Monday, January 07, 2008
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"Romney Closes The Deal"
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Posted by:
Hugh Hewitt at
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From PrestoPundit:
Mitt Romney routed McCain, Huckabee and the also-rans in Sunday Night’s GOP Presidential forum among undecided Republican voters in New Hampshire. Romney’s answers on taxes, immigration and changing Washington literally went off Frank Luntz’s dial-o-matic voter response charts — while Huckabee and McCain tanked among these undecided voters on the issues of credibility, immigration and taxation.
This one is over folks.
It’s going to be Romney vs. Obama in the fall — and this is going to be one for the history books.
I think this is optimistic, but does reflect the overwhelming consensus that Romney won the night and the weekend.
More from Powerline --many posts in fact. Scroll down.
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theres something inherently wrong about romney. he is by far the worst candidate. do you notice how all the candidates except for romney are real. none of them are perfect and they admit to thier mistakes. Romney never admits to any mistake, he just changes his position and then attacks you for the same position on which he agreed with you previously.
Example, immigration. He supported McCains plan previously, but now he no longer supports it and now attacking him over the plan. This is backstabing and untrustworthy behaviour. Someone like this should never become president and I personally will do everthing I can to stop this man.
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If I only had a nickel everytime Hugh declared the race over for Mitt with his hands over his ears to everyone else. |
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You are correct Hugh, Romney won tonight and especially routed McCain and Huckabee.
I'm not a big fan of Mitt, but do want to see him do better so very glad to see this improvement! |
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A very strong showing tonight.
Hoping that indication is true as Mr. Hewitt posted, for Romney would be a fine Conservative Candidate to represent the GOP in 2008.
Very strong, articulate, insightful... |
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You know, copying and pasting the same babbling comment over and over again on every single post doesn't make it any more intelligible.
The same goes for ProfessorX, who should be along shortly to paste his boilerplate "proof" that Schmuckabee will be the next President. |
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strengths....Wow-- Mitt hit it out of the park tonight. It was good to see him in this kind of "real discussion" forum. It finally gives him a chance to show his command of the issues, not just with 30 second sound bites and one liners (a la Huckabee). McCain is old, tired and so off base concerning his support for illegals and tax policy. Huckabee is like a Jr. Exec. trying to sit at the table with the big boys---attempting to present himself in the same league, but not even coming close. Huckabee and his grasp of the issues really are one inch deep. Romney's the only one that comes across as having the depth and ability to take down the Obama wave... Absolutely Mitt's night.... |
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The for of denial around Romney's obvious demise is impenetrable dense.
Here's InTrade, right now, post debate:
McCain 81.5 +5.8
Romney 20.0 -0.5
http://www.intrade.com/jsp/intrade/contractSearch/index.jsp ?query=new+hampshire
Couple more data points:
Vermont’s Republican Gov. Jim Douglas is going to endorse the presidential candidacy of Arizona Sen. John McCain.
http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AI D=200880106003
John McCain and Barack Obama won tonight’s debates here in New Hampshire not because of what they did but because of what others did for them. The mass Republican assault on Mitt Romney, which McCain joined in, ensured that McCain’s chief rival in the state left the debate bloodied and bruised.
Logic had little to do with the collective beating administered to Romney, who is no longer the front runner, tonight. In the spin room, surrogates for the other Republican candidates admitted that they all share a mutual dislike of the former Massachusetts governor.
http://www.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/433146/the-winners-m ccain-and-obama.thtml
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So, Romney gets pasted in the debate, ripped by *every* other candidate, is getting creamed in the polls, and Hugh thinks the debate was a Romney victory?
Acceptance of reality is going to be painful.
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You guys are like a friggin' B grade horror movie where the monkey with symbols doesn't friggin' stop banging.
You think Romney sucks. You think Hugh has lost it. Enough already. I think you clowns have an SMS service integrated with RSS so you get texts to your phone the minute Hugh posts something - giving to the chance to bag away with all but the annoying 'FIRST!' and 'PWNED - Hugh sucks!'. It's like your a bunch of Paulbots that have lost a reason to support your candidate so now you taken up residence here. |
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For Hugh to say that Mitt _didn't_ win a debate? A dead girl? A live boy? A nipple slip? |
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... that should be: "The fog of denial around Romney's obvious demise is impenetrably dense"
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This is actually worse spin than the MSM.
For a commentator to have made a big case against MSM bias, then come out with such bias himself, to the point of obsession, extreme obsession is to insult the intelligence of his listeners.
Romney did ok in this debate. In honesty McCain did ok also. Romney was not hit back in this debate as much as he was in the other one, where Romney people tried to claim that he won because everyone focused on him.
In honesty, pretty much all the cannidates did ok in this debate, but none of them really did great.
Perhaps HH means this to be making fun of himself for being so obsessed and biased for Romney.
Romney did say hats off to Mike Huckabee for winning Iowa and that was a good move. I will give him some credit for that. Romney also admitted that his attack ads don't tell the whole story.
