Monday, October 13, 2008
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Obama Misleads About His ACORN Ties
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Posted by:
Amanda Carpenter at
11:47 AM
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Barack Obama’s campaign has been forced to revise statements about their Obama’s get-out-the vote work for the Association of Community Organizers for Reform Now, a non-profit roiled in allegations of voter registration fraud. Obama’s website “Fight the Smears,” designed to counteract misinformation about the candidate’s record, contained false information about Obama’s connections to ACORN. Before news outlets reported Obama worked as an ACORN trainer in 1992, the website said, “Fact: Barack was never an ACORN trainer and never worked for ACORN in any other capacity.” The website later revised their “fact” to say: “Fact: ACORN never hired Obama as trainer, organizer, or any type of employee.” The conservative leaning blog Gateway Pundit published archived screenshots of the Fight the Smears site showing the discrepancy.
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Based on past "performances" Obama has a few options here:
#5 - "This is not the Association of Community Organizers that I once new."
#4 - "I was only 47 years old when ACORN started registering dead people."
#3 - "I didn't say that I never worked or trained for ACORN without preconditions. I said that I never worked or trained for ACORN without preparations."
#2 - "If you had read the words in context they would have made sense. But if you keep looping them on blogs then I see how you could have misunderstood what I meant."
#1 - "I can no more disown ACORN than I can my white grandmother." |
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The first one is a figure of speech. I think the people who commit voting fraud should be jailed. I'm an election official and I don't take kindly to this. This includes Republicans when they engage in this sort of illegality as well or anyone else. In the case of ACORN I believe they could be charged under conspiracy to commit election fraud.
"do you have any understanding of what ACORN does?"
Yes, I know what they claim to do. The problem is that I don't believe them.
"I just ask because your reply makes a pretty stong statment, but you don't actually back up your argument at all."
The feller who wrote the post I replied to didn't make an argument and I wasn't making a counter argument. He was simply engaged in a diatribe.
"BS is not really an argument. Usually when one disagrees with someone elses argument they respond with a counter-argument."
True enough, but it does reflect my sentiments of that post of his. |
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you say they should be thrown in jail under the RICO act, how would that apply?
do you have any understanding of what ACORN does?
I just ask because your reply makes a pretty stong statment, but you don't actually back up your argument at all.
BS is not really an argument. Usually when one disagrees with someone elses argument they respond with a counter-argument. |
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As much as I despise the Republican party for their corruption, cowardice, treason and embrace of the neocons, every so often something comes along to remind me, your post, that there are some things I dislike even more-- the Democratic party. Admittedly, they don't beat the Republicans by much, but they do for the same reasons listed above. They suck.
"That IS what it's all about----keeping the poorest, most elderly and disenfranchised from voting."
BS.
Not only should ACORN not receive federal funds under constitutional grounds, but ACORN needs to be thrown under the jail under the RICO act. They are nothing but criminals. |
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have tried to make ACORN into the big story it is not. This is setting up a group that only gathers the potential votes of the most unrepresented Americans - the elderly and poor - and present them ALL to the state registrars. The registrar of voters, whose job it is to see that irregularities are tended to, is the final say on those registered to vote through ACORN, NOT the group the GOP is trying so mightily to undermine. It is a shameless, dirty ploy by shameless, dirty Republicans to perpetuate the notion that ACORN is undermining the GOP chance of winning. How typical that the Party responsible for the biggest heists in our election history: 2000 and 2004 elections, is now crying about a group that will help the poorest and the most vulnerable practice their civic duty and make their voices heard, too - without a Rethug working to keep them silenced.
That IS what it's all about----keeping the poorest, most elderly and disenfranchised from voting. The more people who show up at the polls, the bigger the loss in the GOP. And when the margin is too wide that the Rethugs can't cheat [like in 2006], they lose BIG.
Rethuglicans. Thank goodness the party is shrinking. |
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I think the intended title would be something along the lines of
"Obama admits greater ACORN involvement"
which I would still argue with, but at least it would represent the content of your post. |
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well, now the headline is getting closer to making sense.
but again, if you are arguing that the new statement means he had more involvement with ACORN, then if anything Obama was correcting a misleading statement which still contradicts your headline.
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You're saying rather than correct the statement to better comply with the facts, they should have let it stand as is?
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I still don't see any evidence presented that he worked as a trainer, organizer, or any type of employee.
if anything the line was probably revised in order to make it a more concrete provable statment, as the original one could be open to interpretation and I think they are trying to keep that site as interpretation free as possible.
also, your headline doesn't make any sense, because he didn't delete any ties to ACORN, if anything, as this article attempts to present, it allows for a possibility of more involvement than the first statement (though as I argued above, I think it was just changed because the new statment is 100% verifiable). |
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