who are speaking out against amnesty as being xenophobic, nativist, racist, restrictionist, anti-immigrant bigots. I am not any of those. I am an American citizen whose citizenship means something to him. I like immigrants. I know people from all over the world. I am totally opposed to amnesty for illegal aliens, regardless of where they are from. I am for retaining our rule of law and sovereignty. The debate must center on the willful disregard for the laws of this country. Americans have been a welcoming people. We just want people to respect us, our country, our history, our culture, our language and our laws.
lula may writes: Saturday, April, 26, 2008 9:22 AM
Creepy factor
I watch the interview last night of the reverend. It's real hard to believe anyone would go to that church.
The reverend is a piece of work. Unless your brain dead I can't figure out what appeal there is.
He came across as sneaky, manipulating, angry, bitter hateful person. The soft voice and traditional suit couldn't hide the street hustler.
He spoke of sermons that were all hell and damnation. Smashing babies heads against brick walls for revenge.
When he damned America. The press had taken that out of context. He was damning America's government. But he didn't say God damn the American government, did he ?
Point is that makes no difference. He didn't have one good thing to say about this country.
Why didn't Moyers ask. Isn't there anything good this country has ever done ? Now we understand Michele.
After watching that, it's impossible to understand how Michele and Obama could associate with this man for 20 years. They indoctrinated their children in that hate America culture.
But the reverends own words were, Obama's a politician and will do what ever it takes to get elected.
Virginia Patriot writes: Saturday, April, 26, 2008 9:22 AM
Do You Want To Keep Your Country?


We the People of the United States of America have the right to have our borders and our laws respected and enforced.

Citizens of other countries illegally in our country have no right to demand anything from our government. They most certainly have the right to petition the governments of their home countries for change if they are unhappy with their home country. If they want to be Americans, we have a path to citizenship, more generous than any other nation, and it starts in their home country.

We need to insist on the equal protection, application and enforcement of the law or devolve into anarchy. Our Republic only functions if everyone follows the same rules. We should not change the laws to accomodate those breaking them.

If America annouces to the world "We can't stop you, so come on in" with another amnesty, the deluge will be overwhelming. If 3,000 a day didn't get your attention, then wait until it's 10,000 a day. We cannot sustain this influx and survive as a nation. We must speak up and speak to each other about this and not let false claims of racism or bigotry be used to intimidate us into silent assent. America is not Congress' to give away. America belongs to We the People. Speak to your neighbors, speak to your coworkers, but please speak up to your Congressmen and Senators. It's O.K. for us to enforce our laws, no really, it is.

Someone please tell Sen. McCain.
artist writes: Saturday, April, 26, 2008 9:39 AM
OT
Drudge has a pic of Obama wearing a USMC shirt.

His campaign is funded and propped up by anti-military groups like moveon and Code Pink.

I hope bloggers make an issue of this.

His supporters have attacked Marine recruiting stations.
lula may writes: Saturday, April, 26, 2008 9:42 AM
Not finished yet
Anyone posting here who think it's over for Obama are wrong.
This is the democrat primary. Left of center democrats that make up the majority of that party and absolutely agree with the reverend.
It's funny that Obama called small town America bitter.
As grandpa used to say a fox can't smell his own hole.
These lefties are bitter, nasty, despicable human beings. They hate everything about this country and think you're an idiot if you are happy in life.
They have had all the advantages in life and wallow in self hate and guilt.
They will steal and cheat. We saw that in Florida. Whatever it takes to make everyone else as miserable as they are. And Obama's their guy. Don't under estimate the hatred.

Mike writes: Saturday, April, 26, 2008 9:44 AM
Virginia Patriot claims,.....
"We the People of the United States of America have the right to have our borders and our laws respected and enforced."




GopTiger writes: Saturday, April, 26, 2008 9:54 AM
Good Cop, Bad Cop
I'm a bit surprised how many Republicans don't recognize what McCain is doing. It's nothing more than the old good cop, bad cop routine. But the routinely only works, folks, if the accussed thinks the cop really is a 'good' guy; once the accussed realizes its part of a strategy, it fails.

All parts of the GOP coalition have a part to play in unmasking Barry. Talk radio, the blogs, and 527s should be doing the bulk of the heavy lifting when it comes to the 'negative' groud game that must be waged. McCain's job is to be above the fray, presidential, and to look like he is not piling on. The electorate does want a post-partisan president, and McCain has to position himself to meet that desire. All of McCain's moves so far this spring have been designed to position himself to claim that mantle, and lay the 'partisan' albatross around Barry's neck.

That said, I do expect on several policy stances, for McCain to relentless attack Barry. For those of you who think McCain is not capable of waging an aggressive campaign, just ask Mitt Romney if that is true. And I expect the McCain attacks will dovetail very nicely into the overall narrative that talk radio and the blogs are exposing about Barry-the effete, quasi-socialist, naive, way-in-over-his-head, sociology professor. McCain needs to take the high road; the blogs and talk radio need to take the lower road.


Keith Olberman said something patently stupid last night-he said Rush Limbaugh and the GOP want Hillary to be the nominee. Keith, you and the Obamabots-I beg you-keep on believing that. Please!

NeoConScum writes: Saturday, April, 26, 2008 9:59 AM
Tiger...Don't Forget Lady MacClinton's
Surrogates' handywork, which has been dandy subversion, as well. Poor Bazama, it's a very tough world in Real Politics.
Mike writes: Saturday, April, 26, 2008 9:59 AM
Viginia Patriot claims.....
"We the People of the United States of America have the right to have our borders and our laws respected and enforced."

There is no "right to a border" -- except the border around land that YOU OWN. You have the right to dictate who may or may not come onto YOUR land. But there is no right to dictate to your neighbor who may or may not come onto HIS land. You cannot claim for yourself a right that you deny to others.

Nor is there any automatic right to demand that ALL of our laws be respected and enforced -- not if they are improper and immoral laws. It was once "our law" that black people could only exist here as property of white people. There was no right to demand that such a law be respected and enforced.

As our Declaration of Independence correctly stated, All men are created equal and posses the unalienable right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. ALL MEN, not just those lucky enough to be born here.

You cannot claim the right to live in freedom while denying that right to others.
Virginia Patriot writes: Saturday, April, 26, 2008 10:03 AM
McCain Only Attacks Conservatives
Quoting John McCain's comment in 2004:

"I believe my party has gone astray. I think the Democratic Party is a fine party, and I have no problems with it, in their views and their philosophy."
Virginia Patriot writes: Saturday, April, 26, 2008 10:11 AM
Mike
So you're saying foreign nationals have every right to just waltz in and take over? Ignore any laws they find inconvenient? More American citizens have died at the hands of illegal aliens than from terrorists since 2001. Surrender if you wish, but I will not.
Pasadena Phil writes: Saturday, April, 26, 2008 10:19 AM
Mike
"Nor is there any automatic right to demand that ALL of our laws be respected and enforced -- not if they are improper and immoral laws."