As far as NH goes McCain has been going up in the polls a lot and now has a lead over Romney according to most polls. And I don't know if it means anything but the intrade number for McCain is very big and for Romney it is not that big. But in any case the polls seem to say that McCain is gaining and keeping a lead over Romney, and if Romney loses NH as well as Iowa, then it will mean that Romney lost the two main states that he focused the most on and that were an essential part of his plan. McCain also seemed much better on the cutting spending issue in this debate. We will see what happens but it looks like NH is going for McCain. |
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I agree that Mitt was brilliant, but not just his answers, but his command of the room. He looks youthful and energized. Look, those of you on the fence about Mitt know this, if Obama gets in a debate with McCain, your going to see an old short guy and a youthful tall new comer with incredible appeal. If McCain is our nominee, its over, period. Mitt is youthful and more importantly a fantastic debater who can take Obama on and force the issue to substance. Just think about it. |
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With good reason. you can take Hugh's predictions to the bank, if you just
switch the words win and lose.
he is right about one thing: its over.
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It's amazing how you just don't get it and probably never will. Huck had a bad night tonight, no doubt about it. Mitt had a good, not great, but good night tonight (good in the sense that he seemed more forceful and poised) and McCain did the best overall and probably sowed up NH tonight.
That said, a bad night for Huckabee still beats Mitt when it comes to the voters. Why? Because Huck talks to the voters, not just down to his opponents. Mitt looked like the the brown noser at the head of the class bullying a classmate while the rest of the class was thinking to themselves "Will this guy ever just shut up, because I want to hear more from the new kid." If voters just wanted a good debater and a policy wonk, then Mitt did himself a great deal of good. But if NH voters were looking for a guy that they can relate to and understand, then I don't think that Huck or McCain hurt themselves at all and in fact, probably did themselves a great deal of good. Mitt tells you why not to vote for his opponents, but never tells you why anyone should really vote for him.
I guess we'll find out Tuesday just how much NH voters were impressed by Mitt tonight but ultimately I think the damage (his inability to tell the truth - for crying out loud he flip flopped again between this morning on Fox and tonight's debate regarding comments he made about McCain) is priced in. |
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we all know that McCain and Kennedy, in secret
wrote that disaster Amnesty bill, and tried to shove it down our throats:
NOW HE WANTS TO REPRESENT THE US citizens:
before he was PRO ILLEGALS who had invaded the US
and he was stomping and pushing to get rights for Illegals and all of their relatives and the relatives of those relatives that US citizens would not get:
NO PRO ILLEGALS PRESIDENT NEEDED
McCain needs to run for President of Mexico:
It is a disgrace that IN THE USA in many states already: Highly qualified professional employment seekers are required to SPEAK SPANISH to be given parity consideration for good jobs in EDUCATION, Law enforcement, Health Care etc.
Under McCain you will all have to press 2 for English |
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What does he really stand for? I mean what issue is he really passionate about and feels strongly about?
Can he be trusted on any issue? I know he's a successfull CEO in terms of revenue for his company. But running a company is not same as running a country. You can't lay-off people to raise the bottom line.
You have to deal with poor, middle class and rich people. You have to tackle unpopular issues. Can you imagine someone like Romney fighting for civil rights? He would flip-flop a hundred times.
Look at his sons. They all took the easy way out which is thier right. But I have a problem with him being so hawkish when none of his kids is in iraq and then comparing his sons to those in Iraq. This sleazeball is out of touch with mainstream america.
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> if Obama gets in a debate with McCain, your going to see an old short guy and a youthful tall new comer with incredible appeal.
For Rombots, it really is all about looks and attitude, isn't it?
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Is that all McCain the PRO ILLEGALS candidate has to offer:
HE WILL GET BIN LADEN, that is an insult to
the Comanders in Afghanistan who are busting their butts, risking their lives every day to get Bin Laden:
IF Mccain thinks it is such a slam dunk,
he needs to suit up and hustle over there and
pick up Bin Laden:
What is he waiting for he's been a SENATOR
for all of these years, why isn't he doing his job as a SENATOR ??
NO PRO ILLGALS PRESIDENT NEEDED
McCain needs to go run for President of Mexico |
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If you watched the debate this past two days hope you all make the wise decision. Gov. Romney has proven it, he is the right nominee and president of America. Please set aside all the shallow perspectives you have on Mitt and let him change the toughest issues we are facing. I dont want him to run again because we disqualified him this year. I believe he can make America prosperous and strong once again. |
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Im not a Romnbot, but I am a realist. Why do you think Obama is so popular? Is it substance? No i think not, its his persona and his attitude, and it matters. Being eloquent and having appeal is a necessary part of campaigning and always will be. I was for Thompson, but he has no chance, McCain alienates to many conservatives as does Guiliani, Huckabee is a populist who demonstrated in the debate that he is outclassed and demonstrated lack of knowledge on almost every issue. Appeal matters, we can realize it and win, or say hello to president Obama, because if you think an old guy who only wants one term is inspiring your wrong. |
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wait till start throwing things, I just have a different spin. The expectations for Romney are so low now that just showing up and sound coherent is a good night. With the expectation game so low, it doesn't take much to hit it out of the park. Will it correlate to a win in New Hamsphire, not a chance. Will he win Michigan...perhaps, but not sure bet. Will he win South Carolina...not a chance. Can he continue to throw money down a dry hole, you betcha. Hugh said all along it's a two man race, and he's right there - just picked the wrong players. It's McCain and Huckabee now, with Rudy and outside third. |
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Just show the many video clips of how the
ARROGANT Obama refused to salute the flag
HE WANTS TO BE COMMANDER IN CHIEF ??
