I was acquainted with Mitt at BYU. He was and is as conservative as any we will find. What shocked me was he position on abortion while in Mass. The church sees abortion as major sin. I guess he felt he needed to compromise himself by saying he felt abortion should be "safe and legal". Actually, one can be against abortion but still want it to be safe and legal (for those who wrongfully chose it).
Bottom line was Mitt was not being Mitt when he was in ultra liberal Mass. I felt bad for him knowing the internal conflicts he faced.
Even now, I think he is more conservative than he lets on, for better or for worse. I say that because he is not as tough on immigration as he needs to be...he favors more legal immigration which is pro-business but harmful to the middle class. If we get any deeper into the recession we may rethink that position.. At least I hope he will.
By the way, he's not as stiff as he appears...he'll loosen up if he gets the VP spot...just watch.
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And like say, Hillary Clinton. Or like, say Barak Obama.
Both of whom have based their plans on Romney's.
Of course, Romney seemed a little embarrased about his genius plan:
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18076906/
My favorite line in that second article: Romney saying that the government mandate will ensure "personal responsibility." That's just wonderful. The government making sure you're being a responsible person. Maybe the government should intervene to make sure you don't eat one too many cookies, too.
Or how about this bit of info about the Heritage Foundation: "Romney made a personal contribution of $25,000 to the think-tank in December 2005, although a Heritage spokesman said it had no influence over the group's opinions." Ha Ha. If it had been any other candidate (McCain, Huckabee), you Mitwitts would have been falling all over yourselves calling attention to the fact and denouncing the support of such conservatives as having been paid for.
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On healthcare. Like say, the Heritage Foundation.
You can call us Mittwits if it makes you feel better, but I've noticed a lot more people on TH like Romney, than the few who don't. Maybe it's because he really is a conservative, much more so than anyone else running this time besides Fred, and he was (by a comfortable mile) the most competent, qualified man running. |
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Talking to Mittwits is like talking to a brick.
A stupid brick.
A stupid brick that has stuck his fingers in his ears and started yelling, "LALALALALALA!!!"
They keep claiming that Mitter the Quitter is the "most conservative." But Romney instituted a plan that forced people to buy health insurance. And if one couldn't afford health insurance, the government stepped in and helped them buy it.
A lot of people, especially if they are young and healthy, do not feel that health insurance is a good use of their money. But Romney begged to differ and used government power to get them to make the decision that he thought was right. His reasoning? It was "more fair" to do it that way, to keep people from "mooching" off the health care system.
This kind of thinking is clearly not conservative. A real Conservative reigns in the government rather than expanding it. A Progressive uses government power to institute reforms that he deems necessary, regardless of who it affects. |
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All you posts are full of BS. They are not even worth answering.
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Sohnman says: "You anti Romney Guys Really need to realize one thing, McCain has no chance of winning without Mitt or a serious conservative."
True enough. McCain does need to select an authentic conservative. By that very definition, Romney is disqulaified.
Romney's record of illegally instituting same sex "marriage," establishing abortion on demand with a $50 co pay as part of his socialist healthcare plan that was enodrsed by hillary, Teddy Kennedy, and Planned Parenthood, support for homosexual scoutmasters, increasing taxes by $800 million which has destroyed the Mass economy (as has his socialist healthcare plan),and congenital lying (similar like Hugh Hewitt's)put him to the left of every GOP candidate who ran and every Democrat in the sense that not even Hillary or Obama have been able to achieve what The Zombie did in installing same sex "marriage" and establishing abortion as a "healthcare benefit."
McCain will pick an authentic conservative b/c he realizes he needs to to win. And b/c of that calculus Romney won't be the guy. (Not to mention the fact that McCain hates Romney)
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Really need to realize one thing, McCain has no chance of winning without Mitt or a serious conservative. Even then, many will be holding their noses as they pull the lever in November. Once the Democrat side is decided, the anti McCain media will start in droves. It is already happening to some degree. McCainiac's also need to realize if it was not for Romney's early withdrawal, the contest would be far from over. McCain owes Romney the Veep spot. With that said, I seriously doubt that McCain will swallow his significant pride and make a wise decision. He is far to much of a maverick to make winning decisions. Luckily in four years we will have another opportunity to set the nation right. |
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View and pass on McCain's new and first general election ad:
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He continued to defend him on the View. Elizabeth Hasselback let him have it straight on:
doesn't that reflect poor judgment on Obama's part? Yes, yes it does. The mainstream media has basically turned its artillery on getting Hillary to lose PA now and I will get a nice laugh when she wins anyway. I live in PA and we can see a cheap Chicago shyster politician when he's standing right there. Sadly for him, the biggest state he will win prior to the nomination will be Illinois. Hard to imagine him winning the electoral votes in November in big states that preferred Hillary to him. LOL |
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It reminds me a lot of Reagan and Bush 41. The Mountain States of Colorado, Nevada and New Mexico will probably tilt their way with Romney. Massachusetts, Michigan and New Hampshire probably tilt their way too. Romney's not too conservative and that is GOOD if you want to win the election. His money / political machines will supplement McCain's weaker versions. His knowledge of business will likely exceed any VP choice of Obama, even Bloomberg who basically sells funny little debt machines. |
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See? I can play too, action. Thought I would make stuff like your so fond of doing! |
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Doubt it will be Portman. Geez, your so desparte not to have a mormon on the ticket you make stuff up? LLOLOL.
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And if conservatives would like him, McCain won't, the V.P. slot will be pro-amnesty. |
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You will all be hearing in a few weeks I am sure that McCain will pick Rob Portman from Ohio as his running mate. It makes sense to me and will definately help McCain not only in Ohio but among grass roots conservatives especially in the south who would see him as significantly enhancing the ticket unlike Romney who grass roots conservatives especially Evangelical Christians in the south could never vote for.
Portman will be McCain's VP. Remember where you heard it. |
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PC, nice name calling. I'm "delusional huh?" Care to point out one thing I said that was factually incorrect? Or are you only capable of puerile name calling? What are you 15 years old? Get a life. |
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yes Hillpus. Romney did claim to favor a state constitutional amendment as he was leaving office. But this was only for show. He knew that the legislature would never allow it to come to a vote (which it didn't) and the damage had already been done in that Romney had already illegally imposed same sex marriage without an accompanying legal statute as everybody knows (except for brain dead Romniacs like PC and you who are impervious to facts). Oh and Romney also opposed a constituional amendment in 2002 calling it "too extreme." The guy is a souless zombie who will say anything to get elected.
The fact remains that Romney and not the courts illegally instituted same sex marriage and we will never allow Romney to get out of it. The truth always comes out.
Again, look at my previous post (6 comments back) for proof that Romney illegally instituted same sex marriage.
People are entitled to their own opinions but not their own facts.
And Hewitt's involvement covering up Romney's illegal instituion of same sex marriage will come out as well in due time. He whitewashed romney's record for a couple pieces of silver. The truth always comes out. |
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Gov. Romney has more experience fighting for traditional marriage than any other candidate:
1. He pushed for an amendment to Massachusetts’ constitution to overturn the same-sex “marriages” that courts have imposed;
2. He testified before Congress and wrote to senators in favor of the Federal Marriage Amendment; and
3. He ordered the enforcement of a little-known 1913 law to prevent out-of-state gay couples from getting “married” in Massachusetts.
In fact, Gov. Romney averted a national constitutional crisis by legal maneuvering which made it impossible for gay couples in Tennessee, for example, to go to Massachusetts to wed. He famously said he wouldn't allow Massachusetts to become the "Las Vegas of gay marriage." He also tried to work within the system by circulating a petition to overturn the courts decision about the gay marriage issue. What have the other candidates done, other than just talk about it? |
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Brian Camenker’s claim in “The Mitt Romney Deception” that “Romney Barred Boy Scouts from public participation in the 2002 Olympics” is entirely false. There are several articles that directly contradict Camenker’s conclusion. NewsMax.com, Camenker’s source, did not even claim that Romney made the decision to bar the Scouts. In fact, Romney, at least at that time, sat on the Boy Scout’s executive board. The Boy Scouts said that the NewsMax article was false. Even NewsMax admitted that the Olympic Committee said that there was an age restriction of 18 years old and up to be a volunteer. There are also inconsistencies in the two NewsMax articles, only one of which is cited by Camenker. There is also some negative treatment of the accuracy of NewsMax.com, but mostly by liberal critics. Since no major media source ran anything about this story, and the local media directly contradicted it, it appears that Camenker’s claim is false. |
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Man, it sure was sweet to see the Mac and Mitt roadshow today. From SLC to Denver, these two goofballs yuked it up for the camera's and raised some cash. I did not notice any acting shoes.
While it's not yet engraved in stone, It's looking very good for the Mitt and Mac show to start playing in prime time!
Meanwhile, VP wannabe, huck, is seeking that fried squirell recipie to publish in the new 'Cooking with Chuch Norris' cookbook. No Mac and Huck sightings. |
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I see that you didn't get any help and are still delusional. |
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Meant to say "McCain hates the guy (Romney)" |
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"PC" aside from your posts being factually incorrect ramblings I noticed that about half the comments come from you. Uh, do you actually have a life or do you live to post comments on Hugh Hewitt's lame blog? My God. Please get a life. I would be embarrassed if I were you. better to post a few times and actually say something coherent than to post 100 times and say nothing remotely salient.
Lay off the Romney Kool Aid and get a life. Romney is not I repreat not going to be McCain's choice. Trust me on that one. He was never even on the "short list." Romney hates the guy and is only using him right now to raise money.
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"PC" claims that Romney changed his mind on abortion just like Reagan. Uh, wrong again "PC."
When morons like "PC" or even Romney himself compares himself or even evokes the name of Ronald Reagan it makes me sick. Did Reagan favor homosexual Boy Scouts like Mitt does? Would Reagan have ever banned the Boy Scouts from the Olympics like Mitt did? Did Reagan establish abortion on demand in his government run healthcare plan like Mitt did calling it a "healthcare benefit"?Would Reagan have opposed the Bush Tax cuts or favored McCain Feingold, or McCain Kennedy like Mitt Zombie did? Would Reagan have shredded the oldest functioning constitution written by John Adams by illegally imposing "same sex marriage" in the Cradle of Liberty like Romney did? Would Ronald Reagan have forced the nation's oldest foster care and adoption agency Catholic Charities to adopt to homosexual couples or go out of business even though he was not legally obligated to as Romney did? Would Reagan have forced Catholic Hospitals to provide abortofascients even though there was no legal obligation to do so as Slick Willard did? Would Reagan have claimed he was a "life long" hunter even though he had only hunted "twice in his life" as Romney did? Would Reagan have said he remembers "seeing" his father march with MLK even though the two never marched together as Romney falsely claimed? Would Reagan tie the family dog to the car on a 12 hour trip from Boston to Ontario Canada like Romney did?
Wouldn't it be nice if there was one reputable "conservative" media person to ask him these questions who wasn't in the tank for him (Rush, Sean, Hewitt, Bennett, et al.) especially Hewitt!
Romney is Hillary in a Reagan Costume. When will people realize this? When will this charade be up?
