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Saturday, December 15, 2007
Rudy On the Brink
Posted by: Patrick Ruffini at 12:16 AM

As stunning as the Huckster’s rise and McCain’s slow comeback has been Rudy’s collapse nationally and in the states he needed to maintain plausibility for February 5th.

Let’s review what happened today:

The fascinating thing is that the much-predicted social issue rebellion isn’t happening. Rudy had his huge social issues fight last spring. He was bruised from it, but by clearing the decks in Houston, he was able to recover. If the current shift from Rudy has any catalyzing event, it might have been the NYPD story. That makes sense on one level — voters can more readily dissect a personal narrative than a policy debate, even over partial-birth abortions. At the same time, Rudy’s slide has coincided with the broader Huckaboom, which has been especially punishing on the Mayor’s poll numbers. The likability-minded conservatives who kept Rudy at improbable highs for so long are finally jumping ship.

Perhaps this is the perfect storm, with a salacious Rudy story providing an opening for Huckabee to drive right through. But I think another big reason for this predicament is encoded in this press release I received from Team Rudy at 3:43 PM today:

New York City – Mayor Rudy Giuliani released the following statement on the President signing the United States-Peru Trade Promotion Agreement Implementation Act:

“The Peru Free Trade Agreement is an important step forward in our nation’s effort to open up new markets for American exports. But this agreement is just one of the four Free Trade Agreements (FTAs) that have been submitted to Congress. The remaining three FTAs would also open new markets to U.S. companies and should be approved. Congress should also immediately renew the President’s Trade Promotion Authority (TPA), so the U.S. can effectively negotiate and conclude other agreements that improve the standard of living for all Americans. Unfortunately, Democratic leaders in Congress have debated and repeatedly delayed votes on these agreements and have refused to grant the President TPA, placing partisan politics before the interests of American businesses and working families.”

We are 19 days from Iowa. And we are seeing releases about a United States-Peru trade agreement? When all the energy on this issue is probably on the other side? There is probably some Iowa-agribusiness component I am missing here, but… Peru?

That, in a nutshell, is Rudy’s problem. He is too wonkish for his own good. His answers at debates sometimes wander into the circular minutae. That would be forgivable if he mixed it up with memorable one-liners. But his only truly memorable performances in debates have been his on-stage muggings of Ron Paul and Mitt Romney, which displayed his classic toughness but did little to endear him to primary voters.

His “12 Commitments” was symbolic of a slow-burn, play-it-safe, run-out-the-clock frontrunner strategy. While each of the planks allowed him to make news over an extended period, none were spectacularly groundbreaking. And he had twelve, none of which we can remember.

His red meat lines are limited to fiscal issues (mostly taxes) and health care. While important (and successful in endearing him to the fiscal conservative groups), these are not voting issues in a Republican primary. His attempts to educate people about his New York successes brought out the 9/10 Rudy, not the Churchillian, larger-than-life post-9/11 Rudy.

I’ll give this to John McCain. I still find him utterly unacceptable, but the guy knows how to play to his strengths — the war, corruption/earmarks, electability, global warming, and even somewhat shamelessly plugging his POW years. That’s all the dude ever talks about. A similarly focused Rudy Giuliani would never even breathe a word about anything except the following: national security, electability, and the toughness to defeat the terrorists and the Democrats.

Even now, the argument from Rudy’s perspective is clear: he’s the only one who can win the primary and general elections. It’s an argument with considerable power amidst the craziness that is now the Republican race. Are we really, seriously going to go up against Hillary with a FairTax supporter who is completely untested in national politics? Do you really beat the most processed, inauthentic candidate in modern times with a slick Clintonesque figure of your own? Or someone like John McCain who only wins on loopholes (I got a memo from John Yob today bragging about no Dem primary in Michigan) and channels Al Gore on global warming?

Rudy can still win, in the sense that this race is so crazy open right now that anyone can win. This is not his political obituary. But things have pretty seriously slipped away from him in the last three weeks, and unlike Hillary he has no margin for error and never did. His down arrows need to flip to up arrows — and fast.

With 23 shopping days till New Hampshire, will Rudy finally find his narrative arc in his much touted (if oddly scheduled) Roger Mudd speech tomorrow?



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richard_223 writes: Saturday, December, 15, 2007 12:27 AM
Stick a Fork in Him, He's Done
Patrick, I am astounded! Don't you know Hugh says its a two man race between Mitt and Rudy? And if Hugh pontificates, then it must be right and anyone who differs is a bigot.

So don't believe the polls, Rudy is rising, he if Hugh's fallback candidate if/when Mitt falters.

Its all part of the plan...

And no, he is not too wonkish, he is pro abortion, and the GOP base will not nominate him, period.
talisman writes: Saturday, December, 15, 2007 12:28 AM
Where're the "Values and Morals" crowd?
And did they ever exist to begin with? Obviously, not.

Maybe Huckaboob and his psycho son will actually take this primary. It's hard to believe that the values voters will pull for him, considering his baggage is nearly as lumpy with odious past dealings as Rudy's, but by now we've all pretty much caught on to the fact that there is no values, or morals, involved in picking a GOP candidate.
Prysson writes: Saturday, December, 15, 2007 12:36 AM
I think
that were I to put my money on it now...

I think Mitt will win.

I say this as a big fan of Rudy. INdeed I am most explicitly NOT a Mitt supporter.

BUt I see a dynamic occuring here that plays very well for him and I think (barring some unforseen occurence) will end up playing right into Mitt's hands.

I intend to blog on this fact over at SPQR.townhall.com as soon as townhall.com gets there stuff together and actually allows me to log back into my site.

I suspect some who read this will think I am really a Mitt supporter pretending to be Rudy supporter. To that I say go read my blog. I am not now and never have been a Mitt supporter.

I wont go into details here but the bottom line is I think the dynamics of this race are just playing right into his hands and ofr precisely the same reason that NRO endorsed him. He is unfortunately teh milk toast candidate The least offensive to all sides. Too many social conservatives who won't support Rudy but have some obtuse retarded notion that Huckabee will be the man...coupled with the fact that Fiscal, defense, and constitutional conservatives like myself just wont vote for Huckabee...even if he gets the nomination.

In the end the winner is milk toast, white bread, used car salesman, middle of the road Mitt.

How depressing.
richard_223 writes: Saturday, December, 15, 2007 12:39 AM
I Be Back
From NBC :Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger said Friday he will declare a "fiscal emergency" in January to give him and the Legislature more power to deal with the state's growing deficit.State spending also has increased by more than 40 percent since Schwarzenegger took office after the 2003 recall of then-Gov. Gray Davis.
Schwarzenegger in August signed a $145.5 billion budget that increased spending 11 percent due largely to the increased cost of bond repayments and special funds. General fund spending for day-to-day operations increased less than 1 percent, from $101.7 to $102.3 billion for the budget year that began July 1.'

For those new to the HH show, Arnold was the 'conservative' candidate Hugh endlessly flogged before Mitt came along.
HNAV writes: Saturday, December, 15, 2007 1:06 AM
"corruption/earmarks" - McCain?
How is a former Keating 5 Member strong in regards to corruption?