He wants to give all illegals amnesty and
then their relatives and the relatives of their relatives a get in free card:
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is the embodiment of everything that is wrong with the republican party for obvious reasons. He would rather have someone like Barack Obama or John Edwards in office than see Mitt Romney in there. How asinine can one get? Also, rockerisback is not alone in his/her drive to act in a way that ensures a democrat in the white house for the next eight years.
Newsflash: According to Rockerisback a politician changed a policy position.
Grow up. If this is the premise of the crazies on the right then not a single individual running is a qualified candidate, except for Ron Paul. He is as eccentric in his views today as he has been from day one. I am afraid for the future of the GOP if it really consists of those like Rockerisback and those who will vote for the Huck due to his religious affiliation. Do not attempt to misconstrue the last remark as if I said everyone votes for Huck on the premise of religion. There is however and irrefutably large number who do just that. |
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I would say McCain won. I would say Romney came off looking like a fool. Everyone made fun of him and it was great. What was really funny was Romney couldn't take it, he dishes it out in his ads but can't take it and cries foul when he gets made fun of right to his face. Romney is a joke, he makes me laugh. McCain and Fred got him good. Romney won't win a single state. |
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Remember when Mike asked Mitt point blank of Mitt opposed the Bush tax cuts in 2002. Well it looks like the only thing Mike got wrong was the year...it wasn't 2002, it was 2003.
Romney Opposed the 2003 Bush Tax Cuts
Contact: Press Office, 571-730-1010; http://www.Fred08.com
MC LEAN, Va., Jan. 6 /Standard Newswire/ -- "In 2003, the Governor refused to endorse the Bush tax cuts, earning the praise of Massachusetts liberal congressman Barney Frank." ("The Romney Record: Promise and Puzzlement," Club For Growth, http://www.clubforgrowth.org, accessed 9/12/07)
Romney Said He "Won't Be A Cheerleader" For Tax Cut Proposals He Disagrees With. "According to the observer, who spoke on condition of anonymity, Romney told the delegation that he 'won't be a cheerleader' for proposals he doesn't agree with, 'but I have to keep a solid relationship with the White House.'" (Wayne Washington and Glen Johnson, "Romney Weighs In - Carefully - On Bush Tax Cut Plan; Governor Won't Give His Endorsement," Boston Globe, 4/11/03)
Romney's Position Pleased Liberal Barney Frank. "'I was very pleased,' Frank said afterward. 'Here you have a freshman governor refusing to endorse a tax cut presented by a Republican president at the height of his wartime popularity.'" (Wayne Washington and Glen Johnson, "Romney Weighs In - Carefully - On Bush Tax Cut Plan; Governor Won't Give His Endorsement," Boston Globe, 4/11/03)
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I want Mitt because he is the only one who can beat the Dem's. He's well spoken,(you can't say that about Obama,cause that would be racist) looks like a president,acts like a president, is smarter than a president, knows how to create jobs and bring back businesses that are failing, well educated,and yes, I can go on and on..... I do not want to let the Leftist Media telling me who to vote for. They talk about how much money Mitt has spent, but nothing is said about all the free 24/7 coverage that they give Huck-be-gone and McCain. Let's see do I believe the Leftist Media are going to help Republicans put the best man out there? Ah.....No! I think they will push anyone that they think the Democrats can beat. Huck has as much baggage as Hillary does, and McCain sides with the Democrats, way too much! If you are a real Republican, you have to believe what I am saying is true. |
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McCain has been Senator forever
BIG POWER
SO NOW he says he can do all of the things
he FAILED to DO AS A POWERHOUSE SENATOR:???
WHAT HAS HE BEEN WAITING FOR sitting on his behind doing NOTHING all of these years when HE HAD ALL OF THE POWER in the Senate ??
