Friday, June 15, 2007
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Memo To Senator Lott
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Posted by:
Hugh Hewitt at
12:58 AM
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Is Senator Lott on the DNC payroll? From today's WaPo:
"I'm sure senators on both sides of the aisle are being pounded by these talk-radio people who don't even know what's in the bill," Lott said. He added that the "leadership will have to be prepared to do what needs to be done."
I will invite Senator Lott on the program next week to discuss what is in the bill and the amendment package. I suspect he will decline, but you never know.
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NOTE TO SENATOR LOTT:
**TODAY, I NOTED YOU WERE SUPPORTING PASSAGE OF THIS BILL !!.
I CAN NOT BELIEVE YOU ARE INVOLVED IN AN EFFORT TO PUSH THIS WELFARE
BILL! DO YOU NOT CARE THAT U.S. CITIZENS DO NOT WANT THIS BILL ??
WHY ARE YOU SCREWING THE TAXPAYERS? WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM ?
YOU ARE COMPLICIT IN THIS REWARD TO ILLEGALS & AGAINST THE
CITIZENS OF THIS COUNTRY… IF THIS BILL PASSES, KNOW YOU WILL HAVE MADE
THE DEMOCRATS (& YUK KENNEDY) AND MEXICO VERY HAPPY! AND THE
PEOPLE, YOU PRETEND TO SERVE, VERY UNHAPPY. POLITICS ABOVE THE
PEOPLE. YOU HAVE FORGOTTEN WHO YOU SERVE.
NOW YOU DO NOT WANT TO HEAR ABOUT THIS FROM TALK RADIO ! OR THE
CITIZENS ON THIS.???
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Get pass your feelings that Lott would challenge talk radio's knowledge of what is in the immigration bill. Put your ego aside. Lott seems to be aware of what is beyond the immigration bill. The immigration bill is only the tip of the iceberg. Lott knows what talk radio wants and so do you. There are several people on talk radio who loves to give President Bush and the Republicans advice on how to run the war in Iraq, the immigration issue, and his leadership. This goes for you and the others who have taken the first step after the November elections on becoming a party unto yourselves. It's not about being Conservative, Republican, or Christian Right. It's totally about you and the others on talk radio who have been bashing President Bush and the Republicans as much as the Democrats do. I see talk radio has learned well from the Democrats on how to make the American people hate President Bush as much as they do. To think, all it took for you and the others to turn on President Bush and the Republicans, was a fence that must be built in your eyes before any discussion can be done by either party. I have seen a side of you self appointed so call Conservatives which I thought I would ever see in the Republican party. You and the others in talk radio are no more Conservative then Nancy Pelosi is. You use the word Conservative the same way Ahmadinejad uses those words for peaceful purposes. It seems talk radio is in competition with Nancy Pelosi in seeing who can control President Bush. I have heard from several talk show host that President Bush is doing this for his legacy. Why don't you tell the American people when and where has President Bush ever cared about things like polls, the critics, and his legacy. There seems to be a lot of things talk radio have learned well from the Democrats. I can't tell the difference anymore in the attacks I hear coming from the Democrats and those in talk radio on President Bush and the Republicans. If talk radio wants power so bad run for office. |
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Hugh may, but most talk show hosts have no idea what's in the bill. And 98% of all of the bloggers are just parrots of the same ignorance. |
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How about "We the People Party", as in We the people, in order to form a more perfect union! |
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Or The American Party. The Federalist Party. Maybe The Citizens Party. The other 2 are not representing the citizens. |
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the new political party we so obviously need to form.....? |
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The Senators are always hoping that the firestorm will "blow over".
Then they do things like what Lott did today, throwing gasoline on the fire.
Frankly, it wouldn't blow over even if they stopped their incendiary activities, but for them to light the fuse and then expect quiet is really out of touch with reality. |
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“You have sat too long for any good you have been doing. Depart, I say, and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go!”
[ht: Oliver Cromwell] |
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Trent Lott says we listen to too much talk radio. Hmmm...wonder why talk radio is so successful? Could it be that the majority of the hosts are telling us the truth? Could it be that we would rather trust a talk radio host than one of our members in the Congress?
2 to 3 hours we hear from our favorite talk show hosts (outside of airamerica, and Howard Stern), about every facet of our lives, political, religious, current events. And they take the time to parse out the logic with every topic using surgeon like procedures that we rarely disagree with.
Even CFR protectionists like Michael Medved sometimes get it right, uses logic on most topics, and on disagreement day, and conspiracy day, it is interesting that he fillets his prepaid (oops did I say prepaid? oh well--its entertaining anyway) nut jobs that we can all see are still wearing tin hats.
Hugh Hewitt, Glenn Beck, Dennis Prager, Tammy Bruce, Mark Levin, Michael Savage, Rush Limbaugh, Laura Ingraham, Dennis Miller, Matt Drudge and several dozen others all bring us the same topics that we identify with, and bring a little different viewpoint to give us a bigger picture that we cannot get from any other news source.
I would think that if Senator Lott had listened carefully to what people are saying on those talk shows, he would not have done or said some of the things he has. And he certainly has not attempted to read any of the bloggers here on townhall that also see the big picture.