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Sorry "PC" but you have no clue what you are talking about as ususual.
Romney claims to oppose "gay marriage" and "did everything he could to oppose it as governor." Yet, his record shows that he was advised to ignore the Goodridge opinion by various constitutional lawyers (including Kool Aid Swilling Romney Suck Up Hugh Hewitt- proof source http://massresistance.blogspot.com/2007/12/hugh-hewitt-tol d-romney-to-defy-mass.html) and chose not to even though the court had no constitutional jurisdictional authority to even hear the case in the first place. When the legislature never amended or suspended the current marriage statute (Ch. 207) to accommodate "gay marriage" that should have been the end of it. But Romney had privately promised the Log Cabin GOPs not to oppose gay marriage if elected governor in 2002( proof source http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/08/us/politics/08romney.htm l?_r=3&hp=&oref=slogin&pagewanted=print&oref=slogin ) and so he chose to ignore the constitution he swore to uphold to fulfill the campaign promise to the Log Cabin GOPs and ordered his own Dept of Health to illegally change the marriage certificates from "husband" and "wife" to "partner A" and "partner B" and ordered Justices of the Peace and Town Clerks to perform same sex marriage ceremonies or resign even though it was against the law to do so.
"PC" you might want to actually do some homework. This would be a good place to start moron. http://www.undergroundjournal.net/igroops/theunderground/a dminpages/Letter-To-Romney-JAN-07
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It's Romney the grassroots are hoping for as VP, not Huckabee. Talk radio did choose Romney as the most conservative candidate available this time around.
Do you really think they were duped into believing Romney was conservative? Think about it. They looked at his record and his committment to conservative positions.
It's Huck's record that did him in, along with a lot of rhetoric that sounded very liberal. (hate the rich, big bad business, wingtips in Iran, Bush' arrogant, bunker mentality, etc.) |
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It has never changed. He was always against gay marriage and I challenge anyone to find evidence to the contrary.
Some people hoping to find a fatal flaw in Romney like to pretend that Romney instituted gay marriage in Mass, but rational and well-informed people know tht he fought vailiantly against it - did everything under his legal power to oppoe it and even went to congress and urged them to pass a marriage amendment. (McCain voted no.)
Yes, Romney changed his position on life, just like Reagan. But he has never varied from being a strong advocate for traditional marriage. |
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"Romney = a man who is not authentic and lacks the ability to connect with voters and whose contradictory remarks about pro-life and gay marriage make Rev. Wright look like a moderate man."
Really Sarah? You might want to rethink that. |
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Romney would be a good choice for VP.
I bet Lindsey Graham has the first lady position all sown up. |
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After watching the republican primaries and now the democratic primaries. One can honestly say that americans are too smart to get side tracked by any candidate who is lying about BIG ISSUES. Obama's rise was partly based on Oprah's packaging and Hillary hatred. However, in a general election, americans will not be fooled. The polls are already showing that americans do not trust Obama and that can only get worse. It is difficult to see what else Obama can do to improve his ratings. Having Bill Richards (a loser) endorse him, did not improve his position with anyone, not even the Hispanics who seem to trust McCain more than Obama. Couple that with the idea over 30% of Clinton's supporters trust Mc more than Obama and you can be sure at a 95% confidence level - THERE WILL NEVER BE A PRESIDENT HUSSEIN IN THE WHITEHOUSE. |
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It's beginning to appear inevitable that Romney will be McCain's pick. I say this because they are now campaigning together quite amicably.
I like Huckabee the best for VP. At least he's for the Fair Tax. And he speaks well. And he can energize the base.
But while Huckabee can bring in the grassroots, Romney can deliver the greenbacks, and right now that's the thing weighing most on McCain's mind, what with Obama and Hillary raking in the millions.
Also, Romney benifits from having done enough focus groups to know all the talking points to please the chatterati. It doesn't matter what his mixed record as Massachusetts governor and his performance as presidential candidate was. For example, he switched on abortion, gay marriage and gun rights all at the same time; he used government to force people to buy health insurance; he promised during the campaign that he would use government money to bail out the auto industry; he spent millions of dollars and only won in states where he went unopposed. Despite all of that, Romney is perceived as the "true conservative" by the talk radio class. That counts for a lot in this media-intensive world. |
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and no matter who McCain picks - he will be the next president of the united states. |
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Qualified for the position but the timing is lousy considering Bush is current president. |
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democrats are already trying to pitch McCain to Bush's policies. Given Bush's low ratings, McCain does not need to pick a VP who reminds people of rich republican businessmen. This is the kiss of death. McCain needs a person who will be strong on social conservative values (prolife & marriage) without any questionable policy issues like Romney's prolife or marriage policy issues and religious affiliation. If he makes the mistake Gore made by picking Lieberman (and losing Tennessee his home state), McCain will loose the election because he would have picked Romney -= a man who is not authentic and lacks the ability to connect with voters and whose contradictory remarks about pro-life and gay marriage make Rev. Wright look like a moderate man. Romeny may bring economic advantages i.el. he is rich and he is a businessman but he will make McCain loose the favorable/trust factor that is drawing americans from ALL parties to his camp. Romney will cost more than he will bring to the ticket. |
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Ziglet,
You did not give Romney a serious look or you would not have come up with the conclusions that you did.
This is a guy who donated his salary as governor and also as manager of the Olympics, more than three million dollars. It all went to charity. If he were concerned about his bank account, he wouldn't have done that. Yes, he has a lot of money. I observe that he does good things with that money. It is a means to an end, not the end itself. Romney will be successful whether he is ever VP or POTUS. He understands that no success in his public life can mean anything if his home life is a failure. Look at his lovely family and see what we all hope for. He is pro life and pro family, but you didn't research that carefully enough to know what I mean. |
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But she is not necessarily the best person for the job. Her identity is the main reason she is being considered. She does not have the experience that many other hopefuls have, and she has not expressed interest in running for any office.
Romney is made to order, and if McCain wants enthusiastic conservative voters, he should get on with making Romney VP.
But, so far, he hasn't showed any interest in courting conservatives. In fact, almost just the opposite. He thinks he can win without us, and the polls seem to show it. |
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Sorry, not "nominees," but "hopefuls." |
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I hope McCain stays away from all of the other nominees and that he picks someone to share his ticket who he believes would be a great president, should need arise. Any purely momentary considerations for his choice would be extremely disappointing to me.
I like Dr. Rice. She may not want the job, but she knows her country has need of her. |
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Huckabee was a governor in the liberal mold and merely employed conservative rhetoric in the campaign. Why do you think he was out and out rejected by conservative leaders and talk radio? It was for a reason! The same reason Romney won the hearts of conservatives at CPAC and everywhere else, and with 99% of talk radio. Because Romney's record is conservative and Huck's isn't.
Huck can't change his spots. And if you don't know where Romney stands on life and marriage by now, then you just weren't paying attention. Tax loopholes? What are you talking about?
Romney is hands down the best choice for VP. Why do you think Rove says Huck would "double McCain's troubles"? Because Huck is no more conservative than McCain, and everyone knows it but you. |
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Huckabee brings consistency. The man was an excellent governor. His leadership skills are impeccable. He knows how to work across the aisle. He's proven. He doesn't vascillate.
Is Romney pro choice or pro life? Pro one man one woman or homosexual civil unions? I don't know where the guy stands. And I'm sure he benefits significantly from the many tax loopholes currently available to him.
Who cares if he's Mormon! I gave him a serious look when I was researching for potentials to vote for. But he wasn't consistent. That's a problem.
The VP hasn't mattered much in past elections, but that's all changed this year. Why? Because we have 3 Democrats running for president.
Both parties are beginning to crack. You've got your Blue Dogs and Zell Miller types on the Dems side and you've got a whole bunch of true conservatives on the Reps side. Since the GOP is moving further left, a change is bound to happen. |
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Nope. Mitt can't fix the economy. Mitt doesn't appear to do anything that doesn't benefit him or his bank acct.
Fair Tax is the tranparent, streamlined, efficient and simple solution. Doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure this one out. |
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will never Ask Romney to be VP because he "hates' him and Mccain lives on hate. He hates Bush, he hates Romney, he hates any congressman or senator who did not agree with him, he hates conservatives and he hates the christian right. The only people he doesn't hate are democrats and liberals. He absolutely loves them and the MSM. He hated George W. so much that he voted against his tax cuts and thought about leaving the party, twice. He hated conservatives for not nominating him in 2000 and he fought them at every turn. He hated the christian right so much that he gave speeches denouncing their influence.
In a perfect world, where democrats did not decide the republican nominee, Romney would be at the top of the ticket. Maybe in 2012.
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Tonight, March 27, Mitt Romney will host John McCain at a dinner fundraiser at the Grand America Hotel in Salt Lake City.
Joint appearance, folks. Joint.
Not just words, but actions.
McCain-Romney 08 |
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good interview.
romney listed several former/current gov's (along wth him) that would make a great veep, including some senators/former senators. Hucks list did not cross his lips.
I think the winds are moving to Romney as veep. Even Medved thinks so.
And yes, Eddie, I was joking, as I am sure you were too when you try to interpert what the LDS faith believe in. |
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Also, if your comment was said jokingly, I understand. But it is difficult to tell when you are joking. |
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Nothing personal, but you sure have a lot of negative things to say about people. For example, saying Arkansans are not the sharpest pencils in the deck. It is also stereotyping and leads me to wonder about your objectivity. |
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so that arugument is bogus. And having met some folks from Arakanas, I can say they are not the sharpets pencils in the deck. After all, they gave us the clintons. |
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Disagree. When your running a wisper campaign, and having preachers preaching against voting for Mitt, then losing on the 'shoestring' budget will happen.
So, lets talk, WY, ID, NV... and all the other places (including FLA) here Huck placed third or not at all? All those vote outweight the handfull of evangalical votes that Huck got. And not all evangalials voted for Huck. Many voted for Mitt! Go to Evangalialsformitt.com.
Mitt is on Hannity. Where's huck? Have not (thanfully) heard his uneducatued southern drawl. Least he could have done is completed his education, instead of droppingout of God school to become a TV evangalist. Tells me where hi$ heart I$$$$$. |
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Take off the rosey glasses. Huck DID indeed, say something in feigned innocnce regarding Romney's faith. Huck also was a keynote speaker in 1999, at a Anti-mormon convention sponsored by his SBC church.
I'm glad that Romney on the ticket is not a deal breaker for you, but if huck is on the ticket, he is a deal breaker for me. I'm not the bigot. He is..
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re-elected twice by his constituents. Mitt was never re-elected. Huckabee served Arkansas for 12 years as an executive. He left Arkansas better off.
Huckabee's eloquence is well known and respected by most who have heard him. That he is trustworthy is obvious based on his being re-elected twice.
Huckabee has remained consistent to his principles and stands up for them with courage. For example, he was the only candidate to introduce the pro-life issue into debates.
His campaigning ability is obvious from his going from an unknown in May 2007 to his winning Georgia, Alabama, Tennessee and other states on a shoestring budget.
The right wing of the Republican Party has shown steadfast support for him, if we are to believe the exit polls from the various primaries.