OH RIGHT< he sneaked behind closed doors and wrote that AMNESTY bill with KENNEDY which OPENED THE BORDERS to all of the criminals invading this country:
HE TRIED TO SHOVE THAT DOWN OUR THROATS: WE had to STOP THAT ALL POWERFUL WISE SENATOR:::
HE was giving all of the candy to the illegals as a reward for getting in in the dark of night:
NOT ANY RIGHTS HE WAS willing to give US Citizens:
HE even said all of the illegals could bring in all of their relatives and the relatives of those relatives with a GET IN FREE PASS:
UNDER McCain this country will become a 3rd world country: HE NEEDS TO GO RUN FOR PRESIDENT OF MEXICO:
pathetic: because of POWER like McCain
in most states people have to SPEAK SPANISH TO GET PROFESSIONAL JOBS:
that is STRAIGHT TALK coming from his mouth
ALL TALK< ZERO action on behalf of the US
citizens;
NOW he says he finally wants and deserves a chance to represent US CITIZENS |
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This is two separate links, 1 from Sep, 1 from tonight. Frank FU Luntz is talking to a "panel" of "undecided voters after the debate. Notice how the same guy is in both panels. Is he an actor?
Link 1-tonight 1:22
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rer_7TasNhQ
Link 2-Sept 3:43
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYLVgMF9R9g&feature=related
Fair and Balance? You decide.
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But appeal is much more than looks and "youthfulness".
And if anyone actually believes that Barak Hussein Obama has a snowball's chance to be elected President in this country...
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GEE that all POWERFUL Senator McCain
was out shoving his Amnesty for illegals down our throats for months he was representing the criminal illegals
NOW HE WANTS TO REPRESENT US CITIZENS
that was his JOB as that all POWERFUL
US SENATOR
what is with the switch here:
HE HAD YEARS as that all POWERFUL SENATOR TO GET BIN LADEN, what was he waiting for ? |
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This is two separate links, 1 from Sep, 1 from tonight. Frank FU Luntz is talking to a "panel" of "undecided voters after the debate. Notice how the same guy is in both panels. Is he an actor?
Link 1-tonight 1:22
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rer_7TasNhQ
Link 2-Sept 3:43
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYLVgMF9R9g&feature=related
Fair and Balance? You decide.
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..it seems like the Mittster won the debate. That's great news. Bring his weasely, nuanced, flip-flopping, exploitive, pandering, corporatized candidacy on! He's the guy we want to face, that's for sure.. |
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Integrity counts for something. This country was made great by the blood of people with strong convictions who fought for those convictions and were willing to sacrifice everything for what they believed in. Romney is the worst type of politician. One who does not believe in anything. Who does not stand for anything.
Being articulate and a good seller does not mean much if you cant be trusted. |
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How can he be touted as the best candidate to beat the dems? Where's the data?
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Young people, for the first time, myself included (23) are going to be voting for the first time in this election and a alot of my friends and others love Obama, while the young conservative identify with Mitt. For the first time youth is going to matter and Washington politics and conventional wisdom is going to be thrown out the window. McCain, Guiliani, Huckabee,ect all have too much baggage and people are over it. Mitt is the only one with enough broad appeal to have a shot. |
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Nancy, you're overestimating the "rock the vote" impact.
You want baggage (and a cypher, to boot)? So far, Obama's been given the kid gloves. He's toxic.
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In all honesty, if Hillary campaigns like I expect her too (dirty) she may very well take out Obama, in which case I see McCain as a viable alternative to beat her. However, the medias shrill response to Romney only cements my feeling that the MSM and democrats are scared of the guy. Has he changed opinions on issues? Yeah, but so have all of them, but he has the money, the presence and the economic experience ( I think that will be a bigger issue then Iraq) to not only solidify the GOP base, but to steal votes from Mr. Sunshine as well. If Hillary wins, her own party doesnt like her and any of our guys could win. |
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Wrong. Obama is the next President of the United States. You know, you guys call him a cyper or an empty suit or whatever. What I see is a magnificent soul. I see an American leader of the first magnitude. I see a guy who can, by force of his goodness and his smarts, reconfigure this country's civic life.
We are both looking at the same guy. But then, American conservatives are living proof that men of fine character are not necessarily skilled at determining the character of others. |
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Don't look now, but Romeny just won 8 more delegates from the great State of Wyoming!!! Let's see, if my math is correct (help me out here, will ya?) that would make...26 delegates for Romeny, 20 for Huckmiester, 4 Thompson, 3
McCain and 1 for Hunter. Sorry Paul. You don't register yet.
that would mean that as of right now, Mitt has the lead, even though he's won one state, and placed second in another. Even placing 2 in NH, will still keep in in the lead for delegates. But somehow, after tonights performcance, I think the Bro. Mitt, is walking away with the gold. |
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When I see Obama, I see a guy who won't show his white mom in public, because it detracts from the message. I see a guy who's never worked in a real job, made a paycheck or made payroll, but someone who has had the sweet ride off the government's backs. Yes,he's smart, handsome and has a good looking family. But can he pitch? Nope. Romney will eat him for lunch, then offer him a job somewhere in timbucktoo. |
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"Romney won't win a single state."
Romney has already won Wyoming. It may not be a very big state, but it's big enough to cast serious doubt on your credibility. |
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MITT CLEARLY WON
1.MITT CLEARLY WON!He has an optimistic goal for the future & I love that.We need a fiscal conservative to take over & he'd be excellent on the War.His so called "attack adds" are really "EXPOSURE ADDS", Hickabee & McComplain don't like to have to defend THEIR RECORDS!