He will only see the little picture, one that includes his new voting community emerge from illegality in 5-8 years after they 'might' decide to become legal citizens. Meanwhile, they are given amnesty that overlooks a new forged Z-visa, forged SS#, to get a new drivers license, buy a new car and house with their new credit given by their new bank account at B of A. Then they'll laugh at us when we ask them to return to their country of birth for two years while applying for citizenship. Reapply, reapply, reapply...
And after we see enough REAL IDs pass through the system with a retina scan, with 128 bit forged program using the same names hundreds of times over, Senator Lott will realize he was wrong. And when the jihadists get to deny their affiliation with al Qaida to become Z-Visa'd in 24 hours, then we'll see what happens with the Senator's career'...send in the clowns, there already here...'
Let's keep our borders open and your career will be even shorter.
You think we got it wrong Senator? |
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I sincerely doubt any immigration plan the Bush Administration ever was involved with was the least bit genuine.
After all, we know Bush doesn't want our borders enforced. He has fought against enforcing our borders ever since he took office.
And Orecon, your point is excellent. Any enforcement in this bill isn't worth the paper it's written on.
But the fact is, what this bill really is about is sabotaging our immigration system. The open-borders politicians can see that the public is demanding our laws be enforced, and there are efforts at all levels including state and local to do that.
The open-borders folks know their time is running out. If they cannot destroy what's left of our immigration system soon, we will before long have an orderly immigration system that respects the law.
That is what is so perverse about this. They are trying to sell this bill as a compromise providing enforcement in exchange for amnesty, but the actual truth is what it provides is the destruction of enforcement in exchange for amnesty.
And that is the most ridiculous "compromise" I have ever seen in my life. |
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What difference does it make to know what is in the bill? The Democrat majority congressional leadership has no intent to fund and enforce any of the bill provisions that they don't like! Where is the portion of the fence that has already been approved and signed by the President? Nowhere - just like the $5000 fine for illegal immigrants will be nowhere!! Read the Rasmussen polls, Senator, and you will know that the American people believe talk show hosts more than elite Congressional "leaders" who have brought us the unworkable system we have now! |
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It's almost ancient history now, but the administration's original plan -- before it caved to Kennedy -- was actually workable. It said (1) there must be real genuine triggers before anybody gets any new immigration benefit -- in other words, no everlasting "probationary" visas granted unless and until we have real success at the border etc; (2) that there is a real genuine workplace enforcement system that utilizes an electronic check, a secure I.D. and measures to defeat fake and stolen identifications; and (3) a program to allow new visas that can only apply when the first 2 criteria are actually in place. This plan recognized that the only way to truly end the current massive flow of illegal immigration is to make it impossible for illegals to work in the U.S. And that is indeed the only way.
So what happenned? Increasingly, the type of people who would have held the line from the White House have left (all the conservatives are now gone, except from one WH office -- guess which) so the WH found it easy to compromise with Kennedy. Almost nobody in the WH has actually read the bill, and if they did, they wouldn't understand it anyways.
maybe the new "give away the crown jewel document" crowd in the WH counsel's office could understand it, but geez, they are busy turning over more executive pivileged documents (That accomodation strategy has gone well, hasn't it!) DOJ staff isn't in the loop anymore on immigration because they are too uppity on these conservative "enforcement" issues and DHS just salutes and takes orders -- there are stealth liberals there too, although the Secretary is good.
Anyways, the WH has lost its bearings, fallen off the beam etc. They don't know what's actually in the bill or how it would work in real life. Sad. |
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I meant to say, "more likely than not, it gets killed in the House." |
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Let's can it with the defeatism, shall we.
I would rate it about a 10% chance that the immigration bill actually gets signed into law.
If the Senate passes it, I rate it a 20% chance.
More likely than not, it gets killed in the Senate.
By my estimate, there are at most about 170-190 votes in the House for amnesty.
Yes, if the political tide was in George Bush's favor there could be some arm twisting and bump that up to a winning margin.
But the wind is blowing against Bush, not in favor of him.
How many Democrats in Congress from rural, small town, and suburban districts from states like Ohio, Pennsylvania, Missouri, etc are going to vote for amnesty?
Not very damn many in my opinion.
And what if the legislation does get signed into law?
Well then we keep fighting. We throw the amnesty people out of Congress in 2008, and we start to repair the wreckage their legislation caused. |
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And another thing about money:
Senators seem to be seduced by the money of corporations that want open borders.
But there are some counterveiling factors:
1). Cheap labor is not the only priority of business. I think a lot of businesses have very different priorities on what sort of policies they want to promote through their campaign contributions.
2). Nobody contributes to a loser. Corporations that want cheap labor may like a candidate like McCain, but once he has become identified as "a loser" they don't contribute anymore no matter how much they like his policies.
3). Business money actually helps fight the open-borders lobby in some avenues. John and Ken Show are adamant anti illegal immigration, yet advertisers flock to their radio station. Why? Because they have a huge audience. The only business that is not going to spend money advertising on a popular media outlet because of immigration politics will be a small fringe of open borders yahoo corporations. It's not a hot button issue for most businesses. |
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I think people need to stop worrying about whether the Republican Party can raise money.
It's all the better if they can't.
The people refusing to contribute to the Republican Party because of its open-borders stance: Are they not going to still contribute money to those candidates that are on their side?
It seems to me that the drying up of funds to the Republican Party simply means that money that would have gone to the Party will now go to the real Republicans like Jeff Sessions.
That's all to the good in my view.