I understand you have trouble with him as a candidate, but I believe you are in an extreme minority. Can the Republicans win without the Mormon vote? Probably. Will they have to? Only if the Mormons think BHO will support their religion more strongly than McCain. |
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McCain picking Romney is not a deal breaker for me. I would have voted for Romney in the general if he had been the Party's nominee.
The fact that you do not understand the Trinity or the Incarnation is not surprising. They are both divine mysteries. No human understands these doctrines completely. However, some, through years of study and the grace of God, understand these mysteries better than others.
The fact remains that relatively few (maybe 20 million) people who call themselves followers of Christ believe He was a creature, while a huge number (about 1.5 billion) of His followers worship Him as their uncreated Creator. From a theological perspective, this is significant. From a political perspective, it is relatively insignificant to me and most others.
I never brought up Romney's Mormonism and neither did Huckabee. Huckabee was responding to a reporter's question. Huckabee would have supported Romney also if he had been the Party's nominee. Most posts related to this topic originate with Mormons, not non-Mormons. |
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eloquence, sincerity, principles and campaign ability...
Your not serious?
Bush has better command of the English languague than huck had. Sincere? Please, I've bought lemmon cars from men more sincere than Huckabee. Principled? There again, your off the reservation. He got his clocked cleaned when his RECORD in Arkansas came out. Campaign ability? Mitt still got more votes and delegates. Even after dropping out a full month before huckabee. Huckabee is in Judical Watches' list of most corrupt politians. Romney? No where near the list.
I trust Romney. I don't trust Huckabee to protect my right to worship as I see fit. I'm not voting for a Pastor in chief, or a Bishop in chief. I'd be voting for Romney (ether as pres or as Veep) even IF he were Southern Baptist who daced with snakes. He is simply the best qualified. |
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Three cheers for MAC-MITT!
MAC-MITT!!
MAC-MITT!!
MAC-Mitt!
You know what they say in baseball: If the Mitt fits..... Play ball! |
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Say it with me!
There's no reason to not pick Mitt. Who else is there, really? Pawlenty? No one knows who he is outside of Minnesota. Crist? Too overly tan to appear sincere. Sounds shallow? Sure, but that's how voters think. |
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How about a former evangalical who is Black, Female and now Mormon?
Gladys Knight for veep, anyone?
She more qualified than Huck. At least Sister Knight has made a payroll and can pay her mortgage, unlike your guy. |
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I know your an immature young man, who has not yet left your homeschool. I'm sure this is a 'project'. But you are delving into doctrine that really makes zero sense. Christ created himself? Ok, reason just went out the window. I'm not going to get into a doctrinal contest with you, as I firmly believe that my faith is right for me and my family.
This year, we have a Black man, a woman, and a baptist (mccain) running for president. We've had hispanics, jewish, Quaker (Nixion). A muslim sits in Congress. So, what seems to be the problem with a Mormon holding the second highest office? Nothing. Nada. Zippo. Your colors are showing and they are not pretty. |
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give it up. Huck is washed up, if he could even find a beach on a map. Even Medved thinks Romney is the golden child for veep. McCain will be in SLC tomorrow, fundraising. One thin the LDS folks have is cash, but only if our needs are met. Utah is the bluest of blue states, but if Huckabee is on ticket, it will not be purple, but RED.
too many stars are aligning to not to think that McCain is seriously considering the number two guy. And that guy is Romney. |
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Huckabee would be the GOP nominee. By repudiating his record, Romney took conservative votes from Huckabee and allowed the left most third of the GOP to get their man the nomination. That is why McCain should pick Huckabee. McCain already has vast appeal for those voters, both Democratic and Republican, who support the tepid middle. He needs a VP who will energize the right wing of the GOP and that candidate is Huckabee.
Huckabee's eloquence, sincerity, principles and campaign ability are additional positives. |
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Huckabee is its natural leader. |
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Mormons who can only swoon at the sight or sound of him. |
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Exit polls in every primary indicated that those who identified themselves as "very conservative" overwhelmingly supported Huckabee.
So Mormon bigots, get off your high horse and realized you are the ones out of touch with the GOP and conservatism.
You are blinded by your religious bigotry and inability to see that not everyone believes Jesus was created by the heavenly Father. In fact, far less than 20 million people worldwide believe such a thing. On the other hand, about 1.5 BILLION people worldwide believe Jesus is the uncreated, eternally existing God. You think it is bigotry to point facts like these out. Whereas the true bigotry comes from being unable to vote for a non-mormon when a Mormon is running.
Huckabee is clearly the most honest and able person who has run for president in recent memory. All of the lies put out by posters will not change that. If McCain is going to pick the best person to succeed him in the event of a catastrophe, he will pick Huckabee. I realize of course, that may not be the criteria McCain applies when picking his VP. |
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Four years of the Cheney Treatment; being the butt of Leno, Letterman, et al. jokes; painted as the Darth Vader of the administration? In 2012, he'll be called a Beltway Insider, will be blamed for McCain's failures and not given credit for successes.
Will it help him get past the Mormon issue? I doubt it. The Evangelicals aren't going to drop that and anybody like Huckabee who cares to can play it.
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McCain Fortune Traced To Organized Crime
http://www.rense.com/general81/mccin.htm |
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I'd say go with your gut on this one. Romney's had a lot of hype from the chatterati, but while he says all of the right things, I don't perceive that he authentically believes everything he says. He's willing to step away from the talking points in order to get votes; the promise to give billions of dollars of government money to bail out the auto industry, for instance.
The Mittwitts have stars in their eyes, and have been acting like schoolgirls fawning over the captain of the football team. The rest of us can see his flakiness, and his shakiness on conservative issues. |
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would be McCain's best choice IMO. I will vote for McCain no matter who he picks (except for Huckabee who is a crook and also does not have good judgment) because he is by far preferable to HRC or BHO. But I only get one vote, and I still think that McCain will loose in November no matter who he picks, so ultimately I don't think it matters. |
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I think Gov. Romney is the perfact VP for McCain. He'll fill McCain's weaknesses very well, plus it lines up a strong canidate for 2012. I just don't see McCain serving more than one term age wise. |
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I think Gov. Romney is the perfact VP for McCain. He'll fill McCain's weaknesses very well, plus it lines up a strong canidate for 2012. I just don't see McCain serving more than one term age wise. |
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Mitt on the ticket just doesn't feel right. My gut feeling is that it is not a good move and won't work well. |
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Both are so ill-equipped to be president that it is actually frightening. Neither has the skill set, and neither has the devotion to correct principles that are bottom line requirements, in my mind.
Sure, McCain is awful in many ways, but at least I know in my heart that he is an adult who will do the right thing if the country is in danger. He will stay as steadfast in the WOT as Bush has been. Say what you want about Bush, but give him credit for his dogged determination to protect America and stay on offense in the WOT. I love him for that. He is a man of honor and principle.
McCain can be counted on in the same way. I hope he chooses Romney for the good of the country. He is the best possible man for the job, and McCain could really use his help. |
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Of course - should have known. Eddie is a Huckabilly! That explains every ignorant post of his.
Dumber than a box of hammers. |
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I would love to see Romney on the ticket. McCain will do what McCain wants to do and that's that. We'll have to wait and see. If he picks Romney I'll be a lot more excited about the election than I am now. |
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I don't know if McCain would go for it.
I think Romney could help deliver some key states, California top among them. He could make it a run in Oregon, Washington and Michigan as well. McCain gets those states and the GOP gets the White House easily.
Put that together with McCain's other biggest weaknesses (too old, bad at raising money, not solid with conservative Republicans) and Romney starts to sound a lot better. Also, you know there are ZERO skeletons in the closet with Romney. Rock solid marriage, awesome economic bonafides, no ethical blemishes whatsover in his private career.
But can Crankey Old John get over his personal dislike for Mitt?
I'm not betting on it, however much I'd like to see them on the same ticket. |
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But with that said, I think Mc Cain would be wise to pick Mitt. It might pull back a few conservatives that are off the reservation. But watch, if it looks like he is even trying to please the base he will not do it. That just seems to be his nature. |
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I said:
'I will sit this one out and hope our country (and especially the GOP) take enough of a beating'.
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That sounds really patriotic. Personally, I would never wish harm on my country.
Well in IMHO if you vote for any of the three the country will take a beating.
If the opposing party is in the White House then maybe, just maybe our congressmen will grow a set and finally start to act like Republicans rather then Democrats. But if Mc Cain is in the White House, (THE LEADER OF THE PARTY) they will have to go along, with all that we love with Mc Cain. Like Mc Cain/Feingold, immigration, voted against Bush’s tax cuts, talks about Christian leaders as “ agents of intolerance”, met with leading Democrats in 2004 to discuss the possibility of Kerry’s VP, was in the Keating 5 (we will sure to hear adds on that soon), filed an amicus brief against pro –life advocates in Wisconsin. Gang of 14. Voted to give illegal immigrants social security money. But hey what’s not to like??
We had to get Carter to get Reagan.
I’m sorry, I for one am tired of eating $%#*& sandwiches. I can not and will not vote for any more RINO’s.
In the long run, I wonder who is the patriot?
Sometimes you have to stand up for what you think is right even if every one thinks you are wrong.
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And that's the bottom line. |
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I too would vote AGAINST McCain if he put Huckabee on the ticket. But word is that Huckabee has no chance with McCain. McCain knows he needs conservatives and Huckabee was no conservative with a few social exceptions. Also, his bigotted identity politics would not help McCain with swing voters.
With Romney, I could be persuaded to vote for McCain. Can't say that I am much inclined to vote for him otherwise. If John McCain is wise he will choose Mitt. |
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Maybe Romney would help the housing market by passing a law to force everyone to buy a house. That was basically his plan for "fixing" the health care problems in Mass.
Being a business success does not equate to being knowledgable in economics; otherwise, Bloomberg and Soros would be considered economic geniuses.
Read McCain's website. The things he says about economics (low taxes, low government spending, no subsidies for specific industries, and free trade) shows he knows plenty about the government's role in the economy.
Romney, meanwhile, is the one who wants to shore up a failing industry by giving it government funding. Like that's never been tried before. |
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We know you wrote a book about a Mormon in the White House but can you give it up already? |
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Respectfully disagree. Key word is 'standards'. Huck has none. Huck is a low class guy with no ideas, no background, no real education and no plan, other than stealth attacks. He's not ready for prime time. And if McCain is dumb enough to choose Huck, then McCain knows he's lost the election, and the ENTIRE western US would not vote for such a man. Period.
McCain loses with the huck. It took some real solvent to pry hucks lips off McCain's backside, But the GOP was able to do it. |
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would make the best president, he will pick Huckabee. Even John McCain knows Huck should have been the nominee because he is the most qualified to be president. |
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i am a conservative first and foremost. i will vote mccain but he won't get my money, enthusiam, or time. i actually like it when he flubs, it makes me feel good inside as terrible as that is. that said he is a little better than hillary and a lot better than barack.
with romney on the ticket, it will get me on board. if he picks someone to show us he is still a mavrick. good riddance. |
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Romney couldn't win his virtual home state of New hampshire. McCain has that one under control there Mr. Rocket Scientist.