2.I like Fred & understand his calm southern demeanor, he just needs to be more enthusiastic. He'd be a great Vice.
3.McCain tried hard not to be a jerk tonight. I respect him as a military hero. He's too bombastic to be Pres & has aligned himself with libs (Gang of 14,McCain/Feingold,defected with Ted Kennedy on education,disapproved of Bush's tax cuts, & weak on immigration).
4.Huckabee,where do I begin? Hickabee is a fraud, he LIED & took credit for the highway improvements in AR which he actually inherited. Sam Walton & the Walton Family funded the highway improvements before Wannabee was even governor!His Illegal Immigrant stance is contradictory & weak, these people are Breaking the Law! He couldn't answer a question directly,& jazzed around the issues. Romney knew his tax record better than Hickabee did. Thompson even had to explain Habeas Corpus to Hickabee. He seems prejudice against Mitt(is it because Romney's a Mormon,Romney's been successful,maybe because Romney's exposed his failures & makes him accountable,or a combo of all?).
5.Rudy cleaned up NY & was fantastic after 9/11. But,I don't want him as president & disagree with him on many issues (illegal immigrant stance for 1).He seemed uninterested tonight & should've seized the free opportunity to impress the NH electorate
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Barack's mom passed away in 1995. |
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I just looked at the internals of the CNN/WMUR poll that has McCain at 32 and Romney at 26.
This poll lists 5 % no opinion, 28 % still deciding and 30 % leaning. Only 42 % have decided on a candidate in the Rep Primary. The debate can shift these results a lot.
Further, this poll indicates that 49 % of the independents will vote Rep. I find that hard to believe. These polls are no more accurate than their ability to predict how many independents will vote in the Rep Primary. 49 % voting in the Rep primary may overstate McCain's support.
Does anyone know how good McCain's GOTV is?
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You Mitt haters are so much a broken record. You have obvisiously made your minds up against Mitt, and hope your venimous comments will sway others. I would just ask that if there is anybody reading these comments who has not made up their minds yet, ensure to look at the facts and issues. They paint a different picture than the Mitt haters are trying to project. |
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Why so many in NH prefer Amnesty McCain is beyond me. Go Mitt! |
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lol http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLjCxojI0NM |
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Please keep in mind Bill Clinton lost the first 5 states before he went on to win the nomination. Mitt has won WY, run second in IA and will run first or second in NH.
He has the staying power to go to the convention and has immigration and the economic conservatives to power him. He has already switched to a selective national strategy and will max his delegate count. He will be in better shape than Rudy on Super T.
Huck has no NH bounce out of IA and is looking more and more like a fluke candidate who can only win IA. He had some really bad moments in the debate. He is evasive and has real opposition. He is part of a pac with Rudy and McCain.
McCain is broke, has a poor fund raising record and can only win in states that allow independents to vote (and only if Rudy is out of the race). McCain is going nowhere even if he wins NH as the main part of the Reps do not like him.
By Super T it will be a Romney Rudy race or a Romney Rudy/Huckabee race. Romney is not going to drop out. He can roll into a brokered convention and pull out a win against 1 or more liberals. |
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And until Saturday's display of total incompetence, I once even had a soft spot for Ron Paul.
So my reactions to the debate and the Lutz focus group are my honest reactions to the debate & the focus group responses, and they aren't about spinning for the Mitt Romney campaign.
For whatever reason I've never been a Mitt Romney supporter -- despite the fact that I've always been attracted to his personality, his character, and his intelligence. I like grown ups and I like long term displays of excellence and competence. Romney has both of these qualities.
But I have changed my mind about supporting Romney's campaign for President.
Besides the debates, maybe I should give some credit to my dad, who started talking some sense into me about Romney on Friday. In fact, rather than the sort of un-serious baby boomer we've come to expect in politics, Romney reminds me of the generation of my dad and his peers -- a extremely competent grown-up generation coming of age just before the baby boomers -- the McCain generation without the nastiness and flyboy irresponsibility.
So I count Romney as one of those under the radar boomers undamaged by their generational affiliation, who did something serious with their lives and left the rest of us alone. I give him big points for that.
So, yes, put me down as optimistic about the prospects of a Romney Presidency. My gut tells me it's going to happen -- and my head tells me it could and should happen. |
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What a refreshing post! Thank you for your comments. |
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Bmessenger posted 1/7/08 @ 12:51am. The truth.
Romney point blank lied when Huckabee asked Mitt if he opposed the Bush Tax cuts of 2003.
I knew it, the expression Mike Huckabee had on his face showed that he knew it too.
You'd think Mit would play it straight after Mitt's gaffe from the Saturday debate. Mitt said he didn't use the word "amnesty" in ads against McCain. Then when Mitt's mailers and TV ads were shown to Mitt on Sunday, Mitt said he didn't know they were running.
