Thursday, December 04, 2008
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The Aftermath of Mumbai
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Posted by:
Hugh Hewitt at
9:46 AM
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Conversations with Christopher Hitchens (transcript here, podcast here);
Robert Kaplan (transcript here, podcast here); and
Douglas Frantz (transcript here)
Background on the greater war in which the attacks on Mumbai are just the latest chapter in The War Against the West.
Hitchens admits to being "very depressed by the parochialism of our media," and the speed with which the MSM has left the story of the attacks on Mumbai is astonishing. It is the same war that is being waged in Iraq and Afghanistan, and which has struck in Madrid, London and of course again and again in Israel. Imagine if the world had stopped covering 9/11 a week later. That is pretty much what we are seeing in the American media right now. Is the subject too complicated for them?
Yesterday's New York Times carried a fine column by Thomas Friedman which asked:
[I]f 10 young Indians from a splinter wing of the Hindu nationalist Bharatiya Janata Party traveled by boat to Pakistan, shot up two hotels in Karachi and the central train station, killed at least 173 people, and then, for good measure, murdered the imam and his wife at a Saudi-financed mosque while they were cradling their 2-year-old son — purely because they were Sunni Muslims — where would we be today?
There is a related question for American MSM: If a European city had been the scene of a slaughter on par with that in Mumbai, would you be covering it with greater interest and detail than you are covering India?
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get a stern lecture and finger wag about--pause--the principled life you need to be leading.
WHEW. |
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Stop campaigning, sloganeering, sound-biting and so on. The election is over. Time to roll up your sleeves and solve the problems of the world such as dealing with pyscho killers like the Mumbai terrorists. How are you liberals going to stop such evil? By sending the Islamofascists wind up Obama dolls that say "Yes we can!" ???
I haven't seen any real argument from you on how to handle the world issues differently with equal or better success. Apparently Obama can't find radically different alternatives either with his selection of Robert Gates (one of those stoopid Bushites behind the surge that Obama said wouldn't work) as his SecDef. I'll tip my hat to Obama for proving he may have ears in addition to that magical mouth. All you have is soundbites and campaign slogans |
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lots of insults, no real arguments. the face of contemporary conservatism.
i will say that i actually kind of agree with Cotton about the feminizing of American culture. but i also think there is a sweetspot that he is nowhere near. that's the principled life. that's what a principled man does. he reconciles conflicting values into a rational and coherent whole. you guys are all over the map, and as a result, to the extent you are the face of American conservatism, our country has suffered. |
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manure. Endless, vapid twaddle. |
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They sunk a Somali pirate ship in the Gulf of Aden.
Of course they rescued the pirates and fed them too!
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No country, no civilization, has ever gone tried harder, to fore go military action, like ours has the last 45 years. Over those, 45 years, this country has been transformed into a more "feminine" country. Western Civilization has been the loser, because of it. Our culture has been femininized, starting in grade school, where little boys cannot be little boys, instead the "little boy" is medicated out, with Ritalin. Throughout, education, masculinity is frowned upon, femininity is encouraged. This "femininizing" has even been allowed into the US Military. We can no longer fight wars to win, we have to be careful, we have to fight with kid gloves on, we cannot "look" like a brute. When, OBL, says that America, will not fight anymore, his assessment is correct. Islam is a male dominated religion, and as such, they see the West as weak, because of it's "feminization". For the West to win, the trend must be reversed, men must be allowed to fight, without the feminine influence, as an obstacle.
If, Western Civilization is in fact worth defending, then men must be allowed to defend it, because the left, the feminine influence in our culture, will not. In fact, they have declared war on Western Civilization.
Can the West survive, and defeat Islam? It can only do so, if it first defeats the left. |
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a point that i have made many times, here at HH. Believe it falls on deft ears. Abortion is far an away, the biggest moral failure of America. But, "God is not mocked". "Vengeance is mine, saith the Lord, i will repay". |
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If anyone sees her, please ask her if the "lunatic" road show, has protest plans for the Muslims. Miss Bondi, Muslims do not like you, and it is their sworn mission to reduce as many of your members as they can, to room temperature. Now i know i may be going out on a limb here, but that does sound, "hateful", don't it? Miss Bondi, Miss Bondi, this does sound like it could be classified as a "problem" for yoous guys, and as such, don't you think some of your hijinks should be directed at them, too!! Incidentally, how would you look in a "burka"? Just wonderin'! |
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PL's incomprehensible response -- his opening sentence is classic -- to my prior post is embarrassing.