Among the many idiotic statements you made in your ignorant diatribe, that one really takes the cake. You really have a bizarre concept of civilization. Who decides what laws are improper and/or immoral? You? No. WE THE PEOPLE decide. WE THE PEOPLE elect the government. WE THE PEOPLE insist that OUR laws be enforced. The problem today is that the will of the people has been subverted to the interests of the one-world-without-borders corporatists who see nations as markets to be exploited rather than sovereign nations who represent distinct cultures. If we don't defend our constitution, we won't have a culture and you won't like what follows. There are hard lessons that we would be better off not learning by experience.
Joe writes: Saturday, April, 26, 2008 10:29 AM
Virginia Patriot
The problem with the current system is it encouraged illegal aliens to break the law, *wink*wink* because American businesses (small and large) needed cheap labor. To blame some poor Mexican from Michoacán for "ignoring our laws" is somewhat ignorant too. It is a system set up to be lawless. I want that to quasi legal-gray market end and I support your goal in that.

While Mexico and the rest of Latin America makes up the biggest source of illegals, there are significant numbers of illegals from Europe, Canada, and Asia.

I want to errect the fence, support work place enforcement, stregthen port security (30% of illegals fly in with visas and overstay, rather than cross a physical border). Work place enforcement is probably the biggest thing we need to do. I also want to end the practice of getting autmatic citizenship for being born here.

As for the illeagals who are here--some are married to Americans, have children, and have lived law abiding productive lives but for coming here illegally. Given the whole hypocrisy of the system, it would be wrong to just say "they broke our laws and must leave, wait seven years for a legal visa." At the same time there are undesirables and felons who need to be tracked down and kicked out now.
Joe writes: Saturday, April, 26, 2008 10:34 AM
As for McCain's attacks...
He focused this week on defending Tom Coburn from Barak Obama's slander (saying Coburn was the same as Ayers). So stop lying Virginia Patriot that McCain only attacks conservatives.

Mike writes: Saturday, April, 26, 2008 10:37 AM
VP asks:
"So you're saying foreign nationals have every right to just waltz in and take over? Ignore any laws they find inconvenient?"

No one has a right to "take over". Nor did I say anyone has a right to ignore any laws they find “inconvenient“.

You are making the argument that if we allow free immigration (with the screening I outlined in my first post on this issue), then we are allowing people to ignore any laws they wish and “take over” the government. That’s a straw man argument and a non sequitur, to say the least.

Patriotic Liberal writes: Saturday, April, 26, 2008 10:41 AM
Ragshaft III
Not a contradiction, More a redundancy..
Mike writes: Saturday, April, 26, 2008 10:45 AM
Check your premises, PP
I wrote:

"Nor is there any automatic right to demand that ALL of our laws be respected and enforced -- not if they are improper and immoral laws."

And in response, Pasedena Phil wrote:

"Among the many idiotic statements you made in your ignorant diatribe, that one really takes the cake. You really have a bizarre concept of civilization. Who decides what laws are improper and/or immoral? You? No. WE THE PEOPLE decide. WE THE PEOPLE elect the government. WE THE PEOPLE insist that OUR laws be enforced."


Well, yes, and at one time, WE THE PEOPLE decided that the law should require black people to be the property of white people. Did the fact that WE THE PEOPLE decided that make it moral or proper? No. Did it mean WE THE PEOPLE had a right to demand that all citizens respect that law? No.

Your premise seems to be the premise of socialism, namely, that whatever society decides -- in the form of WE THE PEOPLE -- is automatically valid and that you have an automatic right to demand that it be followed. Fortunately for the blacks in this country, a rather vocal minority disagreed, and eventually the slaves got freed.

You should check your socialist premise -- it is false.
Pasadena Phil writes: Saturday, April, 26, 2008 10:46 AM
So Joe
Then how on earth can you be defending McCain? What is wrong with you? Are you just hoping that by echoing our positions and then doing the Texas side-step by shilling for McCain you can trick conservatives into holding their noses and voting for your ultra-liberal McCain? How dumb do you think we are?

By the way, John Hinderaker is currently raking McCain over the coals at Powerline for his current campaign of attacking Bush and Republicans only.

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives2/2008/04/020380.php

It just isn't going to end well for McCain. There aren't many Republicans left and when November comes around, I'm betting that the Dems will opt to vote for a declared Democrat than a quisling democrat. I know you Pince Nez RINOs are superstitious, but holding your noses is not going to accomplish anything. Maybe if you try sipping a brew of something that includes eye of newt... that might work.
Patriotic Liberal writes: Saturday, April, 26, 2008 10:46 AM
GOP Tiger
This time around, the Reep nominee will not get a free ride as his power-hungry associates poison our civic life with their toxic leadership. Everyone has had it with that crowd--assaulting the good name and character of their opponents, getting their man elected, and then running our country into the ground.

It is of a piece, the "do anything to win" mentality and the corrupt and inept governance.
Pasadena Phil writes: Saturday, April, 26, 2008 10:52 AM
Just occurred to me
There are lots of loyal Republican soldiers, like Hugh and the Powerline triumvirate, whose loyalty must now be under severe strain. You can only stretch party loyalty so far. At some point, your core beliefs kick in and it becomes clear that there will be no pay off for your loyalty. Face it you guys, you are sacrificing yourselves needlessly. If the Democratic Party is the one that is self-destructing here, wouldn't it be better that it was because the actual Republican party replaced it? Instead, the Republican party is hoping to win by becoming the NEW Democratic party and carrying on its legacy and core beliefs. We didn't become Hitler to defeat Nazism. Why do we have to become Ted Kennedys to defeat the Democrats?
Virginia Patriot writes: Saturday, April, 26, 2008 11:15 AM
Joe
Sometimes you seem almost rational.

Too bad John McCain does not share your views, he might get my vote if he did.

But Juan Hernandez wouldn't like that.
Virginia Patriot writes: Saturday, April, 26, 2008 11:21 AM
Mike
Learn Spanish.
Pasadena Phil writes: Saturday, April, 26, 2008 11:29 AM
No Mike
My premise is based on the fact that we have a DELIBERATIVE REPUBLICAN DEMOCRACY. The US Constitution has proven to be the most effective code of LAWS that allow people to DELIBERATE for change. All civilizations are based on RESPECT FOR THE LAW. Our system allows us to CHANGE our laws. Your sloppy thinking is what opens the door to chaos which always ends in tyranny. Where did you go to school? Cuba? Harvard? UC Berkeley? The street?
Pasadena Phil writes: Saturday, April, 26, 2008 11:31 AM
Mike
I just re-read your last comment. What pseudo-intellectual gibberish. Get lost.
NeoConScum writes: Saturday, April, 26, 2008 11:37 AM
Tiger...Simply Put, Bazama Is TOAST
at this point. Things change, but that would have to be a Vast Change in the wind. Like Dukakis, he appears truly Clueless and Tin Eared that--in Barack's case--his associations can't be nimbly passed over by Legal Double Talks and a smiley-face. That's besides his views, which may have worked in pre-Sarkosi France, but sure aren't American. You know, Tiger, like Retreat in the face of Victory is Gooood. And, Saul Alinsky Socialism is Daaaaandy. And, Nanny Statism is what our Founders' Intent was...Those type things that'll really Beat Hiss A**.
cottoneyed writes: Saturday, April, 26, 2008 11:39 AM
Everytime Foolbear types, he lies
kinda' like if his lips move, yeah, Conservatives took to the streets in Florida, what a foolish little pi55ant you are, but, not surprising your a liberal, and as such your in a fog, but make NO mistake, foolbear, your boy, Hussein, he's in a death spiral, and your in it with him, you gettin' dizzy yet?
Patriotic Liberal writes: Saturday, April, 26, 2008 11:56 AM
This Election is 1976
Except Barack is Reagan, HRC is Ford, and Mac is Carter. Reagan would have won that election--and Barack will win this one..
Virginia Patriot writes: Saturday, April, 26, 2008 12:04 PM
Patriotic Liberal
Almost right, except none of them are Reagan. Obama is Carter, Mccain is Ford. HRC is done. Obama will be as good a President as Carter.