After all the years McCain has been living the high life in the Senate, PORK has never been stopped.

Why is this failure to dramatically challenge pork one of McCain's strengths as well?

He is part of the problem...

And should get out asap...

Some in this race should step out now, with dignity, so we can get on with the big decisions.

Did HUCKABEE lie about having a Theology Degree?

LOL !

Why do ARK Governors lie?
HNAV writes: Saturday, December, 15, 2007 1:07 AM
richard_223 ???
Why do you bother to comment on this blog, if you have such disdain for the fine HOST?

You are like a school in summer...

You have no class.
CDubber writes: Saturday, December, 15, 2007 1:39 AM
HuckaDem?
"Mike Huckabee, who has joked about his lack of foreign policy experience, is criticizing the Bush administration's efforts, denouncing a go-it-alone "arrogant bunker mentality" and questioning decisions on Iraq."

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20071215/D8THJH880.html

Is Huckabee going to have the decency to switch parties *before* the primaries end, or would he wait until he reached the presidency? (Which, fortunately, will never happen).

I swear this guy gets his talking points from the DNC fax service.

"Huckabee, the former Arkansas governor now running for the Republican presidential nomination, lays out a policy plan that is long on optimism but short on details in the January-February issue of the journal Foreign Affairs, which is published by the Council on Foreign Relations."

"Long on optimism but short on details" - sounds like Huckabee's policy on *every* issue.

"While the Foreign Affairs article is missing the one-liners he is known for, it does have a few folksy comparisons to illustrate his points."

Whew, at least there are some *folksy* nuggets in there - just what we need in dealing with the Irans, Syrias, and North Koreas of the world.

Nice job, Mike.
CDubber writes: Saturday, December, 15, 2007 1:40 AM
HNAV
"Why do you bother to comment on this blog, if you have such disdain for the fine HOST?"

Every party has a pooper. Ours is richard_223.
CDubber writes: Saturday, December, 15, 2007 1:50 AM
More HuckaDem
"We must first destroy existing terrorist groups and then attack the underlying conditions that breed them: the lack of basic sanitation, health care, education, jobs, a free press, fair courts — which all translates into a lack of opportunity and hope. The United States’ strategic interests as the world’s most powerful country coincide with its moral obligations as the richest. If we do not do the right thing to improve life in the Muslim world, the terrorists will step in and do the wrong thing…"

http://hotair.com/archives/2007/12/14/quote-of-the-day-169/

And I thought Huckabee was only for the nanny *state*, turns out he's for the nanny *world*.

How in the world is this clown doing so well in the polls? And will voters come to their senses before it's too late?
slate writes: Saturday, December, 15, 2007 1:52 AM
Great Post on Rudy!
I'm one of those conservatives who could never vote for Giuliani in the primary and I am glad he is losing ground. However, if he were the nominee, I would wholeheartedly support him. Voting Dem. or staying home is just plain dumb.
In addition, I am a strong Huckabee supporter who believes that in the end, Mitt Romney will likely be the winner. I think Huckabee will win several states before he makes some kind of big boo boo. By then, Romney will be about the only guy left in the race.
JP writes: Saturday, December, 15, 2007 2:05 AM
As Hillary falls so does Rudy
I think Rudy's collapse is directly tied to Hillary's collapse. The two are inextricably bound by New York and history. If Hillary rises so will Rudy to challenge her. Without Hillary in the general election there is no valid reason for Rudy's candidacy vis-a-vis the other Republican candidates.
Sarah writes: Saturday, December, 15, 2007 2:07 AM
slate - staying home out of
principle is not dumb. Having morals that can be bought is questionable. Romney supporters forget that the problem with a person who lacks conviction or clarity on ALL major social issues is that he will be quick to change his position when a new social opportunity arises - just because that is his nature. Romney is unpredictable and staying home means telling MITT MY MORALS ARE NOT FOR SALE BASED ON POLITICAL EXPEDIENCY.
606 writes: Saturday, December, 15, 2007 2:16 AM
Hello???
How did you read that entire article linked to the Detroit News and come up with the subheader “McCain leading in Michigan”? In the 2 surveys conducted, he is not.

In one of the surveys, if 'DEMOCRATS and INDEPENDENTS who said they MIGHT vote in the REPUBLICAN race were included' in the voting, he would be slightly ahead. What kind of reporting is this?
RJ writes: Saturday, December, 15, 2007 2:21 AM
Won't do it
I've voted Republican in every presidential election since I turned 18, but I will tell you this, in all seriousness... if Huckabee is the nominee, I will not vote for him. I would rather cast no vote for president than vote for him. I would rather see the Democrats take full credit for their disastrous policies than allow them to push them through and then take cover behind a nanny-stater RINO. If we must have a president who is soft on violent crime, let it be a Democrat. If we must have a president who wants to close the GITMO camp just so he can look virtuous in foreign eyes, let it be a Democrat. If we must have a president who likes to raise taxes, let it be a Democrat. If we must have a president who thinks that our problem with Iran is that we just haven't talked enough, let it be a Democrat.
JohnAdams44 writes: Saturday, December, 15, 2007 3:08 AM
My thoughts on Rudy
I'm a Rudy supporter, so I'm biased, but here is my take on him. It's unfair to say he hasn't tried to play up his 9/11 image. He did that and he got crap from both Republicans and Democrats.. saying he was using one issue (9/11) to try to win the nomination. Ok, fair enough. Lately he's being pointing out his successes in taxes and crime in New York. Guess what? He got crap from both Republicans and Democrats claiming he was talking too much about New York. The last couple weeks (when his polls numbers started to fall) he basically had no chance to talk about anything other than his wife. The Meet The Press interview was a giant waste of time IMO. Rudy has pretty much been laying low the past couple of weeks besides that. Now that the Rudy "scandal(BS)" talk is starting to die down, expect Rudy to make his move in the next couple of weeks. I've seen all the candidates give their stump speech on tv and Rudy is by far the only one who has the ability to change people's minds.

Huck is way too cheezy and religious (yes, it will turn people off very soon), Romney is plastic, McCain comes off as a creepy old guy every once in a while, and Thompson seems to be antisocial. Fred just can't connect will people.