Characterizing the "killing of millions of babies" as "stupid talk, wildly disproportionate" and "dramaqueenish" gives new meaning to the word uninformed. Hard numbers are admittedly elusive, but if PL did a quick Google of "abortion statistics" he'd see that world wide about 42 million babies are aborted annually, of which 1.3 to 1.8 million are in the U.S. That means almost every third baby is killed in the U.S. before it goes to term.
The mindset of PL and the Left, that those numbers are just peachy (or preachy), amply makes my point. |
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You're the one that sounds confused. We're talking about very little attention being paid by the MSM to the mass murder in Mumbai. Life to the MSM is cheap, that much is obvious. The MSM is too busy having Obamagasisms to focus much time on this horror. The thinking (inc. yours) seems to be that Obama will open that hole under his nose and the world will lay down its arms, hold hands and sing Kumbaya. Perhaps that's not postmodernism, but it certainly is folly. Folly that will get people needlessly killed. Bottom line is terrorists like the Mumbai killers must be destroyed before they have a chance to shed innocent blood. Are you suggesting what evil happens to people on the far side of the world is none of our business? Why?
Current events in Iraq are indicating you are wrong about the approach that was taken in the past two years. If the surge strategy had been applied from the very beginning, we probably wouldn't be debating about Obama's pending blessings on a weary world. That was a strategic error on Bush's part. Ridding the world of a vermin like saddam Hussein was not. I think Iraqi's would agree with that. Who are you to tell them they are wrong?
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That at heart a lefty is simply a reactionary wordy waste of space.
India is democratically ruled, has a more dynamic economy than China, is extremely well educated, has a middle class larger than the population of the US,
and is having war waged on it by Islamic extremists.
But you need to assert you not only think, but can tell that conservatives don't think.
Both of your assertions are clearly flawed.
If, as you have said before, one's values and principles are expressions of one's soul, then you clearly have the soul of a jackass. |
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You guys don't know what you think. You hate "post-modernism" and yet you engage in relativistic thinking.
In Buddha's case, he calls abortion "the killing of millions of babies." That is stupid talk, wildly disproportionate to the extent of being dramaqueenish. One could argue that correlating the life of an embryo on a one-one basis to the life of a baby is a prime example of relativisitic, shoddy, and unprincipled thinking--the type we have seen too much of on your side of the aisle.
Col Bat is also all over the map. He makes multiculturalist pronouncements about "dark-skinned people on the far side of the world," as the left is denying their humanity--hmpf: whatta bunch of elitists...
Here's the bottom line: western values--democracy, rule by law, humanism, civilization and the primacy of right over might--must be aggressively defended in the world. but they are not properly defended the way you guys tried--thru forcing "transformation" via the barrel of a gun. they are defended through the way we live and the way we act. you and your ilk were turning America into a barbaric, not-great nation. We Democrats--the post-Boomer liberals--will restore America to its civilized and civilizing values. Civilization is worth defending, with everything we have, and not simply with the United States Army. |
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***If a European city had been the scene of a slaughter on par with that in Mumbai, would you be covering it with greater interest and detail than you are covering India?***
I could care less what the corporate media thinks, but darn straight. is there a problem with that? Western civilization denotes the high point of human achievement. Was a time when conservatives understood this.
That's the problem with American conservatism today. It abandons the elements of its rhetoric that actually amount to a damn in order to score a cheap political point Hitchens-style. If conservatism is not a defense of Western civ, it is utterly worthless, and I take back my argument that there is an important role for conservatism in the American body politic.
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what's wrong with lesbos? jeez. now you are knocking my favorite "genre." |
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We know that Britney Spears has a new album... |
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The Muslims are systematically killing the Christians.
In Pakistan you cannot practice openly Christianity. Young Christian girls cannot go out with protection of their family.