God help us.
Cubsfan writes: Saturday, April, 26, 2008 12:24 PM
Obama is Jimmy Carter
Virginia Patriot,
If Obama is another Carter this helps the GOP. We will win back the white house in 2012 and win many house and senate seats back. I think Obama will be another Carter. Carter in 1976 was a fresh face just like Obama is today. We didn't know much about him. We also had a creeping Inflation when Carter was elected. The feds policies I beleive will lead us to another Inflation disaster today. Obama really bad for America but good for the GOP. We need bad liberal policies to unite us again.
lula may writes: Saturday, April, 26, 2008 12:29 PM
Virginia Patriot
Amusing name. After reading your post I can only assume it's a joke ?
Patriotic Liberal writes: Saturday, April, 26, 2008 12:35 PM
Old Dominion Patriot
Reagan achieved a secular realignment of the American body politic, capitalizing on American alienation from the failures of welfarism, combined with a noisy and irritating far left. Barack will lead a generational realignment in the other direction. And all this stupid sand in the air about Ayars and Rev. Wright and Michelle or whatever only reinforces the public's irritation at the failure of right-wing government and its noisy and self-insistent far right.

By the way, while I respect your principled rejection of Mac, democracy is all about the lesser of evils. And until America comes up with some improvement on our "winner take all" system, which won't happen, you're stuck with two choices.
Patriotic Liberal writes: Saturday, April, 26, 2008 12:38 PM
Cubsfan
As they say, it has been a bad century, hasn't it. And I'm afraid you conservatives are looking at a bad next few decades. Ya blew your wad and ya lost.

There is always a role for conservatism in this deeply conservative country, but this generation of conservatism--Boomer conservatism--is thoroughly discredited and now belongs to the Ages of Man as a failed worldview.
Pasadena Phil writes: Saturday, April, 26, 2008 12:49 PM
PatrLib
You are wrong about one very important thing. The past 20 years have not been a failure of conservative government but a failure of Republican big-government liberalism. Bush is not a right-winger by any means. He is, as his soul mate Vincente Fox called him, a "windshield cowboy". All hat, not cattle. Now we have McCain trying to ride the same gimmick into the WH. It is ironic that the most conservative candidate still running is Hillary. After all, her husband got the country back on track with supply-side economics and balanced the budget. What we need is four years of Obama to remind us why we elected Reagan, Clinton, and Gingrich in the first place. It take 28 years for Republicans to self-destruct but only 4 for Dems.
Cubsfan writes: Saturday, April, 26, 2008 1:03 PM
Taxes
Pasadena Phil,
Clinton with a GOP congress cut the capital gains tax to his credit. His spending policies were actually more conservative than this president's. Obama wants to increase the capital gains tax and the top rate. This is what he means when he talks about change. The left has never accepted that capital gains taxes are job killers. People that pay the top tax rates are the wealth creators. The great society showed with a 70% top rate what a disaster liberal economics are.
Patriotic Liberal writes: Saturday, April, 26, 2008 1:06 PM
PasPhil
Yeah, I know--Bush wasn't conservative ENOUGH. That argument will fly about as well as the argument that Carter wasn't liberal enough (which was made in 1980).
clarityseeker writes: Saturday, April, 26, 2008 1:15 PM
dreaming in Revisionist historical color
Yep, if this turd could write history, as seen through the eyes of typical Liberals, it would include passages such as. Pathetic Liberal's:

"This Election is 1976
Except Barack is Reagan, HRC is Ford, and Mac is Carter. Reagan would have won that election--and Barack will win this one."

The other day this schmuck was putting words in the mouth of another poster, "Salty Alaskan" (regarding 1968 and Reagan's first run at POTUS).

Salty Alaskan was having none of it.
The chap (SA) exhibited admirable patience with PL-----much better than mine----then again, Salty Alaskan is fairly new to PL's shenanigans; the playing fast and loose with facts. Making up stuff. It is no wonder PL lives so close to Hollywood----he possesses a similarly twisted view of America as do his celebrity neighbors; "creates" stuff out of thin air.
Pasadena Phil writes: Saturday, April, 26, 2008 1:16 PM
PatLib
You obviously don't have a clue about what conservatism is about. How do you rationalize in your logic why conservatives are so upset with him and McCain?
Pasadena Phil writes: Saturday, April, 26, 2008 1:24 PM
Cubsfan
This IS a lot like 1976. We just had a spectacular explosion of government expansion with creeping inflation and a explosive growth of an unskilled, uneducated labor force. The next president is going to bring about economic disaster because all of the candidates are big spending (yes, McCain too, friend of Kennedy?) liberals. The dollar is in free fall and capital is fleeing. This is a prescription for stagflation and a prolonged recession. Cheap labor stymies capital investment which is the key to innovation which is itself the key to American prosperity. We should be well on our way to being THE BIG PLAYER in exporting alternative energy technologies but our government is determined to stymie economic growth of ALL kinds. You need to look no further than the attempt to build a wind farm off of Hyannis and the difficulties Evergreen Solar is having building their string ribbon plant in Fort Devens MA. Everywhere you look, our government is doing everything it can to kill the economy. If it were 120 degrees outside, they would solve the problem by forcing the thermometer to read 72 degrees. If you vote Dem or Rep this November, that is what you will supporting.
clarityseeker writes: Saturday, April, 26, 2008 1:37 PM
Pathos of Pathetic Liberal
PL says:
"And all this stupid sand in the air about Ayars and Rev. Wright and Michelle or whatever only reinforces the public's irritation at the failure of right-wing government and its noisy and self-insistent far right."

1.) All this "stupid sand-in-the-air", as breathlessly projected by this pathetic LA LA Liberal, has actually been kicked up by, Hillary Clinton's camp. PL giving credit (inferentially)to, "self-insistent far righters"---it shows, again, his caloused-right-hand inflicted blindness. Hillary has effectively dug up nearly every bit of exposed "dirt" on her Democrat Party competitor. She's simply doing the job of the press while satisfying other, selfish, pursuits.

2.) PL and his Lefty-loons would prefer the media assume their pre-March slumber, while turning every eyeball away from Obama. Even making stuff up about McCain and attractive female lobbyists is fine with them. Just get the focus, the vetting, the ugly investigating of Obama out of the media. "Just pull the trigger", "elect the messiah", that's their want.