Just because the party stops being able to raise much money, I don't think that means Republicans will lose in 2008. It just means that the campaign money goes into different channels. |
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It would take them time to destroy talk radio.
But the new Congress elected in Nov 2008 will include a number of new people who got there with the help of talk radio.
The anti-free speech crowd won't be able to hang onto power long enough to shut down independent media. |
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Enough already about whether passing this bill helps Republicans or Democrats.
The actual situation is:
1). Any politician with their fingerprints on this legislation, Republican or Democrat, will be hurt by it.
The only possible exception is in a few left wing places like San Francisco it may not hurt a politician.
Any politician that opposes this legislation will be helped.
Thus the consequence for the 2008 elections:
Pro borders candidates of either party will do better, open-borders candidates will do worse.
2). The further the bill gets, the more pronounced the effect of 1) will be in the 2008 elections. If this bill actually got so far as to be signed into law, there would be an electoral bloodbath of open-borders incumbents (of both parties) in 2008.
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I believe that Trent Lott has already forgot what got him to Congress. If it wasnt for talk radio the Conservatives would never have been heard of or elected. If they take away talk radio the REPS/CONSERVATIVES are done. They certainly dont think that FOX NEWS on the tube will last long if they remove talk radio from the air. The TV media is DEM controlled. |
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Hugh I know you are busy, but is there anything in McCain Feingold that would prevent Town Hall from creating a family of special issue 527s.
I think that each key issue needs it's own 527.
Some Town Hall people like Medheads may not want money they gave to a general 527 to go against immigration reform.
It is much wiser to have a family of 527s that address specific issues and that clearly signal what position they will take. That way folks who donate know what their money will be used for.
In the growth of the Conservative/Republican right roots movement this transfer of financial power from the party elites to the movement is just as essential and mandatory as the development of the Heritage foundation and other think tanks under Reagan.
Further, the communication capability and the financing capability have to be joined at some level formally or informally. That is the area of McCain Feingold that I do not know about.
That fiendish bill has done more to insulate incumbents from the wishes of the people than any bill in recent history.
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We need an a shadow RNC that is committed to the aggressive recruitment of conservative candidates for the House and Senate. Priority recruitment effort should be placed on finding conservative challengers against:
1) Freshman Dems in Congress from Republican districts
2) Republican incumbents who back the McCain-Kennedy Shamnesty bill, especially McCain, Lindsey Graham, and Trent Lott (Lott won't be up for re-election for 5 years though: he wanted to retire in '06 but was pressured to run in a failed attempt to retain GOP control of the Senate: result -- GOP minority with more RINO representation
3) Other RINOs who facilitate the expansion of the federal buraucracy and who are unwilling to do anything about pork barrel spending.
It would be interesting to see how long it takes for the shadow RNC to overtake the official RNC in fund raising and party influence. |
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Laura Ingram's list'o wafflers
Call em all! Call em now!!! Call em often!!!
202-224-____
Alexander R-TN 4944
Bennett R-UT 5444
Cochran R-MS 5054
Coleman R-MN 5641
Collins R-ME 2523
Cornyn R-TX 2934
Craig R-ID 2752
Domenici R-NM 6621
Gregg R-NH 3324
Hatch R-UT 5251
Hutchison R-TX 5922
Kyl R-AZ 4521
Lott R-MS 6253
McConnell R-KY 2541
Murkowski R-AK 6665
Smith R-OR 3753
Snowe R-ME 5344
Stevens R-AK 3004
Warner R-VA 2023
KILL THE BILL!!! SECURE THE BORDERS! ENFORCE OUR LAWS!!!!!
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From a practical point of view the 527s need to be connected to the media arm of the Conservative Movement to be effective. That is why TownHall needs to take the lead on this.
We have weak uncoordinated 527s but they are not that effective. There has to be the ability to reach voters effectively and raise money efficiently by an entity that voters trust.
It becomes a 3rd party that can pick and choose which candidates and issues it will support or appose with in the party. That takes power away from the money elites and give it to the foot soldiers. Town Hall' existence depends on listeners. They are much more responsive to the voters than than backroom elite good ole boy dealers.
This is the only way that I can see where the Party becomes responsive to the people who vote instead of the insulated organizational hierarchy. |
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Thanks for the info. I had no idea. |
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I am so sick and tired of Congress that I have been forced do something, so I have founded Voter Imposed Term Limits. The American people must be made to understand that they control Congress not the other way around.
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We do not need a Constitutional Amendment to limit the terms members of Congress can serve. All American Citizens have that power in their vote. Voter Imposed Term Limits will educate the American Voter to wield this power judicially and with great effect.
The Congress of today is pure theater. No reality, all smoke and mirrors for the audience. The only part that is real is the total dedication to REELECTION. The job is so great no one wants to give it up. Power corrupts and they have absolute power over our lives.
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The really nice thing about Voter Imposed Term Limits is that we can do it without the need to even ask Congress for anything.
I believe that a new Unwritten Rule is taking shape in the mind of the American voter, be they Democrat or Republican, simply put it goes something like “6 YEARS AND OUT”.
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Founder and Director
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We all know it to be true in politics in the USA.
Face it, the people have no voice until 'the people' give more money to the 'enlightened' elitesintheirmind rulers than does big business.
An immigration bill will be passed whether we like it or not. Big business will see to it.
America as we know it is over.
However, there is a way to focus the attention of the establishment back on America.