In Egypt, Christians have the same problem, their children our not safe going out with adult protection. Many young Christian girls have kidnapped and forcefully been married to Muslims.
In Muslim countries if a Muslim converts to Christianity is immediately killed.
In India recently many Christians were being killed.
In Africa, many Christian churches are being burned,by muslims, many times while people worshiping. |
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there. You have not responded to my many attempts at trying to ascertain why you and the rest of the Prop 8 lunatics, have not taken your road show to the local Mosques. They are enthusiastically against lesbos and homos, and toleration is NOT in their vocabulary. Their aim is clear, elimination!! So whats up, Miss Bondi, whats keeping you and yours from the Mosques? Is it just an oversight? Your lack of response, up to this point, shows that you, "lunatics", are nothing more than peons, scared to protest the very people who hate you most, and would "execute" you all if given the chance. And if birthrates in Muslim country's continue at present rates, then they just may get the chance, too! How do you like those apples, Miss Bondi, or has the cat still, got your tongue?
I wait your response...... |
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is optional. Islam is in decline. So is Christianity. One sure sign is fundamental extremism in each. May the enlightened, secular world triumph. And it will. |
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Global spread of their Dominance of their religion by any means. Their prophet Mohammad started it by slaying the unbelievers.
When the Muslims invaded Iran, all who did not convert to Islam, were slain.
Thousands of Iran's Zoroastrians took refuge in India.
Islam's philosophy is if a land was once Muslims' should be returned to them by any means, usually settled by Jihad!
These days option, they first immigrate then have as many children as possible, till they take over the laws of that land and officially turn it to a Muslim nation.
Their Ideology or goals never change or sway.
Islamic fundamentalism and jihadism, its engagement seeking global dominance to achieve a global Muslim Caliphate Empire by all means, will continue.
Our liberal multicultural tolerance/ (PC) attitude will work to our demise, as it is observed as weakness and embolden the Islamic fundamentals.
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400 dead in Nigeria from Christian-Muslim rioting at the same time as Mumbai. Is the lack of continuing interest (or any interest at all) because it's Africa, because the people aren't white, or because no Americans (or Europeans) were casualties? |
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Whether intentionally or not (both exist currently). Mohammedans hate the West and get a pass.
A better analogy than Hindoos attacking Pakistan would be what if 10 *white* non-mohammedan "British citizens" attacked Bombay?
Think that just might be in the news?
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where the left and the dinosaur media sweep the Islamist cancer under the rug. Hear no evil, see no evil: Obama will be Clinton2.0 in terms of fighting terrorism. He'll prosecute evil only AFTER a bunch of innocents are killed. Elections have consequences. |
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While the previous posts express what many of us feel, the Left's aversion to the Islamist threat is more visceral, going to the very bowels of a liberal's being. What must be understood by those of us who still believe in evil is that the Left's relativisim emasculates them. Self-preservation is no longer a reason for being; it is only one option among many offered by the cosmos.
How can someone who does not recoil at the killing of millions of babies care about the killing of a few hundred? |
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An attack on "on the higher culture of educated and civilized Europeans" would mean much more to the twits running the MSM. Indians are right up there with Sunni and Shite Muslims. "Those people have been killing each other for centuries. Who are we to think we could stop it?" was a refrain I heard from a postmodern lefty on the topic of middle east volatility. Either that or, "We have no business shoving our values and culture on another people." I would venture some postmoderners would allow all forms of genocide to go on if that was "their culture." Deep down I think the MSM and leftists in general could give two hoots in hell over those dark skinned people on the far side of the world.
Postmodern belief is bordering on nihilism if not already there. If there is no belief in absolute right and wrong, then for all the lofty talk of leftian philosophy, it seems to really boil down to taking from the haves and giving to the have-nots that vote for you. |
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afflicted, en masse. That's our MSM-Lapdawg Imbeciles. I detest them beyond the mere human ability to adequately describe....No...WAIT...I just realized I can give a like minded comparison: The Level of Booosh Derangement Syndrome amongst the Left...THAT'S how much I disrespect the MSM-Attention Deficit Disordered Vacuous Lapdawgs.
There. I feel better now. |
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