Virginia Patriot writes: Saturday, April, 26, 2008 1:42 PM
Cubsfan
You should read Phil's blog. There is also a poster who goes by thebigmick. He has a blog. I can't remember the name of it. Puts it pretty well. If you see anyone's name underlined, you can click on it and it will take you to their blog. Look for mick, mainly on the columns.
Pasadena Phil writes: Saturday, April, 26, 2008 1:55 PM
thanks VPat
Your check is in the mail. Add that to Bush's "Free Ice Cream For Everyone" $600 handout, should buy lots of ammo or even a nice new gun to cling to. That's what I'm doing with mine.
Cubsfan writes: Saturday, April, 26, 2008 1:58 PM
Make D.C and northern Virginia a state
Virginia patroit,
I think Prince William, Fairfax, Loundon, Alexandria and Arlington counties should join DC to from a state. Northern Virginia is destroying the southern hertiage of the commonwealth. These forks deserve their state back. I also say make Eastern Washington and Oregon their own state too. Far left Portland and Seattle rule those states. The GOP should just give up on Oregon and Washington. Many people East of the Cascades support seperation in Oregon and Washington. What is your view?
Mike writes: Saturday, April, 26, 2008 1:59 PM
Pasedena Phil, the kind of hostility...
... you are exhibiting is a dead give away that you have no actual arguments to offer to defend your position. Unsupported insults -- such as calling my posts "idiotic", "ignorant", "pseudo-intellectual gibberish", followed by telling me to "get lost" -- do not constitute valid arguments. Instead, it's just a lame attempt to bully an opponent you cannot otherwise answer.

I will not "get lost" and I will continue to point out that nothing justifies the notion that the government has the right to initiate the use of force against people that pose no threat to anyone’s rights and that seek to come to this nation -- just as nothing justifies the notion that the rights of man are restricted to those lucky enough to be born here -- just as nothing justifies the notion that if society in the form of WE THE PEOPLE decides to keep people out, that automatically makes it right.
Mike writes: Saturday, April, 26, 2008 2:06 PM
Virginia Patriot, your response....
... that I should "learn spanish" is almost as lame as Pasedena Phil's response. (At least it is not hostile -- I'll give you that.)

For the first 140 or so years of our country's history, we had a far more open immigration system than we do now, and millions came to America. Yet we did not devolve into a third-word hell-hole nor did we have to learn another language. In fact, we were much freer then than now.

sloandog writes: Saturday, April, 26, 2008 2:16 PM
It's more like 2004and2000
The dems keep nominating unbelievably inept people. They just can't find someone in their party that has likability and credibility or even the appearance of integrity. This year they have outdone themselves.On one hand you have Obama who has more baggage than Paris Hilton and the list keeps growing. On the other hand you have Hillary who never saw a lie she didn't like,even dems admit this. John McCain will win by default because he has a hint of credibility. The dems
have again wrested defeat from victory.McCain will be the benefactor and I'm not all to thrilled with him either.
Virginia Patriot writes: Saturday, April, 26, 2008 2:17 PM
Cubsfan
Since we can't evict all the carpetbagging yankees who moved here from the northeast, I guess that is one solution.
Pasadena Phil writes: Saturday, April, 26, 2008 2:23 PM
Mike
I'm calling you names. You called me a socialist wrapped in incoherent socialist gibberish. Laws are optional? This country was founded on respect for laws. Take your anarchy gibberish elsewhere. You're an idiot.
Virginia Patriot writes: Saturday, April, 26, 2008 2:37 PM
Phil
That's exactly what I did. Got a Browning High Power just like Brian's. It was exactly the amount of the vote bribe, er, stimulus check.
Patriotic Liberal writes: Saturday, April, 26, 2008 2:47 PM
The corporate media..
..does what it does, i.e. get tabloid and cower before the right-wing noise machine. We always knew that BHO would have to reach beyond the filter. And he will. It is about a collapsed right-wing worldview, and a candidate who is calling America back to Her moral heritage and 'the better angels of our nature.'
Patriotic Liberal writes: Saturday, April, 26, 2008 2:47 PM
The corporate media..
..does what it does, i.e. get tabloid and cower before the right-wing noise machine. We always knew that BHO would have to reach beyond the filter. And he will. It is about a collapsed right-wing worldview, and a candidate who is calling America back to Her moral heritage and 'the better angels of our nature.'
Pasadena Phil writes: Saturday, April, 26, 2008 2:54 PM
VPat
I'm thinking of buying my friend's Mini-14 (no scope but 10 30-round magazine clips and extra folding stock) for $600. It's still in the original box and hasn't fired more than a couple of hundred rounds. Whadya think? Your last recommendation (commemorative Browning Buck) made me spectacularly happy. I'm inclined to take your advice again.
beaumandy66 writes: Saturday, April, 26, 2008 2:59 PM
Joe, didn't you want McCain
during the early primaries? I think I remember you and a few others pushing McCain on us when we had Rudy, Thompson, Romney and Huck as options.

Hope your happy. McCain is a great Democrat.
Patriotic Liberal writes: Saturday, April, 26, 2008 3:05 PM
Pas Phil
Not only do I understand conservatism, but after a generation or two of its information dominance, most Americans understand conservatism. It flowed from Reagan to the Boomers and crystalized as GW Bush.

The model you put forward, small government conservatism, is utopian and irrelevant--which is why it was never implemented. Two things have kept our country from tailspinning into a Depression over the past 75 years: Big Government and Big Bank. You libertarian types need to find politicians with the courage to let America ride into the jagged teeth of cyclical downturns. That ain't gonna happen. I'll agree with you that conservatism needs to rearticulate itself, but the conservatism put forward by Bush, the conservatism which has driven our country into the ground, did not fail because it was not conservative enough. It failed because it had too free a hand, and it was derived from a worldview that was ill-conceived, morally bankrupt, and mimimally proficient.

Anyhow, gotta run. Dig you cats later..
beaumandy66 writes: Saturday, April, 26, 2008 3:07 PM
This is why Rush is #1 year after year
Rush is not going to back McCain just because he is a " republican " like Hugh, Medved and so many on Town Hall are doing. I find it disgusting that people actually support McCain just because he is the nominee with the " R " by his name.

Medved actually agreed with McCain that the NC GOP should pull the Obama ad. WTF??/

Hugh ignors the fact that McCain is more loyal to the Democrats than he is to us.

I guess we have to ditch all principle in order to get McCain elected huh Hugh?

Rush is honest about the situation. So is Hannity and Levin. This is why they are trusted and respected by conservatives. It's also why their ratings are sky high,.



Virginia Patriot writes: Saturday, April, 26, 2008 3:09 PM
Phil
Sounds like a good deal. I love all of my Rugers. The mini is a great rifle. I think Brian has one of those, too. Ruger's are very easy to put a scope on if you wanted to later. The receiver is milled for Ruger rings from the factory. I'm more the old fashioned iron sights kind.
Cubsfan writes: Saturday, April, 26, 2008 3:21 PM
I favor D.C statehood only with a deal
Virgina Patroit,
Virginia would lose three house seats and three votes in the electoral college. However I would rather have a solid conservative state with 10 electoral votes than a moderate one with 13. The new state of Northwest Virginia would have 6 electoral votes and would soild democrat. Good riddance to Northern Virgina! Many republicans there are liberal RINO's anyways. They enabled Mark Warner and Tim Kaine's massive tax increases. These Northern Virginia republicans support the idea of an anti business smoking ban. I smoke so I'm biased but smoking polices in a free market must be decided by private business not arrogant politicans. What is your view? I salute the Virginia house GOP for stopping this.
Cubsfan writes: Saturday, April, 26, 2008 3:23 PM
Divide Virginia bills
Virginia Patroit,
I heard there are bills in the in the Virginia House of Delegates that would in fact divide the commonwealth. Have you heard about them?
NeoConScum writes: Saturday, April, 26, 2008 3:34 PM
Funny... Lefties Around This 'Hood
keep trying to sell the swill that O'Bammy is the right guy at the right historical moment to mend what that awful, evil Boooosh hath wrought. I may not be laughing out loud, though I do several times a day, but my Inner Irving Kristol is having a knee slapper inside. By the by, everyone, read Jonah Goldberg's wonderful piece in the current National Review issue(May 5th) with Barack riding a Hot Air balloon above Chicago. It's titled, fittingly:'UNIFIED THEORY-The Candidate of Change Forbids You To Disagree'. A terrific romp through the twisted fields of Lib-Left-Dem word rape and their underlying meaning.