Pause... A candidate of Mitt's caliber doesn't know what TV ads are running or what mailers are being sent out?
I need to suspend my disbelief!!!
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Fabius -- we vote out here in California in less that a month. And like many Republicans, I've often thrown my hands up in the air with this field of candidates -- folks with strengths of various kinds, but candidates out of sync with me on important issues. I still like Hunter, but he's a goner. I've learned things about Giuliani which caused me to change my mind. I'm still not ecstatic about Romney but I do think he'd be a good President. I think the same about Thompson.
What my dad sees in Mitt is executive competence -- my dad's own stock in trade. He reminded me this is something truly worth valuing. And he's right -- which more often than not a dad can be, as my own kids even appreciate.
Dad didn't mention it, but a reputation for executive competence isn't such a bad thing to take with you into an election to replace a President with with a rather different reputation (whether deserved or not). |
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Poor people smell like freshly pressed dollar bills.
Clearly you have been a senator in a past life and have no experiance with peeling bananas for yourself, but instead had curious george theorizing that if you use a zuccini instead you may achieve better results.
But peeling a zuccinni needs a knife, and knives are violent. So now we have a dead monkey, a man in a yellow suit on trial and the poor people still smell like dollar bills.
Who can clear this up ? Ron Paul, because the IRS is illegal and only numchucks can defeat chuck norris and his attempt to tax poor people on their toilet paper usage to fund his total gym R&D. |
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Great two blogs liked Romney. Wow. What a fine and informative post. Romney did well in a debate? That's news. Too bad it can't fix his terrible performance from Saturday. People aren't fooled any more by Mitt Flip Flopper Romney. |
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Sunday's debate, but I thought Fred won Sats debate. I', fine with either guy. The problem is that I don't think Mitt can win tne nomination because when other candidates start dropping out I don't think any of their supporters will go to Mitt - especially not Huck's or John. They will go to Rudy, which is my nightmare. It may be over, and it may be Rudy's. |
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When you look at the number of competent people who Bush (Republican) has appointed and they are minorities, you refuse to see past your own nose. Get a grip! Those days are over and by the way, it was the Republicans in congress who helped Pres Johnson pass the civil rights bills. Not the dems, like Gore's dad. |
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it would appear that you are "off" your rocker.
Seriously, chump. You claim in the first post on this thread that Mitt Romney "NEVER" admits to any mistake.
Hey chump, I am undecided in who it is I am going to support---other than the fact it will be a conservative. But, I heard the exchange last night on Fox News. Once again, I personally heard, with my own ears, Mitt Romney admitting to his "MISTAKE" in being on the wrong side of the abortion debate. HE SAID IT! And it has not been the first time. He has admitted his "MISTAKE" in supporting abortions in the past and he admits that he changed his position.
HE ADMITTED IT-------------contrary to your incredibly idiotic claim that he, "never admits to any mistake".
Personally, if i see you post on this site again, I will flag you as offensive for making such asinine statements. Otherwise, I do not give a cr*p who you support for president. |
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I already have Mitt's VP picked out for him: Herman Cain or Michael Steele :-)
Stick that up your snot slingling nose, Peak Oil. |
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Hello Jorge......pardon me while I try to stop laughing here......okay, okay, I believe I can now control myself.
Pathetic Liberal has the audacity to write this to you about his impression of Hussein Obama----and I quote:
"We are both looking at the same guy. But then, American conservatives are living proof that men of fine character are not necessarily skilled at determining the character of others."
Pathetic Liberal is not only one of those Clintonista followers wo failed at seeing through "fine character" veneer of Mr. Clinton and his wife during the entire decade of the 1990's. Pathetic Liberal continues to revere the Clintons----to this day. Pathetic Liberal is living proof that Leftists and Liberals should not be qualified to comment on character issues. pathetic Liberal-----just this past week-----commented to NeoConScum with regards to Mrs. Clintonista, "Actually, I don't mind her that much".
Hey Jorge, I rest my case. |
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to get elected. He is a political "whore". Hope I can say that on TH. He does not stand for anything. A man without integrity, without a soul is a very dangerous man. He cannot be trusted on any issue because you dont know what his core beliefs are. He can change him mind the next second and you are left holding the bag. Can you imagine any republican or democrat working with the back-stabbing turd.
Yuck.
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The Drudge Report has a siren that Billary is considering droppin OUT!
Neo, some of these Kos Kids have got to take us out for steak on this one!
We had her pegged from the git go!
No humilitaion for her, someone close to her has cancer/Alztheimer's/constipation/menopausal homicidal tendencies/ and needs her complete attention!
Clarity, just picture PL at a company party where everyone is downing drinks while they listen to him bloviate. |
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Dude, you are whacked, in the very real sense of the word, "whacked".
The way in which a Boston cabby blurts out, "whacked" whilst addressing some pedestrian who steps from a curb into oncoming traffic made up of 5,000 lb. vehicles travelling at speeds in excess of 45 mph-----"WHACKED".