It's still a wide open race in the Republican side, but my money is still on Rudy. I will be shocked if he doesn't have something up his sleeve for the next couple weeks. Either way, he will be on the offense starting tomorrow. The "scandal" is old news in this 24/7 news cycle and I think alot of Huck support will switch back to Rudy once he starts bringing his A game again.
Sarah writes: Saturday, December, 15, 2007 4:09 AM
Romney, Hillary, Hugh & Immigration
Assuming Hugh gets his way and Romney is the nominee - this issue of using undocumented workers on his lawn will re-surface. Hugh will spin it by saying "But Romney followed the law. He fired the undocumented workers as soon as he found out there was a problem with their work papers. This man can be trusted to uphold our immigration laws and all other laws of this land - americans who vote for Romney know that our borders will be secured and that he will punish any person who hires an undocumented worker". Hillary will respond and say "americans know that rich republican businessmen hire undocumented workers, pay them very low wages, and when they get caught they fire the poor workers without paying them. When I am president every undocumented worker will be given working papers so that when a rich republican hires him or her, he has to pay them a fair wage - and that includes my opponent. We want change in washington for the people who have been forgotten in the past 8 years. New York Times headline - Clinton assures undocumented workers that Romney will pay them.....were those illegal aliens paid before being fired? reporters will find these workers and have a nationalized interview with them.....making Romney seem even more.....UNFAIR!
Patriotic Liberal writes: Saturday, December, 15, 2007 4:28 AM
Did I miss the thread..
..about the Mitchell report on steroids? With all the prattle about Huck not being a genuine conservative, and the nonsense triumphalism about Mitt, it must have just passed me by.

Well, in case you're interested, baseball just suffered a serious black eye. I mean, the credibility of the game hasn't been this jeopardized since the 1910s, which led to the Commissioner's office in the first place. AND THE COMMISSIONER HASN'T RESIGNED!! What a disgrace. It is the American style of leadership, I suppose. Our elites have the power. They have the prestige and the glory. Lord knows they have the moolah. All they DON'T have is the responsibility. Even though it occurs on their watch, its always someone else's fault--although, by gosh, they're gonna go in there and fix it. They may even do a mea culpa, some public grovelling to keep their job.

Yeesh. Are we tools or what? Selig should be shown the front door with the back side of our foot. He should be out, finished, done. And a genuine Commissioner--one who represents the good of the game, not the frigging interests of the owners--should be put in there before it's too late.

And btw, speaking of elites, it is fun to see them tremble before Huck. Tremble, you failed Republican leaders. Conservatism is redefining itself, or rather, rediscovering itself, and has no use for your inside-the-beltway corruption and cronyism and extreme misjudgment.
PC writes: Saturday, December, 15, 2007 5:21 AM
Sarah you are so funny
Is that all you can come up with against Mitt? Hilarious. Come on, Sarah! Can't you find anything to tar him with? He is pretty squeaky clean.

Good luck . . .
PC writes: Saturday, December, 15, 2007 5:26 AM
It's silly to count Rudy out
I'm not a big Rudy fan, but the thought of a Huckabee nomination makes Rudy look positively saintly. I think it's likely that Huck will be a lead balloon in the next couple weeks and Rudy will regain his position.

With conservatives like the Huckster, who needs liberals?
swimmerkennedy writes: Saturday, December, 15, 2007 7:36 AM
Please Explain Hickabee To Me...
How is it that my party -- the party of national security, low taxes and small government -- is about to nominate this liberal clown with the Gomer Pyle looks and (cringing) folksy one liners?

This is very very depressing.

I'd trust Hillary (and Bill) with nat'l security more than this hack hick.

He's basically a pro life liberal who will destroy and fracture the Republican coalition.

He's obvioulsy liberal on national security (i.e. "Bush Bunker Mentality" talking points, World over U.S.). He's liberal on taxes (See devastating YouTube video, "I'm for that tax, I'm all for this tax, I can live with that tax.). He's liberal on immigration ("These are God's children" or some other emotional, bleeding heart rhetoric).
John Konop writes: Saturday, December, 15, 2007 7:44 AM
Will voters trust Rudy on immigration?
Giuliani in new ad: ‘We can end illegal immigration’

WATCH VIDEO

http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/giuliani-in-new-ad -we-can-end-illegal-immigration


NeoConScum writes: Saturday, December, 15, 2007 7:51 AM
Boutte...Thanks Mucho For The Reminder
about "The Ron Paul Revolution", Dude!
How could any of us have forgotten THAT?
Thanks, also, for reminding us of the mental balance and prioritizing of the Paulites. Whew.

PC: I'm with you on not counting Rudy out. I luv the Fire in his Belly to stay ever on the offense on the War Against Radical Islam. I've recently moved over to Mitt for 'better candidate' reasons, but would happily give Rudy time, money and enthusiasm if nominated.

PL+LP: Yes, you missed that thread. And, many others, Kid. ;-)

Joe writes: Saturday, December, 15, 2007 8:36 AM
Rudy, Rudy, Rudy
I guess for Mitt and Hugh, this is the best news of all. The Huckaboom is the political equivalent of the Dutch tulip boom, it will eventually crash and crash badly. Mitt should be well poised to pick up the pieces.

I would not count Rudy out yet. He has money, the polls are all over the map, and Mitt best seems to be 30%.
NeoConScum writes: Saturday, December, 15, 2007 8:52 AM
Joe...You & I Are On The Same Page..
regarding Mitt, Rudy and feeding Khalid Sheik Mohammed into the "Fargo" wood-chipper feet first.

ERrrr...Okay, ok, 'K...So, 2 outta 3 ain't bad.

;-)
Joe writes: Saturday, December, 15, 2007 9:05 AM
I would happily see KSM
go into the wood chipper, slowly, but that does not make it right as a general policy.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1694486,00 .html Ponnuru's article on Huckabee is not bad, but I think he might want to change that last line from Rudy to Romney. Still, I would not count Rudy out just yet.
Joe writes: Saturday, December, 15, 2007 9:12 AM
Amazing comments by Bill Clinton
http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_displa y.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003686025

Some slap downs for Obama (Ouch) and says it would be a miracle if Hillary wins Iowa!

Bill also says he doesn't care if Hillary loses because he can still pick up lots of hot young presidential groupy girls with his wife not in the White House(and there will be less press coverage when he does so).

Okay he did not say that last bit, but he was thinking it.
dinaz writes: Saturday, December, 15, 2007 9:17 AM
Rudy
First, I'm a Romney guy. Rudy/Fred are my second choice. The problem was never that Rudy is too wonkish, I thought he won/tied for win all the debates except last one if you throw out the clearly rehearsed cheap shot at Mitt in the You Tube debate. What's clearly catching up w/Rudy besides Gomer's, I mean Huckabee's surge is that Rudy's whole rationale for running is based on 9/11 and his supposed "leadership" that day and immediate aftermath. It's been propagated by MSMers and conservatives alike that this somehow makes Rudy (McCain aside) the war on terror/national defense candidate--what?! How? The fact that Rudy perhaps makes it very personal b/c he's the ultimate New Yorker? What, is he gonna personally take down the islamo-fascists w/his bare hands? Come on.
Bottom line, all Rudy was coasting on was the way overplayed narrative about being "America's Mayor", which is finally out of gas.
NeoConScum writes: Saturday, December, 15, 2007 9:17 AM
Joe...3 for 3 !
Not too damned Bad.

I like Mitt better than Rudy on Illegal Aliens, personal life and Presidential Temperment.