However, nobody yet has the guts to take the first step.
One last thought. We are $59 trillion in debt. Interest on our debt accrues at $1.b billion per day. |
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These eye opening and very very revealing words & actions about our President who visited Mexico and his pal Vicente Fox in February 2001 before 911 and discussed Immigration Issues with. President Dubya started his Presidency with this issue and will end it with this. I found this on WhiteHouse.gov site linked below. Good Stuff don't you think. Next time hit Tony Snow-job with this point. Book Ends for the Bush 43 Administration!
Francis
posted here for your readers if you like
Remarks by President George W. Bush and President Vicente Fox of Mexico in Joint Press Conference
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/02/20010216-3.html
Rancho San Cristobal
San Cristobal, Mexico February 16, 2001
President Bush with Presidente Vicente Fox:
It's a great honor to come to Mexico as this important nation enjoys a new birth of freedom, signaled by President Fox's election. Our meetings today have been a really good opportunity to renew our personal friendship and the friendship between Mexico and the United States.
Mexico is the first foreign country I have visited as President, and I intended it to be that way. Our nations are bound together by ties of history, family, values, commerce and culture. Today, these ties give us an unprecedented opportunity. We have a chance to build a partnership that will improve the lives of citizens in both countries.
PRESIDENT FOX:
If I understood correctly, we're going to take questions in Spanish for the Mexican press, and some questions in English for the American press. So we'll go first to the women first, and here we'll take the Spanish question first.
Q I have two questions, one for the President of Mexico. We've spoken about new agreements and a new path on migration issues. What has been the advancements on the two topics as you -- you're campaign to open the border for the free transit of people and to have the free trade agreement in the same way that the European Community has done it?
You talked to President Bush about the amnesty, about the illegal aliens in the United States. I have a question for President Bush. What is the message that you want to send right now, what does the United States want to send to the world as a message with the new bombing of Iraq? And, above all, why, Mr. Bush, at this point, when you are establishing a dialogue with the President of Mexico? Why? Is this a beginning of a new war?
PRESIDENT FOX: Actually, we discussed amply the migration issues that we have. But this is not a meeting in which decisions or details are going to be reached, because they do not belong in the power of -- the executive power, as such, because they have to have the participation of other groups.
We have spoken on migration from the viewpoint of our countrymen that are in the United States, and we have spoken about the possibilities of working on agreements of temporary legal work and employment. We have spoken on the firm idea that we have of fighting violence against immigrants, and to work based on the law, and to see how the coyotes and all the people that will be taking these people -- or the polleros taking our illegal workers into U.S. territory.
We have spoken of a long-term vision and approach and constructive approach on this topic. And perhaps here, the most important thing will be presented by President Bush later on. But certainly there is a new attitude, there is a new way of approaching things, much more positive approach to things on this issue of migration.
The conclusion has been to create a commission at the highest level, as it was read in the Guanajuato Proposal, to begin and to discuss and to advance on this topic on very concrete steps. I believe this is a great advancement on what we had before.
The President's Nephew, George P. Bush "likened the soon-to-be Republican presidential nominee and Uncle to Cesar Chavez," the Los Angeles Times reported in 2000. http://www.laprensa-sandiego.org/archieve/august04/ufw.htm
“This is a President who represents the diversity of our society, who we can count on to change the Republican Party to represent our views.’" … He told the rally his mother had instilled him the values of Cesar Chavez, the Chicano activist who fought for the rights of migrant farmworkers in the United States. ‘She told me we have to fight for our race, we have to find the leaders who represent us," he said in fluent Spanish.’
George P. Bush
Son of Jeb Bush and and Mexican Mother
Speaking in fluent Spanish while campaigning for President Bush
Reuters, August 2, 2000
Then President George W. Bush delivered a major address in Miami on Aug. 25, 2000 a major address on U.S.-Latin American relations, in which he unveiled his a view of America. You could say a "New World Order"
From World Net Daily http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=16425
We are now one of the largest Spanish-speaking nations in the world. We're a major source of Latin music, journalism and culture.
Just go to Miami, or San Antonio, Los Angeles, Chicago or West New York, New Jersey ... and close your eyes and listen. You could just as easily be in Santo Domingo or Santiago, or San Miguel de Allende.
For years our nation has debated this change -- some have praised it and others have resented it. By nominating me(Dubya), my party has made a choice to welcome the new America.
From USA Today 2004:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/nation/president/2004-08-20-bush-nephew_x.htm
George P. Bush is the grandson of migrant worker Jose Maria Garnica, who separated from his wife and still lives in Mexico.
Bush nephew campaigns in Mexico
MEXICO CITY (AP) — President Bush's young, Hispanic nephew and his bride are on the campaign trail — in Mexico, where they are joining the increasingly vigorous battle for the votes of 1 million U.S. citizens living south of the border.
President Bush's nephew George P. Bush, the son of Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, speaks Friday at a Mexico City Press Conference by Jaime Puebla, AP
From Michelle Malkin
http://michellemalkin.com/archives/000426.htm and the
Guardian http://www.guardian.co.uk/uselections2004/story/0,13918,1293981,00.html
Bush's Nephew, George P. criticizes Armed Border Guards:
MEXICO CITY (AP) - President Bush's nephew, campaigning for overseas votes in Mexico on Saturday, called the federal policy of arming U.S. Border Patrol agents with plastic pellet guns ``reprehensible.''