You claim just above, (at 2:11 AM, during your nightmare state) that the "republican base is racist". That is offensive. I mean if I was a Leftist or a Liberal, I would walk right down to my human resources manager and demand that you be enrolled in sensitivity training, at the very least. Then I would call my lawyer (not of the LaboriousLawyer variety) and sue your boney little A$$.
Thank goodness for your sake that I am neither a Leftist nor a Liberal. Amen.
What a pathetic comment, from a boney little A$$ like you.
I believe Condoleezza Rice would take exception with your spew.
I believe Colin Powell would make mince meat of your guttersniping.
And, I damn sure know that Supreme Court Justice, Clarence Thomas, would like to have a few words with you and your foul mouth.
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Given that you did not retract your asinine comment---your BIG LIE---the one I referred to in my earlier post about you, you've been "officially" flagged.
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Why am I offensive to you? because I dont support Romney? Romney is a liar and a phony. I am not the only one who has said this. There are documented records of all his flip flops. I'll summarize them below and you can respond:
1) Pro-choice then became anti-abortion.
2) Pro gun control then because lifelong NRA member.
3) Pro gay rights. now supports marriage ban for gays.
4) Anti-tax but will support fees (same thing).
5) Does not want muslim in his cabinet, but wants religious tolerance for mormons.
6) Pro-McCain immigration bill, but now againist it.
Mind you all of these flip-flops happened in the last 2 years, just in time for the presidency.
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... the kid that would kick a hornet's nest, run and leave the nerdy kids behind to fend off the angry swarm weren't you?!?!? Reading the buzz after you making a post with a title like that makes me choke on my coffee sometimes!! |
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This Mitt cheerleader is seriously delusional. The results of the Lutz polling on this one debate has shaped and determined the outcome of the Republican primaries. Get a grip. Interesting that Hugh has already written off Giuliani and Thompson as also-rans after Iowa,Wyoming and Sunday's debate in New Hampshiere. |
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Hugh said that Mitt kicked butt in the debates. Of course he also said Mitt won every previous debate and that he should be winning in a landslide, but isn't because Repubs are anti-mormon and Mitt is the victim McCain, Huckabee, Thompson, Giuliani pact to remove the rich man from the race (Actually this one sounds more plausible.)
Now the truth. Romney did do much better in the debates, and had no gaffes and sounded strong on the issues. Actually though I thought Huck did fairly well (I will admit I am not a fan). McCain was about the same as he usually is which is feisty or crusty depending on your point of view, though I hardly say Mitt beat him badly, since McCains positions are so well known it is hard to spin them any differently. I doubt though that many independents would change their minds to Mitt based on these pereformance though. The two people though who I thought did the worst was Giuliani and Thomspon. They looked totally marginalized by the debates. Thompson especially would have looked more at home as the moderator.
Romney recovered some swagger this weekend. I am just wondering though, if like Hillary it is not too little too late in New Hampshire. I think there are some powerful feelings among people in both parties and those feelings are that the words base, pundits, conservative, liberal, and status quo are bad. The new words are change, leadership and maverick. Those are words that Obama, Huck and McCain have used well. Those words are coming late ot Hillary and Romney (Did you notice how many times Romney used the word "change" last night.) Romney desperately needs a win here because he needs a month to shake off the conservate base vibe and become a change agent. Ironically this is what I thought Romney was all along until he received bad advice from his consultants and Hugh Hewitt for this race.
Final words for Hugh. Be like George in Seinfeld. Always do the opposite!! |
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I fear for GOP voters if they are herded into thinking that NH and Iowa should determine our guy. Obama probably will be the candidate for the socialists, but do not either overestimate or underestimate his nomination. He really is a Change Artist with little 'beef'. But, the mob may elect him. So, the GOP must pick someone who can challenge his meatless CHANGE. McCain may be too old though the MSM is pushing him and the Huck because they would lose in Nov. Of course, John might actually be able to keep the Red states and pluck a blue state but that is still doubtful. Rudy could do it but the GOP seems hell bent on not giving him a shot. Mitt did win last night but just what blue state could he win? I don't see it. I am sick and tired of these two small states determining and brainwashing our electorate. How bout you? |
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If this is a change election year, lets keep in mind that the Republicans are already at a disadvantage by having one in the White House. Remember the last time change was the issue Bill Clinton was elected. I would agree with you that progressive and Republicans have generally not mixed. I would also agree with you that the McCain of 2000 would have been the best change candidate for today without immigration and tax baggage. Nevertheless, our strongest candidate may be a contrarian. Someone who is add odds with the party on a few issues. Huck, McCain and Giuliani all seem in the camp. Romney is now slowly coming around, but it may be too late for him (It is ironic that he won in Massachusetts as a change agent, and has worn the establishment mantle unconfortably) and look what happened to our other three "Establishment" candidates Brownback, Hunter and Thompson.