I like Rudy best on Fire in the Belly on killing jihadists, staying on Wartime Offense and ZERO tolerance for criminals. (Well, except, maybe Bernie K!)
Falz writes: Saturday, December, 15, 2007 9:25 AM
McCain is not rising
And he isn't leading in Michigan, the thing is if the democrats vote in the GOP primary then McCain would be in the lead, that's not gonna happen.
Joe writes: Saturday, December, 15, 2007 9:25 AM
I know this will drive half of you. . .
insane. But a guy can always hope. . .

"Deep in their hearts," Gramm says, "Republican primary voters know John McCain is the only great man running for president." Maybe, but McCain doesn't
make it easy for them to vote for him. http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/ 000/014/487ewzpc.asp

Of all the GOP candidates, McCain can win against Hillary, Obama or Edwards. With Rudy, Romney, and Fred you have to hope they can win. With Huckabee you almost want the Democrats to win.


And I am not counting Fred out either. Apparently when he does get out he does well. I just wish he would get out more.
richard_223 writes: Saturday, December, 15, 2007 9:30 AM
Mitt on the Brink
Fading Romney targets Huckabee
By: Jonathan Martin
December 15, 2007 08:53 AM EST

CARROLL, Iowa – Seemingly resigned to his new role as an Iowa underdog, Mitt Romney said Friday that he would use the remaining three weeks before the caucuses to draw bright-line differences with Mike Huckabee.

But he also acknowledged that the time to do so is growing short and that he could not completely control his own political fate.

Asked in an interview with Politico if he could stop his precipitous drop in the polls and come back by January 3rd, Romney matter-of-factly replied: “Don’t know. I don’t know.”
http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=DDAC95BA-3048-5 C12-001DE605FB543671
thrustandparry.com writes: Saturday, December, 15, 2007 9:32 AM
Have you considered this point?:
Patrick,

I wonder if there isn't another factor to help explain Rudy's slide. I wonder if Hillary's losing some of her inevitability hasn't hurt Rudy.

Could Rudy have been pyschologically tied to Hillary in Republican minds as the one to beat her. Could the voters in both parties be tiring of being told who the front runners are and want to mix it up a bit?
NeoConScum writes: Saturday, December, 15, 2007 9:38 AM
QUOTE of the Month: Billy C. On Charlie
Rose last night: "...substance is far more important than symbol." He was referring to Lady MacClinton as "Substance" and Bazama as "Symbol"! Only Billy-Bubba can do that kind of line with a straight grifter face. Boy-Clinton will become more & more of a Big Problemo for the stiff Hillary campaign. Subconsciously, B-Bubba is dying to sabotage Madame. Promise.

Then, having succeeded, he can get back to Global Quiff Chasing and having only one "Legacy"(!!)in the family. Awwww, the jolly narcissist. Gotta just luv him. Or, not.
richard_223 writes: Saturday, December, 15, 2007 9:40 AM
More Brinksmanship
The interview at politico with Mitt I linked about is well worth reading in full. Mitt comes across as very realistic, even fatalistic about Iowa than the what you read from Hugh. I suspect Romney's own polls are even more dire than then public polling.
Morton writes: Saturday, December, 15, 2007 9:48 AM
I loathe Huckabee; I'm a Rudy fan
If Huckabee is nominated, I will sit out the general election (for the first time). I'm an Evangelical for Rudy; I can live with Romney (or McCain or Thompson). The latest Huckabee remark about Bush arrogance sickens me. I can't believe how foolish the GOP has become. !#@$!@#$!#@
Dustoff-507 writes: Saturday, December, 15, 2007 10:13 AM
Patriotic Liberal
about the Mitchell report on steroids
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Do really think anyone cares. Yeah it's wrong, but if Mitchell really wanted to do some good, He should check on the drug & booze use in the Senate & Congress.
Heck he could start with Kennedy family first!

This just shows you how the dem's work, hey don't look at me... no the bad guys is over there!

Talk about pure BS and how much taxpayer money was wasted on this?
Joe writes: Saturday, December, 15, 2007 10:17 AM
Funny article
Completely off point but still funny: http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/ 000/014/486lgypb.asp?pg=2

Still the question remains, are bathroom noises from John Mclaughlin better than anything said by Cokie Roberts?
Dustoff-507 writes: Saturday, December, 15, 2007 10:30 AM
NeoCon
Morning buddy
NeoConScum writes: Saturday, December, 15, 2007 10:51 AM
Dusty...Speakin' of Friends Who'd Feed..
Khalid Sheik Mohammed to the wood chipper..!

Mornin', Bud.
Dustoff-507 writes: Saturday, December, 15, 2007 10:55 AM
NeoCon
Khalid Sheik Mohammed to the wood chipper..!

FASTER-faster.... LOL

Give it more gas too
BG writes: Saturday, December, 15, 2007 10:57 AM
Romney emerging
As Huck rises, Romney is emerging as an acceptable alternative to replace Rudy on fiscal policy and terror.

Huck's recent comments on the War and Bush are disconcerning (scary). He sounds like Obama trying to straddle both left and right at the same time.

Huck on fiscal policy sounds like Edwards.

I wonder if Rollins will get Huck some Republican speech writers?
Joe writes: Saturday, December, 15, 2007 11:53 AM
A New Holiday Classic
http://www.jibjab.com/sendables/view/HgV6kQxQgSuRTIP7lIZpda ym

Enjoy!
Ted writes: Saturday, December, 15, 2007 11:54 AM
I HATE HUCKABEE for what he's doing
I am a lifelong Republican, conservative etc. etc. etc.

I I I I WILL WILL WILL WILL NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE FOR FOR FOR FOR HUCKABEE HUCKABEE HUCKABEE HUCKABEE
PC writes: Saturday, December, 15, 2007 12:04 PM
Ted - me too.
He's now in the Ron Paul category.
JohnAdams44 writes: Saturday, December, 15, 2007 12:06 PM
Check out Rudy's new video
Now, this is what I'm talking about! Great ad by Rudyyyyyyyyyy!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57zIihe3IRU
Jere writes: Saturday, December, 15, 2007 12:11 PM
Mitt Romney
Mitt Romney is the kind of guy you would like to have by your side in a fox hole.

J D
KGK writes: Saturday, December, 15, 2007 12:17 PM
Huckicide?
I astonished that the common sense voters from the BASE cannot see that Huck will destroy all 3 wings of the Party. Dissing Bush on Iraq is silly now that the Surge is working and our military have done such a marvelous job at killing and containing the Islamofascists. Huck will not even use that last term about terrorists. He is a foreign policy naif. Rudy is not quite done. In fact, he and Mitt and even Fred could make a comeback. Hugh is such a poor political prognosticator but a good Talk Radio host, that one wonders what new strategery he will come up with when Mitt loses 3-4 primaries in a row! Pubs have to remember now to take on Obama as well as Hil. Obama is for change but to and for what? More socialism and pacifistic policies? It is time for the RNC and the Prez guys to take some shots at him also. Hil could still come back and frankly I would rather face her than Obama. The PC creed is so strong nowadays that in a national election, guilt might elect him!!
PC writes: Saturday, December, 15, 2007 12:21 PM
Huck's foreign policy one-liners
Iran - "We need wingtips, not boots in Iran."