THINK about the Right Man:

1.)Retreat in the Face of the Enemy. After a full year of successes. THAT'S American, alright.

2.)Demonstrate to Monsters that we have kind hearts and wish to Understand their Inner Butchers. Empathize. Talk, ENDLESSLY.

3.)Set up a Saul Alinsky Socialist Junkyard to replace the Social Junkyard the same bunch foisted on the nation with The Great Society. Ignore the consistent failures for 40+years and try the same sh!t all over again. This time call it Unity & Change. Call it the New Improved American PATRIOTISM.

Yep, that's the "better angels of our nature."

SEEHAWK writes: Saturday, April, 26, 2008 4:31 PM
Neo
You got nailed and seen it coming!
So our Conservative worldview failed? I guess that's cause Soviet Marxism has worked out SO WELL everywhere it's been tried!LOL
Conservatives solved the mounting crime problem in the 70-80's, we solved the high tax burdens in the 80-90s,we solved the wefare fiasco in the 90's, and we are on our way to solving the Jihad problem if the "dims" don't get hold of all power and retreat first...so do you have any idea what BLovie has total delusions about? Does he think the Right are the Left or something? Everything he says is upside down and backward.Is it an intellectual dyslexia???
NeoConScum writes: Saturday, April, 26, 2008 4:40 PM
'Hawk...Don't Attempt To Apply Logic
to the(Discovered by your very own sweet self..)Hemp Scarfing Problemo.

Comprende?

Gotta go meet Missus Neo for chow, but back in a couple of hours. Happy Saturday. Careful about overfeeding the 'stray kitty'. :-)
S/A86 writes: Saturday, April, 26, 2008 4:43 PM
More funny ha ha news for dimocrats
Finally, there is a recognized dimocrat celebrity willing to take Nancy Pelosi on for her refusal to initiate impeachment against George W. Bush.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/04/25 /BAU310AJJ9.DTL

I am sure the dimocrats who post here will be appropriately excited by this.

See you in Denver.

http://www.recreate68.org

Bring your own flak vest.
SEEHAWK writes: Saturday, April, 26, 2008 4:43 PM
Neo
oops, left ou the "it". I meant "You got it nailed and seen it comin..."
SEEHAWK writes: Saturday, April, 26, 2008 4:46 PM
S/A86
I think the fact they are anxious about violence says it all.
People know it could happen with the Leftist Loopies.
S/A86 writes: Saturday, April, 26, 2008 5:06 PM
Seahawk is CORRECT
the very best of the dimocrat party will be out showing Its a55 to the world....


http://www.recreate68.org
GopTiger writes: Saturday, April, 26, 2008 5:13 PM
WHAT?
Now Jeremiah Wright is saying the United States is "just like al-Qaeda", just under a different flag worshipping a different God. In your heart, all of us know Barry agrees with his "spritual advisor's" assessment.

The American public may have grown disenchanted over the war in Iraq, but THEY DO NOT THINK AMERICA IS THE SAME AS AL-QAEDA. America doesn't kill innocent civilians by the thousands in the name of God, Jeremiah.

Barry CHOSE this man, folks. And thinks he is 'brilliant', his words not mind. And Barry CHOSE Bill Ayer's house as his the venue for his political coming out party.

And Keith Olberman and the Obamabot nitwits think we want to run against Hillary...Yea, you keep think that, fools.

K.G. writes: Saturday, April, 26, 2008 6:28 PM
There May Be "Hope" After All
For decades conservative commentators have been trying to get the average American to understand the liberal anti-American caca that's been going on in academia and the MSM (and force-fed to our kids in public schools) since the 60's. They put Ward Churchill on FOX every night, but we didn't quite made the connection. He was just a solitary weirdo.

Now, with the media playing the constant loops of Wright and now Ayres/Dohrn, there is hope that the average voter can see this nutzo mind-set that these folks share.

The Obamas have spent their adult lives in this swamp of "elite thinking", as have the Clintons. It wasn't so apparent with BClinton because he was such a bubba. But with the whole Loony Left mentality being looped over and over, maybe the it will at last be exposed in all its goofy glory.

everyonesfacts writes: Saturday, April, 26, 2008 6:46 PM
asked about the context of his speeches
the ones asked by d'brit were not covered in the interview so I cannot
talk about them.

But based on the interview on PBS they have to be brought into question
too, at least until we hear more of the sermon.

The interview last night was not a good night for Fox News or many
conservative columnists who should be doing the work that LIB Moyers
did.
K.G. writes: Saturday, April, 26, 2008 7:21 PM
Seehawk
YOU nailed it too. Moral and intellectual dyslexia. That's good.

Did you hear the Evan Sayet speech that was linked somewhere by Al yesterday? Sayet's observations totally explain why libs, not necessarily stupid or evil, think the way they do.

If you have 30 or 40 minutes this is worth it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaE98w1KZ-c

Patriotic Liberal writes: Saturday, April, 26, 2008 8:17 PM
Weak..
"Dyslexia." "Hemp scarfing." That's rich. Your problem is the problem of contemporary conservatism: you go after the arguer rather than the argument. It is why your worldview is such a failure. It is completely personal emotional. It is also low character. But be morally lazy, for all I care. I mean, what can you say to guys who think the country owes them a debt of gratitude? I'm not going to bow and scrape to your conceits--you seem to do enough of that on your own..
NeoConScum writes: Saturday, April, 26, 2008 8:47 PM
Ladies...Kitty Wants A Feeding...Sad,
but...Oh, well.
Patriotic Liberal writes: Sunday, April, 27, 2008 12:57 AM
Wha? Did you say something?
..been gone all night. My nephew's second birthday. And now, I'm gone again. Ciao..
NeoConScum writes: Sunday, April, 27, 2008 8:35 AM
Revrund Jeremiah Steps Before The
National Press Club tomorrow and opens that horrendously large mouth. Given that kind of immediate exposure, will he be delicate and empathetic to Bazama's needs? Or, will he perhaps use it to promote Revrund Wright, his ego, his views, his nutsyness, his hatred and fanaticism? Will Barack be on the phone to the Revrund today begging him to shut-the-F*** Up?? I'm no longer convinced that Obama possesses that sort of political survival skill. He more likely thinks that brand of practical favor request would be Inauthentic. Nice fella. But, CLUELESS.

His people have leaked that Obamster is going to be darn stern with Chris Wallace this a.m. Uh-huh.
That's more than he's promised to be with our Death Cult Enemies in Iraq. Should be fascinatin'!
K.G. writes: Sunday, April, 27, 2008 9:41 AM
My Word Exactly
That's the word I've been using all along to describe Obama: clueless. Maybe it's because he grew up in a chaotic, bereft family-life without the usual fun and games, give and take of, wise counsel of a real family...no strong male role model to prepare him for the real world.

Then he was cloistered in academic settings where he was the obvious darling. Maybe it's because he's never had a real job with the boss breathing down his neck, or running a business.