Speaking in a mix of English and sometimes-halting Spanish, George P. Bush said his uncle was not to blame for the gun policy, which has angered Mexicans. He instead blamed it on ``some local INS (Immigration and Naturalization Service) guy who's trying to be tough, act macho.''
``If there has been American approval for this policy, that is reprehensible,'' Bush said of the guns, essentially paintball projectiles filled with chile powder. ``It's kind of barbarous.''
These pellet guns were approved at the federal level and had been used on a trial basis since 2002. Our U.S. Border Patrol fired the pepper-balls in 81 instances in 2002-03 and reported no deaths or severe injuries...
http://newstandardnews.net/content/index.cfm/items/967
The problem is that George P. Bush's mother's family, is originally from Mexico. The Politician to be be is no longer working as a Lawyer, but like his Father is hoping to make his millions in real estate. He left the prominent law firm in Dallas and now works for the real estate investment firm Charter Holdings
http://www.mensvogue.com/business/articles/2006/08/21/bush?currentPage=1(see "The Heir Apparent"). Additionally young George said in Mexico that the war in Iraq is not popular in Mexico but defended the military action, saying "we're almost done with it.''
He also acknowledged that "there are some people in our (Republican) party who don't see the benefits of immigration," then promised that "President Bush was a proponent of immigration reform!"
Here is a nice article on what I believe is another factor in President Dubya's big immigration push which stated by the Brits in their Guardian in 04 "He's young, good looking, and Hispanic - could he be the next George Bush in the White House?"
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uselections2004/story/0,13918,1293981,00.html
Florida Gov. Bush Calls Tone of Immigration Debate `Hurtful'
"My wife came here legally, but it hurts her just as it hurts me when people give the perception that all immigrants are bad," the Florida governor wrote in an e-mail exchange with The Times.
Accusing politicians of "pounding their chests" on immigration for short-term political gain, Florida Gov. Jeb Bush said Tuesday that the tone of the debate had been "hurtful" to him and his Mexican-born wife, Columba.
"The cumulative effect of some politicians pounding their chests about immigration is hurtful to both of us," he wrote, referring to himself and his brother. "I fear they do so for current political gain at the expense of thoughtful policy over the long term."
"Columba and I watch the news early in the morning and in the evenings," Bush wrote in the late-night e-mail exchange. "The cumulative effect of the coverage is that immigrants are bad and hurting our country. The coverage is black and white, good and bad, without the nuances that the coverage deserves."
In his e-mail, Gov. Bush endorsed the idea of a broad guest-worker program encompassing the kinds of low-wage workers sought by farms and factories as well as high-tech professionals from places such as India.
Like his brother, he offered no specificity on how to treat current immigrants and whether they should be granted a path to citizenship.
"The focus should be on protecting our borders rather than these piling on provisions that are punitive to many who have made a great contribution to our country," he wrote. "Along with that, the focus should be on a guest worker program and a means to deal with the millions of long term undocumented workers….
Then Jeb and Mehlman write this Op-Ed in May 2007:
A Good Immigration Bill WSJ http://online.wsj.com/article/SB118057904673319633.html?mod=opinion&ojcontent=otep
Immigration reform is very tough. It's an issue that divides both political parties and, on the right, has led many close personal and ideological friends -- people we respect and whose criticism we take seriously -- to oppose new rules governing how people enter this country and how we handle those who are here illegally. But we hope our friends reconsider.
We support the immigration reform compromise worked out in the Senate for a few simple reasons. It strengthens our national defense. It makes our economy more competitive and flexible. It enhances the rule of law and promotes national unity. ...
Our current President Bush position on immigration is outlined in the
Washington Times:
http://washingtontimes.com/national/20070530-121310-7472r.htm
Mr. Bush said the plan would require all of the estimated 12 million to 20 million illegal aliens to come forward and register with the government, pay a "meaningful fine," and pay any back taxes, before applying for a Z visa.
"Amnesty is forgiveness for being here without any penalties. ... This bill is not an amnesty bill. If you want to scare the American people, what you say is, 'The bill's an amnesty bill,' " Mr. Bush said. "That's empty political rhetoric trying to frighten our fellow citizens."
Mr. Bush denounced those who are "out there hollerin' and saying, 'Kick 'em out,' " saying such an approach "is simply unrealistic. It won't work."
Mr. Bush said that in a non-election year, "Congress has a historic window to act" on the immigration issue. He repeatedly framed the debate as a battle between courage and fear.
"It takes a lot of courage in the face of some of the criticism in the political world to do what's right, not what's comfortable. And what's right is to fix this system now before it's too late," the president said.
The Immigration issue is the way President Bush gave birth to his Administration with Vicente Fox in 2001 and it is the issue he wants to end his Administration 8 years later. Nice book ends to his Presidency as Commander in Chief Bush. Mr. President I am not impressed...indeed I am disappointed Sir. I guess Family before country. If a Jihadists comes across our Southern Border your beloved nephew will never have a chance at the Oval. If you want your boy to be Presidente some day BUILT a Wall, Sir!
Thanks all posted at http://www.PowderTracks.blogspot.com
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Why do you think Senator Lott was is in favor of Immigration. He is trying to make up for the Strum Thurmond comment about Dixiecrats and it having offended another big Minority Group. Well he will not offend Hispanics on this one and has his filibuster to prove it! Hugh, his is an Animal House food fight over who will get the Hispanic vote pure and simple.