Iraq - "We broke something in Iraq."

There's so much more, but who has the time?
Joe writes: Saturday, December, 15, 2007 12:23 PM
A new Hugh Holiday Classic
http://www.jibjab.com/sendables/view/HgV6kQxQgSuRTIP7lIZpda ym

Enjoy! If anything can cure the Huckamadness, this is it.
Patriotic Liberal writes: Saturday, December, 15, 2007 12:24 PM
Dustoff
No doubt there are more important sins than steroids in baseball. We all have our totem pole where that's concerned.

Oh well. Baseball is a dying sport, I guess. The conservative in me hates to see it. It just seems to me that when baseball goes, another brick in our carefully established civil order is taken down as well. But it always comes down to leadership. If you got stewards of the game who are more concerned about busting the player union than its integrity, then you get the crisis that we have today.

It's the same thing that happened in the 1910s, when the owners practically drove the game into the ground. The BlackSox scandal was only the culmination of years of crookedness and shady nonsense. And what is baseball anyway? It is ten minutes of action in three hours. It is a product of another era. What does a 21st century circuited generation care for a 19th century sequential game? They only care if noble sentiments and nostalgic sweetness is carefully nurtured by the broader community as the vital cultural adhesives that they are.

Ah, what the heck. Organized baseball will outlast me, probably, but not my son, and definitely not my (hypothetical) grandson.
Joe writes: Saturday, December, 15, 2007 12:26 PM
Peak Oil
He is going down but I doubt he is out. Whether he wins or loses, I have zero regret supporting him. My biggest concern is a candidate who will fight the war on terror. I know Rudy would have done that. I am not a Ron Paul or Mike Huckabee fan like you are.

Patriotic Liberal writes: Saturday, December, 15, 2007 12:28 PM
PC
What. Is Huck wrong about wingtips in Iran? or that Iraq is broken? I say thank heaven there are conservatives in this generation who allow themselves to see straight. It is encouraging. I was beginning to believe that to carry a conservative card in this country, you had to pull the wool over your own eyes.
Daniel writes: Saturday, December, 15, 2007 12:30 PM
Professor Harold Hill in Iowa

I find it nearly unbelievable that members of my party in Iowa seem poised to give their delegates to Mike Huckabee.

Add me to the list of those who, while they favor Romney, could happily support either Giuliani, McCain, or Thompson in the general election -- but who will not, cannot, support either Ron Paul or Mike Huckabee.

The more I learn about Huckabee -- the thousand pardons, the "Holiday Inn Express" foreign policy, the incentives to illegal immigration, the tax hikes, the penchant for regulation -- the more astonished I am that he's even a Republican. Add to that his shameless ethical quirks, and you've got one of the worst presidential prospects on the market.

Wake up, Iowa Republicans!
cottoneyed writes: Saturday, December, 15, 2007 12:31 PM
Ted, i second your post.
Thought i would vote for any "R" come Nov. but this guy Huckleberry has changed all that. If he's the guy, i stay home. I'm "born again" but this guy offends me with virtually every word he speaks and every position he takes. He can't find Iraq on the map much less comment on the direction it is going. It's party suicide to nominate this "huckleberry". Rudy, Mitt, and Fred, they are the "bulldogs". Huckleberry's a "poodle". Thats why the left loves him. WAKE UP, for goodness sakes, this guys an unmitigated disaster.
Good morning, Neo, wish i was down in your neck of the woods. I'd be on about the 14th fairway, getting ready to hit my approach. It's 12 degrees here and white stuff on the ground. I need to move my base of operations. My wife's a Colorado girl and I would have an easier time stopping the sun from rising tomorrow with a flyswatter, than moving away but hope does springs eternal, though, doesn't it?
Joe writes: Saturday, December, 15, 2007 12:42 PM
Peak Oil
Your love of Huckabee says a lot. Your "peak oil" science is about as sound as Huck's grasp of foriegn policy or evolution.
CDubber writes: Saturday, December, 15, 2007 12:45 PM
Patriotic Liberal
"I say thank heaven there are conservatives in this generation who allow themselves to see straight."

Patriotic Liberal is right, as usual. There's nothing that can't be fixed in Iraq with a nice pair of Guccis.

Heck, send Jesse Jackson and the Rainbow Coalition in there, they should be able to set things straight. But before doing that, make sure you soften up the ground targets with a heavy bombing of unicorns, moonbeams, and kittens.

Love will bring us together!
Dave writes: Saturday, December, 15, 2007 12:45 PM
There are 50 states
I personally think Huckabee could well win in Iowa, and find out there are 49 other states. I'm tired of Iowa and New Hampshire being blown out of proportion and knocking serious candidates out of campaigns prematurely. Let ALL the candidates continue to Feb. 5, and let a real cross-section of voters determine the nominee (or whittle it down, at least), for a change.
Ted writes: Saturday, December, 15, 2007 12:55 PM
Huckabee shares Jesse Jackson's talent
Huckabee has all these one/two liners where words sounding alike are used in two phrases, clauses, etc.

Could someone make a collection of all these.

Basically Huckabee, like Jessee Jackson, is a huckster with rhyme lines -- nothing more, nothing less.
The City Troll writes: Saturday, December, 15, 2007 12:56 PM
Don't count Rudy out just yet
Nothing is going to be decided untill super tuesday.

The ones that can be counted out are Huckabee, McCain, and Rue Paul....

Did you guys see that the Tamil Tigers are donating to Hillary and NJ Democrats...

http://thecitytroll.blogspot.com/2007/12/hillary-taking-don ations-from.html
Ted writes: Saturday, December, 15, 2007 12:58 PM
Maybe Huck is a Dem plant
cabal anyone? (after all, the ONLY, and I mean ONLY, way the Dems can win now is with the Huck)
The City Troll writes: Saturday, December, 15, 2007 12:59 PM
test
last post didn't show just testing the system
Joe writes: Saturday, December, 15, 2007 1:44 PM
Peak Oil's Huckacrush
Nope. You have a Huckacrush. Is that something you are proud of? All it means is you are an idiot or a Democratic troll (or both).

If you really like Mitt too, well that seem inconsistant with liking Huckabee, but some people hear multiple voices in their heads.

Since you never give any reasons for your rants (other than calling people Neocommies), I think you are just a Democratic troll.

And on your peak oil position, I disagree the world is running out of oil. Is Saudi Arabia facing a decline? If Simmons says so, that does not mean there are not reserves elsewhere in the world (such as Russia, the Caspian, Canada, etc.). If you are right, and world wide oil production is going to start decreasing while demand continues to grow, I suspect we will be seeing oil at $200+ a barrel in the near future on a sustained basis. I hope for all our sakes you are wrong, but if you are right we should be seeing that soon.
Joe writes: Saturday, December, 15, 2007 2:08 PM
The Huckaboom number are real
Peaky. I doubt they will be sustained for the long run, but I suspect he will win Iowa. You seem downright gleeful about it. Why? You don't seem motivated by religion. You only seem to hate Neocons. What makes Huckabee acceptable to you than Mitt, Rudy, etc., etc. Frankly, there is not that much difference in policy between Mitt and Rudy. There are worlds of difference between those two and Huckabee.