He seems very young, frighteningly immature to be POTUS. I think he believes his in his "darlingness," but cute isn't going to cut it in the big, bad world.

I know, I know, PatLib: Your response is going to rip on Bush and the Neocons. But that has nothing to do with analyzing the all-too-apparent weaknesses of Barack.
NeoConScum writes: Sunday, April, 27, 2008 10:33 AM
K.G...Agreed
Here we are in this Huge Historical Moment and the Democrat Party is going to present Barack Hussein Obama as the best they can do? It seems like a joke, but they are serious! His suit is EMPTY. No resume. He might get by as an H.R./VP at one of the Studios...Maybe. C'mon...I keep thinking it's all some kind of joke...or prank...or, really silly sit-com...Just not remotely Adult. Nada.

But, Heck, ya never know in politics. I didn't catch much of the Chis Wallace interview, but at the end of Fox News Sunday, there were pieces of the candidates on the road. McCain was in New Orleans assuring the Great Society poster kids (who will NEVER-EVER vote for him)that this by-God disasterous, inexcusable handling of their crisis in '05 will Never--by God--ever happen again. My wife yelled from the other room,"Neo, you're yelling at the TV again..!!"
clarityseeker writes: Sunday, April, 27, 2008 10:50 AM
PL's "pot-calling-kettle-black" mantra..
simple rants for simple minds...


Pathetic Liberal screams about those who:

"Weak.. ...Your problem is the problem of contemporary conservatism: you go after the arguer rather than the argument."

Yet, when folks finally started asking some serious questions about Barack Obama, only last month; about his background, about his relationships (as backdrop for his judgment),
Pathetic Liberal attacks the "arguer". How disingenuous---how sonsistent of so much that he emotes.

Pathetic Liberal does NOT want you arguing the profile of Obama. Does not want you to paint him as "just another politician" which goes against the "transformative" Obama, the "bridge-builer" Barack, the, "Hope and Change" guy.

You scurrilous conservatives focusing on such blather. Such counter productive stuff. PL smites you, you pitiful arguers.
Patriotic Liberal writes: Sunday, April, 27, 2008 12:37 PM
K.G.
On principle, I agree with you that we need a President who can think on his feet and does not seem over his head. That was my problem with Bush--who was overmatched by the Office--and I can understand the same argument being advanced about Barack.

Actually, I thought Barack achieved his best footing on the strategic questions--the one about Petraeus he hit out of the park. He is also very strong on the racial divide--which I know is something you guys have long since transcended, but which still weighs upon the broader country.

He stumbled some on the tax and spend question. That's a no-brainer and he should be able to smash it up the middle.

But as for the idea that he is too immature? On the contrary, he's the grown-up in the room. I think the Republican understanding of "maturity" differs from the rest of the country--which is why Republican types are so loathe to acknowledge their mistakes. To Republicans, a guy who acts like he knows what he is talking about is more "mature" than a guy who speaks tentatively and probabilistically and humbly and fallibly. But that is just not true. And the latter fellow will make better decisions for our country than the cocksure guy..
Patriotic Liberal writes: Sunday, April, 27, 2008 2:07 PM
Is that guy CS
..a psychobitch or what?!! Yeesh. He's like that guy in the "Family Guy" episode who caught Peter on something, and then spent the rest of the episode shouting out that Peter was a big fat phony. He'd picket the house, he'd show up at the bar, he'd be everywhere. Shrieker is like that guy.

And the funny thing is, he keeps getting it wrong. In the post above, he claims that I don't want Barack to be seen as just another politician. That's hogwash. Barack is just another politician. And it goes without saying that Reep operatives and their lackeys in the corporate media will slam him by fair means and foul. To be sure, his personal history and his judgment are very much fair game.

When I said conservatives these days go after the arguer rather than the argument, I was referring to the ridicule that I'm a big pot smoker, or an attention-starved "kitty," or some kind of dyslexic moral brainfart. But I'm definitely honorable enough to fight back. Which I do. Still, I am not in the same moral category as those who use sarcasm and ridicule to advance a worldview that fails on its own merits.

Listen, guys, gotta run. Dig ya later.
fbear writes: Sunday, April, 27, 2008 4:56 PM
NeoConScum
Hello my ad hominemist friend.

The Sendero Luminoso were butchers and were very bad for Peru.

The Sandinistas were in a tough situation--how to get rid of a murderous regime. They chose to do it violently, which is problematic as far as I'm concerned, but the fact is that, once in power, they did not kill the citizens of their country--it was the Somozistas in the Contras who did that.

I have to wonder when you'll grow up. But, of course, childishness seems not to be a hindrance in right-wing circles.
inmypajamas writes: Sunday, April, 27, 2008 5:05 PM
Sorry to skip to the end...
...but I just had to respond to the hilarious cartoony stereotyping of Hoosier's comment:
"Obama scares conservatives to death. He is a black man who might become president. The world turned upside down. How can conservative continue their assumed positions of superiority if there really is truth to the saying that in the United States anyone can grow up to become president."

Ooooh, we are so scared. Heck, those scary black folk might even grow up to be Supreme Court Justices! Or Secretaries of State! Or National Security Advisors! Whatever would we do then? I am too scared to even think about it.

/Do Obamabots actually think about anything they write or is the programming strictly ROM?
NeoConScum writes: Sunday, April, 27, 2008 5:27 PM
foobie..The Sandinistas Were Stalinistas
Did no harm after taking power? Gov't Schools in your past, I guess. Ooops, there I go with that danged ad homi'whatcha'thingy...

Upon taking power under the always useful 'Liberators' label, they shut the country down with the grimist Communist Dictatorship that continent has seen.(One was planned for Chile in the early 70's, but, ooops..)The Soviet Union kept them afloat and Cuba was their closest friend. Bummer when Gorby flew in to tell Danny there would be no more Soviet $$ and arms at the end of the 80's. He had his own problems and next flew to Cuba to deliver the same message to another Stalinist.

The Miskito Indians of Nicaragua were--what's that Bolsevik term??--Re-Located by the Communist Commandantes. Like their Soviet & Chinese brethren, that was code for 'ripped assunder and mass liquidated'. But, by Communist-Progressive standards, hardly a pittance. 10,000 Miskitos in the ground is the generally accepted number.

And, then came Danny Boy's arrogant miscalculation. Int'l supervised elections. He was pressured, of course, especially by the Bush I Administration and other muscular powers. He KNEW he would win. NOT! Madame Chamorro esta el Presidente! Funny. But, as is well known Danny Boy kept Armed Forces control and bided his time quietly and well behaved until the recent election. Maybe, who knows, he learned a lesson and will govern legally, as he was elected to do.

Hope so.
NeoConScum writes: Sunday, April, 27, 2008 5:31 PM
immypj...Hilarious !
Aren't the little squids something, though!?
Patriotic Liberal writes: Sunday, April, 27, 2008 5:40 PM
For the record..
Obama has said that if he loses, it won't be because he is black. He is quite clear on that..
K.G. writes: Sunday, April, 27, 2008 6:42 PM
Neo
Your history all goes to prove it's a wicked world out there. A "humble" foreign policy that Ron Paul keeps calling for might work for Switzerland, but like it or not we are Big Daddy, and have some responsibiity in the world to gain some leverage over da' bad boys.

I'm not saying we should shoot up the world just for the fun of it...like my AZ cowboy husband used to do back in the day when he shot up outhouses with people in them,... but peace through strength is a true principle.