McCain needs to select an authentic conservatives not the founding father of same sex marriage, socialist healthcare, and 50 dollar co pay abortions who is a pathological liar...kind of like you Hugh.
Hugh, didn't I tell you to lay off the Kool Aid. Enough with the Romney for VP shilling Hugh.
Gregg Jackson already put that one to bed Hugh with his rebuttal to your fellow out of touch GOP elite buddy Mr. Inside the Beltway Fred Barnes. http://www.townhall.com/columnists/GreggJackson/2008/03/19 /mccain_must_resist_increasingly_surreal_hubris_of_gop_elit es?page=1
Now lay off the Romney Kool Aid Hugh. He lost. We don't want him as President and we don't want him as VP. In fact we don't want either one of you anywhere near the Oval Office.
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That Condi is a white male. Would "he" be considered for VP? Don't think so. Let's not fall into the identity trap. Condi is intelligent, talented, accomplished and has given her all to serve America, but she is not the right fit for VP. |
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First of all, all of my posts were prompted by you and PC resorting to calling anyone you disagree with a demeaning name.
Second of all, I went to the official Mormon website and they do teach that abortion can be moral. They also teach that Jesus was created by the heavenly Father.
Maybe we have a confusion in terms. However, for me the word divine implies uncreated. In addition, the word God implies uncreated. If Mormons have a different definition of divine and God, then the discussion should be about the definition. However, I know, based on reading the official church website, that Mormons teach that Jesus was created by the Heavenly Father before Jesus became Man.
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But she has already said she is not interested in the job at this time. She has stated that she would like to go back to Stanford, or other university.
I seriously doubt McCain would risk political sucicide by choosing Lieberman. nice guy, but way too liberal for middle america.
And lets just put this religion issue to rest. In the LDS faith, we respect the right for all to worship as they see fit. Even presidents. I could care less about the faith of a president. What I do care about is if that person respects MY faith, and will help protect it. Some of you out there need to study and learn on your own. |
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'I will sit this one out and hope our country (and especially the GOP) take enough of a beating'.
That sounds really patriotic. Personally, I would never wish harm on my country. |
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And the RINOs will tell us what a smart and wonderful choice he is.
Rest in Peace GOP. |
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It not likely McCain will select Romney. It will be too easy from Romney to overshadow the little "pretend to be happy" angry man.
But if he did, it would be one of the smartest things he could do
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IMHO, I am not voting for Mc Cain. My choice is communist , communist lite, or liberal. No thank you. I will sit this one out and hope our country (and especially the GOP) take enough of a beating that the next go around they will come to realize that the base is tired of eating $%&*$ sandwiches. Hell we can’t even build a fence (something that 80% of America wants). I don’t think who ever is in the VP will make a difference. Remember Mc Cain is the ONLY maverick he will want someone to toe HIS line once in power. |
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Romney as VP would be the smartest thing McCain has ever done!!! If Romney doesnt take it he is a fool. McCain will not run for second term for sure,he is to old!! This would give Romney an excellent chance of taking the White House 2012. |
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Fabius Cunctator,
The Townhall main blog is probably not the best forum for discussing theological differences, even if it is intended in a respectful, civil, informative manner.
In recent weeks, I saw you discuss theology with the Protestant McTex, and can vouch to our Mormon friends here that you did so in a civil manner---even though McTex was not always very polite to you.
(and by the way, Patriotic Liberal is someone you're best to ignore---he's just a nasty, angry, left-wing, name-caller.)
However, because Townhall is specifically a political blog, there are too many drive-by jokers (see "eddie too") who throw non-constructive insults at folks for their theology.
When Romney was a candidate, every crabby evangelical and secular fool who had a bad day at work or got dumped by a girlfriend, came to Townhall specifically to rant against Mormons and Joseph Smith.
We're all conservatives here, and I think we should focus all of our energies on fighting Islamic Jihadists and radical lefties. |
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"The Arians of ancient times also taught that Jesus was not divine."
No they didn't. You don't understand Arianism.
"So, the Mormon's coming up with such a teaching is nothing new. In fact, denying Jesus is divine is the earliest heresy concerning Jesus. Ultimately, it was the reason He was crucified. Those who crucified Him did not believe he was divine either."
But Mormons DO believe that Jesus was and is divine.
You don't understand Mormonism.
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Ironically, many people whose faiths subscribe to the triune God instinctively believe in two Gods. The triune God is counter-intuitive for many. My evangelical friends tell me how difficult the concept is for them to understand and teach.
I wish they were open to considering a different possibility.
I felt Eddie was misrepresenting Mormon beliefs. Accused us of being Arians. Said we didn't believe Christ was God. Nothing could be further from the truth. It's one thing to disagree with actual beliefs. That's fair. But quite another to discredit a misrepresentation you yourself made.
Reading the Book of Mormon will help you understand how thoroughly Mormons believe Christ is God. Checking out lds.org. will help you too. Read the vision of the Father and the Son seen by Joseph Smith. See if the spirit of common sense and truth don't touch you.
Please forgive me if my earlier post mislead you. That's the problem with posting with mere mortals. Especially late into the night.
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Ironically, many people whose faiths subscribe to the triune God instinctively believe in two Gods. The triune God is counter-intuitive for many. My evangelical friends tell me how difficult the concept is for them to understand and teach.
I wish they were open to considering a different possibility.
I felt Eddie was misrepresenting Mormon beliefs. Accused us of being Arians. Said we didn't believe Christ was God. Nothing could be further from the truth. It's one thing to disagree with actual beliefs. That's fair. But quite another to discredit a misrepresentation you yourself made.
Reading the Book of Mormon will help you understand how thoroughly Mormons believe Christ is God. Checking out lds.org. will help you too. Read the vision of the Father and the Son seen by Joseph Smith. See if the spirit of common sense and truth don't touch you.
Please forgive me if my earlier post mislead you. That's the problem with posting with mere mortals. Especially late into the night.
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To my mind, the discussion of deity does not belong in this kind of forum. My religion is sacred to me, too sacred to be "debated" on a political website. I don't understand why some people are so concerned about what Mormons believe, as I am not the least bit interested in the religious beliefs of any poster on TH. What does concern me is that we elect honorable, capable and decent men/women to serve as leaders.
I am 100% Mormon. The more I learn about my faith (and I study it nearly every day), the more convinced I am of it's truth, virtue and validity. But that does not mean that I will discuss doctinal matters here on TH. It just isn't appropriate to me to speak about sacred beliefs in a format such as this. And these religious discussions are usually just anti-Mormon zealots who don't really want to know the truth about the LDS faith, they just want to bash and distort it. There is nothing gained.
I am thankful for any religion that bears good fruit. That is the test, and I think the LDS faith is doing so to a remarkable degree.
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Maybe I misspoke or you misunderstood. No way do Mormons believe in the traditional triune God of the creeds. I invite you to study the history of Nicea. Check out the Encyclopedia Britannica, which should be a neutral source. In the fight about the nature of Jesus,...was he 100% God or a demi-God, Constantine demanded the emissaries come up with something they could agree on. In the opinion of many scholars, they arrived at a vague mish-mash to which no one could object.
The EB states that little did they know they had come up with a totally new doctrine which would require a "convoluted, tortured defense" for centuries to come.
Mormons believe it was revealed that God the Father and God the Son are two separate Gods. I understand that the stumbling block for understanding the nature of the Father and the Son stems in part from Deut. 6:4: "Hear, O Israel: the Lord our God is one Lord."
We could parse the words God and Lord, but still the monotheism of the OT presents a problem. How can monotheists accept two separate Gods? Or three, if you include God, the Holy Ghost? But they are what they actually are. Truth is truth.
The OT says nothing of a Father and a Son. However, Genesis does speak in terms "Gods"... plural.
A common sense reading of the NT demands we believe God the Father and God the Son are two separate beings. "Let this cup pass from me." "Abba, Father" "God forgive them..." Stephen seeing Christ sitting on the right hand of God. On and on.
The Bible clobbers us over the head with the truth we are talking about two separate beings. Two separate Gods, God the Father and God the Son. United as one in purpose, doctrine, etc., but still separate.
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Condolezza Rice has been in my thoughts for Vice President. I know Michael Medved thinks, 1. that is "too transparent," and 2. she has been linked to the misguided policy toward Israel.
First, her education and experience in international relations speak volumes. It helps that she speaks 7 languages and is a concert pianist. She is a woman among women.
Second, she is following Bush policy, regardless of her personal views and feelings, so the Israel issue is not as important as her great experience with the leaders of the world (such as they are).
I think that she would give more years to her country if prevailed upon, even though she wants to settle down. I know the traveling must be hard for anyone.
I think well enough of John McCain, that he would seek her expertise. That remains to be seen about him.
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Hugh, when you whitewashed/covered up/lied about Romney's illegal actions as governor you made your choice. Instead of serving God and telling the truth, you took part in the Big Lie.
Why don't you go back to writing about Boeing/Airbus boring economic stories. People no longer trust you on matters of the law/constitutionalism or serious political matters.
You cashed in your street cred many months ago Hugh. And you were mighty arrogant to your listeners in the process.
you compromised the truth Hugh. And for what? An opportunity to be Mitt's press secretary or something?
Was it really worth it Hugh to lose your reputation over a scam artist like Mitt Romney? |
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As liberal as McCain is he never:
lied about the law, the Constitution and the Goodridge opinion in order to pro-actively and illegally institute "sodomy-based marriage" -- totally unbidden by the court (NOT ONLY NOT EXPLICITLY UNBIDDEN, BUT NOT EVEN IMPLICITLY BIDDEN --THE JUDGES HAD NOT THE FAINTEST CLUE SLICK WILLARD WOULD RESCUE THEM AFTER LEGISLATORS FAILED TO COMPLY!!!), violating his solemn oath in God's Holy Name, and trashing wide swaths of the single best Constitution in the world for opposing judicial tyranny and removing the tyrants? http://www.massresistance.org/docs/marriage/romney/dec_let ter/letter.pdf
Established abortion on demand as a "healthcare benefit" at $50 a pop as part of his govt mandated/govt run healthcare plan -- and then have the nerve to boast the every time a bill crossed his desk "I came down on the side of life" ? http://www.mass.gov/Qhic/docs/cc_benefits1220_pt234.pdf
Hugh, if you are following things, McCain actually needs to pick a CONSERVATIVE you idiot not a Massachusetts Limosuine Liberal.
Do you have any idea how absurd you sound continuing to suck up and shill for this souless zombie better known as Mitt Zombie?
Lay off the Kool Aid Hugh. Not good for what is left of your radio career.
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I get it now. Sorry to spoil your fun bashing Huck. (Even if he is an easy target).
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You and Eddie are out in the tall grass, attempting to explain Mormon Doctrine to Mormons. You just plain have it wrong. When you ignorantly deign to disparage the beliefs of another religion, you run a serious risk of bearing false witness...a capital offense in the OT. Not sure you guys want to go there.
Let me help you out. Mormons believe in the 100% divinity of Jesus Christ, equal to God the Father, but worshipping and obeying the Father.
How you came up with any other conclusion is mystifying. Before you go around bearing false witness, humbly and prayerfully go on lds.org. Check out the areas speaking of Jesus Christ.