Huckabee is a pro life Bill Clinton, just not quite as smart as Bill. The GOP would be split and made relatively ineffective. I suppose I would still want Huck over Hillary, but I doubt he could beat her or Obama.

Yet you are all for that. I just wonder why you like the guy so much?
Joe writes: Saturday, December, 15, 2007 2:25 PM
And Peaky
I am serious. I really want to hear why you like Huckabee and what positions about Rudy drive you so nuts. Maybe I missed that post, but I have never seen you do that.

And I really do want to hear you explain what the forcast is on world oil production. If you think Saudi Arabia is running out of oil and there are other reserves around the world, I hope you are right. The sooner they revert back to being theiving camel jockies and stop having extra cash to fund their madrass and propaganda experiments the better.

As for me backing the wrong guy, I did not. McCain, Thompson and Rudy are the best available guys to take on the Dems in the general. If they lose in the primary process they lose. If they lose to Romney and he wins the general, I am not going to be upset. I will be happy Mitt won. I will definitely vote for Mitt if he is the nominee and I will support his candiacy.

If Huckabee is the nominee, well then I am almost virtually sure the GOP will lose. That would be a bad thing, to me. Maybe that is something you want to happen. Nothing wrong with admitting that.
NeoConScum writes: Saturday, December, 15, 2007 3:18 PM
Joe...Peaky's A Pauley !
This is WELL KNOWN. (**Peaky: Here I am Little Duuuuude!**) His backup plan is The Huckster.

Plenty of oil reseves, by the way, under the Rockies& AWAR. And plenty more off Florida and The Peoples Republic of Calif. Gotta get those enviro-wackos off their "prevent drilling" gig.

Did I mention that Peaky's a PAULEY?
Joe writes: Saturday, December, 15, 2007 3:33 PM
NeoConScum
I know he is a Ronulan. But he always makes these grand announcements and then never backs it up. How can someone be pro Romney and Huckabee? It really does not make a lot of sense.
elvis writes: Saturday, December, 15, 2007 4:49 PM
thanks for the laughs
joe....all of a sudden i like you..your practical
romney..gave an honest response..is there a prob-
lem with someone saying "i dont know if i can bounce back" humilty and honesty! but dont count him out! his team has a concept..get the votes lined up..and shhhhhh be quite! clever strategy! who are the polls being taken from? hmmm? rudy and romney are not done...far from it! huck abee is going to drop..just as sure as gravity works!
the comment that romney is middle of the road compared to rudy..is so foolish..i laugh! just compare rudy and illegal immigration to almost any of the candidates..except mc cain,huck!the primaries are weeks away...watch out!romney isnt going to lose 3 of 4 primaries!the media is really spewing lots of "bull"! you shall see! elvis
Joe writes: Saturday, December, 15, 2007 5:08 PM
elvis
I have no idea what you are spewing about. I cannot tell from your writing if you are being sarcastic about what you are saying. Are you pro Romney or pro Huckabee?

Regardless of who you support, I am not going to back off any of the candidates I supported. I supported them because I agree with them more than the other candidates.

If Romney wins he wins. I think Mitt is probably set up to win when Huckabee goes down. I also think Rudy is not completely out of it yet. And I would not be surprised if Thompson gets a lot of those Huckabee supporters when they realize Huck is not the guy they thought he was.

In the end, I do not want Hillary or Obama to win (or Edwards). That would be very bad for this country (i.e., war on terror, judges, etc.). I doubt Huckabee is the guy who can unify the GOP to acheive that victory, but nows his chance to prove himself to us.
NeoConScum writes: Saturday, December, 15, 2007 7:07 PM
Peaky the Pauley...DEEP, DUDE..
Deeply Deep, Little Duuuude.

Ya mean our "defeats" in Afghanistan & EeeeekK Iraq, Little Bug?

You never ever answer my repeated, plaintive query: What are the last 10-Books you've read, Peaky-Boy? Truth. It's really OK--and entirely makes sense--if you don't read books,other than Simmons admittedly worthy work. C'mon, Boy-yo, me, Joe & countless others are morbidly curious.

dantana writes: Saturday, December, 15, 2007 8:35 PM
This Rudy Supporter...
will simply not vote for a bible thumper like Huckabee.

The SoCons have gone insane and will commit suicide by a nominating a thumper.
Patriotic Liberal writes: Saturday, December, 15, 2007 9:35 PM
CDubber
Mockery is not an argument. Just because I see the benefit of diplomacy does not mean I think we ought to give the world a hug. You can drive a truck between those two ideas--and it is childish, really, to conflate them.

You think you're some kind of realist just because your approach to other people and other nations is brutal and nasty. You are not. You're simply counterproductive. We've seen the limits of your approach with Iraq. It mired our country in a swamp that has cost our country sacred blood, sacred reputation, and after all is said and done, trillions of dollars. And while there is some benefit at getting rid of Saddam, at the price we paid, we could have achieved SO MUCH MORE--both in the War on Terror and for our own people.

So spare me the sneering, because YOU don't have all the answers--even if you act like you do. The whole Iraq misadventure was a result of guys acting like they knew what they were talking about, when in fact, they had no clue. So, yes, wing-tips--whether by Gucci or Buster Brown, it doesn't matter--are exactly what we need in Iran right now.
one hot minute writes: Saturday, December, 15, 2007 9:53 PM
the pot calls the kettle black

Patriotic Liberal wrote;
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"Mockery is not an argument."
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But Patriotic Liberal, 'mockery' is eighty per cent of your game !

Virginia Patriot writes: Saturday, December, 15, 2007 10:03 PM
Thompson
Fred Thompson is probably the best conservatives can hope for at this juncture. I have been supporting Duncan Hunter since he announced. If conservatives splinter their votes among Tancredo, Thompson, Hunter, Paul and Romney, we will likely end up with Mikey Huckster or Regularization Rudy. It's time for conservatives to consolidate behind Fred Thompson if we want to have any chance to secure our country. He is the best of the top tier, I hope he chooses Hunter for VP, it would be a dynamite ticket.
NC_Tarheel writes: Saturday, December, 15, 2007 10:19 PM
Ted....
Earlier today, Ted wrote:

"Maybe Huck is a Dem plant
cabal anyone? (after all, the ONLY, and I mean ONLY, way the Dems can win now is with the Huck)"

I just don't understand this logic. How in the world can you think the ONLY way the Dems win is if they run against Huckabee?

First, go back and look at how Huckabee won elections in Arkansas. Check out how many independents and Democrats voted for Huckabee. Also check out how many African Americans voted for Huckabee. You might be a little shocked.

Second, you really think a politician from Mass. who is a known flip-flopper is going to perform better in the general election then a southern governor who is attractive to moderates? Did you not learn anything from 2004? Or you think that a mayor from NYC who is pro-choice is going to sell better in the deep south than Huckabee?