But only if the bad guys think we might actually use the strongest military known to man. That's one of my many problems with Obama. Even if, in your heart, you know as POTUS you would never use it under any circumstances, you don't TELL the world.

You lose all your leverage.

I've been in two revolutions; one in Chile, one in Guatemala. Lawless people are not nice. It's a jungle out there and something needs to keep the bad guys at bay.
Patriotic Liberal writes: Sunday, April, 27, 2008 6:49 PM
Diff. between our sides..
We want to work together with the world when we can and go it alone when we have to. You Republicans want to go it alone when you can and work together when you have to. Which is why you are always putting our country into a position of weakness.
K.G. writes: Sunday, April, 27, 2008 7:22 PM
So Not True, I Don't Believe
The last thing Bush wanted to do was go it alone. No upside in that. Really. Go read recent history.

But when you had all the weinie countries who were in cahoots with the enemy and suckin' on the UN teet, whadda gonna do?

The cheese doesn't necessarily choose to stand alone. We can argue till the cows come home if we should have gone into Iraq. Bunch of peeps on both sides of the aisle signed on to it.

We're there. Maybe it was a lemon. But, now, we should do our best to salvage something--make some lemonade. Who was it that just said we don't know the long-range outcome of the French Revolution? Some lib.

Let's just play this hand out and see if there's not a pony somewhere down the line. Obama's strategy will fer sure leave us with a pile of .....uh, not-a-pony.

I don't see it that we are "always in a postion of weakness." Quite to the contrary. I think a humble foreign policy would put us in the weaker position. Muscles = Strength.

The jihadists are not a bunch of girly-men.
Pasadena Phil writes: Sunday, April, 27, 2008 7:48 PM
K.G.
I generally agree with you but I get the feeling that you didn't read "The Looming Tower", it's the history of Al Qaeda and America's fight against it. I think there are some surprises in their that might temper your fear of terrorism and you trust in Republicans in the fight against it. One of the big surprises for me was that the FBI was much more effective in fighting it than the CIA. It was also a big surprise to me that the Bush administration lowered the priority of terrorism from the beginning which stymied the FBI from acting on the terrorists who eventually bombed the WTC. The claims in the book are thoroughly footnoted as to the sources which are very credible. To argue that one party is stronger on the GWOT than the other is futile. Perceptions are inevitably partisan and emotional. Both parties are wanting in seriousness in the fight against terrorism. Believe it or not, Egypt and Israel are much better at it than we are. The French and Interpol are also more effective although Europe presents a much more difficult target to defend. You give the terrorists way too much credit as a threat. They are in disarray, short of money and are finding it increasingly difficult to recruit new suicide bombers. They are a serious threat but let's not build them up to being fierce warriors. I maintain that Al Qaeda doesn't even exist anymore. What we get are reports from random cells claiming to be Al Qaeda ("the base"). It's really a Saudi problem we're dealing with. Stop importing oil and we'll soon see how weak they really are.
K.G. writes: Sunday, April, 27, 2008 10:42 PM
Thanks, Phil
No, I have not read The Looming Tower, but I appreciate rational recommendations. I didn't mean to sound like I was terrified of terror. I believe we can be effective, just not if we do it the Obama-way and pick up our marbles and shun the fight.

Maybe that's not fair. But that's what it sounds like. And if it sounds like it to me, the rest of the world might get the same message.
Pasadena Phil writes: Sunday, April, 27, 2008 11:06 PM
K.G.
Maybe I over stated your being terrified by terror. I'm just trying to get people to calm down when they make statements like McCain is the only candidate who will continue the war on terror. There is no reason to believe that one will be better than the other. They will say what they have to say to get elected. Once elected, they will be faced with the same problems, presented with the same set of facts and available alternatives. Reality is very sobering and except for Carter, they all care deeply about leaving a good legacy and aware that there is a lot of luck involved with how history remembers you. We may get frustrated (and believe me, I'm very frustrated) but I doubt for a minute that whoever gets elected this November will take the GWOT seriously. There is plenty of very good information available if you like to read and can get past the tendency we all have to see everything through the eyes of party politics. The reality is that we have the best military on earth and our security institutions with all their faults are still doing a decent job. We'll be fine. Don't be afraid to vote third party. The world will not blow up if we all do that.
S/A86 writes: Sunday, April, 27, 2008 11:09 PM
FBear is a MF Liar!!!
Sandinistas launched a prgram of genocide on Miskito Indians, well before the Contras sought to shut down the Moscow/Havanna aligned Junta.

FBear didn't spend a single day in Central American...gets all of his pinko propaganda from Mother Jones.

A no good, MF Liar.
MaryStella writes: Monday, April, 28, 2008 2:21 AM
If Democrats win this election
They will ruin our military
and the country will fundamentally change for ever.
The 21 century, is a different world, with ideology of Islamic Jihad's world domination, the security of United States and the political world map will alter and be in grave danger.
Fundamental Misconception on the right is unbelieveable.
Accepting, Obama presidency, on the right is puzzling, if second amendment is so vital, why do they agree to lose it then?
Sarah writes: Monday, April, 28, 2008 2:55 AM
The President's Mentor - in context
Do americans want a president whose views on God, America and Foreign Policy have been influenced by Wright for 20 years? Obama is unqualified, inexperienced and lacks judgement when it comes to picking a mentor, church and associates. I have faith that Americans will pick an american president in November not Obama. Tick tock tick tock!
Sarah writes: Monday, April, 28, 2008 2:59 AM
Patriotic Liberal, What qualifies Obama
to lead this country? As much as you say republicans are destroying his image and stopping his election. Please list all the qualifications that will make Obama a great president. And start with any experience at a national level. There in lies the problem with Obama. Even if people gave him the benefit of a doubt with all his statements and associations - he is still unqualified and inexperienced. POTUS is not a paid internship for inner city community organizers or civil rights attorneys who can read placards to inspire listeners.
jtb-in-texas writes: Monday, April, 28, 2008 7:31 AM
This anti-Christ "pastor", Wright...
...will receive what he deserves one day for leading children astray.

Jesus said: "... whoever welcomes a little child like this in my name welcomes me. But if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a large millstone hung around his neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea." (Matthew 18:5-6, NIV)

May the Lord rebuke Jeremiah Wright and his defenders. (Jude 1:9)

Patriotic Liberal writes: Monday, April, 28, 2008 8:27 AM
Sarah
..I have marched through that issue at least five separate times. I'll give you that his qualifications are not his strongest suit--although they are stronger than are commonly imagined (albeit less conventional).

Let me put it back to you. Suppose this were 1968 and Ronald Reagan managed to win the Republican nomination. At that point, he had around one and a half years experience as Governor. And he was running against Hubert Humphrey--big city mayor, U.S. Senator, Vice President of the United States. Would you have just gone ahead and voted for Humphrey? I mean, after all, he was qualified. No, you would have voted for Reagan, just as you voted for GW Bush against an infinitely better qualified Al Gore.

I'm for Barack because I think he'd be the best President. Are his qualifications thin next to the other two? Yes. Is that a deal breaker? No. In conjunction with other factors, weighing everything together, I'm for Barack.
Vaquero writes: Monday, April, 28, 2008 11:16 AM
Patriotic Liberal, BHO = RReagan
PL you must be a BHO supporter, you two have a lot of audacity to compare BHO to Ron Reagan...another of the Magic Team's pure unadulterated delusions.
K.G. writes: Monday, April, 28, 2008 11:50 AM
Yup, Vaquero
It's the Audacity of Audacity to compare the two. As we all know, RR spent decades honing his philosophy and message. Barack has none of that I can see: Hie governing philosophy is to mystically solve the world's problems by raising taxes, pulling out of Iraq and putting government in charge of health care.