No, Mormons do not believe in the triune God of Nicea. We do not believe the councils and creeds to be inspired of God. We believe in the Father and the Son of the Bible and as revealed by God himself.
I trust you guys will take advantage of the opportunity to learn for yourselves from an unpolluted source. You will no doubt find much with which you can agree.
God bless you in your search for truth. |
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you might want to take a good look at who is now working with the McCain campaign - Romney' staff. Coincidence? I think not. |
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Romney couldn't win his virtual home state of New hampshire. McCain has that one under control there Mr. Rocket Scientist.
McCain needs to select an authentic conservatives not the founding father of same sex marriage, socialist healthcare, and 50 dollar co pay abortions who is a pathological liar...kind of like you Hugh.
Hugh, didn't I tell you to lay off the Kool Aid. Enough with the Romney for VP shilling Hugh.
Gregg Jackson already put that one to bed Hugh with his rebuttal to your fellow out of touch GOP elite buddy Mr. Inside the Beltway Fred Barnes. http://www.townhall.com/columnists/GreggJackson/2008/03/19 /mccain_must_resist_increasingly_surreal_hubris_of_gop_elit es?page=1
Now lay off the Romney Kool Aid Hugh. He lost. We don't want him as President and we don't want him as VP. In fact we don't want either one of you anywhere near the Oval Office. |
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Then you also know that we believe that the Godhead is three distinct persons: God the father (Heavenly Father), Jesus Christ and the Holy Ghost. I clebrated Easter yesterday. You know, the one where Christ died to atone for us? Oh, and here's the really crazy part: I beleve that after three days, he rose from the dead and lives today! Wow, how wierd is that doctrine?
Can you even begin to explain to me who Christ was praying to in the garden, just prior to his death? Himself? |
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Stop telling people what you think Mormons believe. Guess what? You're wrong. You don't know what you're talking about, and you have drawn the wrong conclusion. This forum is not the place for the discussion.
It's not hard to figure out that Huckabee is indeed a bigot, Fabious. Just open your eyes.
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for VP. I'm just saying that Huck would be a hard pill for most Mormons to swallow. My main concern is that he doesn't get a seat at the GOP table - ever. It's hard to resist setting the Huckster's supporters straight, but it's obviously a waste of time.
one hot minute - I'm not worrying myself sick about Huck, and I have come around to the fact that McCain, as unacceptable as he is, is better than the alternative, with or without Romney - precisely because our troops need the best CIC possible, and America needs the best chance at succeeding with the WOT. I've always believed that and said so. So stop worrying yourself sick about qweenmum and me. We are a-okay!
We're just really really enjoy rubbing in how ridiculous the Huckster is. |
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If the shoes fit, he needs to wear them. Sorry, but he IS a bigot. maybe you ought to learn the actual doctrine in context?
New concpt.
Hey, how about Them Romney staffers who have very recently joined the McCain team? Humm? |
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Mitt is the Energizer Bunny. Did you see the home videos? He can't sit still. Has to be accomplishing something every minute. A great quality in a POTUS.
But as VP, can you imagine him sitting around twiddling his thumbs, waiting for Mac to fall over?
I know Mitt says that he "comes down on the side of life," but goodness. Who could say he wouldn't hasten Mac's demise, just to have something to do? |
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Thanks for trying set Poor Eddie straight. Poor baby. The Bible does say we should have compassion for the feebleminded. |
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We are selecting a VP here. Romney would be a good choice. He is similar to the first George Bush. A practical guy without deep convictions who challenged the main nominee, but played nice at the end.
It is often a good idea to give the vanquished foe a place on the ticket. And McCain know Romnet doesn't have such strong convictions that he won't be a good support player, especially on economic issues.
Frankly Huck is just not in the right party. Strangely enough Democrats seem to accept radical biblical talk as long as it is from a Democrat. At the core the Repubs are about the right to think what you want to think. Too much gospel in politics is just weird. |
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You are right. Huck will not be VP so cool your jets, Queen and PC (even tho I sympathize with your feelings.)
I repeat myself: Whomever Mac chooses for VP, suck it up, take it for the team and get behind the ticket. We do not want BHO or HRC.
Gotta keep your eye on the ball.
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QueenMum/PC,
McCain will not select Huckabee to be VP, so stop worrying yourselves sick about something that won't come to fruition.
In the real world, religious bigotry exists.
However, just because some nutty evangelicals don't like your religion, it is no reason to spite the country in November by bequeathing the White House to a left-wing radical such as Barry Obama.
Keep in mind, our nation is at war with people who dislike you MUCH MORE than some of Huckabee's constituents do.
While some of the nutty evangelicals will pass out stupid flyers questioning Joseph Smith or they'll take silly potshots at you from behind the anonymity of a computer in their Aunt Martha's basement, Islamic Jihadists would cheerfully cut your head off if given the opportunity.
And an Obama Administration will appease them at every turn.
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1. Mormons don't need Romney to vote for McCainm but the Huck the bigot would sink McCain for Mormons.
2. Romney earned simultaneous business and law degrees from Harvard with honors.
3. The Mormon faith is most definitely pro-life and pro-marriage. Duh.
4. Romney is for overturning Roe sending it back to the states and then working for the Human Life Amendment. Romney also valiantly fought for a federal marriage amendment, uring congress to pass it. (McCain voted no.)
5. Romney was an excellent governor and balanced the budget without raising taxes. Huck rasied 500 mil in new taxes which he was profoundly grateful for and called it "hope".
6. Romney exposed Huck and McCain's records, but never attacked them personally. Both Huck and McCain got personal and nasty about Romney, and both lied about his record.
7. No informed voter chose Romney? What about all of talk radio? Seems like they are pretty informed. Ditto for CPAC leaders.
8. Mormons are not ashamed of the doctrine that God created all of us, including Satan, and we are all brothers and sisters.
9. Mormons believe in the divinity of Jesus Christ, Another duh.
10. People think Romney would be an asset on the economy because he had stunning business success in the actual economy, as opposed to some men who have never done anything in the private sector, and have been on the public dole their entire lives. Or men who depend on passing the plate.
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One more thing: Whenever either of the Mormons in the top twelve tries to out-sing me, by definition, they are engaging in negative singing. I hope voters reject their vicious attacks and vote for me.” Huckabee said. At the end of the interview, almost as an afterthought, Huckabee asked, innocently, “Hey, don’t Mormons,” he paused, “believe singing brings glory to Satan, whom they worship?”
Update: Since our exclusive interview with Mike Huckabee, his surrogate, Charles “Chuck” Norris, has attacked David Archuleta as “too old” for the job of American Idol. Norris asserts that, based on the way past American Idols have aged under the stress of the prize, the 16 year-old Archuleta would be 84 by the time his first record goes platinum.
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One supporter added, “If Romney took the White House, it would make his religion look legitimate and everybody would want to join his church, just like how I’m pretty sure lots of people became Methodists after George W. Bush got elected in 2000.”
Huckabee admits he does not know much about singing, but argues he knew nothing about foreign policy, tax policy, immigration policy, or really anything except how to play the bass guitar when he began his campaign for president in 2006.
“I’m sure I’ll learn how as I go along” Huckabee said about the ins and outs of the singing competition, “the important thing is, I need to give the voters a choice. I want them to know I am the Christian Singer running for American Idol, and that they won’t find that in David Archuleta or Brooke White.”
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HOPE, ARKANSAS — Last Thursday night, America chose its top 12 finalists on Fox’s hit show, “American Idol.” On Friday, former presidential candidate and erstwhile Baptist preacher, Mike Huckabee announced he would campaign to win the nation’s biggest singing competition. Despite the initial shock among the entertainment elite at the politician’s decision, Huckabee has a lot of support among his base of Evangelical Christians. They see two Mormons among the top twelve contestants, and clamor, “Who can stop them?”
“Naturally, I thought of Mike Huckabee,” said one Idol fan from rural Kansas. “He’s the one who can step in and stop these Satan-worshipers from winning and legitimizing their cult....’cause that’s what it is, a cult!” Many in the Evangelical community revere Mike Huckabee for his surge in the Republican primaries, and credit his “Huckaboom” with derailing the campaign of a Mormon, Mitt Romney.
One supporter added, “If Romney took the White House, it would make his religion look legitimate and everybody would want to join his church, just like how I’m pretty sure lots of people became Methodists after George W. Bush got elected in 2000.”
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Romney knows about economics? Ummm. I think because he's been a total sucess in the business world, who's speciality was pulling companies out of BK, and making them profitable again. Yea, he had to cut some fat out, but he has the midas touch when it comes to turning business' around. He took the SLC Olympics, where were mired in debt, and turned those around, and for the first time, the olympics made a profit for the host city. They guy is a genius. Ok, he's rich now, because of this brains and talents.
What's huck done? Nada. Bill clinton proved that anyone can become gov of arkansas, and maybe even president. Does not mean they have the braincells, or the ethics to do so.
And Eddie, were you aware that Mitt has dispatched his fundraising arms over to the McCain Camp? That's an EXCELLENT sign. Maybe, McCain is just adult enough to put the past campaign away for the sake of the country. I'm not so sure huck is as classy. |
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I think Mitt Romney would be an excellent choice for running mate. Either him or the Governor of Florida or even Texas. Or, McCain might wait till the Democrats nominate and pick someone from the area that that person excelled in the Democrat primaries. Overall, he has to include the right wing of the party or he's gone. |
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And you'll find something amazeing. People who differ from mitt on the religion issue, but support him for president/vice president. It just shows me that not everyone in your narrow view of the world is as biggoted as you are.
Oh, try this website too.
Evangalicalsformitt.com
unitethegop.com |
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I'm LDS, and I don't hate huck. I think he's a bigot, like you, but other than that, I have to admit that even Huck and I are spirit brothers ans sisters.
Dang, life sometimes sucks.
And can you explain Hucks' education? Nada. He even flunked out of god school. They have what? one book? Dumb as they come, if you ask me.
Now, back to Mitt. Yes, he has a law degree. He's never practiced law. While he was getting his ivy league law degree, he got (at the same time) his masters in business. I think man to man, he's head and shoulders above the huck. |
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Romney knows anything about economics? |
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also taught that Jesus was not divine. So, the Mormon's coming up with such a teaching is nothing new. In fact, denying Jesus is divine is the earliest heresy concerning Jesus. Ultimately, it was the reason He was crucified. Those who crucified Him did not believe he was divine either. |
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because he let people know that Mormons teach that Jesus is Satan's older spirit brother. Why they are so ashamed of that teaching they have not explained. |
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were those who recognized his name after he spent 100 million dollars. No informed voter cast a vote for him. Basically the Romney campaign provided the datae necessary to determine how many people vote based on TV commercials. |
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a true Romney believer, you can tell by how easily he calls people names and attacks their character. Just like Romney, PC and Mitt two peas in a pod. The only difference between PC and Romney is that Romney used 100 million dollars to do his name calling and character attacks. |
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to attract Mormons it must make Romney VP? Talk about identity politics. Although, it is true Mormons were supporting Mitt at about the same level blacks support BHO.
By the way, when did Mitt get his education as an economist? I thought he was a lawyer.