All this talk that Huckabee is the favorite candidate of the Dems is just plain nonsense. Sounds a lot like what they were saying about Ronald Reagan in 1980.
CDubber writes: Sunday, December, 16, 2007 2:14 AM
Patriotic Liberal
"We've seen the limits of your approach with Iraq. It mired our country in a swamp that has cost our country sacred blood, sacred reputation, and after all is said and done, trillions of dollars."

I'll take *my* approach (Iraq) (I'll accept your attribution, I guess) over *your* approach (pre-war Nazi Germany) any day of the week.

Blood and treasure is what it's going to take to defuse the Middle East. That's the sad, harsh reality of it. Wing tips got us nowhere. You act as if it wasn't tried.

Everyone sees the value of diplomacy. The *intelligent* person sees where diplomacy has been exhausted with no results. Yet liberals honestly believe conservatives simply lust for blood. What a ridiculous, warped view.

And it's telling to me that Huckabee's philosophy on foreign affairs gets the endorsement of Patriotic Liberal.

Huckabee = the DNC's GOP candidate of choice
NeoConScum writes: Sunday, December, 16, 2007 4:19 AM
Peaky...Where's Those 10 Books, Little
Bud? C'mon, Peakster, we gotsta know.
Patriotic Liberal writes: Sunday, December, 16, 2007 10:00 AM
One Hot Minute
Yeah, whatever. At least when I mock someone, it is generally accompanied by an argument. All CDubber did was dismiss diplomacy as 'Gucci, unicorns, and a group hug.' His post above at 2:14am rectifies the problem. At 2:14, he makes an argument.
Patriotic Liberal writes: Sunday, December, 16, 2007 10:27 AM
CDubber (Part I)
As Mark Twain said, history does not repeat, but it does rhyme. Correlating Democrats like me to the appeasers in the pre-WWII years may satisfy your conceit, but it does not square to history.

In the lead-up to WWII, America spent a negligible amount on defense and had no effective deterrent. Now we finance--what?!--half the world's defense budget? Moreover, we did not have a record of international engagement. We were, for the most part, hunkered down against the impure wider world. We did not even belong to the League of Nations, for crying out loud. The past 60 years has changed all that.

Finally, in the teeth of the worldwide deflation, democratic capitalism was hanging by its nails--here and abroad. Far from "appeasing" the Nazis, there were plenty of people who thought the Nazis were on the right track. Radical ideologies were being seriously considered, as capitalism was regarded to have lost its ability to provide for its people.

Fast forward to today. None of these conditions apply. You have a Democratic opposition who acknowledges serious terrorist threat, even if they criticize--as is their right and even their duty--the specific "measures" undertaken by the Bush Admin to meet that threat. Pre-WWII "appeasement" has nothing to do with it. Its just another stupid soundbite, another stupid platitude, advanced by Republicans to make political hay. The bottom line is that we have a finite amount of resources to commit to this--on this count, it is conservatives who live in LA LA LA land, as though cost is no object--and the Republican was is NOT maximizing the bang for the buck.
Patriotic Liberal writes: Sunday, December, 16, 2007 10:44 AM
CDubber (Part II)
Also, it is not "blood lust" so much as the conceit that we can use a carrot and stick approach in our dealings with other countries. Conservatives think that with a bribe here and a kick-in-the-butt there, we can successfully advance our interests. It is surprising to hear this from the side of our political spectrum that also, correctly, advances the argument about the grandeur and dignity of the human soul. As some of us already knew, but everyone learned in Iraq, when you occupy a nation, you cannot bribe everyone--and those you don't bribe will be led by those you can't bribe. The bottom line is that there is a side to men--maybe faint, maybe indiscernible, but there--that responds to neither carrots nor sticks.

Conservatives today confuse their willingness to inflict brutality on other people with "realism." That's not true. The willingness to invade, to occupy, to imprison and torture, is more grounded in a certain kind of idealism. While it is not an idealism that holds human beings in particularly high regard, it is idealism nonetheless because it thinks in transformative and magical terms. Initially, you thought you would turn Iraq into a beacon of democratic capitalism (and indeed, argued that those of us who doubted it were "racist"). That didn't work. Reality intervened. Now you have lowered the bar. Success is relative stability. That's fine. And we may achieve it, especially by using the Democratic techniques of political outreach. But we have paid a very very very VERY high price to achieve "stability" in Iraq. And the reason for this is the wrong-headed beliefs of American conservatives about the efficacy of force. It is you--not us--who learned the wrong lessons from WWII.
NeoConScum writes: Sunday, December, 16, 2007 11:44 AM
PL+LP...Uummm, Still Awaiting The Heavy-
weight Obama resume list, Kid. Wants to lead this nation at the Huge Historical Moment with what RESUME? You guys better pray for a Huckster victory for the nom. Otherwise--please, oh pleasssse, let it be Obama--your guy is toast.

Would luv to point-by-point lash you on your CDubber windage, but gotta go apply Vast Good to humanity. :-)
Patriotic Liberal writes: Sunday, December, 16, 2007 12:19 PM
Neocon
Be careful about how you speak of the next President of the United States. Barack is on his way. Huck is doing alright too. I believe I'm two for two so far.

McCain and Rudy are the scary ones. Mitt barely clears 45%. Ditto FDT. As for Huck, I think he might be on to a kind of sweetspot in American politics--fiscal liberal and social conservative. While the elites in this country forbear are willing to countenance--in addition to outright liberalism and outright conservatism--fiscal conservatism and social liberalism, Huck's combination, though not sanctioned by the political and media elites, are in line with the realities of middle America.

There is a difference between what people think they are and what they really are. My guess is that many middle Americans are in fact fiscal liberals, even if they don't think of themselves that way. Now, as fiscal "conservatism" has disgraced itself due to its lack of discipline, there will be a greater willingness to look at the fiscal approach more honestly.
Mike's America writes: Sunday, December, 16, 2007 4:11 PM
Where is the RUDY SC Campaign?
Rudy's lead in SC has gone from an incredible high this summer to 4th place.

Meanwhile, his campaign here in the Palmetto State has been invisible.

If he has a campaign here in SC, I wish someone would clue me in.

There's a month to go before our SC primary on Jan. 19th and Rudy has squandered every advantage he so recently held in this state.

WHERE ARE YOU RUDY?
Key writes: Sunday, December, 16, 2007 4:21 PM
National Review flip-flops on Romney
I've posted a bunch of flip-flops by national review on Romney. Here are my 4 favorites. You can find the rest at http://keithcu.com/wordpress/?p=35

Jonah Goldberg:
I’m sorry but Romney still comes across like a well-cast actor in a movie of the week about a guy running for president.

Rich Lowry:
Romney sounds like a game show host.

Rich Lowry:
The rest of his foreign policy stuff—when he talked about Iran and the broader war—felt very shaky and about an inch deep. His account of how he came to change his view on abortion—through the issue of stem-cell research—isn’t very compelling and he would probably be better off not talking about it at all. Fairly or not, people aren’t going to believe it.