We may need a strange candidate for a strange election. |
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immediate intervention on the "oil" man, yesterday. Since, he has not responded to you, today, hopefully, his family has stepped in and he currently has a black hood over his head and is headed for the wilderness just west of Moab for several months, followed by around the clock, PSYCHOANALYSIS, and absolutely, no politics ever again. A man's life hangs in the balance. |
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So is the oil man a lefty or pyschotic right winger???
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"Dems were the vast majority in the Congress. It was a Dem bill passed with Dem support and signed by a Dem president.
And where was the GOP on the bill?"
Brob in your frenzy to call Bambi to the rug, you might want to engage in the slightest of research. Per a 2 minute browse of Wikipedia:
VOTE ON CIVIL RIGHTS ACT OF 1964
BY PARTY
The original House version:
Democratic Party: 164-96 (64%-39%)
Republican Party: 138-34 (80%-20%)
The Senate version:
Democratic Party: 46-22 (68%-32%)
Republican Party: 27-6 (82%-18%)
The Senate version, voted on by the House:
Democratic Party: 153-91 (63%-37%)
Republican Party: 186-35 (80%-20%)
By party and region
Note : "Southern" = eleven states that made up the Confederate States of America in the American Civil War. "Northern" refers to members from the other 39 states, regardless of the geographic location of those states.
The original House version:
Southern Democrats: 100-87 (7%-93%)
Southern Republicans: 0-10 (0%-100%)
Northern Democrats: 145-9 (94%-6%)
Northern Republicans: 138-24 (85%-15%)
The Senate version:
Southern Democrats: 1-20 (5%-95%) (only Senator Ralph Yarborough of Texas voted in favor)
Southern Republicans: 0-1 (0%-100%) (this was Senator John Tower of Texas)
Northern Democrats: 45-1 (98%-2%) (only Senator Robert Byrd of West Virginia opposed the measure)
Northern Republicans: 27-5 (84%-16%) (Senators Bourke Hickenlooper of Iowa, Barry Goldwater of Arizona, Edwin L. Mechem of New Mexico, Milward L. Simpson of Wyoming, and Norris H. Cotton of New Hampshire opposed the measure) |
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question is a Pauley-boy. Won't quite admit it, but I've had him nailed since his first day here a few weeks ago. And, as we all can agree, Mad as a Friggin'Hatter!! Cotton suggested Moab and I revised it to a Waterboarding in Moab. Hey, I'm a Sensitive Little Fuzzball--as is well known.
40-seconds(tops)and the greasy guy would be squealing for Mitt. I've got my Dreams! |
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I went through this same exercise with the impermeable ignorance (not to mention inexhaustible arrogance) of bRoberta.
I explained that no better example exists today of Democratic support for racism than the highest politician in their ranks, the "esteemed" Robert Byrd.
His KKK resume is pure in its hatred towards blacks. He was never made to account for this as he continues to garner the highest respect from his comrades.
I provided multiple additional examples----fell on her deaf ears, dumb thought process, blind vision.
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I can't buy what the Mittster says - even for a dollar. He's too slick, too polished, and too 'weasly' in how he talks about his current and past positions.
Can't believe I'm saying this, but I do agree with Ted Kennedy on one thing: "Mitt Romney isn't pro-choice, he's Multiple Choice."
There's only one consistently principled candidate in the race on the GOP side, and that is Ron Paul. Listen to what he said from his Town Hall meeting last nite:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxldrCsVByA&feature=user
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VQcpmfT0f4&feature=user
I'm tired of fake, neo-cons like Faux News, Hannity, Hewitt and Medved towing the Establishment line. Do your research about what each candidate believes in, and you'll find there's no contest who the best TRUE conservative candidate is - no matter what your favorite talk show host says.
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who says he's a Rupaulian. Whatever, he is, an intervention must be done and soon, even if we only save one, isn't it worth it!
Colonel Bat, Concerning Brobby/Briggsy, incidentally, i consider them one in the same, joined at the hip, leaving in their parents basement. They represent the typical liberal voter, either, living in Sec. 8 housing or in their case, their parents basement, and receiving various other forms of govt. welfare. That represents, the core of the democrat party.
Also, Colonel, never invoke facts to these two, it would completely destroy their world view.
Neo, i do like that waterboard idea, that might mean less, PSYCHOANALYSIS, would be needed but still no politics, EVER!!!
Also, as a public service, to you liberal number crunchers out there, since the Iraq War began, 6,194,988 babies have been murdered in abortions, right here in this country. Oh, but, i almost forgot because of the second amendment, that absolves the left of any blame.
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I know trying to argue facts with lefties is an exercise in futility but all exercise is good for the exerciser. |
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Waterboard the little squid. He's completely deranged. But, Moab is an inspiration on where to 're-educate' him.
Clarity, ColBat, 'Hawk, 'Elder, Cotton...The utter repeated infestation of Hucksters, McCainiacs and Paulies is tiresome, isn't it?
Waterboard them ALL. :-) (-: |
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