Also, if McCain has, oh, maybe another 100 million dollars he could afford to buy votes at the rate Romney paid for his measly 30%.
Some of these Mormons are pretty funny, still rejecting Huck. The Mormon religion is not pro-life and it is not pro-marriage. Why do you think Romney would not support pro-life or marriage protection constitutional amendments.
And then they keep talking about his economic expertise as Massachusetts slowly goes bankrupt because of his ingenious health insurance plan.
It is not suprising that Mormons are subject to enough cognitive dissonance to think anyone besides country club Republicans would vote for Romney.
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Thank you for saying it so well. |
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OK, then. Cough up with the name of the true, honest-to-goodness, Founding Father type conservative that has good cross-over appeal and has good chemistry with Mack. One who would make a credible POTUS, just in case.
Like Gord was quick to point out to me, if we had that person, we might have chosen him for our nominee instead of Mack.
Maybe if it weren't for the short-sighted, clueless people that wouldn't vote for a Mormon, we might not be having this conversation. Excuse me, but that segment of the so-called "Christian community" are just a bunch of ignoramuses who are hurting the country with their nutty bias.
I hope you stand up to them every chance you get and tell them so. Just like Barack should have stood up to his wrong-headed pastor! |
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Romney and Huck evenly split the evangelical vote. Even when Huck was still in, he could not catch Romney in the delegate count, mainly because he was no more conservative than McCain.
Huck has been exposed as a liberal, a liar, and a charlatan. He will never have a spot in the GOP after the shabby and embarrassing campaign he ran. Thank Heaven, he's finished forever.
Pawlenty is not conservative enough to bring in those votes. I've heard him speak, I'm not impressed with his record or his manner. |
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Maybe there is a lot of concern for YOU as a Christian, I don't know, but evangelicals voted for Romney in pretty good numbers. Sure there is a small number of bigots who will never open their hearts to Romney, but by now, I doubt it is enough to make a difference.
Romney proved his integrity and his conservative creds by the time he dropped out. At CPAC he was embraced as the next leader of the conservative movement. He is going to work hard for conservative candidates and help build the GOP grassroots. By the time he's finished he will be the frontrunner at the next opportunity for the GOP, and he will help the party come back strong. He is the most qualified man to run in decades. |
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Romney can't help McCain where it counts. He doesn't excite the evangelical voters. I am for Huckabee as my first choice and Governor Tim Pawlenty of Minnesota as my second choice. (I explained my reasoning on my blog.) |
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Romneys only value, politically speaking was against McCain, because compared to McCain he looked like a conservative.
He wont do McCain any good as the veep because alot of conservatives don't actually buy that Romney is a true conservative.
He will also drive some Christians away that might be willing to vote for McCain because he is a Mormon. I know there is alot of concern in the Christian community about it.
McCain is going to have to find a true, honest to goodness, founding fathers type conservative before I will consider voting for him, and Romney wont do it. |
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For me, McCain is still unpalatable, but it comes down to giving our troops the best commander-in-chief possible, and giving America the best opportunity to succeed in the WOT.
The alternative is Hillary or Obama who will wreak havoc with EVERYTHING, including gun rights. |
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Keene is second VP of the NRA, and will be pres in 3 years or so.
http://www.newsmax.com/kessler/keene_endorses_romney/2007/1 1/29/53324.html
I didn't say he speaks for the NRA, but indicated that if Romney were hostile to gun rights, Keene would not have endorsed him.
When Romney said he was endorsed by the NRA - he simply mis-spoke and immediately corrected himself. (You try going under the fire of Russert without a slip-up.) I think he was simply remembering that he worked with the NRA on the Mass legislation and that it had the NRA blessing. |
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Although my hubby is a golfer, not a hunter. We believe in the importance of the freedom to protect ourselves and our family. Both our dads were in the military, and my dad was also an avid hunter.
I saw the Meet the Press with Romney - in my opinion he didn't take both sides at all. I just happen to believe that he is trustworthy on this and all the other issues important to conservatives.
Could he be better on guns? Yes, but he is certainly not hostile. Is there anyone else out there who is better overall for VP? No. |
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David Keene is not a VP of the NRA, he only sits on their board of directors. And your implication that he speaks for the NRA is duplicitous at best, just like Romney's claim that he received an NRA endorsement when he did not.
Neither the NRA nor the GOA has made an endorsement in this race. I would not be surprised if they sat this one out, to the detriment of all. |
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answered my question. Why should gun owners feel motivated to vote for a Republican Presidential candidate who is ambivalent to their rights and a VP who is hostile to them? |
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Not that it matters, but I wonder if you really see things from my perspective or not. I wonder if you worry that someday the Complete Gun Ban will be enacted and you will worry about the ATF blowing your door off its hinges.
Regardless, if you think Romney is a 9 out of 10 on the 2A, you haven't been watching him on Meet the Press. He took both sides of the AWB issue within months of being asked, and this cuts to the core issue with him. He is not trustworthy on certain critical issues. I'm not asking for perfection, I'm merely asking for consistency.
And if you think that just because the NRA endorses a candidate that they are a safe bet, you are sorely mistaken. Guns are going to be a top legislative issue in the next Congress, and putting up candidates who are soft on guns or hostile to them will not endear the party with gun owners, who Bill Clinton blamed in large part for the 1994 victory. |
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David Keene (VP NRA, soon pres.) enthusiastically endorsed Romney, so he obviously represents no threat to gun rights. |
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Come on, Qween - Huck has a lot of fine qualities. He can steal furniture and register for fake "wedding" gifts with the best of them. (You know, those other folks from Hope.) He's a very funny guy, according to the press. Just for kicks, he likes to shoot his gun over reporters heads, go on SNL, and just generally suck up to folks like McCain, Pastor Wright, bigots, etc.
Give the poor ridiculous man a break! I mean, after all, if it weren't for his dirty tricks, we might not have our wonderful nominee.
Thanks Iowa! Thanks Huck! |
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To my mind, Romney is a 9 out of 10 on the 2nd amendment, and it's not a hot issue right now anyway. What I said was that Romney is no more anti-gun than anyone else who ran. Asking for perfection in every issue isn't going to happen. |
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sorry, it's over for your guy, with a big OVER. He's not the best campaign, he's stupid as a rock, and a bigot at that. With huck, McCain is guarenteed to lose the entire western US States. That would include, but not limited to: Utah, CO, NM, AZ, CA, ID, MT, WY, OR, WA and MI. Your guy huck brings in diddley squato. Yea, he can fry squirell, but can he do much else? Nope.
Live with your rose colored glasses. But huck is gonzo. FYI, Even after dropping out a full month prior to huck, mitt still got more votes and electoral votes than Huck. Bye Bye. |
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I want an M1 Abrams tank in my driveway. That will deter any burglar, because I will blow him to smitherines he second he tries anything. I'm not voting for any politician who favors any gun control measures that prevent tank ownership for all Americans!!!!
(See how ridiculuous that sounds????)
Why then throw a fit over Romney's ban on military assault weapons? I can still protect my home with a shotgun or a 9 mm Beretta...I just can't do it with an uzi, an AK-47, an AR-15, or with armor-piercing bullets.
If you really think those kinds of weapons should be legal and unrestricted so that any whacko can have them, then you don't represent any significant voter pool that can affect any election. |
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That is what McCain must choose in his VP choice along with the strong possibility that his running mate can deliver at least one pr more states with high electoral votes. Since the Dems have already chosen either a black or woman for their choice, it will be no benefit to the Reps by attempting to match the Dems by going for either a black or a woman, since by doing so they may lose more support than they gain by seeming to be a johnny-come-lately. This particularly true if Obama is the Dem's candidate, since it has already been well demonstrated that blacks will vote for black Dems, but not for black Reps. By the same token, it would be foolish to select Mitt, since his Mormonism has already proved to be a major negative. I know what the Constitution says about a person's religion, but that is a restraint on government action, including governmental prohibition of a person's right to hold office based on religion, and not on persons' rights to vote their own choice even if their decision is based on bigotry. |
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I don't care who he picks as VP.
The only way I'll vote for him, is if he picks a Conservative and then commits a slow and painful suicide. |
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I don't care who he picks as VP.
The only way I'll vote for him, is if he picks a Conservative and then commits a slow and painful suicide. |
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Mac might not have to choose Mitt for VP to get the MoVote as long as he shows Romney the respect he deserves and makes a place for him at the table.
However, with Huck as VP, Mac will lose the Mormon Vote, for sure. Mac, it is believed, was part of some of the anti-Mo dirty tricks. His mother made a ridiculous and gratuitous insult about Mitt, Mormons and the Olympics. Mac treated Mitt with obvious contempt and lied about him in the eyes of most people.
So, Mac already has a MoProblem.
Compounding it by choosing Huck as VP would be the last straw. Utah, Idaho and a bunch of other western states could easily go for O. |
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PC, I don't care what the legislature and the 'public' (really just the biased perception of them through the polls) thought of the Massachusetts AWB. I don't care that the NRA worked on it with him. I care that law-abiding citizens were deprived of the tools necessary for self-defense.
I'm surprised you think that such deprivation counts as a conservative value, worthy of putting Romney in the VP slot. So let me ask you a question: which do you think is more intimidating to a home invader, a phone or an AR-15? Hint: it's not the phone.
http://www.nbc10.com/news/15655537/detail.html
"A woman was asking a 911 dispatcher for help when her pleas were interrupted by gunshots, then silence. She was shot to death." |
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I must be losing my mind cuz I tend to agree with all you guys. In real life, I truly believe all that Mitt's supporters say he is: smart, moral, honorable, accomplished and is lway ess self-serving that any other politician I can think of. The straight-thinking people who are looking out for the country can see that Mitt could be a successful leader. Ergo de facto endorsements from Rove and radio.
On the other hand, the guy seems too good to be true--and has a cautious, stiff personality. To the average voter, sadly, he does come across as fake. Rightly or wrongly, his changes hurt him. I personally think he's way less of a flipper than other people in the race, but we cannot discount public perception.
I think the people who discredit Mitt are wrong. However, I also believe that those who think Mitt can deliver for Mac are not getting into the heads of the cross-over Dems and indies.
Mac cannot win without them. We Mitt-loving conservatives need to suck it up and take it for the team until we can fix the goofy-thinking of the average voter. LOL
In the spirit of universal victimhood, we are victims of clueless voters. |
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Obama has really reached out to Mormons in UT, ID, CO, AZ, and NV - which states collectively make up about 35 electoral votes.
Mormons have consistently voted GOP time and time again...however, this year's evangelical GOP voters have beat up Romney (and Mormons in general) with unprecedented bitterness and by so doing have sent a loud & clear message..."you mormons are not welcome in the GOP."
Assuming McCain hangs on to AZ, there could still be a potential 25-electoral-vote surprise if Mormons in those states decide to flip the bird at the GOP this November. A McCain-Huck ticket increases the odds of that scenario.
Another point - Since Ohio increasingly looks like it may go blue this November...which would be a critical blow to McCain, McCain needs to counter with a running mate who has strong Ohio potential. Michigan too.