Peter Robinson:
Romney’s Catastrophic Answer: “I’ve always been personally pro-life.” That sure isn’t what he tried to convey in his debate with Ted Kennedy, citing his mother’s pro-choice activities and the death of a family friend as the result of a botched abortion. Courtesy of YouTube, hundreds of thousands have now seen that debate with Kennedy, watching with their own eyes as Romney asserted a personally pro-choice position. But he still can’t admit it? A highly intelligent, immensely accomplished, and hugely likeable candidate. But this? Appalling.
Con4fred writes: Sunday, December, 16, 2007 4:22 PM
Virginia Patriot
Amen on your Fred comment.

I am starting to beleive that many Conservatives in this country do not understand what Conservatism is. Too bad!
John writes: Sunday, December, 16, 2007 4:45 PM
Giuliani's slide triggered NYC scandals.
What's happening here is that the rest of the country is learning as much about Rudy as dwellers in the New York region do. What's emerged so far is only the half of it and it was always going to do him in. Now it's starting to look like Huck is mopping up the values vote, I'm expecting Thompson to disappear completely. I know Hewitt is carrying a torch for Romney but it's not going to happen. His mormonism is as a much a disqualifier as Obama's race. It's all totally irrational but it's a fact of life in 2007 America. So who does this leave? Huck or McCain. The Republican "elite" are clearly wetting themselves over the prospect of Huckabee but I'm not sure the values crowd are going to take much notice of their pontifications. I've always thought McCain was our potentially strongest candidate but he's anathema in large parts of the party there is no doubt about it. So we'll have to see how it unfolds but Rudy is probably on an unstoppable slide with a Republican electorate that was always uneasy about him and now they have one of their own in Huck. Just a word on the democratic side. Despite the press talk I still think she's going to pull it out. If you look at any of these detailed national polls where they ask all sorts of policy questions and how you rate the candidate on them Obama is nowhere. But we'll see.
NeoConScum writes: Sunday, December, 16, 2007 4:47 PM
PL+LP...Still Awaiting The Obama-man
resume. There must be something he's done, right??I'm hearing your swoons for The Huckster with a grin on my ol'kisser. That "fiscal liberal" tried to sell some tax swill to Granite State folks the other day, apparently not knowing that they have NO state income tax or sales tax in New Hampshire. Wonder how his 25% sales tax shuck sat with those dour Yankees!

PL+LP, you do not have a clue about conservatives. It's OKay and understandable. You live in The Peoples Republic of Los Angeles. You may see...ohhh...one righty a month. Whenever I'm out in that Lefty Swamp doing a film project, it is an absolute given that I'm assumed to be a Lefty. The shock...the awe...the stun...when I occasionally let the troot outta the bag is hillarious. So, not your fault, Big Boy. (*I spent the evening with a group of producers, writers & actors at my Exec.Producer's home in the Palisades last spring. Very likable & warm. NO resume & it showed.*)But you are miles & miles off on conservatives, much less us members of the baby-sacrificing neocabal.
one hot minute writes: Sunday, December, 16, 2007 5:52 PM
comments for my pal, NeoConScum

NeoConScum,

IF Patriotic Liberal could impress you with Barry Obama's sparkling resume---he would.
And if he could, you know he'd write one of his customary two part, 4,000 word essays with Scrabble words to underscore the mileposts of the seriousness of Obama's 'resume.'

Unfortunately for Patriotic Liberal, Barry's resume is not his selling point---and PL's silence about is admission of it.
And I would argue that that little point is unfortunate for the citizens of the United States, as well.

But what I found to be ironic is how Patriotic Liberal sternly warns you about your tone toward Barry, when he barked;
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"Be careful about how you speak of the next President of the United States."
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This 'warning' emanates from a guy (Patriotic Liberal) who has said more disparaging things about our current President than the collective studio audience at a taping of one of Bill Maher's shows.

I guess Patriotic Liberal doesn't do irony, either.
NeoConScum writes: Sunday, December, 16, 2007 8:36 PM
O H M...Nope On The Irony Quotient
from our liberal friend. Nor paradox. Nor understated humor. But, God luv him, he tries so hard with those doggone 4,000 word sentences!


PL+LP: Damn! Rereading my last post to you, I mentioned the party at my ExecProd's home, but not who was the "Big" guest: Obama-man. Nice, gracious, warm, green, inexperienced, facile, nimble, likable, charming, shallow...Kind of like the Hollywooders surrounding him that night. He's alot less green on the circuit now, as that evening was 8 or 9 months ago.

Resume????????
AJ0099 writes: Sunday, December, 16, 2007 8:55 PM
The Real Reason Rudy is Slipping
People have always said his positions on social issues would be a problem. Some have suggested his fortunes are tied to Hillary. I don't think any of those explanations are true. I think Rudy is in trouble because of his personal life. I suspect if you look at the numbers for Republican women in the polls, he's cratering. His answer to those questions up to this point has been "I've made mistakes...it's none of your business", which is not sufficient. The story about the police protection for his now wife is what has hurt him most, not because anyone believes it amounts to corruption, but because it put the focus on his marital issues. Republican voters (especially female ones) have a serious problem with that kind of behavior. I don't know exactly how he would go about addressing it, but he may need to.
carl writes: Sunday, December, 16, 2007 10:22 PM
the only candidate that everyone.......
can agree on is Fred Thompson. He may be everyone's second choice, but he is EVERYONE'S second choice! Even Paul supporters will admit grudgingly that they like Fred. All the other guys have good points, but Fred has no baggage. And his policies and stances are generally agreeable to all. Fred will be our candidate because it really can't be anyone else. This is a good thing.
ArkRepublican writes: Sunday, December, 16, 2007 11:48 PM
Huckafool...
Agree on Huckafool... after working years on Republicans campaigns across the country and even having served along side good ole' Patrick Ruffini. I honestly believe that Mike Huckabee would destroy our Party. I haven't heard one sincere Fiscal or Foreign Policy Conservative think Huckabee is even close to rational with his statement this week. Then he pretends its just Mitt Romney making issue of it. Folks, go talk to real grassroots conservatives in Arkansas. Huckabee never raised money for the State Party, he campaigned against 4 Republicans in just one cycle because they wouldn't support growing state gov't. This guy is so self absorbed its scary. There are even conversations in Arkansas that most people in his new "Truth Squad" are supporting him because they are scared to go against this guy win or lose. I had rather have Fred, Rudy, McCain or Romney. This doesn't even mention the shady money dealing he had going on in the GOV Mansion and his "non-profits" he ran or accepted money from. $112,000 in gifts alone. Everyone in Arkansas is just sitting here thinking, is this "for Real". As my dad used to say, Beware the smiling dog.
NeoConScum writes: Monday, December, 17, 2007 7:59 AM
Romney & Thompson Ticket, A Sure
WINNER. Guys I trust here--Joe comes to mind--have repeatedly stated that Fred won't take the VP offer from Mitt. It's worth flatery, begging, bribery, threats of publishing the polaroids, WHATEVER! Just, get that boy aboard, when the time comes.
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