If Barack were any whiter or any blacker, he would not be where he is, notwithstanding his intelligence and nice demeanor.

RR spent years in the trenches fighting for a specific, well-defined governing philosophy. Barack is "just words," as is HRC. They are running because they can, not on real merit.

PL: You have every right to vote for Barack if you believe him to be your best choice, but please, let's not use RR to make your case.
Patriotic Liberal writes: Monday, April, 28, 2008 12:22 PM
Oh come off it..
You complain that BHO lacks experience. Your guy RWR ran in 1968, with even less experience. And you would have voted for him. So get some frigging principles instead of just grabbing them as they suit your argument.
SEEHAWK writes: Monday, April, 28, 2008 12:31 PM
KG
PL will twist any and all facts to make his ridiculous assessments.Obama has no qualifications and none are ever listed here.Oh, he gives a good speech and talks on his feet.....and so did Hitler.Liteneing to Wright again this alm makes me more sure than ever, Obama is an extremist!
Pas Phil,thinks the Jihadists became weak the last 6 years due to luck and magic and that Bill Clinton "fought" the Jihadists,just as hard as any Republican."To argue that one party is stronger on GWOT is futile." oh really? "I maintain AQ doesn't even exist anymore" and why is that Phil?
Murtha,Reid & Pelosi would have pulled funding to fight Jihadists, released the Gitmo prisoners,surrendered in Iraq in a heartbeat,tied the hands of intelligence (as they have done)
When someone is that much in denial of facts on the ground, just move on.He's not thinking about the future.
Patriotic Liberal writes: Monday, April, 28, 2008 12:46 PM
You guys just can't deal directly..
..with the argument, can you? Nothing but posturings and insults. Anyhow, I was asked for the umpteenth time about BHO's qualifications. I answered it, and you half-wits don't have it in yourself to do anything other than pontificate about RR or call my viewpoint "ridiculous." So I'll take it that means Barack is qualified.
K.G. writes: Monday, April, 28, 2008 12:48 PM
SeeHawk
...or not thinking, period. Strange perspectives people come up with.

I want a president who lives in the real world. Is Mack my first, second or third choice? Uh...no. But the whole lib movement lives in la-la land.
SEEHAWK writes: Monday, April, 28, 2008 1:15 PM
KG
Exactly....lala land. Obama has experience because Ronald Reagan might have been elected after 1 1/2 years in the Governors' office of one of the most populous states in the US! See they are the same. Never mind Reagan prior to that wrote thousands of postion papers on Conservativism(read on the radio),made a career as wonderful actor,lead the Actor's Guild for many years,was an activist and leader in his state GOP,served in the military,saved lives as a lifeguard.....you see Barry is Reagan exactly! Barry bought dope on the beach..it's not lifeguarding but close....see the similarites???
SEEHAWK writes: Monday, April, 28, 2008 1:17 PM
Cotton
Don't fear the early political demise of Barry Hussein....it's all in the Lord's timing, and His timing is perfect for those who fear Him.
K.G. writes: Monday, April, 28, 2008 1:40 PM
Seehawk
I understand the doctrine, but I also see a counterpoint. The Lord gives us citizens our free will to choose by whom we will be governed. As CS Lewis said: God also says to us: Your will be done. People of mature faith will say: No, THY will be done. But, of course, relatively few people actually submit their will to God's.

That was God's reason for establishing America in the first place: To allow his children the freedom to excerise their free will within the law, "to test them, and try them and see what is in their hearts..."

The POTUS will be chosen by the voters, not by God. Unfortunately.

Now, will certain men and women be placed in certain situations to accomplish the will of God as in the time of the Founding Fathers? Yes. I believe there is ample evidence for that principle too.

It will be interesting to see how this all plays out. I believe God certainly has a special interest what happens in America.

Patriotic Liberal writes: Monday, April, 28, 2008 2:51 PM
Seehawk
I'm not saying RWR and BHO are the same, clown. I'm saying their experience as elected officials were similarly lacking. As for the private activism (the GE circuit, the SGA years)--Barack did that too.

I respect that you admire RR and don't admire BHO. I am contemptuous of your inability to see through your hero worship. It is, how should we put it, la la land.
Jan writes: Monday, April, 28, 2008 4:19 PM
"Stuck on Stupid" Friend?
Patriotic Liberal, are you one of the “Stuck on Stupid” Friends that Wright refers to in his NAACP speech? I’ve given you numerous data points, as have others, about Obama’s voting record in past blogs for which you’ve never responded. Liberals or those with lefty policy leanings will clearly be fine casting his or her vote for Obama with his pro-life support, tax and spend; cradle to grave government strategies. Instead of reposting these statistics, I’ll give you the web site, again, and you can research Obama’s record for yourself at http://www.votesmart.org.

Obama has been compared to John F. Kennedy, JR. JFK was a war hero, Obama has no military experience. JFK served in the U.S. House of Representatives from 1947 – 1953, he then served in the U.S. Senate from 1953 – 1960. Obama assumed his Senate office in January of 2005, and in less than two years, into his six year term, Obama is running for President. If you’ve read Obama’s resume scanned on the web, he has no key accomplishments outlined in his years as a community organizer, and no executive responsibilities.

Given the track record of American voters who rarely elect those who serve in the Congress--Americans usual vote for a person with executive experience, such as a governor, why would Americans vote for a Junior Senator who hasn’t served his full term? A Senator who is inexperienced as compared to his political rivals; Hillary Clinton or John McCain?
arch writes: Monday, April, 28, 2008 11:28 PM
A True Anti American
Rev Wright seems to be clinging to religion in his bitterness at being an American. Too bad he leads his congregation into picking up their guns and damning the very nation that allows his liberty. Imagine his predicament if he resided in a middle eastern Islamic nation and preached the Gospel according to Rev Wright.
Patriotic Liberal writes: Monday, April, 28, 2008 11:29 PM
Jan
Sorry. I don't have to respond to every person who issues a challenge--especially when I have dealt multiple times already with the challenge.

Senator is equal to Governor in terms of stature. Barack was Senator longer than RR was Governor when the latter made his run in 1968. The reason why Senators do not get elected and Governors do is not because Governors have more stature. There is no job that provides the type of "executive experience" needed by the President. Besides, Mac and HRC have no elective executive experience either. The reason Senators do not get elected is because they have a national policy record, reflected in their Senatorial votes. Governors are a blank slate and are freer to talk out of both sides of their mouth.

That's the reason Americans elect Governors and not Senators. Not because Governor is better training.
Jan writes: Tuesday, April, 29, 2008 10:45 PM
PL, your response is ineffectual
Your response is flawed; it is not reasonable for me to respond right now—I would need to go into paragraphs of explanation into why your thinking is not completely sensible. When Obama loses to Clinton in the primary, and if he makes it through the primary, he will lose overwhelmingly to McCain in the general—I will be happy to share why Obama could not win. I will tell you now; it will have nothing to do with his color. For now, I’ll offer you a teaser: character matters, congruency matters, experience matters, moderate to conservative thinking matters…
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