Again - like Mitt, but I don't know that Mitt is the perfect choice, but Mitt is the best possibility I have heard mentioned thus far.
To say Huck is a better choice that Mitt is just plain ridiculous. |
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McCain has alienated Mormons. That means a lot of voters in the mid-west, folks. McCain needs those guys to win.
He also needs Romney in Michigan, where Mitt won by 9 points. |
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All the way around.
Romney won conservatives, talk radio, CPAC leaders, etc. He was anything BUT self-serving, suspending his campaign for the good of the party. He ran an honorable campaign and never once got personal as did bot Huck and McCain.
He will bring home more conservatives who are unhappy with McCain, and more iffy states than anyone you can come up with.
There is a growing concensus from Bush and Rove on down that Romney is the best possible choice for McCain and for the GOP down the road. |
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Romney, seen by most conservatives and liberals, as stiff, self-serving, and, frankly, a fake, would do nothing but bring defeat to the McCain ticket. He has consistently waffled on social issues, alienating social conservatives, tore apart companies and shipped thousands of jobs overseas, and always put himself and his personal movitations ahead of what is best for this country. He cannot bring MA home for the Republicans in November, and he will send cross-over voters to the Democrats. So, I cannot see him bringing anything but defeat to the Republicans if he is added to the ticket. |
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NOTE TO ALL ROMNEY HATERS: You've got your guy McCain. Now how about letting us Romneyites have a little room in the party, too? Or are you that selfish? |
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That was going to be one of my questions to you: Watts' economic expertise. I suspect not much. However, that can be overcome by getting such experts on your team (such as Mitt).
I believe Watts connects with the peeps, which is essential in politics. You can be the best dang person in the world, but in this day and age, the people have to like you. People will like J.C. (even tho some will say the only reason he's on the ticket is to match their black guy.)
All politics is pretty much like electing an 8th grade class president these days when it comes to appealing to the average voter(whose mentality has probably is at about age 13.) That's why Obama is doing so well.
Mac has a bunch of weaknesses, but if he can seen as having built a strong team, I believe voters on both sides will get behind him.
The Dem alternatives have their vulnerabilites, but Eddie is correct. Don't underestimate Obama. Both J.C. and Huck (whom I personally disdain and has perhaps unsurmountable baggage) are personally appealing to the voters. As much as I admire Mitt, I don't see him making it happen for Mac. |
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anyone thinks Huck a serious candidate for VP. McCain need a VP who can deliver some key voters in key states.
All Huck can deliver is southern evangelicals, (who will probably still vote GOP on the sole basis of pro-life.)
Huck delivers nothing in Minnesota, Michigan, Ohio, Wisconsin, Colorado, Florida, or Virginia. Nothing. Those are the electoral states that will decide the election. If McCain wants to win - he'd better pick someone who is a favorite in those key states.
Mitt does well in MI, CO, FL, and OH - which could make the difference. It is possible that there are better VP choices than Mitt, but Huck isn't one of them.
Huck is probably THE STUPIDEST choice McCain could possibly make for VP. |
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McCain will not pick anyone who does not agree with him that surrender(amnesty) is the only option to deal with the millions of illegal aliens in our country. If it isn't Joe, it'll be Lindsay Grahamnesty. No conservatives need apply. |
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That was going to be one of my questions to you: Watts' economic expertise. I suspect not much. However, that can be overcome by getting such experts on your team (such as Mitt).
I believe Watts connects with the peeps, which is essential in politics. You can be the best dang person in the world, but in this day and age, the people have to like you. People will like J.C. (even tho some will say the only reason he's on the ticket is to match their black guy.)
All politics is pretty much like electing an 8th grade class president these days when it comes to appealing to the average voter(whose mentality has probably always been at about age 13.)
Mac's got a bunch of weaknesses, but if he can seen as having built a strong team, I believe voters on both sides will get behind him.
The Dem alternatives are very vulnerable, in my opinion. We need to press our advantage. A guy like J.C. works in getting Mac elected in ways that other guys (and gals) don't. |
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He has an uncanny ability to say nothing and sound like he is going to make the world just the way you want it to be.
Even though birds of a feather flock together, look how he has been able to persuade many people that he is not like Rev. Wright and the congregation that he has belonged to for twenty years but is instead a moderate.
His policies are closer to socialism than capitalism but when does he tout his policies and positions, never. Because he knows they are losers. He will try to make the election all about personality and presentation. If he succeeds, he will win.
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Huck is the best campaigner, the best speaker, the most experienced, has the strongest following, and has attracted the most conservatives. In addition, he is Reagan-like in his ability to attract middle-class working Americans. |
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for McCain. McCain wants to run a positive campaign. Romney does not know how to be positive.
Kemp is probably the VP nominee. |
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I like him for all of the reasons you have cited. Plus, I think even more than BO he is the post-racial candidate America has been looking for.
Gravitas and lack of state carrying ability are his two unknowns and weaknesses. He is the perfect age - 50 and an excellent speaker. It would be an awesome thing to see him as the veep nominee and HC as the dem's pres nom. The GOP would get a historic % of the black vote.
(calling the black leadership "race-hustling poverty pimps" is endearing as well)
How strong is he on the economics front? |
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The "divisive" problem is way over-blown as both Romney and McCain are adults and interested in winning.
I don't see any other VP mention as doing more for McCain than Romney would. I mean really, who? |
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Romney is no more anti-gun than any other GOP guy. He signed an assault weapons ban in Mass because the public and the legislature overwhelmingly favored it, and . . .
THE NRA worked on it with him and considered it a "net gain".
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Too divisive. Never happen. I don't pretend to know who it will be but I could not agree more that it has to be driven by an electoral map. There are a couple of States the R's need to have a chance. |
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Brain farts happen, and usually they involve lawyers such as Doug Kmiec. My own baby bro is a left-leaning GOP type lawyer. Although not supporting Obama, I would not put it past him, just for the humor of 4 years of a real bumbling fool.
Yea, Doug Kmiec's 'endrosement' really hurt (not). |
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And exactly WHO do YOU think would be good? Huckalemming, the bigot in cheif? Sorry, but I totally disagree with you. And so do Natinal Polls.
McCain is just smart enough to know that a mccain huck ticket would torpedeo ANY chance of him being POTUS for a season. Hopefully, he's smart enough to know that WITH him, he has a fighting chance. Especially when he's got someone who is so well versed on the econ as Mitt is.
Sorry, but at this time, there is no other viable candidates. I'd entertain a few, but honestly? Mitt is the ONLY one viable to help tackle the problems we are facing in our country. Get over the LDS problem you had during the primary's. Were here, and we vote too. Heck, we even run for office a time or two. |
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...to tell gun owners that they aren't welcome than to pick Gov. Romney as the running mate, unless it would be to tell Ron Paul and Mike Huckabee they aren't allowed to speak at the convention. Romney is anti-gun and McCain is ambivalent at best.
Oh, and whatever happened to the conspiracy theory that Gov. Huckabee was the one McCain had his eye on, since he had helped take down Romney so much? |
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Please do not get back to pushing Romney. We are just getting over the romniac madness and working toward uniting the party. Please, I beg you, let it go for God, County and Party. |
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I predicted it on Feb. 6th that when Hugh wakes up to the fact that Mitt would not be the nominee then he will begin to argue for him as VP. Hugh, for reasons already discussed earlier, NO THANK YOU! but just incase you forgot. Mitt is not authentic and he is a mormon (this is a fact we can't ignore). Finally, McCain and Mitt lack the necessary chemistry required of a P and VP duo to win a national election. |
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http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/convictions/archive/2008/0 3/23/endorsing-obama.aspx
That's right, Doug Kmiek, longtime prominent Republican attorney and academic, who served in two Republican administrations, has been a frequent Hewitt guest, and was most recently on the Advisory Committee of- that's right- Mitt Romney.
While Hugh was out chasing Romney-related rumors, he neglected to report the most important Romney-related event. No doubt he will try to shrug this off as an insignificant matter. But it is truly big news. |
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Well, Gord, you liked J.C. Watts. Even if he doesn't deliver any particular states per se, he's a guy's guy and a good cross-over. And conservative.
He seems like a good match with Mac. But does he have the so-called gravitas (hate that word) to be POTUS? Hmmm..... Maybe not. But he might make an interesting and attractive running mate for Mac.
Why do you like him? |
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The GOP has been looking for "some respectable, economy-savvy, conservative out there who doesn't have a lot of baggage" during the entire primary season and to date has found bupkiss. |
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My guy was Mitt. People were quick to trash him or this or that, mainly his rather stilted style, but the guy is smart, capable and honorable. Rare qualities in a politician, that for sure.
But as a match-up with Mac? Seems like the odd-couple to me. The only way that Mac can win is for a bunch of patriotic Joe Sixpacks to cross party lines and vote for the one normal person in the race.
Obama has his problems with both inexperience and now associated with Wright and his Damn American rantings. What real guy will saddle the military with Hillary as Commander-in-Chief? Maybe a woman, but not this woman, who called General Patraeus a liar to his face on the Senate floor.
I just don't see the Average Joe Dem crossing over for Mitt. Is there some respectable, economy-savvy, conservative out there who doesn't have a lot of baggage? |
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Not to get off point, Mas, but Toyota has had a lot of recalls itself, but hey, guess what? No MSM coverage. Union wages and government regulations did-in the US automakers. Freedom and creativity will trump government regulation anywhere, anytime.
I always liked Romney and was disappointed he wasn't able to gain traction, much as I was surprised at McCain's rebirth and eventual capture of the nomination. Funny about him writing the campaign finance reform law, eh? Kind of like an insider joke.
Whoever becomes the GOP VP deserves our support. Again, we must hang together! |
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JC Watts, but selecting him would violate my first rule of VP selection - he doesn't deliver any important state.
43 posts in and no clear alternative to MR has been mentioned. He could wind up being the none of the above option - like Cheney was for GWB. |
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"the all bigot team", comprised of obama, Wright, and last but certainly not least, that man, Calypso Louis Farrakhan, but hey, Dud, these black guys, they still gotta' get by the feminists, PMSing feminists, at that, juicy ain't it, chump!! |
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Connects with me. I 'get' him, more than I 'get' McCain. So, what's wrong with having a guy who's squeeky clean on the ticket? Jelous that he's made a few more nickles than you? Then work hard, and earn your own. Oh, he has a 'Mormon' problem? It's not Mitt with the mormon problem, but with the handfull who dislike mormons. I think the wheels of a Mitt Veep run is already in place. Mitts fund raisers have slipped over to McCain in recent weeks. Lot's of little 'slips' coming out about it. There's even a nice little website, unitethegop.com that is promoting it. Mitt's website is back up and running, and his kids turned down a sweet little spot as a congressman from the SLC area, and polls showed he would have easily unseated a very popular (and very right wing moderate) democrate, who's dad used to be the gov of Utah.
The stars are aligning. Mitt may be the golden second chair. |
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May the spirit of this day remain with us - lest we forget the debt that was paid in our behalf.
A word (or 10+) about why Romney brings hope to the McCain ticket.