I'm getting ill over President Bush's insistance on becoming a Kennedy staffer on Imigration. Why do he do this? I think I know What makes President Bush Tick? First and Foremost Bush is loyal to his Family. I always wondered about the Iraq war and thought he should have invaded, the 800 gorilla, Iran instead of Iraq becuz Iran is the root of the fundamentalist Islamic problem since the fall of the Shah. He went after Iraq becuz Saddam wanted to kill his father 41 and Iraq was an easier target. Then, he is for Immigration becuz Jeb's wife is Mexican and his Children are half Mexican. The base hates this Immigration Issue but Bush pushes ahead regardless of what we want. Hispanics are the future voting block he seeks and his Nephew will run for President some day!
See this article and you'll know why Bush is the way he on immigration and then facter in his family. http://www.hispaniconline.com/magazine/1999/oct/Features/swaying.html. Here is another article at Hispanic Online http://www.hispaniconline.com/trends/2004/aug/politics/index.html
Dominus Vobiscum
Francisco Javier a son of legal Hispanics Immigrants who had to go back home to get a Green Card issued and 3 of their kids were American Born. My wife is Hispanic too of Legals so don't Accuse me of being a Bigot. I am an American First! I have the run down on the real story with sources at http://www.PowderTracks.blogspot.com |
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@Reed: 'obtuse and illogical' -- Bingo! The Stupid Party rides again and Sen Lott is leading the way. I have no idea, why they think, that politically, they absolutely need this bill. As I see it, this bill has already cost 2 GOP US Senators their political careers. McCain is dead candidate walking. His nerve processes are so slow, he doesn't know he's dead yet. And Chuck Hagel has a credible primary opponent, who already leads. My guess, Hagel bails to run with Bloomberg on a third party ticket. |
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Thanks for the tough love there. I am glad your 72 year old mom is happy with her coverage, but in Louisiana most of the damage was from flooding (and local, state, and federal government incompetence). In Mississippi, where Katrina made primary landfall, the damage was realted to hurricane force winds. State Farm was arguing 100% of the losses were from the surge, even though the winds came first and often blew the roofs and windows out of the buildings. Depsite that evidence--State Farm and other insurers tried to weasel out of any responsibility. Here's a suggestion--State Farm should not sell "hurricane" insurance and then refuse to even consider losses were caused by high winds (as oppossed to the surge). Because when they do that, it is called bad faith. The settlement made sense.
Now don't get me started on building codes and setbacks from the beach. I agree that building on the sand is a huge mistake. But in this case the devestation went back in some cases two miles from the sand, so it was an unusual event--which guess what should be insured. |
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cmoore, I agree that Lott should debate this bill on air.
Quotes from Lott from this NYT article, Senate Leaders Agree to Revive Immigration Bill, were equally disgusting and chilling:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/15/washington/15immig.html?hp
"The Republican whip, Trent Lott of Mississippi, who supports the bill, said: “Talk radio is running America. We have to deal with that problem.”
At some point, Mr. Lott said, Senate Republican leaders may try to rein in “younger guys who are huffing and puffing against the bill.”"
Hugh, please ask him exactly what he means by saying we're going to have to deal with that problem!
Why is it a problem? Because talk radio hosts are opposing you? How exactly are they running America?
Are you ready to throw out the 1st Amendment?
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"State Farm settled because the damage was not clearly outside the policy."
My 72 year old mother in Louisiana had a State Farm policy and clearly understood it DID NOT cover rising water regardless of the reason the water rose.
Vacant Lott DID NOT have federal flood insurance and CLAIMED he didn't know it was necessary on a BEACHFRONT HOME. He's a liar OR a moron. Take your pick.
"The problem is the federal insurance does not exceed $250K."
Well here's a suggestion. If you can't insure it, don't build it. And if you insist on building it anyway and its destroyed don't be a whiner and expect someone else to bail you out. |
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Jim Forsyth, WOAI radio (San Antonio), May 16, 2007
Figures obtained by 1200 WOAI news shows 303 illegals successfully registered to vote, and at least 41 cast ballots in various elections.
Bexar County Elections Administrator Jackie Callanan confirmed the figures, but she says a new form of voter registration card, which requires people to swear they are citizens when they register, should help cut the problem, because people who vote illegally can be charged with perjury.
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Senator If you feel opposition to the bill on immigration has been largely done by certain talk show hosts with a shallow understanding of the bill, I urge you to back up your statement and accept an invitation to appear on a show. Debate it point by point on the air.
This is also the perfect opportunity to touch base with your constiuanents by talking calls from them as well.
This is the perfect opportunity to “show up”. My feeling it that everyone on the hill needs to listen to the people they represent. I respectfully have to say Senator if your not interested in legislating according to the will of the people and instead just do whatever you want, then you my as well just turn off your phone and shut this email down then go ahead do whatever you want.
Instead why not show up “on the air” and defend this bill on the points in controversy and sell this to your voters. If instead you stay at arms length making speeches and lobbing talking points—your credibility on this will suffer. Show up and defend it point by point. I for one don’t believe any politician on any point if he or she is not willing to go the rounds in public debate. Its pretty clear if you believe in it you will show up, anything less demonstrates to me you know you cannot sell a fatally flawed piece of legislation. Please remember Senator this is not about you; this is about your constituents.
