GLENN: Well, okay. Let's take them one by one. Tell me about John McCain, something that I don't know.
JOE THE PLUMBER: Well, something you don't know, actually it's probably stuff that you've already guessed and has already been painted in the different media spotlights. Just, well, you know, the bailouts. When I was on the bus with him, I asked him a lot of questions about the bailout because most Americans did not want that to happen, yet he voted for it. At the same time he's talking about how he's going to make somebody famous if they even think about putting pork in the bill? We all know how much pork was in the $700 billion bailout package. And why did he vote for it? And I asked him pretty direct questions and some of the answers you guys are going to receive, you know, they appalled me, absolutely. You know, I was angry. In fact, I wanted to get off the bus after I talked to him.
GLENN: Really?
JOE THE PLUMBER: Oh, yeah.
GLENN: Why didn't you get off the bus?
JOE THE PLUMBER: Honestly because the thought of Barack Obama becoming President scares me even more.
GLENN: Okay. Now, let me just --
JOE THE PLUMBER: I almost --
GLENN: Let me play devil's advocate here and let me play the New York Times, except I'll be fair. Isn't that part of the problem, Joe, that people will sell out their values because they will say, "No, well, I just don't want that; so I'll take this, I'll settle for this." Isn't that the problem with our system of government right now is we've settled for so long, we keep getting something that we don't want and it just gets worse and worse and worse.
JOE THE PLUMBER: Well, and that's exactly right. I mean, you know, hopefully I wasn't too big a proponent of that, this -- what do you call it -- tripping post, if you will. There isn't somebody. Neither campaign put out a -- no, I'm not going to speak for the Democrats but I mean, the Republicans didn't put out a candidate for us to really vote for. It's the lesser of two evils. When you get to that level, you've compromised your principles, you've compromised your values so often and you owe your soul to whatever special interest group or lobbyist has padded your campaign finances and everything else that you no longer are your own man. So you can no longer stand on your own feet because they've been cut out from underneath you years ago.
GLENN: What did you think of Sarah Palin?
JOE THE PLUMBER: Sarah Palin's absolutely the real deal. You know, I only got to spend a short amount of time with her but, you know, it was been asked if I felt any presence when I was with John McCain or Barack Obama. You know, with Sarah Palin, I don't want to say I felt a presence but she definitely had energy and she definitely went to work for American people, and it disgusts me on how often they try to bash her just for her sincerity. It's just, you know, she really wants to work for America and I mean, I wish people would listen to her and let them, and let her work for us. You know, she wants to serve us. She's not looking for power.