Energy. Health. Focus. Experience. Balance. Integrity. Values. Skills. Optimism. Patriotism. Service. Knowledge. Courage. Depth. Wisdom. Patience. Steadiness. Poise. Calmness. Education. Success. Improvement.
and Team builder. Peace maker. Problem solver. Data analyzer. Economic expert. Long-range planner. Servant of his country.
He came from a family system, grandparents and parents, who were used to giving back to society. He is willing to roll up his sleeves, work long hours, and assist as a candidate and as a VP to make this country stronger, safer, and economically stable.
Let's draft Mitt and build a grass roots support to make it easy for McCain to select him (for us).
Again, a peaceful Easter day to all - no matter your faith. |
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Obviously, McCain's been very lucky on the road to the nomination. Now, we'll find out how smart he really is. Will he be smart and pick the best person available as his V.P.(Romney), or will he continue to be a hardheaded old coot, and choose someone else just to spite Romney? |
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Mitt brings nothing, zip, nada, zero to the ticket. In fact he would cost votes. I do not know who the perfect VP is but it is not the Mittbott. Can't you guys let him go off to his private island and retire or do charity or something.... I dread another horrible Mitt run in 2012 or 2016
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The Great White Male Hope team |
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We DO want such a man. We want him for PRESIDENT. We DO NOT want McCain no matter who he picks for VP. It's not complicated. McCain should be running on the Democratic party ticket. |
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Why would you NOT want McCain to nominate the smartest guy available? He is the one:
with unmatched leadership experience,
with the most organized campaign and best fundraising apparatus,
with NO SKELETONS and the highest honor and integrity,
conservatives really wanted,
who has the best combination of energy and talent,
who can probably deliver Michigan, and help A LOT in many western states,
He is the one whose stunning success in business and government make him the best prepared to help McCain with the economy, healthcare and more.
Not to mention that Romney is now more well-known than any other names mentioned for VP.
Romney was the one that won the hearts of conservatives at CPAC because he was the most qualified man to run for president in decades. And yes, he was also the most conservative.
Why would you not want such a man? |
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According to Newsmax:
"MoveOn.org, Rock the Vote, Acorn, National Council of La Raza, Women's Voices Women Vote Action Fund, and the AFL-CIO announced plans for a $350 million initiative for the 2008 elections at the Take Back America conference in Washington, D.C., sponsored by the liberal Campaign for America's Future."
This is part of the report that these groups plan to throw $350 million into the Dem campaign. So despite La Raza having a prominent player handling McCain's Hispanic outreach efforts in the upper tier of McCain's campaign staff, they are throwing their money to defeat the very the architect of the amnesty bill? What does La Raza know that the RINOs don't? |
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It would bring many conservatives on board (like me) to vote and to donate. Sure, Romney is better off staying pure for a later run - hitching his wagon to McCain's star is fraught with trouble, but he is a man who wants to contribute and honestly believes he can make a difference. (He can and will if McCain lets him.)There isn't anyone McCain can choose who has as many positives as Romney. It is becoming the general concensus from Bush and Rove on down to many pundits, and McCain is surely feeling the pressure.
I don't think McCain's distaste for Romney is that big a deal, but McCain's maverick tendancies may keep him from doing what is best for the party as it has so many times.
McCain also knows that Romney would outshine him, and that talk radio and the majority of conservatives favor him. Will McCain's love of America, or his ego win out? I sure hope he is the partriot we think he is.
McCain can win without Romney, but Romney would surely make his election more likely.
Aslo, for those of you who are chiding Hugh - this is the FIRST thing he's written about Romney in well over a month, and I'm glad to see it. |
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Yes, Sen. McCain does care about what I and thousands of us think. We won't be voting, unless he has a solid and ready to take it over veep. McCain already has Mitts money train roaring for him. Now, he just needs to make the formal announcement.
Many of us have already told McCain, we will be watching his choice for veep, and will vote 3rd party, if we don't like it. After all, the guy is 71. |
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The Dems would love it. Mr. "don't know much about the economy" nominates Mr. "See nothing, hear nothing, do nothing" for VP. The only thing that would lessen the anchor effect to the ticket is that no one knows who Chris Cox is, a blank canvas for the Dems to paint on. |
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I'd love it. It would be a serious choice and one that would emphasize The Maverick's propensity for doing what he thought was right versus what everyone wants him to do. |
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As Chairman of the SEC, he shares responsibility for the subprime lending fiasco weighing heavily on the global economy. The accounting profession answers to the SEC yet under Cox' tenure, the SEC looked the other way as these off balance sheet items avoided disclosure. This clearly violated the disclosure rule requiring that all material items be disclosed in the financial statements. It violated the materiality rule because these investments were clearly material otherwise they would not be taking down our banking system. They violated the conservative principle (anticipate no gain and provide for all potential losses) because...well... isnt' it obvious? And the Fed, Treasury and SEC has yet to force the banks to disclose their exposures by bringing these toxic investments onto their balance sheets. Why would anyone want Cox as VP? Oh yeah, the same people who feel that "open borders, global warming, big government, civil rights for terrorists, John McCain deserves to be president. This is one craptacular election and it is still an eternity until November. |
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If Ole John did not hate Mitt so much, maybe. But, I would lean against Mitt being chosen. So who does that leave? Chris Cox is not a bad choice but not exactly a household name as SEC chief. John Kasich could be OK and could help in the MW and would not offend the South. Barbour would be fine except that he has said No. JC Watts and or Mike Steele would be risky but interesting choices. So would Kay Bailey Hutchinson but then you have two white hairs on the ticked. Tim just doesn't work out for the same reason as Cox. My guess is McCain goes with a MWesterner like John K. If he goes the southern route, Sessions, DeMint could be surprise choices. |
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By running a lame campaign and quitting before the convention. Reagan went right into the convention against a PRESIDENT and made a brilliant speech that left no doubt the the GOP had selected the wrong candidate. For Mitt to now run with McCain compounds his problems further by reducing him to being the GOP's John Edwards. McCain is going to lose no matter who is in the VP slot and if enough conservatives and disaffected Dems vote third party, there won't be a mandate so it won't matter who wins. |
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--------Rebirth of the car business?
Well, let's just say it--it's absurd. What's the latest? Ford recalled a quarter of a million cars and Buick recalled more than a million. Why? Because American car-makers make very bad, even absurdly bad products.-----
It's hardly absurd. Secondly, you make the recall sound like everyone will be getting a new car. You go to the dealer and they change the recalled part for free.
----If Mitt is truly good on the economy, he'd say to Detroit--"Your future is in your own hands. Build a better car, make it last, give it a 10 year, 100K mile warranty--like all your competitors do, bust the unions, create a good product. And Detroit will turn around."----
To an extent I agree. But there are other issues like Japan subsidizing its automakers while limiting American imports. |
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of Romney, by any means, but he is a good choice for VP. It gives strong cover for McCain on the economy, brings some youth and energy to the ticket and new administration, and gives McCain a tested campaigner to send out and counter the Hill/Bill or Obama/Whoever upcoming tag team. And then, the next time he ran for President, I MIGHT consider voting for Romney. |
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this movie - StopLoss - is a travesty - anti-war almost to the point of sedition - is opening this week.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0489281/trailers-me60616958 |
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Mcain and his democrat staff will never call on Mitt. Mcains is running on the more war open border platform. The Libs who run him hate Romney . Whoever gramps handlers like will get the nod . They are not bright enough to choose a young dynamic heir to the throne . Looks like as i thought all along , Lieberman , Slingblade or some unknown party hack. Spend your time and effort on the house and senate . No matter who wins this laughfest , they will be lame duck from the git go . |
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Why didn't we put him at the top of the ticket? I supported Romney but putting him on the ticket as VP will not make me vote Republican any more were the Clippers to hire Bill Russell make me a Clipper fan. You have to stand for something and the only thing the GOP stands for is the same special interests as the Democrats. The only issue not resolved in this election is the name of president who will execute the same platform. That is why I am voting third party. For lack of issues to discuss, once again the race is reduced to both sides predicting global destruction if the other party's candidate wins. There is no difference between the parties. One is as dumb as the other. |
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...just like the old man. Mitt wouldn't be a bad choice for McCain, although you'd think there is someone who could bring more to the ticket. Romney would be a perfect foil for the renewed discussion on faith and politics--now that the JFK rules are no longer in effect. |
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I can't stand McCain. I am voting for Obama with enthusiasm because of how much he pisses me off with his amnesty and nation building agenda.
I hope he picks Lieberman or Giuliani or another left-wing cook like himself so that there is no risk of pulling the 10-20% of the right who refuse to vote for him. |
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any good to "campaign" for the Mittster as McCain's VEEP.
Newsflash: John McCain doesn't CARE what you think, or what Hugh Hewitt thinks, or what I think, about his choice.
In case you're not aware - McCain's the guy who won the nomination, taking your prissy Mitt to the woodshed and tanning his behind, fair and square.
So John McCain, and nobody else, gets to choose who his running mate will be.
All the campaigning and the threats to stay home if he doesn't pick your fave - just like all those other threats to stay home in November if your fave didn't win the nomination - are empty gestures and will make no difference whatsoever to McCain.
McCain is now campaigning as a proud conservative Republican (lifetime ACU rating of 82 - if Mitt Romney ever manages to get elected to the Senate from MA, I doubt sincerely he'd ever generate an ACU rating much above 50).
John McCain doesn't need what Mitt is selling.
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The VP has to have some KEY state as his coattail IMO. Cox does not. Mitt's do not have a sure-thing. Tangential relations to Mich aren't enough and Mass is a long-shot by most people's estimation - including HH's. |
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because they're clearly causing him/her to hallucinate .. Romney can't even deliver his own home state of MA to the GOP, let alone any other single state mentioned in his/her hallucinatory roll call of states.
Romney was the Dems' dream GOP candidate this year ... they were clearly hoping against hope that the GOP would be dumb enough to nominate him. They were most frightened of all of either McCain or Rudy.
Rudy isn't going to be MeCain's VEEP, even though he would probably draw the most Dems and independents. The problem with Rudy is he would not strengthen McCain with southern conservatives. And of course, neither would the prissy MA Romney and his fake-conservative conversion story.
Pubs who would actually be able to deliver states to the GOP are unlikely in any event. Nobody is going to deliver CA to the Pubs, nor NY. TX is solid red state country no matter what. Crist might deliver my state of FL to McCain, but McCain already polls fairly well here, and Crist is not conservative enough to help McCain with the southern conservatives in the Party.
Really, no other Pub is going to deliver, on their own, a single state to the GOP. The best a VEEP can do for McCain is to help him with the southern conservatives.
The best candidate that I can see helping McCain in that regard would have to be MS Gov Haley Barbour, who has solid southern conservative creds, great ties with the Washington establishment (former RNC chair), and excellent executive accomplishments (i.e., he performed well during and after Katrina).
Barbour would bring far more to the GOP ticket than would Romney.
But again, I don't have any hot lines to McCain's brain. He may have someone in mind nobody else has ever even mentioned.
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Newsflash. McCain aint exactly a conservative either!
McCain/Romney 08 |
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this guy won't contribute anything to a McCain ticket. he's not a conservative, and he won't magically convert MA to a red state. but i guess he'll bring a lot of consultants
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