I fear Republicans who choose to stay distant this way will be out of a job the next time around.
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can cast a spell on a group of former GOP conservatives, and anything good come out of it! This bill has to die, and GWB needs to finish out his Presidentcy sitting in the oval office watching old westerns on TV!............The WORLD GLOBALIST are now bribing with such large sums of money that political careers are irelevant to these senators. |
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Lots of people in Mississippi had hurricane insurance. They also had federal flood insurance. The problem is the federal insurance does not exceed $250K. The "hurricane" insurance does not cover floods, even though the storm surge was caused by the hurricane's winds. Katrina hit with high winds first (losses from which are covered) followed by the surge. Yet all the insurance companies put 100% of the loss on the surge and ignored the wind part. 1000s of Mississipians found out that despite paying insurance premiums for years, they did not have enough coverage to pay off their mortgages, let alone rebuild.
State Farm settled because the damage was not clearly outside the policy.
I suspect if you were in that situation you would be pretty upset too. |
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Trent Lott was the buffoon so clueless as to stand up at the end of the 20th century and pine for the days of segregation and Jim Crowe in a embarrassingly ham-handed attempt to honor Senator Thurmond(SC) on his birthday.
Then a few years later after his BEACHFRONT HOME was destroyed by Hurricane Katrina, he told us he wasn't aware that federal flood insurance was necessary to fully insure his BEACHFRONT HOME. A moron or a bald-faced liar. Take your pick.
My 72 year old mother whose home on the shores of Lake Pontchartrain near New Orleans was also destroyed in the storm WAS fully aware of the need for flood insurance to be fully covered. Why wasn't Senate Minority Whip, Vacant Lott aware?
When his BEACHFRONT HOME was declared a total loss and Vacant Lott had nowhere else to turn, he and his brother-in-law, Dicky "King of Torts" Scruggs engineered a class action lawsuit against Mississippi's biggest carrier of homeowner's insurance, State Farm. Faced with all that political and legal pressure, State Farm eventually settled even though storm surge damage was clearly excluded from coverage in their policies, a fact U.S. Senator and BEACHFRONT HOMEOWNER,Vacant Lott claimed not to be aware of. Again, moron or liar? Probably both.
In the end, Lott got his money, even though he hadn't spent one dime on coverage, by sheer down and dirty politics.
Expect no less on the amnesty issue.
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can be the big winner in 2008. The Democrat voters are having nearly as hard a time swollowing this bill as we are and even the far left is wondering why their leadership is cozy with Bush over this.
I like the idea of the 527s and we badly need to grab more air and keep the ShAmnesty crowd from redefining what they are doing as something noble and just. It isn't, and it won't be hard to show this bill for what it is. 527s can fund television ads to build the kind of support that will force this administration to enforce our existing laws and secure the borders. |
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Contempt by self-apotheosizing elites(those funding "LOBBIES" undergird Senatorial Immigration Quislings)is manifest.The Oligarchs and their lackeys brazenly confront the Citizen polity.(People like Michael Medved granting illegals 15-20mm spots on his show to ingratiatingly proclaim defiance of any "Registration trigger" not PLEASEing them(!)is indign.) Branding American working people(for whom CIVIS AMERICAN SUM is still source of GRATITUDE and pride)with PC/racist scorn
sobriquet NATIVIST is spitting in the face of foundational democrats without whom this country will devolve into a decadent fool's TECHNOCRACY
(where only GLOBAL WARMING;prohibitions against SMOKING,& MSM support of anti-Christianity...comprised in homosexual agendas and continued promotion of Abortion as "civil right")are cosseted or LEGALLY defended.
RINO'S and NRC have not gotten the point.They continue their effrontery of Americans with ...as we say in Texas..."SCREW YOU and THE HORSE YOU RIDE!"policies and mentality. How else could the epicene Harry Reid get away with COPPERHEAD contempt of American Military and its leadership(Pace;Petraeus etc.).DC Metro-Homie inbreds need to wake-up before their,at best,
fecklessness is reckoned with the defiance and animus merited. Arthur McVarish, Houston
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I think maybe we should call McCain Kennedy the Open Borders Bill--isn't that what it is?
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Publicly call him afraid to come on your show and discuss the bill, specifically 601(h).
Call him the GUTLESS COWARD that he is. |
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We are well read, rational people. Not only have we read the bill, we have dissected it. We have calculated the impact on our lives, our schools, our roads, our emergency rooms. These Senators are out of touch with us, and they will pay dearly if they pass this bill.
We don't march, we are too busy working - if we do show up for an event, we fly American flags - the ones we own, not the ones the organizers give us to replace our home country flags.
I take back any nice things I said about Lott - I now believe everything the left said about him. Maybe he thinks giving Visas to criminals, pedophiles and terrorists will get him back in their good graces, but he may as well change parties if he votes for this bill. |
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Do they drug test these fine Senators?? What can Mr. Lott be thinking??? |
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I was never impressed with Lott, sort of an empty suit with a southern drawl and a slow mind.
AMNESTY is a winner in the general election, especially if the WH gets the current AMNESTY travesty through and the people see how it works. All the benefits for illegals made legal and all the bills for them. It's going to hit home after the ACLU and the courts get involved, bye bye penalties and fines. Why do you think all the top tier Presidential candidates are running form the White House on AMNESTY. It's nice to see McCain failing and running out of money. Even if he gets the money he won't get the votes.
I won't give one dime to AMNESTY Mel's RNC, until they fire that liar. Martinez just another Bush bozo along with what's his name, the incompetent AG, oh yeah, Gonzales. Before the election AMNESTY Mel campaigned on NO AMNESTY, he's had to purge his website of all his campaign speeches, google cache comes too the rescue. |
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As I mentioned yesterday, I went to Washington today.
I spoke to various Senate and Congressional staffers.
And the first thing I should relate to all of you is that the phones are NOT ringing off the hook.
They are ringing, but nearly with the frequency we're going to need to stop this bill.
So call your family members, your friends, and impress upon them the importance of making some phone calls.
Some Senate staffers were confident that the bill would fall apart, because of the recent bad blood, but also because the deal is so "fragile."
But others were much more wary, and much circumspect about predicting that the bill will fall through.
Several Democrat staffers I spoke to in the House were convinced that this bill is dead, that there's just too much to get done right now to take another chance at immigration.
So the opinions on what's going to happen to this bill were varied.
I want all of you to continue to call.
And I want all of you to draft a few letters if you can.
Lastly, I want those that can to stop by Senate and Congressional offices, and ask to speak your mind to a lead staffer, or a Legislative Assistant.
I spoke for hours today with staffers whose sole job over the last five months was immigration reform.
So it can be done.
And I'm going to drive down again next week.
I've never done anything like that.
But I'm going to do it over this bill.
Because this bill is unlike anything we've ever seen before.
The busiest office I saw today was that of Jeff Sessions.
Casey's phones were getting handled by three staffers, {the most I saw all day} and his phones were ringing off the hook.
But other offices were not getting hit with phone calls as they should be.
Additionally, don't just call Senators.
Call the RNC.
Call your State GOP. I've called every single State GOP.
And today I went to the RNC Headquarters to discuss this bill.
Since this bill is unusual, our response had better be unusual. Because business as usual isn't going to get it done. |
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Senator "Leaders" McConnell and Lott have risen to a new level of foolishness, incompetence and self important narcissism . I submit that they are worse than RINOs they are LINOs (Leaders in Name Only)!
Senator Lindsay Graham has stated what I have come to realize, but for dramatically opposed reasons. This is no longer about immigration. For me it is about grossly illogical and obtuse behavior on the part of our President, so-called Republican Leaders and the remaining members of the Gang of 14 who have concocted this "grand bargain".
After 27 years I am withdrawing from active financial and volunteer support for the RNC or any other Republican committees. The "elites" of the party clearly no longer represent my interest and I will only support individual candidates and issue oriented organizations for whom I agree. I urge all of you who read this to do the same. We need to rob the RNC and other committees (particularly any Republican Senatorial Committee) run by the "elites" of the financial clout they have with the Republicans in the Senate or House.
Citizens of all political persuations are against this bill! Only 20% want to see the bill passed into law. Why the Republican party "elites" have chosen this hill to die on, effectively ending the GOP coalition that won several congressional elections between 1994 and 2006 and two Presidential elections I will never understand.
-Reed
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Actually if this bill passes the Republican party will not be able to raise money. That makes the creation of conservative 527s all the more important.
Instead of forming a 3rd party the 527s can be used as a shadow party. The money is where the real party power is at and that can and should be shifted to special issue 527s.
I would really like to know why TownHall has not created 527s before now? |
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I have been analysing the polls. There is no question that this issue is a key wedge issue that can be used to take back the House. It is also a winner in the Presidential campaign. That is why Rudy, Romney and Thompson are breaking with the WH.
Enforcement first is a big winner. The majority of the Republicans are tired of being lied to. However, Independents really dispise this bill. Conservative Dems also hate it.
It is the 2nd most important issue in all recent polls (even the ones that sampled 10 % illegal aliens). Further, it is the only issue that energizes the base. |
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If you think immigration panic is a winning issue for Republicans, in a general election, you're nuts.
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Hugh the key thing is that you stand firm against this bill. We need this defeated. We can get a better bill later or at least parts of one. If this bill passes we will lose the 2008 election. If it is defeated we may win the Presidency and the House.
A 527 is needed very badly. Why doesn't town hall start one? The left have several effective ones. Why are the Reps so slow and behind? Money talks. If the right roots are going to have any power they are going to have to fund candidates and issues just like Kos and MyDD. |
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The Republican leadership is bankrupt. Time to clean house. |
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He's apparently getting money from some enemy of the USA... The finances of every member of the Senate ought to be gone over with a fine-toothed comb... |
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Heh heh, who am I to talk...
Hey, it's late. |
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I guarantee that Rush, Hugh Hewitt, Sean Hannity, etc. etc. etc have read more of this bill than Trent Lott. I double dog guarantee it. I would lay the title of my house on it. I may even throw my wife in. But you gotta take her dog too.
In fact, I'd lay down $20 bucks that say Lott can't read past 8th grade level as it is. |
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We need to start a 527 like the Swiftboat Vets.
Get clips of their speeches for Amnesty, transcripts from the Congressional Record... and clips of the illegals marching in the streets... Facts and figures from the Heritage Institute...
We can let the people decide this at the polls... |
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There is not a chance in hell that I'll lift one finger or give one dime to any politician that votes for McCain Kennedy 2.0. in any future election. Ever! |
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